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Election 2008

Noam Chomsky: Why Isn't Iraq in the 2008 Election?

By Noam Chomsky, Democracy Now!. Posted March 3, 2008.


The public is massively against the war, and the Dems are debating over tactics in Iraq -- here's why.
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The following speech, transcribed by Democracy Now!, was delivered by Chomsky in Massachussetts at an event sponsored by Bikes Not Bombs.

Not very long ago, as you all recall, it was taken for granted that the Iraq war would be the central issue in the 2008 election, as it was in the midterm election two years ago. However, it's virtually disappeared off the radar screen, which has solicited some puzzlement among the punditry.

Actually, the reason is not very obscure. It was cogently explained forty years ago, when the US invasion of South Vietnam was in its fourth year and the surge of that day was about to add another 100,000 troops to the 175,000 already there, while South Vietnam was being bombed to shreds at triple the level of the bombing of the north and the war was expanding to the rest of Indochina. However, the war was not going very well, so the former hawks were shifting towards doubts, among them the distinguished historian Arthur Schlesinger, maybe the most distinguished historian of his generation, a Kennedy adviser, who -- when he and Kennedy, other Kennedy liberals were beginning to -- reluctantly beginning to shift from a dedication to victory to a more dovish position.

And Schlesinger explained the reasons. He explained that -- I'll quote him now -- "Of course, we all pray that the hawks are right in thinking that the surge of that day will work. And if it does, we may all be saluting the wisdom and statesmanship of the American government in winning a victory in a land that we have turned," he said, "to wreck and ruin. But the surge probably won't work, at an acceptable cost to us, so perhaps strategy should be rethought."

Well, the reasoning and the underlying attitudes carry over with almost no change to the critical commentary on the US invasion of Iraq today. And it is a land of wreck and ruin. You've already heard a few words; I don't have to review the facts. The highly regarded British polling agency, Oxford Research Bureau, has just updated its estimate of deaths. Their new estimate a couple of days ago is 1.3 million. That's excluding two of the most violent provinces, Karbala and Anbar. On the side, it's kind of intriguing to observe the ferocity of the debate over the actual number of deaths. There's an assumption on the part of the hawks that if we only killed a couple hundred thousand people, it would be OK, so we shouldn't accept the higher estimates. You can go along with that if you like.

Uncontroversially, there are over two million displaced within Iraq. Thanks to the generosity of Jordan and Syria, the millions of refugees who have fled the wreckage of Iraq aren't totally wiped out. That includes most of the professional classes. But that welcome is fading, because Jordan and Syria receive no support from the perpetrators of the crimes in Washington and London, and therefore they cannot accept that huge burden for very long. It's going to leave those two-and-a-half million refugees who fled in even more desperate straits.

The sectarian warfare that was created by the invasion never -- nothing like that had ever existed before. That has devastated the country, as you know. Much of the country has been subjected to quite brutal ethnic cleansing and left in the hands of warlords and militias. That's the primary thrust of the current counterinsurgency strategy that's developed by the revered "Lord Petraeus," I guess we should describe him, considering the way he's treated. He won his fame by pacifying Mosul a couple of years ago. It's now the scene of some of the most extreme violence in the country.

One of the most dedicated and informed journalists who has been immersed in the ongoing tragedy, Nir Rosen, has just written an epitaph entitled "The Death of Iraq" in the very mainstream and quite important journal Current History. He writes that "Iraq has been killed, never to rise again. The American occupation has been more disastrous than that of the Mongols, who sacked Baghdad in the thirteenth century," which has been the perception of many Iraqis, as well. "Only fools talk of 'solutions' now," he went on. "There is no solution. The only hope is that perhaps the damage can be contained."

But Iraq is, in fact, the marginal issue, and the reasons are the traditional ones, the traditional reasoning and attitudes of the liberal doves who all pray now, as they did forty years ago, that the hawks will be right and that the US will win a victory in this land of wreck and ruin. And they're either encouraged or silenced by the good news about Iraq.

