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Obama Will Not 'Rule Out' Private Security Contractors in Iraq
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Her timing was interesting, to say the least. Why February 28, in the middle of a tough political campaign? Why not after last September's Nisour Square massacre, when Blackwater operatives killed 17 Iraqi civilians? Or, better, before it? Regardless, this makes Clinton the most significant US political figure to date to issue such a call. We will be monitoring closely how much of a legislative priority this becomes for Senator Clinton.
A senior foreign policy adviser to leading Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama has told The Nation that if elected Obama will not "rule out" using private security companies like Blackwater Worldwide in Iraq. The adviser also said that Obama does not plan to sign on to legislation that seeks to ban the use of these forces in US war zones by January 2009, when a new President will be sworn in. Obama's campaign says that instead he will focus on bringing accountability to these forces while increasing funding for the State Department's Bureau of Diplomatic Security, the agency that employs Blackwater and other private security contractors. (Hillary Clinton's staff did not respond to repeated requests for an interview or a statement on this issue.)
Obama's broader Iraq withdrawal plan provides for some US troops to remain in Iraq -- how many his advisers won't say. But it's clear that Obama's "follow-on force" will include a robust security force to protect US personnel in Iraq, US trainers (who would also require security) for Iraqi forces and military units to "strike at Al Qaeda" -- all very broad swaths of the occupation.
"If Barack Obama comes into office next January and our diplomatic security service is in the state it's in and the situation on the ground in Iraq is in the state it's in, I think we will be forced to rely on a host of security measures," said the senior adviser. "I can't rule out, I won't rule out, private security contractors." He added, "I will rule out private security contractors that are not accountable to US law."
But therein lies a problem. The US Embassy in Iraq is slated to become the largest embassy in world history. If Obama maintains that embassy and its army of diplomats and US personnel going in and out of the Green Zone, which his advisers say he will, a significant armed force will be required for protection. The force that now plays that role is composed almost exclusively of contractors from Blackwater, DynCorp and Triple Canopy. And at present, these contractors are not held accountable under US law. Obama and a host of legal experts, including in the Justice Department, acknowledge that there may be no current US law that could be used to prosecute security contractors for crimes committed in Iraq, such as the killing of seventeen Iraqi civilians last September in Baghdad's Nisour Square.
Obama's proposed increase in funding to the diplomatic security division would ostensibly pave the way for a protective force composed entirely of US government personnel, but the process of building that force would likely take a long time. Short of dramatically reducing the US civilian and diplomatic presence in Iraq that necessitates such a security force, Obama may have no choice but to continue the contracting arrangements with firms like Blackwater if he is elected President.
The irony is that it was Senator Obama who sponsored a bill in February 2007 defining a legal structure to prosecute State Department contractor crimes in US courts. Obama staffers say they will "fight like hell to get it passed." But it may not pass before the next President takes power. Even if it does and Bush signs it, serious questions will remain unresolved about how contractor crimes can be monitored effectively. The senior adviser acknowledged that Obama could find himself in a situation where, as President, he continues using forces he himself has identified as "unaccountable." The Obama campaign, in other words, may have painted itself into a corner.
Obama campaign and Senate staffers characterize this as an inherited problem with no good alternatives. "We are in a situation where, because of bad planning and a series of disastrous policy choices by the Bush Administration, we're forced to rely on private security contractors," says the senior adviser. "What we're focused on at the moment is getting the legal architecture in place that will hold these guys accountable to the same standard that [applies to] enlisted US military personnel."
In Iraq right now, the number of private contractors is basically equal to the number of US troops. While Obama advisers say they plan to "have a serious look" at the role of contractors in Iraq, one adviser seemed to indicate that unarmed contractors would continue to operate at significant levels. "These contractors are not only providing private security functions like Blackwater. They're rebuilding schools, they are serving food, they're doing logistics, they're driving trucks, and the important question is, If you take those 100,000-plus contractors out of Iraq, what do you replace them with? Inevitably the answer is, You replace them with US military."
But, the senior adviser notes, "ideally we would have diplomatic security personnel, US government personnel, not subcontracted but US Bureau of Diplomatic Security agents providing security to all our ambassadors."
Says another Obama adviser, "If we could start this whole war from the beginning, what would we have done versus what can we do now, now that we're in the middle of it? In an ideal world, we would not have these contractors, but that's not the world we operate in right now."
The State Department has only an estimated 1,450 diplomatic security agents worldwide who are actual government employees, and only thirty-six are deployed in Iraq. In contrast, Blackwater has nearly 1,000 operatives in Iraq alone, not to mention the hundreds more working for DynCorp and Triple Canopy. Moreover, the State Department says it could take years to identify prospective new agents, vet them, train them and deploy them. In short, this would be no small undertaking by a President Obama. As Ambassador Ryan Crocker said in late 2007, "There is simply no way at all that the State Department's Bureau of Diplomatic Security could ever have enough full-time personnel to staff the security function in Iraq. There is no alternative except through contracts."
