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Election 2008

Hillary Will Never Say Die, But Tuesday Could Be Her Last Gasp

By Paul Harris, The Observer UK. Posted March 3, 2008.


This week's primaries in delegate-rich Ohio and Texas may well be her last roll of the dice.
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It did not look like a political wake. Senator Hillary Clinton emerged into a basketball stadium in Houston wearing a bright red jacket, beaming broadly and waving at thousands of screaming supporters.

Gene Green, a Texan congressman, introduced her with confident words predicting her return to the White House. 'I think we have a president standing on this platform! The next president of the United States!' he shouted. Clinton carried on the mood of hopeful triumph. She skilfully worked the crowd, hushing it with touching anecdotes and sparking cheers with exhortations to support her. 'It is beginning to grow,' she said of her Texas campaign. 'We are moving!'

But the cracks in Clinton's bid for the presidency were also on display. Though 6,000 people had come to the Delmar Sports Complex in the Houston suburbs, there were many empty blue seats in the stadium. High up in the top tier, whole rows went unfilled.

Clinton is in the battle of her life and the odds are against her. And it is not only a fight to be the next occupant of the White House. It is also about the legacy that Clinton and her husband, Bill, have left America and whether they still have a role to play.

They are also willing to play nasty to emerge victorious. American TV screens are now full of one of the most aggressive attack ads in recent history. Dubbed 'Children', it in effect suggests that a vote for Barack Obama will lead to such weakness on national security that the American homeland will be in peril. It is shot over pictures of sleeping babies and it appeals directly to the 'security moms' demographic that Clinton needs.

But the facts on the ground remain the same. It has finally come down to this: on Tuesday, Clinton needs to win Texas and Ohio. Anything less could force her from the race and spell the end of the Clinton dynasty. The revered Clinton brand, once so confident of a second act, is now desperately fighting to stop the curtain coming down early.

Even her most ardent fans have doubts. Toy Halsey, 67, had waited for hours to see Clinton in Houston. But would Clinton win Texas? 'I hope so,' Halsey said, and then looked unsure. 'It is going to be hard,' she admitted. Later, as Clinton's speech wore on, a steady trickle of supporters left early. They were like loyal fans near the end of a football match ducking out because they knew their side was going to lose.

It was not meant to be like this. It has been forgotten in the rush to write the Clintons' political obituaries, but for most of last year Clinton ran a flawless campaign. She dominated through the spring and summer and early autumn, fending off the challenge from the upstart Obama. Then, during a televised debate on 30 October, she fluffed a question about driving licences for illegal immigrants. Suddenly it was open season on Clinton. First came defeat in Iowa. Then followed a disastrous performance in South Carolina. She steadied herself on Super Tuesday, before the momentum behind Obama propelled him to 11 straight victories.

Now Clinton's presidential hopes are pinned on winning Texas and Ohio. Yet neither looks certain. She still leads in Ohio, where her blue-collar support seems to be giving her a narrow lead. But, in Texas, Obama has now nudged ahead, mobilising his familiar combination of black, educated professional and young voters. If previous contests are a guide, once Obama has overturned a Clinton lead in a state, he tends to win it. 'Times have changed. The reality is that the Clinton campaign is now in a place that they never expected to be in,' said Professor Shawn Bowler, a political scientist at the University of California at Riverside.

If Clinton's ambitions for the 2008 White House do die in Texas, it will be a fitting full stop. For it was here, back in 1972, that a youthful Hillary Rodham and her boyfriend, Bill Clinton, worked on voter registration for the anti-Vietnam war candidacy of George McGovern. That was her first big political experience in the field. Now, as she seeks to be America's first woman President, the Clintons are back where it all began.

Her campaign here is pulling out all the stops. As Clinton arrived at the Houston rally, it would be her third speech of the day. Her voice was not just hoarse because of recent campaigning. It has been hoarse for weeks as one of the most gruelling battles in memory has played out across the country. Yet Clinton herself still seemed on top form. Her stump speech was powerful and delivered with enthusiasm. The crowd responded too. The cheers, amplified by the small indoor venue, were deafening.

