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Obama Offers a Progressive Vision of Patriotism
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But then, for 45 minutes, I saw a man who for days had appeared somewhat at sea, buffeted by waves that relentlessly pushed him off course, seem to find his compass and chart a course directly into the eye of the storm. I saw a man with the inner confidence, and the steadiness of a captain who knew he was sailing on uncharted waters but needed to go there anyway, take the nation with him and land them safely on the shore.
The pundits were clearly stunned. They knew they had witnessed something extraordinary, a moment when time seemed to stand still and a politician in the midst of a withering electoral storm did the unspeakable: he spoke the truth. The unspoken, unspeakable truth. He told the nation that he understood what was happening in white barber shops and black barber shops, around white water coolers and black water coolers, and that we are neither free from our prejudices nor merely prejudiced in our respective grievances, and that in both our prejudices and our grievances, we have more in common than we know.
With the exception of commentators who pride themselves on their bigotry, the speech drew immediate, nearly universal acclaim, and I suspect that its lasting impact will mirror its initial impact. But as the great French sociologist Emil Durkheim described it, we live our lives in the realm of the profane, punctuated by moments of sanctity, only to return again to everyday life. And by nightfall, as I listened to reports of the speech on television, many of the talking heads had returned to the realm of the literal, the crass, and the profane: Did he distance himself enough from Reverend Wright? Did he condemn his former pastor enough to reassure white voters?
But the speech wasn't about Reverend Wright, even though the controversy surrounding pieces of his sermons was the impetus for it. Obama delivered a message that spoke to the conflicts and contradictions around race that have existed since the earliest days of this nation, and he delivered it in a personal way that spoke to his own history and his own complex response to his pastor's messages over many years. The speech brought to mind a passage written by the psychoanalyst Erik Erikson a half century ago in his psychobiography of Martin Luther, which could just as easily have been written last night. Erikson was describing that ineffable quality we call charisma, and the way an individual life history sometimes converges with the historical moment: "Now and again," Erikson wrote, "an individual is called upon (called upon by whom, only theologians claim to know, and by what only bad psychologists)," to lift his personal conflicts to the level of cultural conflicts, "and to try to solve for all what he could not solve for himself alone."
Obama clearly hadn't wanted to make this election about race. But the events of the last week led him to do what the nation has long needed to do: to have the kind of open conversation about race that Republicans have avoided because they've preferred to exploit it and Democrats have avoided because they've tended to fear it. We can't solve problems we can't talk about, and our better angels on race tend to be our conscious values. As numerous commentators described it, Obama led us to our better angels.
But from a political standpoint, at least as important as the primary message of his speech was a series of meta-messages he conveyed as much through his actions as his words. Obama's speech was in many respects a rejoinder to a number of questions raised about him over the last few weeks that contributed to defeats in Ohio and Texas.
Is he a moving orator who speaks pretty lines but lacks substance? No one can seriously ask that question today, after Obama offered the most eloquent, intellectually penetrating, and most moving description of the complexities of race in America of any politician in recent history. But he did more than talk about race. He began to build a progressive narrative that Democrats, and the progressive movement more broadly, have had difficulty developing. He offered a progressive vision of patriotism, integrating a more traditional view -- referring to his grandfather's service under General Patton, and the military service of Reverend Wright -- with the notion that love of country is not blind love, that forming a more perfect union -- the essence of progressivism -- is part of what it means to love one's country.
Does he have the courage, capacity, and cojones to lead? Yesterday, he led us as a nation, and he showed a firm, steady, and unflinching hand. Not only did he utter words most Democratic politicians don't speak in polite company but should have spoken years ago, but he refused to take the low road -- to denounce and cast aside someone who clearly matters dearly to him simply because he had become a political liability -- displaying both courage and conviction.
Is he really a Muslim, not just foreign but an "Islamo-fascist" in sheep's clothing? No one listening to his speech could come away with anything but the message that he is not only a Christian but a person who takes his faith seriously. He spoke of how Reverend Wright had "helped introduce me to my Christian faith" and baptized his children, and how he had preached about the importance of "doing God's work here on earth." Yet he condemned his former pastor for seeing "the conflicts in the Middle East as rooted primarily in the actions of stalwart allies like Israel, instead of emanating from the perverse and hateful ideologies of radical Islam."
And time will tell if he answered one last question: Can he win the respect, and ultimately the votes, of white males, and particularly working class males, in states like Ohio and Pennsylvania? I suspect his speech may have reopened a dialog with, if not the minds of, the kinds of voters he had won over in states like Wisconsin but began to lose for a number of reasons: Hillary Clinton's obvious command of economic issues in a time of increasing economic desperation, the fact that voters associate the Clinton name with eight years of economic growth between two disastrous Bushes, and Obama's resistance to swinging back when his opponent was throwing punches, which voters (particularly male voters) tend to take as a sign of weakness. But the meaning of Obama's loyalty to his pastor in the face of enormous pressure to cast him aside is not likely to be lost on white males who value strength, courage, honor, and loyalty. Nor is an aspect of his life story many Americans may not have known, about the role played by his two white working-class grandparents in his upbringing; or his criticism of the failures of fatherhood in the inner cities; or his willingness to speak openly about the seething resentments of the millions of white men who punch a time card every day, feel increasingly unable to provide for their families as the price of gas skyrockets and heath care moves beyond their reach, and who don't view themselves as all that privileged.
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Posted by: skizum on Mar 21, 2008 1:46 AM
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While race relations are a critical issue to address in an honest fashion there is a much more fundamental issue at the root of the problem; Human Nature. This is the topic that we urgently need to understand and learn to effective deal with. There are many truths relating to our human nature and nurture, that when exposed, can contribute in very real ways to our re-examination of self and, in turn, impact the future path of human civilization.