And there is good news. The US occupying army in Iraq -- euphemistically it's called the Multi-National Force-Iraq, because they have, I think, three polls there somewhere -- that the occupying army carries out extensive studies of popular attitudes. It's an important part of counterinsurgency or any form of domination. You want to know what your subjects are thinking. And it released a report last December. It was a study of focus groups, and it was uncharacteristically upbeat. The report concluded -- I'll quote it -- that the survey of focus groups "provides very strong evidence" that national reconciliation is possible and anticipated, contrary to what's being claimed. The survey found that a sense of "optimistic possibility permeated all focus groups and far more commonalities than differences are found among these seemingly diverse groups of Iraqis" from all over the country and all walks of life. This discovery of "shared beliefs" among Iraqis throughout the country is "good news, according to a military analysis of the results," Karen de Young reported in the Washington Post a couple of weeks ago.


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Professor of linguistics at MIT for over half a century, Chomsky is the author of dozens of books on US foreign policy. His most recent is The Essential Chomsky.

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Terrorist
Posted by: HeKnew on Mar 3, 2008 1:23 AM   
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The Bush administration: Try 'em & Fry 'em

There's no statute of limitations on genocide.

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» RE: Terrorist Posted by: madmax427
Unpeople
Posted by: mike_burns on Mar 3, 2008 2:58 AM   
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Either you are part of the corporate elite, or you are unpeople.
The language has changed and redefined us, and the world.
Personel has become Human Resources. Enferring that is something to be exploited than be hired.
They control or media, and our work place, as well as the world.
Hitler's dream has come true.

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» RE: Unpeople Posted by: ronheri
» RE: Unpeople Posted by: Doubtom
Why isn't this in the op-ed section of the New York Times?
Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Mar 3, 2008 4:12 AM   
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It'd make great reading side-by-side with William Kristol's articles praising the Iraq war and the neoconservative agenda, wouldn't it? Why not do this? Call up the New York TImes and ask them if they'd consider giving column space to this article.

While you are at it, as the Times why they're refusing to print any real analysis of the reasons behind the Iraq war - a topic the British press is less shy about:

Iraq poised to end drought for thirsting oil giants, Danny Fortson, Guardian January 2007

"After 35 years, the third-largest reserves in the world are to be opened to American and British companies. . . The biggest oil companies are finding it ever harder to uncover new reserves to replace those that are going dry. Iraq sits on a sea of easily tapped, high-quality crude.

For a sector desperate for a panacea, the stakes couldn't be higher. By conservative estimates, Iraq represents about one-tenth of the world's reserves at 115 billion barrels. Most of this is untapped or under-exploited. . ."


The New York Times, on the other hand, persists in printing garbage like this:
Compromise on Oil Law in Iraq Seems to Be Collapsing, Sept 2007

"The oil law — which would govern how oil fields are developed and managed — is one of several benchmarks that the Bush administration has been pressing the Iraqis to meet as a sign that they are making headway toward creating an effective government."

Bull - the "oil agreement", as the previous article shows, is all about ensuring that the likes of Exxon and Shell and BP and Chevron control decisions about Iraqi oil production.

The NYT and Glanz also avoid any mention of another main player in Iraq - the Iraqi oil unions, who continue to claim that they can produce oil with zero foreign investment. Yes, best to ignore them entirely, isn't it?

Most news outlets, including the wire services, are putting the pro-international oil corporation spin on the Iraqi oil story and trying to present it as a charity case - "the IOCs will invest billions in Iraq and rescue them!"

Numerous authors have written articles about the real situation (Antonia Juhasz most notably) and here is another example: Iraqi Labor vs. Big Oil, By Kathlyn Stone, Feb 2007. Still, the U.S. corporate press absolutely refuses to analyze or discuss the oil reasons behind the invasion of Iraq, nor to review why they published all the lies about Iraqi WMDs without presenting the opposing (and accurate) view.

The real reasons for the war were never in doubt: West Sees Glittering Prizes Ahead in Giant Oilfields, Times of London, 2002

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» Israel-firsters?? at the NY Times Posted by: MobileSucks
Just remember....
Posted by: saltoafronteira on Mar 3, 2008 4:21 AM   
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"Those who make peaceful evolution impossible make violent revolution inevitable." -- John F. Kennedy
I'm quoting one of your presidents, himself quoted in one of last week's alternet's articles.
The day the "unpeople" have nothing more to loose, they will put their lifes on the line.
Then, you will not have one Irak, but one hundred Iraks.
The sad thying is that hundreds of millions of lifes are and will be spent on ridding the world of the USA.

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Nagual
Posted by: Nagual on Mar 3, 2008 4:34 AM   
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Judging by the Oxford Research Bureau's statistics, Bush is working his way up to Pol Pot status!