Making diplomatic security a military operation would pose serious challenges as well. As The New York Times reported late last year, "the military does not have the trained personnel to take over the job." Even if the military trained a specialized force for executive protection and bodyguarding in Iraq, this arrangement would mean more US military convoys traveling inside Iraq, potentially placing them in deadly conflict with Iraqi civilians on a regular basis.
The private security industry knows well that it has become a central part of US policy in Iraq and Afghanistan. Extricating the firms from this position would require a major and aggressive undertaking with significant Congressional support, which is by no means guaranteed. In fact, Blackwater appears to see a silver lining in the prospect of US forces being withdrawn or reduced in Iraq. Joseph Schmitz, chief operating officer of Blackwater's parent company, The Prince Group, said, "There is a scenario where we could as a government, the United States, could pull back the military footprint, and there would then be more of a need for private contractors to go in." The Obama senior adviser called Schmitz's comment "an unfortunate characterization."
Illinois Democrat Jan Schakowsky, one of Congress's sharpest critics of the war contracting system, says of Schmitz's remark, "That's why some of us have been really careful about not just talking about a troop withdrawal but a contractor withdrawal as well." Obama, she says, should make it impossible for Schmitz and others "to think that Barack Obama would be creating new opportunities for Blackwater after our troops are withdrawn." The clearest way for him to do that would be to endorse legislation banning the use of Blackwater and other mercenary firms in Iraq. In November Schakowsky and Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders introduced the Stop Outsourcing Security (SOS) Act, which mandates that US personnel undertake all diplomatic security in Iraq within six months of enactment. The bill has twenty-three co-sponsors in the House and one -- Sanders -- in the Senate. Sanders said he'd "love" it if Obama and Clinton signed on. "If either of them came on board, we'd certainly see more Democratic support," says Sanders. Will Obama do that before November? "The answer is no, in all candor," says the senior Obama adviser. "Obviously it's a dynamic situation, and he'll continue to analyze it."
Schakowsky is pressing Obama to support the bill and says that if he becomes President she will urge him to "cancel" any remaining Blackwater contract in Iraq: "There's plenty of justification to say this company is trouble, and there's no point in continuing our contract with them."
The senior adviser said, "Senator Obama is concerned that Blackwater remains in Iraq, and he's concerned that they remain in Iraq and other countries totally unaccountable to US law and totally unaccountable to the law in the country in which they are operating." Which raises the question: If he's so concerned, why not throw his support behind a ban on the use of these forces in Iraq?
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Posted by: edgar_michel on Feb 28, 2008 1:31 PM
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For myself, I'm going to learn how to make alternative energy systems and I'm planning to study until I have answers. I don't believe that there will be any representative elected to federal office that will do anything other than secure dwindling oil assets for the United States at any cost, because only those candidates will realize corporate support. This is a loose loose scenario, of course, but all the big corporations are exclusively fixed on consolidation of power and oil is an absolute necessity for that to happen. The only scenario that really makes sense is to develop a viable alternative to oil of which none now exist, but that requires the injection of enormous amounts of capital in order to transform entire infrastructures which makes vulnerable plans for consolidation. No candidate is therefore addressing that issue; therefore it is up to us, we the people, to address it. Like I said vote for the least ambitious of the candidates and then begin working on finding solutions to the problems yourself, because no-one is going to do it for us; no-one.
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Posted by: Kym525 on Feb 28, 2008 1:33 PM
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What? You guys thought making Obama our next president was the end? NOT! We've got work to do still.
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Posted by: BlueBerry PickN on Feb 28, 2008 2:37 PM
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NEGOTIATING the Candidates to a PLATFORM which more accurately reflects a Populist View on the Issues
...& the problem is...??
Nader? riiiiiiiight...
or maybe its dumb people too stupid to realize if THEY are willing to take whatever they're offered by their Candidates...
...that the Candidates have a virtually FREE HAND to negotiate their own terms from their Corporate Backers & Lobbyists?
Get in the Game, Folks. Take a look @ Nader's PLATFORM & directly CHALLENGE THE DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATES change their PLATFORM to REFLECT WHAT YOU WANT
it isn't a democracy if you just take whatever they hand out.
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Posted by: Rune on Feb 28, 2008 3:11 PM
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As Obama just pointed out to McCain, the mere presence of U.S. forces (and the lawless U.S. contractors that accompany them) in Iraq is promoting the violence and instability the U.S. seeks to eliminate. It is not a particularly difficult leap of imagination or reason to move from that realization to the conclusion that a meaningful solution will involve removing U.S. agents of violence from Iraq as means of getting to a promise of peace, not as an after the fact response to its manifestation, but it seems to be a greater leap than Obama (or those competing against him for the presidency) can manage.
