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Election 2008

Hillary's End: Arrogance Has Taken Her to the Brink

By Frank Rich, The New York Times. Posted February 24, 2008.


The lack of strategy for her campaign after Super Tuesday belies her belief that this was supposed to be a coronation.
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When people one day look back at the remarkable implosion of the Hillary Clinton campaign, they may notice that it both began and ended in the long dark shadow of Iraq.

It's not just that her candidacy's central premise -- the priceless value of "experience" -- was fatally poisoned from the start by her still ill-explained vote to authorize the fiasco. Senator Clinton then compounded that 2002 misjudgment by pursuing a 2008 campaign strategy that uncannily mimicked the disastrous Bush Iraq war plan. After promising a cakewalk to the nomination -- "It will be me," Mrs. Clinton told Katie Couric in November -- she was routed by an insurgency.

The Clinton camp was certain that its moneyed arsenal of political shock-and-awe would take out Barack Hussein Obama in a flash. The race would "be over by Feb. 5," Mrs. Clinton assured George Stephanopoulos just before New Year's. But once the Obama forces outwitted her, leaving her mission unaccomplished on Super Tuesday, there was no contingency plan. She had neither the boots on the ground nor the money to recoup.

That's why she has been losing battle after battle by double digits in every corner of the country ever since. And no matter how much bad stuff happened, she kept to the Bush playbook, stubbornly clinging to her own Rumsfeld, her chief strategist, Mark Penn. Like his prototype, Mr. Penn is bigger on loyalty and arrogance than strategic brilliance. But he's actually not even all that loyal. Mr. Penn, whose operation has billed several million dollars in fees to the Clinton campaign so far, has never given up his day job as chief executive of the public relations behemoth Burson-Marsteller. His top client there, Microsoft, is simultaneously engaged in a demanding campaign of its own to acquire Yahoo.

Clinton fans don't see their standard-bearer's troubles this way. In their view, their highly substantive candidate was unfairly undone by a lightweight showboat who got a free ride from an often misogynist press and from naïve young people who lap up messianic language as if it were Jim Jones's Kool-Aid. Or as Mrs. Clinton frames it, Senator Obama is all about empty words while she is all about action and hard work.

But it's the Clinton strategists, not the Obama voters, who drank the Kool-Aid. The Obama campaign is not a vaporous cult; it's a lean and mean political machine that gets the job done. The Clinton camp has been the slacker in this race, more words than action, and its candidate's message, for all its purported high-mindedness, was and is self-immolating.

The gap in hard work between the two campaigns was clear well before Feb. 5. Mrs. Clinton threw as much as $25 million at the Iowa caucuses without ever matching Mr. Obama's organizational strength. In South Carolina, where last fall she was up 20 percentage points in the polls, she relied on top-down endorsements and the patina of inevitability, while the Obama campaign built a landslide-winning organization from scratch at the grass roots. In Kansas, three paid Obama organizers had the field to themselves for three months; ultimately Obama staff members outnumbered Clinton staff members there 18 to 3.

In the last battleground, Wisconsin, the Clinton campaign was six days behind Mr. Obama in putting up ads and had only four campaign offices to his 11. Even as Mrs. Clinton clings to her latest firewall -- the March 4 contests -- she is still being outhustled. Last week she told reporters that she "had no idea" that the Texas primary system was "so bizarre" (it's a primary-caucus hybrid), adding that she had "people trying to understand it as we speak." Perhaps her people can borrow the road map from Obama's people. In Vermont, another March 4 contest, The Burlington Free Press reported that there were four Obama offices and no Clinton offices as of five days ago. For what will no doubt be the next firewall after March 4, Pennsylvania on April 22, the Clinton campaign is sufficiently disorganized that it couldn't file a complete slate of delegates by even an extended ballot deadline.

This is the candidate who keeps telling us she's so competent that she'll be ready to govern from Day 1. Mrs. Clinton may be right that Mr. Obama has a thin résumé, but her disheveled campaign keeps reminding us that the biggest item on her thicker résumé is the health care task force that was as botched as her presidential bid.

