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Who Can Deliver More Political Change -- Hillary or Obama?
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Though Sen. Clinton's performance left many political observers wondering if the long campaign had finally gotten to her, Sen. Obama brushed off the affront with a smile and a generous critique.
"Well, I thought Sen. Clinton showed some good humor there," he said in a Feb. 26 debate. "I would give her points for delivery."
But the larger question underscored by the "celestial choir" argument is who has the better chance to achieve real political change in Washington, Clinton or Obama? Indeed, that dispute could be the last major question the Democrats must answer before the primary battles come to an end.
Essentially, Hillary Clinton has argued that significant reforms, such as universal health care, can be achieved only through "hard work" and a readiness to "fight" the special interests and Republican obstructionists.
She frequently cites her bitter history with what she once famously dubbed the "vast right-wing conspiracy" -- when Republicans like Newt Gingrich and Tom DeLay teamed up with powerful media outlets like Rush Limbaugh's radio show and Fox News to impeach her husband in the late 1990s.
Even earlier, she saw her treasured health care initiative reach Congress virtually dead on arrival, the victim of astute lobbyists for the medical and insurance industries who pounced on her every misstep.
During Campaign 2008, Sen. Clinton has argued that she learned her lessons and is now better prepared to prevail if she is elected president.
By contrast, Obama maintains that real change can only come if the American people are fully engaged in the political battle, that they must keep the pressure on their representatives in Congress to bring "change from below."
Obama also talks about reaching beyond the Democratic Party to enlist many independents and some Republicans, an expectation that some tough-minded Democrats view as hopelessly nave, what they call his "Kumbayah" approach.
Who's Right?
In a sense, neither Clinton nor Obama is offering a fully accurate analysis, although it is possible that Obama is not giving his total picture because to do so might sound too partisan and thus alienate non-Democratic voters.
The simple fact is that the Democrats probably can achieve significant change only if they soundly defeat the Republicans. Numbers will matter. If the Democrats win the White House in a close election and maintain their slim congressional majorities, the political dynamic won't be transformed.
If the Democrats have only a slight edge in Congress, the Republicans could be expected to use the filibuster to frustrate legislation and count on their influential media allies to put the new president on the defensive, much like they did to Bill Clinton in the 1990s.
Democrats, who dream about "moderate Republicans" -- the likes of Olympia Snowe, Susan Collins and Arlen Specter -- abandoning their party on key votes, haven't examined the congressional history of the past quarter century. Rarely do the GOP "moderates" cast meaningful votes that advance the Democratic agenda.
If there is a closely divided Congress, Hillary Clinton's commitment to "hard work" and her determination to "fight" would offer little promise of success. The Republicans have long demonstrated that they possess a determination and staying power that can match anything the Democrats can deliver.
So, the only real hope for change would seem to be a Democratic landslide -- for the presidency and Congress. The Democrats would have to take chances to stretch the political landscape and push into traditional "red states."
That means they would need a presidential candidate with old-fashioned coattails, someone who can lift the Democratic Senate majority close to 60 -- enough to thwart a filibuster -- and build a substantial House majority.
Even then, change would be difficult. Many Democrats are as beholden to the special interests as the Republicans are -- and the well-financed right-wing attack machine has no intention of dismantling itself, instead it might look forward to another period of playing offense as it did in the 1990s.
Still, this imperative for the Democrats to win big -- and thus be in position to pass significant legislation -- would seem to play to Obama's advantage, given his oratorical skills and his broader appeal.
Polls show that Hillary Clinton remains a divisive figure with high negatives and with large numbers of voters vowing never to support her. It appears that she could prevail in the general election but probably not by a sizable margin.
In contrast, Obama doesn't have her high negatives, at least not yet. He also seems to have an inclusive style that attracts many political independents as well as some disgruntled Republicans.
Obama has what baseball scouts might call a big upside. Of course, he also can expect an aggressive effort by Republicans to define him in a harshly negative way and exaggerate his downside. Some Clinton operatives have already tried that, with only limited success.
Though the risks are surely there, Obama does appear to be the only candidate left in the race with the potential to achieve a transformational change in American politics.
