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Election 2008

On Iraq, Front-Running Dem Senators' Records Match

By Maya Schenwar, TruthOut.org. Posted January 17, 2008.


Obama and Clinton have shared the same stance on all major Iraq votes since Obama entered the Senate.
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As leading candidates Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama head into the Nevada caucus, toting their bite-sized campaign slogans - "change," "hope," "experience" - the facts of their Senate pasts have faded from the scene. Though both pledge to end the war in Iraq, Obama has made his antiwar image a centerpiece of his campaign, drawing crowds of young supporters inspired by his initial opposition to the invasion. However, Clinton and Obama's war voting records in the Senate read virtually the same.

"One of the funny dynamics we've seen is Obama's people attacking Clinton by tying her to supporting the war," said Robert Naiman, senior policy analyst and national coordinator of Just Foreign Policy. "But it's hard to say whether there are any meaningful differences between the two of them."

Obama and Clinton have shared the same stance on all major Iraq votes since Obama entered the Senate. These include the approval of over $300 billion in no-strings-attached war funds. The only war spending bill that Clinton and Obama voted against was the 2007 version, which all four Senate presidential hopefuls balked at because a withdrawal timetable was removed from the legislation. A year before, both Obama and Clinton voted against attaching a timetable for withdrawal to war funding.

Beyond spending, Clinton and Obama both voted to confirm key players in the pro-war arena: Secretary of Defense Robert Gates, Secretary of Homeland Security Michael Chertoff and Director of National Intelligence John Negroponte, among others.

So what differentiates the two candidates on the war? Analysts have pointed to their positions on Iran: Clinton voted to declare the Iranian Revolutionary Guard a terrorist organization, while Obama did not, and Obama has encouraged diplomacy between the US and Iran, which, according to Naiman, could significantly aid in the stabilization of Iraq.

However, Obama did not vote against the Iranian Revolutionary Guard measure; he was campaigning in New Hampshire when the vote was taken. And Clinton has spoken out in favor of curbing the president's authority to singlehandedly initiate war on Iran.

It's what happened before Obama's Senate term that dominates the war-record comparison, according to independent foreign policy journalist Allan Nairn, who blogs at newsc.blogspot.com. In particular, Nairn said, Obama is boosted by an antiwar speech he made as a state senator in 2002, criticizing the invasion of Iraq before it began.

"That's the one thing that sets them apart," Nairn said. "That speech."

What They Say They'll Do

Both front-runners propose to begin withdrawing troops "immediately." This pledge for an initial withdrawal, though, would essentially continue status quo policy, and in itself is "not very meaningful," according to Naiman. Troop levels will be falling anyway as the surge ends.

Beyond that, the Obama campaign's Iraq proposal centers around a 16-month goal for bringing all "combat troops" home. It would leave troops in Iraq to protect the American embassy and execute "targeted strikes" on al-Qaeda. The "targeted strikes" language echoes a redeployment bill that was blocked by Republicans in the Senate in November. (Both Obama and Clinton voted to allow that bill to move forward.)

Obama's plan has the potential to efficiently end the war, although not as quickly as it could be ended, according to Stephen Zunes, a professor of politics at the University of San Francisco who also serves as the Middle East editor for Foreign Policy in Focus. He maintains that the key question is how the phrase "targeted strikes" is interpreted.

"In Obama's case, I'm guessing that it would be an option used only rarely - such as taking out a recently discovered bomb factory or a particularly notorious foreign cell responsible for terrorism - and not a cover for going after insurgents in general," Zunes said. "These would be small, hit-and-run, special-forces kinds of missions, not major ground offensives or sustained bombing campaigns."

However, the plan's open-endedness leaves some analysts skeptical. Calling for some troops to remain in Iraq without a date for withdrawal leaves open the possibility of a long-term presence. "Targeting al-Qaeda" is in itself a fuzzy proposition, leaving the location and extent of a possible attack ambiguous. Moreover, according to Nairn, allowing an unspecified number of soldiers to remain for embassy protection is grounds for concern.

"The embassy in Iraq is going to be the biggest embassy in the world," Nairn said. "Just protecting that vast complex could require a fairly substantial number of troops." Obama's plan does not specify the future of the more than 180,000 US-paid private mercenaries positioned in Iraq.

Clinton's plan similarly allows for an extended presence in Iraq and excludes mercenaries from the redeployment equation. Her proposal differs from Obama's in that it does not identify a goal date for withdrawal. It states that upon entering office, in addition to "immediately" beginning to bring troops home, Clinton would direct her advisers to draw up a withdrawal plan based on conditions at the time.

Although she has spoken in campaign speeches of ending the war as her "first and most important mission as president," Clinton has also endorsed a long-term limited troop presence. In a March interview with The New York Times, she stated that a "military as well as political mission" remains to be accomplished in Iraq.


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Maya Schenwar is a Chicago-based freelance writer and an editor for Publications International.

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The Problem is
Posted by: Rod on Jan 17, 2008 11:31 AM   
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The idiot Bush and Neo-Con masters broke the country. It will be in our best interest to fix it before we leave. How to accomplish that, is not being discussed. I do not know how it could happen either. But we need to accomplish that for our own good.