Given that Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Obama offer marginally different policy prescriptions -- laid out in voluminous detail by both, by the way, on their Web sites -- it's not clear what her added-value message is. The "experience" mantra has been compromised not only by her failure on the signal issue of Iraq but also by the deadening lingua franca of her particular experience, Washingtonese. No matter what the problem, she keeps rolling out another commission to solve it: a commission for infrastructure, a Financial Product Safety Commission, a Corporate Subsidy Commission, a Katrina/Rita Commission and, to deal with drought, a water summit.

As for countering what she sees as the empty Obama brand of hope, she offers only a chilly void: Abandon hope all ye who enter here. This must be the first presidential candidate in history to devote so much energy to preaching against optimism, against inspiring language and -- talk about bizarre -- against democracy itself. No sooner does Mrs. Clinton lose a state than her campaign belittles its voters as unrepresentative of the country.

Bill Clinton knocked states that hold caucuses instead of primaries because "they disproportionately favor upper-income voters" who "don't really need a president but feel like they need a change." After the Potomac primary wipeout, Mr. Penn declared that Mr. Obama hadn't won in "any of the significant states" outside of his home state of Illinois. This might come as news to Virginia, Maryland, Washington and Iowa, among the other insignificant sites of Obama victories. The blogger Markos Moulitsas Zúniga has hilariously labeled this Penn spin the "insult 40 states" strategy.

The insults continued on Tuesday night when a surrogate preceding Mrs. Clinton onstage at an Ohio rally, Tom Buffenbarger of the machinists' union, derided Obama supporters as "latte-drinking, Prius-driving, Birkenstock-wearing, trust-fund babies." Even as he ranted, exit polls in Wisconsin were showing that Mr. Obama had in fact won that day among voters with the least education and the lowest incomes. Less than 24 hours later, Mr. Obama received the endorsement of the latte-drinking Teamsters.

If the press were as prejudiced against Mrs. Clinton as her campaign constantly whines, debate moderators would have pushed for the Clinton tax returns and the full list of Clinton foundation donors to be made public with the same vigor it devoted to Mr. Obama's "plagiarism." And it would have showered her with the same ridicule that Rudy Giuliani received in his endgame. With 11 straight losses in nominating contests, Mrs. Clinton has now nearly doubled the Giuliani losing streak (six) by the time he reached his Florida graveyard. But we gamely pay lip service to the illusion that she can erect one more firewall.

The other persistent gripe among some Clinton supporters is that a hard-working older woman has been unjustly usurped by a cool young guy intrinsically favored by a sexist culture. Slate posted a devilish video mash-up of the classic 1999 movie "Election": Mrs. Clinton is reduced to a stand-in for Tracy Flick, the diligent candidate for high school president played by Reese Witherspoon, and Mr. Obama is implicitly cast as the mindless jock who upsets her by dint of his sheer, unearned popularity.

There is undoubtedly some truth to this, however demeaning it may be to both candidates, but in reality, the more consequential ur-text for the Clinton 2008 campaign may be another Hollywood classic, the Katharine Hepburn-Spencer Tracy "Pat and Mike" of 1952. In that movie, the proto-feminist Hepburn plays a professional athlete who loses a tennis or golf championship every time her self-regarding fiancé turns up in the crowd, pulling her focus and undermining her confidence with his grandstanding presence.

In the 2008 real-life remake of "Pat and Mike," it's not the fiancé, of course, but the husband who has sabotaged the heroine. The single biggest factor in Hillary Clinton's collapse is less sexism in general than one man in particular -- the man who began the campaign as her biggest political asset. The moment Bill Clinton started trash-talking about Mr. Obama and raising the specter of a co-presidency, even to the point of giving his own televised speech ahead of his wife's on the night she lost South Carolina, her candidacy started spiraling downward.

What's next? Despite Mrs. Clinton's valedictory tone at Thursday's debate, there remains the fear in some quarters that whether through sleights of hand involving superdelegates or bogus delegates from Michigan or Florida, the Clintons might yet game or even steal the nomination. I'm starting to wonder. An operation that has waged political war as incompetently as the Bush administration waged war in Iraq is unlikely to suddenly become smart enough to pull off that duplicitous a "victory." Besides, after spending $1,200 on Dunkin' Donuts in January alone, this campaign simply may not have the cash on hand to mount a surge.

