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The Wright Controversy Revealed America's Deeply Insecure Side
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But on land, a squid is about as useless as it gets. It's a spineless, squishy little hunk of seafood that wouldn't stand a chance in a cage match with a baby squirrel. It has no heart, and its first instinct when trouble comes is to hide in a cloud of its own excretions. This is why a squiddy word like squeeb seems to me to be a good way to describe the American voter during a presidential election season.
That's especially true now, during a "controversy" like this latest flap over Barack Obama pastor Jeremiah Wright. This Wright business is a perfect example of the American electorate at its squeeby worst -- panicky, gutless, acting more on reflex than thought, incapable of retaining information for more than a few minutes at a time. It's also a great example of how the presidential election process has become more about enforcing the attitudes of a cultural orthodoxy than a system for choosing leaders.
Through scandal after idiotic scandal, the election process has become a painfully prolonged, deeply irritating exercise in policing conventional wisdom, through a variety of means keeping the public in a state of heightened, dumb animal panic, and ultimately turning the election itself into a Darwinian contest -- survival of the Squeebiest.
As by now the entire country has heard, Barack Obama was forced to run the media gauntlet this week after a series of videos shot across the internet, showing his pastor doing his best Minister Farrakhan impersonation. Pastor Wright's comments ranged from the idiotic (suggestions that AIDS in Africa was spread by the U.S. government) to the even more idiotic (urging black parishioners to sing "God Damn America" instead of "God Bless America") to the not-entirely-without-validity (suggestions that 9/11 in some sense represented a form of blowback for America's violent foreign policies, its role as the world's chief purveyor of weapons, and so on) to the absolutely-true-but-taboo (observations that the U.S. supported terrorism against Palestinians and senselessly bombed Cambodia and Iraq).
Anyone who's ever listened to Farrakhan or any other angry black nationalist is familiar with a lot of these ideas, which have been around forever and aren't exactly controversial in certain circles. The same white America that enjoys saccharine Ice Cube movies like Are We There Yet? and Barbershop probably would puke in its minivan if it listened closely to Farrakhan-inspired Cube tunes like "When Will They Shoot?," which talk about Uncle Sam being "Hitler without an oven," with white America guilty of "Burning up black skin," and bombing neighborhoods to "push the crack in."
A lot of this stuff is stupid as hell and totally paranoid -- the much-regarded theory that white scientists cooked up AIDS in order to keep Africa poor (as if it needed help) rivals only the 9/11 Truth movement for sheer stone-headed dumbness -- but a lot of it is just angry America-sucks ranting grounded in the unfortunately utterly factual record of American iniquity, not much different from the kind of thing you'd read coming from Howard Zinn or Noam Chomsky.
But whether or not any of Wright's "controversial" statements have any validity at all is beside the point. The point is that a country that had any balls at all -- that was secure enough in its patriotic self-image to stare vicious criticism right in the face and collectively decide for itself, in a state of sober reflection, what part of it was bullshit and what wasn't -- such a country wouldn't do what it did in the case of the Wright flap, which is to panic instantly, collectively leap off the ground in terror like a bunch of silly bitches, and chase the criticism away in a torch-bearing mob with its eyes averted without even bothering to talk about what was actually said.
Yet naturally this is what was done in this case; the very first response of the entire national media apparatus was to denounce Wright as a kind of living disease and shriekingly demand that Obama do the same.
These controversial occasions, it should be said, are favorites of the national punditry. They offer an opportunity for slothlike, couchbound columnists everywhere to dress themselves up in white-hot outrage and to pen long accusatory columns in a tone suggesting that all contentment and happiness in their lives will henceforth be impossible until the offending agent is fully and completely shunned by society.
You get articles like the one written by Jeff Jacoby of the Boston Globe ("It's still a question of Wright and Wrong," March 19) in which Jacoby noted that if his rabbi had said such hateful things, his congregation would have risen as one and ridden him out of town on a rail; expressing disappointment that this had not happened at Obama's church full of appallingly approving black folk, Jacoby then expressed sorrow that Obama, who delivered a racial-reconciliation-themed speech this week echoing Martin Luther King (40 years after his death, mainstream America's current symbol of acceptable protest), would not reject a pastor who drew his inspiration not from King but seemingly from Malcolm X, James Cone and Louis Farrakhan (symbols of unacceptable protest).
This "clanging double standard," Jacoby wrote, "raises questions" (these milquetoast pundits never just say they think a guy sucks; they always say his behavior "raises questions") about Obama's character and judgment, and about his "fitness for the role of race-transcending healer." Now, me personally, as a white guy, I have to admire Jacoby -- I'm not sure I'd have the balls to tell black America that it is permitted to criticize whitey in the style of Martin Luther King but not in the style of Malcolm X. I mean, no one sent my grandfather to be injected with syphillis at Tuskegee, or strung up my great-uncle for smiling at a white girl, so no matter what I actually think here, I'm keeping my mouth shut. But not Jacoby, and not the bulk of the media apparatus. They have no problem telling anyone, at any time, where the boundary lines of acceptable opinion are, and what the penalties are for straying beyond them.
Of course, this is not the first time that this kind of thing took place in this campaign; it's actually happened over and over again, with Farrakhan himself (when an exasperated Obama was forced to "reject" and "denounce" Farrakhan's rhetoric, as if mere "rejection" were not enough), with Geraldine Ferraro (when Obama aides demanded that Hillary denounce the ex-Veep hopeful for suggesting Obama was lucky to be a black candidate), and with End-Times enthusiast/right-wing pastor John Hagee in San Antonio, from whom John McCain was forced to make distancing statements. These sorts of denunciations also continue involving figures not connected to the candidates -- the campaign by various women's groups to censure Chris Matthews for his supposed sexist remarks is a good example, as is the much-ballyhooed incident involving Don Imus, a landmark event in the history of herd-panic and rank hypocrisy.
Now, no one is suggesting that there shouldn't be some reaction to genuinely toxic ideas, or that all criticism of racist or unpatriotic comments is unfounded. But what we're getting with all of these scandals isn't a sober exchange of ideas but more of an ongoing attempt to instill in the public a sort of permanent fear of uncomfortable ideas, and to reduce public discourse to a kind of primitive biological mechanism, like the nervous system of a squid or a shellfish, one that recoils reflexively from any stimuli. And the campaign is where you really see this process at work full-time. It's something I noticed while spending so much of the last year (and, before, so much of the years 2003 and 2004) on the campaign trail talking to prospective voters, listening to their complaints and their fears and their (often fleeting) enthusiasms. During this time, I started to notice a pattern, comprised of several elements.
The first is a truly remarkable tendency of seemingly intelligent people to work themselves into genuine outrage over information they didn't even know about twenty minutes ago, until they heard it on television, or coming out of the mouths of a candidate.
A laid-off worker in Ohio will go to a Hillary Clinton speech, hear Hillary talk about the dangers of electing a president without "experience," and then five minutes after the speech he'll be shaking his fist at the ceiling at the very idea of someone without "experience" even trying to run for president. A teacher in New York will go to an Obama event looking curious and happy, then come out furious at the politics of "the past," rambling like it's been on his mind for years about how we need to "look to the future" instead of staying stuck "where we are." A Republican turns on the TV, hears some asshole like Michelle Malkin say the surge is working, then turns around and with his arm draped around his wife gives you a long spiel about how the surge is working and how those damned liberals don't want to admit it.
Crucially, however, those same people never tell you the same story for more than a few weeks. A few weeks later, their brains are a clean slate again, and the next story they tell you is the one they heard even more recently on TV. Now the outrage might be Barack Obama getting a free ride in the media (your squeeb-citizen here might cite the SNL skit about Barack getting offered a pillow by debate moderators), or John McCain not knowing al-Qaeda is Sunni and therefore not an ally of Iran, or Hillary misspending campaign money on luxury suites in Vegas. "That just shows she's not fit to manage money," he'll say, solemnly.
The net effect of all of this is to make the electorate exquisitely sensitive to constant prodding and poking by media stimuli, and what people don't notice is that that prodding and poking is tirelessly moving them in the same direction, toward a safe, inoffensive middle, away from anything that smells controversial. The endless onslaught of tiny scandals trains the electorate to be hyper-responsive to temporary, superficial outrages while simultaneously chipping away at their long-term memories, their inclination to look at the big picture, their ability to grasp subtleties of opinion and policy.
So instead of talking about the fact that Barack Obama once introduced a bill to give a tax break to a Japanese company whose lawyers donated fifty grand to his Senate campaign, we're freaking out for five minutes about the fact that Obama's pastor thinks America spread AIDS on purpose in Zambia.
And instead of talking about the fact that Hillary Clinton took $110,000 from a New York food company she later helped by introducing a bill to remove import duties on tomatoes, we're ranting and raving about Gerry Ferraro's paranoid ramblings about Obama's blackness. We can't keep our eyes on the ball and really think about the serious endemic problems of our system of government because we're too busy freaking out like a bunch of cartoon characters over silly, meaningless bullshit. And then forgetting about that same bullshit ten minutes later, so that we can freak out all over again about something else later on.
