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Election 2008

Clinton Firm's Deal Left Pennsylvania Churches in Shambles

By Sam Stein, Huffington Post. Posted April 12, 2008.


Questions arise about a scheme-gone-bad involving buying Catholic churches struggling in the wake of sex-abuse scandals for redevelopment.
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There is an old axiom of government: all politics is local.

And while the saying is clich, it can certainly prove true. How else does one explain the connection between former President Clinton, a hot shot Italian real estate speculator, and several Pennsylvania church-buying ventures that went terribly wrong?

It began in 2005, when an aide to Clinton helped a young Italian businessman named Raffaello Follieri connected with the business of the former president and his pal Ron Burkle. Follieri had an idea: to buy and redevelop old Catholic churches that were struggling in the wake of sex-abuse scandals. And Yucaipa Companies, which Burkle ran and on which Clinton served as a senior adviser to two funds, came on board.

But the scheme, while in some cases profitable, was also a house of cards. Using the Yucaipa money, Follieri purchased a Philadelphia church that he subsequently let rot. In a separate purchase in Pittsburgh, he instructed the church to be gutted of all its religious objects, then failed to come up with the money needed to finalize the deal.

Follieri's standing was soon on the rocks. In April 2007, Burkle sued the Italian in a Delaware state court for allegedly misappropriating more than $1.3 million. Follieri, he claimed, was spending the money on a lavish lifestyle, including gifts for his movie-star girlfriend Anne Hathaway (of Devil Wears Prada fame). The suit has since been settled. Last week, however, Follieri was arrested and charged with trying to pass a bad $250,000 check.

By that time, any connection between Clinton and Follieri, however tangential, had been severed. The former president began the process of leaving Yucaipa in December 2007 -- in part, The Huffington Post was told, out of anger over the Follieri mess.

But the episode illustrated some of the unique perils of Clinton's post-presidential career. Indeed, at various points in this primary season, Bill Clinton's activities have put him at contrast with his wife's presidential campaign. Take, for instance, revelations this past week that he had been paid $800,000 for speeches by an organization promoting the Colombia Free Trade Agreement -- a pact Sen. Clinton continues to oppose.

The Follieri story is similarly dicey. As Sen. Clinton campaigns across Pennsylvania, two communities in the state's largest cities have been affected by the spoiled real estate venture overseen by her husband's business. And while Bill Clinton, as his aides point out, was never directly associated with the project -- "President Clinton was not involved with the purchase of Vatican properties," said his spokesperson Jay Carson -- the former president did make out quite well during his time with Yucaipa.

According to recent tax filings, the former president earned $15.4 million from the private investment firm between 2003 and 2006. * * *

In the fall of 2005, Follieri was introduced to Yucaipa through Bill Clinton's aide and gatekeeper Doug Band. The Italian claimed he had close ties to the Vatican that he would use to buy run down churches in need of new ownership. The Wall Street Journal reported that in exchange for Clinton and Burkle's help, Follieri offered to assist Sen. Hillary Clinton with the Catholic vote. The senator was not officially running for president at the time.

Soon after their meeting, Yucaipa invested $100 million in the Follieri Group. With those funds, Follieiri quickly purchased two church properties in Philadelphia. Both structures had long been dormant. And he promised sweeping changes, including environmental restoration and structural repairs.

Virtually none of it panned out.

At the Transfiguration Church, which cost the group more than $1 million, Follieri sought to create a "cultural center" in a working class neighborhood. But within a mater of months, things went south. The group did not provide basic upkeep and security. The site became an eyesore. Burglars broke into the church and its adjoining school. A local paper found the once-stately Roman Catholic parish had become a hangout for boozing teenagers, and eventually a homeless man started camping out under the rectory porch. In April 2006, a three-alarm fire was set to the school, forcing more than 100 firefighters to work three hours to put it out. The damage was immense and neighbors grew worried and angered at Follieri's absenteeism.

Frank Quintero, a spokesman for Yucaipa, said the company "made a good profit on the properties, by putting them in hands of responsible developers." As for Transfiguration, security there was no worse than that under prior owners, he said.

"That same homeless guy was probably milling around that church before we owned it and after we owned it," said Quintero. "It's not like we are miracle workers even though Follieri claimed to be in connection with the Vatican. These things take time."