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THANK YOU!
Posted by: foreverhope on Feb 24, 2008 2:10 PM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
But it's the Clinton strategists, not the Obama voters, who drank the Kool-Aid. The Obama campaign is not a vaporous cult; it's a lean and mean political machine that gets the job done. The Clinton camp has been the slacker in this race, more words than action, and its candidate's message, for all its purported high-mindedness, was and is self-immolating."

A few are finally saying what Obama's supporters KNOW!

YES WE CAN, & WE MUST, & YES WE WILL SAY NO TO 100 MORE YEARS!

THIS OLD WHITE GRANDMA BELIEVES IN HOPE!

VOTE OBAMA '08!

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» HOPE Posted by: Cathyc
» RE: THANK YOU! Posted by: rury
Bush's plan worked....
Posted by: CatDad on Feb 24, 2008 2:15 PM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
The invasion/occupation of Iraq was not just an act of US strategic/economic hegemony...it was also a domestic political trap to take out "centrist" Democrats who thought that they could triangulate every policy issue....The trap worked exceedingly well with John Kerry...who tried his best to have it both ways: Being against the Iraq War even though he voted for it...And so it is with Hillary. Hillary is choking on Iraq and NAFTA...She and Bill made an artform of co-opting/triangulating policy issues....Yet, there are certain policy issues which are truly in black and white...You're either for them or against them....There's no way "centrist" way out of this trap for Hillary. Obama at least has credibility on the issues of Iraq and NAFTA...explaining why he will probably get the nomination.

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» Hillary Posted by: Cathyc
Pat and Mike
Posted by: jebpgh on Feb 24, 2008 2:42 PM   
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You gotta love Frank Rich - he cuts to the quick. I frankly thought it was pretty funny that Hillary was trying to match up Barack with Karl. God, if Karl was working on her like he worked on John Kerry there would be flyers with her in bed with OBL and talking about their "love child". At least Barack talks about her attempt to run away from some of her 35 years of experience and pretend like she wasn;t on board on NAFTA...Shame!

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» RE: Pat and Mike Posted by: Vik
Arrogance
Posted by: srsmn on Feb 24, 2008 2:45 PM   
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Obama has proved that he's the better choice for organization...
Hillary and Bill thought they had it in the bag and acted like it... that alone was enough to sway me to the Obama side.
Now, she's getting hammered so bad that I'm actually starting to feel a little sorry for her.

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» RE: can't Cathy have an opinion? Posted by: sanddollar
Is this subtitle saying what you meant it to say?
Posted by: lexicon on Feb 24, 2008 2:59 PM   
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The lack of strategy for her campaign after Super Tuesday belies her belief that this was supposed to be a coronation.


Don't you mean, "The lack of strategy for her campaign after Super Tuesday reveals her belief that this was supposed to be a coronation."

or: "The lack of strategy for her campaign after Super Tuesday belies her denial that this was supposed to be a coronation."

anyway...whatever you meant to say, you said the exact opposite.

hope this helps. Good piece, by the way.

lexicon

???

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» Me? I'm not an editor Posted by: sanddollar
We can't have Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton
Posted by: Jasonix on Feb 24, 2008 3:16 PM   
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Electing the wife of a former president, whose predecessor was the son of another former president, would make our nation even more of a disgrace than it currently is. None of the foreign leaders would take Hillary Clinton seriously, and it would be the final straw that brands us as a banana republic to civilized nations. Electing the ex-president's wife is something that happens in places like the Philippines or Pakistan. It doesn't happen in modern democracies with functioning social institutions.

That's another reason why people are voting for Obama and not Clinton, although the TV pundits seem loathe to discuss it. The mere act of electing the ex-president's wife would be the final note that says that America is over as a first-world nation. Those who want to save America can't stomach doing that. It'd be akin to the public admitting in a referendum that power is now reserved only for members of a few elite families, and that outsiders shouldn't even try. Even though Hillary may represent part of the political establishment that wants to be gentler with the masses than the part of the elite that's been running things lately, many of us would prefer to keep alive the largely theoretical possibility that someone can start at the bottom and rise to the top. (Barak Obama, with his Harvard connections, really isn't that man - he only presents himself to be that. I'd rather have a president who got his BA from a place like the University of Maine, paid off a student loan, and worked his way to top by starting a company that provided a service that genuinely improved people's lives and treated his workers well. I think that the middle class should automatically vote against any candidate who went to an Ivy League school. We should also vote against all lawyers.)