That's just the way we are, and maybe it's time to wonder why that is. In Russia they have a word, sovok, which described the craven, chickenshit mindset that over the course of decades became hard-wired into the increasingly silly brains of Soviet subjects. It's a hard word to define, but once you get it -- and all Russians get it -- it's like riding a bicycle, you've got it. Sovok is the word that described a society where for decades silence and a thoughtful demeanor might be construed as evidence of a dangerous dissidence lurking underneath; the sovok therefore protected himself from suspicion by babbling meaningless nonsense at all times, so that no one would accuse him of harboring smart ideas.
A sovok talked tough, and cheered Khruschev for banging a shoe at America, but at the same time a sovok would have sold his own children for a pair of American jeans. The sovok talked like a romantic and lavished women with compliments, but preferred long fishing trips and nights spent in the garage tinkering with his shitty car to actual sex. It's hard to explain, but over there, they know what the word means. More than anything, sovok described a society that spent seventy years in mortal terror of new ideas, and tended to drape itself in a paper-thin patriotism whenever it felt threatened, and worshipped mediocrities as a matter of course, elevating to positions of responsibility only those who showed an utter absence not only of objectionable qualities, but any qualities at all.
We're getting to be the same kind of people. We can't focus for more than ten seconds on anything at all and we're constantly exercised about stupid media-generated non-scandals, guilt-by-association raps, accidental dumb utterances of various campaign aides and other nonsense -- while at the same time we have no energy at all left to wonder about the mass burgling of the national budget for phony military contracts, the war, the billion dollars or so in campaign contributions to be spent this year that will be buying a small mountain of favors for the next four years. And we... shit, I don't even know what I'm saying anymore.
I'm just tired of this tone that's always out there when these scandals break, like we can't fucking stand the existence of this Wright fellow for even a minute longer, not a minute longer! -- when we all know that come Monday, or Tuesday at the latest, Jeremiah Wright will be forgotten and we'll be jumping en masse in a panic away from the next media-offered shadow to fall across our bow. What a bunch of turds we all are, seriously. God help us if we ever had to deal with a real problem.
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Posted by: carbon-based on Mar 27, 2008 3:37 PM
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I suspect that if the KKK came out in favor of McCain, the response would have drove him from the nomination. We seem to be taking it easy on Wright, his church and Obama.
Stop playing the black/white divide - racism is racism not matter how comfortably numb we are with ourselves!
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Posted by: cshendrix on Mar 27, 2008 4:05 PM
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Pastor Wright may not be correct in some of his statements, but he's been walking it like he talks it for years: serving in the Marine Corps, graduating valedictorian from Corpsman school in the Navy, preaching . He's given a great deal to the United States government, and he's got a right to criticize. He also has the responsibility to accept criticism of his positions. What's ridiculous is the fact that his views on AIDS, which are loony, are used to dismiss his other positions, which are much more defensible yet politically incorrect.
Meanwhile, the same media that works itself into a lather about his comments about US foreign policy doesn't seem to mind having been systematically lied to by the Bush administration in the run-up to the Iraq war, nor have they taken seriously the obvious fact that the 9/11 attacks were a response (disproportionate though it may have been) to US foreign policy in the Middle East.
Big media lost a ton of credibility leading up to, during, and following the US invasion of Iraq. The real chickens coming home to roost will be these same news editors and writers, forced to cover tabloid subjects and the sex lives of pop stars because they're no longer viewed as a legitimate source of actual information or informed comment.
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Posted by: Grozny_Guy on Mar 27, 2008 7:17 PM
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Posted by: ynguldyn on Mar 27, 2008 10:34 PM
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How interesting that you compare the current affairs in the U.S. with Sovok (in the second meaning of the word, the country). This parallel is something that is mentioned by Soviet emigrants in the U.S. more and more often. I personally have seen this country turn to all those oh so familiar ways over the last five or six years (9/11 was the trigger point, then it took about a year or so for the government and the unwashed mob to get moving in that direction). The only major difference I can point out is the much higher efficiency of the mechanisms used: there's no comparison between Fox News and Pravda.
And it is widely believed that the exclamation point in this transformation will be when Americans elect a septuagenarian with his mind half gone. Then you'll even have your own Brezhnev.
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Posted by: edh on Mar 28, 2008 1:31 AM
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Those who brush this off are obviously are not Jewish and it's ok for Obama to have set there for 20 years and listened to this racist propaganda?
It's not ok.
This shows moral judgment.
Oprah left that church after hearing this garbage and took a high moral road.
Obama was caught in a lie regarding all this.
First, he said he had never heard these sermons, then admitted he had & he sat silent!
He points his finger at Clinton for her war vote, claiming she showed bad judgment. Yet, he continued showing bad judgment for 20 years.
History has taught us you do indeed have to have the courage to stand for what is right.
Recall the saying "When they came to get the Jews I said nothing, when they came to get the Poles. When they came to get the homosexuals, the teachers, the intellectuals, the gypsies, I said nothing.
When they came to get me I realized, I was the only one left.
It took tremendous courage for some in Germany those many years ago. They stood up for what they believed and paid a high price.
Obama, who I used to support, has shown he has caved in to pressure from his own group, even in the face of terrible wrong.
Obama is a moral coward and we are fools if we put him in the White House.
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Posted by: jacksmith on Mar 28, 2008 1:39 AM
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Large numbers of Republicans have been voting for Barack Obama in the DEMOCRATIC primaries, and caucuses from early on. Because they feel he would be a weaker opponent against John McCain. And because they feel that a Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama ticket would be unbeatable. And also because with a Clinton and Obama ticket you are almost 100% certain to get quality, affordable universal health care very soon.
But first, all of you have to make certain that Hillary Clinton takes the democratic nomination and then the Whitehouse. NOW! is the time. THIS! is the moment you have all been working, and waiting for. You can do this America. “Carpe diem” (harvest the day).
I think Hillary Clinton see’s a beautiful world of plenty for all. She is a woman, and a mother. And it’s time America. Do this for your-self, and your children’s future. You will have to work together on this and be aggressive, relentless, and creative. Americans face an even worse catastrophe ahead than the one you are living through now.
Hillary Clinton has actually won by much larger margins than the vote totals showed. And lost by much smaller vote margins than the vote totals showed. Her delegate count is actually much higher than it shows. And higher than Obama’s. She also leads in the electoral college numbers that you must win to become President in the November national election. HILLARY CLINTON IS ALREADY THE TRUE DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE!
As much as 30% of Obama's primary, and caucus votes are Republicans trying to choose the weakest democratic candidate for McCain to run against. These Republicans have been gaming the caucuses where it is easier to vote cheat. This is why Obama has not been able to win the BIG! states primaries. Even with Republican vote cheating help.
Hillary Clinton has been out manned, out gunned, and out spent 2 and 3 to 1. Yet Obama has only been able to manage a very tenuous, and questionable tie with Hillary Clinton.
If Obama is the democratic nominee for the national election in November he will be slaughtered. Because the Republican vote cheating help will suddenly evaporate. All of this vote fraud and republican manipulation has made Obama falsely look like a much stronger candidate than he really is. YOUNG PEOPLE. DON’T BE DUPED! Think about it. You have the most to lose.
The democratic party needs to fix this outrage. I suggest a Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama ticket. Everyone needs to throw all your support to Hillary Clinton NOW! So you can end this outrage against YOU the voter, and against democracy.
I think Barack Obama has a once in a life time chance to make the ultimate historic gesture for unity, and change in America by accepting Hillary Clinton’s offer as running mate. Such an act now would for ever seal Barack Obama’s place at the top of the list of Americas all time great leaders, and unifiers for all of history.
The democratic party, and the super-delegates have a decision to make. Are the democrats, and the democratic party going to choose the DEMOCRATIC party nominee to fight for the American people. Or are the republicans going to choose the DEMOCRATIC party nominee through vote fraud, and gaming the DEMOCRATIC party primaries, and caucuses.
Fortunately the Clinton’s have been able to hold on against this fraudulent outrage with those repeated dramatic comebacks of Hillary Clinton’s. Only the Clinton’s are that resourceful, and strong. Hillary Clinton is your NOMINEE. They are the best I have ever seen.
Sincerely
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Posted by: revrmaury on Mar 28, 2008 4:28 PM
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Posted by: AsteroidMiner on Mar 28, 2008 9:13 PM
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$200,000 per year." Exactly as I have been saying: Preachers
are charlatans. Religion is a business. A FRAUDULENT
business. There is no truth whatever in any bible, Koran or other
"holy" book. There is no reason to "be awake" during a sermon
because preachers rarely say anything at all. Preachers speak
"word salad," which is meaningless nonsense unrelated to reality.
When they do say something that can be given a meaning, it is
wrong. Religion is caused by mental illness, propagandization,
lack of education and stupidity. Going to church is required of
politicians in this country because religion is pandemic in this
country. People got upset about what Jeremiah Wright said
because of their own mental limitations and emotional problems.
"At a time when the IRS is investigating the UCC for using the
church as a political tool and threatening our tax-exemption,
Jeremiah's brand of political rhetoric from the pulpit will only
strengthen the IRS case." I certainly hope so. A bit of taxation
might help cut down on the problem religion is. Since religion is
a business, religion should be taxed as such. Religion is
strangling education, especially science education, for example in
Kansas.