Human nature is inescapable and fundamentally at the root of solving so many of the world’s problems. We find ourselves at an important crossroad of having longer life spans, better ways to control disease, more leisure time, instantaneous global communication and a wealth of recorded history of human experiment… VS …the ability to destroy ourselves very quickly or a bit slower, a path that we are currently and predictably on.
Allow me to broadly de-construct this issue a bit…Why do we have an aggressively growing gap between haves and have-nots nationally and globally? Why do we fight wars over resources? Why do the elite power brokers manipulate and deceive to consolidate more power? Why do employers cut benefits to raise their own profits? Why is the one economic scam or bubble bursting after another in increasing frequency?
I could go on asking 100 more similar questions and there will be a common answer to them all. These practices stem from one of most primal motivations integral to not only to human nature but animal nature as well…The need to dominate.
Most mammals establish social order through dominance. Let’s use the example of gorillas for the moment. The dominant alpha male establishes dominance through brute force so that he can have controlling access to territory, food, water, mating preference and so on. You can substitute many specific mammals into this model including humans.
In the case of humans, we have a much more developed sense of intellect, communication and technology to create many layers of complexity to camouflage our primal drive to dominate. Not only do we gain power through the enhanced brute force of armaments but we have developed languages which can be grossly malleable in meaning and rationale, susceptible to manipulation and control.
It is important for me to note that the need to dominate is not the only part of human nature we need to pay attention to but it certainly is a good place to start. There are many other specific behavioral elements of the human condition that are common to us all.
We need to put a greater effort into identifying, verifying, disseminating an understanding of, assessing our individual and societal balance of the funamental elements of our own human nature. In effect, we need to come clean with reality and utilize our intellect and survival instinct to overcome our need to dominate as individuals.
I am proposing a broad based participatory project called the Universal Humane Needs Assessment that may be able to catalyze a massive shift in consciousness we so desperately need not just here in America but the whole world over...
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» humans and other creatures learn by discriminating
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» Discrimination Can be Made Positive
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» oh yeah?
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» KaptainSpiffy, this makes NO sense
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» no, that would be you
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» Take a good long look in the mirror, MrSpiffy
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» it's Kaptain, to YOU
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» Until you can show TRUE leadership instead of parroting nonsense
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» OK, OK, OK....
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» pfft! like that will happen
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Posted by: carbon-based on Mar 21, 2008 2:53 AM
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I had written Obama off after the Wright issue because Wright represents and perpetuates one of the fundamental problems in this country, racism. He strives, in his black separatist church, to remind blacks that they are different than whites and to practice racism. Where is Al Sharpton's voice. did he spend it on the Imus issue.
Well, after the speech, I again had hope for Obama, well delivered and a stirring message. But then I noticed something that many seem to miss.. He lied about hearing his pastor make those horrible rants throughout the 20 years at the church. He glossed over that one pretty quick.
But I figure, all politicians lie, Obama is no exception. I would still vote for him, though I am now more skeptical of him. The gloss has worn off and what we have is a politician from Chicago, historically the worst kind!
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Posted by: The Debator on Mar 21, 2008 3:34 AM
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No, Wright was attacked so that it would precisely put Obama in between a rock and a hard place - a lose lose situation. Given that choice Obama chose the noble option.
And how could you possibly say that having Wright as a pastor automatically means that Obama must believe everything that Wright says? Have you been asleep this primary season? Obama is a very intelligent man with a diversity in his heritage and upbringing that makes him unique from Wright.
But here is the bigger warning sign for everyone. In the midst of this pile up on Obama by both the Clinton campaign and the Republicans we learn that Murdoch, owner of Fox News, supports Clinton. We see Karl Rove go on Fox and sing to Clinton's tune regarding FL and MI - but more generally singing to her tune.
Do people want change over what has happened for the last 8 years? Because with Murdoch and Rove backing Clinton the writing is on the wall that both Clinton and McCain are candidates of choice for the people that have been taking so coldly from Americans and both are trying to push out the only candidate who is actually there for the American people.
It might have escaped the notice of those easily distracted but you also need to remember that Clinton is in a position where she cannot win the popular vote or the nomination by legitimate means. There were things she needed to accomplish in OH and TX and she did not do so sufficiently. Therefore, the reality now is that the ONLY WAY Clinton could get this nomination is to DESTROY the character of Obama. Her continued presence in this race, therefore, is clear evidence that this is precisely what she is trying to do. Sweetness and light on the surface but things are dirty underneath. Don't let her get away with it!
America is where it is today because of swiftboating tactics and media manipulations in the past - please don't fall for it again!!!!!
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Posted by: dipconsult on Mar 21, 2008 4:42 AM
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Now, dear American friends who want your great country to recover from its disastrous and shameful trip-up during the last 8 years, please go out and vote for your potential man of destiny. Hillary and McCain are yesterday's politicians - they cannot rise to the challenges GW Bush has left for his sucessor.
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Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Mar 21, 2008 4:50 AM
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"A major security breach has occurred involving Barack Obama's confidential passport details. Two State Department employees have been fired and another suspended following an investigation, which began after it was learned that his computer file had been accessed."
"The security breach has echoes of other Republican dirty tricks operations. Mr Obama's confidential files were first accessed after he defeated Hillary Clinton in the Iowa caucus at the beginning of January."
"There were three separate breaches of security detected; the most recent last Friday. "This is an outrageous breach of security and privacy," Mr Obama's spokesman Bill Burton said last night, warning the Bush administration that it had a responsibility and duty to protect private information and not use it for political purposes."
So far the State Department has refused to release the names of the individuals involved! Looks like the dirty tricks crew got caught with their pants down, once again.
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Posted by: pdecarlo on Mar 21, 2008 5:47 AM
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Posted by: waypasthadenough on Mar 21, 2008 6:09 AM
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America needs "Liberal" season in the worst way.
go here:
http://www.willowtown.com/reality/blacksburg.htm
to see what the "Liberal" cancer will do to our country, as it has already done to England.
