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Election 2008

Hillary's Flimsy Case for the Nomination

By Matt Taibbi, RollingStone.com. Posted April 5, 2008.


Addressing the myth of that Hillary's chances are better in the battleground states, and other frequently asked questions from the campaign trail.
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In the space of three short months, I've contrived to write two lengthy, gloating political obituaries for Hillary Clinton, only to see both of them blow up in my face after fantastic eleventh-hour comebacks that ended with scenes of the Hillmeister doing the dual flabby-arm raise on CNN while gusts of confetti whooshed across the room, obscuring almost everything except the shocking results blaring out from the crawl on the bottom of the screen. There was a time when this race looked like it might become the most uplifting in a generation. It's now threatening to become the most divisive and disturbing. It is a good time to ponder how that happened — and to address a few of the other Frequently Asked Questions about this depraved circus that is now poised to continue well past Pennsylvania.

Isn't Hillary Clinton better qualified than Barack Obama to be president, given that she is the more experienced candidate?

The idea that Clinton is somehow more qualified to deal with international crises because she has more "experience" is one of the strangest things I've seen the media swallow whole in a long time, dating back to the "tiny, sand-covered, yet-to-master-the-art-of-plumbing nation of Iraq is an imminent military threat to the United States" fiasco. According to my calculations —worked out over many hours, using long division out to eighteen places —Clinton is a second-term senator, while Barack Obama, conversely, is a first-term senator. By any reasonable standard, both are political neophytes.

Clinton talks a lot about having visited "over eighty countries" —but then, Chelsea was with her on a lot of those trips, and I doubt folks are rushing to hand her the red phone. In case anyone has forgotten what exactly first lady Hillary Clinton really did all those years, here is a press account of a 1997 trip that she made to Senegal with her daughter: "Her first stop in Senegal was at Goree Island, where she peered through the 'Door of No Return,' through which slaves passed on their way to the dreaded Middle Passage of the Slave Trade. When she arrived in Dakar, the first lady was greeted by Senegalese who danced and serenaded her with lyrics written especially for the occasion." Shit, I feel better about that 3 a.m. phone call already!

It is worth noting that Hillary was being packed off on these trips into the heart of Africa at precisely the time when her husband was getting his knob polished by an intern in the Oval Office. That's not a reflection on her personally —but for the Hillary camp to tout her advantage in foreign affairs based on these trips into the marital wilderness, as compared to a candidate who has actually lived overseas and has actual relatives living in villages like the ones Hillary passed over in her glass-bottomed boat, is beyond absurd.

When it comes time for delegates to vote at the convention, shouldn't they take into account that Clinton has performed better than Obama in the so-called battleground states? Doesn't she stand a better chance against John McCain in the national election?


In reality, the exact opposite is true. Everything about the results so far suggests that Obama is the more electable candidate according to the "battleground" voter the Clinton camp is claiming for their own.

The Clinton strategy for winning the presidency is so simple, even a chimpanzee could grasp it. You win the blue states, the Massachusettses and the New Jerseys, almost automatically, just by being pro-choice and saying nice things about trees and gay people. You concede the really red states, the places like Tennessee and Kentucky where you're fucked anyway, places where huge pluralities believe the devil really exists and has thick red skin and a bull's horns. That leaves you free to compete hard in the mixed-bag states by drifting to the right as far as you can without losing your in-pocket blue territories, which is really hard to do unless you start wobbling on abortion or selling out the spotted owl. It is through the prism of this new Clintonian strategy that presidential politics has basically been reduced to winning Florida and Ohio.

But saying that Hillary is better qualified to take on John McCain because of her performance in those states only makes sense if (a) you believe that the people who voted for Clinton in the primaries will not vote for Obama in the general election, and (b) you believe that no Democrat can win the traditionally red states. In fact, Hillary has mostly been winning the traditionally blue states —places like New York, California, Massachusetts and New Jersey —that are going to go blue in November anyway, no matter who is running on the Republican ticket. And even in the states Hillary has won, it has been registered Democrats, not swing voters, who have carried her to victory, while Obama has dominated her in virtually every contest among registered independents. Even in her home state of New York, Obama whipped Hillary among independents by fifteen percent. In Missouri, that margin was twenty-eight percent. In California? Thirty percent.


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Matt Taibbi is a writer for Rolling Stone.

