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Election 2008

John McCain, the GOP Nominee? Bring Him On!

By Joshua Holland, AlterNet. Posted February 4, 2008.


Once you crack the media myths surrounding him, it's unlikely voters are going to go for an angry, unstable, hypocritical warmonger.
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According to the latest Washington Post poll, there's been a dramatic shift towards John McCain following his victory in the Florida GOP primary, and he now leads Mitt Romney by 24 points nationwide. With a number of winner-take all primaries on the Republican side, he has a very good shot at wrapping up the nomination on February 5. It looks like conservatives -- with a few raving-mad, mouth-breathing exceptions -- have gone through denial, anger, bargaining and depression and come finally to accept their insubordinate nominee. Modern conservatives are the philosophical heirs of the monarchists of a previous era; despite months of grumbling, most will, ultimately, rally around the king come November.

McCain is also the candidate most Democrats and progressives have feared facing in the general election. According to RealClearPolitics' rolling average of head-to-head polls, McCain would beat Clinton today by a slim margin of just under 2 percent and would edge out Obama by a razor-thin half-point. Eight months out -- and months before the first debate between the nominees -- these data mean little, but they are causing some concern on the left.

McCain is, however, an extremely weak candidate. The senator's been showing his age throughout the primaries, and there is still a long and exhausting slog ahead. His wooden delivery of stump speeches -- sometimes offered while staring at his notes -- and some incidents in which he's appeared "confused" -- he referred to Vladimir Putin as the president of Germany -- are vulnerabilities for a 71 year-old candidate. Most people still haven't had a chance to see and hear from these candidates at length this cycle, and while we all decry the fact that people often make political decisions based on the candidates' mannerisms or appearances rather than on the issues, in a race against a cranky, old-looking and somewhat out-of-it McCain, the War of Appearances is likely to be won handily by either of the potential Dem nominees.

The affable and avuncular image McCain's worked so hard to cultivate may also be difficult to maintain as voters focus more attention on the candidate. As Sidney Blumenthal wrote for Salon:

McCain's political colleagues … know another side of the action hero -- a volatile man with a hair-trigger temper, who shouted at Sen. Ted Kennedy on the Senate floor to "shut up," called his fellow Republican senators "shithead," "fucking jerk," "asshole," and joked in 1998 at a Republican fundraiser about the teenage daughter of President Clinton, "Do you know why Chelsea Clinton is so ugly? Because Janet Reno is her father." [In 2006], McCain suddenly rushed up to a friend of mine, a prominent Washington attorney, at a social event, and threatened to beat him up because he represented a client McCain happened to dislike, and then, just as suddenly, profusely and tearfully apologized.
And McCain's problems run far deeper than his irascibility and some gaffes on the stump. His real challenge is that his popularity -- his viability -- rests almost entirely on two narratives that have absolutely no connection with reality: his reputation as a straight-talking "maverick" and a moderate, and his "brave" support for Bush's troop escalation, a policy that's led to the widely-embraced but wholly false idea that "the surge is working."

These narratives have only gone unchallenged thanks to a compliant press; the commercial media are McCain's most dedicated constituents, and he's spent a career fostering that country-before-party image, even while walking in lock-step with Republicans on all but a few over-reported issues.

This means that Democrats are not so much running against McCain, the candidate, as McCain, the myth. The Republican Party will be a serious obstacle for the Democratic nominee, but ultimately election 2008 will be as much a battle to overturn the conventional wisdom as it will be a fight with the senator from Arizona. It should be a source of some encouragement then that the progressive movement, with its blogs, social-networking space and alternative media outlets, is far better prepared to fight and win that kind of battle than it has been at any other time in recent memory.

The Twists and Turns of the "Straight-Talk Express"

McCain's strongest selling point was summed up well by Matt Welch in the L.A. Times last week. "It's no mystery why independents gravitate toward McCain," he wrote. "He's a country-first, party-second kind of guy who speaks bluntly and delights in poking fellow Republicans in the eye on issues such as campaign finance reform and global warming."

The reality is that John McCain is the antithesis of the principled straight-talker. When he was asked in a recent debate whether, as president, he would sign into law the comprehensive immigration reform bill that he's championed for the past three years, he responded: "No, I would not, because we know what the situation is today." Yes, the situation today is that he's running for the Republican nomination.

As journalist and blogger Steve Benen noted, that's only one of a number of measures that McCain has worked hard to pass and is now saying he'd oppose:

  • McCain used to champion the Law of the Sea convention, even volunteering to testify on the treaty's behalf before a Senate committee. Now, if the treaty comes to the Senate floor, he's vowed to vote against it.


  • McCain was a co-sponsor of the DREAM Act, which would grant legal status to illegal immigrants' kids who graduate from high school. In 2007, to make the far-right base happy, he voted against the bill he had taken the lead on.


  • In 2006, McCain sponsored legislation to require grassroots lobbying coalitions to reveal their financial donors. In 2007, after receiving "feedback" on the proposal, McCain told far-right activist groups that he now opposes the measure he'd backed.


  • McCain used to support major campaign-finance reform measures that bore his name. In June 2006, McCain announced his opposition to a major McCain-Feingold provision.


As Benen points out, it's one thing to change one's mind about a piece of legislation, "but these aren't just random bills that McCain voted on -- these are bills that he personally championed -- recently."

That's long been the trend with McCain, who claims that he's spent decades "fighting for the unborn" when stumping in socially conservative states, but has at least tacitly defended Roe V. Wade in the past. He voted against the temporary Bush tax cuts -- saying at the time that the nation has never cut taxes "in a time of war" -- but is now pledging to make them permanent as a central promise of his campaign.

But, ironically, of all the issues that McCain has embraced over the years, it's been his take on the occupation of Iraq that has possibly been the least consistent -- he's "flip-flopped" on various aspects of Bush's Iraq policy dozens of times. The only consistency in his record is that each and every prediction of what would come to pass in Iraq has been proven consistently and terribly wrong.

The Realities of Occupation

McCain has said "that U.S. troops could be in Iraq for 'a thousand years' or 'a million years,' as far as he was concerned," and based much of his pitch for the White House on the fact that he backed the troop "surge" despite the fact that it was highly unpopular at the time.

The problem for McCain is that he's betting his career that the situation in Iraq is as likely to remain as it is or improve as it is to decline. That assumption's problematic, and if the decline in violence proves temporary between now and November, it will only expose the failure of the symbolic troop escalation on which McCain's hung so much of his campaign.

The "surge is working" narrative's not reality-based, and when it comes to Iraq, we've seen the spin give way to the ugly facts time and time again.

That the troop escalation has been anything but a success is not an ideological claim, as supporters of the occupation charge, but numerical and chronological. The surge began last February, and there was something approaching a consensus at the time that the addition of about 20,000 combat troops -- the rest were support personnel -- would be a drop in the bucket in a country of 25 million people. Retired four-star General Barry McCaffrey said at the time: "I personally think the surge of five U.S. Army brigades and a few Marine battalions dribbled out over five months is a fool's errand." But the troop build-up continued in March, April and May.

