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Election 2008

One Major Difference Between Clinton and Obama? Their Records On Cuba

By John Nichols, The Nation. Posted February 20, 2008.


If we look past their bland pronouncements on the campaign trail, it becomes clear that Clinton and Obama have widely divergent views on Cuba.
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It is often suggested that there is not much difference between Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton when it comes to the stands they have taken as senators. And on the question of how the U.S. relates to Cuba -- an issue that has suddenly moved to the forefront with the news that Fidel Castro is stepping down as the leader of the Caribbean nation -- the candidates can sound similar.

When word came of Castro's move, Obama said the Cuban president's decision to hand power to his younger brother "should mark the end of a dark era in Cuba's history. ... Fidel Castro's stepping down is an essential first step, but it is sadly insufficient in bringing freedom to Cuba."

Clinton said, "The United States must pursue an active policy that does everything possible to advance the cause of freedom, democracy and opportunity in Cuba."

That's reasonably standard language for presidential candidates talking about Cuba.

But this is a case where the records behind the words really do tell different stories.

During their shared tenure in the Senate, and over the course of the current campaign, Obama and Clinton have taken different stands and sent distinct signals.

They have even voted differently on an issue that has provided a regular test of congressional sentiments regarding U.S. policy toward Cuba.

When the Senate has debated proposals to strip funding for TV Marti -- the always-troubled initiative to beam U.S. produced television programming into Cuba, which in turn jams the signal -- Obama has sided with those who argue that the $200-million propaganda campaign wastes money and good will.

Breaking with the powerful anti-Castro lobby in the Cuban-American community, the senator from Illinois voted twice to cut off TV Marti funding.

In contrast, Clinton voted to maintain TV Marti funding.

Last year, The Washington Post wrote that, "Obama spokesman Robert Gibbs said the senator's opposition to TV Marti was primarily about cost. But within Florida's large Cuban exile population, one of the most powerful voting blocs in the state, Clinton's and Obama's stances ally them with distinct groups: the older hard-liners and a younger, more progressive group of second-generation Cuban Americans and more recent immigrants whose numbers are growing."

Miami-based pollster Sergio Bendixen, one of the ablest analysts of campaigning on issues related to Cuba, says, "(Clinton) is going with the status quo." In contrast, argues Bendixen, "(Obama) is with the position of change."

It is not just on the question of funding for TV Marti that Obama is distinguished from Clinton.

The senator from Illinois says he wants to ease U.S.- Cuba travel restrictions, while the senator from New York would maintain the harsher policies imposed by the Bush administration. Obama went so far as to outline his position in an August, 2007, opinion piece written for the Miami Herald, in which he argued that, "Cuban-American connections to family in Cuba are not only a basic right in humanitarian terms, but also our best tool for helping to foster the beginnings of grassroots democracy on the island." As a result, he said, "I will grant Cuban-Americans unrestricted rights to visit family and send remittances to the island."

In that same article, Obama also raised the possibility of opening bilateral talks with a post-Castro government.

Those are hardly radical positions, and Obama is no friend of Castro's. He's criticized the outgoing Cuban leader over human rights concerns and said today that, "Cuba's future should be determined by the Cuban people and not by an anti-democratic successor regime."

But the Illinois senator's relative moderation on travel and diplomatic fronts has drawn criticism from several of his opponents, including Clinton, who argued when Obama wrote his Miami Herald piece that, "Until it is clear what type of policies might come with a new government, we cannot talk about changes in the U.S. policies toward Cuba."

The criticism from Republican John McCain has been even more pointed. McCain, who has campaigned with Miami Cuban exiles who support the Bush administration's tight restrictions against Cuba, is a hard-liner when it comes to U.S. relations with the island nation.

"Freedom for the Cuban people is not yet at hand," complained McCain after learning of Castro's decision.

"America can and should help hasten the sparking of freedom in Cuba," added McCain. "The Cuban people have waited long enough."

