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Obama Finally Puts Race on the Table [VIDEO]
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"This is it, it's here," I thought while watching Senator Obama lay it on the line. We are finally talking about race. Slavery, Jim Crow, economic enslavement, no FHA loans, the failure of affirmative action, busing, offended whites who match offended blacks in rage and fear. Obama shined a light on the conservative talk show hosts who fan white resentments, and at the same time, did not dismiss the reasons for the resentments. He reminded us that the dreams of black America do not come at the expense of white America.
Someone running for the highest office in the land finally talked about it -- the dark and secret swamp that we Americans dodge at every possible opportunity. As he finished the searing truth telling, I realized that this was not so much a speech but rather a unifying call to arms, an insistence that American people act on change. This was an order and a prayer from someone worthy of being called Commander in Chief -- an order that as a bruised and bloodied nation we finally discuss that what unites us, as well as that which divides us. So we can grow, together as a people.
Barack Obama's speech, perhaps one of the most important in modern political history pushed us as a people to move beyond race and gender, beyond Democrat and Republican, beyond politics and into reviving the spirit of the nation itself. To talk, to talk at home, at work, at the dinner table. To really finally talk. What a great day, and where else in the world but in the United States? Today I am very proud to be an American.
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Posted by: motke on Mar 18, 2008 11:27 AM
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Posted by: TJ-stars4peace on Mar 18, 2008 12:00 PM
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It was too me more akin to preaching to the choir..
Those Obama had to reach were those who will be influenced by the swift boating to come in the general election and those susceptible to the accusations God forbid that's he is Muslim..
I don't think this speech which was properly focused and short and direct..enough it was as usual to general and vague and generic..even to some degree a rationalization..
Having run for elected office what he needed was something strong short focused direct and unequivocal..!
This speech was not that it lacked the sound bites he needed to create..
The proof is if this story and problem caused by Rev. Wright goes away..I suspect it will not, to the degree he hoped from this speech..
I saw the I Have A Dream Speech given live this was not that..no matter how much it is spun by who ever may try and spin it..
Had I written any of it for him I'd have hammered on:
"The America I see is an America of one standard and one people American, that can in our future be the only standard..The more we differentiate the more we discriminate, that is the hope I have, that is my dream as Martin had a dream and that is the change I want to bring..!"
"If we do not come together as a people one people then we will fail in this ever more competitive and dangerous world..which sees us as Americans not all these different sub divisions and groups with our whole but Americans and if we do not work together then we shall fail together..!"
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Posted by: Ellie1 on Mar 18, 2008 12:03 PM
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Posted by: nfamous on Mar 18, 2008 12:21 PM
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Let's say for instance that I'm wrong and Obama really does want to bring about change. So did JFK. So did MLK. Noticing a pattern here? Obama won't because he can't and that's the end of it.
Until we get the money out of politics we are having a debate about the substance of nothing. Dumb-downed America will continue to ridicule and blame Kucinich and Nader for our own shortcomings when in fact real change via "people before profits" policies are what is sorely needed for the rebuilding of this nation and world. It should not surprise me that Americans fall for this tripe. It will also not surprise me when they regret it.....over and over again when they do it again in another four years. This country was over as soon as the Federal Reserve got chartered in 1913.
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Posted by: A.V. on Mar 18, 2008 12:28 PM
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Who is brave enough to come to a higher level of thinking and self-effacement? If not the people of this country, then who?
Obama said it himself, it's not about Obama. It's about YOU, people of the United States! YOU have the power to change yourselves. No politician, pastor or employer, distraction or drug will do it for you. It's about listening to and loving each other, living the golden rule, and learning to hear from the spirit of God that lives in and speaks to our hearts.
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Posted by: Sojourner on Mar 18, 2008 1:00 PM
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As a people, we are facing a most critical time. We cannot afford to get our priorities twisted. We will need the cooperation and best efforts of every American to survive the looming catastrophes of climate and energy. The petrochemical age is coming to a close and along with it the petrodollar.
It is ironic that we must choose between two outstanding leaders after 30 years of mediocrity. Hillary can get the necessary work done faster than anyone. But I am afraid she could be beat by a McCain/Rice ticket. Barack can win, and that is what the times call for.
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Posted by: wisewebwoman on Mar 18, 2008 1:32 PM
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That is if we must get into the colour of anyone's skin.
Grow up America!
Deal with the real issues. Hope ain't an issue.
A tanking economy is. Illegal invasions of other countries are. No meters on the oil wells of Iraq are. Foreclosures are. The greatest single transfer of wealth from public to private ownership in the history of the world is.