"In Jesus the people recognized the authority of power" Most
people are not smart enough to overcome their chimpanzee
instinct to organize society into Alpha, Beta and Charley, or King,
nobility and commoner. [Yes, the human race is a race of
chimpanzees.] That is why George W. Bush is getting away with
turning the presidency into a monarchy.
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Posted by: Doubtom on Mar 28, 2008 10:04 PM
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I heard Wright's sermon and I didn't spot one lie---can we say this about anything said by either IdiotBush or RabidCheney?
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Posted by: surfreality on Mar 29, 2008 3:59 AM
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The American squeeb tends to squirt red, white and blue at any topic of conversation that requires reflection.
On another note; I'm a little shocked that the 9/11 Truthers haven't besieged this forum as of yet... I know it's just a matter of time before the "more radical than thou" squeeb ink begins to cloud up the discussion...
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Posted by: bc430 on Mar 29, 2008 5:59 AM
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Get the DOD definition of Chemical and Biological Weapons and their deployment.
1. Our Biological weapons include Viruses.
2. "These weapons shall be used to maime or kill man, his domestic animals and crops."
All veterans aren't still brainwashed or brain dead. Some even believe that it is the patriotic thing to do to alert their countrymen when their government and it's military capabilities are seized by Fascist criminals. Jeremiah is a decorated US. Marine Vietnam Vet. Would'nt it be a shame if he has enough medical, military and theological knowledge to know that God did not curse White male homosexuals in San Fransisco, then heterosexuals and IV drug users in Harlem, then the Angolian army and then the continent of Africa and now people of color all over the planet. Why did God spare other sinners? How did the virus leap from San Fran to Harlem?
Eastern Europeans were caught infecting Libyan Children and imprisoned. Next we knew Libya is off the Terrorist list and the Euro med team are quietly released from prison and back home.
Demonize, marginalize and isolate Dr. Jeremiah A.Wright Jr. and other "CONSPIRACY REPORTERS" Turn public opinion against them, and banish them from the community like the character in Plato's cave.
"Conspiracy Reporters." Don't you agree that's a more sensible term than Conspiracy theorists? It serves the goal of conspirators and gives them perfect cover if they can turn their factual dirty deeds into "therory" and fuzz up the minds of the masses. Serves kind of like a smoke screen.
Things, they are A-Changing.
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Posted by: PJAW on Mar 29, 2008 6:31 AM
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Obama's response was measured, calm and impressed me as being both sincere and honest.
Hillary, on the other hand, has been lying her ass off, and if you haven't caught her, you haven't been paying attention.
McCain? Completely used up, out of touch and so enamored with himself and the possibility of being President that he will say or do anything to make that real. A hero!?! I respect anyone who places him or herself in harm's way in the defense of family, home and counry, but think hard and remember, that's not what Viet Nam was about. Dropping bombs from thousands of feet in the air isn't exactly warrior like. And remember, he denounced the USA and what he was doing (under torture, which he now advocates for others). No thanks.
There are no true progressives left in the race that have any shot at all, but Obama comes closest, and at least appears to have a sympathetic ear. But who knows, it seems you simply cannot overestimate the ignorance of the American people. I wouldn't be totally shocked if Pat Robertson won a write-in campaign.
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Posted by: The Big Raven on Mar 29, 2008 7:05 AM
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And as far as america and africa and aids the truth of the matter is that american drug companies are trying to bleed as much money from these poor countries by refusing to sell generic drugs that they can afford so in a word by refusing real help we are spreading the sickness of greed and killing at the same time.
And some of the comments are just stupid I read these everyday and I see the same people whinning and complaining about israel and how they are ripping off the Palistinians and stealing thier land and lives all the while never even carring that your house and the land you suckers bought is on stolen land (and thats based on your own laws that you cant live up too)and you tried your best to kill off my peoples. You see thats my truth this kind of article is how kneejerk america is I mean it was you people who voted with your revenge hate and look at what it got you.
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Posted by: baldo on Mar 29, 2008 8:02 AM
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I feel it is very arrogant of you, Matt, to call "dumb" the many of us who have very serious doubts and want a clean independent investigation on the suspicious events of 9/11.
Who do U think U are ?
Fascists, who do not accept or respect other people's points of view, usually act this way.
Alternatively, such behaviour is typical of people with obscure vested interests, or on someone's payroll.
Which one of the two categories do U belong to Matt ?
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Posted by: expat8 on Mar 29, 2008 8:38 AM
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The author mentioned how powerful squids are in their own element as well as how their fear response is instinctive (and involves themselves hiding in their own effluents!).
The response in nature is usually a response to a very real threat. In analyzing the recent gnats and mosquitoes of media-driven feeding frenzies and characterizing them as all essentially much ado about nothing, I think something has been missed: yes, the subject matter and the reactions, on the surface, are a little shallow, akin to mistaking turbulence on the surface for the almost unchanging calm of the ocean beneath. But that ocean is deep and vast and in this context the fear that is immediately evoked and which engenders the rapid response of so many of us bathing in our own effluent mind-chatter and self-serving outrage which was so richly portrayed in the article, that fear is of something very real.
I listened to the entire God Damn America sermon. I was uncomfortable about the HIV bit only. That link provided above was good to read and reminded me of other things like that I have read over the years. I am inclined to give potential credence to the notion that HIV is a partially man-made virus. Certainly this is possible and certainly the USG (and others) have done experimentation on humans in diabolical ways, so now Wright's HIV comment is at least reasonable on some level.
However, the reaction of fear to such statements deserves a deeper examination than this article gives. What is this fear? Partly it is the fear that the notion of America as a 'chosen nation', a 'good' nation and so forth is just a myth, a self-serving belief system.
This is why the author ducked on the 9/11 issue. Anyone who accepts the government party-line story about it, broadly delivered within hours of the event, is being willfully naive. But the author felt obliged to say this; why? Because he does not want to confront the deeper fear that Wright's (and others) incendiary comments invoke, namely that our society is not what it's cracked up to be. This threatens our ability to get up in the morning, put up with all the bullshit at work, keep believing in all this enough to keep striving to raise our children in a meaningful, good world.
Even though the reaction to such reminders may be frivolous as the author so skillfully pointed out, the underlying stimulus for that fear is of deep import.
I am not sure about Obama yet. I am getting the feeling that he is far more devious than he lets on but he also might be one of those rare politicians that is learning how to swim with the sharks but is a bona fide dolphin. He might actually be able to bring something new to the table. Not sure yet. But I am sure that if he can get through the nomination process and win the election that he will have deserved the right, as much as anyone, to be put to the test. And if the whole thing is totally corrupt as it well might be, then it doesn't really matter who gets elected anyway so no reason to get our knickers in a twist about it.
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Posted by: QCao009 on Mar 29, 2008 8:51 AM
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It's not alright to say others are racist when we do not acknowledge our own prejudice. When we are saying that Obama stops short, we cannot do the same.
I agree with you wholeheartedly that this is not about Rev Wright. It is about the moral vaccuum in our culture that evangelists have not filled by blaming it on liberals. It is about the fall of an education system that politicians, educators and businessmen have actually made worse by punishing American children and families with dumbing down testing. Most of all, it is about a culture of addiction, addiction to guns, to violence, to lust which confuse monotheism, pantheism and belief in a higher power with a morality which forgives just an inner clique and pardons all inhumanity committed against other human beings.
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Posted by: HughScott on Mar 29, 2008 8:55 AM
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Tell me many Obama critics aren't bigots, including the Clintons, despite their assertions to the contrary.
Hugh E. Scott, Vietnam vet, ex-USAF pilot, lifelong registered Republican, ARDENT Obama supporter and author of George Dub-ya Bush, THE PHONY FIGHTER PILOT, published in 2004.
To read a sample chapter and learn about the only smoking-gun proof of White House corruption ever found on the Web, visit www.PhonyFighterPilot.com.
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Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Mar 29, 2008 9:58 AM
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So, what causes this situation? The pressure to conform to an obedience standard begins in childhood (watch out for the authoritarian potty trainers!), proceeds through grade school with an emphasis on rote memorization for standardized tests, which is continued in high school, where the winnowing and tracking and ranking begins, with some leaving for blue-collar jobs, military service or vocational training, where they are taught to believe in their own inferiority, and the others going on to four-year colleges, where they are assured of their own superiority and put through further hoops of the carrot-and-stick variety.
If they pass that hurdle, they become low-to-mid level corporate employees, contently munching at their oats (or vying for promotions) - or they go on to professional and graduate school, where they learn, finally, that most of what they learned before was B.S., and had more to do with conditioning them to be workaholic employees and loyal consumers than with actually educating them... leading to high rates of cognitive dissonance, alcoholism and drug abuse in this last group, the "educated professionals."
The brainwashing and drugging of children was a common theme in both Soviet Russia and Nazi Germany, and now we're seeing its rise in the U.S. (ever since 1980, really). All totalitarian regimes want obedient subjects that do as they're told - and conditioning children is an obvious step for any Stalinist psychologist to take.