Nor is Clinton alone in her fight. Chelsea Clinton has been cutting a trail across American campuses. And, of course, Bill Clinton has been pounding through Ohio and Texas on a punishing schedule. He can make up to half-a-dozen appearances a day, on the stump for his wife in a bid to return to the lost glories of his own days in the White House.

Yet the Bill Clinton campaigning now is different from the one whose actions in South Carolina - playing the race card and talking about himself more than his spouse - helped derail her candidacy. In a rally on a college campus in Austin, he even said she would be a better president than he had been. 'I believe that if you elect her... you will have more jobs, more broadly based prosperity, during her presidency than when I was president. You will never have a chance to vote for a better change-maker,' he said.


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Clinton will Win Ohio and Texas--and Go On
Posted by: dayahka on Mar 3, 2008 10:50 AM   
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Hillary is going to win Ohio, RI, and Texas; she will continue her campaign, and that is good, not because I want her to win, but because I want no Democrat to win in November. The Republicans have destroyed the country, so let a Republican preside over the end of the First American Republic, then a Democrat can take over in four years and lead the Second American Revolution into the Second American Republic.

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» RE: Thanks, derkonig74! Posted by: Longdream
McLaughlin on PBS says "Not so fast"... Hillary wins BOTH Ohio AND Texas
Posted by: xbj on Mar 3, 2008 11:01 AM   
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And doggone it, that man is ALWAYS right.

So I'll thank the MSM and Alternet from having the coronation ceremony already...

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» RE: McLaughlin? Posted by: Longdream
» MY GOD you people DRIVE ME INSANE Posted by: abbadon2007
» DO NOT WANT Posted by: meetmeineleusis
» RE: DO NOT WANT Posted by: abbadon2007
» finding myself losing interest Posted by: meetmeineleusis
» RE: Posted by: EncinoM
Tomorrow will tell...
Posted by: Gungneir on Mar 3, 2008 11:33 AM   
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I read recently that it is not what happens to us that defines us so much as how we react to it. That is still going to be true whether or not Hillary gets both states tomorrow. Her reactions to this race have been not childish, but adolescent...with all the self-centeredness it implies. What I've seen of Obama's reactions are mature, measured, and meticulously thought-out, but it is easy to be generous when you're on top. Still, people remember things like that when they go to vote.

How both candidates react to the decision tomorrow will be telling...in more ways than one. Not only will we see if we have a candidate who will knock down the GOP, but we will see who we're putting in the driver's seat for the rest of the world if they win. I'm ready to have an adult back in the White House myself.

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Scale of victory matters as well
Posted by: brunowe on Mar 3, 2008 12:21 PM   
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Obama has a delegate lead of about 100-150 depending on who is doing the counting. A dead heat in Texas or a nominal Clinton victory there plus a narrow (single-digit) win in Ohio will barely make a dent in it. Given how much she has been forced to stake on these races, such narrow victories would still be a body blow.

Note that the two most recent polls in Pennsylvania had Obama reducing Clinton's lead to single-digits, so the perception of momentum that comes out of tomorrow's races could affect Pennsylvania.

Having said that, I'm not sure that Obama, even if he wins all the subsequent races, is going to have enough pledged delegates to pull him over the top at the convention. Given that some superdelegates have started coming over to him, I think it likely that the party elders will avoid a divisive floor fight over the Michigan and Florida delegations by getting enough superdelegates behind Obama to put him over the top (and then, perhaps, seating Florida and Michigan as a gesture?).

I think Clinton loses this on points, I don't see her being KOed before the convention.

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» RE: right on Posted by: solrev
Universe WILL go on, but comet COULD hit the earth tomorrow, decimating all life on the planet
Posted by: xbj on Mar 3, 2008 12:34 PM   
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Just about as relevant as the article. Just another example of the GOP MSM trying to force Hillary into early retirement.

Good luck kids... you're REALLY going to need it.