Wake up!
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Posted by: rickiey on Mar 18, 2008 1:56 PM
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How DARE Obama disagree with the man's political views and still agree with his religious ones? Religion and politics are inseperable!!
If the founding fathers would have wanted there to be some form of seperation between church and state, they'd have written it somewhere!!
Wait, what? They what? Oh, well, in that case, never mind.
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Posted by: SOWILO on Mar 18, 2008 2:18 PM
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Obama is as big of a moron as Bush.
I'm voting for Nader.
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» ... and Republicans might say, you vote Nader and you're giving your vote to the Dems.
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Posted by: Robba29 on Mar 18, 2008 2:24 PM
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Posted by: Hearthis2 on Mar 18, 2008 2:35 PM
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The proof that he lacks sanity? You do not HANG out with people you do NOT believe in.
You cannot hang out with your church for years and years and then when you are found out say with smooth talk, "OH, we need to be TOGETHER as a nation, we need hope for ALL races...etc."
Obama wants to be presient so he can carry out his agenda...just like Bush had an agenda...
Let me tell you...I grew up in the Northeast when the Blacks forced Whites from neighborhoods in the sixties...they turned it around on us..called it the "White Flight," and said WE were prejudice...we opened our hearts and our doors to help...we were physically wounded doing so...we had to leave...we lost our homes, our community, our children lost thier friends, thier schools...WE WERE ALL WILLING TO SHARE...
The Black drive is NOT to JOIN Whites in community...it is to have Whites pay for something we did not do...something that was done nearly three-hundred years ago...STARTED by the Blacks in Africa...sold to the European Portguese...and then brought here to the states and sold to WhITEs...but for some reason only WE are responsible...
What happened in the sixties .... was BOTH races.
What is happening now? Per capita...Black on Black and Black on White crime is higher than White on Black crime.
It is time to Stop EVERYTHING. Stop Affirmative Action, stop cow-towing to a race which has learned to holler "poor me."
When the first Democratic primary went down at Howard University this past fall, one of the professors there asked the candidates, "If elected, what will you do for the BLACK community."
Unfortunately not ONE of them had the balls to say, "Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what YOU can do for your country." But therein lies the problem. Black Americans do not consider themselves apart of AMERICA. They wish to be segregated...self-imposed segregation...by people like Wright and Farakhan....and OBAMA.
Vote for Obama will only serve to further seperate the races.
It is quite evident and should be to ALL that it is NOT the Whites who have a problem with race (of course there are isolated incidents), it is the BLACKS.
They took down entertainer IMUS...but they didnt take down Chris Rock (no offense to Chris Rock, I think he is funny), however, he is just as bad as IMUS...only one example...
There is an old saying, "What is fair for the goose is fair for the gander."
Black AMerica...it is time like Bill Cosby says for you to STOP whinning and get up off the couch and join your neighbors to make your community a better place by embracing each other's diversness.
Obama sucks...he is racist...you don't hang out with the KKK unless you are, and thus you don't hang out with Black militants unless you are...NO matter what kind of crap is coming out of your mouth...
ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS.
His speech is Bullshit...his speech is hogwash...
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Posted by: Hearthis2 on Mar 18, 2008 2:35 PM
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The proof that he lacks sanity? You do not HANG out with people you do NOT believe in.
You cannot hang out with your church for years and years and then when you are found out say with smooth talk, "OH, we need to be TOGETHER as a nation, we need hope for ALL races...etc."
Obama wants to be presient so he can carry out his agenda...just like Bush had an agenda...
Let me tell you...I grew up in the Northeast when the Blacks forced Whites from neighborhoods in the sixties...they turned it around on us..called it the "White Flight," and said WE were prejudice...we opened our hearts and our doors to help...we were physically wounded doing so...we had to leave...we lost our homes, our community, our children lost thier friends, thier schools...WE WERE ALL WILLING TO SHARE...
The Black drive is NOT to JOIN Whites in community...it is to have Whites pay for something we did not do...something that was done nearly three-hundred years ago...STARTED by the Blacks in Africa...sold to the European Portguese...and then brought here to the states and sold to WhITEs...but for some reason only WE are responsible...
What happened in the sixties .... was BOTH races.
What is happening now? Per capita...Black on Black and Black on White crime is higher than White on Black crime.
It is time to Stop EVERYTHING. Stop Affirmative Action, stop cow-towing to a race which has learned to holler "poor me."
When the first Democratic primary went down at Howard University this past fall, one of the professors there asked the candidates, "If elected, what will you do for the BLACK community."