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Posted by: rickiey on Mar 4, 2008 1:48 AM
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Perhaps years ago, Hillary Clinton would have been a candidate for change.
Now she's just another former Walmart boad member, Washington DC beltway insider, who is as close to being George W. Bush as you can get without being named Cheney.
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Posted by: carbon-based on Mar 4, 2008 5:34 AM
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One only needs to look no further than our esteemed Democratic congress to get a hint of what the next democratic President would be like. Not much different than the last President as world event will dictate much of the agenda.
Obama or McCain might be able to work across the aisle better than Clinton. None of them would hesitate to go into Afghanistan or even Pakistan for that matter to bomb terrorists. All three are inherently pro-choice and think pretty much alike within degrees.
Obama gets my vote as of now, not because of some grand policy that the others don't have, but because he seems to be able to reinvigorate the nation after 8 years of Bush - and I don't think he'll give the store away to the terrorists or immigrants!
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Posted by: bacalove on Mar 4, 2008 6:34 AM
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Who released the Canadian Memo and distorted its contents--, where did that come from and who called Goolsbee to a meeting and conveniently set him up? Who pushed up Rezko's trial which, was to start much later this year? Why did the Somali picture come out, along with Farrakahn endoresement and a radio jock mocking of Obama's middle name? Which was allowed to be played over and over again by the Main-stream media. We have to ask these things? Who wants to Kill unity and hope? Was this part of the Kitchen Sink or may be the Basement (Swiftboating)? I do know its dirty politics and until we reject this kind of politicking in America we will be a pawn in their hands, the people of power, and never find our true Independence and Voice which Obama is offering. The Evil Ones are just getting started, warmed up. Someone is trying to pull our strings. The Truth will come out, however. Hopefully, America we can see through this Rouse this time and elect CHANGE!
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Posted by: vivi on Mar 4, 2008 8:17 PM
Current rating: 5 [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Do not for a moment believe those who say “but bribery is already illegal.” In fact, it has been institutionalized by the way that political campaigns are funded and conducted “under prevailing law” Real change can only come if the power is returned to the people, rescued from the hands of special interests motivated by greed rather than the public good.
Here is a Constitutional Amendment to prohibit bribery and the sale of public office-- one that can make politics an honorable profession. Today honest Politicians who fight the system know they will be out-campaigned by others who are better financed by special interests and will lose office.
But, how can we get such an amendment passed under the prevailing system? It would seem impossible -- but it is not.
We suggest that you forward this amendment to ALL of your elected officials (national, state, and local) and ask them to support it. If they do not respond, or if they try to argue that prevailing law is enough, refuse to vote for them -- ever! Vote only for candidates who are pledged to support this idea. Remember that Constitutional Amendments must pass the proper number of State legislatures as well.
If you have not been voting due to disgust with the system, register now! Register as “independent” if you wish, but put good government before political affiliation.
Constitutional Amendment against Bribery
1) Bribery of any public official of the United States or of any of the several States shall constitute a felony. The solicitation or receipt of bribery by such persons shall constitute a felony and is a high crime against this Constitution. This amendment shall not be construed to lessen the seriousness of any crime covered by existing legislation.
2) The public offence of bribery includes the offering or giving of payment in any shape or form that it may be a motive in the performance of official functions for which the proper motive is a conscientious sense of duty as accepted by such public official by his or her Oath or Affirmation to support this Constitution.
3) The same laws against bribery that currently affect appointed officials in each jurisdiction, shall also affect elected officials and judges. Bribery may not be disguised in the form of gifts to family members or associates, campaign contributions, or commitments for future employment.
4) Public office involving policy-making functions or policy implementation, may not be bought or sold. This applies to governmental positions of the United States and of the several States. The buying or selling of such a public office shall constitute a felony under this Constitution. Persons seeking elective office shall not spend in such pursuit of election a sum of personal funds that is more than half of the salary to be earned while in that office; to do so shall constitute an effort to buy public office.
5) Honest government, being necessary to the security of a free State, elected public officials shall be paid salaries that are independently adjudged to be commensurate with their responsibilities.
6) The Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.
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For purposes of Googling, etc., this amendment is cited as the “gilroyinitiative”
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Posted by: rickiey on Mar 4, 2008 1:48 AM
Current rating: 5 [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Perhaps years ago, Hillary Clinton would have been a candidate for change.