One of the original criticisms of the illegal invasion of Iraq was that it was, indeed, illegal inasmuch as the U.S. is constitutionally bound to abide international treaties against wars of aggression now given that the government ratified such treaties after being instrumental in drafting them. Again, one need not stretch one's imagination to see that returning to U.N. authorizations and forces as a way of dealing with the mess created in Iraq is worthy of serious exploration, but Obama shows no more awareness of such a possibility than does George Bush. Instead, he points out that U.S. forces in Iraq are the source of much of the trouble on one day, then refuses to commit to removing the source of the trouble the next day. Being able to identify a major source of trouble over which the president has significant control is a major step forward from Bush's abilities, but not being able to take the obvious next step to capitalize on such realizations is, perhaps, even more disturbing than Bush's refusal to acknowledge mistakes.
All that aside, at a minimum, it would be encouraging to see Obama note that Bush as accomplished a major role reversal between the State and Defense departments. Where the State Department once performed the bulk of diplomatic tasks during conflicts, now the military has taken the lead, and most of the budget, in that area. And where clear lines once existed to prevent the State Department from (overtly) projecting force and violence into international conflicts, it has now become routine for the State Department to not only use spy vehicles as deadly weapons, but they also employ large numbers of mercenaries that directly undermine the credibility and efficacy the Department might hope to regain as a diplomatic agency. Here, again, however, Obama seems to have no insight into how to undo some of the institutionalized ill that George Bush and his team have put in place.
How difficult is it to see obvious problems, ask what changed to create and perpetuate them. and contemplate going back to the way things were arranged before daily disasters became the norm, just as a starting point for undoing the wrongs of the worst president ever? Apparently it may be more than Obama can--or is willing to--attempt.
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Posted by: Mister_PsyOps on Feb 28, 2008 4:00 PM
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The fact Obama is someone of color only has meaning on the issue as a red herring. A naked decoy, Obama impresses gullible rubes desperate enough to believe virtually anything rather than the obvious fact we are saddled with a Fascist system owned by monopolist corporate crime.
If Martin Luther King were alive, he would no doubt have renounced this hollow pretender from day one.
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Posted by: cindyn on Feb 28, 2008 4:20 PM
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» obama's position on iraq is not "thoughtful"
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Posted by: HeKnew on Feb 28, 2008 9:26 PM
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Government of the people, by the people and for the people.
Direct Democracy
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Posted by: AltB on Feb 29, 2008 3:33 AM
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I wish that none of this stuff had ever happened, but the reality is what it is. From what I've heard from Barack, he feels the same.
Think about it:
A logical and orderly draw-down I think would FIRST require bringing all forces under right law and justice as a first step otherwise you're looking at being open to SABATAGE with no remedy. Remember we're dealing with the NeoCon and other elements on many levels and in various entities.
Without this first step then war crimes continue, and the extra-judicial shenanigans continue. Without the first step, corporate-military alliance will continue to use humans as shields for its interests. This is what wanted and got the war in the first place.
An instant withdrawal from Iraq could leave all-out vacuum for regional war. This might not happen but it makes more sense to thoughtfully work your way out of this all-around tangled travesty. Iraq as a single nation might never happen again. However you can guarantee that the UN and Iraq's neighbors will look right to us if we leave them with the mess.
We have to submit to justice or we'll only have an instant, unjust and irresponsible exit of Iraq.
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Posted by: lesterliu on Feb 29, 2008 3:43 AM
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If one person was shot with an arrow, the best medical procedure is not to pull out the arrow immdetiately..now thinking of him as iraq.
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Posted by: lesterliu on Feb 29, 2008 3:59 AM
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its true he seldom promise anything, but i never see him lied as other politicans so blatantly did.
bottom line, it will take a few good years before the reality can corrupt him. here you go.
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Posted by: nobuko on Feb 29, 2008 4:58 AM
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There is NO WAY whomever the new President will be, be able to UNRAVEL all the destruction and devastation this administration has left.
What he plans on doing with Blackwater makes complete sense; he just can't get rid of them, because our MILITARY is NO MORE, therefore, he has NO CHOICE but to change the RULES, and make them accountable to our government.
If any of you Nay Sayers, have a MAGIC WAND, PLEASE USE IT, and TAKE America back to January, 2000, before Bush and Cheney took over!
It only took them 6-7 years to loot the treasury, destroy our Infrastructure, WEAKEN and Destroy our Military; now it will take atleast 2 generations to recoup; if ever. For I am one who believe, they will NOT turn over the Government, come January, 2009! I don't believe for one second, if Obama is our next President, that he will ALLOW the Bush/Cheney Administration to get away with MURDER, TREASON, AND GRAND THIEF! Remember, we have, what, 935 Lies they told to invade Iraq?
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Posted by: cognitorex on Feb 29, 2008 5:44 AM
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Bush withholds members of his administration from testifying often on National Security excuses while he turns a blind eye to Cheney and Haliburton tromping all over the American flag for profits and a corporate need to flee legal accountability.
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Posted by: Gravitas on Feb 29, 2008 5:46 AM
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Posted by: phindrup on Feb 29, 2008 6:03 AM
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Why are US personnel doing these jobs? Obviously it would be to the benefit the Iraqis if they were doing this work.
For the rest, if Obama is fair dinkum, pulling out means everybody! The US presence is the problem. Or at least the major part of the problem,. Get out! Go!