Unfortunately not ONE of them had the balls to say, "Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what YOU can do for your country." But therein lies the problem. Black Americans do not consider themselves apart of AMERICA. They wish to be segregated...self-imposed segregation...by people like Wright and Farakhan....and OBAMA.
Vote for Obama will only serve to further seperate the races.
It is quite evident and should be to ALL that it is NOT the Whites who have a problem with race (of course there are isolated incidents), it is the BLACKS.
They took down entertainer IMUS...but they didnt take down Chris Rock (no offense to Chris Rock, I think he is funny), however, he is just as bad as IMUS...only one example...
There is an old saying, "What is fair for the goose is fair for the gander."
Black AMerica...it is time like Bill Cosby says for you to STOP whinning and get up off the couch and join your neighbors to make your community a better place by embracing each other's diversness.
Obama sucks...he is racist...you don't hang out with the KKK unless you are, and thus you don't hang out with Black militants unless you are...NO matter what kind of crap is coming out of your mouth...
ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS.
His speech is Bullshit...his speech is hogwash...
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Posted by: Kym525 on Mar 18, 2008 3:30 PM
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His speech was dead-on, and the problem is that way too many people want to spend time in the negative, or they prefer to continue things as they are. This should have never been an issue in the first place. Who really gives a damn what Jeremiah Wright said anyway? Frankly it's pretty hypocritical for anyone in this forum to criticize Rev. Wright because many of you have echoed the same words.
Oh wait--it's an angry black man--let's be scared now!
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Posted by: Red Clover on Mar 18, 2008 3:55 PM
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Obama reframed the challenges in America in many ways today. That's what a leader does, too. He revealed himself as head-and-shoulders above anything we have come to know about McCain or Hillary.
Now he just has to win, and then have strong support among enough Washington insiders to govern.
I am pretty sure I know what I am going to get from a Hillary or McCain set of government initiatives. Pretty much more Republican Lite. I think Obama is the right person for this country, especially if we go into an economic crash. And he doesn't have one policy on the table to deal with that.
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Posted by: jmooney on Mar 18, 2008 3:57 PM
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Someone mentioned why Barack doesn't address his mother all that much, but he did say in the preface to the latest edition of the book about his childhood that had he known she was going to die so early he might have thought more to focus on the parent who was there rather than the one who wasn't. I think it is natural for a person to focus on the parent who wasn't there (his dad was pretty much out of his life by age 2), either hating that parent or building him and her into some sort of idealized personage.
I sort of doubt that Barack is all that caught up on religious dogma and wanted to be part of an organization that sought to lift up African Americans.
By Barack's own account, his mother was a secular humanist. And she's the one who primarily raised him. And his grandfather was a rather eclectic man when it came to matters of the spirit (he briefly joined Unitarian Universalists -- and organization to which I belong -- until his wife put the kibosh on that).
So, I wish we lived in a society where a man like Barack Obama could focus on secular humanism, but if he did that he probably couldn't get elected dog catcher in this country.
So, I commend him for joining an organization that seeks to uplift African Americans, and for sticking with that church in spite of some differences between him and his minister. It is clear that he mustn't have been thinking of running for president (despite his early "kindergarten papers") or if he did he had the courage to stay with that church anyway.
The solution to much of the problems in the lives of African Americans who are struggling lies in their hands. Sure, society is still an impediment, but when people like Obama can rise to where he is, and Rice, and Powell, etc., that shows success is possible for African Americans. To reach that black underclass we need people like Barack Obama to set an example, to call people to a higher level.
In my hometown we had a chance a few years ago to elect a great African American as our mayor. I live in a southern city, and he had been our sheriff. He was good enough to oversee the jail house but not good enough to be mayor as he was trounced by some rich, white politcal neophyte. Now, our city is in the grip of a great murder epidemic, and most of that is in black community. We missed an opportunity to perhaps change the dynamics of the black community in our city by not voting for this man.
I like Obama's sticking with an activist, black-oriented church, and I like that he has that secular humanistic background (which he can't much talk about). That his pastor says inflammatory stuff...does anyone really think Obama buys all that? He just doesn't seem like the kind of person who would feed into that. Like most people in an organization, he takes what he needs from it and leaves the rest.
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Posted by: democracynowiniraq on Mar 18, 2008 6:09 PM
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If I have to choose between the 2 Dems, I'll take Hillary. Because the "evil" I know is better than the "evil" I don't know.
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Posted by: carbon-based on Mar 18, 2008 6:25 PM
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Then I heard him say something that didn't quite sit right. He was caught in a lie. He originally had said he never heard his pastor say any of those racist anti American comments. In his speech, he then acknowledged that he indeed did hear his pastor make those comments.