We don't tolerate cancer, so why do we tolerate "Liberals?"
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Posted by: Centavo on Mar 21, 2008 6:41 AM
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And if one does not think as the herd thinks, one is not a patriot however one labels oneself: progressive, liberal, conservative, socialist, American, British, Chinese, Kenyan, etc.
A patriot thinks and acts the way the aspiring patriot thinks everyone else thinks and acts, who believe themselves patriotic, loyal to the cause, belief system, rhetoric.
And, if you cross the boundaries of sanctioned groupthink, no matter which camp you are in you, you will be smeared, marginalized, tarred and feathered, libeled, and trotted about like a curious, aberrant exception to the mob. There is no such thing as honest discussion, or independent thought without incurring the wrath of the propagandized. And if you think you haven't been, you should think again.
Obama is a patriot that is for sure. He is loyal to the cause, carrying the flag for one side of the coin, of one party rule, here in these United States. If he weren't, we never would have heard of him. Obama is a Trojan horse, like Chomsky.
If you think anything will change were Obama miraculously elected, you dear reader, are sorely dreaming. The responsibility of waking you from the tyranny of your slumber, is yours alone.
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Posted by: daw13 on Mar 21, 2008 6:49 AM
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This is monumental and unprecented. He's appealing to people in opposite terms of Clinton. She's saying, IT'S ABOUT ELECTING A PRESIDENT WHO CAN KEEP A BAD SITUATION FROM GETTNG WORSE. He's saying, IT'S ABOUT ELECTING A PRESIDENT WHO WANTS TO CHANGE THE SITUATION ENTIRELY. She appeals to fear. He appeals to courage. She appeals to cyncism. He appeals to hope.
It's no accident that Clinton has shucked her leader-of-the-little-people-seeking-relief overalls in favor of her commander-in-chief costume. It's what her handlers' endless focus-grouping tell them will play best with a public stuck in their little pissant mindsets. That's how they see us. Obama's campaign makes the opposite assumption. His people assume we're confused and anxious. But not small. We have the capacity to rise to the occasion. As he has.
Yes he's flawed. Yes he's still wrong on foreign policy to some degree. But we're all flawed. Flawed real people can still come up with great ideas. Flawed real people can grow. If the Clinton people, who assume the opposite, are right, then Obama loses. But Clinton does not win.
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Posted by: purereason on Mar 21, 2008 6:55 AM
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Posted by: chlamor on Mar 21, 2008 7:14 AM
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By Paul Street
THE DENOUNCER: DON’T “DISPARAGE OUR GREAT COUNTRY”
As I’ve been saying since one day after the 2004 speech that made him the leading candidate for the Democratic presidential nomination in 2008, Barack Obama is a walking delusion and deception machine. Here’s the latest from the self-declared “American exceptionalist” Obama, the supposed “progressive” peacenick and civil libertarian who holds such a powerful death grip on the hopes, hearts and minds of millions of liberal and other Americans: “I categorically denounce any statement,” Obama proclaims, “that disparages our great country or serves to divide us from our allies.” This lovely statement can be found on The Huffington Post (March 14, 2008) at
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Wow. This stark and sweeping utterance came in response to the public release and broadcast by numerous television stations of “inflammatory” (Obama says) statements made by his longtime South Side Chicago pastor Jeremiah Wright. Besides denouncing the “United States of White America” for advancing and being “based upon” racism past and present, Rev. Wright ruffled the feathers of imperial and nationally narcissistic political correctness by having said the following (millions of media consumers have recently learned) on the Sunday after the terror attacks of 9/11: “We have supported state terrorism against the Palestinians and black South Africa, and now we are indignant because the stuff we have done overseas is now brought right back to our own front yards. America’s chickens are coming home to roost.”
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But the claim to “denounce any statement that disparages our great country” is a little too over the top even for the audacious Obama, who takes special delight in saying remarkably reactionary things even while pandering to the left. It carries extremist rightward and nationalist implications that ought to send a chill down the spines of anyone who wishes to see the rescue and expansion of a democratic political culture in a nation that has been slipping further and further into a form of what the prolific left political analyst Charles Derber calls "Fascism Lite." Such a culture requires honest and comprehensive scrutiny of existing national and social structures, policies, and practices. It privileges critical thinking and candid societal self-examination over blind obedience to flag, blood, and soil. It values rigorous truth-seeking and truth-telling over the often negative and authoritarian reference group that is the Nation State. It expects a nation's defenders to respond to criticism of that nation's policies or social structures or culture (or fill in the blank) with reasoned argument, not cold and "categorical" DENUNCIATION.
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Posted by: dave16 on Mar 21, 2008 7:20 AM
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Posted by: FeralCat on Mar 21, 2008 7:17 AM
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I heard Dr. Westen speak once and he rhapsodized about Dr. King's "I have a dream speech". I had also heard Jesse Jackson speak about that speech and Jesse's address brought me to tears. Jesse said the speech was originally about broken promises, but the apeech was softened and Dr. King deliberately ended on a message of "hope" so as not to depress those who came to Washington. But Jesse then said that the promises were still broken ones with nothing being done 40 years later.
I too know a bit about psychology. People yearn to be seen and heard. And white people got what they hoped for in this speech. Yes, my Dad moved us to a better neighborhood to avoid bussing and the whole problem.
Fine. But now what? What will Obama ask us to do now? Fight for a National health care plan that will finally prove that "we are all in this together"? Or continue to tell us that we are all on our own and that only our individual will is screwing us up? Give us one thing to fight for. Give us one big idea for his first 100 days in office other than basking in his victory and watching him go to parties like we did with JFK. Basking in somebody else's glow is so Hollywood.
Give me some meat.