But it was only after a scathing column in the Philadelphia Daily News that Follieri's representatives agreed to meet with the Transfiguration community. They promised more attention and offered a new proposal, to make the site affordable housing. That idea, however, was met with community opposition and like the cultural center it never materialized. Follieiri eventually bowed out. According to city records, Transfiguration was sold in May 2007 for the price of $1.25 million. Currently, it houses the Boys Latin Charter School.

"They were absentee landlords who didn't keep track of what was happening or care," Chris Brennan, the reporter who broke the story of Follieri's mishandling of the church, told The Huffington Post. "When they received some bad publicity from the Daily News, they got moving."

Another Follieri Pennsylvania venture was equally disastrous. In the fall of 2006, the Follieri Group offered a bid on St. Nicholas Church in Pittsburgh, a 108-year-old building and historic city landmark. The church was a staple of the Croatian community, and in 2005, the newly formed Croatian American Cultural and Economic Alliance tried unsuccessfully to buy the building for $250,000. Their bid, observers say, fell through after Follieri promised more money.

As part of his plan for the property, Follieri had the church undergo massive internal changes. In the spring of 2007, all religious objects including the altar and statues were removed, and the murals were painted over. The community reacted with uproar.

"It is a very touchy subject. It was something that not just Croatians but many people in Pittsburgh had invested in," said Patricia Lowry, a reporter for the Pittsburgh Post Gazette who wrote about St. Nicholas's deconstruction. "People thought that the church should have found a way to sell the building to the Croatians because it was a big part of their heritage."

It was only after the church was gutted that the Follieri Group's financial problems were exposed. In May 2007, Burkle sued and it was revealed just how little cash Follieri had on hand. St. Nicholas held out hope that the deal would still go through. But by March 2008, it became clear that the money simply wasn't there.

Quintero, again, said that Yucaipa had worked to make all of its investments profitable, and that the conditions of the buildings often posed obstacles to their reconstruction.

"Some of the newspaper stuff is inaccurate," he said. "The other thing to keep in mind is that when we bought these properties, they were all dilapidated."

But local officials, at least in Pittsburgh, were nevertheless distraught over the way the transaction was handled. Years after it first bid on the church (the value of the property stayed, according to city records, at $70,200), the Croatian community is once again trying to buy ownership.

"You make all this publicity that Foliieri is buying it and then they don't," said Susan Petrick, secretary of Preserve Croatian Heritage Foundation in Pittsburgh. "They took out the pews that were non-religious. They took out the altars which were marble, they took out the statues and the confessionals…one would hope they would put them all back in, but I don't know about there intention." * * *

By the time that the St. Nicholas deal fell through, Bill Clinton had already begun the process of divesting himself from Yucaipa. Depending on how certain funds perform, he stands in line to make millions of dollars in addition to the $15.4 million he has already earned.

"Regarding the status of President Clinton's relationship with Yucaipa," explained spokesman Jay Carson, "with the Presidential campaign in full swing the President is taking steps to ensure that there is an appropriate transition for his business relationships should Senator Clinton become the Democratic nominee."

The former president was not associated with the business aspects of the Folierri investment. His involvement, to the extent that there was any, was limited to his position as a senior adviser to Yucaipa. And while he and Follieri met on several occasions -- Follieri was individually called on stage and thanked by Clinton after pledging money for a Clinton Global Initiative project in New Orleans -- the former president does meet "hundreds of people every day," as Carson told The Huffington Post. "President Clinton, who meets with many people every day, has met Follieri several times."

Nevertheless, the Follieri episode had its affects on Clinton. A source with knowledge of why he left Yucaipa said the former president was embarrassed when news of the church-buying venture broke the same morning that world and business leaders were convening to discuss Clinton's global foundation.

He was also concerned that this episode and his broader association with Yucaipa had the potential of creating bad publicity for his wife's presidential bid. And as the Pennsylvania primary approaches, it remains to be seen if those concerns were merited.

Requests for comment from Follieri and officials with the Follieri Group went unanswered. Despite having been sued and severed from Burkle's firm, the contact information on the company's website turned out to be the phone number for Yucaipa Companies.