So now I have to ask why did he stay in that chrurch for all those years and forge a close relationship with this guy knowing how racist he was.
And the thing that really puzzles me is that I'm probably still going to vote for him!
I like the guy (hate his wife and pasator)and even though caught in a lie, I respect him for having the balls to standing with his racist pastor.
So America is gojng to be stupid enough to elect a racist President - can it be any worse than a white warmonger!
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Posted by: macaac on Mar 18, 2008 8:14 PM
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Free Ride indeed, he has made himself a cult.
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Posted by: cyit on Mar 18, 2008 8:34 PM
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Black oratory, or black preaching, has traditionally had elements of exaggeration, both in style and content. And Church folk, Black Church Folk, know this, and understand this.
Taken in isolation, and heard from the perspective of uninformed (ignorant) white journalists, black academicians, and the like; Dr. Jeremiah Wrights comments seem off base.
But in the context of traditional black preaching, Dr. Wright's comments are expressive of a deep suspicion of our government and lingering resentment over past and present wrongs.
Informed black church folk got the message in the expression of the words, more so than the words themselves. Read the history of coded messages in the songs of African slaves.
Black oral communication is so full of codes and symbolism that we take for granted; we don't even think about it until whites dare to comment on and criticize that which they do not understand.
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Posted by: bessie on Mar 18, 2008 10:16 PM
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What a gal - willing to throw kitchen sinks and rules and anything else out the window. She truly represents the lower ground & people who support her must truly be the same. Who supports a ballot with only one name as an honest election? That's Hillary. Let's be clear too that it was during the Clinton Administration that the most important regulatory law was lifted from Wall Street. So as our economy tanks, I'm waiting for Obama's speech about this and not Hillary's one. You know the one where she tells us, 'I'm glad he spoke about that - it's very important"
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Posted by: wisewebwoman on Mar 18, 2008 11:09 PM
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They prefer today?
They want an untested Fundie Christian in the White House?
To do what?
To continue the devastation, turmoil and economic cataclysm of the past eight years?
To make even more enemies and lose more respect out in the real world?
Oh, I get it.
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Posted by: yeti on Mar 19, 2008 2:50 AM
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The man would be no different to any moderate Republican if he weren't half black -family values, religion, set gender roles, elite education, votes for ownership of guns& CONCEALED carrying of guns for retired police!?
Well, Obama is from the old-boy network of Harvard
He could be a pretty successful religious preacher judging by what I saw
Many male journos have really been taken in by the 'marketing' of Obama. It's great to have a shining male hope just when some woman seemed to be heading for the Whitehouse. Oh no, we can't have that, a woman?! Perhaps Obama himself in a moment of patriarchal clarity saw a chance to seize upon this when he decided to run during this campaign. Wld he have run agst Gore, Kerry?
A few empty words later &we realize in our sobriety how cleverly he fooled us during the party. The man is a religious conservative- don't be fooled into thinking otherwise
Anyone can peddle empty words. I too often rifle thru the thesaurus to come up with synonyms to aggrandize my writing...when I was a highschool debater! But for x's sake, this isn't an academic exercise in hearing the sound of one's own voice.It's about real issues & people. Get off your school debate soapbox Mr Obama and say something REAL!
The things he keeps saying 'hope','hope'&'as Americans we are all similar','we're more similar than different'. What a load of garbage. The one fact about America that even WE admit is that we are so different. From Eastcoast liberals to red-necks & everything between, the whole country is impossible to compartmentalize as one
If you want to treat everyone as the same, then you will never solve any real issues. We are different. Now treat us with specific, targeted solutions. We don't want to take a Tylenol for our cancer. We don't want an Anacin for our heart condition. You can't give us rhetoric like a painkiller and kiss us goodnight
The country is divided, and no amount of PAPERING OVER WITH RHETORIC will ever solve any real issues
I am fed up with more empty words from someone who does not have a clue about how the world's differences really affect the social, emotional and material direction of our lives
If he had worked for no money eg. in some charity, I'd have been more convinced by his words. But he was a corporate lawyer. I don't need some corporate lawyer from Harvard to tell me about 'hope'. Easy for him. When you're that privileged or that steeped in politics, all you do need is hope. For the rest of us-for the poor, the unemployed,the sick, you need a damn sight more than 'hope'. You need solutions
Pro-Obamaites-If you think you haven't fallen for the hype, try comparing Obama to Kucinich or Nader, & then reconsider your opinions of Obama. They're male so the gender thing is out of the equation. Obama is a religious, corporate rightwinger in comparison
Finally Obama is a snake. What a wily politician. To go to church with the Reverend, be friends for years, follow his words, until erm, the Revd came out & said stuff that could hurt Obama's campaign. Then cut him out. Distance him from yourself. That's nice. That's just the kind of person you can trust. One who changes his spots to suit each opportunity. I prefer the devil I know to the devil I don't, & I see that Obama cannot be trusted
The spin from Obama's camp works so well that supposedly leftwing people fall for it
The sad fact of our world is so many good people fall for spin, hype, &marketing tripe. I'm fed up with it. That's why I choose a candidate who just says what she is & that's that. Maybe you don't like her;maybe she seems hard, but I consider lies and misrepresentations of the nature of our problems to be far worse
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Posted by: TJ-stars4peace on Mar 18, 2008 12:00 PM
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It was too me more akin to preaching to the choir..