The period that followed was a bloodbath -- last June and July were the most violent summer months of any year of the occupation. August was one of the bloodiest months, period. Then, that month, the powerful Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr ordered his Mehdi Army to stand down. The number of Iraqi civilian deaths fell by about 50 percent the next month and decreased again in October and November. The militia is estimated to be 100,000 strong and is arguably the most powerful ground force in Iraq after the U.S. military. While the change can't be wholly ascribed to any single factor -- the violence has also decreased as a result of communities that have been fully "cleansed" of one or another ethnic or sectarian group -- it's clear that al-Sadr's order, not Bush's "surge," was responsible for most of whatever "success" there may have been.

Finally, there is the masterpiece of propaganda known as the "Sunni Awakening." Spun as a sign of success, the reality is that the U.S. military turned over some of the areas where they'd encountered the most violent resistance to local Sunni authorities -- many of whom they had condemned as "terrorists" previously -- and started paying their fighters to stop shooting at U.S. troops. In other words, the U.S. was defeated and surrendered territory to the "enemy," effectively paying reparations to local populations and suffering fewer casualties as a result. There are many ways to define success, but defeat and surrender are not among them. Yet, in perfectly Orwellian fashion, after four years of saying that Iraq was mostly stable aside from a few local areas and the Sunni "Triangle of Death," the administration simply stopped using the phrase and replaced it with talk of a "Sunni Awakening." We've always been at war with Eurasia.

The stated goal of the escalation was to "provide space" for political progress that might lead to a lasting and sustainable peace. But there's been no move towards political consensus on any of the Iraqi political class's most divisive issues, not has there been any reconciliation of ethnic and sectarian tensions in the streets.

Dissatisfaction with the Iraqi leadership will continue to increase. Tensions in the South between Shia nationalists and separatists have been on a straight upward line since the Brits pulled back. A growing rift has developed between the national army and U.S.-backed Sunni militias. Mosul has become the latest city to catch fire. The referendum for the future of Kirkuk has been delayed because the question of the oil-rich city's future is too explosive.

Every day, the stress on Moqtada al-Sadr's ceasefire, which is scheduled to expire this month, continues; it's unlikely that it will hold through November. There have already been a number of instances in which Mehdi Army units have gone freelance; if the ceasefire holds, that number will no doubt increase.

Baghdad and the Kurdish regional government are at odds over oil contracts. The country's infrastructure is still in tatters, and there are 4 million displaced Iraqis. If the 2 million or so who are refugees in other countries return, nobody knows what to do with them and inadequate food supplies will be further strained. If they try to return to neighborhoods that have been successfully "cleansed," a new wave of violence will likely ensue. A terrible drought is decimating Iraqi agriculture. Public health officials say that while the cholera epidemic that swept the country last year is under control now, they expect it to return with a vengeance as the temperature rises this summer. I could go on -- Iraq is a disaster of epic proportions, and no amount of spin can conceal that reality indefinitely.

Remember that the troop escalation is scheduled to end in July, three months before Americans go to the polls. At that point, even a docile media is going to have to either report that violence -- and the all-important U.S. casualty rate -- is on the rise again, or they'll be forced to examine the escalation's success or failure in terms of political progress as well as the level of violence. Either storyline shifts the debate significantly (as would a cancellation of the long-planned summer draw-down).

The Politics of Occupation

Unfortunately, even in the midst of a heated election campaign, the Democratic candidates have so far deprived voters of a fair and open debate about one of the most important issues of our time. Both Clinton and Obama have been coy -- dishonest, really -- about their plans for Iraq, claiming, for example, that they will remove "combat troops" but retain some "non-combat" troops for training, counter-terrorism missions and to protect, in Clinton's words "the more than 100,000 Americans civilians who are there, working for the embassy, working for businesses, working for charities."

It's a tragic reflection of our political culture that they can get away with these vagaries on an issue of such great concern to their constituents. The dirty truth is that "non-combat troops" are troops with orders to stay in their bases when the shit hits the fan unless said shit involves our contractors and infrastructure. It's profoundly immoral given the propaganda laid out for staying in-country; it effectively continues the occupation but abandons even the pretense of protecting vulnerable Iraqi civilians.

Both candidates have refused to put a hard number on the amount of "non-combat" troops that would be required for their missions, forcing us to essentially read the tealeaves to glean what they would actually do if elected. Both have proposed missions similar to that laid out in the Center for American Progress' "Strategic Redeployment 2.0" plan (PDF), which calls for about 50,000 troops to fulfill. According to an analysis by historian Stephen Zunes, "most estimates of the numbers of troops needed to carry out [the mission Clinton has described] range between 40,000 and 75,000." NPR reported that senior advisors to Obama have privately said that he would likely retain 50,000 troops in-country. These are exactly the same number of troops that George Bush has tried to lock in by signing a "cooperation agreement" with the Iraqi government his military installed.

This is a grim reality for the "anti-this-war" movement, but it's important to understand that it is the perception that matters, and with an abundance of low-information voters, a candidate who says he or she wants to end the "war" will have a distinct advantage over John "1 Million Years Is Fine By Me" McCain, regardless of his or her sincerity. According to the Jan. 18-22 L.A. Times-Bloomberg Poll (PDF), 66 percent of independents agree with close to 90 percent of Democrats that the U.S. should withdrawal from Iraq within a year.

Match-ups

According to the Washington Post poll cited above, a slim plurality of Democratic primary voters believe Clinton has a better shot at defeating McCain than does Obama, although her lead on that poll question has eroded in recent weeks. A good argument can be made that Clinton, whose team has more experience pushing back against the GOP smear machine than any other, is tougher than Obama, and therefore has a better chance. Clinton's backers also have the highest intensity of support among any of the top three candidates.

Obama's strengths, however, play perfectly against McCain's narratives. His "post-partisan" rhetoric is appealing to a whole generation of new voters -- young people have come out for him in droves in the early primaries -- and he has done extremely well with self-identified independents, the same group that's delivering the nomination to McCain (so far, he's tended to split the partisan GOP vote with Romney and won with the indies).

On Iraq, Obama has the advantage of having opposed the invasion from the beginning, which means that he'd have significantly less difficulty drawing a contrast on the issue with McCain than Clinton, who will have to explain why she voted for the war before she "opposed" it.

Finally, Clinton has the highest "negatives" -- disapproval rating -- of any candidate in the race. Modern American elections are won in large part by turning out "your guys" and keeping your opponents' supporters at home. McCain, despite the grudging acceptance of many Republicans in recent weeks, still has the softest support of any of the three candidates -- fewer than one in four of those voters who back him tell pollsters that they "support him strongly." So, while there would be a lot of people who would want to take part in history and elect the first woman to the Oval Office, there are also going to be voters who don't support McCain, and might stay on their couches against an Obama (whose negatives are very low), but who would be motivated to get to the polls to vote against Clinton. So while most on the right will hold their noses and vote for McCain, it's likely that others -- some anti-immigrant hardliners, some Christianists -- will simply stay home against Obama whereas they may be motivated to beat "Hitlery." That doesn't need to be a very large number in those swing states to make the difference.

Beating McCain

Whoever becomes the eventual Democratic nominee will enjoy a structural advantage over McCain. The Democratic candidates are "crushing" their GOP rivals in terms of fund-raising, there have been record turn-outs in primary after primary on the Democratic side, and there's clearly a burning desire among partisan Dems and many progressives to take out the Republican trash after 8 long years of war and Bushenomics.