I don't really have high hopes for Obama, but he does represent the only real chance, however slim, of change. I think that whoever is president, the various governments and power-players around the world have agreed to the same basic strategy - the next couple of decades are likely to bring about the toughest times that anyone living has ever seen, as peak oil and climate change wipe out everything we've come to take for granted. Government's job during this time will be to manage the die-off so that millions of people around the world perish but some semblance of order endures. (In other words, keep the losers separate from the rest of us so they die out of view.) No, we aren't going to elect a president who'll solve all these problems. It's too late for that.

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» Actually, You Said It Real Good Posted by: blackie4aces
» POW! Bull's-eye! Posted by: giles
How much CRAP do Americans (Christian Soldiers) need to take...
Posted by: Cathyc on Feb 24, 2008 3:49 PM   
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... before they come to their senses?

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Arm chair analyst
Posted by: anothername on Feb 24, 2008 4:03 PM   
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I'm not commenting as somebody who has analyzed the political campaigns in debt, but there are concerns I have.

For Mr. Rich to describe the Obama campaign as "lean and mean" is laughable considering how much money he is spending. I would hardly call that type of cash as "lean."

How much money is Mr. Obama paying his campaign workers? Is it minimum wage or a living wage? Does the campaign provide health benefits?

Could Ms. Clinton's claims for wrapping up the nomination have been little more than a common campaign technique of making a statement from a position of strength to discourage competition?

How many people are able to work for Obama because they do not already have commitments to children and to jobs? If Clinton's supporters were more free to move around the country or even within their own states, could she have stronger on-the-ground support?

I do not defend Ms. Clinton, but I am disturbed at lack of questions about Mr. Obama.

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» RE: Arm chair analyst Posted by: Quannah
» RE: Arm chair analyst Posted by: anothername
» RE: Arm chair analyst Posted by: Quannah
» RE: Arm chair analyst Posted by: foreverhope
» RE: Arm chair analyst Posted by: anothername
» RE: Arm chair analyst Posted by: kimbari
It Ain't Over 'Til It's Over
Posted by: dayahka on Feb 24, 2008 4:17 PM   
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If you think she's been arrogant so far, what will you say when you see what they say today--all the primaries so far are irrelevant and the elitist "superdelegates" will overturn democracy and select the nominee, namely Hillary...All this is a bit more than arrogance, as it borders on lunacy.

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Yes, Hillary botched Iraq/NAFTA, but McCain will Slice and Dice Obama!
Posted by: sofla100 on Feb 24, 2008 4:46 PM   
Current rating: 2    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I suggest two things bear consideration:

1. For Democrats, it's absolutely true that Hillary has against her Iraq and NAFTA. Now, she tries to weasel out of this, but I don't see how she can. Yes, Bill pushed and pulled for NAFTA and is credited with putting it in place, and Hillary now says she never pushed for it. But, nobody ever remembers her going against it either. So, she will never get out of this one. The Iraq war is the other one. She voted for the authority given to GWB and she cannot get out of that. As for Obama, he scores big on her with both these critical points, opposing NAFTA and the war.

2. Dems who gloat too much over Obama better be sure they are not just signing our November death warrant. Is Obama really the stronger candidate against McCain and his attack dogs? You can bet they will be coming and they will stop at nothing. And, don't count on the far Right-Wing being against McCain anymore by November either. McCain is bound to have Coulter, Limbaugh and the rest of these hyenas at his beck and call. All he has to do is kiss their butts (since they are all ego maniacs) a little bit to get them on his side. McCain could slice and dice Obama simply by putting him into the box of inexperience, the box of naievete on Iraq and terrorism. As McCain has said, "what did Obama mean about attacking Pakistan?" Bottom line, McCain is a well seasoned political animal and he will have a well greased attack machine for the Dem who goes against him. In this respect, Hillary being more of a "political animal," would have a better chance then the not yet seasoned Obama.

