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Obama's Line on Lobbyists Is Misleading
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The word "lobbyist" seems to have a particular meaning in Obama's campaign vocabulary. His stump speeches imply that he is not taking money from people who want things from the government and push for them. The reality is that he has.
To explain: Opensecrets.org, the Web site of the Center for Responsive Politics, is the most authoritative source on campaign finances. Basing its reports on data from the Federal Election Commission, the Center shows that Obama indeed doesn't take much money from a sector the Center calls "lobbyists." Through the end of December, Clinton received more than $800,000 and McCain around $400,000 from this group, which the Center says includes people who work for lobbying firms at the local, state, and federal level and their relatives who are not otherwise employed, as well as those who are officially registered as Washington lobbyists. Obama received contributions of about just $86,000 from this group. Obama's Web site says he doesn't take money from Washington lobbyists or political action committees, and the Center says that if his campaign finds that the money came from registered Washington lobbyists, it does get returned.
How meaningful is this? "It's a politically smart position for him to take. It sounds profound," says Massie Ritsch, communications director for the Center for Responsive Politics. "But in fact neither PACs nor lobbyists give a lot to presidential campaigns. He's not leaving a whole lot of money on the table by eschewing PACs and lobbyists." PAC money represents only about one percent of all the money in a presidential race because, Ritsch says, so many people donate that their contributions dwarf PAC money.
Significantly, the Center's lobbyist sector excludes in-house lobbyists who work solely for one company, union, trade association, or other group. These people may lobby, but their contributions are grouped in the totals for the various industries they represent, along with contributions from other employees in the sector, their relatives, whatever PAC money has been raised, and donations from trade and professional associations which, of course, carry lots of weight in the horse trading that occurs when legislation is drafted. (Corporations cannot contribute directly to candidates.)
Contributions made by the various industry sectors tell the real story in a presidential race. And Opensecrets.org shows that Obama is picking up gobs of money put on the table by these special interests -- including those involved in health care, which will surely have a lot riding on the outcome of the election and will expect to be heard after the election is over.
Consider the sector called lawyers and law firms. Clearly, lawyers and law firms lobby on behalf of their own interests -- like fighting malpractice reform, which could again surface as a thorny issue for the new administration. Clinton and Obama have raised similar amounts from lawyers and law firms -- $11.8 and $9.5 million. McCain and Huckabee have taken far less. The health sector has also given to Obama, Clinton, and McCain. In the pharmaceutical and health product industries, contributions to Clinton total $349,000 and $338,000 to Obama. Again, McCain trails in donations at about $98,000, an indication that the sector sees the real action on the Democratic side of the ballot. Health professionals, which include doctors, nurses, and dentists, have given Clinton some $2.3 million and Obama $1.7 million.
Last August The Boston Globe, in a piece by Scott Helman, took a hard look at Obama's contributions, noting that "behind Obama's campaign rhetoric about taking on special interests lies a more complicated truth." That truth revealed that as a state legislator in Illinois, a U.S. senator, and as a presidential aspirant, Obama had collected hundreds of thousands of dollars from lobbyists and PACs. Helman quoted an Obama campaign spokeswoman saying that after he experienced firsthand the influence of Washington lobbyists, he was taking a different approach to fundraising than he had in the past, and that "his leadership position on this issue is an evolving process." If Obama's leadership on campaign financing is indeed evolving, more news outlets should be following the evolution.
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Posted by: Rune on Feb 26, 2008 12:12 AM
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It's the corporatocracy, stupid.
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Posted by: crat3 on Feb 26, 2008 3:22 AM
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Obama's pattern of lying shows a fundamental character flaw of dishonesty, making him unfit for the presidency, besides being unqualified and inexperienced.
Preaching hope, inspiration, change, with no substance, no specifics, no media challenge, and media fawning, Obama is instructive of how demagogues rise to power to inflict horrors on humanity.
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Posted by: Lauren on Feb 26, 2008 4:06 AM
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Everyone seems to think discriminating against native Americans is perfectly OK. This makes me suicidal, so when I talk to people about it, they call the police.
At least the police listened to me tell them I felt that way because of something I was told BY the police, there were other things they would not allow me to say.
He told me the officer lied. It does not reassure me to have the police tell me the police lie, I know that. It threatens my life, I am very aware of it. It was my husband that suddenly did not know officer DARE was a validating liar.
The police regularly lie to people, they are trained to.
