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Election 2008

Is a Clinton-Obama Ticket in Our Future?

By Ellen Goodman, Washington Post Writers Group. Posted January 18, 2008.


Pairing Clinton and Obama (in either order) might produce a ticket that's greater than the sum of its parts.
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BOSTON -- Maybe I forgot to get my vaccination against the false-hope flu. Maybe the change mantra has finally overwhelmed my immune system. Or maybe it's just the spirit of Martin Luther King Jr. hovering over this week.

But I have a dream. Or at least a dream ticket. Why not the two front-runners on one ballot?

Yes, I am aware that I must immediately hand over my press card to the professional cynic police. I also have to apologize to the two New Hampshire teachers who suggested this wistfully only to hear me snap back, "Not gonna happen."

But the Democrats have just recovered from a panic attack over the possibility that a primary fight between Hillary and Barack over race and gender will leave both in the dirt. At the kiss-and-make-up debate in Nevada, a reassuring Obama said that "there's much more that we hold in common than what separates us." Clinton said that "we're all family in the Democratic Party." Exhale deeply.

"This is a moment worthy of celebration," said Clinton last week. "Many of our parents and our grandparents -- and, I dare say, probably many of us -- never thought they would see the day when an African-American and a woman were competing for the presidency of the United States."

Well, I'll see your "change" and raise you one. Our parents and our grandparents really never expected to see an African-American and a woman on the same ticket.

I will now pause for the requisite paragraphs explaining why this is a nutty idea. The two-fer could be two-for-defeat, double the trouble, double the negatives. As 'hope-less' strategists will tell you, there are plenty of folks who don't want to see a white woman and black man dance together, let alone run for the top jobs together.

The common wisdom says that we need a balanced ticket. But these are both senators, one from New York and one from Illinois. Moreover, the Democratic Party already has racial and gender gaps. Want chasms?

But what if "there's no such thing as false hopes"? -- thank you Obama. What if "what we need is somebody who can deliver change"? -- thank you Clinton.

What if a new, improved idea of a balanced ticket goes beyond demography and geography? What if balance rests on different personal and political strengths?

By now we've heard the front-runners make their own case repeatedly. Obama is cast as the candidate of inspiration. Hillary wears the mantle of experience. Tuesday night, Hillary described her idea of a president as "the chief executive officer." Obama described his greatest strength as "the ability to bring people together from different perspectives." He's fired up and she's ready to go.

Historian Doris Kearns Goodwin also blushingly confesses to being seduced by the possibility that the sum of this ticket would be greater than its parts. She compares it to other historic partnerships between those who motivated change and those who implemented it, including, yes, Martin Luther King Jr. and Lyndon Baines Johnson. "King's marching and sit-ins and his oratory created a climate that Congress had to respond to," says the biographer, but LBJ's political skills wrestled the legislation through Congress.

"In this case, we wouldn't just be combining a black and a woman, but the two narratives of the campaign: inspiration and experience, both of which are needed for change," she adds. "It would be a bold move but a great one."

Up to now, you will notice, I haven't said who would be at the top of the ticket. Which is where my little attack of idealism may stumble.

In America, as Hillary noted in the debate, we put "the head of state and the head of government together in one person." Frankly, I think of Hillary as prime minister and Obama as royal philosopher. If Hillary wins, it's easier to imagine the younger candidate taking the second spot. If Obama wins, it's harder to see her settling for Number One Observatory Circle after eight years in the White House. But at the same time, she has had a whole lot of experience partnering with a president.

This game plan depends, I am fully aware, on Super Tuesday. It also depends on whether the country is, in fact, eager for something different, in a "post-polarization" frame of mind.

But Obama said, "I run so that a year from today there's a chance that the world will look at America differently and that America will look at itself differently." And Clinton told Tyra Banks which reality show she'd choose: "I think it would have to be 'Dancing with the Stars,' especially if I could have one of those really good partners."

Against the low, incessant, chant for change, do I hear a T-E-A-M? Or only a dream?