Those Obama had to reach were those who will be influenced by the swift boating to come in the general election and those susceptible to the accusations God forbid that's he is Muslim..
I don't think this speech which was properly focused and short and direct..enough it was as usual to general and vague and generic..even to some degree a rationalization..
Having run for elected office what he needed was something strong short focused direct and unequivocal..!
This speech was not that it lacked the sound bites he needed to create..
The proof is if this story and problem caused by Rev. Wright goes away..I suspect it will not, to the degree he hoped from this speech..
I saw the I Have A Dream Speech given live this was not that..no matter how much it is spun by who ever may try and spin it..
Had I written any of it for him I'd have hammered on:
"The America I see is an America of one standard and one people American, that can in our future be the only standard..The more we differentiate the more we discriminate, that is the hope I have, that is my dream as Martin had a dream and that is the change I want to bring..!"
"If we do not come together as a people one people then we will fail in this ever more competitive and dangerous world..which sees us as Americans not all these different sub divisions and groups with our whole but Americans and if we do not work together then we shall fail together..!"
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Let's say for instance that I'm wrong and Obama really does want to bring about change. So did JFK. So did MLK. Noticing a pattern here? Obama won't because he can't and that's the end of it.
Until we get the money out of politics we are having a debate about the substance of nothing. Dumb-downed America will continue to ridicule and blame Kucinich and Nader for our own shortcomings when in fact real change via "people before profits" policies are what is sorely needed for the rebuilding of this nation and world. It should not surprise me that Americans fall for this tripe. It will also not surprise me when they regret it.....over and over again when they do it again in another four years. This country was over as soon as the Federal Reserve got chartered in 1913.
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Posted by: A.V. on Mar 18, 2008 12:28 PM
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Who is brave enough to come to a higher level of thinking and self-effacement? If not the people of this country, then who?
Obama said it himself, it's not about Obama. It's about YOU, people of the United States! YOU have the power to change yourselves. No politician, pastor or employer, distraction or drug will do it for you. It's about listening to and loving each other, living the golden rule, and learning to hear from the spirit of God that lives in and speaks to our hearts.
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Posted by: Sojourner on Mar 18, 2008 1:00 PM
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As a people, we are facing a most critical time. We cannot afford to get our priorities twisted. We will need the cooperation and best efforts of every American to survive the looming catastrophes of climate and energy. The petrochemical age is coming to a close and along with it the petrodollar.
It is ironic that we must choose between two outstanding leaders after 30 years of mediocrity. Hillary can get the necessary work done faster than anyone. But I am afraid she could be beat by a McCain/Rice ticket. Barack can win, and that is what the times call for.
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Posted by: wisewebwoman on Mar 18, 2008 1:32 PM
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That is if we must get into the colour of anyone's skin.
Grow up America!
Deal with the real issues. Hope ain't an issue.
A tanking economy is. Illegal invasions of other countries are. No meters on the oil wells of Iraq are. Foreclosures are. The greatest single transfer of wealth from public to private ownership in the history of the world is.
Wake up!
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Posted by: rickiey on Mar 18, 2008 1:56 PM
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How DARE Obama disagree with the man's political views and still agree with his religious ones? Religion and politics are inseperable!!
If the founding fathers would have wanted there to be some form of seperation between church and state, they'd have written it somewhere!!
Wait, what? They what? Oh, well, in that case, never mind.
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Posted by: SOWILO on Mar 18, 2008 2:18 PM
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Obama is as big of a moron as Bush.
I'm voting for Nader.
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Posted by: Hearthis2 on Mar 18, 2008 2:35 PM
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The proof that he lacks sanity? You do not HANG out with people you do NOT believe in.