That brick wall is really a maze. Not a set in stone maze you can figure out, but an interactive maze designed to kill you. It's that garden wall from the other side, the militarized zone.
When I started telling the officers my life was threatened BY the police, suddenly he decided I was manic, and he couldn't understand any of my babbling, etc, etc. Cleverly derailed.
I noticed this same effect when I was talking about all the criminal activity I am encountering by various tax employed personnel and holders of the public trust to my congresswomen's staff.
As soon as my statement slopped over into her department, I was brought up short to get the record corrected. Their office is not blatant like the city and county. When I complained about the city police, she did ask what city. Everything else I was talking about was just not under her. Very clever, they are on their toes.
Other than that, everyone is letting me babble on. This is a big change, I used to always get cut off by these kinds of people.
I can also hear the manic tapping into my phone line - off and on, cutting bits a pieces of choice comments. Whoever is taping me, is editing the hell out of it as recorded. Obviously gathering evidence against me - a religious and political leader - as a form of harassment.
There is nothing to get you upset like having your life threatened on a regular basis. When I tried to explain this perfectly normal reaction to the police suddenly - I'm not making sense.
I feel this as the most incredible - and deadly - discrimination. I am trying to tell them so, they don't want to hear about it.
It just occurred to me this morning, it could actually be a product of the vast intellectual difference between us. I don't think so, but maybe they really do not understand, maybe they are not smart enough to understand me. It is possible, especially when I am talking. I assume people know things more than they do. I'm 'over educated'.
Not meaning they get to throw me in jail, meaning someone should allow me to educate them. That is what the newspaper and so many others have made sure no one can do. It is a firewall against my people.
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Posted by: Lauren on Feb 26, 2008 4:10 AM
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Posted by: KAEL on Feb 26, 2008 4:34 AM
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Ritualistically attacking those who don't support him as "cynics"? This is not change. It is at best insulting to 50% of his party and at worst to a whole lot of independents too. Oh ya, then he's going to unite his party follwed by the country? Right!
Giving more money by a factor of three to super delegates while trying to change the rules that govern super delegates? This is not change. It is being better than your average bear at the sleaziest game in town, now made sleazier by the specter of the emptiest suit that's ever run for President working the stage like Garth Brooks.
Despite current polls (not factoring any challenges to his candidacy at all), he will lose to McCain in the fall, starting with debate arguments about national security and the military. It won't help that Barack in one of the most supremely stupid acts of poltical theatue in US history took his US flag lapel pin OFF as a "political gesture" and then Michelle had her ever so confident and clearly truthful Oprah Moment where she told the world that she had never been proud of her county. McCain will have these people for lunch!
The national election will not be like the primaries. Old folk vote and kids and independents don't. Old folk (the baby boomers) will own this election and Obama will go down. Clinton can beat McCain. Obama is simply too left and too full of himself to achieve that goal.
Let's send the Obamas back to Illinois. This man will cost us the Presidency, and then the media and his fans will say it was about race.
Which is ANOTHER gauling thing about the Idol's candidacy. It has stifled authentic debate about issues. From the day his campaign played the race card by calling a simple truth about politics involving MKL and LBJ "racist", this man and his supporters have shut down political discourse. It is very clear from the primaries that the only block of voters in this country that has not been color blind is his base.
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Posted by: BST on Feb 26, 2008 5:20 AM
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I've worked in media most of my life and never have been more ashamed of it than now. Finally, I understand and empathize with the decades-long complaints of conservatives about the liberal press.
Yup, I know what you mean.
But then we must all realize that these are industries dying out to the Internet, its bloggers and independent thinkers, so they're absolutely desperate for a spin or a dog fight.
It's ratings and subscribers and single-copy buyers at stake here, folks, but then you already know that. For shame, on all of them.
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Posted by: uluro on Feb 26, 2008 5:35 AM
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OMG, how shocking!
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Posted by: moevaughn on Feb 26, 2008 5:55 AM
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The Republicans are happy w/ his candidacy: the Dem Party is now divided and maybe on its way to being conquered.
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Posted by: rickiey on Feb 26, 2008 6:09 AM
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1. Obama claimes he doesn't take money from lobbyists or PACs.
2. Obama doesn't take money from lobbyists or PACs.
3. Lobbyists and PACs don't spend a lot of money on campaigns.
4. He does take money from individuals that are employed in market sectors that sometimes hire lobbyists, like his opponent does.