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What is this doing on ALTERnet?
Posted by: single-serving poster on Jan 18, 2008 12:45 AM   
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Is this site just about getting as many hits as possible now?

Just what is "alternative" about the two "front-runners" in one of the two "major" parties' primary elections throwing their Corporate loot into one bin for the General Election?

What, just because of their gender/mixed race status? Mega-Yawn.

To the editors:

If this is just to generate "controversy" and therefore ad viewing posters to generate revenue to support the site- for shame.

If this is actually thought by yourselves to be a worthy article to stimulate genuine discussion then -you're idiots, kill yourself and return your nitrogen and carbon to the earth where it will be put to better use.

This is getting sad.

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Goldman Sachs & CitiGroup Go to DC
Posted by: LookOut on Jan 18, 2008 1:27 AM   
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It's no wonder the world is holding its nose at what American has become. Clinton and Obama are poster rats for everything that's criminal, neurotic, shallow and just plain disgusting within what's left of America and the American Dream.

Both these "frontrunners" were virtually cooked out of corporate monopoly crime central and funded by its hatchetmen to produce more phony wars, World Bank NAFTAs, and in short, more privatized, gobalized crime for their military industrial paymasters.

For Alternet to continue to run this kind of story content as if it's somehow "news" is quite disappointing. Savvy people understand that Washington presidents have been actors for cartel corporate interests for generations now. By the same token, that a person of color and a woman should be made the single, overwhelming celeb topic in an election year as decisive as this one is grotesque and insulting even at a surface level.

In sum, most elections have been corrupt jokes for years but this one has gone from the absurd to the degenerate.

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No thanks
Posted by: Markson on Jan 18, 2008 2:05 AM   
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After Obama spewing myths about Reagan, I hate the idea even worse than that of a Hillary Clinton presidency.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=rP1esS0AEzk

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» Typos Posted by: xbj
Who's on Top?
Posted by: carbon-based on Jan 18, 2008 3:55 AM   
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How do we get Hillary wears the mantel of experience? She spent 8 years in the whitehouse - so did the Presidential cook. Does that make him qualified for the job.. better than Bush for sure but don't we need to be a bit more selective this time around?

Obama represents hope?.. maybe. He comes across extremely well and I feel comfortable that he is not nutty enough to get us to believe he can have all the troops out of Iraq in a month! Seems he is trying to present sensible positions. But honestly, after they both have been trying to take out the other candidates in pretty dirty battles, all we have left is Obama and Hillary!. Prospects don't look that good!

But that said.. who would be #1

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» RE: Who's on Top? Posted by: MyLeftFoot
Funny
Posted by: dustinblythe on Jan 18, 2008 5:17 AM   
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I was thinking the same way...about how an Edwards/Obama ticket would be greater than the sum of it's parts. As Bill Maher said, an Edwards/Obama ticket would be "unbeatable".

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Clinton/Obama 2008-WOW!
Posted by: drricklippin on Jan 18, 2008 5:41 AM   
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I am for Obama for prez in 2016 after he serves as VP in the Clinton administration.

I doubt if this will happen but it IS worth dreaming about.Thanks, Ellen Goodman, for suggested this dream ticket might even be feasible?

Hillary, conversely, will not take the #2 spot nor should she.

The progresives who believe these two very fine candidates are sellouts to the status-qiuo are hopelessly cynical and wrong. Some progressives just can't abide being anywhere but on the outside in an attack mode.

God forbid that they might actually achieve success. They really would not know what to do with it.