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» Its a Trollary Posted by: EncinoM
» A troll has been defeated Posted by: meetmeineleusis
Read Joe Wilson today. From HuffPo
Posted by: Sojourner on Mar 3, 2008 12:41 PM   
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Here

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» RE: Wilson is wrong. Posted by: Longdream
» RE: Wilson is wrong. Posted by: left_libertarian
» RE: The Clinton White House Posted by: Longdream
Wrong about Clinton's first political experiences
Posted by: Earthian on Mar 3, 2008 1:44 PM   
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The article says:

"For it was here, back in 1972, that a youthful Hillary Rodham and her boyfriend, Bill Clinton, worked on voter registration for the anti-Vietnam war candidacy of George McGovern. That was her first big political experience in the field."

But this is false. She was first a Nixon Girl in 1960. Then a Goldwater Girl, helping the Republican candidate in the 1964 election. And she was President of Young Republicans at Wellesley. CounterPunch.org did a big article about that and other conservative, Republican aspects of her earlier career.

http://www.counterpunch.org/cockburn11142007.html

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Pure hyperole
Posted by: adrienne4dean on Mar 3, 2008 1:50 PM   
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That "red phone" ad has been done before -- for example by Mondale against Gary Hart. There's nothing nefarious about reminding people who is the most ready in a crisis.

A new Pew Research poll shows that the first word people say best describes Obama is "inexperienced", while Clinton is most often described as "experienced." Her campaign is simply making the most of that.

http://pewresearch.org/pubs/750/obama-lead-problems

*****A

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» RE: Who is more experienced? Posted by: Longdream
» RE: Pure hyperole Posted by: Democritus
One of the main issues is going to be money.
Posted by: Longdream on Mar 3, 2008 2:52 PM   
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Hillary raised a ton of money in February.

If she doesn't win both Ohio and Texas, and by a significant margin she's going to have to explain why people should give her any more of their cash.

The money is going to dry up, and so is her campaign.

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» Dream on... Posted by: xbj
» RE: Dream on... Posted by: g50
» POP! Posted by: xbj
» RE: POP! Posted by: g50
» Vote for McCain then. Posted by: xbj
» LOL Posted by: meetmeineleusis
Yawn
Posted by: chlamor on Mar 3, 2008 6:57 PM   
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The Democratic Party plays an indispensable role in society's political machinery. This doesn't mean it has any power, in terms of controlling the state or setting policy. It means that without the existence of the Dem Party, the US could no longer maintain the pretense that it's a "democracy." If the Dem Party disintegrated, the US would be revealed for what it really is -- a one-party state ruled by a narrow alliance of business interests.

In terms of defending the general population against the depredations of this business consortium, the Dem Party gave up the ghost in the mid-1960's. Their threadbare act as the "Party of the People" serves not to defend the well-being of the population, but merely to persuade ordinary citizens that within the official political system's framework, there's at least some faint hope for eventual progressive change. Their focus is not so much being on our side, as convincing us that they're on our side -- without the slightest serious examination of what that might entail.

The party's true function is thus largely theatrical. It doesn't exist to fight for change, but only to pose as a force which one fine distant day might possibly bestir itself to fight for change. Thus the whole magic of the Dem Party -- the essential service it renders to the US power structure -- lies not in what it does, but in its mere existence: by simply existing, and doing nothing, it pretends to be something it's not; and this is enough to relieve despair & to let the system portray itself as a "democracy."

As long as the Dem Party exists, most Americans will believe we have a "democracy" and a "choice" in how we are ruled. They will not despair, and will not revolt, as long as they have this hope for "change within the system." From the system's point of view, this mechanism serves as the ultimate safety valve -- it insures against a despairing populace, thus eliminates the threat of rebellion; yet guarantees that no serious change to the system will be mounted, because the Dems weren't designed to play that role in the first place.


Aren't the Dems The Lesser Evil?

The Democrats are not the "lesser evil;" they are an auxiliary subdivision of the same evil. To understand the political system, one must step back and regard its operation as an integrated whole. The system can't be properly understood if one's study of it begins with an uncritical acceptance of the 2-party system, and the conventional characterizations of the two parties. (Indeed, the fact that society encourages one to view it in this latter way, is perhaps a warning that this perspective should not be trusted.)

