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Posted by: NoPCZone on Jan 30, 2008 1:58 AM
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"his eyes bulge out of his fat, blood-flushed head; his neck spills out of his too-tight shirt collar; and he generally looks like Jabba the Hutt, his suit bursting at the seams, with only the bowl of snackable live toads suspended at arm's length missing from the picture."
Priceless
Maybe Obama fever and Hillaryitis will run their course and we can actually choose a real progressive this time. A brokered convention would be a great gift to our country. I could vote for Edwards even though he's not my first choice. I'm actually hoping/praying for none of the above to get a first ballot nomination.
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Posted by: herbal on Jan 30, 2008 3:42 AM
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See Hillary Clinton speak for herself here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvuzMWcz0kU
Then see the company she keeps with Rev, Hagee of Christian Zionist cult here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exdsB5D1r7Y
She advocates nuclear war against Iran and has never repudiated war in any form.
And Obama. He's for nuclear power; the generators for U-238.
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Posted by: gazooks on Jan 30, 2008 4:43 AM
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Dick Nixon's extensive support for civil rights legislation far exceeds Hill's high profile, lip service advocacy to those guaranteed death by Congressional reality causes of the 90's.
As presidential comparatives go, Nixon couldn't compete with Hill's back stabbing killer instinct, young Cheney's input notwithstanding.
As lessor evils go, Barrak is unquestionably the more of less.
Maybe he just needs a new speech writer, ... Matt.
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Posted by: JohnOsborneNY on Jan 30, 2008 4:45 AM
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Posted by: carbon-based on Jan 30, 2008 5:18 AM
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If Hillary had a fraction of the foreign policy skills Nixon had I might vote for her.
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Posted by: Jeffrey Levy on Jan 30, 2008 5:18 AM
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No one should care what Hilary Clinton says about the press and no one with any self-respect should be writing articles about this non-subject.
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Posted by: TarryFaster on Jan 30, 2008 6:38 AM
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Posted by: elgeck0 on Jan 30, 2008 7:23 AM
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Posted by: ScottP on Jan 30, 2008 9:40 AM
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And now we have Clinton and Obama, both with records of voting for more funding for the genocide in Iraq. Once in a while they issue a protest vote against it, but before the money runs out they make sure it gets replenished so the killing can go on. And so you have been warned, a vote for either is a vote to continue the war profiteering genocide.
They're both lying Nixons.
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Posted by: lynmarenjensen on Jan 30, 2008 11:00 AM
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Posted by: willymack on Jan 30, 2008 11:42 AM
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Posted by: Contessa1201 on Jan 30, 2008 12:07 PM
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Posted by: YellowdogD on Jan 30, 2008 12:14 PM
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You seem to have fallen prey to Obamamania. The guy is smart and speaks brilliantly, but doesn't offer much substance nor a real track record of much import. What does he actually stand for, and when will the press stop fawning all over him and really examine his record? It ain't much, and he sure as hell was pandering to Repubicans when he mused about Reagan. I heard the comment and his later explanation of it was utter B.S.
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Posted by: arieden on Jan 30, 2008 12:28 PM
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Hillary Clinton is a politician and she is certainly not perfect - but she is no worse than any of the other candidates and yet look at the outrageous media coverage that no other candidate gets: looks, clothes, cleavage, husband, crying, etc.
A woman running a successful campaign for president is driving so many people crazy. I wish voters and the press would just stop and ask themselves before proceeding in attack mode: "If Hillary were a man would I be focusing on this issue - would I even be thinking about this issue?"
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Posted by: Sil on Jan 30, 2008 1:05 PM
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After the most ruinous 8 years in memory, and the anti-corporate Edwards studiously ignored by the corporate media until dropping out, it's going to be at least another 8 more (if a Democrat is elected) before there can possibly be anything resembling "change" of the sort espoused by Obama - you know, the guy with a closet full of hawkish advisors like Brzezinski and a pile of money from Wall Street, big pharmaceuticals and insurance companies and who continues to vote to fund the immoral criminal atrocity of Iraq. Watching Obama speak of the tragedy of US soldiers killed there with nary a mention of the Iraqi casualties (about 100 times more numerous, although it's hard to really have a number since we're not, you know, all that interested in THAT number or its implications), you'd never know that the US attacked them in violation of international law, not the other way around.