Dr.Rick Lippin
Southampton,Pa
Http://medicalcrises.blogspot.com

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» RE: Clinton/Obama 2008-WOW! Posted by: carbon-based
» RE: Clinton/Obama 2008-WOW! Posted by: steven w
» RE: Clinton/Obama 2008-WOW! Posted by: steven w
» RE: Clinton/Obama 2008-WOW! Posted by: drricklippin
» RE: Clinton/Obama 2008-WOW! Posted by: steven w
» RE: Clinton/Obama 2008-WOW! Posted by: carbon-based
» RE: Clinton/Obama 2008-WOW! Posted by: aonghus36
» RE: Clinton/Obama 2008-WOW! Posted by: drricklippin
» RE: Clinton/Obama 2008-WOW! Posted by: steven w
» RE: Clinton/Obama 2008-WOW! Posted by: steven w
» RE: Clinton/Obama 2008-WOW! Posted by: carbon-based
» RE: Clinton/Obama 2008-WOW! Posted by: drricklippin
» RE: Clinton/Obama 2008-WOW! Posted by: pdxstudent
» RE: Clinton/Obama 2008-WOW! Posted by: desidid
OmyGod - TWO war criminals!
Posted by: Julian on Jan 18, 2008 6:07 AM   
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Look at their voting record in Congress. Aiding and abetting is the legal term.

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Obama/Edwards 2008 nm
Posted by: sunspot on Jan 18, 2008 6:36 AM   
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nm

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» Edwards/Obama Posted by: 2dogarage
aiding or getting by
Posted by: sunspot on Jan 18, 2008 6:42 AM   
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I totally disagree with Mrs. Clinton's voting record on the war, but it's important to consider that she might be voting how she thinks her constituents want her to vote. If the people in NY WHO VOTE are Jewish, corporate types, her votes make sense. If she's president, she ought to take the needs and wishes of the WHOLE country into account. It's easier to be progressive if you're setting the agenda. Perhaps she'd feel freer to put a more progressive face on her politics? Personally, I'd like to see a Kucinich/Edwards ticket. But I wouldn't have to hold my nose too tightly to vote Obama/Edwards either.

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» RE: aiding or getting by Posted by: steven w
Where is an Edwards article??
Posted by: steven w on Jan 18, 2008 7:17 AM   
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He IS still in the race and could win, you pro-corporate ignoramous. But I would like to know where the Edwards articles are- they damn sure are not in the mass media. They are scared of him because he is not a corporate boot-licker like you.

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Disgusting
Posted by: 2dogarage on Jan 18, 2008 7:36 AM   
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Clinton/Obama dream team? Only in Rupert Murdoch's media which has obviously dominated the discussion.

Thanks to Ellen Goodman of the Washington Post for couching the argument in terms of 'CEO', 'prime minister' and 'royal philosopher', showing the hand of the 'imperial corporations' who are running the show.

This is the last straw. John Edwards runs a very close third and we've only had two primaries. The media has shoved the two corporate-backed candidates down our throats as though they are the only ones in the race and Alternet is helping them do it.

The election process this year has been a sham. Maybe it has always been this way. Thanks to the MSM for making it cruelly clear that there is no such thing as a fair election in this country.

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» RE: Disgusting Posted by: steven w
» RE: Disgusting Posted by: g50
» RE: Disgusting Posted by: steven w
» RE: Disgusting Posted by: g50
» RE: Disgusting Posted by: aonghus36
Obama should run as Republican
Posted by: cmaciain on Jan 18, 2008 7:55 AM   
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If Obama loves Reagan so ruddy much, he should run as a republican. He's not progressive in the slightest if he invokes that man's legacy. Everyone jumped on Clinton about her LBJ remark but Reagan is Obama's darling and he's still considered a Democrat?!

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» RE: Obama should run as Republican Posted by: dustinblythe
Edwards is the All-in-One Candidate!
Posted by: womankin on Jan 18, 2008 8:45 AM   
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John Edwards is the candidate who inspires, leads, and despite his decent good looks, IS a genuine white man who is giving voice to the working-middle-class, unemployed Americans, undervalued and poor et al. He appears to stand alone in expressing the values that I want articulated by our Democratic candidate for President in 2008. He has made a life's work of poverty, education, speaking out against corporate personhood, (Ellen you're not really one of those, too, are you?), he inspires, has experience, gives voice, connects. Perhaps, your real point is that the dream would be not needing a combination of Clinton and Obama, no matter whose on top!, but rather the true human synergy already there, the all-in-one - JOHN EDWARDS.

