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Election 2008

A Big Win for Obama and the South

By Bob Moser, The Nation. Posted January 27, 2008.


The fine folks of South Carolina should be applauded for their rejection of the Clintons' gutter politics.
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When I was growing up in North Carolina, our neighbor South Carolina played an important role in our lives -- giving us something to look down on. We fell for too many racist demagogues through the years (y'all remember Jesse Helms?), but we weren't always run by them. We didn't have no rebel flag flying over our statehouse. We elected a racially moderate governor at the height of the civil-rights backlash in 1960. It was something to say for ourselves, and we appreciated South Carolina's making us look relatively all right.

After Saturday's primary, this Tar Heel can do nothing but offer a big, deep bow to the Democrats of South Carolina. Not because I was particularly rooting for Barack Obama over John Edwards -- but because of these fine folks' rejection of the Clintons' gutter politics. The majority of white Democrats, in a state where the Democratic Party was so long the organized mob enforcing Jim Crow, repelled the Clinton campaign's unspeakably vile attempt to paint Barack Obama as some kind of coke-dealing, slumlord-pimping cousin of Al Sharpton -- and their equally vile assumption that Deep South whites, whether they're Democratic or Republican, can be manipulated by coded racial divisiveness in 2008 the way they were in 1968. Or, to add a bit more vileness to the mix, their assumption that they could make South Carolina blacks believe that one of their own would be "unelectable" by definition.

The overwhelming majority of South Carolina blacks rejected Senator Clinton in the most profound way: after first supporting her. She had a two-to-one lead on Obama among black South Carolinians at mid-campaign. Whites didn't reject her nearly so soundly -- about one-quarter of them voted for Obama, with the others pretty well split between Clinton and John Edwards. But half of under-30 white voters -- and there were a ton of them -- went for Obama.

What to make of the fact that a strong majority of whites in South Carolina opted against Clinton? Some of it is explained, no doubt, by the fact that South Carolina Democrats hear visceral evidence, most every day, from their Republican neighbors of how little chance the Senator from New York would have of getting a fair hearing in red-state America. Some, perhaps, is due to the fact that with Edwards in the race, white Democrats didn't "have" to vote for Obama to be anti-Clinton. (Though I know from talking to white South Carolina Democrats that many of them were split between Edwards, as a truer populist progressive, and Obama, as an inspirational bundle of potential. They weren't just deciding between the white candidates.)

It is also because the Clintons have come to embody, for many middle Americans, the moral and intellectual emptiness they seen in liberalism -- feel-good, stand-for-nothing, make-no-difference power players cloaking their lust for control in "feel-your-pain" platitudes. In South Carolina, the Clintons demonstrated just how much unfortunate truth there is to that exaggerated view of them (not liberals). And the white Democrats of South Carolina demonstrated precisely the opposite: that there is less truth than ever to the negative stereotypes about them.

The same is true -- albeit a little less so -- of white Republicans in the Deep South. The backlash generation is dying off, thank goodness. A new generation of voters -- not just young Southerners but also millions of Hispanic voters -- is rising. Where they will take Southern politics is anything but certain. But as South Carolinians showed tonight, it isn't going to be backward toward the days of Strom Thurmond and Lee Atwater -- or Bill Clinton.


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Bob Moser is a contributing writer at The Nation, and is the editorial director of The Nation Institute's Investigative Fund.

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But---she's a-----WOMAN!
Posted by: zooeyhall on Jan 27, 2008 12:45 PM   
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It is sooooo good to finally see "Clintonisim" and it's resurrection attempt in the form of Hillary finally getting the stake through the heart.

I speak as a thorough-going progressive, and I want to say that the support for Hillary by other "progressives" has always baffled me. Both Clintons have been, at best, "Republican lite". At worst they have well shown their cahoots with the corporatocracy--Walmart and the medical industry are two that immediately come to mind. They may have called themselves Democrats, but their version of America seemed to be predicated on an economic "tough love" for the middle class. It was during Bill's reign that outsourcing of jobs and the brutal layoff strategy of corporations really was honed to a fine art.

I have said this to several Hillary supporters, and asked them why she should be president. They come out with the usual, but when it really gets down to the nitty gritty, they always seem to fall back on:

"But--she's a----WOMAN!!!!