Somehow that makes him a liar? I'm looking for the lie and not seeing it.
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Posted by: funintheflsun on Feb 26, 2008 6:32 AM
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Who is putting Obama over the top? For the most part it's independants who should not even be voting for the candidate that the Democrats want to represent them. In poll after poll, the Democratic voters want Hillary. Our process is being corrupted by Republicans and Independants. I'm not saying Obama is bad or evil, I will support him if he is our nominee. I'm just saying that Demos better wake up and do some hard thinking before we make such a critical decision.
Last August The Boston Globe, in a piece by Scott Helman, took a hard look at Obama's contributions, noting that "behind Obama's campaign rhetoric about taking on special interests lies a more complicated truth." That truth revealed that as a state legislator in Illinois, a U.S. senator, and as a presidential aspirant, Obama had collected hundreds of thousands of dollars from lobbyists and PACs.
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Posted by: snax on Feb 26, 2008 6:40 AM
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"METHODOLOGY: The totals on these charts are calculated from PAC contributions and contributions from individuals giving more than $200, as reported to the Federal Election Commission. Individual contributions are generally categorized based on the donor's occupation/employer, although individuals may be classified instead as ideological donors if they've given more than $200 to an ideological PAC."
For the comprehensionally impaired, that makes anybody who listed an employer, giving more than $200, a corporate lobbyist.
Anybody looking at the data directly can clearly see who is beholden to so called 'lobbyists', (seriously, go look at the graphs), and it is clear that LARGE donors prefer Hillary Clinton above all else, whereas the common person is behind the majority of contributions to the Obama campaign, regardless of how you try to label them.
Go apply for a job at Fox News. I'm sure they'd love to employ somebody who can so eloquently distort the truth.
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Posted by: RobNLA on Feb 26, 2008 8:24 AM
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For example, the article suggests that Obama is beholded to special interests in the health industry because health professionals, which include doctors, nurses, and dentists, have given Clinton some $2.3 million and Obama $1.7 million.
So the logic then is that he should reject donations from anyone in medicine? Just because someone works in this industry doesn't automatically make them part of a special interest group for the medical industry.
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Posted by: garella on Feb 26, 2008 10:33 AM
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Of course, everyone who donates to a campaign has some reason for doing so, something they want the candidate to do, whether it's opposing environmental regulations (bad!) or stopping US agents from committing acts of torture (good!).
So everyone who donates is a lobbyist on this level. There's no way for Obama, or any candidate, to distinguish because the distinction is meaningless.
The only way, in the world of this article, for a candidate to truthfully claim he/she takes no money from lobbyists is therefore to take no money from anyone.
Well, that would be nice, but we would need a 100% publicly financed campaign system first.
If you're going to hold someone to a standard, you better design your standard so it's possible to meet it.
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Posted by: thelostsailor on Feb 26, 2008 2:00 PM
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McCain...you wouldn't EVER trust him to tell the truth- thus, he has gathered the trust of the Republican Party....
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Posted by: WILDSTARCHILD on Feb 26, 2008 3:28 PM
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This shows a movement from the the ground up. Now who do you think will influence the Senator more,$80K from special interests or $100 million from THE PEOPLE. This all needs to be put in perspective. Also, Barack needs to address this inconsistency with a rebuttal that makes sense. For I have no doubt McCant will be using this against him.
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Posted by: chlamor on Feb 26, 2008 3:33 PM
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FOLLOW THE MONEY
Obama's presidential campaign has received nearly $5 million dollars from securities and investment firms and $866,000 from commercial banks through October of 2007. Obama's top contributor so far is Goldman Sachs (provider of $369,078 to Obama), identified by Center for Responsive Politics (CRP) investigators as "a major proponent of privatizing Social Security as well as legislation that would essentially deregulate the investment banking/securities industry." Eight of Obama's top twenty election investors are securities and investment firms: Goldman Sachs, Lehman Bros. (#2 at $229,090), J.P. Morgan Chase and Co. (# 4 at $216,759), Citadel Investment Group (#7 at 4166,608), UBS AG ($146,150), UBS-America ($106,680), Morgan Stanley ($104,421), and Credit Suisse Group ($92,300). The last two firms are also known to be leading privatization advocates.
Meanwhile, Obama's presidential run has been "assisted" by more than $2 million from the health care sector and nearly $400,000 from the insurance industry through October of 2007. Obama received $708,000 from medical and insurance interests between 2001 and 2006.