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» let me also add... Posted by: Drclaw
! .... BAD Idea .... !
Posted by: Crazy H on Jan 18, 2008 10:46 AM   
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.

I - personally - have no problem voting for a woman or a black, either one. But there are too many people in this country who are biased against one or the other, if we put both on one ticket we're just asking for trouble.

Let's go about it a little more slowly. Pick one 'minority' candidate but not both. Edwards/Clinton or Edwards/Obama this time around (yes, the white male as prez) Then pick up the other eight years from now as VP once the hoi poloi see that the sky didn't fall after all.

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» RE: ! .... BAD Idea .... ! Posted by: steven w
EDWARDS HAS THE BEST PROPOSALS
Posted by: hadashito on Jan 18, 2008 10:49 AM   
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Ms. Goodman:
After carefully considering the proposals of each of the Dem candidates, if I were to choose a ticket, Edwards would be at its head and Obama in the vice pres. position.
Clinton is much too tied in to the Washington lobby scene, comparatively speaking. She has also never "come clean" on the Iraq question, although she now seems to favor a gradual withdrawal of troops - - but even this stand seems more prompted by her faltering campaign than any true conviction.
It is true that Edwards voted with Bush on the original proposal to fund the incursion into Iraq, but nearly everyone in the legislature was massively deceived by the White House, and later Edwards retracted his support and strongly advocates withdrawal. Also, Edwards' stand against our preditory large corporations appeals to me most centrally. These corporations have been given excessive power and threaten to control our lives entirely. They cannot be trusted to favor our citizens. They are now have only global outlooks and will do whatever it takes (legal or otherwise) to gain international power, even at the expense of the USA. Enron was not an exception. They are all prepared to violate laws whenever "necessary". Edwards is the only candidate addressing this question.
Obama's health plan proposals are deeply flawed as pointed out several times by Paul Krugman, whose judgement on these matters I trust. Otherwise. Obama is certainly the most charismatic of the Dems.
Still, given the questionable quality (a profound euphemism) of the Republican candidates, save possibly Clinton (who will make a wonderful third term senator from N Y) nearly ANY combo of Dems, including Dennis Kucinich or those who have already dropped out of the race, will make a far better choice than any of two of these hapless Republicans.

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» Edwards is (yet) another white guy Posted by: SparkyClinton
I miss Carol
Posted by: jwhitneywise on Jan 18, 2008 11:22 AM   
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Whatever happened to Carol Mosely Braun? A black woman with STOMACHABLE POLICY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! At best, we're getting a candidate who is only 1 for 3 as VP or prez.

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» RE: I miss Carol Posted by: Fat Man at the Buffet Line
Another ink-blotter test for Alternet readers
Posted by: johnclark on Jan 18, 2008 1:09 PM   
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I've read Ellen Goodman for years. I've had my issues with her, but I think I see where she's going with this. It's the perspective that every day that the candidates keep attacking each other brings us closer to a McCain/Lieberman (or Hagel, or {fill in the blank}) victory in November. I myself still hold out hope for Obama/Edwards. When you look at all of the progressive Democrats coming out for your opponent, you have to start questioning what your continued campaigning does for your mutual opponent.

I think things will become clearer after NV, and very clear after SC, especially if Obama can get young people to the polls. How well Edwards does will determine if Obama needs to offer him the VP position or not.

I'm one who sees Ms Clinton surviving into the general election as the best chance for the Republicans. While many of us think she is likable enough, there is something about her that contributes to her strong negatives among the general electorate. I mean, what is Bloomberg waiting for but a three way race against Ms Clinton?

Maybe Ms Goodman has seen the direct mail packets the Clinton campaign sent out in NH & NV? You know, the ones misrepresenting Obama's record on abortion rights and his proposal for removing the social security cap. Or maybe she's read the difficulties Black women are having in choosing between the two.