As for the security firms, put them under Iraqi law, retrospectively. Make the first pronouncement as President that all US forces and attachments are pulling out, forthwith.
Make the second pronouncement that all private security personnel are, and always have been subject to Iraqi law.
Get out so that others might begin to repair, rebuild the disaster that you have created.
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Posted by: Cybershaman on Feb 29, 2008 6:21 AM
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Posted by: leveller on Feb 29, 2008 6:31 AM
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Posted by: praedor on Feb 29, 2008 6:53 AM
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There, fixed. And saves a buttload of money too.
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Posted by: somegirl on Feb 29, 2008 7:13 AM
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And puh-leeze, I wish people would stop dumping service employees, who are really slaves, in with the mercenaries. The contracting corporations pay slave wages but get paid big bucks, costing taxpayers way more than than when the military itself did those jobs. And the Iraqis are still mainly unemployed because they're deemed too big of a security risk. Odd then that we are now arming former (yeah right) insurgents and giving them security jobs. My point is, it blurs the issues to dump them all in the same boat. Yes, they're all ripping off the US taxpayer at an unprecedented rate. But you don't hear anyone screaming about a poor cook or laundry worker from Nepal needing to come under US law because they killed a bunch of people. The crimes are not being committed by these lowly workers - it's all 'merkans, either killing, bribing, extorting or embezzling. And it's all by design!
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Posted by: QCao009 on Feb 29, 2008 7:55 AM
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The more the charisma, the bigger the check !!!
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Posted by: scott.gregory on Feb 29, 2008 8:21 AM
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» Obama is clearly not going to let the Iraq war continue?
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Posted by: jeffrey7 on Feb 29, 2008 8:54 AM
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The fact is we are in the world mess we are in because we like to use underhanded measures to get what we want in the World. Study our history and you will see it's true. Not the history channel,they're to Orwellian. Go to the library and dig it up for yourself.
We,the Government, use the model set out in 'The Prince' by Macciavelli. I spelt the name phonetically so you could ask about it at the library. In short this clown outlines how government should work. Basically it says;
You can Love me...Buy I will control you
You can hate me...But I will control You
You can fear me...But I will control You
You can join me...Buy I will control You
If you don't Love me,Hate Me,Fear Me or Join Me..I will still control You.
This is how BOTH parties in this country work. It is their business model.
We must undo what we have wrought upon the World if we are ever to get anywhere near a Peaceful World. To do that we need a new government,new congress, a new will to see good done, over this rulership by the rich tyranny we have now, and truly advance civilization.
Draft Jeffrey7 for Prez '08
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Posted by: carbon-based on Feb 29, 2008 9:09 AM
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The Blackwater mercenary organization is the problem. A group of highly trained and paid ex military is a dangerous organization to have in this country. The fact that they are doing protection work at maybe 4 times the salary of our average military is a crime!
What is really frightening is the thought of a President trying to disband such a group. Could you imagine a Presidential candidate calling for a stop to all Blackwater contracts? His security better be better than their abilities to get at someone!
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Posted by: CJC on Feb 29, 2008 9:13 AM
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However, we will not be able to get out of this deep deep hole with a stroke of a new president's pen. Neither Clinton nor Obama will be able to fire Blackwater, Halliburton, KBR etc etc. And none of us should think that we can let down our own vigilance in monitoring what our government is up to. Voting for Nader is no solution.
It's good to bring these matters up for discussion in the campaign. The problem is that the MSM doesn't want to ask the hard questions either, so they write endlessly about which demographic group is more or less likely to support which candidate while the question of Blackwater remains hidden.
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Posted by: Democritus on Feb 29, 2008 10:31 AM
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Because Dennis Kucinich is fighting to retain his House seat, there seems to be no one else except Nader to tell both Clinton and Obama that we need to get our military out of Iraq safely--lock, stock, and Humvees, and to send those Blackwater people home first.
There is no need for us to stay until Iraq is "stabilized." That's the Bush team's mantra. Both Obama and Clinton need to realize that the price of human lives is too great to pay for the oil revenues that might eventually start flowing. That's right, "oil." That's the only reason we've built all those bases in Iraq--to protect the oil. That it's somebody else's oil seems to make no difference to candidates in either political party.
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Posted by: xbj on Feb 29, 2008 10:51 AM
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Posted by: Desalinator on Feb 29, 2008 11:31 AM
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Then there's the damage they do to our relations with locals whose support we are trying to win.
If the US doesn't have enough soldiers to meet its commitments, it should either:
- Re-institute the draft, or
- Scale back our commitments
/s/Retired army officer
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Posted by: xbj on Feb 29, 2008 11:32 AM
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I particularly like the loaded line "not that you have asked for advice..."
Rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrright.
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» No. Only things that come out of Karl Rove's ass are poop.
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Posted by: xbj on Feb 29, 2008 11:45 AM
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And that "Now, because THE SURGE IS WORKING, the Iraq war is now suddenly A SMART WAR. Not a dumb war anymore. Trust me. I'm Obama, remember? Not Bush, not McCain, but Obama!"