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Posted by: zengei on Mar 21, 2008 8:09 AM
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So Obama is saying that racism ISN"T endemic in the US.He should come to Maine and New Hampshire. One of my best liberal friends told me last week .."I am not a bigot, but I can't vote for a jiggaboo." I reminded him that I was a member of the NAACP.
And Obama is saying that the Nazi like tactics of Israel and Israel's starving of the children of Palestine and the stealing of Palestinian land is irrelevant?????
So if Canada invaded the US.....Obama would blame the US for fighting back...Weird logic.....
I wish the politicians would address issues...not just put forth their profiles....
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Posted by: Grandma Crabby on Mar 21, 2008 8:14 AM
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Crazy Christian fundamentalists are as American as apple pie, but a black preacher being honest and bitter is SO AWFUL!
Watching the media paint this picture disgusts me.
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Posted by: EricR11 on Mar 21, 2008 8:18 AM
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Seems like that reminds me of another untested Illinois congressman who was also interested in saving his country and healing a great divide around this very same issue. Maybe it's because like Lincoln Obama is daring to go honestly into a troubling volatile issue, and examine its consequences with all of us, for the betterment of his nation, that he's getting such vitriol and invective levelled at him.
His Tuesday speech actually reminded me of some of the content in the Lincoln-Douglas debates, where Lincoln continued to respectfully acknowledge and receive Douglas' attacks, understand them, point out where they missed the mark or misled the voters in his opinion, and fervently appeal to a larger discussion, under saving the union as envisioned by the country's founders. The exact same could be said about Obama's response to his detractors and his call for building bridges to heal and unify the country at a critically divisive time. And like Lincoln, without any disrespect for anyone, not his former pastor, not his opponents or enemies even.
(although who today would be Douglas to Obama's Lincoln? hmmm....)
It reminded me that and the ability to inspire and persuade can be used to open the hearts and minds of others, instead of stratifying and closing them off. Good medicine for the strong bought of cynicism that we've all got in droves these days.
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Posted by: Kym525 on Mar 21, 2008 9:04 AM
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Amazing how so many people who wrap themselves up in the flag are the worst sort of criminals. These people are sheep, easily accepting whatever lies that are given them because it's easier not to think or to question, even though the founding fathers extolled the public to educate themselves and to question authority.
When I see so-called "patriotism" these days, I see Leni Reifenshtahl's (sorry about the misspelling here) black and white images of thousands of smiling Germans cheering Adolf Hitler and completely unconcerned that millions of their fellow countrymen, women and children are being systematically murdered. The real patriots went underground or were victims of those mass murders.
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Posted by: Athy on Mar 21, 2008 9:34 AM
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People need to focus on Sen Obama’s actions…not his words.
Obama- A uniter ? You decide….
He hired his campaign manager-David Axelrod-who has made a niche for himself by marketing black candidates-
Obama team promotes racial division so Obama gets the sympathetic whites & angry black votes.
The New Republic
The New Republic, "Race Man" by Sean Wilentz
The Nation
The Nation, "Obama"s Media Maven" by Chrisptoher Hayes. 2/19/08 issue
Reason why conservatives & republicans LOVE HIM is because he VOTES on major issues like they do-against the middle class. see vote analysis.
Sen Obama cares about poverty and the middle class? He has sabotaged efforts in Congress to pass bills that support the middles class. Sen Obama has been called a Liberal, Progressive Democrat? Based on what? You decide…
beyondchron
Beyondchron.org, The Obama Craze: Count Me out “ by Matt Gonzalez 2/27/08
The Nation
The Nation, “Subprime Obama” by Max Fraser 1/24/08 Post 2/11/08 issue
Mother Jones
Mother Jones, “ I am Barack Obama” by Mark Winston Griffith 3/17/08
Nice speech...maybe. Truthful speech...no...not based upon Sen Obama's actions.
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Posted by: Just The Facts on Mar 21, 2008 10:16 AM
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Would any of you posting here have done the same? Well if so you have found your candidate.
Thank you Sen. Obama for the unsolicited speech on race relations and congratulations on a well performed diversion.
Regards
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Posted by: EricR11 on Mar 21, 2008 12:46 PM
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Why is a candidate giving mere lip service to the rules of her party's nomination process and then doing everything behind the scenes to backstab, go around and debunk its rules in at least 4 or more states?
Another obvious question:
Why is a longtime vocal opponent of W. Bush's suddenly getting showered with endorsements from his former rival and doing everything in lock step with the current Administration, including taking special flag-waving flights to Iraq before even being officially nominated by his own party?
Seems to me Obama is trying to elevate the discussion here for our country's sake, which requires open about the complexities and weaknesses of being human, himself and everyone else - or have we all become so suspicious and cynical about anyone running for office that we couldn't hear someone delivering us an honest message regardless of what might do to his own campaign?
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Posted by: malcolmartin on Mar 21, 2008 2:15 PM
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The lynch party then moved closer. Rush Limbaugh, one of the most vicious and dangerous racists in human history, ranted that Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright, Jr., the minister who married Obama and his wife Michelle, the iconic leader of the Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago since 1972, is a “race-baiter and a hatemonger.” A national Limbaugh-led mob howled that this holy man must be denounced and renounced, and again for the sake of his chances to be president, Obama knelt before them and called Rev. Wright’s profound truth telling “inflammatory and appalling.”
As he answers the baying hounds questions about his pastor Barak Obama must be heartsick. In that heart he knows where this is going. The racists will not stop at Minister Farrakhan or Rev. Wright. The mouths of their blood-red faces will screech at Obama to deny his very blackness. On this path there can only be one inevitable final demand before he stands for president. Barak Obama must become a white man.
But this goes beyond Obama the Black man and candidate for president. Something the ruling class can never permit must happen before Obama can be elected. In all future primaries and in the general election, if he gets that far, Obama will win 90-plus% of the Black vote and his people will turn out in record numbers. But he will win the nomination and then the presidency only with a substantial number of white working class votes. Oh, the unity!