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» Hillary Propaganda Posted by: bluesmanjohnson
» RE: sofla100 Posted by: blackie4aces
» you and your race issues Posted by: KaptainSpiffy
20-20 Hindsight
Posted by: adrienne4dean on Feb 24, 2008 5:52 PM   
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Should Hillary have come out tentative rather than confident?

It's hardly original to condemn the candidate who was perceived to be ahead and falls behind. They did the same thing to Howard Dean. His campaign was accused of lavish spending, incompetent management, and every kind of strategic and tactical mistake.

http://www.hillaryspeaksforme.com/

*****A

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» Hillary... Posted by: kimbari
Frank Rich - Best Read in the NYT!!!
Posted by: Quannah on Feb 24, 2008 6:02 PM   
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I sorely miss Frank's Op-Eds on Sundays. It was always the first thing I read in the paper! (But that bitch Judy Miller forced me to cancel my subscription!)

Frank always displays brilliant insight, wicked humor, laser-accuracy and the ability to cut through all the bullshit and get right to the heart of the matter.

If you like this, read his book, "Greatest Story Ever Sold" - a brilliant map of how Bush got into all the trouble in Iraq (and other sordid messes).

Thanks, Frank!!!

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The videos Hillary does NOT want you to see!
Posted by: jhecht on Feb 24, 2008 6:39 PM   
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Check out the following videos on Youtube about Hillary. Then spread 'em far & wide...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xq8aopATYyw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMfUajhL24I&feature=related

I had thought of Hillary as just another machine politician. These videos make it clear that she is far worse... Not that Obama is perfect, but he's IMHO a lot less evil.

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Hillary's arrogance may have brought
Posted by: Kudzu on Feb 24, 2008 7:03 PM   
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her to the brink, but Mr Rich's stupidity has carried him over the edge. His meanderings have always been shallow, but with the added ingredient of bias tossed in, they are totally without purpose other than rant.

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» RE: Kudzu... Posted by: Quannah
Speaking of Burson-Marsteller . . .
Posted by: mclemens on Feb 24, 2008 9:04 PM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
What a shame Mr. Rich refers only to Microsoft and not to some of the other clients of this juggernaut of PR firms:

The Nigerian government during the Biafran war, to discredit reports of genocide.

Pinochet's fascist junta in Argentina during the 70's and early 80's, to attract foreign investment.

Suharto's Indonesian government, against claims of its genocide in East Timor.

Romanian despot Nicolae Ceaucescu.

A top executive of a Burson-Marsteller is former Miami businessman Otto Reich. During the Reagan administration, the Cuban-born Reich headed the US state department's Office of Public Diplomacy (OPD), whose task was to disseminate disinformation about the Sandinistas and discourage reporting critical of the contras. This outfit, whose operations were later found to be illegal by the US General Accounting Office, was staffed with five psychological warfare specialists from the 4th Psychological Operations Group of Fort Bragg. According to John Stauber and Sheldon Rampton, "the OPD...helped spread a scurrilous story that some American reporters had received sexual favors from Sandinista prostitutes in return for writing slanted stories". In 1987, after the US Congress shut down the OPD, congressman Jack Brooks called it "an important cog in the (Reagan) administration's effort to manipulate public opinion and congressional action".


Babcock & Wilcox, when its nuclear power plant in Three Mile Island had its famous mishap in 1979.

Union Carbide, to handle the public relations crisis caused by the Bhopal tragedy in 1984.

Exxon, to counter the negative press coverage it got in the wake of the Exxon-Valdez oil spill in 1989.

Eli Lilly and Monsanto subsidiary Nutra Sweet to promote the use of the genetically-engineered synthetic bovine growth hormone rBGH


For all of the above, see: http://home.intekom.com/tm_info/ge_bm.htm

Setting aside the all-too prevalent arguments of realpolitick in the interests of some much needed ethics and humanitarianism, one has to ask: what kind of depraved political opportunism would name the head of a company with this kind of record "head of strategy"?