And MORE SMART WARS would be nuking Iran. But first, Pakistan!
THOSE ARE HIS WORDS.
COUNT ON IT.
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Posted by: xbj on Feb 29, 2008 12:10 PM
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An end to the GOP reign in the White House. At any cost. To get the world back onto the right track again.
How would a REAL Democrat have reacted to Hillary's campaign?
Supported it wholeheartedly; 95% of the American public believes rightly that the entire world was better off during the Clinton years. Another Clinton Presidency would have been welcomed by most all the American Public and certainly by the rest of the world. Bill Clinton was the absolute most beloved President by the entire world than any other, including Kennedy. ALL POLLS prior to Obama showed that if ONLY 51% of women voted for Hillary, she would have won hands down.
What's the ONE thing anyone could have done to screw that inevitability up?
Divide and conquer. Put up a young male black candidate with overwhelming oratorial prowess, charm, and charisma, to peel off Hillary's black and female support.
What's the one thing that Obama did, which has divided up the Democrat Party into two fighting factions and has (according to the rigged MSM anyway) lost ALL the advantage they had against McCain, BEFORE OBAMA entered the race and created ObamaNation?
Entered the race. And kept going when it was obvious ObamaNation was tearing up the Party and destroying 95% of their chance at winning the White House.
Would a REAL Democrat have done that?
Hell no.
Is Obama a real Democrat?
Hell no.
Is Obama a tool of Rove?
Might as well be if he isn't. He should damn well be on the payroll for the trillion dollar job he's doing at handing the White House to McCain.
If Obama is a real Democrat, what should he do?
Cut a deal with Hillary for VP, and end his campaign. Before Rove can pull the rug out from under him AND THE ENTIRE DEMOCRATIC PARTY with Larry Sinclair and other revelations about Obama's drugs and sexual past.
What will he do?
THAT's how you will know whether he is a tool of Rove and the GOP or not.
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» IF Hillary is a Republican, WHO TRIED TO KILL HER?
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» RE: IF Hillary is a Republican, WHO TRIED TO KILL HER?
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» Apparently you are quite ignorant, aren't you.
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» He's drunk all right... on Rove Kool-aid
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» RE: How you can know Obama is a tool of the GOP
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» How about answering MY questions?
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» Forgive me for moving on
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Posted by: Allen66 on Mar 1, 2008 5:15 AM
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More recently, his name is becoming nationally familiar as the longtime spiritual mentor of Barack Obama, who joined the church in 1988 - a move Obama says was important to shaping his identity as an African-American. In fact, Obama's book title "Audacity of Hope" was taken from one of Wright's sermons. (Plagiarism even then, huh?)
Here's some audacious comments from the good Rev. Wright on random topics:
On Natalee Holloway: "One 18-year-old white girl from Alabama gets drunk on a graduation trip to Aruba, goes off and 'gives it up' while in a foreign country, and that stays in the news for months!" he added. "Maybe I am missing something!"
On 9/11: "In the 21st century, white America got a wake-up call after 9/11/01...White America and the Western world came to realize that people of color had not gone away, faded into the woodwork or just 'disappeared,' as the Great White West kept on its merry way of ignoring Black concerns."
On Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan: "He brings a perspective that is helpful and honest...Minister Farrakhan will be remembered as one of the 20th and 21st century giants of the African-American religious experience."
He is NOT the kind of American President we want in office, our vote goes to Hillary who at least had the balls to reject Farrakhan's racism on MANY occasions.
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Posted by: macdon1 on Mar 1, 2008 5:57 PM
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Posted by: edgar_michel on Feb 28, 2008 1:31 PM
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For myself, I'm going to learn how to make alternative energy systems and I'm planning to study until I have answers. I don't believe that there will be any representative elected to federal office that will do anything other than secure dwindling oil assets for the United States at any cost, because only those candidates will realize corporate support. This is a loose loose scenario, of course, but all the big corporations are exclusively fixed on consolidation of power and oil is an absolute necessity for that to happen. The only scenario that really makes sense is to develop a viable alternative to oil of which none now exist, but that requires the injection of enormous amounts of capital in order to transform entire infrastructures which makes vulnerable plans for consolidation. No candidate is therefore addressing that issue; therefore it is up to us, we the people, to address it. Like I said vote for the least ambitious of the candidates and then begin working on finding solutions to the problems yourself, because no-one is going to do it for us; no-one.
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Posted by: Kym525 on Feb 28, 2008 1:33 PM
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What? You guys thought making Obama our next president was the end? NOT! We've got work to do still.
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» Naomi Wolf endoreses Obama for President, "Integrity has something to do with it."
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Posted by: BlueBerry PickN on Feb 28, 2008 2:37 PM
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NEGOTIATING the Candidates to a PLATFORM which more accurately reflects a Populist View on the Issues
...& the problem is...??
Nader? riiiiiiiight...
or maybe its dumb people too stupid to realize if THEY are willing to take whatever they're offered by their Candidates...