Such unity would shake this county’s ever constricting capitalist bourgeois democracy to its foundation. One of the main engines of that capitalist economy is racism. For the sake of profits racial divisions and the super exploitation of workers of color must be kept intact—at all costs.
The reason that chattel slavery came into existence in the semi-feudal agrarian US economy of the time was that it was very profitable for the masters of that economy.
The reason that racism is so pervasive in the United States today with its developed industrial capitalist economy is that it is very profitable for the masters of that economy.
It took the bloodiest war in US history and hundreds of thousands of white workers willing to fight to the death to end chattel slavery. No election and no candidate for office will end racism in this country. As long as capitalism exists elections will only produce racist results.
Barak Obama is not under withering attack right now for fear of his empty rhetoric about change. The ruling class chuckles over such nonsense. What they are stricken over is the possibility that working-class whites might make their first halting steps toward an effective political relationship with their brothers and sisters of color. They know their history. They know that was the dynamic that brought down the slave economy. They know that would be the beginning of the end for them.
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Posted by: chlamor on Mar 21, 2008 3:43 PM
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What say ye Obama acolytes?
I can't wait to see the contortions and rationalizations.
Here's the direct quote and see the link for entire interview:
"By the way, I would reach out to the first George Bush. You know, one of the things that I think George H.W. Bush doesn't get enough credit for was his foreign policy team and the way that he helped negotiate the end of the Cold War and prosecuted the Gulf War. That cost us 20 billion dollars. That's all it cost. It was extremely successful. I think there were a lot of very wise people. So I want a bipartisan team that can help to provide me good advice and counsel when I'm president of the United States."
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Posted by: doraroja on Mar 22, 2008 11:00 AM
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That said, my problem with the speech is its use of the idea of perfectionism. It seems contradictory to talk about change and perfection in the same breath. Perfection seems like both too much and not enough. One person's perfect is not going to be another's, and so on. The future is a process not a product. Part of the problem with the perfection-patriotism agreement (specific to the global north) is that it sees process as a means towards something fixed. But if I take the speech at face value, then it is itself a kind of work in progress, dealing with these kinds of contradictions and self criticisms.
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Posted by: skyblizzer on Mar 22, 2008 6:04 PM
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mANY fans are chatting about this at a black white community ...
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Posted by: Artra on Mar 24, 2008 12:22 PM
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"It requires all Americans to realize that your dreams do not have to come at the expense of my dreams"
He has strong prejudices:
"... a view that sees the conflicts in the Middle East as rooted primarily in the actions of stalwart allies like Israel, instead of emanating from the perverse and hateful ideologies of radical Islam..."
It reflects his limitations to open his eyes on USA's two hundred years wrong policy abroad.
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Posted by: skizum on Mar 21, 2008 1:46 AM
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While race relations are a critical issue to address in an honest fashion there is a much more fundamental issue at the root of the problem; Human Nature. This is the topic that we urgently need to understand and learn to effective deal with. There are many truths relating to our human nature and nurture, that when exposed, can contribute in very real ways to our re-examination of self and, in turn, impact the future path of human civilization.
Human nature is inescapable and fundamentally at the root of solving so many of the world’s problems. We find ourselves at an important crossroad of having longer life spans, better ways to control disease, more leisure time, instantaneous global communication and a wealth of recorded history of human experiment… VS …the ability to destroy ourselves very quickly or a bit slower, a path that we are currently and predictably on.
Allow me to broadly de-construct this issue a bit…Why do we have an aggressively growing gap between haves and have-nots nationally and globally? Why do we fight wars over resources? Why do the elite power brokers manipulate and deceive to consolidate more power? Why do employers cut benefits to raise their own profits? Why is the one economic scam or bubble bursting after another in increasing frequency?
I could go on asking 100 more similar questions and there will be a common answer to them all. These practices stem from one of most primal motivations integral to not only to human nature but animal nature as well…The need to dominate.
Most mammals establish social order through dominance. Let’s use the example of gorillas for the moment. The dominant alpha male establishes dominance through brute force so that he can have controlling access to territory, food, water, mating preference and so on. You can substitute many specific mammals into this model including humans.
In the case of humans, we have a much more developed sense of intellect, communication and technology to create many layers of complexity to camouflage our primal drive to dominate. Not only do we gain power through the enhanced brute force of armaments but we have developed languages which can be grossly malleable in meaning and rationale, susceptible to manipulation and control.
It is important for me to note that the need to dominate is not the only part of human nature we need to pay attention to but it certainly is a good place to start. There are many other specific behavioral elements of the human condition that are common to us all.
We need to put a greater effort into identifying, verifying, disseminating an understanding of, assessing our individual and societal balance of the funamental elements of our own human nature. In effect, we need to come clean with reality and utilize our intellect and survival instinct to overcome our need to dominate as individuals.
I am proposing a broad based participatory project called the Universal Humane Needs Assessment that may be able to catalyze a massive shift in consciousness we so desperately need not just here in America but the whole world over...
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» humans and other creatures learn by discriminating
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» KaptainSpiffy, this makes NO sense
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» no, that would be you
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» Take a good long look in the mirror, MrSpiffy
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» it's Kaptain, to YOU
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Posted by: carbon-based on Mar 21, 2008 2:53 AM
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I had written Obama off after the Wright issue because Wright represents and perpetuates one of the fundamental problems in this country, racism. He strives, in his black separatist church, to remind blacks that they are different than whites and to practice racism. Where is Al Sharpton's voice. did he spend it on the Imus issue.
Well, after the speech, I again had hope for Obama, well delivered and a stirring message. But then I noticed something that many seem to miss.. He lied about hearing his pastor make those horrible rants throughout the 20 years at the church. He glossed over that one pretty quick.
But I figure, all politicians lie, Obama is no exception. I would still vote for him, though I am now more skeptical of him. The gloss has worn off and what we have is a politician from Chicago, historically the worst kind!