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Posted by: HeKnew on Apr 5, 2008 2:56 AM   
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McLizard, Shillary or SmoovB...

That's IT?


Direct Democracy

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Hillary "Passes Over" Red States?
Posted by: jvaljon1 on Apr 5, 2008 4:26 AM   
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Last time I looked, Texas was a Red State. Hillary won here, last month. This, despite an orchestrated media pro-Obama bias, that continues to this day and which is terrifyingly easy to figure out:

The folks on top; BushCo--who we Texans now know are crooks--are all for Obama to win the Democratic nomination. McCain is shaky at best and a Hillary nomination would sink him without a trace. Down here we remember the Clinton economy, and the creators of the current US economy, all know that we do. Hence the bought-and-paid-for "media" (aka Murdoch Broadcast News) have been ordered to 1) ignore and/or 2) disparage the Clinton candidacy.

You must all think we're morons just because this is a "Red" state. I can assure you that my fellow citizens here in Grand Prairie, TX, a stone's throw in either direction from the Dallas-Ft Worth area, voted overwhelmingly for Hillary Clinton, as did I. Please tell your boss Rupert Murdoch, that Americans in all states who have functioning minds and memories longer than the past 8 years, will vote for a Hillary Clinton/Barack Obama candidacy in a heartbeat. But that'd give the Democrats a total of 16 years in the White House and that's something that neither Murdoch NOR his bosses in the White House, have any intention of letting happen. Just--you should know that most if not all Texans--supposedly "Red-Staters" see through this latest BS that, sadly, Alternet has espoused.

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» RE: Grand Prairie Posted by: Dboy
» RE: Hillary "Passes Over" Red States? Posted by: texasalleykat
Hillary, Colombia & the wonderful world of corporate lobbying kickbacks...
Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Apr 5, 2008 4:27 AM   
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Fact #1: Hillary's chief campaign adviser is Mark Penn, CEO of the world's fifth biggest propaganda firm, Burson-Marsteller. B-M has campaigned for the tobacco industry by setting up large astroturf organizations (the National Smoker's Alliance). B-M also was hired by Blackwater prior to Eric Prince's testimony (recall his cloud of advisers)?

Mark Penn was also just caught red-handed in Colombia meeting with proponents of a Colombia Free Trade Agreement (another NAFTA). He's apologized profusely - but the fact is, this spineless weasel will continue to work for passage of the next NAFTA - because B-M sure isn't going to give up a lucrative contract from Uribe's cocaine-fueled Colombian government.

See Clintonistas and Colombia on that:

"Clinton: "If you come to Ohio and you go give speeches that are very critical of NAFTA... and then we find out that your chief economic adviser has gone to a foreign government and basically done the old wink-wink – 'Don’t pay any attention, this is just political rhetoric' -- I think that raises serious questions."

Serious questions indeed - especially if it's your top adviser, and he's helping negotiate the deal!

Fact#2: Hillary's tax returns reveal that the Clintons are firmly engaged in that favorite Congressional pasttime of winkling money out of corporate America. How many Senators have children employed by lobbying firms, hedge funds, military defense contractors and the like? How many get lucrative speaking fees for their spouses? Clinton fits the mold.

Take Bill : "In 2006 and 2007, he earned fees from $100,000 to $450,000 speaking to such corporations as IBM, General Motors, and Cisco Systems, finance giants such as Goldman Sachs and Lehman Brothers, and trade groups such as the National Association of Realtors and the Mortgage Bankers Association. . . .

Similarly, Chelsea Clinton, surely a very nice girl, landed a job with the vulture fund, the Avenue Capital Group. These guys are known for devastating Third World Countries, as revealed by Greg Palast. Avenue Capital Group was founded by Clinton friends Marc Lasry and Susan Gardner. That explains Clinton's view of the subprime collapse, doesn't it?

The recent threat letter sent to Nancy Pelosi (arguing that the superdelegates should be able to pick Clinton over Obama) - Marc Lasry of Avenue Capital is one of the signers.

The Clinton's record is one of pandering to corporate interests on Wall Street - that, they will tell you, (well, probably not) is how they managed to win two presidential elections - by betraying basic Democratic principles in favor of corporate cronyism - they out-Republicaned the Republicans, for which they earned the undying hatred of the right-wing neocons.