...that the Candidates have a virtually FREE HAND to negotiate their own terms from their Corporate Backers & Lobbyists?
Get in the Game, Folks. Take a look @ Nader's PLATFORM & directly CHALLENGE THE DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATES change their PLATFORM to REFLECT WHAT YOU WANT
it isn't a democracy if you just take whatever they hand out.
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» read that again, you sorta lost the plot
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Posted by: Rune on Feb 28, 2008 3:11 PM
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As Obama just pointed out to McCain, the mere presence of U.S. forces (and the lawless U.S. contractors that accompany them) in Iraq is promoting the violence and instability the U.S. seeks to eliminate. It is not a particularly difficult leap of imagination or reason to move from that realization to the conclusion that a meaningful solution will involve removing U.S. agents of violence from Iraq as means of getting to a promise of peace, not as an after the fact response to its manifestation, but it seems to be a greater leap than Obama (or those competing against him for the presidency) can manage.
One of the original criticisms of the illegal invasion of Iraq was that it was, indeed, illegal inasmuch as the U.S. is constitutionally bound to abide international treaties against wars of aggression now given that the government ratified such treaties after being instrumental in drafting them. Again, one need not stretch one's imagination to see that returning to U.N. authorizations and forces as a way of dealing with the mess created in Iraq is worthy of serious exploration, but Obama shows no more awareness of such a possibility than does George Bush. Instead, he points out that U.S. forces in Iraq are the source of much of the trouble on one day, then refuses to commit to removing the source of the trouble the next day. Being able to identify a major source of trouble over which the president has significant control is a major step forward from Bush's abilities, but not being able to take the obvious next step to capitalize on such realizations is, perhaps, even more disturbing than Bush's refusal to acknowledge mistakes.
All that aside, at a minimum, it would be encouraging to see Obama note that Bush as accomplished a major role reversal between the State and Defense departments. Where the State Department once performed the bulk of diplomatic tasks during conflicts, now the military has taken the lead, and most of the budget, in that area. And where clear lines once existed to prevent the State Department from (overtly) projecting force and violence into international conflicts, it has now become routine for the State Department to not only use spy vehicles as deadly weapons, but they also employ large numbers of mercenaries that directly undermine the credibility and efficacy the Department might hope to regain as a diplomatic agency. Here, again, however, Obama seems to have no insight into how to undo some of the institutionalized ill that George Bush and his team have put in place.
How difficult is it to see obvious problems, ask what changed to create and perpetuate them. and contemplate going back to the way things were arranged before daily disasters became the norm, just as a starting point for undoing the wrongs of the worst president ever? Apparently it may be more than Obama can--or is willing to--attempt.
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Posted by: Mister_PsyOps on Feb 28, 2008 4:00 PM
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The fact Obama is someone of color only has meaning on the issue as a red herring. A naked decoy, Obama impresses gullible rubes desperate enough to believe virtually anything rather than the obvious fact we are saddled with a Fascist system owned by monopolist corporate crime.
If Martin Luther King were alive, he would no doubt have renounced this hollow pretender from day one.
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» Real Hope is NOT on the Rise. Obama sells cheap Kool-Aid (as you resell it)
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Posted by: animalleaderisgreat on Feb 28, 2008 4:10 PM
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Posted by: cindyn on Feb 28, 2008 4:20 PM
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» obama's position on iraq is not "thoughtful"
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Posted by: HeKnew on Feb 28, 2008 9:26 PM
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Government of the people, by the people and for the people.
Direct Democracy
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Posted by: AltB on Feb 29, 2008 3:33 AM
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I wish that none of this stuff had ever happened, but the reality is what it is. From what I've heard from Barack, he feels the same.
Think about it:
A logical and orderly draw-down I think would FIRST require bringing all forces under right law and justice as a first step otherwise you're looking at being open to SABATAGE with no remedy. Remember we're dealing with the NeoCon and other elements on many levels and in various entities.
Without this first step then war crimes continue, and the extra-judicial shenanigans continue. Without the first step, corporate-military alliance will continue to use humans as shields for its interests. This is what wanted and got the war in the first place.
An instant withdrawal from Iraq could leave all-out vacuum for regional war. This might not happen but it makes more sense to thoughtfully work your way out of this all-around tangled travesty. Iraq as a single nation might never happen again. However you can guarantee that the UN and Iraq's neighbors will look right to us if we leave them with the mess.
We have to submit to justice or we'll only have an instant, unjust and irresponsible exit of Iraq.
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Posted by: lesterliu on Feb 29, 2008 3:43 AM
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If one person was shot with an arrow, the best medical procedure is not to pull out the arrow immdetiately..now thinking of him as iraq.
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Posted by: lesterliu on Feb 29, 2008 3:59 AM
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its true he seldom promise anything, but i never see him lied as other politicans so blatantly did.
bottom line, it will take a few good years before the reality can corrupt him. here you go.
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» Obama never lie???
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Posted by: nobuko on Feb 29, 2008 4:58 AM
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There is NO WAY whomever the new President will be, be able to UNRAVEL all the destruction and devastation this administration has left.