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Hillary's "35 years of experience"
Posted by: onevoter on Feb 24, 2008 9:20 PM   
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Hillary has kept repeating her mantra of "35 years of experience"....
Let's see, she was 8 years First Lady of the US, and 12 years First Lady of Arkansas. That's 20 years being the wife of a Governor and President. So, two decades of being a political spouse! Some experience-NOT!
That leaves her 15 years.
She has been New York Senator for 8 years.
Seems that's the most she can claim.
I don't know whay Obama doesn't call her out on that.
Guess he doesn't have to. Looks like she will go back to being the junior Senator from New York.

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it's not that she's arrogant, but that she's *authoritarian* that's the real problem
Posted by: Suzon on Feb 25, 2008 3:44 AM   
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Clinton has been bought and paid for by the corporations, putting her in the awkward position of continually having to defend the indefensible (insurance as part of health care, for example).

Authoritarians have to constantly claim that they are right, because their positions are not authoritative (based on sound evidence). It cannot have the resonance of truth.

Obama at least has a lot of the rhetoric right. How authoritative he is remains to be seen.

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Glad to see
Posted by: freshlemon on Feb 25, 2008 5:22 AM   
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that so many people are still thinking on the "bandwagon" level. For some reason I thought that voter's high school hunger to be on the popular side had been left back in high school.

I remember how the student body president in my high school won a landslide victory....he is now the town ne'er do well drunk. Such a shame because he sounded good, looked good, was supported by all the popular people and seemed great to all the wannabes.

Unfortunately he was a big disappointment in that role.

The girl who lost the election in high school has gone on to become CEO of her own company, has a family,works as a volunteer for the homeless and has made a positive difference in the lives of many people.

By the way, in street vernacular "bitch" is a word with totally different meanings than the negative one that most people grew up with. If something is "bitchin'" it's good. The SNL show has always been on the edge, and in this instance uses a word with different connotations.

The bandwagon is often a very uncomfortable ride when the crowds stop cheering.

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» RE: Glad to see Posted by: naryaquid
EXACTLY, desperate measure
Posted by: davy on Feb 25, 2008 5:59 AM   
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I have made up my mind and I'm NOT going negative, we have had enough negativity and Bush's and Clinton's.

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Alternet is just as sexist at the mainstream media
Posted by: sick&tired on Feb 25, 2008 6:36 AM   
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Lately when I log on - I'm amazed how Alternet is just as guilty of sexist media reporting and hype about Hillary as all the others. At first I was surprised, now I'm just disgusted. How is she any more arrogant than any of the men? Especially Obama? I think no matter what she does, she get criticized. She does the same things as the men in the campaigns, but she is somehow a bitch, or divisive, or arrogant, or something. It's really blatant sexism and no one seems to thing it's wrong. Her physical appearance is constantly judged. Personally, I think she looks fine. Why does no one critic Obama? Or McCain? He is downright scary looking. Hillary gets bad press just for breathing & I think it shows the pattern of bad press, even in the "alternative" community. Put an end to it!! This should be the one place we can go to hear UNBIAS news. Not the same old misogynist garbage.

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God Bless American Men
Posted by: Maya on Feb 25, 2008 7:53 AM   
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But in the core of our misogynist little american hearts we WILL tolerate male arrogance, even embrace it. So when Obama's cock strut is over--we'll see what's behind it. As with all those before him--probably nothing. Just corruption and ineptitude.

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Hillary Clinton
Posted by: jacksmith on Feb 25, 2008 8:47 AM   
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YOU MIGHT BE AN IDIOT:-)

If you think Barack Obama with little or no experience would be better than Hillary Clinton with 35 years experience.

You Might Be An Idiot!

If you think that Obama with no experience can fix an economy on the verge of collapse better than Hillary Clinton. Who's husband (Bill Clinton) led the greatest economic expansion, and prosperity in American history.

You Might Be An Idiot!

If you think that Obama with no experience fighting for universal health care can get it for you better than Hillary Clinton. Who anticipated this current health care crisis back in 1993, and fought a pitched battle against overwhelming odds to get universal health care for all the American people.

You Might Be An Idiot!