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I am ashamed that Chomsky got honorary doctorate at Uppsala University, Sweden
Posted by: Swedish liberal on Mar 3, 2008 4:43 AM   
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Naom Chomsky professor of Linguistics, not Interntional Politics i.e when his speaks on International Politics he speaks as an ordinary civilian without, so why does he say in all his writings that he is a professor? To get credibility by the gullible.

He managed to get a honorary doctorate at Uppsala Univeristy. I am ashemed by my fellow country men.

Oliver Kamm on Naom Chomsky in Prospect magazine www.prospect-magazine.co.uk.

I could not have said it better myself!

"In his book Public Intellectuals: A Study of Decline, Richard Posner noted that "a successful academic may be able to use his success to reach the general public on matters about which he is an idiot." Judging by caustic remarks elsewhere in the book, he was thinking of Noam Chomsky. He was not wrong.
....
If Chomsky's political writings expressed merely an idée fixe, they would be a footnote in his career as a public intellectual. But Chomsky has a dedicated following among those of university education, and especially of university age, for judgements that have the veneer of scholarship and reason yet verge on the pathological. He once described the task of the media as "to select the facts, or to invent them, in such a way as to render the required conclusions not too transparently absurd—at least for properly disciplined minds." There could scarcely be a nicer encapsulation of his own practice.

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» Ad Hominen, I think not Posted by: Swedish liberal
» RE: Ad Hominen, I think so Posted by: Ydotheyhateus
» Swedish Meatball Posted by: Iconoclast421
» Generic Fallacy, ad hominem... Posted by: leafsong1
» What case have you made? nm Posted by: buffeliscious
» I doubt it... Posted by: mjglow
» Thank the Russians and French for that Posted by: Swedish liberal
» Sorry Swedish friend... Posted by: fsuthai
» I did not say that Bush was my guy Posted by: Swedish liberal
» RE: I served ... fool Posted by: kiel
» This says it all... Posted by: buffeliscious
» So, the Peace Prize... Posted by: buffeliscious
» Let Chomsky speak for himself. Posted by: MobileSucks
One thing Chomsky missed
Posted by: Democritus on Mar 3, 2008 4:44 AM   
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Yes, we all know that we invaded Iraq because we wanted to steal their oil. Why are the Democratic candidates not talking about this? Perhaps it's because they think we can still get away with it. McCain certainly thinks so. What difference does it make that we've turned Iraq into a garbage dump, if there's a possibility of controlling that oil? To sugarcoat our not pulling out of Iraq post haste the candidates say they want to "stabilize" Iraq. That's utter nonsense, because we're the ones doing the destabilzing by remaining.

But Chomsky missed a key ingredient in our role as "owner of the world." That is the "global war on terror" (GWOT). What we have done since the Reagan years is manufacture a war out of nothing. Whenever we want to justify doing things supposedly in "our national interest," whether it's helping to overthrow other governments, as we did in Chile; or whether we want to crush insurrections in countries with whom we can "do business," such as in Argentina, we say we do it because we're fighting against terrorism. Now, as Chomsky well knows, terrorism is a bad thing, and it's something we should all fight. But that would mean fighting ourselves, because we are the world's biggest practitioner of terrorism. What do you think "shock and awe" was all about, except as an exercise in terrorism? Then there's our bulldog in the Middle East, Israel. It's difficult to know whether the terrorist tactics of Israel were learned from us, or whether they are teaching us a few things, as well. But the ongoing attacks on civilians in Gaza, in Lebanon, are all being justified as a "response" to terror, and not terror itself. In other words, the terrorist is always the other guy, and we're just the counter-terrorists.

When our government could still raise the menace of communism, terrorism could be depicted as the method of choice used by Soviet Union. Now that this dodge won't work anymore, we've concocted a new enemy--"Islamofascism"--to take up the slack. This is the only way that our leaders can brainwash its citizens into going along with using our military muscle to cow other countries into submission, or else to invade them. Expose the GWOT for the phony war that it is and you've come a long way toward getting back to the principles enunciated in the Nurenburg decisions.

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» RE: One thing Chomsky missed Posted by: Iconoclast421
Gee, Noam...
Posted by: JoshuaLudd on Mar 3, 2008 4:47 AM   
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... maybe they just asked why it would matter.