Translation: McCain would be as tough, perhaps tougher, than the Bush administration when it comes to Cuba.

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John Nichols is The Nation's Washington correspondent.

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Posted by: anothername on Feb 20, 2008 5:44 AM   
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The reason for multiple news outlets is that different stories are identified, written, and published. Someone who favors Obama will pick a topic that slants in favor of that candidate. Someone who favors Clinton will pick a topic that slants in favor of that candidate. So on and so forth. A reader could then put all the articles together and come out with a multi-dimensional understanding. This is a fair article, but it is just one of many that need to be written and then to be read. This is the type of article that I wish AlterNet would run every day.

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No Difference,
Posted by: Andie927 on Feb 20, 2008 5:54 AM   
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Roule (sp. Castro's brother) is not going to change anything! This is hardly the biggest issue of the day!

There are a lot real substantive differences, between Clinton and Edwards, without looking this far a field. The only problem is that all the rest of them make her (and this isn't easy) look good compared to him!!

The majority of Obama's wins have come about with the help of a lot of Republican votes! Doen't that worry anyone?? Why isn't anyone asking why?? (I was part of the NH crowd who switched to Republican to vote for McCain in the 2000 Primary. The Media got it wrong! We weren't voting for McCain, we were voting against Bush!!) I believe the Repugs. are switching to vote against Hillary, and if Obama wins the nomination, that's okay because he's Pro-Wall St., and MORE Republican-LIKE, then Hillary. As hard as that is to be, and still have a D after your name!

Just look at the three major issues: Healthcare, Barack is FOR Insurance not healthcare, to the point that he wants to use tax dollars to 'subsidize' the Insurance Co.
Social Security: Google Liebman, Jeffery! Read hsi 2004/5 paper. This is one of Obama's chief adviser's, if you read down far enough, to have his 'Private Retirement Accts.' (sound familar, it should, Bush)he wants to increase retirement age, and cut benefits by 45%!!!
Environment: Obama is FOR Coal and Nuclear! Why do you think Gore (no love lose for the Clintons) hasn't endorsed him??There was just a special on TV (Sunday, 60 Min.??) about obama constituents in Ill. upset over Exlon/Excelon ? a Nuclear Power Co. (and big doner to him) that we're spilling radio active waste, and contaiminating their wells! His eventual solution, after negotiating with the company, was to let the Corporation Regulate itself Voluntarily!! (Sound Bush-Like to you?)

If I was good at computers, I'd paste a comment from CommonDreams, a person wrote about Patrick Duval's campaign and how similar it was to Obama's, and how disappointed the people of Mass. are now!!

I REALLY hope the Dem. Party starts to do a little vetting on Obama, and bring out the issues, and where he stands! It'll be too late very soon!! I for one, am looking into the Green Party!!

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» RE: No Difference, Posted by: charlief
» RE: No Difference, Posted by: FrannyAnn
» RE: No Difference, Posted by: MindyB
» RE: No Difference, Posted by: jvaljon1
» RE: No Difference, Posted by: vegngrl
» Heaven forbid... Posted by: jmooney
The Biggest Difference on Cuba
Posted by: John McAuliff on Feb 20, 2008 6:03 AM   
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In the Brown and Black Forum, and in their responses to a questionnaire from the Cuban American National Foundation, a crucial difference is that Obama is prepared to negotiate without preconditions with Raul Castro. Clinton (a.k.a. Bush light) is not. http://candidatecubawatch.blogspot.com/

Regrettably neither speaks to the issue of immediately restoring the Bill Clinton policy that allowed a wide range of non-tourinst travel, e.g. world affairs councils, short term study tours, museums, professional groups, humanitarian and religious organizations.

The reality is that travel restrictions are unenforcable. A recent GAO report observed that 120,000 Americans travel to Cuba annually through third countries and that the Office of Foreign Assets Control does not know how to deal with civil disobedience by groups like Pastors for Peace. Nothing is moving on the adminstrative hearings required when people who are caught by OFAC demand them.