What he plans on doing with Blackwater makes complete sense; he just can't get rid of them, because our MILITARY is NO MORE, therefore, he has NO CHOICE but to change the RULES, and make them accountable to our government.
If any of you Nay Sayers, have a MAGIC WAND, PLEASE USE IT, and TAKE America back to January, 2000, before Bush and Cheney took over!
It only took them 6-7 years to loot the treasury, destroy our Infrastructure, WEAKEN and Destroy our Military; now it will take atleast 2 generations to recoup; if ever. For I am one who believe, they will NOT turn over the Government, come January, 2009! I don't believe for one second, if Obama is our next President, that he will ALLOW the Bush/Cheney Administration to get away with MURDER, TREASON, AND GRAND THIEF! Remember, we have, what, 935 Lies they told to invade Iraq?
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Posted by: cognitorex on Feb 29, 2008 5:44 AM
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Bush withholds members of his administration from testifying often on National Security excuses while he turns a blind eye to Cheney and Haliburton tromping all over the American flag for profits and a corporate need to flee legal accountability.
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Posted by: Gravitas on Feb 29, 2008 5:46 AM
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Posted by: phindrup on Feb 29, 2008 6:03 AM
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Why are US personnel doing these jobs? Obviously it would be to the benefit the Iraqis if they were doing this work.
For the rest, if Obama is fair dinkum, pulling out means everybody! The US presence is the problem. Or at least the major part of the problem,. Get out! Go!
As for the security firms, put them under Iraqi law, retrospectively. Make the first pronouncement as President that all US forces and attachments are pulling out, forthwith.
Make the second pronouncement that all private security personnel are, and always have been subject to Iraqi law.
Get out so that others might begin to repair, rebuild the disaster that you have created.
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Posted by: Cybershaman on Feb 29, 2008 6:21 AM
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Posted by: leveller on Feb 29, 2008 6:31 AM
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Posted by: praedor on Feb 29, 2008 6:53 AM
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There, fixed. And saves a buttload of money too.
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Posted by: somegirl on Feb 29, 2008 7:13 AM
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And puh-leeze, I wish people would stop dumping service employees, who are really slaves, in with the mercenaries. The contracting corporations pay slave wages but get paid big bucks, costing taxpayers way more than than when the military itself did those jobs. And the Iraqis are still mainly unemployed because they're deemed too big of a security risk. Odd then that we are now arming former (yeah right) insurgents and giving them security jobs. My point is, it blurs the issues to dump them all in the same boat. Yes, they're all ripping off the US taxpayer at an unprecedented rate. But you don't hear anyone screaming about a poor cook or laundry worker from Nepal needing to come under US law because they killed a bunch of people. The crimes are not being committed by these lowly workers - it's all 'merkans, either killing, bribing, extorting or embezzling. And it's all by design!
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Posted by: QCao009 on Feb 29, 2008 7:55 AM
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The more the charisma, the bigger the check !!!
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Posted by: scott.gregory on Feb 29, 2008 8:21 AM
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» Obama is clearly not going to let the Iraq war continue?
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Posted by: jeffrey7 on Feb 29, 2008 8:54 AM
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The fact is we are in the world mess we are in because we like to use underhanded measures to get what we want in the World. Study our history and you will see it's true. Not the history channel,they're to Orwellian. Go to the library and dig it up for yourself.
We,the Government, use the model set out in 'The Prince' by Macciavelli. I spelt the name phonetically so you could ask about it at the library. In short this clown outlines how government should work. Basically it says;
You can Love me...Buy I will control you
You can hate me...But I will control You
You can fear me...But I will control You
You can join me...Buy I will control You
If you don't Love me,Hate Me,Fear Me or Join Me..I will still control You.
This is how BOTH parties in this country work. It is their business model.
We must undo what we have wrought upon the World if we are ever to get anywhere near a Peaceful World. To do that we need a new government,new congress, a new will to see good done, over this rulership by the rich tyranny we have now, and truly advance civilization.
Draft Jeffrey7 for Prez '08
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Posted by: carbon-based on Feb 29, 2008 9:09 AM
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The Blackwater mercenary organization is the problem. A group of highly trained and paid ex military is a dangerous organization to have in this country. The fact that they are doing protection work at maybe 4 times the salary of our average military is a crime!
What is really frightening is the thought of a President trying to disband such a group. Could you imagine a Presidential candidate calling for a stop to all Blackwater contracts? His security better be better than their abilities to get at someone!
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Posted by: CJC on Feb 29, 2008 9:13 AM
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However, we will not be able to get out of this deep deep hole with a stroke of a new president's pen. Neither Clinton nor Obama will be able to fire Blackwater, Halliburton, KBR etc etc. And none of us should think that we can let down our own vigilance in monitoring what our government is up to. Voting for Nader is no solution.
It's good to bring these matters up for discussion in the campaign. The problem is that the MSM doesn't want to ask the hard questions either, so they write endlessly about which demographic group is more or less likely to support which candidate while the question of Blackwater remains hidden.