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Poles (i.e. Polish troops), not polls
Posted by: larrio on Mar 3, 2008 5:30 AM   
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An error in the transcript, that should read " The US occupying army in Iraq -- euphemistically it's called the Multi-National Force-Iraq, because they have, I think, three Poles there somewhere"

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Count American citizens among the "unpeople."
Posted by: itzamirakul on Mar 3, 2008 5:43 AM   
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"...the tacit assumption that underlies almost all discourse on international affairs. The tacit assumption, without which none of it makes any sense, is that we own the world. So, what does it matter what others think? They're "unpeople," nice term invented by British diplomatic historian [Mark] Curtis, based on a series of outstanding volumes on Britain's crimes of empire -- outstanding work, therefore deeply hidden. So there are the "unpeople" out there, and then there are the owners -- that's us -- and we don't have to listen to the "unpeople."

I disagree that "we own the 'unpeople'" and in my opinion it is the neocons such as Wolfowitz and Perle and members of the Israeli government as well as AIPAC that "own the unpeople."

This will continue until the American people finally get the cajones to stand up and say, "We support Israel and recognize them as friends, but neither their government nor their surrogates in the Corporate Lobby will be allowed to pull Americans around by puppet strings to satisfy their own desires and benefits any longer."

That time is rapidly approaching.

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It is the war stupid
Posted by: solrev on Mar 3, 2008 6:23 AM   
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McCain has two make the election a referendum on the Iraq war; he does not have any place else to go. The choice is McCain who will fight for victory in Iraq or Obama who will talk his way to victory in Iraq. If Obama would say; “I will stand before the Iraqi people and tear up the national oil law and then I will tear up their constitution and tell them to write their own words. Now, do not shoot us in the ass as we get out of dodge.” I would vote for him. I think Obama will cut a deal with Iran “give us what we want and you can have Iraq”. The choice now becomes bullets for Iran or bucks for Iran. The Iraqi are the non-people. Obama can even get Iran to support us in Afghanistan and possibly against Pakistan. So, we get to maintain our oil dollars and Iran gets Iraq, Afghanistan, and Pakistan. Don't you just love a winner?

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Fortunately,
Posted by: saltoafronteira on Mar 3, 2008 6:29 AM   
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All this "non people" chat in places like alternet makes me think america isn't dead yet.
Please people ! Please tell me that you are not a minority in your country.
Please, let me bleieve that most americans have the courage of finding new means of energy instead of waging endless wars for the remains of the old ones.
Please, let me believe they will be able to restrain their marketeeing induced comfort to establish a new social contract, engaging all the peoples of the world.
Please tell me you are able to stop the armageddon you yourselves created.
Please, let me believe that from the inside of its guts america still has the force to redress itself and help redress the world.
By reading the blogs it seems possible. Is it?

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» RE: Fortunately, Posted by: VZEQICVA
» RE: Fortunately, Posted by: lenioui
» I doubt it Posted by: jzelensk
» RE: Fortunately,...UNFORTUNATELY! Posted by: saltoafronteira
Jewish Voice for Peace campaign
Posted by: itzamirakul on Mar 3, 2008 6:32 AM   
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/www.jewishvoiceforpeace.org/publish/article_976.shtml

This organization is running a campaign to encourage our congressional leaders to vote against this year's budget for aid to Israel until the occupation is over since they say that an enormous amount of our financial aid goes to furnish weapons, etc to the Israeli army.

You might want to read this and consider signing the petition.

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What Chomsky doesn't say
Posted by: daw13 on Mar 3, 2008 6:34 AM   
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is that the war is much more than a failure of morality, of ethics, of economy. It is very likely a failure of empire. The Bush administration's use of this threat to dismantle U.S. Democracy and create a police state doesn't mean the threat is not real.

Not that morality and ethics don't matter. But for most people they matter less than physical survival. Most view the world as a collection of great gangs, the toughest gang prevailing. So long as the Neocons can sell the perception that, however ruthless, disgusting, despicable they may appear, their stewardship assures U.S. supremacy, the average person no matter his or her political position, humanitarian idealism, or economic situation takes this fact more seriously than any other.

Why the Left refuses to address this issue is a mystery to me (maybe another commentor will explain it). It is our human nature to care deeply about members of our own in-group, but it is also our nature to decided how to deal with others on rational grounds that may exclude empathy. If the Neocons can dominate the world short of US citizens' intervention, as Chomsky suggests is indeed the case, then based on the history most of us have been taught, this might seem a rational, if ruthless thing to do.