Any given piece of reactionary legislation is invariably supported by a higher percentage of Republicans than Democrats. Does this show that the Democrats are "less evil?" If one focuses on the noble efforts of the few outspoken dissenters, it's easy to feel that the Democrats are somewhat less evil. But in the larger picture, Democrats invariably submit to what Republicans more ardently promulgate, & the entire range of official opinion thereby shifts to the right. Thus the overall function of Democrats is not so much to fight, as to quasi-passively participate in this ever-rightward-moving process. Just as the Harlem Globetrotters need their Washington Generals to make their basketball games properly entertaining, Republicans need the Democrats for effective staging of the political show.

Read the rest here and stop eating donkey burger :

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» RE: Yawn Posted by: manatthewindow
Hillary's Last Gasp...
Posted by: onevoter on Mar 3, 2008 7:45 PM   
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"They're in the last throes, if you will, of the insurgency." Cheney, 5/2005


"You got to keep repeating things over and over and over ... to kind of catapult the propaganda." Bush, 5/2005

"Progress has been steady." Cheney, 08/2006

Cheney:
09/2006 "If we had to do it over again we would do exactly the same thing."

zFact:
Sources "I know we've made tactical errors, thousands of them." —Rice, 03/2006.

(All quotes from:

http://zfacts.com/p/87.html

Iraq war: Claims and realities)

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Do articles like this hurt Hillary?
Posted by: DEBKAMAINE on Mar 4, 2008 3:32 AM   
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I believe that the press is setting up Barack as they did H. Dean. I think that they have TONS of ammo stored for him and that is why they have killed off Hillary. They had been pushing Hillary, these past years, but Barack came along and I guess they think he is an easier target, I don't know.

I wonder how these later states feel about so many decisions being made before they even have a chance to vote. All but two candidates have been voted out and the later states didn't even get a chance to be part of the voters!!!

We HAVE to change our whole election process in America.

I believe that this next election is going to be similar to the Russian one this week.

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Media Attack?
Posted by: zoe55 on Mar 4, 2008 3:47 AM   
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Interesting that Alternet insists on sexist, negative attacks on Hillary, while simultaneously decrying the "Media" attacking St. Obama.

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» RE: Media Attack? Posted by: jvaljon1
The ABSOLUTE LOW
Posted by: DreamFast on Mar 4, 2008 4:32 AM   
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Pressed by the reporter about "taking Sen. Obama at his word," Clinton -- asked again if she believes he is Muslim -- continued: "No, no, why would I -- there's nothing to base that on -- as far as I know," she added. She emphasized the word "I."

I thought I lost all the respect I had for her.

It's more painful now, realizing it wasn't.

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When the press attacks
Posted by: ImSwiss on Mar 4, 2008 6:42 AM   
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The press assault has started against Obama. If Hillary was in the lead she would be getting it. Democrats always are assaulted by the press and the right. We lost Gore and Kerry due to their relentless innuendos and lies and now they may cost America another true statesman. I pray that God intervenes.

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Is this a bad thing?
Posted by: willymack on Mar 4, 2008 8:55 AM   
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Take a good look at our presidential contenders. Two highly qualified, highly educated, exceptionally bright contenders on the Democratic side, and a burned-out hulk of a man on the rethug side, whose mind may just have slipped off the cliff. Either of the Democrats would be a vast improvement over chimpy or mcnut, but let's face it folks; one of them has to lose this race, probably sooner than later. This doesn't mean the "loser" will sulk off in ignominious defeat, never to be seen or heard from again, quite the opposite, in my view. So, is this a bad thing? I think not, as long as the rethugs don't steal this election, or if they do and get away with it yet again, then it would be really, really BAD.

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I'm in my early/mid Forties, I'm a single mom and I'm black...
Posted by: asilsfable on Mar 4, 2008 12:02 PM   
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and I'm a Clinton supporter for the following reasons:

REMEMBER THE LAST PERSON WHO CALLED THEMSELVES A UNITER! AND LOOK WHERE IT GOT US!

Let's take two things off of Obama's website, for example.

Under Issues--and then under Seniors:

"Eliminate Income Taxes for Seniors Making Less Than $50,000: Obama will eliminate all income taxation of seniors making less than $50,000 per year. This will provide an immediate tax cut averaging $1,400 to 7 million seniors and relieve millions from the burden of filing tax returns."