It is easy to travel to Cuba. Buy a ticket from a travel agent in a gateway country (Jamaica, Caymen, Nassau, Mexico, Panama, Venezuela, Canada). It comes with a tourist visa. The Cubans do not stamp your passport. I favor conscientious non-cooperation with a policy that denies a fundamental constitutional and human right and not trying to hide your travel to Cuba, but tens of thousands of Americans do otherwise.

director@ffrd.org

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dipconsult
Posted by: dipconsult on Feb 20, 2008 6:36 AM   
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When I visited Cuba professionally and was able to talk not only to (younger members of) the regime but unofficially to ordinary people met by chance. I was much impressed by the unanimity of response from both - namely recognition that there is much resentment at the heavy handedness of the regime, but at the same time a common determination to prevent the return of overwhelming American influence Castro or no Castro.

It seemed that the browner you are, the more you are grateful for the anti-racist moves of the regime. But even so many non-whites complain that the dictatorial element of the regime denies them opportunities they should have had once the old racism was gone. Also the lack of religious freedom is particularly painful for many.

Both the officials and the people I spoke to greatly appreciated the position taken by Spain - our 'mother country' as some put it. All felt the European Union and other EU countries could have done (might still do) much more to sidestep the US hardline economic embargo, and do more to promote dialogue particularly because the regime is not monolithic, like say Stalinism.

From what I can gather from Obama's statements on foreign policy - e.g notably in Foreign Affairs July/August '07 (I can find no such clear statement from Mme Clinton) Obama recognises that softly softly, and don't bully are the best ways to modify the regime's harshness. And because of Cuban memories of nasty side of A$merican historical 'hegemony' under such as Battista it is best for the US to keep in the background and work through Spain and others.

Above all - since the end of the Soviet Union - th US needs to recognise that Cuba is no big deal, just a smallish island near the US with no oil: the US can afford to let it go its own way just quietly encouraging more humane government. Not 'regime change'!

Yes - Obama - not Mme Clinton, and God forbid old tough guy-hero McClean!

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» RE: dipconsult Posted by: Lector
U.S. policy was and is dumb!
Posted by: HomerScarborough on Feb 20, 2008 6:38 AM   
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We had diplomatic and other relations with Russia when they were communist, and with China, who is still communist, but both big and powerful, and whose friendship we needed and need financially and diplomatically (I understand that Communist China is our biggest creditor). Our present policy toward Cuba is no longer necessary or desirable, except as an appeasement to those who still want to "punish" Castro. Open the door! Cuba is only 90 miles away, and our present policy is no longer justified, if it ever was.

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Hands off Cuba
Posted by: reinaldok on Feb 20, 2008 7:27 AM   
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Obama has stated, "Cubas futures should be determined by the Cuban people" that should be all. This is different from the trash emitted by Bush, Hillary and McCain and should be a good reson to vote for him.. Do we really want more interventions, more Nicaraguas, more Guatemalas on and on. BTW, one of the most, if not the most vociferous backers of the absurd failed Bush policy towards Cuba is not a repug but a demo congresswoman from Broward county (Miami area) - Debbie Wasserman-Schultz - a transplanted New Yorker. (Not even tooth paste for Cuba) Ms Wasserman-Schultz was reelected in 2006, unopposed. Interesting on a recent visit to Miami the now quite famous Nancy Pelosi was shuttled around the area by none other than Ms. Wasserman-Schultz

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BTW
Posted by: P. Hermes on Feb 20, 2008 7:50 AM   
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have you heard Bush's revealing comment yesterday while in Rwanda on bringing democracy to Cuba? Here is an excerpt. If you replace the phrase: "Castro brothers" with "Bush brothers" in context of staged elections, it is most revealing of his unconscious use of Orwell-speak:

President Bush: “The international community should work with the Cuban people to begin to build institutions that are necessary for democracy. And eventually this transition ought to lead to free and fair elections, and I mean free and I mean fair. Not these kind of staged elections that the Castro brothers try to foist off as being true democracy.”