Yeah,,, and so was Margaret Thatcher.

Further conversation with Hillary-ites often goes like this:

"Hillary has always been a shill of Walmart"

"You're a SEXIST!"

"Hillary voted for the Iraq war and still supports it"

"Misogynist!!!"

"Hillary is in bed with the medical industry"

"Misogynist!!!!"

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» RE: But---she's a-----WOMAN! Posted by: dismayed
» Whether done or not Posted by: Christie
» As Ann Richards would say... Posted by: nomomorons
» Cholesterol kills, but . . . Posted by: Mauimom
» RE: But---she's a-----WOMAN! Posted by: bbfmail
Backlash
Posted by: QQOblivion on Jan 27, 2008 12:59 PM   
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Along with H Clinton's support of both the Iraq war and the coming war with Iran, I dislike that her campaign has resorted to Karl Rove-like tactics that I, a progressive, find as repulsive as I find what is practiced by Republicans. Obama, a drug dealer? Obama, a Muslim who was schooled at a madrassa? (The last shouldn't disqualify anyone from being president, but it probably would disqualify them in Americans' minds if the accusations were believed.)
I am so happy to see that the people of South Carolina rejected these despicable and, yes, racist attacks against Obama. I hope I can say the same of the rest of the country. Hopefully the backlash against dirty politics has begun. Hopefully.

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You cry, you win. You racebait, you lose.
Posted by: Tatarize on Jan 27, 2008 2:48 PM   
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Not exactly rocket science here.

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Hope it Sticks
Posted by: bluesmanjohnson on Jan 27, 2008 2:53 PM   
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I really hope the Clintonistas are running out of gas here. Please Florida please: symbolically drive the stake through this awful two-headed beast's heart.

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Hillary Sends Bill on Campaign Trip to Antarctica
Posted by: TarryFaster on Jan 27, 2008 3:00 PM   
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Will Remain There Until Convention, Aides Confirm

Andy Borowitz

Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Rodham Clinton has sent her husband, former President Bill Clinton, on a “special campaign trip” to Antarctica that could last “six or seven months,” Clinton aides confirmed today.

“From here on in, Bill is going to be our man in Antarctica,” said top Clinton strategist Mark Penn. “We have sent him down there with enough food and firewood to last until the Democratic convention this summer.”

The unexpected change in the former president’s itinerary happened just hours after Mrs. Clinton’s drubbing in the South Carolina primary, causing some party insiders to wonder if Mr. Clinton’s mission to Antarctica represented something of a demotion.

The decision to dispatch Mr. Clinton to the South Pole also raised eyebrows because the continent of Antarctica does not participate in the so-called “Super Tuesday” primaries on February 5 and sends no delegates to the Democratic National Convention.

Mr. Penn attempted to tamp down all such speculation, telling reporters, “This race isn’t about votes or delegates, it’s about land mass, frozen tundra and penguins.”

Mr. Clinton’s itinerary change comes on the heels of a controversial incident Saturday night in which he was discovered bound and gagged in the bathroom of Mrs. Clinton’s campaign plane, his hands tied by what appeared to be the jacket of a bright yellow pantsuit.

Speaking to reporters with a strip of duct tape still over his mouth, Mr. Clinton denied that he was being muzzled by the campaign, adding, “Mmmfff mghrmfff mmbrrfff.”

Elsewhere, the White House announced that President Bush’s State of the Union address would be simulcast in English.

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Well, we'll see
Posted by: lukitas on Jan 27, 2008 4:03 PM   
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The thing about Hilary is silly. Among any number of humans, there will always be a nasty bitch. Doesn't have to be man.
As for Barack, riding home on hope and unity and changing everything. What exactly is he going to change? What is he going to do to make everything better? Put the rein on the corporados? Tax the rich? Is he going to stop the war? Make our energy homegrown and green? How is he going to do that? Is he going to do that?

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» RE: Well, we'll see Posted by: Knot_Rich
Putrid and Pathetic
Posted by: jmooney on Jan 27, 2008 5:08 PM   
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The Clintons are putrid and pathetic and deserve to be repudiated at the polls.
Thank you South Carolina.

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Clinton bashing is getting so tiring...
Posted by: aethr on Jan 27, 2008 7:29 PM   
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... especially when it's based on deception.