Some will claim that this notion is "conspiracy theory" - but really, it's more of an ingrained social mentality than a conspiracy: the lord who believes he rules by divine right or "survival of the fittest", and the peasant who accepts this situation as the unalterable natural order - the sovok.
There have been many American versions of the sovok. The corporate or government employee has a suite of non-controversial topics ready at hand - the TV show, the sports team, the concert, the party, the food, the gossip - as well as a set of easily classified and safe political opinions: "Pro-life", "pro-choice", "liberal", "conservative" - whatever, as long as it's on the list, and doesn't involve critical thinking. In this little world, there are no such things as lies - there are mistakes, there are misunderstandings, there are miscommunications and accidents and failures, but no one ever lies. Perish the thought.
Every sector of the U.S. has their own breed of sovok. Black America knows this all too well - just look at BET, or the Puff Daddies of hip hop: slick and smiling and subservient dandies, who certainly aren't angry about the history of racism and slavery in America, oh no! (Watch out for those ulcers, high blood pressure, heart attacks, drug abuse...) Oh, inside they might be furious, but they carefully maintain their happy, glib exterior. You smile too much, mister... it's starting to crack.
Then you've got your rural white blue-collar American, struggling to get by and more concerned about the opinion of the neighbors than anything else, really. The daily grind of work, the empty blather of the television, the six-pack of beer and little bottle of Oxycontin tablets - that's the culmination of the education program, right there.
The elitists have their sovoks as well - happy babblers like William Kristol and David Brooks, with their long-winded, profound and curiously self-congratulatory articles on the wonderfulness of Disneyland.
That's the American public for you: brainwashed, lied to and drugged up. It's like dealing with big, sleepy lizards. You have to taser them in order to wake them up quickly, but then they get all frantic and start biting anything within reach. The first thing to do is to get them off their medications - but you've gotta bring them down slowly, or all hell breaks loose.
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Posted by: Sojourner on Mar 29, 2008 10:04 AM
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I did a little bit for the civil rights movement in the '60s, but was unable to be comfortable with Malcolm X, in his Black Muslim days. Looking back, I think I have a good idea of how the critics of Wright's extremism feel. And looking back, I realize how squeeby I was.
It makes me uncomfortable when I see my well dressed Black Muslim brothers selling the Nation of Islam's newspaper on the street corner. I am one of those whities being blamed, and I am troubled by the guilt. Yet if there is one current civil rights effort I'd support, that's it. I hate all mindless racism. But since my only choice is between mindless white racism and mindless black racism (or look the other way) I find greater hope in the latter than the former.
Great piece of work. (I could do without the four-letter words, although they fit better here than is usually the case.)
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Posted by: cyit on Mar 29, 2008 10:05 AM
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Black oratory, or black preaching, has traditionally had elements of exaggeration, both in style and content. And Church folk, Black Church Folk, know this, and understand this.
Black expression is always about the flourish. that's why black athletes slam dunk what was designed by a white man to be a simple lay up.
Taken in isolation, and heard from the perspective of uninformed (ignorant) white journalists, black academicians, and the like; Dr. Jeremiah Wrights comments seem off base.
But in the context of traditional black preaching, Dr. Wright's comments are expressive of a deep suspicion of our government and lingering resentment over past and present wrongs (It is a historical fact that the U.S. governemnt intentionally inflicted black men with syphilis and watched them suffer).
The descendants of slaves have a multitude of historical grievances against whites and a white dominated government.
Informed black church folk got the message in the expression of the words, as much or more so than the words themselves. Read the history of coded messages in the songs of African slaves.
Black oral communication is full of codes and symbolism that we take for granted. We don't even think about it until whites dare to comment on and criticize that which they do not understand.
There is a Native American proverb that says: "Don't criticize a man until you've walked a mile in moccasins."
Another example of how whites are taking Dr. Wright out of context is that you must consider who Dr. Wright was talking to in that speech.
He was to talking to Black men and women who mostly were members of his Church or some other Black Church. The point is Dr. Wright was talking to family.
(It should be noted that the Black Church is vastly different from it's white brethren.)
That being true, it should remind all Americans; white, black, pink, and polka dot, of the things we say to one another (our families) behind closed doors at the dinner table, on the golf course, in car pools; when people who don't look like us aren't present.
The same talking heads (B. O'reilly, N. Gingrich, for example), now professing such indignation, are the same people, who when they're not in their pundit suits are party to racial slurs and remarks, or utter them themselves.
Everybody in America knows how this plays out in families around the dinner table.
Will these same white hypocrites repudiate Uncle Harry because of his oft uttered use of the "n" word?
Will they now demand that the family disown grandma when she loudly insists that blacks and other minorities are not as smart as whites?
When Don Imus let fall of his mouth the now famous "nappy headed hoes" remark, the only thing he was guilty of is being stupid enough to repeat things he has said and heard at the country club!
So, all these indignant, white, supposedly non-racists, particularly of the Christian persuasion, need to heed the words of that famous preacher who said, "He that is without sin cast the first stone."
Race relations have indeed come a long way since I was a child in the sixties. But white indignation over comments taken out of context, reflects the reality that this nation has yet, quite a ways to grow up.
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Posted by: GPFrank on Mar 29, 2008 12:53 PM
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When did the Rev. Wright mention this last and who is digging it up? But when does the Clergy ever respond to what is obviously bad science and repudiate previous statements uttered in the Church?
Of course it is up to responsible adults to respond to these weaknesses. Nevertheless what
is the main event in all of this when there is so much that has been done to Black folks?
How can one tell which is actual and which is only something wished in words on the minority?
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Posted by: YogiBear on Mar 29, 2008 2:32 PM
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Indeed, Matt. No one did that to anyone's grandfather. The U.S. government researches never injected anyone. But for 40 years, they did refuse to treat blacks thought to have syphilis, making them a "control group" without their permission. Considering the horrible nature of the disease, it was nothing short of demonic. But it's inaccurate to say they were "injected."
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Posted by: Suz on Mar 29, 2008 2:45 PM
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If you need further illustration of your point, please refer to the posters above who seem oblivious to the irony as they STILL bicker on about Obama's pastor.
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Posted by: Thebigkate on Mar 29, 2008 2:52 PM
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Keep your Cassandra spirit going, Matt! We need you desperately in this squeeby nation of sheep!
Kate Madison
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Posted by: herbal on Mar 29, 2008 5:05 PM
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In the process he alludes to infamous indignities and injustices and perhaps that is why he is unpopular with the neo-cons. They fear they will come home to roost also.
Take the time to view is video, the long and honest one.
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Posted by: rickiey on Mar 29, 2008 7:42 PM
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However, I'm still looking for a reason to despise Obama as well. I even turned on Rush Limbaugh for a half an hour (because that's all I could stand), and believe me, he tried his best to help.
But the fact is, Rev Wright is Obama's SPIRITUAL mentor. Ok, so he's the guy Barack turns to about religion. I couldn't care less; we don't exactly live in a theocracy. I felt the same way about Romney, to hell with his religion, I'm more concerned with "double guantanamo".
Is it just me, or does anyone else see blatant hypocrisy in analyzing the political views of a religious leader, and projecting them on a man who espouses not only different, but polar opposite political views?
If only there were some guiding document, somewhere, that made a suggestion about how poltics and religion were to be reconciled with each other...
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Posted by: lwbaby on Mar 29, 2008 8:30 PM
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In the privacy of the voting booth the dye is cast and white people, who are still the majority is this country, will not vote for a president whose spiritual mentor and, more importantly whose WIFE, is angry with them.
There is an unspoken but persistent little voice that says a President Obama may very well want to turn the tables on whites and see how we like it.
Each and every time Michelle Obama opens her mouth (that's America) that little voice gets louder and louder.
White people of all political persuations will vote for McCain before they vote for any angry Black family that they think might hurt them.
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Posted by: gillianr on Mar 29, 2008 10:12 PM
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We did have to deal with a real problem: Sept. 11. And look how that turned out.
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Posted by: samurai on Mar 30, 2008 12:22 AM
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White man sending armies of missionaries and ugly americans to educate the darkies and destroy their cultures and unique ways of life, only to be replaced by americana celluloid and jesus christ homogenization??? Why are they so mad at us!!!
White man, an angel of neo-colonization through brutal corporations, destroying third world economies through the IMF and economic hit men??? Colonialism ended 50 years ago, same as racism!!!
No wonder everyone hates America!!! Our actions speak louder than words.
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Posted by: talkville on Mar 30, 2008 1:01 AM
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Then there's the Half-Truth syndrome; the reflexive, knee-jerk reaction, nearly universal across the MSM and much of its 'net tributaries with this "Rev. Wright" byte is dismal and depressing evidence that we've got a long, long winding road to go yet. On the religious side, it seems that a deity is involved kind of like the Moon: one-sided; here we find a deity that, in it's careful and near-exclusive attention to the USA, is always content and never displeased, always blesses but never condemns, always positive and never negative. Truth itself torn in half: one half trusted the other not; one half hailed the other decried; one half loved the other despised. A country built, educated and functioning on half the truth.
Hegel pointed it out a long, long while ago: "the truth is in the Whole".