All that will mean little, however, if the race is against McCain, the man, as opposed to the media myths he's created. Ultimately, this will be a test of the communication infrastructure progressives have labored to build over the past ten years; we have 8 months to chip away at the twin towers of McCain's candidacy -- his ostensible independent streak and the success of the Bush "surge" that he championed.

That means it's time for some message discipline. McCain is not a "straight-shooter," he's a "Bush Republican" who will say anything to get elected. He has a different message for every crowd. He's a flip-flopper on all the issues that he supposedly bucked his party over in the past.

Branding the troop escalation the "McCain doctrine" -- as John Edwards has done -- ties him to a policy that has a very good chance of going south, visibly and undeniably, before the end of summer.

Moreover, the 'surge is working' narrative itself has to be challenged, forcefully, before Election Day. As blogger Chris Bowers argued recently:
The simple truth is that, starting with the explosion of blogosphere traffic during the invasion of Iraq and with the rise of Howard Dean's presidential campaign in 2003, over the past five years, the rising and declining fortunes of the contemporary manifestation of the progressive movement have been inextricably tied to winning and losing the Iraq debate nationwide. Right now, because we are losing that debate, we are losing pretty much every other fight, too.
As Joe Brewer and Scott Parkinson of the Rockridge Institute suggest, the key to that is reframing the debate from the question of whether the escalation of troops has had an effect, to a simple story of betrayal. America was betrayed by leaders -- like John McCain --who led it into a destructive imperial war and who continue to spin a web of lies and half-truths to maintain the occupation.

The popular "straight-talking" McCain? Bring him on. We have eight months to chip away at a leviathan of spin.

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One Could Say the Same of Hillary, etc...
Posted by: Mister_PsyOps on Feb 4, 2008 1:37 AM   
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"angry, unstable, hypocritical warmonger"

Hmm. I’m certainly no fan of bonkers McCaine but…

Now that Kucinich has withdrawn, that phrase just about describes every candidate for the oval office but for eccentric Ron Paul on the bizarre right and Mike Gravel on the odd left all but forgotten at the MSM carny show.

What Gravel says about Wall Street hatched Dem candidates is not forgotten, however:

http://therealnews.com/web/index.php?thisdataswitch
=0&thisid=777&thisview=item

Before I get peppered sprayed by comments suggesting a Dem could never be "angry, unstable, hypocritical warmonger", please be mindful that Hillary and Obama support endless faux “war on terror” for “peace” that has already cost up to a million lives.

If that kind of stand isn’t a neon sign of instability and hypocritical warmongering, then the words are meaningless.

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» Gravel? Gravel?!? Posted by: dustinblythe
» RE: Gravel? Gravel?!? Posted by: Mister_PsyOps
» RE: Gravel? Gravel?!? Posted by: Joshua Holland
We will not vote for McCain
Posted by: Blink on Feb 4, 2008 3:07 AM   
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It looks like conservatives -- with a few raving-mad, mouth-breathing exceptions -- have gone through denial, anger, bargaining and depression and come finally to accept their insubordinate nominee. Modern conservatives are the philosophical heirs of the monarchists of a previous era; despite months of grumbling, most will, ultimately, rally around the king come November.

Not true. A lot of us "raving-mad, mouth-breathing exceptions" will not rally around McCain. We will never vote for him. We will withhold our vote, caste a protest third-party vote, or will, in a few cases (including my own), vote for Hillary. These are powerful weapons as our vote could otherwise be solidly counted on. We are more than a few, and I assure you, we have well thought-out positions despite your characterization of our being "raving-mad mouth-breathers." One of those well thought-out positions is our opposition to foreigh interventionism, except in cases where national interest is directly affected.

McCain will just bring on more neoCon foreign interventionism, if not outright war. He'll make Bush look like a piker. Funny that you would suggest that it is the reasonable conservatives who will grumble but nevertheless rally around a likely war-monger such as McCain (as though that's the reasonable and admirable thing to do) but disparage as "raving mad mouth-breathers" those conservatives who oppose him. It shows how little the average Leftist really knows or understands conservatives, or really cares to know or understand.

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» RE: reasonable conservatives Posted by: bitsfick
» Where are you getting that? Posted by: Joshua Holland
» RE: So let me get this straight... Posted by: Joshua Holland
» RE: So let me get this straight... Posted by: Joshua Holland
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» RE: So let me get this straight... Posted by: Joshua Holland
» Out of curiosity... Posted by: Blink
» RE: Out of curiosity... Posted by: Joshua Holland
» RE: We will not vote for McCain Posted by: Joshua Holland
» McCain has NOT BETRAYED POWs Posted by: Ripcord
» RE: McCain has NOT BETRAYED POWs Posted by: poppop_schell
» No Posted by: Ripcord
» RE: No Posted by: poppop_schell
» Simple question LtCol: Posted by: Dboy
» speak for yourself Dboy Posted by: Ripcord
» RE: We will not vote for McCain Posted by: penobscotdziekuje@yahoo.com
» Correct. Ron Paul believes in myths. Posted by: ReallyBearish
» you need to remove your blinkers Posted by: rancespergl
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Bring Him On? Josh, You've Got To Be Kidding Me!
Posted by: Tom Degan on Feb 4, 2008 3:49 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
It would seem to me that Joshua Holland (great writer though he undoubtedly is) is making the mistake of overestimating the intellegence of the American people. Seven years ago, during the 2000 primary season, the Republican voters had the opportunity to send John McCain to the White House and rejected him for a corrupt, hideous, incompetant, half-witted piece of shit named George W. Bush.

Believe me, the prospect of a McCain administration does not - in any way, shape or form - fill me with hope. But I think we can all agree that this country would be in a lot better shape today had a President McCain taken the oath of office on January 20, 2001. instead, we got stuck woth the oaf of office (Clever, huh?)

Do you think for one minute that "middle America" will choose Hillary Clinton over John McCain? Think again, campers. The part of FDR seems to have forgotten this teeny weeny, inconveniant truth: The American people can't stand her! The are almost as sick to death of the Clintons as they are of the Bushes. For the who-knows-how-manyth time, the Democrats are about to display their positive genius for taking a bottle of fine, twelve-year-old scotch and turning it into donkey piss.

Memo to the Dems:
Do you want to know why I left your joke of a party almost a decade ago? You people are just dumb enough to give the nomination to Hillary Clinton!

Prove me wrong, Democrats! I'm beggin' ya, prove me wrong!

Tom Degan
Goshen, NY
BARACK OBAMA FOR PRESIDENT

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» For foreverhope Posted by: Tom Degan
» TAKE Him On? YES WE CAN! Posted by: foreverhope
Two words, Keating Five
Posted by: Sushi on Feb 4, 2008 4:44 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Anyone notice in Wikipedia that John McCain's photo went missing for weeks in the Keating Five article? Someone keeps pulling it down.

Anyone notice how the mainstream media will dwell for years on Clinton's Whitewater controversy, but the collapse of the Savings and Loans collapse gets swept under the rug? Nothing to see here, folks... move along and cast your vote on our new, improved images. You are getting sleeeeepy.