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Posted by: The Debator on Mar 21, 2008 3:34 AM
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No, Wright was attacked so that it would precisely put Obama in between a rock and a hard place - a lose lose situation. Given that choice Obama chose the noble option.
And how could you possibly say that having Wright as a pastor automatically means that Obama must believe everything that Wright says? Have you been asleep this primary season? Obama is a very intelligent man with a diversity in his heritage and upbringing that makes him unique from Wright.
But here is the bigger warning sign for everyone. In the midst of this pile up on Obama by both the Clinton campaign and the Republicans we learn that Murdoch, owner of Fox News, supports Clinton. We see Karl Rove go on Fox and sing to Clinton's tune regarding FL and MI - but more generally singing to her tune.
Do people want change over what has happened for the last 8 years? Because with Murdoch and Rove backing Clinton the writing is on the wall that both Clinton and McCain are candidates of choice for the people that have been taking so coldly from Americans and both are trying to push out the only candidate who is actually there for the American people.
It might have escaped the notice of those easily distracted but you also need to remember that Clinton is in a position where she cannot win the popular vote or the nomination by legitimate means. There were things she needed to accomplish in OH and TX and she did not do so sufficiently. Therefore, the reality now is that the ONLY WAY Clinton could get this nomination is to DESTROY the character of Obama. Her continued presence in this race, therefore, is clear evidence that this is precisely what she is trying to do. Sweetness and light on the surface but things are dirty underneath. Don't let her get away with it!
America is where it is today because of swiftboating tactics and media manipulations in the past - please don't fall for it again!!!!!
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Posted by: dipconsult on Mar 21, 2008 4:42 AM
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Now, dear American friends who want your great country to recover from its disastrous and shameful trip-up during the last 8 years, please go out and vote for your potential man of destiny. Hillary and McCain are yesterday's politicians - they cannot rise to the challenges GW Bush has left for his sucessor.
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Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Mar 21, 2008 4:50 AM
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"A major security breach has occurred involving Barack Obama's confidential passport details. Two State Department employees have been fired and another suspended following an investigation, which began after it was learned that his computer file had been accessed."
"The security breach has echoes of other Republican dirty tricks operations. Mr Obama's confidential files were first accessed after he defeated Hillary Clinton in the Iowa caucus at the beginning of January."
"There were three separate breaches of security detected; the most recent last Friday. "This is an outrageous breach of security and privacy," Mr Obama's spokesman Bill Burton said last night, warning the Bush administration that it had a responsibility and duty to protect private information and not use it for political purposes."
So far the State Department has refused to release the names of the individuals involved! Looks like the dirty tricks crew got caught with their pants down, once again.
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Posted by: waypasthadenough on Mar 21, 2008 6:09 AM
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America needs "Liberal" season in the worst way.
go here:
http://www.willowtown.com/reality/blacksburg.htm
to see what the "Liberal" cancer will do to our country, as it has already done to England.
We don't tolerate cancer, so why do we tolerate "Liberals?"
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Posted by: Centavo on Mar 21, 2008 6:41 AM
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And if one does not think as the herd thinks, one is not a patriot however one labels oneself: progressive, liberal, conservative, socialist, American, British, Chinese, Kenyan, etc.
A patriot thinks and acts the way the aspiring patriot thinks everyone else thinks and acts, who believe themselves patriotic, loyal to the cause, belief system, rhetoric.
And, if you cross the boundaries of sanctioned groupthink, no matter which camp you are in you, you will be smeared, marginalized, tarred and feathered, libeled, and trotted about like a curious, aberrant exception to the mob. There is no such thing as honest discussion, or independent thought without incurring the wrath of the propagandized. And if you think you haven't been, you should think again.
Obama is a patriot that is for sure. He is loyal to the cause, carrying the flag for one side of the coin, of one party rule, here in these United States. If he weren't, we never would have heard of him. Obama is a Trojan horse, like Chomsky.
If you think anything will change were Obama miraculously elected, you dear reader, are sorely dreaming. The responsibility of waking you from the tyranny of your slumber, is yours alone.
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Posted by: daw13 on Mar 21, 2008 6:49 AM
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This is monumental and unprecented. He's appealing to people in opposite terms of Clinton. She's saying, IT'S ABOUT ELECTING A PRESIDENT WHO CAN KEEP A BAD SITUATION FROM GETTNG WORSE. He's saying, IT'S ABOUT ELECTING A PRESIDENT WHO WANTS TO CHANGE THE SITUATION ENTIRELY. She appeals to fear. He appeals to courage. She appeals to cyncism. He appeals to hope.
It's no accident that Clinton has shucked her leader-of-the-little-people-seeking-relief overalls in favor of her commander-in-chief costume. It's what her handlers' endless focus-grouping tell them will play best with a public stuck in their little pissant mindsets. That's how they see us. Obama's campaign makes the opposite assumption. His people assume we're confused and anxious. But not small. We have the capacity to rise to the occasion. As he has.
Yes he's flawed. Yes he's still wrong on foreign policy to some degree. But we're all flawed. Flawed real people can still come up with great ideas. Flawed real people can grow. If the Clinton people, who assume the opposite, are right, then Obama loses. But Clinton does not win.