In fact, much evidence indicates the contrary. It would be helpful for Chomsky and others of his group to present this evidence. Or at least raise the question for debate.

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» RE: What Chomsky doesn't say Posted by: leafsong1
» So you most likely feel Posted by: daw13
» Wu-u-u-u-ut? Posted by: leafsong1
» RE: Wu-u-u-u-ut? Posted by: daw13
» RE: Wu-u-u-u-ut? Posted by: leafsong1
» RE: What Chomsky doesn't say Posted by: saltoafronteira
» RE: perverted empirialism Posted by: daw13
» RE: perverted empirialism Posted by: saltoafronteira
McCain is talking about Iraq.
Posted by: Sojourner on Mar 3, 2008 6:35 AM   
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He's talking about it because it is safe for him to say "Stay the course." Yes, we all already know the course is as Chomsky describes it. What he doesn't mention is how rich the rich have gotten off the growing national debt.

American foreign policy is governed by the same principles that govern the American corporate economy. Take the money and run--or in this case, send our kids to die.

Then take a look at the polls of American candidate preferences. McCain, the war candidate, runs neck and neck against candidates who do their best to avoid the issue.

You can blame Bush if you like. I blame the American people. We elect war mongers. We hate peace mongers. Those who profit from war use enough of their profits to saturate our ethos with lies. Maybe Lincoln was wrong. Maybe you can fool all the people all of the time.

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The Long Invisable War
Posted by: foreverhope on Mar 3, 2008 7:01 AM   
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Nir Rosen, has just written an epitaph entitled "The Death of Iraq" in the very mainstream and quite important journal Current History. He writes that "Iraq has been killed, never to rise again. The American occupation has been more disastrous than that of the Mongols, who sacked Baghdad in the thirteenth century," which has been the perception of many Iraqis, as well. "Only fools talk of 'solutions' now," he went on. "There is no solution. The only hope is that perhaps the damage can be contained."

First of all, this breaks my heart, GWB/CHENEY will have to answer to God someday. Among other offences, I hope we will see them both indicted for war crimes against the Iraqi people before all is said and done.

There is practically no coverage of the war. 2 million to 4 million displaced Iraqis, causing the greatest humanitarian disaster in recent history, humanitarian organizations across the world are stretched to breaking, and we don't see anything of it on the news.

We don't see the flag-draped coffins of our soldiers, we rarely if ever see our veterans, or many interviews with the National Guard on ruthless rotating shifts. There is so little coverage of the war it has fallen to the back of minds. It barely exists, people trying to pay for fuel, food and mortgages.

'The Long War', as it is being called, costing $275 million per day, $4,100 per household.
Almost 4,000 U.S. soldiers killed and more than 60,000 wounded.

The war CAN'T go on, we are running out of cannon fodder, our National Debt is rising by the second. No one is asking McPAIN how he will pay for his never-ending war, or where he will find bodies to fight it. We couldn't leave when it was 'bad', but now the 'surge' is supposedly 'working', things are 'better', now we are 'winning'?

Makes me sick.

Once commited war is very complicated. I don't EXPECT, I don't even WANT, our next President to explain exactly what they will do to end this war. That is why we elect a president, hopefully one with integrity, courage and good judgement, leadership abilities, a commander-in-chief. However, I do EXPECT once in office, and with the right advise, an exit strategy will be developed to begin safely bringing our soldiers home as soon as possible. Obama has outlined a method, so has Hillary. Obama is the ONLY candidate talking about the conditions of our veterans.

That exit strategy should also include whatever needs to be done to rebuild Iraq, without military occupation. We need to care properly for our returning soldiers, their conditions are deplorable.

Our military needs to be rebuilt too, thanks to GWB it is a mess, everything is a mess. God help our next President and this country.

NO, I DON'T WANT A HAWK FOR PRESIDENT BUT I DO WANT OUR COUNTRY PROTECTED.

We can't allow our dovish beliefs to cloud our judgement, we need a strong defense.

The media as a whole is NOT holding GWB/CHENEY responsible now any more than at the beginning of this war. Therefore the war, the Iraqi people, our soldiers and veterans, are invisable and easily forgotten.