"What to make of the fact that a strong majority of whites in South Carolina opted against Clinton?"

That little "fact" is only true if you assume that a vote for Edwards was a vote against Clinton. That's not a rational assumption. Given how far behind Edwards has fallen the logical anti-Clinton way to vote would be to vote for Obama, not Edwards.

The worst thing is the self-congratulatory nonsense about overcoming racism. A look at the details of the exit polls shows that people in South Carolina voted largely along racial lines, with a significant majority of the blacks voting for the black candidate and a significant majority of the whites voting for a white candidate. That doesn't bode well for Obama in any of the upcoming primaries, where blacks are a significantly smaller proportion of the Democratic vote, nor in the general election. It's also a quite clear sign that racism is alive and well.

Why is it praise for Obama mostly comes with deception and Clinton-bashing? If Obama is just the anti-Clinton candidate he has no chance in a general election. More than that, this behavior by his supporters reminds me more than anything else of the supporters of George Bush, blind to all his faults and believing only in the lies they tell themselves.

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Brand Clinton is Finished
Posted by: dayahka on Jan 27, 2008 7:45 PM   
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Bill Clinton squandered his presidency on Monica, then squandered his legacy (and Hillary's chances) over the last week. Bill showed himself to be a "white" Uncle Tom, and a rather vile human being, first in his racist attack on Obama, then in his tasteless criticism of his SC victory. I voted for Bill twice, but I want no more of Bill (or Hillary, for that matter); I just couldn't take four more years of Bill's narcissistic behavior or Hillary's excuses for this rather sorry excuse for a man.

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» RE: Brand Clinton is Finished Posted by: Knot_Rich
i don't think so
Posted by: allyourbasearebelongtous on Jan 27, 2008 8:41 PM   
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yeah see losing this one primary to obama because most of the black democratic voters there voted (incredible huge surprise here!!!!!) for the black candidate doesn't mean hilary clinton has lost the nomination to obama unless you think that most of the other primaries are going to have at least as high a percentage of black participation and that the voting will continue to break the same way. also even if that were to be the case, you have to wonder if obama could win the general election as by then he would have been identified as the black candidate by the msm totally aside from whether such a characterization would be either accurate or fair. will i vote for him if he wins the nomination? absolutely because he has to be better than 4-8 more years of gopism but he does have to be a better noob national leader than bush was or we are screwed anyways.

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also
Posted by: allyourbasearebelongtous on Jan 27, 2008 8:46 PM   
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also even if moser does write for the nation, his article is just an opinion rant and hardly constitutes factual evidence of any kind on any level.

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Gutter Politics Indeed
Posted by: Tom Degan on Jan 28, 2008 12:52 AM   
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A tip of the hat to the good people of South Carolina - or at least the Democratic ones!

Hillary Clinton has just got to wake up and realize that people are sick of her. FULL DISCLOSURE: I'm still for John Edwards. That being said, the results of Saturday's were very hopeful. IF the Democrats give her the nomination, they'll deserve everything that happens to them - everything.

Tom Degan
Goshen, NY
Look! A Real, Live Democrat!

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She's no Ann Richards
Posted by: nomomorons on Jan 28, 2008 1:05 AM   
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Lordy, how I miss Ann Richards! Now that was a feminist leader with the heart of a true liberal, a love for all people, and no capacity for bull! Or malice. No trickery. Just straight from her heart.

She was the best governor Texas ever had, from opening government to all people, to building the economy, to streamlining the processes. And she got whupped during the meanest of the rightwing meaness by the Rove machine and the NRA who just would not tolerate her veto of a concealed handgun bill. And we ended up with "shrub," who proved that you can fool all the people long enough to elect a nitwit twice.

Probably the only thing that could do more damage to this shell-shocked nation than Shrub has done would be to put the Clintons in the White House and let them have another whack at their soap-opera relationship and have them bring us more NAFTA, "don't ask, don't tell", "welfare to work" destruction.

When we finally elect a woman to the presidency, she must be in the mold of Ann Richards, and not Karl Rove in drag.