You cannot hang out with your church for years and years and then when you are found out say with smooth talk, "OH, we need to be TOGETHER as a nation, we need hope for ALL races...etc."
Obama wants to be presient so he can carry out his agenda...just like Bush had an agenda...
Let me tell you...I grew up in the Northeast when the Blacks forced Whites from neighborhoods in the sixties...they turned it around on us..called it the "White Flight," and said WE were prejudice...we opened our hearts and our doors to help...we were physically wounded doing so...we had to leave...we lost our homes, our community, our children lost thier friends, thier schools...WE WERE ALL WILLING TO SHARE...
The Black drive is NOT to JOIN Whites in community...it is to have Whites pay for something we did not do...something that was done nearly three-hundred years ago...STARTED by the Blacks in Africa...sold to the European Portguese...and then brought here to the states and sold to WhITEs...but for some reason only WE are responsible...
What happened in the sixties .... was BOTH races.
What is happening now? Per capita...Black on Black and Black on White crime is higher than White on Black crime.
It is time to Stop EVERYTHING. Stop Affirmative Action, stop cow-towing to a race which has learned to holler "poor me."
When the first Democratic primary went down at Howard University this past fall, one of the professors there asked the candidates, "If elected, what will you do for the BLACK community."
Unfortunately not ONE of them had the balls to say, "Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what YOU can do for your country." But therein lies the problem. Black Americans do not consider themselves apart of AMERICA. They wish to be segregated...self-imposed segregation...by people like Wright and Farakhan....and OBAMA.
Vote for Obama will only serve to further seperate the races.
It is quite evident and should be to ALL that it is NOT the Whites who have a problem with race (of course there are isolated incidents), it is the BLACKS.
They took down entertainer IMUS...but they didnt take down Chris Rock (no offense to Chris Rock, I think he is funny), however, he is just as bad as IMUS...only one example...
There is an old saying, "What is fair for the goose is fair for the gander."
Black AMerica...it is time like Bill Cosby says for you to STOP whinning and get up off the couch and join your neighbors to make your community a better place by embracing each other's diversness.
Obama sucks...he is racist...you don't hang out with the KKK unless you are, and thus you don't hang out with Black militants unless you are...NO matter what kind of crap is coming out of your mouth...
ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS.
His speech is Bullshit...his speech is hogwash...
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Posted by: Hearthis2 on Mar 18, 2008 2:35 PM
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The proof that he lacks sanity? You do not HANG out with people you do NOT believe in.
You cannot hang out with your church for years and years and then when you are found out say with smooth talk, "OH, we need to be TOGETHER as a nation, we need hope for ALL races...etc."
Obama wants to be presient so he can carry out his agenda...just like Bush had an agenda...
Let me tell you...I grew up in the Northeast when the Blacks forced Whites from neighborhoods in the sixties...they turned it around on us..called it the "White Flight," and said WE were prejudice...we opened our hearts and our doors to help...we were physically wounded doing so...we had to leave...we lost our homes, our community, our children lost thier friends, thier schools...WE WERE ALL WILLING TO SHARE...
The Black drive is NOT to JOIN Whites in community...it is to have Whites pay for something we did not do...something that was done nearly three-hundred years ago...STARTED by the Blacks in Africa...sold to the European Portguese...and then brought here to the states and sold to WhITEs...but for some reason only WE are responsible...
What happened in the sixties .... was BOTH races.
What is happening now? Per capita...Black on Black and Black on White crime is higher than White on Black crime.
It is time to Stop EVERYTHING. Stop Affirmative Action, stop cow-towing to a race which has learned to holler "poor me."
When the first Democratic primary went down at Howard University this past fall, one of the professors there asked the candidates, "If elected, what will you do for the BLACK community."
Unfortunately not ONE of them had the balls to say, "Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what YOU can do for your country." But therein lies the problem. Black Americans do not consider themselves apart of AMERICA. They wish to be segregated...self-imposed segregation...by people like Wright and Farakhan....and OBAMA.
Vote for Obama will only serve to further seperate the races.
It is quite evident and should be to ALL that it is NOT the Whites who have a problem with race (of course there are isolated incidents), it is the BLACKS.
They took down entertainer IMUS...but they didnt take down Chris Rock (no offense to Chris Rock, I think he is funny), however, he is just as bad as IMUS...only one example...
There is an old saying, "What is fair for the goose is fair for the gander."
Black AMerica...it is time like Bill Cosby says for you to STOP whinning and get up off the couch and join your neighbors to make your community a better place by embracing each other's diversness.