The DNC knows this, of course, which is why they've taken this gamble; that people will be disgusted enough by the Bush years that there's no need to offer up an actual progressive candidate - that people will hold their nose and vote for the corporate shills the DNC has insultingly offered them, because the alternative is John McCain, who will blow up the world. The same thing happened in 2004 - just substitute Bush for McCain and Kerry for Clinton/Obama.
Well, it's not your fault for not obeying them, people. It's the Democratic Party's fault for offering up these people and for forming a party apparatus that makes it acceptable for them to do so. Don't blame yourself, and vote your conscience in the primaries and election. It's a foregone conclusion that the nominee will stand for nothing.
I can understand why people support Obama, or I suppose Clinton for that matter (okay, maybe not in her case). It's a lot easier to convince yourself that a front-runner represents change than to fight for somebody who does. It doesn't beget actual results, but at least they can delude themselves every few years.
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Posted by: VZEQICVA on Jan 30, 2008 2:18 PM
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Posted by: kepstein7777 on Jan 30, 2008 4:20 PM
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I also disagree that "Clinton fatigue" was responsible for bringing us GWB. I think it's more accurate to say that the Right-wing machine manufactured and sold "Clinton fatigue". Compared to those who came before and after him, the Clinton years were relatively tame. What fatigued me the most was the Monica thing, but only in terms of the media's and the wing-nuts' obsession with it.
Having said all that, I loved reading this article. Classic Taibbi. I can't wait to read his next one.
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Posted by: pkbutrfli on Jan 30, 2008 4:21 PM
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I'm not a sheeple. I am a human being. I make my own decisions, and I will not vote for someone who happens to stick a "D" behind his/her name. I've been burned on that one too many times. Too many times has a "D" changed to "R"... I have voted the "D" ticket only to be betrayed.
Lately the D's are keeping the letter behind their name. This time they simply keep their D's but vote with the R's, obviously they never cared about the D, they only wanted the dems vote.
So, what's a person to do? If Hillary/Bill actually make it to the general election, do I vote for him/her? Hillary, who owes way too many favors to the wrong people? Hillary, who has attacked in a very R way (I just love this display of unity)? Hillary, who is as divisive or more so than Georgie (you think a dem hates Georgie? Wait and see what a repuke thinks of Hillary)? Hillary, who has never stood up against America's first dictator (yessir, yessir, yessir... any more I can do for you sir)?
I cannot vote a straight D ticket if Hillary is on it - like some brainless dumba republican voting an R ticket no matter who's on it!
What's a person to do?
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Posted by: zeitgeist1979 on Jan 30, 2008 5:52 PM
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In addition, my support for Obama is NOT a blind adoration for Obama as a person himself. Let's talk about the way that he is portrayed for a minute: the mainstream media is TOTALLY missing the point on his appeal. Obama is NOT talking to us about putting our faith on him. He is talking about putting our hopes, dreams, and faith on OURSELVES and the movement that we-the-people have been either desiring for or have been working towards for the past few years. You see, Obama's message is NOT the usual conservative "go-at-it-alone" individualistic rhetoric that Republicans and frankly most Democrats have erroneously adopted. Obama's message resonates because he is talking about what Democrats should have been talking about from the very beginning: he is talking about US, he is talking about how "WE are all in this together" and how WE must work together and leave no one behind.
That, my friends, is why I am supporting Obama full force-meaning volunteering for his campaign, donating money, etc. No matter what happens, whether he gets the nomination or not, what he embodies will continue on. To all those present and potential Obama supporters: I ask that you please do NOT take things for granted. Just because the opinion polls show support for Obama it doesn't mean that he will instantly win. Look at what happened in New Hampshire. We must all work hard to make sure that our dream comes true. Finally, I ask that you get out there and do whatever you can possibly do in your power to make sure he is elected. In closing, when you cast your vote, please do so against fear and instead vote BECAUSE of hope: vote for Obama!
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Posted by: Ivann on Jan 31, 2008 2:35 AM
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Posted by: Robert Henry Eller on Feb 19, 2008 4:34 AM
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Please, please, please write a response to David Brooks "editorial" in NYT Tuesday, February 19, titled, "When the Magic Fades." I cannot handle this guy anymore. You're the only writer I know who puts this guy in his place. Thank you, thank you, thank you. Robert
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Posted by: NoPCZone on Jan 30, 2008 1:58 AM
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"his eyes bulge out of his fat, blood-flushed head; his neck spills out of his too-tight shirt collar; and he generally looks like Jabba the Hutt, his suit bursting at the seams, with only the bowl of snackable live toads suspended at arm's length missing from the picture."