So, what to do? Clinton is a disaster on all fronts - she'll turn off the independents inspired by Obama, and she'll energize the Clinton-haters in the Republican Party, and she has a long list of hypocritical statements - she's demonstrated that she'll say anything, no matter how dishonest, as long as a) she thinks she can get away with it, and b) she thinks it will help her win the nomination. The only option is to vote for Obama - but he'll have to be watched closely.

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Couple of things
Posted by: Ambercat on Apr 5, 2008 5:49 AM   
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Nobody "forced" Hillary to "go pscyho-bitch," as this article put it, She is no reactive foool; she knows what she is doing and why. For instance, her appearance with Richad Mellon Scaife in order to try to extend the life of the Rev. Wright thing could not have been some accident.

I'm also really tired of this narrative that a divisive Democratic primary has already elected Mccain and that American voters are so incredibly foolish and self-destructive that they're going to fall for that "big strong guy who'll save you from the terrorists" crap again while their personal economic lives are crumbling and even when it's obvious the "big strong guy" is a doddering old fool who can't keep his stories straight. This requires believing that the entire campaign is frozen in amber seven months before the election and that Mccain will continue to be able to evade scruntiny long after the primary is over. While it's true that the media is trying to cram itself whole up his nether regions, I think it's going to be difficult for a McCain forced to actually appear in public and go toe-to-toe with Obama to do that. I am sure they will flog the "patriotism" angle. But I think McCain is going to find it difficult to maintain any sort of lead as Obama systematically dismantles any sort of claim he has to valuable "experience." I think a McCain victory is not only not a given, it's a long shot.

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» RE: McCain Posted by: Dboy
» Dboy..this is AlterNet not AlterNut Posted by: WILDSTARCHILD
» Amen Ambercat.... Posted by: WILDSTARCHILD
» RE: Amen Ambercat.... Posted by: 23skidoo
Taibbi..I love your scathing wit....
Posted by: WILDSTARCHILD on Apr 5, 2008 5:56 AM   
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and politically incorrect sense of humour...I really do. You helped explain Hillary's madness better than anyone I've heard or read yet..BTW..I read A LOT!
But...I know, there's always a but..I don't agree with you about Obama. I've been picking him apart with a fine tooth comb for a few months now, and I can't seem to find anything shady about this guy. i mean you can try to be equally cynical about both politicians for fairness sake if you like...but I'm serious.
Obama raised 40 million last month..the average donation???$109...Go to open secrets if you don't believe me. ..
Oh and the Nafta argument..are you for real? It was Clinton who actually said what Obama was accused of saying.The Canadians have denied that they have spoken to B Obama...they do NOT deny Clinton's involvement... Yah, great spin huh?Like something right out of Karl Rove's Playbook,for real...Shame on you Hillary...That story has been out for a while now...Link
Not to be a Kool-aide drinker bro...but Obama is the realest politician I've ever seen.I just hope we don't pass up a great opportunity.
Thanks for your work..hope to see you on Realtime again soon.:~)Peace.

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So True, So True!
Posted by: dustinblythe on Apr 5, 2008 6:29 AM   
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This column brings up two very important points. First, the Clinton campaign has touted their wins in "big" states, saying they have won more than Obama, but that kind of thinking reflects "old" political thinking. We have seen the results of the "swing state theory": Democrats win states like New York and California, Pennsylvania and Illinois but we get waxed in middle America and the south. Take a look at the "red state/blue state" map from 2004:

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/president/

We need a candidate who can run effectively and aggressively in all 50 states. I believe that, given the time, Barack Obama could and would do that. We recently had a Clinton office open in our community. Former DNC chairman, and current Clinton advisor, Terry McAuliffe came to the opening and spoke of how important Indiana is and how Hillary will work for Indiana now and in the fall. I did not buy it. Under McAuliffe's leadership states like Indiana were the red headed stepchildren in the Democratic family. "You have not gone Democrat in forty years, now go play in traffic." For years we have seen Presidential candidates and campaigns pass us by. Sure, we are getting attention now, but who will give us the time of day this fall? My money is on the Obama team.