Obama sucks...he is racist...you don't hang out with the KKK unless you are, and thus you don't hang out with Black militants unless you are...NO matter what kind of crap is coming out of your mouth...
ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS.
His speech is Bullshit...his speech is hogwash...
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Posted by: Kym525 on Mar 18, 2008 3:30 PM
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His speech was dead-on, and the problem is that way too many people want to spend time in the negative, or they prefer to continue things as they are. This should have never been an issue in the first place. Who really gives a damn what Jeremiah Wright said anyway? Frankly it's pretty hypocritical for anyone in this forum to criticize Rev. Wright because many of you have echoed the same words.
Oh wait--it's an angry black man--let's be scared now!
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Posted by: Red Clover on Mar 18, 2008 3:55 PM
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Obama reframed the challenges in America in many ways today. That's what a leader does, too. He revealed himself as head-and-shoulders above anything we have come to know about McCain or Hillary.
Now he just has to win, and then have strong support among enough Washington insiders to govern.
I am pretty sure I know what I am going to get from a Hillary or McCain set of government initiatives. Pretty much more Republican Lite. I think Obama is the right person for this country, especially if we go into an economic crash. And he doesn't have one policy on the table to deal with that.
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Posted by: jmooney on Mar 18, 2008 3:57 PM
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Someone mentioned why Barack doesn't address his mother all that much, but he did say in the preface to the latest edition of the book about his childhood that had he known she was going to die so early he might have thought more to focus on the parent who was there rather than the one who wasn't. I think it is natural for a person to focus on the parent who wasn't there (his dad was pretty much out of his life by age 2), either hating that parent or building him and her into some sort of idealized personage.
I sort of doubt that Barack is all that caught up on religious dogma and wanted to be part of an organization that sought to lift up African Americans.
By Barack's own account, his mother was a secular humanist. And she's the one who primarily raised him. And his grandfather was a rather eclectic man when it came to matters of the spirit (he briefly joined Unitarian Universalists -- and organization to which I belong -- until his wife put the kibosh on that).
So, I wish we lived in a society where a man like Barack Obama could focus on secular humanism, but if he did that he probably couldn't get elected dog catcher in this country.
So, I commend him for joining an organization that seeks to uplift African Americans, and for sticking with that church in spite of some differences between him and his minister. It is clear that he mustn't have been thinking of running for president (despite his early "kindergarten papers") or if he did he had the courage to stay with that church anyway.
The solution to much of the problems in the lives of African Americans who are struggling lies in their hands. Sure, society is still an impediment, but when people like Obama can rise to where he is, and Rice, and Powell, etc., that shows success is possible for African Americans. To reach that black underclass we need people like Barack Obama to set an example, to call people to a higher level.
In my hometown we had a chance a few years ago to elect a great African American as our mayor. I live in a southern city, and he had been our sheriff. He was good enough to oversee the jail house but not good enough to be mayor as he was trounced by some rich, white politcal neophyte. Now, our city is in the grip of a great murder epidemic, and most of that is in black community. We missed an opportunity to perhaps change the dynamics of the black community in our city by not voting for this man.
I like Obama's sticking with an activist, black-oriented church, and I like that he has that secular humanistic background (which he can't much talk about). That his pastor says inflammatory stuff...does anyone really think Obama buys all that? He just doesn't seem like the kind of person who would feed into that. Like most people in an organization, he takes what he needs from it and leaves the rest.
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Posted by: democracynowiniraq on Mar 18, 2008 6:09 PM
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If I have to choose between the 2 Dems, I'll take Hillary. Because the "evil" I know is better than the "evil" I don't know.
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Then I heard him say something that didn't quite sit right. He was caught in a lie. He originally had said he never heard his pastor say any of those racist anti American comments. In his speech, he then acknowledged that he indeed did hear his pastor make those comments.
So now I have to ask why did he stay in that chrurch for all those years and forge a close relationship with this guy knowing how racist he was.
And the thing that really puzzles me is that I'm probably still going to vote for him!
I like the guy (hate his wife and pasator)and even though caught in a lie, I respect him for having the balls to standing with his racist pastor.
So America is gojng to be stupid enough to elect a racist President - can it be any worse than a white warmonger!
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Free Ride indeed, he has made himself a cult.
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Posted by: cyit on Mar 18, 2008 8:34 PM
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Black oratory, or black preaching, has traditionally had elements of exaggeration, both in style and content. And Church folk, Black Church Folk, know this, and understand this.
Taken in isolation, and heard from the perspective of uninformed (ignorant) white journalists, black academicians, and the like; Dr. Jeremiah Wrights comments seem off base.