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Posted by: Democritus on Feb 29, 2008 10:31 AM
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Because Dennis Kucinich is fighting to retain his House seat, there seems to be no one else except Nader to tell both Clinton and Obama that we need to get our military out of Iraq safely--lock, stock, and Humvees, and to send those Blackwater people home first.
There is no need for us to stay until Iraq is "stabilized." That's the Bush team's mantra. Both Obama and Clinton need to realize that the price of human lives is too great to pay for the oil revenues that might eventually start flowing. That's right, "oil." That's the only reason we've built all those bases in Iraq--to protect the oil. That it's somebody else's oil seems to make no difference to candidates in either political party.
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Posted by: xbj on Feb 29, 2008 10:51 AM
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» And my friend, it speaks VOLUMES
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Posted by: Desalinator on Feb 29, 2008 11:31 AM
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Then there's the damage they do to our relations with locals whose support we are trying to win.
If the US doesn't have enough soldiers to meet its commitments, it should either:
- Re-institute the draft, or
- Scale back our commitments
/s/Retired army officer
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Posted by: xbj on Feb 29, 2008 11:32 AM
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I particularly like the loaded line "not that you have asked for advice..."
Rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrright.
More...
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» The "Audacity of Hope" came out of Karl Rove's ass
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» No. Only things that come out of Karl Rove's ass are poop.
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Posted by: xbj on Feb 29, 2008 11:45 AM
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And that "Now, because THE SURGE IS WORKING, the Iraq war is now suddenly A SMART WAR. Not a dumb war anymore. Trust me. I'm Obama, remember? Not Bush, not McCain, but Obama!"
And MORE SMART WARS would be nuking Iran. But first, Pakistan!
THOSE ARE HIS WORDS.
COUNT ON IT.
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» Another Bush GOP voter for Obama
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Posted by: xbj on Feb 29, 2008 12:10 PM
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An end to the GOP reign in the White House. At any cost. To get the world back onto the right track again.
How would a REAL Democrat have reacted to Hillary's campaign?
Supported it wholeheartedly; 95% of the American public believes rightly that the entire world was better off during the Clinton years. Another Clinton Presidency would have been welcomed by most all the American Public and certainly by the rest of the world. Bill Clinton was the absolute most beloved President by the entire world than any other, including Kennedy. ALL POLLS prior to Obama showed that if ONLY 51% of women voted for Hillary, she would have won hands down.
What's the ONE thing anyone could have done to screw that inevitability up?
Divide and conquer. Put up a young male black candidate with overwhelming oratorial prowess, charm, and charisma, to peel off Hillary's black and female support.
What's the one thing that Obama did, which has divided up the Democrat Party into two fighting factions and has (according to the rigged MSM anyway) lost ALL the advantage they had against McCain, BEFORE OBAMA entered the race and created ObamaNation?
Entered the race. And kept going when it was obvious ObamaNation was tearing up the Party and destroying 95% of their chance at winning the White House.
Would a REAL Democrat have done that?
Hell no.
Is Obama a real Democrat?
Hell no.
Is Obama a tool of Rove?
Might as well be if he isn't. He should damn well be on the payroll for the trillion dollar job he's doing at handing the White House to McCain.
If Obama is a real Democrat, what should he do?
Cut a deal with Hillary for VP, and end his campaign. Before Rove can pull the rug out from under him AND THE ENTIRE DEMOCRATIC PARTY with Larry Sinclair and other revelations about Obama's drugs and sexual past.
What will he do?
THAT's how you will know whether he is a tool of Rove and the GOP or not.
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» IF Hillary is a Republican, WHO TRIED TO KILL HER?
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» Apparently you are quite ignorant, aren't you.
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» He's drunk all right... on Rove Kool-aid
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» How about answering MY questions?
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» RE: How about answering MY questions?
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Posted by: Allen66 on Mar 1, 2008 5:15 AM
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More recently, his name is becoming nationally familiar as the longtime spiritual mentor of Barack Obama, who joined the church in 1988 - a move Obama says was important to shaping his identity as an African-American. In fact, Obama's book title "Audacity of Hope" was taken from one of Wright's sermons. (Plagiarism even then, huh?)
Here's some audacious comments from the good Rev. Wright on random topics:
On Natalee Holloway: "One 18-year-old white girl from Alabama gets drunk on a graduation trip to Aruba, goes off and 'gives it up' while in a foreign country, and that stays in the news for months!" he added. "Maybe I am missing something!"
On 9/11: "In the 21st century, white America got a wake-up call after 9/11/01...White America and the Western world came to realize that people of color had not gone away, faded into the woodwork or just 'disappeared,' as the Great White West kept on its merry way of ignoring Black concerns."
On Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan: "He brings a perspective that is helpful and honest...Minister Farrakhan will be remembered as one of the 20th and 21st century giants of the African-American religious experience."
He is NOT the kind of American President we want in office, our vote goes to Hillary who at least had the balls to reject Farrakhan's racism on MANY occasions.
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