If you think that Obama with no experience can manage, and get us out of two wars better than Hillary Clinton. Who's husband (Bill Clinton) went to war only when he was convinced that he absolutely had to. Then completed the mission in record time against a nuclear power. AND DID NOT LOSE THE LIFE OF A SINGLE AMERICAN SOLDIER. NOT ONE!

You Might Be An Idiot!

If you think that Obama with no experience saving the environment is better than Hillary Clinton. Who's husband (Bill Clinton) left office with the greatest amount of environmental cleanup, and protections in American history.

You Might Be An Idiot!

If you think that Obama with little or no education experience is better than Hillary Clinton. Who's husband (Bill Clinton) made higher education affordable for every American. And created higher job demand and starting salary's than they had ever been before or since.

You Might Be An Idiot!

If you think that Obama with no experience will be better than Hillary Clinton who spent 8 years at the right hand of President Bill Clinton. Who is already on record as one of the greatest Presidents in American history.

You Might Be An Idiot!

If you think that you can change the way Washington works with pretty speeches from Obama, rather than with the experience, and political expertise of two master politicians ON YOUR SIDE like Hillary and Bill Clinton..

Best regards

jacksmith...

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» RE: Hillary Clinton Posted by: gabbyone
» RE: Sorry pal, I "fit" Posted by: Sissy
» Hey Gabbyone... Posted by: Quannah
» Guess I'm an idiot, then. Posted by: rwday@cox.net
» RE: Hillary Clinton Posted by: gabbyone
» Gabbyone Posted by: Quannah
Sick of rich asshats and their arrogance
Posted by: DaBear on Feb 25, 2008 9:18 AM   
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Obama, Clinton, McCain... they can all go to hell. Any one of them gets "elected" come November, y'all can get the lube out because you're in for yet another round of rich pervert screws 'Merkuh up the butt.

Sick and tired of this god dammed country. Sick of rich arrogance assholes running us into the ground.

Just you wait, rich white Alternets, they comin' for your house too, real soon. Then they'll come for your kids too. Keep on supporting Hillary or Obama. You'll be living in a campground too with the rest of us working homeless.

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» Just so you know... Posted by: Gungneir
» and what are the alternatives? Posted by: KaptainSpiffy
» don't put that off on me Posted by: KaptainSpiffy
» RE: don't put that off on me Posted by: Gungneir
» true and very harsh accountability Posted by: KaptainSpiffy
Keisha
Posted by: keisha on Feb 27, 2008 3:07 PM   
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If Obama wins the nomination, I'll vote for McCain. I am a democrat and I am Black. However, I don't think that Obama is ready to be the president. This country has so many problems that need to be addressed and I don't think that Obama is ready. If he had Hillary's experience, then I'd vote for him. But, he's not ready to take on what will probably be the hardest presidency in many years. No amount of touchy feely pep talk is going to change that. We should be voting for the most qualified person and it's just that simple. I've always thought McCain was an okay guy. Yes, he's Republican, but he's an Arizona republican, which is pretty moderate. I'm a pretty moderate democrat and so I don't think we differ that much. Most importantly, the democrats lost the last two elections to a guy that is totally incompetent. I do not want the first Black president to fail. Not to mention, I don't want the next democratic president to fail because if she/he does, then we'll never get the office back because Republicans will go on and on about how it's the democrats fault for all the problems. I'd rather suffer for four more years and get a chance at another qualified candidate.

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» RE: Keisha Posted by: Gungneir
Teetering on the Brink, and Teetering, and Teetering!!
Posted by: marizara on Mar 1, 2008 6:26 PM   
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Hillary got caught out! She really thought it was a wrap-up, and a stint in the White house was her destiny. She did not know that Obama hadn't even warmed up yet. Once she understood what was happening, she had to come out fighting, she had no choice. All she managed to do was to look like a furious little Pomeranian with a big yellow bow on its head. And when nobody cared, she made the mistake of thinking that doing it louder would make people hear her better. I'm sure she has learned something from all this. Gracefulness when one hears the word NO. Good grief, the whole country is saying NO to her, why doesn't she hear it?

Excellent article, by the way.

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