But in the context of traditional black preaching, Dr. Wright's comments are expressive of a deep suspicion of our government and lingering resentment over past and present wrongs.
Informed black church folk got the message in the expression of the words, more so than the words themselves. Read the history of coded messages in the songs of African slaves.
Black oral communication is so full of codes and symbolism that we take for granted; we don't even think about it until whites dare to comment on and criticize that which they do not understand.
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Posted by: bessie on Mar 18, 2008 10:16 PM
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What a gal - willing to throw kitchen sinks and rules and anything else out the window. She truly represents the lower ground & people who support her must truly be the same. Who supports a ballot with only one name as an honest election? That's Hillary. Let's be clear too that it was during the Clinton Administration that the most important regulatory law was lifted from Wall Street. So as our economy tanks, I'm waiting for Obama's speech about this and not Hillary's one. You know the one where she tells us, 'I'm glad he spoke about that - it's very important"
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Posted by: wisewebwoman on Mar 18, 2008 11:09 PM
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They prefer today?
They want an untested Fundie Christian in the White House?
To do what?
To continue the devastation, turmoil and economic cataclysm of the past eight years?
To make even more enemies and lose more respect out in the real world?
Oh, I get it.
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Posted by: yeti on Mar 19, 2008 2:50 AM
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The man would be no different to any moderate Republican if he weren't half black -family values, religion, set gender roles, elite education, votes for ownership of guns& CONCEALED carrying of guns for retired police!?
Well, Obama is from the old-boy network of Harvard
He could be a pretty successful religious preacher judging by what I saw
Many male journos have really been taken in by the 'marketing' of Obama. It's great to have a shining male hope just when some woman seemed to be heading for the Whitehouse. Oh no, we can't have that, a woman?! Perhaps Obama himself in a moment of patriarchal clarity saw a chance to seize upon this when he decided to run during this campaign. Wld he have run agst Gore, Kerry?
A few empty words later &we realize in our sobriety how cleverly he fooled us during the party. The man is a religious conservative- don't be fooled into thinking otherwise
Anyone can peddle empty words. I too often rifle thru the thesaurus to come up with synonyms to aggrandize my writing...when I was a highschool debater! But for x's sake, this isn't an academic exercise in hearing the sound of one's own voice.It's about real issues & people. Get off your school debate soapbox Mr Obama and say something REAL!
The things he keeps saying 'hope','hope'&'as Americans we are all similar','we're more similar than different'. What a load of garbage. The one fact about America that even WE admit is that we are so different. From Eastcoast liberals to red-necks & everything between, the whole country is impossible to compartmentalize as one
If you want to treat everyone as the same, then you will never solve any real issues. We are different. Now treat us with specific, targeted solutions. We don't want to take a Tylenol for our cancer. We don't want an Anacin for our heart condition. You can't give us rhetoric like a painkiller and kiss us goodnight
The country is divided, and no amount of PAPERING OVER WITH RHETORIC will ever solve any real issues
I am fed up with more empty words from someone who does not have a clue about how the world's differences really affect the social, emotional and material direction of our lives
If he had worked for no money eg. in some charity, I'd have been more convinced by his words. But he was a corporate lawyer. I don't need some corporate lawyer from Harvard to tell me about 'hope'. Easy for him. When you're that privileged or that steeped in politics, all you do need is hope. For the rest of us-for the poor, the unemployed,the sick, you need a damn sight more than 'hope'. You need solutions
Pro-Obamaites-If you think you haven't fallen for the hype, try comparing Obama to Kucinich or Nader, & then reconsider your opinions of Obama. They're male so the gender thing is out of the equation. Obama is a religious, corporate rightwinger in comparison
Finally Obama is a snake. What a wily politician. To go to church with the Reverend, be friends for years, follow his words, until erm, the Revd came out & said stuff that could hurt Obama's campaign. Then cut him out. Distance him from yourself. That's nice. That's just the kind of person you can trust. One who changes his spots to suit each opportunity. I prefer the devil I know to the devil I don't, & I see that Obama cannot be trusted
The spin from Obama's camp works so well that supposedly leftwing people fall for it
The sad fact of our world is so many good people fall for spin, hype, &marketing tripe. I'm fed up with it. That's why I choose a candidate who just says what she is & that's that. Maybe you don't like her;maybe she seems hard, but I consider lies and misrepresentations of the nature of our problems to be far worse
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» Speech eloquently stated and pointed-out the truth
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» You really are a hateful and venomous one, aren't you?
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