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Posted by: chlamor on Mar 21, 2008 7:14 AM
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By Paul Street
THE DENOUNCER: DON’T “DISPARAGE OUR GREAT COUNTRY”
As I’ve been saying since one day after the 2004 speech that made him the leading candidate for the Democratic presidential nomination in 2008, Barack Obama is a walking delusion and deception machine. Here’s the latest from the self-declared “American exceptionalist” Obama, the supposed “progressive” peacenick and civil libertarian who holds such a powerful death grip on the hopes, hearts and minds of millions of liberal and other Americans: “I categorically denounce any statement,” Obama proclaims, “that disparages our great country or serves to divide us from our allies.” This lovely statement can be found on The Huffington Post (March 14, 2008) at
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Wow. This stark and sweeping utterance came in response to the public release and broadcast by numerous television stations of “inflammatory” (Obama says) statements made by his longtime South Side Chicago pastor Jeremiah Wright. Besides denouncing the “United States of White America” for advancing and being “based upon” racism past and present, Rev. Wright ruffled the feathers of imperial and nationally narcissistic political correctness by having said the following (millions of media consumers have recently learned) on the Sunday after the terror attacks of 9/11: “We have supported state terrorism against the Palestinians and black South Africa, and now we are indignant because the stuff we have done overseas is now brought right back to our own front yards. America’s chickens are coming home to roost.”
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But the claim to “denounce any statement that disparages our great country” is a little too over the top even for the audacious Obama, who takes special delight in saying remarkably reactionary things even while pandering to the left. It carries extremist rightward and nationalist implications that ought to send a chill down the spines of anyone who wishes to see the rescue and expansion of a democratic political culture in a nation that has been slipping further and further into a form of what the prolific left political analyst Charles Derber calls "Fascism Lite." Such a culture requires honest and comprehensive scrutiny of existing national and social structures, policies, and practices. It privileges critical thinking and candid societal self-examination over blind obedience to flag, blood, and soil. It values rigorous truth-seeking and truth-telling over the often negative and authoritarian reference group that is the Nation State. It expects a nation's defenders to respond to criticism of that nation's policies or social structures or culture (or fill in the blank) with reasoned argument, not cold and "categorical" DENUNCIATION.
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Posted by: dave16 on Mar 21, 2008 7:20 AM
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Posted by: FeralCat on Mar 21, 2008 7:17 AM
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I heard Dr. Westen speak once and he rhapsodized about Dr. King's "I have a dream speech". I had also heard Jesse Jackson speak about that speech and Jesse's address brought me to tears. Jesse said the speech was originally about broken promises, but the apeech was softened and Dr. King deliberately ended on a message of "hope" so as not to depress those who came to Washington. But Jesse then said that the promises were still broken ones with nothing being done 40 years later.
I too know a bit about psychology. People yearn to be seen and heard. And white people got what they hoped for in this speech. Yes, my Dad moved us to a better neighborhood to avoid bussing and the whole problem.
Fine. But now what? What will Obama ask us to do now? Fight for a National health care plan that will finally prove that "we are all in this together"? Or continue to tell us that we are all on our own and that only our individual will is screwing us up? Give us one thing to fight for. Give us one big idea for his first 100 days in office other than basking in his victory and watching him go to parties like we did with JFK. Basking in somebody else's glow is so Hollywood.
Give me some meat.
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Posted by: zengei on Mar 21, 2008 8:09 AM
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So Obama is saying that racism ISN"T endemic in the US.He should come to Maine and New Hampshire. One of my best liberal friends told me last week .."I am not a bigot, but I can't vote for a jiggaboo." I reminded him that I was a member of the NAACP.
And Obama is saying that the Nazi like tactics of Israel and Israel's starving of the children of Palestine and the stealing of Palestinian land is irrelevant?????
So if Canada invaded the US.....Obama would blame the US for fighting back...Weird logic.....
I wish the politicians would address issues...not just put forth their profiles....
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Posted by: Grandma Crabby on Mar 21, 2008 8:14 AM
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Crazy Christian fundamentalists are as American as apple pie, but a black preacher being honest and bitter is SO AWFUL!
Watching the media paint this picture disgusts me.
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Posted by: EricR11 on Mar 21, 2008 8:18 AM
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Seems like that reminds me of another untested Illinois congressman who was also interested in saving his country and healing a great divide around this very same issue. Maybe it's because like Lincoln Obama is daring to go honestly into a troubling volatile issue, and examine its consequences with all of us, for the betterment of his nation, that he's getting such vitriol and invective levelled at him.
His Tuesday speech actually reminded me of some of the content in the Lincoln-Douglas debates, where Lincoln continued to respectfully acknowledge and receive Douglas' attacks, understand them, point out where they missed the mark or misled the voters in his opinion, and fervently appeal to a larger discussion, under saving the union as envisioned by the country's founders. The exact same could be said about Obama's response to his detractors and his call for building bridges to heal and unify the country at a critically divisive time. And like Lincoln, without any disrespect for anyone, not his former pastor, not his opponents or enemies even.
(although who today would be Douglas to Obama's Lincoln? hmmm....)
It reminded me that and the ability to inspire and persuade can be used to open the hearts and minds of others, instead of stratifying and closing them off. Good medicine for the strong bought of cynicism that we've all got in droves these days.
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Posted by: Kym525 on Mar 21, 2008 9:04 AM
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Amazing how so many people who wrap themselves up in the flag are the worst sort of criminals. These people are sheep, easily accepting whatever lies that are given them because it's easier not to think or to question, even though the founding fathers extolled the public to educate themselves and to question authority.
When I see so-called "patriotism" these days, I see Leni Reifenshtahl's (sorry about the misspelling here) black and white images of thousands of smiling Germans cheering Adolf Hitler and completely unconcerned that millions of their fellow countrymen, women and children are being systematically murdered. The real patriots went underground or were victims of those mass murders.
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Posted by: Athy on Mar 21, 2008 9:34 AM
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People need to focus on Sen Obama’s actions…not his words.
Obama- A uniter ? You decide….
He hired his campaign manager-David Axelrod-who has made a niche for himself by marketing black candidates-
Obama team promotes racial division so Obama gets the sympathetic whites & angry black votes.
The New Republic
The New Republic, "Race Man" by Sean Wilentz
The Nation
The Nation, "Obama"s Media Maven" by Chrisptoher Hayes. 2/19/08 issue
Reason why conservatives & republicans LOVE HIM is because he VOTES on major issues like they do-against the middle class. see vote analysis.