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» RE: Two words, Keating Five Posted by: desidid
Americans...use the photo!
Posted by: Knowmad on Feb 4, 2008 4:58 AM   
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One possible, and fun, way to sway voters from supporting this sad little man - both Dems AND Gopers - is to take EVERY opportunity to show the photo of him with bush. You know, the one where he's bear-hugging, maybe even humping, the stupid chimp, while bush looks off in the distance as if mccain's totally irrelevant, waving superciliously to the crowd like some demented Napoleon wannabe.

It's a perfect way to use the power of a visual to demonstrate mccain's blatant hypocrisy and obvious lack of character and judgement.

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Edwards supporters seem to be moving to Obama
Posted by: Chloe2005 on Feb 4, 2008 5:20 AM   
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After watching Michelle Obama at a rally, I will be supporting Obama. To know that this fine strong and articulate woman will be standing beside Obama really gives me hope. Through her eyes I saw another side of Obama and liked what I saw. I think John Edwards would be perfect for Vice President, but Attorney General would give him a more powerful position. They say Obama does not have the experiece so give him a really experienced running mate.

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» RE: Council on Foreign Relations Posted by: poppop_schell
Thank you for speaking truth to power
Posted by: halweiner on Feb 4, 2008 5:36 AM   
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I really love the McCainMyth that being a prisoner of war makes you a military expert. In the old days it just made you a loser who was captured. By the way, did you see the obit of the Brit who died at age 92 last week who escaped time and time again from a prison camp, only to be recaptured? Let's hear it from Sen. McCain about his efforts to do so, which efforts, by the way are REQUIRED by the military.

Meanwhile, Hillary sits on the Senate Armed Services Committee, is privy to all of the real info on Iraq/Afghanistan/Pakistan/Texas axes of evil, and gets no credit because she wears a skirt. Maybe she should trade it for a kilt and a dirk. Braveheart lives!

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Laches
Posted by: Laches on Feb 4, 2008 5:51 AM   
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Don't be too sure about Ronnie McCain, our next warrior, being defeated by the voters. The vacuous crowd across the Country that is mesmerized by the mendaciousness and deceit of right wing squawk radio and especially by Fox News, the boombox for the White House Gang, will likely run off to the polls, waving their flags, and send off to Congress more of their lunatic right winger stooges to represent them and send to the White House still another puppet to do the bidding of the neocon plutocrats controlling the munitions, oil and drug industries. After all, it was this crowd that burdened us with Bush II, proving that the Southern Strategy is alive and well.

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» RE: taking back the country Posted by: EdinIowa
The Surrender is Working
Posted by: Joshua Holland on Feb 4, 2008 6:01 AM   
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CS Monitor:

"We are an independent state; no police or army is allowed to come in," proclaims Khalid Jamal al-Qaisi, deputy leader of the US military-backed and predominantly Sunni Arab militia in charge of security in the old Baghdad neighborhood of Al-Fadhil.

"Qaisi says his men could have prevented Friday's bombings. He says the attacks only bolster his conviction that Iraq's security forces, both Army and police, are infiltrated by militias and insurgents and riddled with sectarian biases. He says his men do not recognize the authority of Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki and won't join the security forces under such conditions. Some neighborhood guards, called Concerned Local Citizens are slated to join the Army and police.

"The bird bazaar in Baghdad Jadida is across the highway from the main market, which is ringed with large blast walls separated by openings where members of the Mahdi Army, the militia of Shiite cleric Moqtada al-Sadr, search all entrants. The militia has emerged as the dominant force in the now mainly Shiite neighborhood.

"The national police, assailed in the past for being infiltrated by Shiite militias, mans an observation tower and a checkpoint nearby.

"Back at Al-Fadhil, Qaisi is saluted with great deference by residents and shopkeepers. Graffiti praises Saddam Hussein and calls the guards "heroes and lions."

"Qaisi proudly recounts how his men repelled government and US forces over the years. He blames the brutality toward Shiites in Al-Fadhil as well as their forced displacement on three Al Qaeda linked militants who, he said, have since been killed or arrested.

"The Americans asked to be our friends because we were the winners," he says, adding that the agreement he has with US forces precludes Iraqi forces from entering. No government forces can be seen. Qaisi's guards check every vehicle and person entering Kifah Street."

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Tie McCain to the war
Posted by: surfreality on Feb 4, 2008 6:12 AM   
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Even though there is a perception that the surge is an American success, the war in Iraq is massively unpopular. Folks are fed up.
Even if you cede the idea that the surge is "working" in Iraq it is still a strategic blunder in terms of the over all war on terror; Afghanistan and Pakistan are disintegrating. The Taliban and Al Qaeda control more real estate now than they did in 2002. We took our eyes off the ball in Afghanistan to build a gas station in Iraq. The surge is but another piece of that failed strategy. Bush and the republican congress have snatched an Afghan victory out of the jaws of defeat and McCain is an avid supporter of that failed process. Result? Civil wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and an imploding Pakistan.
Had we secured Afghanistan and invested in it's infrastructure and economy, Bhutto may very well still be alive and Osama dead. Unfortunately, Bush and Cheney felt that a gas station was way more important. Evidently, so McCain feels the same way. Tie him to this failed strategy.

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A Pathetic Man
Posted by: ronheri on Feb 4, 2008 6:16 AM   
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Mr. McCain, despite his war record in the debacle of Vietnam would be a disaster. Constant wars? Sponsered the amnesty bill for illegal immagrints. Admits he's not up on Economics. You've got to be kidding me. Of all these Council on Foreign Relations darlings (all of them that are left on both sides); he and Hillary would be my last picks. If Ron Paul is not available, I will not vote.

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» RE: A Pathetic Man Posted by: Bibsi
time for some message discipline - right on!
Posted by: counterpoint on Feb 4, 2008 6:32 AM   
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Christopher Lydon, an intelligent radio host on Boston's NPR station WBUR, used to prompt his overly eloquent guests:
"Give me the bumper sticker!"
I'm grateful that the tactic of creating memorable tags that bring some nasty reality into focus is actively pursued. The Rockridge Institute can have a major impact here. But it really does require message discipline as only the constant repetition of a few key points (let's call them 'truthful defamations') will have a chance to stick.
Let's have a focus group tested, prioritized list and make sure that those tags are included in every single letter to the editor, interview, talk show segment, op-ed, and commercial. If The Big Lie can work through endless repetition, so can the plain truth on McCain, the man.

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time for some message discipline - right on!
Posted by: counterpoint on Feb 4, 2008 6:32 AM   
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Christopher Lydon, an intelligent radio host on Boston's NPR station WBUR, used to prompt his overly eloquent guests:
"Give me the bumper sticker!"
I'm grateful that the tactic of creating memorable tags that bring some nasty reality into focus is actively pursued. The Rockridge Institute can have a major impact here. But it really does require message discipline as only the constant repetition of a few key points (let's call them 'truthful defamations') will have a chance to stick.
Let's have a focus group tested, prioritized list and make sure that those tags are included in every single letter to the editor, interview, talk show segment, op-ed, and commercial. If The Big Lie can work through endless repetition, so can the plain truth on McCain, the man.