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Posted by: LeaderofMen on Mar 30, 2008 6:37 AM
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NO ONE has heard Obama state ANYTHING like what Wright has stated about how 'awful' the US is.
NO ONE.
NO ONE ever will because Obama doesn't think like that, talk like that or feel anything like that.
It's pretty obvious. Because there is no video or audio of any kind of Obama stating anything other than his love of the US.
If it were true that Obama has used Wright as his mentor (the way that detractors have used the word 'mentor' with respect to this issue) for politics or how he views the Constitution YOU and I would have heard Obama spouting nonsense on the campaign trail.
Obama has filled dozens and dozens of stadiums in dozens of states with hundreds of thousands of people for OVER a year.
There is not one sentence uttered by Obama that even remotely resembles the tiny minuscule soundbites that have rotated endlessly about Wright.
People? Anyone out there? I say again. Apparently not. Because if anyone has heard or seen Obama speak ill about the US then PRODUCE THE F**KING EVIDENCE OR SHUT THE F**K UP ALREADY.
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Posted by: Andie927 on Mar 30, 2008 8:17 AM
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Then let's go to: like the 9/11 conspiracy therorists, Gee, maybe if there had been a Complete Unhampered REAL Investigation, yea know, like at a crime scene??? Evidence perserved! Supenions issued!
NOW, for Rev. Wright: What ever he did in his life, doesn't give him the Right, to fan the flames of Racism, and Hate!!(against Whitie)
Yes, Racism like Life, is a two way street!!
Two: The Church you choose to go to, and who you listen to preach, are Personal choices! They should remain as such, EXCEPT: when a Presidential Candidate PUTS that preacher on his/or her campaign!! Which is what Barack Obama DID!!!
IF you reversed the situation, and a predominately White church, allowed this same speech against Black people, there would certainly be an Outcry!
We're back to the Two-Way Street! The Golden Rule! I don't want black people, holding what happen 100 years ago,(that I had no part in) over my head, and I won't hold them personally accountable for every Rape, Murder ect. every black person has committed against a white, over their head!! Tuskegee happened, so did Government sponsered experiments on White Orphan Boys in Mass., Soilders, exposed to radio-active fall-out! How about the ones given LSD without their knowledge?? These were White Americans! ALL of the avove was wrong!!
Can we start holding our Government Accountable for what it's doing wrong NOW!!!
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Posted by: lonl on Mar 30, 2008 9:07 AM
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However, I think you overlook (or possibly take the pose of overlooking) the fact that the media onslaught on people's minds is designed to promote exactly that - a methedrine-high-like flitting from subject to subject with an intense but transitory response. How better to keep people from achieving any kind of thoughtful analysis of the all too real problems our society faces, or of any programmatic approach to solving the major ones?
After all, under democracy for the rich, why give the ordinary person more than fig-leaf-quadrennial, circus-campaign elections? Having thus restricted participation, why provide an opportunity to actually think things through and possibly arrive at some solid conclusions? I'm afraid that's just not the media's job as things are constituted.
Rather, the job seems to be to blow up images somewhat related to the actual issues in a way that takes advantage of every possible division among the people, intentionally developing confusion while leaving any attempts to actually manage those issues in the hands of - who else? - the rich!
In these circumstances, about the best thing we can say is that the ruling class proves on a daily basis that, more and more, it can't manage issues, itself. More people just have to figure that one out for themselves, I feel. Any help in this effort, yours included, is much appreciated.
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Posted by: nfamous on Mar 30, 2008 1:54 PM
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Also there is gobs and gobs of physical evidence that the government perpetrated the attacks of 9/11.
Finally Rev. Wright did not tell people to sing "Goddamn America" that I heard. He just used it in that sermon. People don't understand that the word goddamn means "damned by god" in that context, not just some incendiary expletive. I know the person that wrote this article is white. White people just don't get it. They can't, they won't and they never will. It's not ok to live your life everyday as if everything is fine when nonwhites have to suffer and die all over this world because of your greed and racist fear. That is pure evil.
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Posted by: KaptainSpiffy on Apr 1, 2008 8:14 AM
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Squeeb 26 up, 7 down
Squeeb can be defined as a Nerd, a Loser, or anyone that is in that general area of people who are unliked.
"Josh Fishman has got to be the biggest squeeb I know"
by Chrzam Oct 26, 2004 email it
didn't invent the word, just another use of it
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The Clinton administration was nothing like the time America is witnessing today. Now, an endless war in Iraq or hundred years which do you prefer, uncharted economics paralleled to actions taken during the depression. A Federal Reserve that glows like the “Doctor Do Little Movie” we’ve never seen anything like this. Diesel now is more than gas.
And a Mainstream Media supporting all this as not too bad. This Bush era is just as good as the Clinton era discounting the four thousand combat troops killed in action in Iraq compared to almost none lost in Bosnia. Here the media only concerned that Hillary lied about sniper fire which is usually always true in a free fire zone no matter how many kids or civilians are in the back ground videos they were all warned. Hell everyone who goes to an American football game or political rally is exposed to a terrorist attack. Let alone the air field in some combat zone across the world.
For me, trying to find out more about Obama in his book “Audacity of Hope” Just about finished reading it. Here, it has many passages that are as controversial as his Reverend Wright friend although not talked about. This ideal that Obama is not Islamic or has absolutely no affinity to Islam is brought forward by Obama himself in the last chapter page 315.
Get this, Obama makes the claim that Islamic Law is the more traditional principles of social organization. Did you get that America.
Strikingly, other countries that reject American efforts should follow their own path turning to more traditional principles of social organization, like Islamic law.
Sheesh, Islamic law, more traditional principles of social organization. What happened to the Christian stuff???
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Posted by: carbon-based on Mar 27, 2008 3:37 PM
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I suspect that if the KKK came out in favor of McCain, the response would have drove him from the nomination. We seem to be taking it easy on Wright, his church and Obama.
Stop playing the black/white divide - racism is racism not matter how comfortably numb we are with ourselves!
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Posted by: cshendrix on Mar 27, 2008 4:05 PM
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Pastor Wright may not be correct in some of his statements, but he's been walking it like he talks it for years: serving in the Marine Corps, graduating valedictorian from Corpsman school in the Navy, preaching . He's given a great deal to the United States government, and he's got a right to criticize. He also has the responsibility to accept criticism of his positions. What's ridiculous is the fact that his views on AIDS, which are loony, are used to dismiss his other positions, which are much more defensible yet politically incorrect.
Meanwhile, the same media that works itself into a lather about his comments about US foreign policy doesn't seem to mind having been systematically lied to by the Bush administration in the run-up to the Iraq war, nor have they taken seriously the obvious fact that the 9/11 attacks were a response (disproportionate though it may have been) to US foreign policy in the Middle East.
Big media lost a ton of credibility leading up to, during, and following the US invasion of Iraq. The real chickens coming home to roost will be these same news editors and writers, forced to cover tabloid subjects and the sex lives of pop stars because they're no longer viewed as a legitimate source of actual information or informed comment.
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Posted by: ynguldyn on Mar 27, 2008 10:34 PM
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How interesting that you compare the current affairs in the U.S. with Sovok (in the second meaning of the word, the country). This parallel is something that is mentioned by Soviet emigrants in the U.S. more and more often. I personally have seen this country turn to all those oh so familiar ways over the last five or six years (9/11 was the trigger point, then it took about a year or so for the government and the unwashed mob to get moving in that direction). The only major difference I can point out is the much higher efficiency of the mechanisms used: there's no comparison between Fox News and Pravda.
And it is widely believed that the exclamation point in this transformation will be when Americans elect a septuagenarian with his mind half gone. Then you'll even have your own Brezhnev.
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Posted by: edh on Mar 28, 2008 1:31 AM
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Those who brush this off are obviously are not Jewish and it's ok for Obama to have set there for 20 years and listened to this racist propaganda?
It's not ok.
This shows moral judgment.
Oprah left that church after hearing this garbage and took a high moral road.
Obama was caught in a lie regarding all this.
First, he said he had never heard these sermons, then admitted he had & he sat silent!
He points his finger at Clinton for her war vote, claiming she showed bad judgment. Yet, he continued showing bad judgment for 20 years.
History has taught us you do indeed have to have the courage to stand for what is right.
Recall the saying "When they came to get the Jews I said nothing, when they came to get the Poles. When they came to get the homosexuals, the teachers, the intellectuals, the gypsies, I said nothing.
When they came to get me I realized, I was the only one left.
It took tremendous courage for some in Germany those many years ago. They stood up for what they believed and paid a high price.
Obama, who I used to support, has shown he has caved in to pressure from his own group, even in the face of terrible wrong.
Obama is a moral coward and we are fools if we put him in the White House.
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Posted by: jacksmith on Mar 28, 2008 1:39 AM
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Large numbers of Republicans have been voting for Barack Obama in the DEMOCRATIC primaries, and caucuses from early on. Because they feel he would be a weaker opponent against John McCain. And because they feel that a Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama ticket would be unbeatable. And also because with a Clinton and Obama ticket you are almost 100% certain to get quality, affordable universal health care very soon.