Priceless
Maybe Obama fever and Hillaryitis will run their course and we can actually choose a real progressive this time. A brokered convention would be a great gift to our country. I could vote for Edwards even though he's not my first choice. I'm actually hoping/praying for none of the above to get a first ballot nomination.
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Posted by: herbal on Jan 30, 2008 3:42 AM
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See Hillary Clinton speak for herself here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvuzMWcz0kU
Then see the company she keeps with Rev, Hagee of Christian Zionist cult here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exdsB5D1r7Y
She advocates nuclear war against Iran and has never repudiated war in any form.
And Obama. He's for nuclear power; the generators for U-238.
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Posted by: gazooks on Jan 30, 2008 4:43 AM
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Dick Nixon's extensive support for civil rights legislation far exceeds Hill's high profile, lip service advocacy to those guaranteed death by Congressional reality causes of the 90's.
As presidential comparatives go, Nixon couldn't compete with Hill's back stabbing killer instinct, young Cheney's input notwithstanding.
As lessor evils go, Barrak is unquestionably the more of less.
Maybe he just needs a new speech writer, ... Matt.
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Posted by: JohnOsborneNY on Jan 30, 2008 4:45 AM
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Posted by: carbon-based on Jan 30, 2008 5:18 AM
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If Hillary had a fraction of the foreign policy skills Nixon had I might vote for her.
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Posted by: Jeffrey Levy on Jan 30, 2008 5:18 AM
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No one should care what Hilary Clinton says about the press and no one with any self-respect should be writing articles about this non-subject.
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Posted by: TarryFaster on Jan 30, 2008 6:38 AM
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Posted by: elgeck0 on Jan 30, 2008 7:23 AM
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Posted by: ScottP on Jan 30, 2008 9:40 AM
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And now we have Clinton and Obama, both with records of voting for more funding for the genocide in Iraq. Once in a while they issue a protest vote against it, but before the money runs out they make sure it gets replenished so the killing can go on. And so you have been warned, a vote for either is a vote to continue the war profiteering genocide.
They're both lying Nixons.
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Posted by: lynmarenjensen on Jan 30, 2008 11:00 AM
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Posted by: willymack on Jan 30, 2008 11:42 AM
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Posted by: YellowdogD on Jan 30, 2008 12:14 PM
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You seem to have fallen prey to Obamamania. The guy is smart and speaks brilliantly, but doesn't offer much substance nor a real track record of much import. What does he actually stand for, and when will the press stop fawning all over him and really examine his record? It ain't much, and he sure as hell was pandering to Repubicans when he mused about Reagan. I heard the comment and his later explanation of it was utter B.S.
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Posted by: arieden on Jan 30, 2008 12:28 PM
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Hillary Clinton is a politician and she is certainly not perfect - but she is no worse than any of the other candidates and yet look at the outrageous media coverage that no other candidate gets: looks, clothes, cleavage, husband, crying, etc.
A woman running a successful campaign for president is driving so many people crazy. I wish voters and the press would just stop and ask themselves before proceeding in attack mode: "If Hillary were a man would I be focusing on this issue - would I even be thinking about this issue?"
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Posted by: Sil on Jan 30, 2008 1:05 PM
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After the most ruinous 8 years in memory, and the anti-corporate Edwards studiously ignored by the corporate media until dropping out, it's going to be at least another 8 more (if a Democrat is elected) before there can possibly be anything resembling "change" of the sort espoused by Obama - you know, the guy with a closet full of hawkish advisors like Brzezinski and a pile of money from Wall Street, big pharmaceuticals and insurance companies and who continues to vote to fund the immoral criminal atrocity of Iraq. Watching Obama speak of the tragedy of US soldiers killed there with nary a mention of the Iraqi casualties (about 100 times more numerous, although it's hard to really have a number since we're not, you know, all that interested in THAT number or its implications), you'd never know that the US attacked them in violation of international law, not the other way around.