As an example: Russia broke Afganistan, and then left. In the power vacuum, the Taliban rose, gave safe haven to Osama, and the world trade centers fell.

We need to think this time, and exit cleanly so history does not repeat.

Rod

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» RE: The Problem is Posted by: carbon-based
Pottery Barn syndrome
Posted by: johnclark on Jan 18, 2008 11:38 AM   
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I think the clear difference between Obama and Clinton is his willingness to talk to Iran. The current administration has made it so bad that even Iranian moderates have had to distance themselves from us. After 911, the Iranian government gave us help and offered a peace deal, which the Bush administration rejected.

I remember telling Rep Hoyer what a war on Iraq would do to Iran and saw it come to pass. The only way that we can bring down Ahmadinejad is to end the saber rattling and sit down and talk. These talks have to put it all on the table, including the demand for a nuclear-free Middle East --- a position that even Syria has proposed. That would require us to face the reality that Israel is a nuclear power and force them to give up these weapons.

I told Van Hollen's aid (my rep) a few weeks ago that the nightmare scenario would be an Israeli attack on Iran, much like the 1981 attack on Iraq or the bombing of Syria last fall. This would provoke Ahmadinejad to retaliate on Israel and bring us into a war that nobody wants. In fact, many of us believe that the Israelis invaded Lebanon to provoke Syria which would bring Iran into a wider war. Clinton's vote for Kyl/Lieberman (read: Committee on the Present Danger) brings us closer to this nightmare. It's why so many of us have been pushing Rep. Abercrombie's Iran resolution (my reason for the visit to Van Hollen's office).

As for the mercenaries, Obama has been one of the leading voices in the Senate investigations of Blackwater (to the point that conspiracy-theory bloggers have suggested that they're out to assassinate him). He has spoken out on how their actions endanger the troops as well as the calling into question any new contracts for Blackwater.

That his plan calls for rapid deployment against al-Qaeda is only reasonable. We have not put the Iraqi army in a position to defend against them. If not the US, what other Iraqi ally has the military capability to protect the country from al-Queda? That would be Iran. It's easy to see who will fill the vacuum if we leave Iraq with helicopters on the embassy.

At this point, getting ourselves out of Iraq will require a lot of ceramic glue. It will require us to sit at the table with all the major players in the region. Didn't Clinton call Obama "naive" when he suggested it?

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And the bottom line is...
Posted by: alternetrose on Jan 18, 2008 12:17 PM   
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A well-written article, and your summation in the last paragraph says it all - "Without that, there's not likely to be much difference in Iraq policy whether Clinton or Obama wins - or whether a Democrat or Republican wins."

Please support REAL change, and that will take electing Dennis Kucinich.

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» RE: And the bottom line is... Posted by: hellofriends
OBAMA DEFENDS WAR FUNDING
Posted by: bbfmail on Jan 18, 2008 1:19 PM   
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From www.boston.com:

Obama defends votes in favor of Iraq funding
Says he backs troops, not war

By James W. Pindell and Rick Klein, Globe Staff

| March 22, 2007

Senator Barack Obama yesterday defended his votes on behalf of funding the Iraq war, asserting that he has always made clear that he supports funding for US troops despite his consistent opposition to the war.

"I have been very clear even as a candidate that, once we were in, that we were going to have some responsibility to make it work as best we could, and more importantly that our troops had the best resources they needed to get home safely," Obama, an Illinois Democrat, told reporters in a conference call. "So I don't think there is any contradiction there."

Obama's comments represent a direct response to attacks launched by aides to Senator Hillary Clinton of New York, who have pointed out that despite Obama's antiwar rhetoric, he has voted along with Clinton for some $300 billion in war funding since entering the Senate in 2005.

"In reality, when they both got to the Senate, Senator Obama's votes are exactly the same as Senator Clinton's," Clinton strategist Mark Penn said Monday at a Harvard University forum.

As a candidate for his Senate seat in 2003 and 2004, Obama said repeatedly that he would have voted against an $87 billion war budget that had been requested by President Bush.

"When I was asked, 'Would I have voted for the $87 billion,' I said 'no,' " Obama said in a speech before a Democratic community group in suburban Chicago in November 2003. "I said 'no' unequivocally because, at a certain point, we have to say no to George Bush. If we keep on getting steamrolled, we're not going to stand a chance."

Yet Obama has voted for all of the president's war funding requests since coming to the Senate, and is poised to vote in favor of the latest request when it comes to the Senate floor this spring. Liberal groups have demanded that lawmakers cut off funds for the war as a way to force its end, but Obama has joined most Democrats in the House and Senate in saying he would not take such a move.

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Promise me anything.
Posted by: Ellen Remore on Jan 18, 2008 3:17 PM   
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Leaving Iraq completely without an American military presence might serve to rein in, at least somewhat, the seemingly unstoppable trajectory of military imperialism that for some time, has rendered the American Commander-in-Chief the Most Powerful Person on earth.

And having witnessed the impunity with which Mr. Bush made himself absolutely corrupt, is our next president--he or she--likely to settle for less by surrendering a prime piece of real estate and finally leaving the Iraqis in peace?

In my opinion, an Executive autocracy is pretty much what the country deserves for not having massively thronged outside the Bush White House with torches and pitchforks when we had the chance.

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