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Sam Stein is a Political Reporter at the Huffington Post, based in Washington, D.C. Previously he has worked for Newsweek magazine, the New York Daily News and the investigative journalism group Center for Public Integrity.

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This is really getting tedious
Posted by: johnp on Apr 12, 2008 5:16 AM   
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Alternet has gotten orders, just as Huffington post has, to publish a piece or two, which slams Clinton, with every issue of ther alerts. What a dumb scam this has become. Say nothing good or fair or supportive of Clinton, and say nothing bad or adverse or uncomplimentary about Obama, and hope that nobody notices how stupid you're beginning to look.

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» RE: This is really getting tedious Posted by: mohican_nation
» RE: This is really getting tedious Posted by: thealltheone
Surprise - Surprise
Posted by: bc430 on Apr 12, 2008 5:42 AM   
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How did he leave the White House?

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Little known factoid
Posted by: B. Spoon on Apr 12, 2008 5:53 AM   
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I agree with the first comment. This article is Much Ado About Nothing.

On a related note, the U.S. taxpayers have helped the Catholic Church out quite a bit lately with a relatively "New Deal" (for it, not us). The Catholic Church was allowed to sponsor a new health insurance option for federal empoyees. These contracts are cash cows for the insurers (at taxpayers' expense). Obama loves to say how all Americans should have "access to the same health insurance options" as he and members of Congress have, then leaves out the fact that his proposed legislation for same also says "except for the way (we) are rated" (sigh).

I figured this was a deal to help the church out of its financial straights over their lawsuits, and I'm pretty sure it was a Republican led brainchild (since they were in charge at the time it was enacted). Both Clinton and Obama are no doubt aware of this fact however.

I research health coverage issues for fun in my free time.

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» RE: Little known factoid Posted by: mohican_nation
» RE: Little known factoid Posted by: B. Spoon
» RE: Little known factoid Posted by: B. Spoon
I agree this story is a BIG NOTHING!
Posted by: somegirl on Apr 12, 2008 6:40 AM   
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hey alternet, here's an idea. instead of continuing the divisive strategy of the great uniter, try working towards getting any dem elected over mcsame.

how wrongdoing by either clinton could be construed by any actions mentioned in this story are beyond me. your use of a sensational headline is reprehensible in making it sound like there was some widespread activity involving bill when it was two churches that were in shambles to begin with.

soon you'll be losing me just as kos, huff, americablog, and their ilk have.

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More of the same
Posted by: Schroeder on Apr 12, 2008 7:17 AM   
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I do find it interesting that Sam has such a fascination with the Clintons...trying to make anything they do into a corruption scandal. I've quit reading the Huffington Post because I just got sick of the crap...

If this continues on this site, I can do the same. How about some honesty in reporting? No real news? Maybe that's why Bush is driving us into the ground...there are too many people who have a voice and choose to destroy the Clintons. Give it a rest!

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» RE: More of the same Posted by: deltadancer
» RE: More of the same Posted by: Schroeder
is the point
Posted by: thealltheone on Apr 12, 2008 7:28 AM   
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starting something for the right reasons, hoping for a win win situation, then making your money and not finshing what you started? unless it was for the money in the first place? would that be taking advantage of someone else's failings, which is what America has become? Sorta like the current Mortgage crisis, the house flippers with cash are making out big right now. I have to admit, Alternet maybe pulling at straws this time. However, anything Alternet comes up with, McCain will do bigger! Better now than later. We need a Dem who can win. The Clinton's have alot to knock,if by some slim chance she gets the nomination, get used to it.

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Article a waste of time!
Posted by: HughScott on Apr 12, 2008 8:28 AM   
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When Stein wrote, "The former president was not associated with the business aspects of the Folierri investment," he, Stein, should have deleted the word-processing file and addressed something important.

One more thing.

I don't like piling on the Clintons, even though they aren't my favorite people. I say that as a FORMER Obama supporter upset with his insensitive, stereotypical statement about "bitter" small-town Americans. Sounds to me like Obama has his own bitterness to deal with.

Hugh E. Scott, Vietnam vet, ex-USAF pilot, lifelong registered Republican and the editor of www.PhonyFighterPilot.com, the only website about George W. Bush that presents irrefutable, smoking-gun proof of White House corruption.