And Obama's sixth largest contributor is Exelon, the proud Chicago-based owner and operator of more nuclear power plants than any entity on earth.
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Posted by: chlamor on Feb 26, 2008 3:38 PM
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Hillary Clinton;
Goldman Sachs $413,361 Morgan Stanley $362,700 Citigroup Inc $350,895 Lehman Brothers $241,870 JP Morgan Chase & Co $214,880 EMILY's List $213,266 National Amusements Inc $210,010 Kirkland & Ellis $179,676 Greenberg Traurig Llp $177,800 Skadden, Arps et al $167,796 Merrill Lynch $165,042 Cablevision Systems $145,313 Time Warner $144,977 Microsoft Corp $143,459 Bear Stearns $141,835 Latham & Watkins $138,598 Patton Boggs $137,200 Ernst & Young $126,865 PricewaterhouseCoopers $121,939
Barack Obama:
Goldman Sachs $421,763 Ubs Ag $296,670 Lehman Brothers $250,630 National Amusements Inc $245,843 JP Morgan Chase & Co $243,848 Sidley Austin LLP $226,491 Citigroup Inc $221,578 Exelon Corp $221,517 Skadden, Arps Et Al $196,420 Jones Day $181,996 Citadel Investment Group $171,798 Time Warner $155,383 Morgan Stanley $155,196 Google Inc $152,802 University of California $143,029 Jenner & Block $136,565 Kirkland & Ellis $134,738 Wilmerhale Llp $119,245 Credit Suisse Group $118,250
We hear it all the time: “Republicans are the party of big business and Democrats are the party of the people.” Court rulings have even endorsed the idea that spending cash in support of candidates is “free speech.” There sure is a ton of money being spent for something that is "free."
In his Super Tuesday speech, Mr. Obama asserted that he isn’t taking money from PAC’s during his presidential campaign. While this is true, he nevertheless has received huge amounts of campaign cash from individuals associated with certain industries.
B-U-N-D-L-E-R-S
Ask yourself these questions after reviewing the statistics:
1. Which party is the party of big business (hint: they both are)?
2. Do you believe campaign cash has a direct impact on legislation and policy?
3. Do you believe either Clinton or Obama is free to act on behalf of the American people instead of catering to corporate America?
Straight from the horses mouth:
“I believe all of you are as open and willing to listen as anyone else in America. I believe you care about this country and the future we are leaving to the next generation. I believe your work to be a part of building a stronger, more vibrant, and more just America. I think the problem is that no one has asked you to play a part in the project of American renewal.”
- Barack Obama, speaking to the masters of “American” finance capitalism at the headquarters of NASDAQ, Wall Street, New York City, September 17, 2007
"I believe that U.S. forces are still a part of the solution in Iraq.”
- Barack Obama
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Posted by: weslen1 on Feb 26, 2008 4:26 PM
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Martin Luthor King Jr. was an HONEST MAN. Barack O-ego trip spits on his memory. He accuses Hillary and everyone else of saying anything, using any dirty trick to get the votes but lets himself off the hook while he does the same. He attacks from the shadows then denies he had anything to do with it, puts his own propaganda out there and blames it on Hillary and when she tells the truth out in the open he accuses her some more of using attacks that are "unfounded" even though they are the truth. That is the ones SHE uses, not the ones NOVAK and DRUDGE among others dream up. Except the picture "leaked" to Drudge I believe Obama handed over himself as a smoke screen to cover his own attacks.
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Posted by: happyhermit on Feb 26, 2008 9:29 PM
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or type "obama" into sourcewatch.org
or nakedfrogblog.blogspot.com
obama's hairsplitting rhetorical distinctions between "lobbyist" and "bundlers" and "special interests" are beyond misleading.
but if they can mislead the american people into thinking he's clean and beating mccain, so be it.
still, we should know what we're getting ourselves into. i've been waiting for a good article on this subject.
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Posted by: Rune on Feb 26, 2008 12:12 AM
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It's the corporatocracy, stupid.
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Posted by: crat3 on Feb 26, 2008 3:22 AM
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Obama's pattern of lying shows a fundamental character flaw of dishonesty, making him unfit for the presidency, besides being unqualified and inexperienced.
Preaching hope, inspiration, change, with no substance, no specifics, no media challenge, and media fawning, Obama is instructive of how demagogues rise to power to inflict horrors on humanity.