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Sorry the day we believe the media's cesspool of lies.
Posted by: niliadis on Jan 28, 2008 2:23 AM   
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The only down and dirty is the media and the idiots who let the media manipulate their weak minds. Everyone knows that the Clintons always supported the black issues,thru-out thier carreers the Clintons I think he still has an office in harlem, He is also the president that created and employed the most blacks than any other president and it is well recorded that Bill and Hillary always supported civil rights and that Bill Clinton was known as "The Black Prresident" and if you do not believe us, pick up a history book!!!However because of the irresponsability of media manipulation of misrepresenting fact in SC. the issues were forgotten; the economy, the war, ss, and everything was focused on race. the proof is that 81% of the blacks voted for Obama only because he was black and Obama like the child that throws the rock and hides his hand behind him, jumped on the racial band wagon to win! It is a sad day when this happens because we should be looking at the issues and which candidate would be the best to deal with the crucial times we are facing. I think the media go so many angry using Bill Clinton as a scape goat that the people forgot everything and so desperatly ran to vote for Obama.We forgot the issues of: loss of jobs,homes and the economic grief we are going thru and who can bring the economy back to when the Clintons were President. Read your hisory book
and see for yourselves. Our economy was at a surplus, the budget was balanced and everyone was enjoying a great economy when Bill Clinton was President. I am sadden by the manipulation and the negative of statements that the irresponsible media have insinuated about the Clintons.It is ashame that the media maniulated such trajedy and that they continue to report such meaness which only hurts the people. All day Sunday the questions of race was thrown in all the conversations and the more they talk the more the topic is going to escalate. Obama seems to be a nice guy, he inspires and his speeches are wonderful. However he is inexperience and the fact that he does not really address the issues straight on, I guess his inexperience holds hime back.I have heard manny many of his speeches in the rallys, however he never has a question and answer time. Mrs. Clinton always has a Question and answer session, she is not afraid to answer any question, she has conviction and is sure of herself and I believe she would be ready on day one to do the best job possible..We believe experience is of the utmost importance because of the crucial economic times we are in. I would vote for Mr. Obama if he was on the ticket as a VICE PRESIDENT, BUT NEVER AS A PRESIDENT THIS TIME AROUND. I FEEL AS A VP HE WOULD BE TERRIFIC, THIS WOULD GIVE HIM THE EXPERIENCE HE WOULD NEED AND IN 4 OR 8 YEARS HE WOULD THEN BE THE PRESIDENT. AND AN EXPERIENCED PRESIDENT. AFTER ALL WE NEED TO REALLY KNOW WHO WE ARE VOTING FOR AND WHAT AND HOW THEY ARE GONG TO BRING US TO THE ECONOMY WE ONCE HAD.AFTER ALL THIS IS THE FUTURE OF OUR COUONTRY AND OUR LIVELYHOOD!
OBAMA IS NOT READY AT THIS TIME AND AS NICE AS HE MAY SEEM, WE CAN NOT RISK A DOWNWARD ECONOMY THAT DUE TO HIS INEXPERIENCE MAY HAPPEN. AFTER ALL HE HAS ONLY BEEN A JR. SENATOR THAT HAS NOT EVEN HAD HE CHANCE TO GET EXPERIENCE TO FULFILL HIS JOB IN THE SENATE!
I truly hope we leave this media manipulation behind in sc and move on to a more united time.
ONE THING I KNOW THE MEDIA HAS CREATED THIS UNFORTUNATE DIVISION IN SC, I SURE HOPE WE HAVE LEFT IT BEHIND AND THAT WE DO NOT LET THE MEDIA MANIPULATE OUR MINDS WITH UNTRUTHFULL MANIPULATION OF LIES. WE NEED TO VOTE NOT FOR RACE OR GENDER BUT FOR THE PERSON THAT CAN DO SOMETHING ABOUT THE ISSUES THAT ARE IMPORTANT TO YOU.
FOR ITS THE FUTURE OF OUR LIVES AND THE FUTURE ON OUR COUNTRY!!!

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It's about hope (I hope)
Posted by: Urstrly on Jan 28, 2008 4:50 AM   
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Nice analysis by Bob Moser, who knows a thing or two about racial relations. It would be a minor miracle if Obama's candidacy trumped the grip the Republicans have held over Southern politics since LBJ signed the voting rights act. And it speaks well for this new generation of white voters. You can almost feel the Republican machine ratcheting up its voter suppression operation. This time, we have to make sure it's checked, both in our black enclaves and our college towns.