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» I come from a BITTER SMALL TOWN Posted by: Prairie Waif
Whatever works to put an end to religion
Posted by: AsteroidMiner on Apr 12, 2008 9:33 AM   
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Religion is caused by any one or more of about half a dozen mental illnesses.
The truth about religion can be found in these books:

"The Neuropsychological bases of god beliefs" Dr. Michael A. Persinger MD,
psychiatrist 1987 "Religious people are just like my temporal lobe patients"

"The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bi-Cameral Mind" Julian
Jaynes Professor, Harvard University 1976 "Religious people are just like
schizophrenic patients"

"The Psychiatric Interview in Clinical Practice" Roger A. MacKinnon, M.D.,
Robert Michels, M.D. W. B. Saunders Co. 1971 "Religiosity is a common
symptom [of] schizophrenic patients"

"The God delusion" by Richard Dawkins. "Religion is caused by a kind of
computer virus that infects the living computer, the human brain."

"The Science of Good and Evil" by Michael Shermer, 2004 "Morality and Ethics
are now in the jurisdiction of Science and greatly improved thereby."

Many books in the new science called "Sociobiology": Morals and ethics are
instinctive and they evolved.

"God: The Failed Hypothesis" by Victor Stenger Scientific proof that god does
not exist.

"The God Part of the Brain" by Matthew Alper 1996. "The USA is anomolusly
religious because many early founder groups were religiously insane and fleeing
prosecution in Europe. Religion is a genetic disorder."

"The Accidental Mind" by David J. Linden, 2007 Belknap Press of Harvard
University Press. Religion is caused by the extreme klugeyness of the "designed"
by evolution brain. In particular, the narrative creation system cannot be turned
off. It generates false narratives that are believed by the generating person. This is
seen in experiments done in the laboratory. This book has the best explanation of
resistance to evolution: "There has also been an assumption that if one accepts the
idea that life developed without divine intervention, it necessarily follows that all
aspects of religious thought must be rejected. Those who take this line of
argument to extremes argue that when religious thought is rejected moral and
social codes will degenerate and "the law of the jungle" will be all that is left. It is
imagined by religious fundamentalists that those who do not share their particular
religious faith are incapable of leading moral lives." These suppositions are not
true many times over. Linden later mentions that the creationists [intelligent
design advocates] are exactly 180 degrees wrong rather than just a little wrong.
Being exactly wrong, they are unable to unlearn their error. See Sociobiology or
Sciobio.

"Scientists Confront Intelligent Design and Creationism" edited by Petto &
Godfrey, 2007. The ID and creationist crowd are trying to do away with science.
They see science as a "godless religion." Science is a process, not a religion.

"Manufacturing Belief" by Lewis Wolpert
http://www.salon.com/books/feature/2007/05/15/lewis_wolpert/

"The End of Faith" and "Letter to a Christian Nation" by Sam Harris

"Breaking the Spell: Religion as a Natural Phenomenon", by Daniel Dennett
Let's do scientific research on religion and find out what causes it.

"Origins of the Modern Mind" by Merlin Donald 1991 "So what did you expect
from a brain that is based on the Chimpanzee brain?

"Atheism, A Case Against God" by George Smith

"God is not Great; how religion poisons everything" by Christopher Hitchens, 2007

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The article is about the decrease in religion
Posted by: AsteroidMiner on Apr 12, 2008 9:37 AM   
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As a sophomore undergraduate student in Physics, your homework in Probability
and Statistics class may include figuring out when the second coming would be
required, assuming that the bible was 100% true in the year zero. That is, when
would the bible be down to 50% true? The popular and professors' answer in
1965 was the year 500. The true answer: A friend of mine was born and raised in
Budapest, Hungary. As an adult, he came here and stayed. After 25 years, he
visited his home town of Budapest. He was unable to communicate with his high
school classmates because the Hungarian language had changed so much. The
correct answer is less than 25 years. The first gospel was not written down until
50 years after the alleged events and then in a different language. The people who
told the story were at about the same level of civilization as "wild Indians", I mean
Native Americans before Columbus got here. We have all played or seen played
the game called "Telephone" in which a story is passed down a line of re-tellers.
By the Sixth re-telling, the story has no resemblance to the original. The gospel
story had to have been re-told at least 6 times before it was mis-translated the first
time. [Note that whoever wrote it down the first time was free to write whatever
he wanted to. The storytellers were illiterate and unable to check his written text
by reading it. Besides that, he wrote in Greek rather than Aramaic.] Conclusion:
There is no truth anywhere in the bible, and there never was. There is no way to
know what "jesus" or "mohammed" or any other such character actually said or
did.