Sen Obama cares about poverty and the middle class? He has sabotaged efforts in Congress to pass bills that support the middles class. Sen Obama has been called a Liberal, Progressive Democrat? Based on what? You decide…
beyondchron
Beyondchron.org, The Obama Craze: Count Me out “ by Matt Gonzalez 2/27/08
The Nation
The Nation, “Subprime Obama” by Max Fraser 1/24/08 Post 2/11/08 issue
Mother Jones
Mother Jones, “ I am Barack Obama” by Mark Winston Griffith 3/17/08
Nice speech...maybe. Truthful speech...no...not based upon Sen Obama's actions.
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Posted by: Just The Facts on Mar 21, 2008 10:16 AM
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Would any of you posting here have done the same? Well if so you have found your candidate.
Thank you Sen. Obama for the unsolicited speech on race relations and congratulations on a well performed diversion.
Regards
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Posted by: EricR11 on Mar 21, 2008 12:46 PM
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Why is a candidate giving mere lip service to the rules of her party's nomination process and then doing everything behind the scenes to backstab, go around and debunk its rules in at least 4 or more states?
Another obvious question:
Why is a longtime vocal opponent of W. Bush's suddenly getting showered with endorsements from his former rival and doing everything in lock step with the current Administration, including taking special flag-waving flights to Iraq before even being officially nominated by his own party?
Seems to me Obama is trying to elevate the discussion here for our country's sake, which requires open about the complexities and weaknesses of being human, himself and everyone else - or have we all become so suspicious and cynical about anyone running for office that we couldn't hear someone delivering us an honest message regardless of what might do to his own campaign?
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Posted by: malcolmartin on Mar 21, 2008 2:15 PM
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The lynch party then moved closer. Rush Limbaugh, one of the most vicious and dangerous racists in human history, ranted that Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright, Jr., the minister who married Obama and his wife Michelle, the iconic leader of the Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago since 1972, is a “race-baiter and a hatemonger.” A national Limbaugh-led mob howled that this holy man must be denounced and renounced, and again for the sake of his chances to be president, Obama knelt before them and called Rev. Wright’s profound truth telling “inflammatory and appalling.”
As he answers the baying hounds questions about his pastor Barak Obama must be heartsick. In that heart he knows where this is going. The racists will not stop at Minister Farrakhan or Rev. Wright. The mouths of their blood-red faces will screech at Obama to deny his very blackness. On this path there can only be one inevitable final demand before he stands for president. Barak Obama must become a white man.
But this goes beyond Obama the Black man and candidate for president. Something the ruling class can never permit must happen before Obama can be elected. In all future primaries and in the general election, if he gets that far, Obama will win 90-plus% of the Black vote and his people will turn out in record numbers. But he will win the nomination and then the presidency only with a substantial number of white working class votes. Oh, the unity!
Such unity would shake this county’s ever constricting capitalist bourgeois democracy to its foundation. One of the main engines of that capitalist economy is racism. For the sake of profits racial divisions and the super exploitation of workers of color must be kept intact—at all costs.
The reason that chattel slavery came into existence in the semi-feudal agrarian US economy of the time was that it was very profitable for the masters of that economy.
The reason that racism is so pervasive in the United States today with its developed industrial capitalist economy is that it is very profitable for the masters of that economy.
It took the bloodiest war in US history and hundreds of thousands of white workers willing to fight to the death to end chattel slavery. No election and no candidate for office will end racism in this country. As long as capitalism exists elections will only produce racist results.
Barak Obama is not under withering attack right now for fear of his empty rhetoric about change. The ruling class chuckles over such nonsense. What they are stricken over is the possibility that working-class whites might make their first halting steps toward an effective political relationship with their brothers and sisters of color. They know their history. They know that was the dynamic that brought down the slave economy. They know that would be the beginning of the end for them.
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Posted by: chlamor on Mar 21, 2008 3:43 PM
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What say ye Obama acolytes?
I can't wait to see the contortions and rationalizations.
Here's the direct quote and see the link for entire interview:
"By the way, I would reach out to the first George Bush. You know, one of the things that I think George H.W. Bush doesn't get enough credit for was his foreign policy team and the way that he helped negotiate the end of the Cold War and prosecuted the Gulf War. That cost us 20 billion dollars. That's all it cost. It was extremely successful. I think there were a lot of very wise people. So I want a bipartisan team that can help to provide me good advice and counsel when I'm president of the United States."
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Posted by: Jeanne on Mar 21, 2008 5:31 PM
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Posted by: bessie on Mar 22, 2008 12:09 AM
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Posted by: doraroja on Mar 22, 2008 11:00 AM
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That said, my problem with the speech is its use of the idea of perfectionism. It seems contradictory to talk about change and perfection in the same breath. Perfection seems like both too much and not enough. One person's perfect is not going to be another's, and so on. The future is a process not a product. Part of the problem with the perfection-patriotism agreement (specific to the global north) is that it sees process as a means towards something fixed. But if I take the speech at face value, then it is itself a kind of work in progress, dealing with these kinds of contradictions and self criticisms.
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Posted by: skyblizzer on Mar 22, 2008 6:04 PM
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mANY fans are chatting about this at a black white community ...
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Posted by: eeezzz on Mar 23, 2008 3:57 PM
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Posted by: eeezzz on Mar 23, 2008 4:00 PM
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Posted by: Artra on Mar 24, 2008 12:22 PM
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"It requires all Americans to realize that your dreams do not have to come at the expense of my dreams"
He has strong prejudices:
"... a view that sees the conflicts in the Middle East as rooted primarily in the actions of stalwart allies like Israel, instead of emanating from the perverse and hateful ideologies of radical Islam..."
It reflects his limitations to open his eyes on USA's two hundred years wrong policy abroad.
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Posted by: democracynowiniraq on Mar 25, 2008 6:06 PM
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