Instead, our commenters here choose to focus on the non-issues, like the money they've taken from Goldman Sachs & Citigroup (Edwards has taken money from them too, go to opensecrets), or Obama's comment about Reagan (watch the youtube video before holding him in judgement), or Clinton and Obama following party discipline on Iraq votes.

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Hillary deserves, and can do, far better than Obama
Posted by: xbj on Jan 18, 2008 1:31 PM   
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Especially how Obama stood by and did nothing, letting a George Bush appointed judge hand the Nevada caucus to him on a silver platter by giving hotel and casino employees, mostly culinary union workers who endorsed him, the singular advantage of being the only group in Nevada who will not have to leave their workplace to caucus.

While at those caucuses, union, peer, management, and superior pressure can be put upon these workers to vote for him, under fear of reprisal and possibly termination.

Obama, who praised George Bush in the last debate as "always being on time", who repeats Reagan myths, who speaks of reconciliation with a Party FULL to the brim of war and corporate criminals, whose hatred of Hillary is obvious, palpable, and overt, is looking more and more like a Rove mole plant. Click on the link and watch the video, it's very short. My God. It's Condoleeza Rice, in a suit and pants, with a haircut.

Hillary can do FAR better. Chris Dodd, Bill Richardson, John Edwards, even a real bipartisan wildcard shaker upper like Ron Paul.

Anyone, at this point, would be preferable to Obama. And that is most unfortunate, as I really thought he would make an incredible President after eight years as Hillary's veep and it would have been a double history-making ticket. America would have been ready for him then.

But that was back when I thought, like most people do today, that he was an honest-to-God real Democrat, not Rove's Nader insurance policy.

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» My but you're nasty Posted by: johnclark
» 8 yrs? Rookie! Posted by: johnclark
try for yourself to see if Edwards is wiped out on this website
Posted by: Suzon on Jan 18, 2008 2:47 PM   
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http://www.cqpolitics.com/wmspage.cfm?parm1=6

He certainly only had a forehead (or maybe the focus was on the expensive haircut he had without knowing the price) and no text whatsoever when I accessed it.

Dirty tricks have become a way of life. Hey, guys, can't we do better than that?

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What about kucinich
Posted by: godinanalcove on Jan 18, 2008 3:51 PM   
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Having Obama as president would be nice. Having Hillary or Edwards won't change anything. We need someone new and sort of radical. That is where Mr. Kucinich comes into the picture. He should be hear but the damn media keeps fighting him. We need real change not just minor ones.

If we want real change, we would vote for Kucinich. Obama would be nice but, he would pardon the current war criminal. After eight years of misery, we need to grow and face our real issues. We do not need phonies wars, wiretapping, electronic voting machines, tax cuts for the wealthy.... so on.

Vote Kucinich for president!

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Clinton and Obama need to kiss and make up. All this mudslinging....
Posted by: veggiegrrrl on Jan 18, 2008 5:48 PM   
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Clinton and Obama need to kiss and make up. All this mudslinging and negative press will ensure they can't end up as running mates. They are treating each other with so much disrespect. They should be moving towards being allies, not haters.
Stupid...definitely not a good strategy for getting a democrat in the white house.

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Kucnich/Lee
Posted by: renelucy on Jan 18, 2008 6:39 PM   
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Dennis Kucinich/Barbara Lee is my ideal Pres/VP choice. Alas, what are the chances?
Clinton/Obama or Obama/Clinton sounds good to me. The symbolism of a b;ack man and a woman will/is inspiring hope in many. Either one will restore respect for the US among our former allies, care more for the environment than the current admin and hopefully restore some, if not all, of our lost civil liberties. As far as health care and immigration reform, I'll believe it when I see it.
I'm old enough to remember the Carter presidency. Jimmy Carter was one of the most ethical presidents of the 20th century, but he was an outsider and remained ineffectual.
Clinton is not an outsider and knows how to work the system. For a dirty fight I want a dirty fighter.