The other important point is the superdelegate imbroglio. I wholeheartedly agree with the characterization that superdelegates are today's version of the party bosses of old. If Clinton takes this before the superdelegates, and they hand her the nomination, this Party will be torn apart like never before. An act like that would be akin to the Supreme Court handing the 2000 election to George W. Bush. It would tell Obama's supporters (young voters, black voters and independents who believe in him), "Nice try, but we know better. Let us tell you who you will be voting for." The superdelegates must respect the will of the people. In that sense, they seem as redundant and unnecessary as the electoral college, but since they are part of the law of the land we must include them.

Although it seldom happens in a Presidential primary, almost every year in almost every state there is a candidate who honestly believes that he/she is the better candidate. Even though the electoral math is not in their favor, they insist on seeing the process through until the bitter end. All we can do is hope that the extended primary does not harm the eventual nominee.

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» Right on dustinB... Posted by: WILDSTARCHILD
Immediate Reaction
Posted by: jwhitneywise on Apr 5, 2008 7:39 AM   
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I haven't even gotten past the first paragraph and already need to comment:

I'm a staunch Obama supporter, but using terms like "flabby arms" and "psycho-bitch" only lend credibility to Hillary's campaign's argument that a female president is a bigger accomplishment than a black president. If you're going to be so blatantly sexist, you could at least be blatantly racist to balance it out.

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An Iraqi with Some Knowledge of Plumbing
Posted by: iraqiamerican on Apr 5, 2008 8:39 AM   
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"tiny, sand-covered, yet-to-master-the-art-of-plumbing nation of Iraq is an imminent military threat to the United States"

It may come as a surprise to so historically and inter-culturally challenged a people as are Americans, but Iraq in 1980 was one of the more advanced of the countries of the so-called Third World. Infrastructure, educational system, healthcare system (to be fair, it is perhaps too much to expect Americans, who still live in a country yet to master the technology of single-payer health, to know what this actually means), and other factors besides made the Iraqi people among the better-educated, technically proficient nations on the planet.

It is bad faith to ignore the effect of the last twenty years of geopolitics -- and the not too minimal role of the US in these -- in the current and ongoing misery of the Iraqi people, a people who have suffered too immensely to deserve smug so-called liberals hurl racist epithets at them.

It is comments like this that disgust me about the so-called left in the United States. But maybe it's the plumbing.

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» No kidding Posted by: improperly_sedated
If Hillary steals the nomination from Obama...
Posted by: HughScott on Apr 5, 2008 11:45 AM   
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I will not only donate to John McCain's campaign but will work tirelessly in my community for his victory the way I did for Kerry in 2004.

If my man Obama wins the nomination, to hell with McCain.

PS: No more Clintons in the White House, PLEASE!

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» Typical binary thinking Posted by: improperly_sedated
» RE: Typical binary thinking Posted by: willymack
Don't Forget All Those Limbaugh Dems
Posted by: larryfhilton on Apr 5, 2008 12:45 PM   
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Exit poll data shows that Hillary's popular vote victory in Texas can be attributed to Limbaugh "One Day Democrats". Why do you think Obama won the caucuses so handily--"One Days" were afraid to show up! Somewhat the same thing happened in Ohio. Too bad they don't have caucuses. Hillary looks nastier (I won't use the B word) and more unethical as the campaign goes on, and Obama does well to stay somewhat above the fray--but won't someone form a PAC to really publicize all the lies, exaggerations, and "nasties" the Clintons keep coming out with? The polls have been consistant--Hillary can't beat McCain, but Obama can.

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Taibbi
Posted by: blackie4aces on Apr 5, 2008 3:48 PM   
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Matt Taibbi has to be one of the most astute, and certainly the funniest, analysts and commentators of this current election cycle. Besides being right-on with his observations and insights, he makes it possible to swallow a lot of depressing shit while laughing out loud. It is the laughter, I guess, paradoxically, that prevents chokiing on it.

Here's to Matt Taibbi. If only we had ten or twenty more like him.

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Hillarious Circus
Posted by: kiwijohn on Apr 5, 2008 4:04 PM   
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This is the most witty, thought-stimulating, well conceived and well written article on this year's US Presidential elections that I have come across. Suddenly, it doesn't seem to matter that much whether the analysis is accurate or not. It is the essential portrayal of the hillarious (no pun intended) circus that this compulsively driven nation uses to disguise the many layers of sanctimonious and self-righteous behavior of extremist zealots in control of a very young democracy.