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Publicly separating themselves
Posted by: lamar on Feb 4, 2008 6:43 AM   
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The country emphatically rejected the neocon politics of god+war (Coulter, Savage, Hannity, et al). John McCain is more moderate in some areas, but he is still a true GOPer. If he is going to have any chance, he can't smell like Coulter and Savage because America has resoundingly rejected their brand of conservatism. The neocons have to publicly reject McCain before middle America can accept him. It's a dog and pony show.

Nobody on the neocon right will ever vote for Hillary for any reason ever.

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» You're kidding, right? Posted by: Cooltruth
This is assuming the election isn't simply fixed by Diebold
Posted by: Jasonix on Feb 4, 2008 7:05 AM   
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It's unlikely that either Romney or McCain could pull off a victory, since both are hated by the Religious Right. Romney's a Moron, and McCain is a liberal Protestant (Episcopalian) who characterized the Religious Right as "agents of intolerance" and passed a campaign finance reform law that the anti-abortion movement considers to be a handicap to its cause. In truth, I think McCain is just an opportunist who thought that being less-conservative was the way to go in 2000, but who now will gladly toe the Repug party line to get the support of the money men. But the Repugs have painted themselves into a corner; they've tarred McCain as a traitor, so if they back him, they'll lose credibility. It's unlikely that McCain will bring out the hordes of evangelical Christians that the Repugs rely upon.

The most important thing is making sure that the election isn't rigged.

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ALL DEMOCRATS SHOULD PRAY THAT MCCAIN IS THE....
Posted by: poppop_schell on Feb 4, 2008 7:27 AM   
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GOP nominee. With him at th head of the GOP ticket, not only will the Democrats have the Presidency but will have make pickups in the House and Senate. IMO, Mc Cain will dstroy the GOP in 2008.

Now that said, there may be a bokered convention. IF Ron Paul gets the nomination, the Democrats will lose the Whitehouse and in 2010, the Senate and House will return to power but with strict Constitutionalists in control.

ronpaul2008.com

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Nonney
Posted by: nonney on Feb 4, 2008 7:30 AM   
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If Mccain wins the domination, he will win the presidency, for obviously we are not picking our presidents. Again, it is florida that was the deciding ground; gee, go figure. The powers that be are picking this man as he wants the war, the draft,and the policies of the present administration, and so he will be the next president, unless America wakes up to how we are being given the biggest 'blow job' ever. Nato just approved that nuclear strikes may be initiated against any countries that 'pose a nuclear threat'.......so, welcome a war against Iran, the use of nukes, and the draft of our kids, which is one of John Mccains biggest desires. He has said so many times. War profiteering is the major reason we are in this mess, and watch who is picked for vice-president, for they will be taking over Mccains role rather quickly. I do not think the ruling class, the 'have and have mores' as Bush put it, will allow Mccain to remain president for long......they are merely using him as a doorway. He is not a bad man, but is a tool for the ones who are governing , and not just in America. Prepare, for the draft, nuclear war, economic crash, and wow, who needs more negatives than that?

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Terrorist
Posted by: HeKnew on Feb 4, 2008 7:36 AM   
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The GOP controls about 90% of everything that's important in Washington DC right now and you think they're going to let a little thing like democracy trip them up?

Be expecting an October Surprise of biblical dimensions.

Government of the people, by the people and for the people.

Direct Democracy

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McCain will not win, even against Hillary
Posted by: Iconoclast421 on Feb 4, 2008 7:47 AM   
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I've been predicting Hillary vs McCain for almost 2 years now. Just google Hillarain vs McCainary. I can tell you that McCain has dug himself a hole too deep, even for the pliant over-entertained masses. Between his rants against nation building, and the "bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb Iran" song, its just too much to overcome. Not to mention he admits he doesnt know anything about the economy. The economy has only just begun to become the big factor of '08, and by the end of '08 you can be assured that it will be and even larger factor. Too bad people are still not realizing that Hillary dont know anything about the economy either! "Hillary and Bill will turn the economy around like they did last time!"

Also, enough people are dumb enough to think that Hillary is going to end the war and give them healthcare. HA! Good luck with that too!

McCain makes a total flip-flopping mockery of himself. And its all on youtube! Ironically, thanks to ron paul supporters.

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I dont think any republican stands a chance.
Posted by: yale on Feb 4, 2008 7:49 AM   
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Republicans have totally exploited, and abused their political powers. By listening to what they are telling us now, they havent changed a damn bit. Bush and co. has an all time low rate of what the media claims to be low 30s or high 20s. Of course this is inflated, the non bs news is telling us its more like 9% wich is more accurate. With the war, the religous whackos, the gay sex scandals, and all the big money scandals, the party is looking pretty sick. When many republicans are ashamed of their own party, how can the auther claim Mcain is going to be hard to beat?

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» I wouldn't get cocky Posted by: Joshua Holland
CRAZY DOESN'T MATTER
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Feb 4, 2008 8:15 AM   
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Bush was nuts with a highly questionable backgrounds when he ran for president,that didn't stop people from voting for him. I don't know who can end the War in Iraq. But McCain wants it to go on. His temper and outbursts are too Bushlike. McCain has watched it work for Bush for 7 years. He won't be challenged. We can't have another overgrown brat for our president. We need an adult. This is not a maverick! Thanks, ANNA

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Joshua, you forget about Iran
Posted by: johnclark on Feb 4, 2008 8:23 AM   
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My greatest fear coming into the general election is an escalation of the war into Iran. While many of us felt relieved after the intelligence report, the fact remains that the government in Israel is teetering on collapse. The threat of a Likud government or coalition with Likud grows daily.

Kyl-Lieberman (co-chairs of Committee on the Present Dangercomes into play here. An Israeli strike on Iran is a real possibility before November. A McCain/Lieberman ticket and an escalated war in the Middle East will be hard to beat with members of the Democratic Leadership Council on both tickets.

Hope you bother to read this, I'm only trying to help and not attack you Joshua.
-John Clark

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Unfortunately McCain will win
Posted by: Ydotheyhateus on Feb 4, 2008 8:41 AM   
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Most male members of my progressive jewish/liberal catholic family will be voting for McCain. And this coming from a New England liberal family.

Here are reasons:
1. He is pro-abortion
2. He is pro campaign finance reform
3. He is a striaght shooter.
4. He is really a liberal

Hard to fight against this media created myth about McCain.

So if it McCain v. Obama/Clinton, McCain will win.

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» OBAMA WILL ROCK MCCAIN'S WORLD!! Posted by: foreverhope
McCain is who he is but let's talk, shall we?
Posted by: warrior woman on Feb 4, 2008 8:56 AM   
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He's old, curmudgeony, had cancer, whatever. Let's say that Obama wins the endorsement over Hillary. One argument put forth today is that Obama doesn't have the experience that it takes to be a world leader, President of the United States. Oookay.

Who has had that experience in our recent past? Did John Kennedy? George Bush? Another media ploy. In addition, I would put some serious money on the polls being inaccurate. Obama is drawing big, big crowds. He's getting some serious endorsments. But critically, does he have the super-delegates? Hillary leads in this realm. She can't beat McCain? Obama can't beat McCain? THe Republican's own the spin machines.

It's really quite plain and simple.