The DNC knows this, of course, which is why they've taken this gamble; that people will be disgusted enough by the Bush years that there's no need to offer up an actual progressive candidate - that people will hold their nose and vote for the corporate shills the DNC has insultingly offered them, because the alternative is John McCain, who will blow up the world. The same thing happened in 2004 - just substitute Bush for McCain and Kerry for Clinton/Obama.
Well, it's not your fault for not obeying them, people. It's the Democratic Party's fault for offering up these people and for forming a party apparatus that makes it acceptable for them to do so. Don't blame yourself, and vote your conscience in the primaries and election. It's a foregone conclusion that the nominee will stand for nothing.
I can understand why people support Obama, or I suppose Clinton for that matter (okay, maybe not in her case). It's a lot easier to convince yourself that a front-runner represents change than to fight for somebody who does. It doesn't beget actual results, but at least they can delude themselves every few years.
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Posted by: VZEQICVA on Jan 30, 2008 2:18 PM
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Posted by: kepstein7777 on Jan 30, 2008 4:20 PM
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I also disagree that "Clinton fatigue" was responsible for bringing us GWB. I think it's more accurate to say that the Right-wing machine manufactured and sold "Clinton fatigue". Compared to those who came before and after him, the Clinton years were relatively tame. What fatigued me the most was the Monica thing, but only in terms of the media's and the wing-nuts' obsession with it.
Having said all that, I loved reading this article. Classic Taibbi. I can't wait to read his next one.
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Posted by: pkbutrfli on Jan 30, 2008 4:21 PM
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I'm not a sheeple. I am a human being. I make my own decisions, and I will not vote for someone who happens to stick a "D" behind his/her name. I've been burned on that one too many times. Too many times has a "D" changed to "R"... I have voted the "D" ticket only to be betrayed.
Lately the D's are keeping the letter behind their name. This time they simply keep their D's but vote with the R's, obviously they never cared about the D, they only wanted the dems vote.
So, what's a person to do? If Hillary/Bill actually make it to the general election, do I vote for him/her? Hillary, who owes way too many favors to the wrong people? Hillary, who has attacked in a very R way (I just love this display of unity)? Hillary, who is as divisive or more so than Georgie (you think a dem hates Georgie? Wait and see what a repuke thinks of Hillary)? Hillary, who has never stood up against America's first dictator (yessir, yessir, yessir... any more I can do for you sir)?
I cannot vote a straight D ticket if Hillary is on it - like some brainless dumba republican voting an R ticket no matter who's on it!
What's a person to do?
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Posted by: zeitgeist1979 on Jan 30, 2008 5:52 PM
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In addition, my support for Obama is NOT a blind adoration for Obama as a person himself. Let's talk about the way that he is portrayed for a minute: the mainstream media is TOTALLY missing the point on his appeal. Obama is NOT talking to us about putting our faith on him. He is talking about putting our hopes, dreams, and faith on OURSELVES and the movement that we-the-people have been either desiring for or have been working towards for the past few years. You see, Obama's message is NOT the usual conservative "go-at-it-alone" individualistic rhetoric that Republicans and frankly most Democrats have erroneously adopted. Obama's message resonates because he is talking about what Democrats should have been talking about from the very beginning: he is talking about US, he is talking about how "WE are all in this together" and how WE must work together and leave no one behind.
That, my friends, is why I am supporting Obama full force-meaning volunteering for his campaign, donating money, etc. No matter what happens, whether he gets the nomination or not, what he embodies will continue on. To all those present and potential Obama supporters: I ask that you please do NOT take things for granted. Just because the opinion polls show support for Obama it doesn't mean that he will instantly win. Look at what happened in New Hampshire. We must all work hard to make sure that our dream comes true. Finally, I ask that you get out there and do whatever you can possibly do in your power to make sure he is elected. In closing, when you cast your vote, please do so against fear and instead vote BECAUSE of hope: vote for Obama!
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Posted by: Ivann on Jan 31, 2008 2:35 AM
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Posted by: cisc on Jan 31, 2008 6:13 AM
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Posted by: Robert Henry Eller on Feb 19, 2008 4:34 AM
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Please, please, please write a response to David Brooks "editorial" in NYT Tuesday, February 19, titled, "When the Magic Fades." I cannot handle this guy anymore. You're the only writer I know who puts this guy in his place. Thank you, thank you, thank you. Robert
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