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ramster2
Posted by: ramster1 on Apr 5, 2008 5:15 PM   
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A key factor for Obama supporters - and all Democrats - to consider is that Sen. Obama has so far done poorly with blue-collar and Hispanic voters. If he cannot garner much more support from these groups - and his bowling won't help him - these are two large, critical groups that can easily be captured by McCain. Obama has the money and the time in Pennsylvania. If he can't win Pennsylvania, I don't see how he could beat McCain.

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Seven years of press scrutiny? Wha?
Posted by: Sil on Apr 5, 2008 11:32 PM   
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Well I wouldn't agree with "Democrats had all the momentum going into this race because of seven years of uninterrupted press scrutiny of the Bush administration"... that seems like a poorly phrased way to describe current Bush fatigue.

It seems to me the press did a pretty good job of abdicating all journalistic responsibility until too many American guys started to die in Iraq 2 or 3 years ago. Because of the recent coverage OF the seven years of Bush would seem like a more accurate description of the "scrutiny" Bush has endured.

Always an entertaining read to read Matt's pieces, though. What a national treasure. Oh, and I don't lump Matt in with the craven, careerist morons that represent the "press" that was asleep at the switch when they could have made a difference. Matt was one of the few sounding the alarms.

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Hillary Is a Narcissist
Posted by: AlexLawyer on Apr 6, 2008 2:01 AM   
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I agree with this article, but want to add one more point. Take a look at these criteria and tell me they don't describe Hillary Clinton perfectly:

A pervasive pattern of grandiosity (in fantasy or behavior), need for admiration, and lack of empathy, beginning by early adulthood and present in a variety of contexts, as indicated by five (or more) of the following:

1. has a grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements)
2. is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love
3. believes that he or she is "special" and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions)
4. requires excessive admiration
5. has a sense of entitlement, i.e., unreasonable expectations of especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectations
6. is interpersonally exploitative, i.e., takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends
7. lacks empathy: is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others
8. is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of him or her
9. shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes

We've had 7 years of a severely personality disordered president, and we don't need another 4.

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» RE: Hillary Is a Narcissist Posted by: kiwijohn
Presidency-2009
Posted by: Col. Jackleg on Apr 6, 2008 3:18 AM   
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The chump or chumpette, as it were, that is unlucky enough to be elected in November will inherit policies that have gutted the economy, depleted military preparedness, committed us to inane foreign policy that enables warlords and turf bums to ensnare our ass in endless killing that produces only more of the same and a domestic infrastructure in total collapse. Now, among the 3 prospects remaining which one can inspire the nation to believe that he/she has what it takes to lead, inspire, unite and restore sanity and dignity to a nation bereft of both? Hillary? Give me a break, she can't even keep her dipshit husband's fly zipped!

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» RE: Presidency-2009 Posted by: buzzsaw
» RE: Presidency-2009 Posted by: kiwijohn
But she's the annointed one!!!!
Posted by: EJW on Apr 6, 2008 10:11 AM   
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The powers that be told her she'd be the next president. Isn't it a shame that The People don't want her? She's acting like a spoiled brat.

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These arguments work just as well in reverse
Posted by: hotdog on Apr 7, 2008 8:41 AM   
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Reread the post switching Clinton to Obama and vice versa. Fits either way.

The truest point: "Obama's real weakness is that nobody really knows yet what he's all about." Yet people are going nuts over him because he has good speaking skills (basically what Joe Biden got beaned for calling "articulate").

Obama's new campaign is about outreach via cell phones. On policy, as Paul Krugman has pointed out repeatedly, Clinton has the superior program (even if it also sucks from any left-leaning perspective).

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HILLARY SUCKS OOH OOH YEAH
Posted by: meetmeineleusis on Apr 7, 2008 8:13 PM   
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HILLARY SUCKS OOH OOH YEAH

HILLARY SUCKS OOH OOH YEAH

I TYPE THIS JUNK AS I SIT IN MY CHAIR

HILLARY SUCKS OOH OOH YEAH

I DO MY LITTLE DANCE WHILE I KEEP ON SAYING

HILLARY SUCKS OOH OOH YEAH
HILLARY SUCKS OOH OOH YEAH

DING BABBA DIBBY DOO PA LOOTY BOOTY BOO BOO.

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