But first, all of you have to make certain that Hillary Clinton takes the democratic nomination and then the Whitehouse. NOW! is the time. THIS! is the moment you have all been working, and waiting for. You can do this America. “Carpe diem” (harvest the day).
I think Hillary Clinton see’s a beautiful world of plenty for all. She is a woman, and a mother. And it’s time America. Do this for your-self, and your children’s future. You will have to work together on this and be aggressive, relentless, and creative. Americans face an even worse catastrophe ahead than the one you are living through now.
Hillary Clinton has actually won by much larger margins than the vote totals showed. And lost by much smaller vote margins than the vote totals showed. Her delegate count is actually much higher than it shows. And higher than Obama’s. She also leads in the electoral college numbers that you must win to become President in the November national election. HILLARY CLINTON IS ALREADY THE TRUE DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE!
As much as 30% of Obama's primary, and caucus votes are Republicans trying to choose the weakest democratic candidate for McCain to run against. These Republicans have been gaming the caucuses where it is easier to vote cheat. This is why Obama has not been able to win the BIG! states primaries. Even with Republican vote cheating help.
Hillary Clinton has been out manned, out gunned, and out spent 2 and 3 to 1. Yet Obama has only been able to manage a very tenuous, and questionable tie with Hillary Clinton.
If Obama is the democratic nominee for the national election in November he will be slaughtered. Because the Republican vote cheating help will suddenly evaporate. All of this vote fraud and republican manipulation has made Obama falsely look like a much stronger candidate than he really is. YOUNG PEOPLE. DON’T BE DUPED! Think about it. You have the most to lose.
The democratic party needs to fix this outrage. I suggest a Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama ticket. Everyone needs to throw all your support to Hillary Clinton NOW! So you can end this outrage against YOU the voter, and against democracy.
I think Barack Obama has a once in a life time chance to make the ultimate historic gesture for unity, and change in America by accepting Hillary Clinton’s offer as running mate. Such an act now would for ever seal Barack Obama’s place at the top of the list of Americas all time great leaders, and unifiers for all of history.
The democratic party, and the super-delegates have a decision to make. Are the democrats, and the democratic party going to choose the DEMOCRATIC party nominee to fight for the American people. Or are the republicans going to choose the DEMOCRATIC party nominee through vote fraud, and gaming the DEMOCRATIC party primaries, and caucuses.
Fortunately the Clinton’s have been able to hold on against this fraudulent outrage with those repeated dramatic comebacks of Hillary Clinton’s. Only the Clinton’s are that resourceful, and strong. Hillary Clinton is your NOMINEE. They are the best I have ever seen.
Sincerely
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Posted by: revrmaury on Mar 28, 2008 4:28 PM
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Posted by: AsteroidMiner on Mar 28, 2008 9:13 PM
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$200,000 per year." Exactly as I have been saying: Preachers
are charlatans. Religion is a business. A FRAUDULENT
business. There is no truth whatever in any bible, Koran or other
"holy" book. There is no reason to "be awake" during a sermon
because preachers rarely say anything at all. Preachers speak
"word salad," which is meaningless nonsense unrelated to reality.
When they do say something that can be given a meaning, it is
wrong. Religion is caused by mental illness, propagandization,
lack of education and stupidity. Going to church is required of
politicians in this country because religion is pandemic in this
country. People got upset about what Jeremiah Wright said
because of their own mental limitations and emotional problems.
"At a time when the IRS is investigating the UCC for using the
church as a political tool and threatening our tax-exemption,
Jeremiah's brand of political rhetoric from the pulpit will only
strengthen the IRS case." I certainly hope so. A bit of taxation
might help cut down on the problem religion is. Since religion is
a business, religion should be taxed as such. Religion is
strangling education, especially science education, for example in
Kansas.
"In Jesus the people recognized the authority of power" Most
people are not smart enough to overcome their chimpanzee
instinct to organize society into Alpha, Beta and Charley, or King,
nobility and commoner. [Yes, the human race is a race of
chimpanzees.] That is why George W. Bush is getting away with
turning the presidency into a monarchy.
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Posted by: Doubtom on Mar 28, 2008 10:04 PM
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I heard Wright's sermon and I didn't spot one lie---can we say this about anything said by either IdiotBush or RabidCheney?
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Posted by: surfreality on Mar 29, 2008 3:59 AM
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The American squeeb tends to squirt red, white and blue at any topic of conversation that requires reflection.
On another note; I'm a little shocked that the 9/11 Truthers haven't besieged this forum as of yet... I know it's just a matter of time before the "more radical than thou" squeeb ink begins to cloud up the discussion...
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Posted by: bc430 on Mar 29, 2008 5:59 AM
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Get the DOD definition of Chemical and Biological Weapons and their deployment.
1. Our Biological weapons include Viruses.
2. "These weapons shall be used to maime or kill man, his domestic animals and crops."
All veterans aren't still brainwashed or brain dead. Some even believe that it is the patriotic thing to do to alert their countrymen when their government and it's military capabilities are seized by Fascist criminals. Jeremiah is a decorated US. Marine Vietnam Vet. Would'nt it be a shame if he has enough medical, military and theological knowledge to know that God did not curse White male homosexuals in San Fransisco, then heterosexuals and IV drug users in Harlem, then the Angolian army and then the continent of Africa and now people of color all over the planet. Why did God spare other sinners? How did the virus leap from San Fran to Harlem?
Eastern Europeans were caught infecting Libyan Children and imprisoned. Next we knew Libya is off the Terrorist list and the Euro med team are quietly released from prison and back home.
Demonize, marginalize and isolate Dr. Jeremiah A.Wright Jr. and other "CONSPIRACY REPORTERS" Turn public opinion against them, and banish them from the community like the character in Plato's cave.
"Conspiracy Reporters." Don't you agree that's a more sensible term than Conspiracy theorists? It serves the goal of conspirators and gives them perfect cover if they can turn their factual dirty deeds into "therory" and fuzz up the minds of the masses. Serves kind of like a smoke screen.
Things, they are A-Changing.
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Posted by: PJAW on Mar 29, 2008 6:31 AM
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Obama's response was measured, calm and impressed me as being both sincere and honest.
Hillary, on the other hand, has been lying her ass off, and if you haven't caught her, you haven't been paying attention.
McCain? Completely used up, out of touch and so enamored with himself and the possibility of being President that he will say or do anything to make that real. A hero!?! I respect anyone who places him or herself in harm's way in the defense of family, home and counry, but think hard and remember, that's not what Viet Nam was about. Dropping bombs from thousands of feet in the air isn't exactly warrior like. And remember, he denounced the USA and what he was doing (under torture, which he now advocates for others). No thanks.
There are no true progressives left in the race that have any shot at all, but Obama comes closest, and at least appears to have a sympathetic ear. But who knows, it seems you simply cannot overestimate the ignorance of the American people. I wouldn't be totally shocked if Pat Robertson won a write-in campaign.
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Posted by: The Big Raven on Mar 29, 2008 7:05 AM
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And as far as america and africa and aids the truth of the matter is that american drug companies are trying to bleed as much money from these poor countries by refusing to sell generic drugs that they can afford so in a word by refusing real help we are spreading the sickness of greed and killing at the same time.
And some of the comments are just stupid I read these everyday and I see the same people whinning and complaining about israel and how they are ripping off the Palistinians and stealing thier land and lives all the while never even carring that your house and the land you suckers bought is on stolen land (and thats based on your own laws that you cant live up too)and you tried your best to kill off my peoples. You see thats my truth this kind of article is how kneejerk america is I mean it was you people who voted with your revenge hate and look at what it got you.
Peace is not for chickens
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I feel it is very arrogant of you, Matt, to call "dumb" the many of us who have very serious doubts and want a clean independent investigation on the suspicious events of 9/11.
Who do U think U are ?
Fascists, who do not accept or respect other people's points of view, usually act this way.
Alternatively, such behaviour is typical of people with obscure vested interests, or on someone's payroll.
Which one of the two categories do U belong to Matt ?
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Posted by: expat8 on Mar 29, 2008 8:38 AM
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The author mentioned how powerful squids are in their own element as well as how their fear response is instinctive (and involves themselves hiding in their own effluents!).
The response in nature is usually a response to a very real threat. In analyzing the recent gnats and mosquitoes of media-driven feeding frenzies and characterizing them as all essentially much ado about nothing, I think something has been missed: yes, the subject matter and the reactions, on the surface, are a little shallow, akin to mistaking turbulence on the surface for the almost unchanging calm of the ocean beneath. But that ocean is deep and vast and in this context the fear that is immediately evoked and which engenders the rapid response of so many of us bathing in our own effluent mind-chatter and self-serving outrage which was so richly portrayed in the article, that fear is of something very real.
I listened to the entire God Damn America sermon. I was uncomfortable about the HIV bit only. That link provided above was good to read and reminded me of other things like that I have read over the years. I am inclined to give potential credence to the notion that HIV is a partially man-made virus. Certainly this is possible and certainly the USG (and others) have done experimentation on humans in diabolical ways, so now Wright's HIV comment is at least reasonable on some level.