Should be calling it 'The Long Invisable War'.

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» RE: The Long Invisable War Posted by: Knot_Rich
» Endless Phony "War on Terror" Posted by: OrwellMan
MR. CHOMSKY, ALL DUE RESPECT
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Mar 3, 2008 7:27 AM   
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Teachers/writers deal with what has already happened. The past.A candidate for office in his/her right mind does not have a crystal ball. They can't be specific about ending the war in Iraq. What will we face in Jan. 09? I'd love to hear someone say, "Everyone will be home by the 4th of July". Can't happen. There's still time for this administration to screw up. The MidEast is ever changing & in turmoil. They shouldn't speculate. Thanks,ANNA

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» VZ, all due respect Posted by: leafsong1
Nuclear War
Posted by: Southern Gal on Mar 3, 2008 7:47 AM   
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I'm most concerned about nuclear war. We have the Bush administration building more nuclear weapons, we've invaded and occupied Iraq, which has made the Middle East more unstable and we have made millions of enemies by our actions. Many of those enemies are zealots as are the neocons and Bush/Cheney. We also have the perceived "holy" war that Bush has instigated with Islam. It would just take a small "incident" to get the genie out of the bottle, never to be returned. How can we trust our government to make good decisions in the face of disaster, when we know that they lie about everything and their past decisions have been incompetent and disasterous. Don't forget that we unpeople have 10 more months of Bush rule and anything can happen.

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Have'nt we figures it out yet?
Posted by: jeffrey7 on Mar 3, 2008 7:59 AM   
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We do not exist to butcher eachother in killing sprees designed to stimulate economies or wage peace. There can never be Peace in the presence of warmongering capitalists,because everything is 'fair game' in the name of 'Profits'. The worse part is we are using econimics to drive our children to become butchers for a corrupted way of thinking that make's us all expendable to those whose Heart's have become blackened by Greed and Hatred. They Hate because of the warped idea that they don't have enough of everything so they use greed to pull it to them. In the offing,the People,the Planet and all Living Things are sacrificed for a healthy bottom line.
Why are none of the candidate's talking about stopping this idiocy?? Because they are part of it. Whatever 'softness' a candidate pretsnds to have is window dressing to hide what they really are. Puppets of Capitalism. As
such they cannot be trusted to do anything
except what the Party Line states. Which is 'Control the People by whatever Force necessary' and 'seperate as many of them from their money so we can keep the reins of Power.'
A very large percentage of us abhore warfare of any kind,we seek to heal the sick,and wish the best of things for eachother. Why are we not a better nation? Becuse the same Greed filled,hate supported,controlers of the Nation's wealth also control ALL MEDIA.
We must excersize our Right to Dispose of Corrupted Governments and not vote for any of the folks currently 'spoon-fed' to us. Ask the People you know that are good people and get them to run,or draft them if they are willing.
There are much better People than what we've been offered right in your own neighborhoods,maybe even in your own house.
The point is,Nothing is going to change,until, we get new People,that care more about the cause of Peace than War, Healthcare over insurance companies, Taking care of the Planet more than garnering profits at the expence of clean air,pure water and good growing lands and we see no difference between a baby that comes from meager to no means and one that's born of high society.
Draft Jeffrey7 for rez '08
www.youtube.com/RevJeffrey7

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Chomsky is aiding the 9/11 cover-up
Posted by: realtruther on Mar 3, 2008 8:36 AM   
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He is utterly irrelevant today as a result. Visit wtcdemolition.com to find out more, or ae911truth.org, or any of the myriad sources that are not afraid of telling the whole truth, unlike the disgraced Mr. Chomsky...

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» RE: tin foil hat time! Posted by: Ghoulman
... here's why...
Posted by: Ghoulman on Mar 3, 2008 9:21 AM   
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... U.S. foreign policy hasn't changed at all since the 50s, and never will.

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Responsibilities for our actions.
Posted by: gypsyfarm on Mar 3, 2008 9:54 AM   
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I was against the war from the very beginning. I stood with my little signs out in the streets and attempted to make my feeling known, but the war fever was too strong. Once the war started I packed my little signs up and went home. Why? Because at that point a moral line as a nation had been crossed. Simply walking away is as morally corrupt as going to war in the first place.