ALL of the jurisdictions that were formerly in the jurisdiction of religion have
been taken over by Science. There is no longer a need to debate the issue.
Religion is an unfortunate side effect of having evolved from a chimpanzee-like
animal in a very brief 6 or 7 million years. "God" will not save us from the
consequences of global warming or an asteroid impact or a tornado because there
is no such critter as "god.".] Ethics and morality are instinctive, not derived from
religion. Female instinct has greater force in morality than male instinct because
the female is in command of the sexual encounter. Look up "Sociobiology". The
origin of the Universe is the subject of Cosmology which is part of astronomy
which is part of the science of physics.
Religion is a SCAM. ANY religion, there are 10,000 to choose from at any one
time. People keep inventing new religions [for the benefit of the "prophet," of
course] and forgetting other religions. ALL preachers, priests, imams, rabbis,
iatolas, etc. belong in jail for "grand theft, bunko type".

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Knit-picking the Clintons
Posted by: sallyb36 on Apr 12, 2008 11:18 AM   
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I have seeing an ongoing pattern of attacks on the Clintons. Any problem a company or an business associate has is used to blame the Clintons. We've all had friends or associates we trusted only to learn we shouldn't have and our scope of such contacts can't possibly be as broad as theirs. They are vulnerable to those who want to use their trust at every opportunity. Shame on Alternet. I have been considering canceling my subscription and will not donate funds until I see a change of such blatantly destructively-designed attacks.

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Some things don't add up.
Posted by: Longdream on Apr 12, 2008 4:27 PM   
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First of all, Church real estate doesn't belong to The Vatican, it belongs to its Diocese. The Diocese of New York, for instance, used to own about 3/5ths of Manhattan, expanding its holdings above and beyond church campuses, schools and universities to investment real estate. It's sold off some property, but it's still pretty rich. Each Diocese is pretty much a separately run company, and that's why some of them are going broke after paying judgments to victims of pedophile priests. There is no access to Vatican money, and no Vatican bail-out.

Second of all, before a church is sold, it must be deconsecrated. It would come as no surprise to the neighborhood that the church was no longer a church, but just a building. After deconsecration, unless there were plans to use the building as a church again for a different denomination, it would be appropriate to remove the trappings. So I don't understand what the public outcry was about when Transfiguration was stripped of religious articles.

Allowing the properties to fall into disrepair and become a detriment to the neighborhoods instead of a boon is another issue, and I don't understand what the developer was in contact with the Vatican about.

Something more went on there besides the simple sale of church real estate, which I've seen done in many towns and cities without problems.

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:-(
Posted by: jacksmith on Apr 12, 2008 10:11 PM   
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MY FELLOW BITTER, STUPID, WORKING CLASS PEOPLE.

YOU MIGHT BE AN IDIOT, TOO :-(

If you think like Barack Obama, that WORKING CLASS PEOPLE are just a bunch of BITTER!, STUPID, PEASANTS, Cash COWS!, and CANNON FODDER. :-(

You Might Be An Idiot, Too!

If you think Barack Obama with little or no experience would be better than Hillary Clinton with 35 years experience.

You Might Be An Idiot, Too!

If you think that Obama with no experience can fix an economy on the verge of collapse better than Hillary Clinton. Whose husband (Bill Clinton) led the greatest economic expansion, and prosperity in American history.

You Might Be An Idiot, Too!

If you think that Obama with no experience fighting for universal health care can get it for you better than Hillary Clinton. Who anticipated this current health care crisis back in 1993, and fought a pitched battle against overwhelming odds to get universal health care for all the American people.

You Might Be An Idiot, Too!