However, the reaction of fear to such statements deserves a deeper examination than this article gives. What is this fear? Partly it is the fear that the notion of America as a 'chosen nation', a 'good' nation and so forth is just a myth, a self-serving belief system.
This is why the author ducked on the 9/11 issue. Anyone who accepts the government party-line story about it, broadly delivered within hours of the event, is being willfully naive. But the author felt obliged to say this; why? Because he does not want to confront the deeper fear that Wright's (and others) incendiary comments invoke, namely that our society is not what it's cracked up to be. This threatens our ability to get up in the morning, put up with all the bullshit at work, keep believing in all this enough to keep striving to raise our children in a meaningful, good world.
Even though the reaction to such reminders may be frivolous as the author so skillfully pointed out, the underlying stimulus for that fear is of deep import.
I am not sure about Obama yet. I am getting the feeling that he is far more devious than he lets on but he also might be one of those rare politicians that is learning how to swim with the sharks but is a bona fide dolphin. He might actually be able to bring something new to the table. Not sure yet. But I am sure that if he can get through the nomination process and win the election that he will have deserved the right, as much as anyone, to be put to the test. And if the whole thing is totally corrupt as it well might be, then it doesn't really matter who gets elected anyway so no reason to get our knickers in a twist about it.
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Posted by: QCao009 on Mar 29, 2008 8:51 AM
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It's not alright to say others are racist when we do not acknowledge our own prejudice. When we are saying that Obama stops short, we cannot do the same.
I agree with you wholeheartedly that this is not about Rev Wright. It is about the moral vaccuum in our culture that evangelists have not filled by blaming it on liberals. It is about the fall of an education system that politicians, educators and businessmen have actually made worse by punishing American children and families with dumbing down testing. Most of all, it is about a culture of addiction, addiction to guns, to violence, to lust which confuse monotheism, pantheism and belief in a higher power with a morality which forgives just an inner clique and pardons all inhumanity committed against other human beings.
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Posted by: HughScott on Mar 29, 2008 8:55 AM
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Tell me many Obama critics aren't bigots, including the Clintons, despite their assertions to the contrary.
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To read a sample chapter and learn about the only smoking-gun proof of White House corruption ever found on the Web, visit www.PhonyFighterPilot.com.
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Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Mar 29, 2008 9:58 AM
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So, what causes this situation? The pressure to conform to an obedience standard begins in childhood (watch out for the authoritarian potty trainers!), proceeds through grade school with an emphasis on rote memorization for standardized tests, which is continued in high school, where the winnowing and tracking and ranking begins, with some leaving for blue-collar jobs, military service or vocational training, where they are taught to believe in their own inferiority, and the others going on to four-year colleges, where they are assured of their own superiority and put through further hoops of the carrot-and-stick variety.
If they pass that hurdle, they become low-to-mid level corporate employees, contently munching at their oats (or vying for promotions) - or they go on to professional and graduate school, where they learn, finally, that most of what they learned before was B.S., and had more to do with conditioning them to be workaholic employees and loyal consumers than with actually educating them... leading to high rates of cognitive dissonance, alcoholism and drug abuse in this last group, the "educated professionals."
The brainwashing and drugging of children was a common theme in both Soviet Russia and Nazi Germany, and now we're seeing its rise in the U.S. (ever since 1980, really). All totalitarian regimes want obedient subjects that do as they're told - and conditioning children is an obvious step for any Stalinist psychologist to take.
Some will claim that this notion is "conspiracy theory" - but really, it's more of an ingrained social mentality than a conspiracy: the lord who believes he rules by divine right or "survival of the fittest", and the peasant who accepts this situation as the unalterable natural order - the sovok.
There have been many American versions of the sovok. The corporate or government employee has a suite of non-controversial topics ready at hand - the TV show, the sports team, the concert, the party, the food, the gossip - as well as a set of easily classified and safe political opinions: "Pro-life", "pro-choice", "liberal", "conservative" - whatever, as long as it's on the list, and doesn't involve critical thinking. In this little world, there are no such things as lies - there are mistakes, there are misunderstandings, there are miscommunications and accidents and failures, but no one ever lies. Perish the thought.
Every sector of the U.S. has their own breed of sovok. Black America knows this all too well - just look at BET, or the Puff Daddies of hip hop: slick and smiling and subservient dandies, who certainly aren't angry about the history of racism and slavery in America, oh no! (Watch out for those ulcers, high blood pressure, heart attacks, drug abuse...) Oh, inside they might be furious, but they carefully maintain their happy, glib exterior. You smile too much, mister... it's starting to crack.
Then you've got your rural white blue-collar American, struggling to get by and more concerned about the opinion of the neighbors than anything else, really. The daily grind of work, the empty blather of the television, the six-pack of beer and little bottle of Oxycontin tablets - that's the culmination of the education program, right there.
The elitists have their sovoks as well - happy babblers like William Kristol and David Brooks, with their long-winded, profound and curiously self-congratulatory articles on the wonderfulness of Disneyland.
That's the American public for you: brainwashed, lied to and drugged up. It's like dealing with big, sleepy lizards. You have to taser them in order to wake them up quickly, but then they get all frantic and start biting anything within reach. The first thing to do is to get them off their medications - but you've gotta bring them down slowly, or all hell breaks loose.
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Posted by: Sojourner on Mar 29, 2008 10:04 AM
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I did a little bit for the civil rights movement in the '60s, but was unable to be comfortable with Malcolm X, in his Black Muslim days. Looking back, I think I have a good idea of how the critics of Wright's extremism feel. And looking back, I realize how squeeby I was.
It makes me uncomfortable when I see my well dressed Black Muslim brothers selling the Nation of Islam's newspaper on the street corner. I am one of those whities being blamed, and I am troubled by the guilt. Yet if there is one current civil rights effort I'd support, that's it. I hate all mindless racism. But since my only choice is between mindless white racism and mindless black racism (or look the other way) I find greater hope in the latter than the former.
Great piece of work. (I could do without the four-letter words, although they fit better here than is usually the case.)
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Posted by: cyit on Mar 29, 2008 10:05 AM
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Black oratory, or black preaching, has traditionally had elements of exaggeration, both in style and content. And Church folk, Black Church Folk, know this, and understand this.
Black expression is always about the flourish. that's why black athletes slam dunk what was designed by a white man to be a simple lay up.
Taken in isolation, and heard from the perspective of uninformed (ignorant) white journalists, black academicians, and the like; Dr. Jeremiah Wrights comments seem off base.
But in the context of traditional black preaching, Dr. Wright's comments are expressive of a deep suspicion of our government and lingering resentment over past and present wrongs (It is a historical fact that the U.S. governemnt intentionally inflicted black men with syphilis and watched them suffer).
The descendants of slaves have a multitude of historical grievances against whites and a white dominated government.
Informed black church folk got the message in the expression of the words, as much or more so than the words themselves. Read the history of coded messages in the songs of African slaves.
Black oral communication is full of codes and symbolism that we take for granted. We don't even think about it until whites dare to comment on and criticize that which they do not understand.
There is a Native American proverb that says: "Don't criticize a man until you've walked a mile in moccasins."
Another example of how whites are taking Dr. Wright out of context is that you must consider who Dr. Wright was talking to in that speech.
He was to talking to Black men and women who mostly were members of his Church or some other Black Church. The point is Dr. Wright was talking to family.
(It should be noted that the Black Church is vastly different from it's white brethren.)
That being true, it should remind all Americans; white, black, pink, and polka dot, of the things we say to one another (our families) behind closed doors at the dinner table, on the golf course, in car pools; when people who don't look like us aren't present.
The same talking heads (B. O'reilly, N. Gingrich, for example), now professing such indignation, are the same people, who when they're not in their pundit suits are party to racial slurs and remarks, or utter them themselves.
Everybody in America knows how this plays out in families around the dinner table.
Will these same white hypocrites repudiate Uncle Harry because of his oft uttered use of the "n" word?
Will they now demand that the family disown grandma when she loudly insists that blacks and other minorities are not as smart as whites?
When Don Imus let fall of his mouth the now famous "nappy headed hoes" remark, the only thing he was guilty of is being stupid enough to repeat things he has said and heard at the country club!
So, all these indignant, white, supposedly non-racists, particularly of the Christian persuasion, need to heed the words of that famous preacher who said, "He that is without sin cast the first stone."
Race relations have indeed come a long way since I was a child in the sixties. But white indignation over comments taken out of context, reflects the reality that this nation has yet, quite a ways to grow up.
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Posted by: GPFrank on Mar 29, 2008 12:53 PM
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When did the Rev. Wright mention this last and who is digging it up? But when does the Clergy ever respond to what is obviously bad science and repudiate previous statements uttered in the Church?
Of course it is up to responsible adults to respond to these weaknesses. Nevertheless what
is the main event in all of this when there is so much that has been done to Black folks?
How can one tell which is actual and which is only something wished in words on the minority?
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Posted by: YogiBear on Mar 29, 2008 2:32 PM
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Indeed, Matt. No one did that to anyone's grandfather. The U.S. government researches never injected anyone. But for 40 years, they did refuse to treat blacks thought to have syphilis, making them a "control group" without their permission. Considering the horrible nature of the disease, it was nothing short of demonic. But it's inaccurate to say they were "injected."