How is he going to do this? According to the Social Security Administration, in 2017 will we be paying out more money in SSI payments than we will be receiving. Roughly, 35-45% of our population--if you include children since they don't pay taxes--will then not be paying taxes. How is this going to occur? A senior who makes more than a schoolteacher with a family will pay NO taxes?
OH, COME ON!

The answer: He won't. He won't do that because he can't. It's either a blantant lie to garner older votes or astoundingly naive and dangerous viewpoint with NO CLUE as to what's coming down the pike, as far as our economy goes.

Example two: the Obama site again--under Economy and then Protect Homeownership

"Create Fund to Help Homeowners Avoid Foreclosures: Obama will create a fund to help people refinance their mortgages and provide comprehensive supports to innocent homeowners. The fund will be partially paid for by Obama's increased penalties on lenders who act irresponsibly and commit fraud."

Huh? The fund will be partially paid with the lenders who have gone out of business? Every one of them will go belly up. Oh, and I love this--"innocent" homeowners. Is he going to start a special program to determine that? What's the criteria--if you voted for him?

My city--Los Angeles--has a 155 MILLION dollar shortfall this fiscal year because of a shortfall in property taxes paid. Next year's estimate will be 400 MILLION. And that's just my city, which seems to be doing better than most. We're going to see smaller communities going bankrupt. Is the state going to bail them out? The Feds? And with what money--since we borrow nearly 2.5 BILLION every day just to keep ourselves afloat?

Ending the war will help some. But we'll need to pull out of Iraq anyway--despite what McCain says, we can't afford it. We can't afford war with Iran either.

So when Hillary calls for a stop to foreclosures for 3 months (borrowing from EDWARDS--who was right about this) and Obama flippantly says it won't help--IT MAKES MY BLOOD BOIL! People are losing homes they want to keep right now--a few months would allow time to get back on their feet--or at least make legislation to stop the bleeding. Communities will start having massive layoffs due to this crisis--which will in turn cause more foreclosures.

I thought for sure that Gore would win in 2000. I told my concerned friends that only a moron would vote for Bush. Well, I was half right.

Now, people who don't want to look too deeply are voting for the beautiful candidate. But I wonder what his response will be when McCain asks him why he voted to fund a war that he says he didn't support and why he voted for the Patriot Act (something I'm mad at Hillary for) when he thought the war itself was based on false premises.

I wonder what will surf off of his gilded tongue then.

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By the way--when exactly did Rupert Murdoch...
Posted by: jvaljon1 on Mar 4, 2008 2:43 PM   
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...buy Alternet and the HuffPo?? Can't tell either one of them now, from the rest of the MSM...

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funny
Posted by: samurai on Mar 4, 2008 8:40 PM   
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What do you get if you cross teri schiavo and a republican style attack dog?

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» RE: funny Posted by: jvaljon1
Good news! GOP-owned MSM wishful Obamalove thinking goes SPLAT!
Posted by: xbj on Mar 4, 2008 9:44 PM   
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Looks like that coment DIDN'T hit the earth after all....

Yes we WILL!

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Terrific! At 11 PM, TX time...
Posted by: jvaljon1 on Mar 4, 2008 10:22 PM   
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Hillary's got Ohio by a HUGE margin and Texas--with half the precincts reporting in--by a definitive margin.

Best of all, for me. is all the MSM--which now includes AlterNet and HuffPo--writing trashtalk like this article, Hillary's Last Gasp--Hey, Idiots! How do you MSM clones like Hillary's Last Gasp, now???

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Funny
Posted by: samurai on Mar 5, 2008 12:35 AM   
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Hillary

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For you late-arriving Flicksters
Posted by: hurricane hugo on Mar 6, 2008 7:50 PM   
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Hillary won the primary portion of the Texas vote by a 51-48 margin.
As of about 6 hours ago, Obama was winning the caucus portion of the vote by a 55-45 margin with about 46% of said caucus votes counted; he's projected to maintain, if not increase his lead.
Bottom line: by the time the Texas state convention awards the rest, OBAMA WILL HAVE WON TEXAS. GAME OVER!

...actually, it was "game over" after Wisconsin.

jdfu!

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