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» RE: BTW Posted by: babs
» RE: BTW Posted by: reinaldok
» RE: Rignt on - Posted by: fearn
» RE: mick3 Posted by: MindyB
End the embargo!
Posted by: dikjosef on Feb 20, 2008 10:07 AM   
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What I don't understand is how we have held this grudge against the cuban people for decades, tried to assasinate castro and screw up their elections numerous times. Worst of all, we have held a huge embargo on them for decades, considering we are less than 100 miles north of them and are one of the largest food producers in the hemisphere, it seems a bit unfair. Also, why are we trading with china? Aren't they a communist country? I guess the only reason why we haven't lifted the embargo on cuba yet is because our U.S. corporations don't have any interests there.... no factories for mattel to make toys painted with lead paint to send back.... oh well, im sure all that will change when the CIA finally succeeds at staging a coup! heres to the "democratization" of the cuban people! privatized healthcare! privatized schools! free trade zones!! im sure that once the IMF and World Bank swing in there with their shock and awe program, they will be missing Castro...

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» RE: nd the embargo! Posted by: MindyB
CUBA
Posted by: donl51 on Feb 20, 2008 10:31 AM   
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I'd love to see a good relationship w/Cuba,re-opening trade and tourism w/ Cuba of course would pretty much kill commerce w/the other Carribean Countries,but then Nassau's way too crowded and expensive anyway! I'm certain the people of Cuba would appreciate an open country again as well! I just hope it doesn't become the hellhole it was under our buddy Batista,the reason for the revolt in the first place, y'know Castro did ask our help but we said nope! we love it corrupt just as it is/was!,so he went to the only other 'offer' bad for everyone more or less ,although I'm basically socialist. Well if we play it right the good things will happen,any bets?

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Hard line for Cuba, why then soft line for China????
Posted by: MindyB on Feb 20, 2008 10:35 AM   
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I agree with Barack Obama. It is terrible to deny access to family back in the Island, especialy since they don't have the choice to leave. By taking the absolute Bush/McCain/Clinton hardline, those hurt are not Cuba's government, but Cuba's people. After all these years of travel and economic sanctions what difference has it made with the Cuban gov.?? NONE. However, these "punishments" have consistently hurt the Cuban people who struggle to survive every day.

If the U.S. issue is with the political ideology of Fidel Castro and his governemnt--that it is a communist government. Then why does the U.S. have such a huge and prosperous economic relaitonship with China?? China is also a communist government that also has a bad human rights record. Why is it that we chose to punish one very small and isolated country for their political ideology, yet we reward another for the same ideology. There are no restrictions or sanctions with China, why? We have also borrowed billions of dollars from China!!, we have a huge trade deficit with China, etc., Why?

So the question here should be made in a broader sense, not just what the candidates' stand on Cuba-US relations, but with all countries that espouse the same political ideologies that the US doesn't like.

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Cuba
Posted by: willymack on Feb 20, 2008 11:01 AM   
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What should be done about Cuba? It's a Communist nation, but so was Yugoslovia under Tito, and we managed to establish cordial relations with them, didn't we? It's said that the Cuban-American community in Florida represents a major political influence in favor of our continued foolish and hostile policies toward Cuba, but let'f face it; those people are now Americans. They walk the walk, and talk the talk. Do you seriously believe that a majority of them would give up their American cicizenship to move to Cuba permanently, no matter what form of government took root there? I'm not saying that we shouldn't get rid of embargos or travel restrictions to Cuba. If we can trade freely and borrow money from China, we can establish normal relations with the much more friendly Cubans.

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Freedom isn't at hand in Vietnam
Posted by: billwald on Feb 20, 2008 12:00 PM   
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'"Freedom for the Cuban people is not yet at hand," complained McCain after learning of Castro's decision.'