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Posted by: Lauren on Feb 26, 2008 4:06 AM
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Everyone seems to think discriminating against native Americans is perfectly OK. This makes me suicidal, so when I talk to people about it, they call the police.
At least the police listened to me tell them I felt that way because of something I was told BY the police, there were other things they would not allow me to say.
He told me the officer lied. It does not reassure me to have the police tell me the police lie, I know that. It threatens my life, I am very aware of it. It was my husband that suddenly did not know officer DARE was a validating liar.
The police regularly lie to people, they are trained to.
That brick wall is really a maze. Not a set in stone maze you can figure out, but an interactive maze designed to kill you. It's that garden wall from the other side, the militarized zone.
When I started telling the officers my life was threatened BY the police, suddenly he decided I was manic, and he couldn't understand any of my babbling, etc, etc. Cleverly derailed.
I noticed this same effect when I was talking about all the criminal activity I am encountering by various tax employed personnel and holders of the public trust to my congresswomen's staff.
As soon as my statement slopped over into her department, I was brought up short to get the record corrected. Their office is not blatant like the city and county. When I complained about the city police, she did ask what city. Everything else I was talking about was just not under her. Very clever, they are on their toes.
Other than that, everyone is letting me babble on. This is a big change, I used to always get cut off by these kinds of people.
I can also hear the manic tapping into my phone line - off and on, cutting bits a pieces of choice comments. Whoever is taping me, is editing the hell out of it as recorded. Obviously gathering evidence against me - a religious and political leader - as a form of harassment.
There is nothing to get you upset like having your life threatened on a regular basis. When I tried to explain this perfectly normal reaction to the police suddenly - I'm not making sense.
I feel this as the most incredible - and deadly - discrimination. I am trying to tell them so, they don't want to hear about it.
It just occurred to me this morning, it could actually be a product of the vast intellectual difference between us. I don't think so, but maybe they really do not understand, maybe they are not smart enough to understand me. It is possible, especially when I am talking. I assume people know things more than they do. I'm 'over educated'.
Not meaning they get to throw me in jail, meaning someone should allow me to educate them. That is what the newspaper and so many others have made sure no one can do. It is a firewall against my people.
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Posted by: KAEL on Feb 26, 2008 4:34 AM
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Ritualistically attacking those who don't support him as "cynics"? This is not change. It is at best insulting to 50% of his party and at worst to a whole lot of independents too. Oh ya, then he's going to unite his party follwed by the country? Right!
Giving more money by a factor of three to super delegates while trying to change the rules that govern super delegates? This is not change. It is being better than your average bear at the sleaziest game in town, now made sleazier by the specter of the emptiest suit that's ever run for President working the stage like Garth Brooks.
Despite current polls (not factoring any challenges to his candidacy at all), he will lose to McCain in the fall, starting with debate arguments about national security and the military. It won't help that Barack in one of the most supremely stupid acts of poltical theatue in US history took his US flag lapel pin OFF as a "political gesture" and then Michelle had her ever so confident and clearly truthful Oprah Moment where she told the world that she had never been proud of her county. McCain will have these people for lunch!
The national election will not be like the primaries. Old folk vote and kids and independents don't. Old folk (the baby boomers) will own this election and Obama will go down. Clinton can beat McCain. Obama is simply too left and too full of himself to achieve that goal.
Let's send the Obamas back to Illinois. This man will cost us the Presidency, and then the media and his fans will say it was about race.
Which is ANOTHER gauling thing about the Idol's candidacy. It has stifled authentic debate about issues. From the day his campaign played the race card by calling a simple truth about politics involving MKL and LBJ "racist", this man and his supporters have shut down political discourse. It is very clear from the primaries that the only block of voters in this country that has not been color blind is his base.
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Posted by: BST on Feb 26, 2008 5:20 AM
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I've worked in media most of my life and never have been more ashamed of it than now. Finally, I understand and empathize with the decades-long complaints of conservatives about the liberal press.
Yup, I know what you mean.
But then we must all realize that these are industries dying out to the Internet, its bloggers and independent thinkers, so they're absolutely desperate for a spin or a dog fight.
It's ratings and subscribers and single-copy buyers at stake here, folks, but then you already know that. For shame, on all of them.
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Posted by: uluro on Feb 26, 2008 5:35 AM
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OMG, how shocking!