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I'm audacious enough to "hope" for an Obama / Clinton ticket
Posted by: Blink on Jan 18, 2008 6:47 PM   
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I can't think of a stronger ticket than Obama / Clinton -- and in that order. We need Change, any kind of Change, and Obama and Clinton, with their relative lack of experience, are the best candidates to bring about Change because they are unencumbered with the weight of useless experience. No other Democrat other than Edwards is even running, so is that not prima facie evidence that these two individuals are the best the party has to offer? There's nothing but blue skies and green pastures ahead, if we can only come together as one and prove to the world that America is no longer "Amerikkka."

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I have a different dream
Posted by: Angiewnsb on Jan 18, 2008 6:54 PM   
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I have a dream too. It's not a silly one like an Obama/Clinton ticket. My dream is that all the people on alternet will read Dr. Martin Luther King's Challenge, and each pass it on to 10 people.

KING'S CHALLENGE:
This Martin Luther King Jr. Day ask yourself whether you’re up to King’s challenge. Can you truly take to heart the words Dr. King spoke only four days before he was gunned down?

“FIRST, WE ARE CHALLENGED TO DEVELOP A WORLD PERSPECTIVE. No individual can live alone, no nation can live alone…Through our scientific and technological genius, we have made of this world a neighborhood and yet we have not had the ethical commitment to make of it a brotherhood. . .

WE ARE CHALLENGED TO RID OUR NATION AND THE WORLD OF POVERTY. Like a monstrous octopus, poverty spreads its nagging, prehensile tentacles into hamlets and villages all over our world. Two-thirds of the people of the world go to bed hungry tonight. They are ill-housed; they are ill-nourished; they are shabbily clad. I’ve seen it in Latin America; I’ve seen it in Africa; I’ve seen this poverty in Asia. . .How can one avoid being depressed when he sees with his own eyes evidences of millions of people going to bed hungry at night… sleep(ing) on the sidewalks every night. . . no beds to sleep in . . . no houses to go in. . .

AS I NOTICED THESE THINGS, SOMETHING WITHIN ME CRIED OUT, "CAN WE IN AMERICA STAND IDLY BY AND NOT BE CONCERNED?" And an answer came: "Oh no!" Because the destiny of the United States is tied up with the destiny of India and every other nation. . .There is nothing new about poverty. What is new is that we now have the techniques and the resources to get rid of poverty. The real question is whether we have the will. In a few weeks some of us are coming to Washington to see if the will is still alive in this nation… in a Poor People’s Campaign. . . We are coming to demand that the government address itself to the problem of poverty. . .This is the question facing America”.

(His full sermon is here http://tinyurl.com/82npj )

Today, 40 years after Dr. King gave that sermon, 41 percent of humanity still defecate in the streets without sanitation, one-quarter are forced to live without electricity, and 30,000 kids DIE UNNECESSARILY EACH DAY (see my website for the proof, along with its article about the statistical accuracy of such numbers generally). If you are up for King’s challenge, you’ll need to seek out that world perspective he spoke about and get the real front page news on your own, because news which affects the largest number of people in the most serious ways is only rarely covered in newspapers or television!! My website, www.WhatNewsShouldBe.com, is one place you can find it. It is only when information concerning the most pressing issues facing humanity is widely known that the needless death and suffering can be stopped. There IS enough for everyone (http://tinyurl.com/ytmfd3). Please pass it on. Thank you and Happy Martin Luther King, Jr. Day.

Angie
www.WhatNewsShouldBe.com

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Clinton deserves to head the team
Posted by: Yermal on Jan 18, 2008 8:14 PM   
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The over-ambitious half-term U.S. senator with soaring oratory could gain useful experience in economic, military and foreign policy as a VP, and positon himself to become President in 2016. This is a realistic trajectory for him. Hillary is ready to discharge the onerous responsibilities as president in the perilous times we are living at present. She has a good vision for the future backed up by well-prepared plans to implement that vision. She is capable of turning the vision into concrete actions to bring about change in people's lives. She has gained valuable experience as a close advisor, a virtual partner to President Clinton during the eight years he was in the White House. She has played an important role in the substantial achievements of her husband in economic and foreign policy fields. Her active involvement in forging peace in North Ireland is well documented. Her role in fighting for civil rights, human rights and women's rights is also well known. She has also worked hard in the past on activities to reform education and improve the lot of children. In addition, she has shown commitment to racial equality to make the American dream become a reality for all.