Freedom isn't at hand in Vietnam, yet they are a favored trading partner with the USofA. What's the difference? I'll 'splain the difference.

Cuba could sell us alcohol at a dollar a gallon and undercut American sugar growers by 90%. American manufacturers can off shore American middle class jobs to Vietnam and make lots more money. THATS the difference.

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Not to be outdone,
Posted by: thelostsailor on Feb 20, 2008 1:22 PM   
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Mike Huckabee suggested that there will be no positive change in Cuba until Castro is actually dead, not just resigned, leaving open the idea that we should, yet again, try to kill Castro....
Break down the walls- we're enemies with so many countries in the world today, we can't even remember if we have any or how to be friends....

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Fidel's leadership
Posted by: Daniel35 on Feb 20, 2008 2:02 PM   
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Okay, I may go with Obama, rather than writing in Kucinich, though we didn't get much about Clinton's views.

Fidel as a dictator, sure, but at least he didn't pretend otherwise. The only thing I have against him is he didn't allow people to leave freely, but I can't blame him much there. He did handle their oil crisis very well, much better than Cheney/Bush ever would.

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McCain - Help for Cubans to bring back a new Batista or Papa Doc
Posted by: sofla100 on Feb 20, 2008 2:39 PM   
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Make no mistake, many a Miami Cuban exile is not so mad about Castro and the lack of "democracy." But, many are upset about the money and land they believe Castro expropriated. Now, many don't even want democracy in Cuba, because it might just bring about some real reforms. No, it is better to have a pro capitalist kind of guy. A new Batista or a Papa Doc. Somebody who can make sure your wealth is kept safe and with whom the system can be "easily greased" for what you want. Somebody who will ensure the commoners don't revolt and will work for $1 a day. This is the dream of not all, but many an exile who left behind the large estates and "the black' servants. Where the beggars and the sick were kept out of sight of the rich ones.

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Growing international support for Obama - including 62% of Iraqis!
Posted by: theworldwantsobama.org on Feb 21, 2008 9:56 AM   
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It's not just on Cuba, but on many foreign policy issues where Obama has more principled stances and is more likely to deliver. Its clear from the growing level of international support for Obama that his foreign policies chime with many non-Americans around the world.

A group of us have just formed The World Wants Obama Coalition. We're gathering evidence of his international support (for example we commissioned an independent poll of Iraqis and found 62% back Obama, the figure in London was even higher at 63%). We're also looking at ways global citizens can take action, for example by writing to Superdelegates. See our blog www.theworldwantsobama.org and Facebook site

If your not-American have a look and get involved! If you're American then pass these links onto your foreign friends who are following the elections closely.

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I thought the target was IRAN ?
Posted by: zipper696 on Feb 22, 2008 10:24 AM   
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Quote:
"Freedom for the Cuban people is not yet at hand," complained McCain after learning of Castro's decision.

"America can and should help hasten the sparking of freedom in Cuba," added McCain. "The Cuban people have waited long enough."
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Clearly John foresees a chance to test his Commander in Chief chops by a short sharp invasion to bring Freedom, Democracy and Halliburton to the hordes of "poor" Cubans..

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Talking to the neighbours
Posted by: jo5ef on Feb 22, 2008 10:15 PM   
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I find the Bush or McCain and even Hillary attitude really high handed. I'm Australian and we have neighbouring countries with varying degrees of democracy etc; you still need to have some kind of dialogue with them. Australias rapprochement with Indonesia has been instrumental in consolidating their democratic movement. US grandstanding on Cuba is a relic of the cold war, get over it.

Go Obama!

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isn't it about time
Posted by: lionsdenmother on Feb 26, 2008 1:49 PM   
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Isn't it about time to end this 50 year old cold war with cuba? How do you make peace without talking to people.

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we do business with china
Posted by: lionsdenmother on Feb 26, 2008 1:51 PM   
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we do business with china , and they are communists

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