If you think that Obama with no experience can manage, and get us out of two wars better than Hillary Clinton. Whose husband (Bill Clinton) went to war only when he was convinced that he absolutely had to. Then completed the mission in record time against a nuclear power. AND DID NOT LOSE THE LIFE OF A SINGLE AMERICAN SOLDIER. NOT ONE!

You Might Be An Idiot, Too!

If you think that Obama with no experience saving the environment is better than Hillary Clinton. Whose husband (Bill Clinton) left office with the greatest amount of environmental cleanup, and protections in American history.

You Might Be An Idiot, Too!

If you think that Obama with little or no education experience is better than Hillary Clinton. Whose husband (Bill Clinton) made higher education affordable for every American. And created higher job demand and starting salary’s than they had ever been before or since.

You Might Be An Idiot, Too!

If you think that Obama with no experience will be better than Hillary Clinton who spent 8 years at the right hand of President Bill Clinton. Who is already on record as one of the greatest Presidents in American history.

You Might Be An Idiot, Too!

If you think that you can change the way Washington works with pretty speeches from Obama, rather than with the experience, and political expertise of two master politicians ON YOUR SIDE like Hillary and Bill Clinton..

You Might Be An Idiot, Too!

If you think all those Republicans voting for Obama in the Democratic primaries, and caucuses are doing so because they think he is a stronger Democratic candidate than Hillary Clinton. :-)

Best regards

jacksmith...

p.s.

If you don't know that the huge amounts of money funding the Obama campaign to try and defeat Hillary Clinton is coming in from the insurance, and medical industry, that has been ripping you off, and killing you and your children. And denying you, and your loved ones the life saving medical care you needed. All just so they can make more huge immoral profits for them-selves off of your suffering...

You Might Be An Idiot, Too!

You see, back in 1993 Hillary Clinton had the audacity, and nerve to try and get quality, affordable universal health care for everyone to prevent the suffering and needless deaths of hundreds of thousands of you each year. :-)

Approx. 100,000 of you die each year from medical accidents from a rush to profit by the insurance, and medical industry. Another 120,000 of you die each year from treatable illness that people in other developed countries don’t die from. And I could go on, and on...

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Think About It
Posted by: jacksmith on Apr 12, 2008 10:13 PM   
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DON'T BE DUPED !!!

Large numbers of Republicans have been voting for Barack Obama in the DEMOCRATIC primaries, and caucuses from early on. Because they feel he would be a weaker opponent against John McCain. With Hillary Clinton you are almost 100% certain to get quality, affordable universal health care very soon.

But first, all of you have to make certain that Hillary Clinton takes the democratic nomination and then the Whitehouse. NOW! is the time. THIS! is the moment you have all been working, and waiting for. You can do this America. “Carpe diem” (harvest the day).

I think Hillary Clinton see’s a beautiful world of plenty for all. She’s a woman, and a mother. And it’s time America. Do this for your-selves, and your children’s future. You will have to work together on this and be aggressive, relentless, and creative. Americans face an even worse catastrophe ahead than the one you are living through now.

You see, the medical and insurance industry mostly support the republicans with the money they ripped off from you. And they don’t want you to have quality, affordable universal health care. They want to be able to continue to rip you off, and kill you and your children by continuing to deny you life saving medical care that you have already paid for. So they can continue to make more immoral profits for them-selves.

Hillary Clinton has actually won by much larger margins than the vote totals showed. And lost by much smaller vote margins than the vote totals showed. Her delegate count is actually much higher than it shows. And higher than Obama’s. She also leads in the electoral college numbers that you must win to become President in the November national election. HILLARY CLINTON IS ALREADY THE TRUE DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE!

As much as 30% of Obama's primary, and caucus votes are Republicans trying to choose the weakest democratic candidate for McCain to run against. These Republicans have been gaming the caucuses where it is easier to vote cheat. This is why Obama has not been able to win the BIG! states primaries. Even with Republican vote cheating help.

Hillary Clinton has been OUT MANNED! OUT GUNNED! and OUT SPENT! 4 and 5 to 1. Yet Obama has only been able to manage a very tenuous, and questionable tie with Hillary Clinton.