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Posted by: moevaughn on Feb 26, 2008 5:55 AM
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The Republicans are happy w/ his candidacy: the Dem Party is now divided and maybe on its way to being conquered.
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Posted by: rickiey on Feb 26, 2008 6:09 AM
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1. Obama claimes he doesn't take money from lobbyists or PACs.
2. Obama doesn't take money from lobbyists or PACs.
3. Lobbyists and PACs don't spend a lot of money on campaigns.
4. He does take money from individuals that are employed in market sectors that sometimes hire lobbyists, like his opponent does.
Somehow that makes him a liar? I'm looking for the lie and not seeing it.
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Posted by: funintheflsun on Feb 26, 2008 6:32 AM
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Who is putting Obama over the top? For the most part it's independants who should not even be voting for the candidate that the Democrats want to represent them. In poll after poll, the Democratic voters want Hillary. Our process is being corrupted by Republicans and Independants. I'm not saying Obama is bad or evil, I will support him if he is our nominee. I'm just saying that Demos better wake up and do some hard thinking before we make such a critical decision.
Last August The Boston Globe, in a piece by Scott Helman, took a hard look at Obama's contributions, noting that "behind Obama's campaign rhetoric about taking on special interests lies a more complicated truth." That truth revealed that as a state legislator in Illinois, a U.S. senator, and as a presidential aspirant, Obama had collected hundreds of thousands of dollars from lobbyists and PACs.
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Posted by: snax on Feb 26, 2008 6:40 AM
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"METHODOLOGY: The totals on these charts are calculated from PAC contributions and contributions from individuals giving more than $200, as reported to the Federal Election Commission. Individual contributions are generally categorized based on the donor's occupation/employer, although individuals may be classified instead as ideological donors if they've given more than $200 to an ideological PAC."
For the comprehensionally impaired, that makes anybody who listed an employer, giving more than $200, a corporate lobbyist.
Anybody looking at the data directly can clearly see who is beholden to so called 'lobbyists', (seriously, go look at the graphs), and it is clear that LARGE donors prefer Hillary Clinton above all else, whereas the common person is behind the majority of contributions to the Obama campaign, regardless of how you try to label them.
Go apply for a job at Fox News. I'm sure they'd love to employ somebody who can so eloquently distort the truth.
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Posted by: RobNLA on Feb 26, 2008 8:24 AM
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For example, the article suggests that Obama is beholded to special interests in the health industry because health professionals, which include doctors, nurses, and dentists, have given Clinton some $2.3 million and Obama $1.7 million.
So the logic then is that he should reject donations from anyone in medicine? Just because someone works in this industry doesn't automatically make them part of a special interest group for the medical industry.
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Posted by: garella on Feb 26, 2008 10:33 AM
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Of course, everyone who donates to a campaign has some reason for doing so, something they want the candidate to do, whether it's opposing environmental regulations (bad!) or stopping US agents from committing acts of torture (good!).
So everyone who donates is a lobbyist on this level. There's no way for Obama, or any candidate, to distinguish because the distinction is meaningless.
The only way, in the world of this article, for a candidate to truthfully claim he/she takes no money from lobbyists is therefore to take no money from anyone.
Well, that would be nice, but we would need a 100% publicly financed campaign system first.
If you're going to hold someone to a standard, you better design your standard so it's possible to meet it.
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Posted by: thelostsailor on Feb 26, 2008 2:00 PM
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McCain...you wouldn't EVER trust him to tell the truth- thus, he has gathered the trust of the Republican Party....
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Posted by: WILDSTARCHILD on Feb 26, 2008 3:28 PM
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This shows a movement from the the ground up. Now who do you think will influence the Senator more,$80K from special interests or $100 million from THE PEOPLE. This all needs to be put in perspective. Also, Barack needs to address this inconsistency with a rebuttal that makes sense. For I have no doubt McCant will be using this against him.
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Posted by: chlamor on Feb 26, 2008 3:33 PM
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FOLLOW THE MONEY
Obama's presidential campaign has received nearly $5 million dollars from securities and investment firms and $866,000 from commercial banks through October of 2007. Obama's top contributor so far is Goldman Sachs (provider of $369,078 to Obama), identified by Center for Responsive Politics (CRP) investigators as "a major proponent of privatizing Social Security as well as legislation that would essentially deregulate the investment banking/securities industry." Eight of Obama's top twenty election investors are securities and investment firms: Goldman Sachs, Lehman Bros. (#2 at $229,090), J.P. Morgan Chase and Co. (# 4 at $216,759), Citadel Investment Group (#7 at 4166,608), UBS AG ($146,150), UBS-America ($106,680), Morgan Stanley ($104,421), and Credit Suisse Group ($92,300). The last two firms are also known to be leading privatization advocates.