Hillary has extensive experince to bring about change knowing well how to work through the system and get results. She is the best prepared for the job of the president partly because of the political wars she has gone through in the 1990's. She can be relied upon to deliver change working with high executive efficiency.

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False Hope Indeed
Posted by: herbal on Jan 19, 2008 12:36 AM   
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Comparing their respective voting records, we can conclude Obama and the Hillary are two very different quality people.

Obama voted against the Iraq war legislation that hillary approved. While Obama advocates diplomatic solutions, Hillary advocates Nuking Iran (Key in UTube: "Hillary Clinton AIPAC" to see her exemplary Christian Zionist performance).

Obama is not about to relegate himself as Hillary's shoe shine boy. Hillary ain't about to relegate herself as a codependent to a reformer in the Progressive vein that runs counter to her Blue Dog MIC cheerleading.

Other than their incompatibility, there are other candidates who are much more worthy that either of them. Edwards, Kucinich, Gravel, Paul, not necessarily in that rank are a factor of 100 more promising than the Stealth Republican and Mr. Too Accommodating.

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Support Hillary
Posted by: brucerise on Jan 20, 2008 6:54 PM   
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I am a Bismarck native, a lesbian and I am very much an ordinary citizen. My family consists of my partner Lisa, our 4-year-old daughter and me. We work, pay our taxes and go to church just like any other family. Lisa works full-time, I go to school full-time and stay home with our daughter. We think it's important that she have a stable home life. Three days a week our daughter goes to a preschool that is funded by a mainstream religious denomination. It's interesting that they can accept us as "ordinary," but Smith, who has never met us, cannot.

Want to be really ordinary citizen.Not the second class.
Bi,Gay,Lesbian
http://www.findbilover.com

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» RE: Support Hillary Posted by: SparkyClinton
The Real Problem
Posted by: SparkyClinton on Jan 20, 2008 7:27 PM   
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The real problem in this ticket is that Obama supporters are sexist and Hillary supporters are racist. They'll probably vote for a rich white guy like Edwards or Kucinich.

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This is not a new idea - Clinton Obama 08 buttons existed years ago
Posted by: thiapax on Jan 20, 2008 8:42 PM   
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I saw "in-the-know" party people wearing "Clinton-Obama 08" buttons at least four years ago, when "Hilary" was speaking in Santa Monica at a fundraiser for Democratic Senate campaigns, including that of Mr. Obama, who was also present.

In this world of ours where ALMOST everyone in politics has sold out, seeing those buttons years ago let me know who the "front runners" would be before they even declared they were running.

What a farce.

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Uh.... not now. I think. Time will tell.
Posted by: xbj on Jan 21, 2008 3:16 PM   
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If anyone wants PROOF that Obama really is a Republican, than this would just about be as good as video of him dancing cheek to cheek with Karl Rove.

IF it turns out to be true, and I am not for a single second presenting it as truth; if it is not TRUE, I'm sure it will be exposed as an internet hoax and debunked soon enough.

But I just saw it, so I'm passing it on. With no sense of glee either, I tell you. Just a sense of sadness at what possibly might have been.

And a word to the DNC: beware of people that seem too good to be true, and keep an eye out for more Trojan horses. And Judas Goats. Rove is far from finished.

Once again, a complete disclaimer; I have NO IDEA WHETHER THIS IS TRUE OR NOT AND WILL NOT MAKE A FINAL DECISION UNTIL POLYGRAPHS ARE ADMINISTERED. IF EVER.

But you'll all be hearing about it soon enough, I am sure.

I can't believe I'm saying this... I hope this is someone's bad idea of a joke. If is IS someone's idea of a bad joke, I would lay it right at the feet of Karl Rove himself. For mulitple reasons.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVeFVtcdSYY

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