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Walk a crooked mile
Posted by: willymack on Feb 4, 2008 9:18 AM   
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Forget the "republican" party. It doesn't exist in any recognizable form any more, as it's been replaced by criminals masquerading as advocates of our people, but who, in reality, are nothing but stooges for corporate interests. Forget the "free press"; it's been bought and paid for by those same corporate interests, and will say anything obfuscate anything, or omit anything it's told to. Forget free and fair "elections". Those went out the window when the American people allowed criminals to get away with the fraud in 2000, and then in 2004. So, what did we get fom all this? A hideous parody of a human being as our Head of State, whose every move and utterance are controlled by a shadow "government", a phony war in Iraq, a phony war on terror, a phony economy, and a phony "congress", lined up to kiss the asses of corporate moghuls. This can only end one way, folks. If we, the people don't initiate and control that end, then look for a lot of suffering and heartache.

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McCain tries some jokes; America averts eyes in embarrassment
Posted by: Joshua Holland on Feb 4, 2008 9:19 AM   
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Ugh.

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John McPain is a War Criminal.
Posted by: williameon on Feb 4, 2008 9:45 AM   
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John McPain rained Pain down from the skies over Viet Nam in another phony War.
Agent Orange, Napalm and Bombs killed
Millions of innocent civilians!
Same WAR, same Place, same Channel.
The WAR Channel.
Are we done with that yet?
WAR profiteering.
The American people unwittingly commit these crimes and also pay for them with their own blood and money! Big tough Neo-cons,
Dead Eye, Wolfablitz, the Shrub and McPain.
Old slithering Reptiles spewing Vicious,
Fascist, Dogma.
The media controls the debate while Skirting
War or PEACE.
WAR is Evil.
Sure the Faux Media howls in a crescendo of lies. A multitude of talking heads regurgitate in unison the same vile garbage.
Repressive, repetitive, hypnotic conditioning.
The issue really is?
It’s U.S. or Corpirate Greed.
Greed and poverty or Liberty, Freedom and Prosperity.
Let's free ourselves here at home from this hypocrisy.
Let our friends and neighbors determine the direction of their own lives.
How do we rid of these greedy Corpirate parasites?
Just stop buying their crap and shut off the
FauXXX News.
Divest from the Schlock Market by investing in yourself and your community.
Become self reliant and self sufficient for tough times are ahead.
Kick them where it hurts:In the wallet
Regulate and break up the media monopolies.
One outlet in one market and no foreign interests.
Stop the destruction of the environment.
Sweep out every last vestige of
The Bush Abomination out of office.
In with a new, kinder, gentler Government.
Updated and purged of all criminal elements.
Then the accounting will be done.
Amnesty for anyone who comes clean.
The rest of their evil secrets revealed.
Sure it will take a fight and a lot of work.
We are already destitute and heavily in debt.
What have we got to loose?
Life in Bushingham!
Remove The Federal Reserve.
Ostracize them and their falling Dollar.
We will issue new currency.
The United States Note backed by Gold and Silver reserves.
When the truth is know,
It will set us free.

Cooperation, Helpfulness, Patience, Brotherly love, Peacefulness and true Compassion
These are the positive ideals that will help rebuild our country.
Here are some positive progressive goals:

End the War and bring our Militia Home.
Disband the Dark Army and close Gitmo
Outlaw all torture and domestic spying.
Restore the balance of power by
Ending corporate influence in Washington.
Stop the revolving door.
Separate Church and State.
Stop subsidizing Religious Interests by
Closing loop holes and ending Tax breaks.
Uphold:
The Constitution and Bill of Rights.
This is the foundation that our Republic was founded upon.
End Corporate welfare.
Return all broken voting machines, demand a refund and prosecute any criminal acts.
Stop voter caging.
Shut down the C.I A., F.B.I and N.S.A.
Begin the re-industrialization of the United States by producing goods, energy and organic foods at point of consumption.
Reinstate any pollution laws rescinded by Bush reinstate
Clean air and Pure water are basic human rights.
Make room for a Global warming expert in President’s Cabinet.
Provide single payer Health Care for all.
Fund wind and solar green energy production.
Conserve energy and resources by mandating:
Higher energy efficiency standards for vehicles, homes and building renovations.
Freeze new coal plant construction.
A livable minimum wage.
Get her done!

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» RE: John McPain is a War Criminal. Posted by: penobscotdziekuje@yahoo.com
Why so down on McCain?
Posted by: BJT on Feb 4, 2008 10:01 AM   
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He's just a little less pro-war than Barack Obama.

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"Maverick" ??!!
Posted by: Crazy H on Feb 4, 2008 10:44 AM   
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McCain's been polishing his 'maverick' image forever. The funny thing is that the only people who bought that schtick are the ones who hate mavericks. (i.e. the repug 'base')

The rest of us know he's a far-right, lockstep, mainline, GOP-to-the-core, Bushie-wanna-be.

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I saw him speak, not impressed.
Posted by: Steve_in_NH on Feb 4, 2008 11:02 AM   
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I attended a "town hall" meeting in Nashua NH at the VFW. Everyone there spent most of the hour fawning over his war record.

There were no substantive questions asked. But in his opening remarks, he promised to veto any bill that crossed his desk with pork barrel spending. Read - I will not approve any social programs.

He repeatedly said he would rebuild the military. Read - anything the pentagon wants I'll give them.

He did not give any indication that he would even attempt to balance the budget.

In other words, look for him to try to channel Reagan.

Thanks, but no thanks.

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Spin Out
Posted by: penobscotdziekuje@yahoo.com on Feb 4, 2008 11:29 AM   
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Meet the man, the myth, that old man John McCain. He rushes about the Republic, to run on his past as a "war hero" and a man who will probably give us more Bush.
Can we remember during that photo-op in Baghdad, while shopping in the Green Zone wearing a bulletproof vest and telling the world Baghdad is a safe place to shop-yes, if you have the army behind you. What an idiot!
So is the best candidate the R's can offer us? He looks scary: If he were a Halloween costume he'll be the Grim Reaper! He has presented no domestic campaign to speak of, literally, and it'll be a sheer delight to watch him spin out of control of his own making.
The best thing for him to do is simply quit and retire to the bleak Arizona desert.

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» RE: Spin Out Posted by: Bibsi
John McCain: The Senator Most Likely to Start a Nuclear War
Posted by: fanny666 on Feb 4, 2008 1:00 PM   
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We should vote for Obama because the right hates Hillary?
Posted by: jbowen43 on Feb 4, 2008 2:59 PM   
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Apparently the logic to vote for Obama is that since Senator Clinton inspires hate in republicans she can't win so we should let the right wing tell us who to vote for.

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» "They" Posted by: Joshua Holland
» RE: "They" Posted by: Bibsi
McCain Will Pull In the Jesus Freaks and Go After Women and Gays, Of Course, He will Be President!
Posted by: sofla100 on Feb 4, 2008 3:12 PM   
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Look, it's all about the spin machine, FOX news, and the media conglomerates that provide America with most of her news. If GW Bush can be President; that is, someone who is not very bright, started a foolish war and wrecked the American economy, then McCain can and will be President. McCain has already said he will deliver by keeping Bushes tax cuts, and he promises billions more for defense and "national security." Sure, he will start a new arms race by expanding NATO into Moscow's suburbs; but, he will be damn good for the defense industry, and the trillions they potentially can make in a new cold war. McCain is not yet appetizing to the Jesus Freaks, but, he is bound to make "overtures" to them before the election, with new promises to stop women's right to choose, immigrant and gay bashing. So, can and will McCain be President, you betcha. And, even if he cannot win the general election like Bush in 2000, you betcha he can and will be President, the die is already cast my friends.