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No Hillary Fan,
Posted by: Andie927 on Jan 28, 2008 5:59 AM   
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For anyone interested, Hillary has been all over last night and this mornings news, with film footage, of her on the tarmac HERE IN FLORIDA!!!Saying she's going to be back Tuesday night after the election!

That said; Exactly what did Bill say that wasn't true?? Didn't Obama admit to doing drugs? Didn't he admit to working for this 'slum lord'? Is it a lie that Jessie Jackson won S. Carolina in 84' & 89'?

Their BOTH, playing the race/gender card, I wish Everybody was a lot more worried about Positions, Issues and character! Barack doesn't like getting hit, then he shouldn't be playing hard ball!!If you think it's bad now, wait till the Repug's start filling in his 'vague' biography! There's a lot of unexplained gaps in there!

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General Election?
Posted by: Sissy on Jan 28, 2008 6:07 AM   
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There is much discussion now "could Obama win a gnereal election?" My own observation has been all along, "I don't think Hillary could win in the general." And this past week in South Carolina, by watching and listening carefully, my opinion has been cemented. Perhaps had Bill stayed home and run his world peace organization and and kept to the sidelines except for family type events where he could shake hands, give encouragement, schmooze the money boys, she would have a chance. One word here is all I can think. "Polarizing".

I think you also have the Clinton/Bush "fatigue factor" here. People are tired of the drama, the divisiness, and acrimony. We have some real problems that haven't shaken this country in recent memory. Had Hillary and Bill stuck to the many different issues and how they would solve them instead of treating the proposed "cures" as an "afterthought," the electorate would really be given a choice. I found profoundly offensive the charges that Clinton "put out there" at Obama, "drug taking, Muslim slum lord" is "old way" campaigning and like ol' Dr. Phil likes to say, "That dog ain't gonna hunt this time".

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Seems like people want change!!
Posted by: xvictor on Jan 28, 2008 6:23 AM   
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I believe Americans are tired of Bush and Clinton and want to leave those years behind forever. Let's move forward, they say!!!

But still, South Carolina is not the pivot moment. The night's still young!

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I think that the American people are
Posted by: steven w on Jan 28, 2008 8:21 AM   
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so under-estimated by the MSM and others who want to talk about "who's gonna vote how", over-analizing to fullest. I think they vote for whomever they think is the best candidate- that's it! Nothing complicated about it. I am an Edwards supporter because I think he is the best candidate. It would not be fair to say something like "well, he just doesn't want a woman or a black." B.S.!!! Don't insult my intelligence. Besides, I will support anyone who gets the nominations if it isn't Edwards in spite of my misgivings about Clinton and Obama's corporation donations.

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This is going to sound corny...but I'm going to say it anyway...
Posted by: Gungneir on Jan 28, 2008 2:50 PM   
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Back in 2004, when I witnessed the debacle that was W's reelection at a friend of mine's house, I remember watching the coverage go over to Obama's election victory. It was definitely one of the few bright spots in a night that didn't have too many. Without even really thinking about it, I just blurted out loud, "We're looking at the next President of the United States."

When I thought about it later, I kicked myself for being so stupid. Obama had just gotten elected for the first time, had made one inspirational speech at the Dems convention, and had no national record. What was I thinking?

So, as I watch Obama win his primary victories, I realize that I wasn't as offbase as I thought. Still, it's early. I may still be wrong. But...as I've said elsewhere, we can't afford another four years of Republican hegemony. Let's give the rookie a try.

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News Flash - Democratic Party Committs Suicide
Posted by: Jersey Devil on Jan 28, 2008 6:47 PM   
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This is not going to be "politically correct" those who are bursting with joy over Obama's apparent success in South Carolina need to cool down. In a state with a balanced racial population there were two whites and one black. The reality of Campaign 2008 will be a lot clearer after Super Tuesday. The Democratic party has fielded two loser presidential tickets in a row and could turn their current advantage over the Republican/Bush Party to crap by nominating another loser ticket. The White House is theirs to loose this time, it will be interesting to see how they score a hat-trick in 2008.

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