Meanwhile, Obama's presidential run has been "assisted" by more than $2 million from the health care sector and nearly $400,000 from the insurance industry through October of 2007. Obama received $708,000 from medical and insurance interests between 2001 and 2006.
And Obama's sixth largest contributor is Exelon, the proud Chicago-based owner and operator of more nuclear power plants than any entity on earth.
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Posted by: chlamor on Feb 26, 2008 3:38 PM
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Hillary Clinton;
Goldman Sachs $413,361 Morgan Stanley $362,700 Citigroup Inc $350,895 Lehman Brothers $241,870 JP Morgan Chase & Co $214,880 EMILY's List $213,266 National Amusements Inc $210,010 Kirkland & Ellis $179,676 Greenberg Traurig Llp $177,800 Skadden, Arps et al $167,796 Merrill Lynch $165,042 Cablevision Systems $145,313 Time Warner $144,977 Microsoft Corp $143,459 Bear Stearns $141,835 Latham & Watkins $138,598 Patton Boggs $137,200 Ernst & Young $126,865 PricewaterhouseCoopers $121,939
Barack Obama:
Goldman Sachs $421,763 Ubs Ag $296,670 Lehman Brothers $250,630 National Amusements Inc $245,843 JP Morgan Chase & Co $243,848 Sidley Austin LLP $226,491 Citigroup Inc $221,578 Exelon Corp $221,517 Skadden, Arps Et Al $196,420 Jones Day $181,996 Citadel Investment Group $171,798 Time Warner $155,383 Morgan Stanley $155,196 Google Inc $152,802 University of California $143,029 Jenner & Block $136,565 Kirkland & Ellis $134,738 Wilmerhale Llp $119,245 Credit Suisse Group $118,250
We hear it all the time: “Republicans are the party of big business and Democrats are the party of the people.” Court rulings have even endorsed the idea that spending cash in support of candidates is “free speech.” There sure is a ton of money being spent for something that is "free."
In his Super Tuesday speech, Mr. Obama asserted that he isn’t taking money from PAC’s during his presidential campaign. While this is true, he nevertheless has received huge amounts of campaign cash from individuals associated with certain industries.
B-U-N-D-L-E-R-S
Ask yourself these questions after reviewing the statistics:
1. Which party is the party of big business (hint: they both are)?
2. Do you believe campaign cash has a direct impact on legislation and policy?
3. Do you believe either Clinton or Obama is free to act on behalf of the American people instead of catering to corporate America?
Straight from the horses mouth:
“I believe all of you are as open and willing to listen as anyone else in America. I believe you care about this country and the future we are leaving to the next generation. I believe your work to be a part of building a stronger, more vibrant, and more just America. I think the problem is that no one has asked you to play a part in the project of American renewal.”
- Barack Obama, speaking to the masters of “American” finance capitalism at the headquarters of NASDAQ, Wall Street, New York City, September 17, 2007
"I believe that U.S. forces are still a part of the solution in Iraq.”
- Barack Obama
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Posted by: weslen1 on Feb 26, 2008 4:26 PM
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Martin Luthor King Jr. was an HONEST MAN. Barack O-ego trip spits on his memory. He accuses Hillary and everyone else of saying anything, using any dirty trick to get the votes but lets himself off the hook while he does the same. He attacks from the shadows then denies he had anything to do with it, puts his own propaganda out there and blames it on Hillary and when she tells the truth out in the open he accuses her some more of using attacks that are "unfounded" even though they are the truth. That is the ones SHE uses, not the ones NOVAK and DRUDGE among others dream up. Except the picture "leaked" to Drudge I believe Obama handed over himself as a smoke screen to cover his own attacks.
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Posted by: happyhermit on Feb 26, 2008 9:29 PM
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or type "obama" into sourcewatch.org
or nakedfrogblog.blogspot.com
obama's hairsplitting rhetorical distinctions between "lobbyist" and "bundlers" and "special interests" are beyond misleading.
but if they can mislead the american people into thinking he's clean and beating mccain, so be it.
still, we should know what we're getting ourselves into. i've been waiting for a good article on this subject.
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