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Good bye McPain Hello Liberwhore.
Posted by: williameon on Feb 4, 2008 3:09 PM   
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If McPain is Saddled with Liberwhore as V.P.
He's a goner.
Good bye McPain!
Hello Liberwhore.
First we had tricky Dicky.
(I'm not a Crook!)
Then we got Bed time for dBonzo.
Then the Shrub!
Now it's
Prune Face and
Howdy Doody.
It's a BushZarro Land Sunday morning opera.
It has happened before and it could happen again.
Everyone else retires.
These Zombies just keep on coming.
Night of the Reptilians living DEAD......

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A word to the wise..!
Posted by: TJ-stars4peace on Feb 4, 2008 4:44 PM   
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Isn't that what we have for president right now..

Never underestimate the stupidity of the American voter..!

America had a chance to nominate John Edwards, but no we went to la la land..!

The most important thing is to elect a super majority of Democrats to the Senate over 61 to offset President McCain and pull him to the center and act with moderation..

I do not think Obama will beat McCain only a Clinton/Obama ticket may do it but there's little chance of that..

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Please folks
Posted by: pkricker on Feb 4, 2008 7:02 PM   
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Please Folks, let's not forget that these people lie, cheat and steal elections. Just because they field a candidate who is not viable is not a reason to dismiss the chance that another Republican nut case will wind up in the White House. They put George W. Bush in there not once but twice. They have no shame and no sense of decency and the American public just laps it up. Hope for the best but keep your powder dry.

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» RE: keep your powder dry? Posted by: Bibsi
Yeah, like any of it matters.
Posted by: piggy on Feb 5, 2008 12:12 AM   
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McCain/Obama/Hillary? What is the difference? The neocon/neoliberal cabal owns the show and all of the above work for them.

Once Kucinich was marginalized it didn't matter any more.

If the writer can get excited by any of these "choices", good luck to him. But it isn't real.

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Questions for McCain or any candidate that favors war war war
Posted by: foreverhope on Feb 5, 2008 12:46 PM   
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The U.S.A. simply CANNOT continue the current level of aggression and/or long-term occupation of Iraq, there are not enough soldiers. There were NEVER enough soldiers, NOT when the war BEGAN, NOT now. It was a serious problem from the very beginning.

Generals that attempted to convince GWB/CHENEY of this disagreeable fact were forced out one way or another, and replaced with someone more agreeable.

So, HOW will the next president, whomever that is and God help us all, how will he/she find enough new soldiers to replace the many many soldiers returning that have already made great sacrifices and can do no more?

AND what will the new president do to improve care for our veterans, ESPECIALLY soldiers returning from combat in Afghanistan and Iraq??

AND, how will he/she (WE) pay for it???

A GREAT many of these returning soldiers are emotionally and mentally exhausted, homeless, in shock, and commiting suicide in great numbers. It is really shameful and heartbreaking IMO, their circumstances are DEPLORABLE.

These are questions that should be answered by anyone that refuses to set the dreaded 'time table for withdrawal'? I sure don't hear anything about this at any of the debates or anyplace else from either party.

Poor kids, doesn't seem as if very many people are interested in their circumstances. They are almost invisable. Exactly how WILL McCain or Mitt, or anyone else vague on withdrawal from Iraq, find (or extract) enough new bodies (CANNON FODDER) to feed their wretched war machine, AND take care of our veterans????

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He is to frigging old!
Posted by: foreverhope on Feb 5, 2008 1:04 PM   
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he referred to Vladimir Putin as the president of Germany -- are vulnerabilities for a 71 year-old candidate.

He IS, and I don't care what anyone says to the contrary! for gosh sakes, in five years he will be 76, he could be EIGHTY before he leaves office!!

Does anyone remember Reagan already had alzheimers BEFORE he left office? His aids couldn't let him give an interview, he was so confused they didn't know what would come out of his mouth. Pretty scary then, even scarier now.

Besides if I have to listen to McCain drone on and on and on and on and on.... for four or eight years I will be crazier then I am already. The condescending smile on Mitt's face would be almost as painful.

So would be Hill and Bill back in the White House, hence I am enthusiastically voting OBAMA FOR REAL CHANGE.

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poppop_schell, do you have Ron Paul bedsheets?
Posted by: data23 on Feb 5, 2008 7:20 PM   
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just wondering.

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Yer whistling past the graveyard, Joshua
Posted by: someonesomewhere on Feb 5, 2008 10:38 PM   
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Since when have the American public paid any attention to the reality of the person running for office? We live in a propaganda state. The population is continually and continuously prevented from thinking about anything in any depth and has long been trained to accept whatever is presented by the media as the way things are.

John McCain is the PERFECT presidential candidate for America. Perfect for the situation in which America finds itself domestically and in the world at large.

Americans made their anti-war protest vote 18 months ago. The news media are no longer focusing on Iraq, so it is no longer an issue. In case you hadn't noticed, once again "it's the economy, stupid".

America has been scared for 6 years, is scared now, is going to be more scared come November, and the less than 50% who vote are not going to be in a "forging ahead, bold new chapter" kind of mood. They are going to stick with what they know. Neither Barack Obama nor Hillary Clinton fit the mould. John McCain is cast from that mould, and those Americans who vote will pick him. There are a lot of chickens flying towards home right now, and John McCain is the man who should be in charge when they come to roost.

Unless something really amazing happens, and Barack Obama wins the Democratic nomination, isn't fatally wounded in the process, survives whatever "swift boat" attack(s) is/are in the offing, accepts ownership BY the corporations which control the media, and has some brilliantly stirring oratory that somehow convinces a whole bunch of (voting) Americans that he's not black, and actually gets elected President.

But he won't.

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Go ahead, keep voting republican, you, your kids, and grandkids will all die poor and enslaved!
Posted by: yale on Feb 6, 2008 5:53 AM   
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The GOP is so far out of touch now with the constitution and the basic needs of our democracy, that anyone concidering to vote that way needs to stand back and open their eyes. The tax thing they all like to rave about is just a way to stop funding our infrastructure. The wealthy will be living inside gaurded compounds, while the rest of us will be in a third world style jungle. Its already happening. Ron Paul isnt the answer, as he cannot be trusted by means of the party he supports.

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The future is past. We have already won.
Posted by: W.O.F. on Feb 6, 2008 6:26 PM   
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Gentlemen and respected members of this august body, may I offer up thanks to our concerted efforts over these past few years. Last night's primary vote totals show that our efforts to split and nullify the GOP have been proven successful.

While many Republicans turn out in mediocre numbers the base of their party have taken the bait. Our Dixie Land associates have successfully fed enough of our carefully crafted misinformation into the churches and clan halls of the south to push Our McCain into the lead throughout the nation.