My 74 year old father took the challenge and is now over in Iraq helping to rebuild the country. From his posting at http://www.globalconsultants.us/iraq_tour/ I have come to believe even more strongly that walking out is not the answer. Yes in the end it will be up to the Iraqis themselves but that cannot occur by simply making a wish. It will take time and effort.

While I believe we as a nation must put in this time and effort, I also hope we as a nation have learned a lesson and pray that maybe we can learn a lesson so this does not happen again.

Pat Newberry
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Responsibilities for our actions.
Posted by: gypsyfarm on Mar 3, 2008 9:59 AM   
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I was against the war from the very beginning. I stood with my little signs out in the streets and attempted to make my feeling known, but the war fever was too strong. Once the war started I packed my little signs up and went home. Why? Because at that point a moral line as a nation had been crossed. Simply walking away is as morally corrupt as going to war in the first place.

My 74 year old father took the challenge and is now over in Iraq helping to rebuild the country. From his posting at www.globalconsultants.us/iraq_tour/ I have come to believe even more strongly that walking out is not the answer. Yes in the end it will be up to the Iraqis themselves but that cannot occur by simply making a wish. It will take time and effort.

While I believe we as a nation must put in this time and effort, I also hope we as a nation have learned a lesson and pray that maybe we can learn a lesson so this does not happen again.

Pat Newberry
www.gypsyfarm.com

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» RE: esponsibilities for our actions. Posted by: Susan Kipping
» RE: esponsibilities for our actions. Posted by: left_libertarian
» RE: The criminals run the gov't. Posted by: nightgaunt
Why Isn't Iraq in the 2008 Election? Because Clinton loses on that issue, thats why
Posted by: rickiey on Mar 3, 2008 10:49 AM   
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Hillary Clinton, in her 1993 floor speech, claimed she knew that Hussein had to be removed, by force if necessary.

I can hear the responses now "Yeah, because Bush cherry-picked the intelligence she saw. It wasn't her fault".

That would be a legitimate excuse for most of Congress (although Obama needs no such excuse, by virtue of being right in the first place).

The simple fact of the matter is, Clinton herself claimed the opposite. She claimed she had this knowledge, from her experience in the white house (ya know, that experience she is now touting as a reason to vote for her).

She claimed she had been following it for more than a decade and KNEW, without any Bushco assurances or intel, that forcibly removing Hussein from power was the right thing to do.

For her to use Iraq in the current Presidential race, the tainted Hillary Clinton would have to deal with:

*Obama voting against, her voting for.
*Her touting her own experience as a reason to invade

That's a losing issue, amongst Democrats. In the general election, she loses to McCain because she changed positions afterward. She would be the next John Kerry by the time the Republican spin machine was done with her.

The Democrats don't need another tainted John Kerry. They need another Bill Clinton. Unfortunately for the tainted Hillary Clinton, the next Bill Clinton is named Obama.

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» Correction, please. Posted by: im4peace
» RE: Correction, please. Posted by: yellow
It's not mentioned because there is no solution
Posted by: Trazom on Mar 3, 2008 11:00 AM   
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for either side. Once you look past all the rhetoric, all the promises and pledges, you will see that it doesn't really matter because there can only be one outcome.

Endless occupation with almost total control over the oil supplies.

This is the reason why. In order to mantain world dominance and super-power status (near term goal), it is absolutely essential the US takes control of the oil. And the reason for this is not to control the price (though it may seem this way at first). It is to guarantee that the unlimited growth curve of 21st century capitalism continues just a little longer before the whole fabric of the global fractional reserve banking system begins to unravel, so that the elites may engage in an epic power grab for as much of the planet as possible. Then, once commodities can be bought up for pennies on the dollar, they will be the new rulers of the planet (long term goal), and enact one-world government, and so on. They know the jig is up - all of them. All they are doing now is buying themselves time to gain just a little more.

In addition, taking control of Iraq's oil fields guarantees further dollar hegemony, thus also forestalling the inevitable.

You may ask yourself why are we (our government) always at war when the vast majority of us un-people want peace? The above is the answer. War is profitable. War expands the empire. And there's also this:

Our economic system requires ever increasing amounts of debt to function. Once you realize this, you'll realize that a little $1-$2 trillion war is actually what this perverted, warped economic system needs in order to keep functioning. Quite the opposite of what we've been told. Ironic isn't it?

We have to wake up and alert the whole world that what is at stake is none other than our individual freedom.