If Obama is the democratic nominee for the national election in November he will be slaughtered. Because the Republican vote cheating help will suddenly evaporate. All of this vote fraud and republican manipulation has made Obama falsely look like a much stronger candidate than he really is. YOUNG PEOPLE. DON’T BE DUPED! Think about it. You have the most to lose.

The democratic party needs to fix this outrage. Everyone needs to throw all your support to Hillary Clinton NOW! So you can end this outrage against YOU the voter, and against democracy.
The democratic party, and the super-delegates have a decision to make. Are the democrats, and the democratic party going to choose the DEMOCRATIC party nominee to fight for the American people. Or are the republicans going to choose the DEMOCRATIC party nominee through vote fraud, and gaming the DEMOCRATIC party primaries, and caucuses.

Fortunately the Clinton’s have been able to hold on against this fraudulent outrage with those repeated dramatic comebacks of Hillary Clinton’s. Only the Clinton’s are that resourceful, and strong. Hillary Clinton is your NOMINEE. They are the best I have ever seen.

“This is not a game” (Hillary Clinton)

Sincerely

jacksmith...

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» RE: Thought about it. Posted by: Longdream
Donations?
Posted by: jvaljon1 on Apr 13, 2008 6:57 PM   
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A couple of weeks ago, Alternet, I found a solicitation for "donations" from you. I thought about donating but, happily, something came up and I was forced to wait a bit before donating to you.

And then in that intervening time--from then till now--I saw you turn into the same old hate-Hillary-spewing, msm-mongers whom I haven't watched in a very long time now.

I tell you that, seeing you turn from a once-respected publication into a sort of online Faux (where Hillary Clinton is concerned) disappointed me brutally. But at least, AT LEAST--you didn't do it on my dime. Now you may ask:

Why am I FOR HILLARY? Because--Hill and Bill are, like it or not, a TEAM. That's where everybody knows Hillary from. The first Clinton Presidency had HIS face and THEIR ideas. I was looking for the SECOND Clinton Presidency to have HER face and THEIR ideas. I mean, Nafta or NO Nafta, I worked all during the first Clinton Presidency. Nafta only became an issue when the NeoCONS used it to pervert America toward their own agenda. American Middle Class workers were PROTECTED and we all worked. Look--a poison like NAFTA can kill you--or it can be blended expertly to be a medicine. That's what Hill & Bill did. And now we need Hillary Clinton as President to 1) clean out the filth in the White House, and 2) usher in another era of massive prosperity, along with her signature Universal Health Care which wouldn't hurt either. Barack OBama would have been fine, too, as Hillary's vp--and then been the President in his own right; vetted, tried, experienced. America was waiting for exactly that--to marry his candidacy to hers, as President and Vice President but we've been told NO, NOT HAPPENING (by the Nancy Pelosi, the same woman who refuses to impeach the Liar-In-Chief) so we have to choose between both candidates. Turning to Obama his bona fides?

He voted against the Iraq war. Laudable, extremely so--but that's one issue. He'd make a great VP in another Clinton presidency. He'd be loyal to america, so much so that maybe most Americans would forget his pastor fiasco.

Rove long ago saw the possibilities of a Hill and Barack reign--and later on, another eight years with Barack--saw, and trembled. Now he's busy, having left the White House for precisely this reason--to sow dissension and strife in the Democratic primaries, to make sure that such a pairing as Hillary and Obama--the Dream Team who would unite America as nothing else ever could--doesn't get together not even in our dreams.

Thank you, Rove. Thank you, Nancy P.

And you, Alternet, are going along with the whole Rovian anti-Hillary crusade--as if you had suddenly been lobotomized. NOT ONE PENNY WILL YOU EVER SEE FROM ME.

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» IF YOU ARE FOR HILLARY Posted by: topbrick
SOOO very tired of your Clinton bashing
Posted by: VLB on Apr 13, 2008 9:23 PM   
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So very transparent, Huffington, AlterNet, Fox, Rove you are all now in the same pit spewing the same nastiness, you should be proud of your lowly accomplishments.

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Kudzu
Posted by: Kudzu on Apr 15, 2008 4:16 AM   
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Sam Stein's crap smells just as bad here as it does on Obama's Huffington Post. Keep up the Hillary bashing Alternet and you will earn your place with the rest of the garbage that attracts nothing but Obama flies.

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