As planned the Southern Evangelical voters have hoisted their champion, Huckabee, high upon their shoulders to proclaim their hate filled rhetoric and doctrines in a number of southern states. They have taken votes away from their only real conservative in this race and have separated themselves from the rest of the Republican voting block that is voting for a left leaning Republicrat we have dressed up as a war hawk.

The Kansas hate churches have separated the more intelligent factions of the GOP from the evangelicals and continue to spread the anti Romney message throughout multiple denominations and mega churches and luckily for us, all this they have done on their own. Ironically it seems that their hateful version of deity has punished their own voters in Arkansas and Tennessee with powerful tornados and storms for their voting last night.

The Our Giuliani Camp has successfully pushed forth legislation creating winner take all delegations for state primary elections. We knew Romney and Huckabee could not garnish enough votes to win major states so the winner take all delegation campaign has worked in our favor. Little do they know that by doing so they are moving more toward Democracy and less toward their beloved Republic ideals they so proudly tout.

Soon our efforts to separate the more independent and rational sectors of the GOP from the dregs of their fickle society will prove successful. We have increased the production of more yellow ribbon stickers and flags to be sold at the convenience stores throughout the South. We have even contracted another country music artist to record an emotional country song to amp up the fanatical patriots in their trailer parks. If the Republicans can consider bottom of the barrel their base, then this is all they will have left once this project is completed.

John McCain will most certainly obtain the nomination. Our money and influence will pay out in November. In the interim let us continue to make our calls into the talk radio and provide the wedge to split the party. The pundits can work for us in our favor. Let us continue to frame the "Liberals" of the Republican Party as a cancer that must be cut off.

Gentlemen I forecast the fracture of the GOP within 12 months. They cannot withstand the force of their own hate machine. Their guns of hate have been pointed at their own heads for the last 8 years. We have supplied the ammunition. All we have now to do is wait, while they dismember themselves in efforts to purify the Party of God.

While Democrats line up in record numbers trying to decide which candidate is the greatest the Republicans are lining up and voting for the Democrat we installed years ago. Eerily we have the neo-cons and Karl Rove's minions to thank for this. We will continue to press forward in this fight and remember. The future is now in our hands. We have been given this opportunity by ones that opposed us for so long. Let us never forget our vision. The future is past. We have already won.



Sincerely,

W.O.F.

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» The future Posted by: foreverhope
If you were forced to choose Bush or McCain?
Posted by: ConcernedRepublican on Feb 8, 2008 8:28 AM   
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Bush spoke to a boisterous crowd shortly after 7 a.m. EST. The ballroom erupted in cheers when someone shouted "Are there conservatives in the house?" When the president walked on stage, they clapped and chanted "Four more years! Four more years!"...sounds awfully familiar, kind of like the same rhetoric right before we elected George W. for his second term... that led us into the recession we are now facing.. OBAMA 2008!!!

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how about this
Posted by: happyhermit on Feb 8, 2008 11:26 AM   
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just ask the IRAQIS if the surge is working.

"More Iraqis say security in their local area has gotten worse in the last six months than say it's gotten better, 31 percent to 24 percent, with the rest reporting no change. Far more, six in 10, say security in the country overall has worsened since the surge began, while just one in 10 sees improvement."

no


everyone should be disseminating this!

also, what the fuck:

Insane

SPREAD THIS AROUND!

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MY HERO?
Posted by: outrider on Feb 8, 2008 8:24 PM   
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During the 2004 Presidential election there was much talk about war heros. Kerry was swifted boated. During the demonizing of Kerry there were reports that both Kerry and McCain had done that which was necessary to have their military records sealed.

Sen. McCain's hero status has always been a mystery. My WW1 and WW2 heroes were the aces, those who shot down enemy aircraft, not the ones who hac the bad luch to be shot down. Being captured by the enemy and spending time in prison camps, being tortured perhaps, are worthy of sympathy for the victim but that is not the stuff of which heros are made. If being shot down and/or captured and imprisoned for the duration makes one a hero there are hundreds who meet those conditions who have not been honored for their misfortune.

Medals given to those who did not earn them cheapen the medals of those who did.

His campaign has not been emphasizing the hero role of late. Could it be that he is not the hero he has been held out to be?

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McCain's record
Posted by: davescott on Feb 9, 2008 11:35 AM   
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"Moderate" John McCain has a career 25 percent score on the League of Conservation Voter's score of Senate votes. Which is lousy. He is a moderate in name only.

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Check it out
Posted by: Democritus on Feb 9, 2008 12:15 PM   
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Those who think that McCain is a moderate need only look up his biography on Wikipedia. McCain would be Bush on steroids.

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YES WE CAN!
Posted by: foreverhope on Feb 10, 2008 8:12 PM   
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My vote is not decided on policy issues. It is decided by a candidate's overall perspective on problem-solving.

Hillary's problem-solving was exemplified by how she managed to deprive America of a comprehensive health care program while First Lady: arrogance, exclusion and vilification of the opposition.

Sen. Obama's problem-solving is exemplified by how he's running his own campaign: civility, inclusion and cooperation.

HOW a politician makes their policy decisions is even MORE important to me than the petty details of those choices.

Can you get people working together to find new and innovative solutions to America's problems?

Or do you think you know everything and no one else knows anything at all and so you're so deeply entrenched in your way that NOTHING can get done?

(How you solve the problems in your own life probably leans one of those ways or the other and very likely matches up PRECISELY with your candidate of choice.)

I think that most reasonable people would agree that Sen. Obama's attractiveness to the American voter is more than ANYTHING else founded on his willingness to reach out to the "opposition".

And that's a much better way to solve America's ENORMOUS problems!

We made those problems in our divided thinking. We need to solve them as a unity.

And so, at least or me, it's not so much about Obama, HIMSELF, as it is about his message. He's what America WANTS to be.

Regarding experience? Prior to being elected the 16th president, Abe Lincoln had been a one-term (2-year) U.S. congressman from Illinois. This should be evidence enough to prove that 'experience' doesn't mean squat.

In Seattle WA, Obama packed the Key Arena with 18,000 energetic supporters. There have not been that many people in Key Arena since Michale Jordon and the Bulls played the Seattle SuperSonics back in 1996.

I think that there are only so many times that Clinton can pull herself up and try to fend off the tidal wave that keeps on coming for Barack Obama.

The guy just keeps on packing them in. Hillary was in Seattle on Thursday and drew 5,000 - but Obama drew 21,000 in the same town at virtually the same time.

Of course, he's got to do a better job of translating these huge throngs from rallies to the polls. But I think that we are really witnessing a very special sort of fellow who may come along in politics only once every generation of two.

YES WE CAN SAY NO TO 100 MORE YEARS, VOTE OBAMA '08 FOR REAL CHANGE

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if president, there's a good chance
Posted by: mikerol69 on Feb 10, 2008 9:39 PM   
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that mccain will suffer an apoplectic mental event, and then we might have huckabee as president, and that might make for a lot of laughs. however, if mccain lasts the first year, we might imagine the kind of escalation in waziristan that this happy warrior - his head is filled with dominoes, he learned nothing from vietnam - will bring. the mil-ind complex is sure to support his candidacy to the hilt, and who knows what serious tricks the current administration will pull to support him. i fear the worst; one chance would be to get him to implode during a debate... but he cultivates that "cordial" facade with Hilary, and no doubt would with Obama.

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