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Posted by: Suz on Mar 29, 2008 2:45 PM
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If you need further illustration of your point, please refer to the posters above who seem oblivious to the irony as they STILL bicker on about Obama's pastor.
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Posted by: Thebigkate on Mar 29, 2008 2:52 PM
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Keep your Cassandra spirit going, Matt! We need you desperately in this squeeby nation of sheep!
Kate Madison
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Posted by: herbal on Mar 29, 2008 5:05 PM
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In the process he alludes to infamous indignities and injustices and perhaps that is why he is unpopular with the neo-cons. They fear they will come home to roost also.
Take the time to view is video, the long and honest one.
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Posted by: rickiey on Mar 29, 2008 7:42 PM
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However, I'm still looking for a reason to despise Obama as well. I even turned on Rush Limbaugh for a half an hour (because that's all I could stand), and believe me, he tried his best to help.
But the fact is, Rev Wright is Obama's SPIRITUAL mentor. Ok, so he's the guy Barack turns to about religion. I couldn't care less; we don't exactly live in a theocracy. I felt the same way about Romney, to hell with his religion, I'm more concerned with "double guantanamo".
Is it just me, or does anyone else see blatant hypocrisy in analyzing the political views of a religious leader, and projecting them on a man who espouses not only different, but polar opposite political views?
If only there were some guiding document, somewhere, that made a suggestion about how poltics and religion were to be reconciled with each other...
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Posted by: lwbaby on Mar 29, 2008 8:30 PM
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In the privacy of the voting booth the dye is cast and white people, who are still the majority is this country, will not vote for a president whose spiritual mentor and, more importantly whose WIFE, is angry with them.
There is an unspoken but persistent little voice that says a President Obama may very well want to turn the tables on whites and see how we like it.
Each and every time Michelle Obama opens her mouth (that's America) that little voice gets louder and louder.
White people of all political persuations will vote for McCain before they vote for any angry Black family that they think might hurt them.
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Posted by: gillianr on Mar 29, 2008 10:12 PM
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We did have to deal with a real problem: Sept. 11. And look how that turned out.
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Posted by: samurai on Mar 30, 2008 12:22 AM
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White man sending armies of missionaries and ugly americans to educate the darkies and destroy their cultures and unique ways of life, only to be replaced by americana celluloid and jesus christ homogenization??? Why are they so mad at us!!!
White man, an angel of neo-colonization through brutal corporations, destroying third world economies through the IMF and economic hit men??? Colonialism ended 50 years ago, same as racism!!!
No wonder everyone hates America!!! Our actions speak louder than words.
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Posted by: talkville on Mar 30, 2008 1:01 AM
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Then there's the Half-Truth syndrome; the reflexive, knee-jerk reaction, nearly universal across the MSM and much of its 'net tributaries with this "Rev. Wright" byte is dismal and depressing evidence that we've got a long, long winding road to go yet. On the religious side, it seems that a deity is involved kind of like the Moon: one-sided; here we find a deity that, in it's careful and near-exclusive attention to the USA, is always content and never displeased, always blesses but never condemns, always positive and never negative. Truth itself torn in half: one half trusted the other not; one half hailed the other decried; one half loved the other despised. A country built, educated and functioning on half the truth.
Hegel pointed it out a long, long while ago: "the truth is in the Whole".
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Posted by: LeaderofMen on Mar 30, 2008 6:37 AM
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NO ONE has heard Obama state ANYTHING like what Wright has stated about how 'awful' the US is.
NO ONE.
NO ONE ever will because Obama doesn't think like that, talk like that or feel anything like that.
It's pretty obvious. Because there is no video or audio of any kind of Obama stating anything other than his love of the US.
If it were true that Obama has used Wright as his mentor (the way that detractors have used the word 'mentor' with respect to this issue) for politics or how he views the Constitution YOU and I would have heard Obama spouting nonsense on the campaign trail.
Obama has filled dozens and dozens of stadiums in dozens of states with hundreds of thousands of people for OVER a year.
There is not one sentence uttered by Obama that even remotely resembles the tiny minuscule soundbites that have rotated endlessly about Wright.
People? Anyone out there? I say again. Apparently not. Because if anyone has heard or seen Obama speak ill about the US then PRODUCE THE F**KING EVIDENCE OR SHUT THE F**K UP ALREADY.
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Posted by: Andie927 on Mar 30, 2008 8:17 AM
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Then let's go to: like the 9/11 conspiracy therorists, Gee, maybe if there had been a Complete Unhampered REAL Investigation, yea know, like at a crime scene??? Evidence perserved! Supenions issued!
NOW, for Rev. Wright: What ever he did in his life, doesn't give him the Right, to fan the flames of Racism, and Hate!!(against Whitie)
Yes, Racism like Life, is a two way street!!
Two: The Church you choose to go to, and who you listen to preach, are Personal choices! They should remain as such, EXCEPT: when a Presidential Candidate PUTS that preacher on his/or her campaign!! Which is what Barack Obama DID!!!
IF you reversed the situation, and a predominately White church, allowed this same speech against Black people, there would certainly be an Outcry!
We're back to the Two-Way Street! The Golden Rule! I don't want black people, holding what happen 100 years ago,(that I had no part in) over my head, and I won't hold them personally accountable for every Rape, Murder ect. every black person has committed against a white, over their head!! Tuskegee happened, so did Government sponsered experiments on White Orphan Boys in Mass., Soilders, exposed to radio-active fall-out! How about the ones given LSD without their knowledge?? These were White Americans! ALL of the avove was wrong!!
Can we start holding our Government Accountable for what it's doing wrong NOW!!!
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Posted by: lonl on Mar 30, 2008 9:07 AM
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However, I think you overlook (or possibly take the pose of overlooking) the fact that the media onslaught on people's minds is designed to promote exactly that - a methedrine-high-like flitting from subject to subject with an intense but transitory response. How better to keep people from achieving any kind of thoughtful analysis of the all too real problems our society faces, or of any programmatic approach to solving the major ones?
After all, under democracy for the rich, why give the ordinary person more than fig-leaf-quadrennial, circus-campaign elections? Having thus restricted participation, why provide an opportunity to actually think things through and possibly arrive at some solid conclusions? I'm afraid that's just not the media's job as things are constituted.
Rather, the job seems to be to blow up images somewhat related to the actual issues in a way that takes advantage of every possible division among the people, intentionally developing confusion while leaving any attempts to actually manage those issues in the hands of - who else? - the rich!
In these circumstances, about the best thing we can say is that the ruling class proves on a daily basis that, more and more, it can't manage issues, itself. More people just have to figure that one out for themselves, I feel. Any help in this effort, yours included, is much appreciated.
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Posted by: nfamous on Mar 30, 2008 1:54 PM
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Also there is gobs and gobs of physical evidence that the government perpetrated the attacks of 9/11.
Finally Rev. Wright did not tell people to sing "Goddamn America" that I heard. He just used it in that sermon. People don't understand that the word goddamn means "damned by god" in that context, not just some incendiary expletive. I know the person that wrote this article is white. White people just don't get it. They can't, they won't and they never will. It's not ok to live your life everyday as if everything is fine when nonwhites have to suffer and die all over this world because of your greed and racist fear. That is pure evil.
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Posted by: Jeanne on Mar 30, 2008 4:46 PM
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Posted by: Digital Gentleman on Mar 31, 2008 5:13 PM
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Posted by: KaptainSpiffy on Apr 1, 2008 8:14 AM
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Squeeb 26 up, 7 down
Squeeb can be defined as a Nerd, a Loser, or anyone that is in that general area of people who are unliked.
"Josh Fishman has got to be the biggest squeeb I know"
by Chrzam Oct 26, 2004 email it
didn't invent the word, just another use of it
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Posted by: joze46 on Apr 2, 2008 1:23 PM
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The Clinton administration was nothing like the time America is witnessing today. Now, an endless war in Iraq or hundred years which do you prefer, uncharted economics paralleled to actions taken during the depression. A Federal Reserve that glows like the “Doctor Do Little Movie” we’ve never seen anything like this. Diesel now is more than gas.
And a Mainstream Media supporting all this as not too bad. This Bush era is just as good as the Clinton era discounting the four thousand combat troops killed in action in Iraq compared to almost none lost in Bosnia. Here the media only concerned that Hillary lied about sniper fire which is usually always true in a free fire zone no matter how many kids or civilians are in the back ground videos they were all warned. Hell everyone who goes to an American football game or political rally is exposed to a terrorist attack. Let alone the air field in some combat zone across the world.
For me, trying to find out more about Obama in his book “Audacity of Hope” Just about finished reading it. Here, it has many passages that are as controversial as his Reverend Wright friend although not talked about. This ideal that Obama is not Islamic or has absolutely no affinity to Islam is brought forward by Obama himself in the last chapter page 315.
Get this, Obama makes the claim that Islamic Law is the more traditional principles of social organization. Did you get that America.
Strikingly, other countries that reject American efforts should follow their own path turning to more traditional principles of social organization, like Islamic law.
Sheesh, Islamic law, more traditional principles of social organization. What happened to the Christian stuff???
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