Now she's just another former Walmart boad member, Washington DC beltway insider, who is as close to being George W. Bush as you can get without being named Cheney.
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Posted by: carbon-based on Mar 4, 2008 5:34 AM
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One only needs to look no further than our esteemed Democratic congress to get a hint of what the next democratic President would be like. Not much different than the last President as world event will dictate much of the agenda.
Obama or McCain might be able to work across the aisle better than Clinton. None of them would hesitate to go into Afghanistan or even Pakistan for that matter to bomb terrorists. All three are inherently pro-choice and think pretty much alike within degrees.
Obama gets my vote as of now, not because of some grand policy that the others don't have, but because he seems to be able to reinvigorate the nation after 8 years of Bush - and I don't think he'll give the store away to the terrorists or immigrants!
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Posted by: bacalove on Mar 4, 2008 6:34 AM
Current rating: 5 [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Who released the Canadian Memo and distorted its contents--, where did that come from and who called Goolsbee to a meeting and conveniently set him up? Who pushed up Rezko's trial which, was to start much later this year? Why did the Somali picture come out, along with Farrakahn endoresement and a radio jock mocking of Obama's middle name? Which was allowed to be played over and over again by the Main-stream media. We have to ask these things? Who wants to Kill unity and hope? Was this part of the Kitchen Sink or may be the Basement (Swiftboating)? I do know its dirty politics and until we reject this kind of politicking in America we will be a pawn in their hands, the people of power, and never find our true Independence and Voice which Obama is offering. The Evil Ones are just getting started, warmed up. Someone is trying to pull our strings. The Truth will come out, however. Hopefully, America we can see through this Rouse this time and elect CHANGE!
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Posted by: vivi on Mar 4, 2008 8:17 PM
Current rating: 5 [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Do not for a moment believe those who say “but bribery is already illegal.” In fact, it has been institutionalized by the way that political campaigns are funded and conducted “under prevailing law” Real change can only come if the power is returned to the people, rescued from the hands of special interests motivated by greed rather than the public good.
Here is a Constitutional Amendment to prohibit bribery and the sale of public office-- one that can make politics an honorable profession. Today honest Politicians who fight the system know they will be out-campaigned by others who are better financed by special interests and will lose office.
But, how can we get such an amendment passed under the prevailing system? It would seem impossible -- but it is not.
We suggest that you forward this amendment to ALL of your elected officials (national, state, and local) and ask them to support it. If they do not respond, or if they try to argue that prevailing law is enough, refuse to vote for them -- ever! Vote only for candidates who are pledged to support this idea. Remember that Constitutional Amendments must pass the proper number of State legislatures as well.
If you have not been voting due to disgust with the system, register now! Register as “independent” if you wish, but put good government before political affiliation.
Constitutional Amendment against Bribery
1) Bribery of any public official of the United States or of any of the several States shall constitute a felony. The solicitation or receipt of bribery by such persons shall constitute a felony and is a high crime against this Constitution. This amendment shall not be construed to lessen the seriousness of any crime covered by existing legislation.
2) The public offence of bribery includes the offering or giving of payment in any shape or form that it may be a motive in the performance of official functions for which the proper motive is a conscientious sense of duty as accepted by such public official by his or her Oath or Affirmation to support this Constitution.
3) The same laws against bribery that currently affect appointed officials in each jurisdiction, shall also affect elected officials and judges. Bribery may not be disguised in the form of gifts to family members or associates, campaign contributions, or commitments for future employment.
4) Public office involving policy-making functions or policy implementation, may not be bought or sold. This applies to governmental positions of the United States and of the several States. The buying or selling of such a public office shall constitute a felony under this Constitution. Persons seeking elective office shall not spend in such pursuit of election a sum of personal funds that is more than half of the salary to be earned while in that office; to do so shall constitute an effort to buy public office.
5) Honest government, being necessary to the security of a free State, elected public officials shall be paid salaries that are independently adjudged to be commensurate with their responsibilities.
6) The Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.
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For purposes of Googling, etc., this amendment is cited as the “gilroyinitiative”
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