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Election 2008

After New Hampshire: Voters, Not the Media, Will Crown Their Nominees

By Katrina vanden Heuvel, TheNation.com. Posted January 10, 2008.


For now, the race is wide open, and that's a good thing.
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What really happened in New Hampshire? First -- forget what the polls say if you want to know what happens next. Forget the establishment media, too.

For now, the race is wide open. And that's a good thing. (Though, if we'd really bust open our money-drenched, front-loaded system, we'd really see elections of, by and for the people. But that's for the emerging pro-democracy movement, allied with sane citizens of all political stripes, to fight for next round.)

For now, candidates will be tested instead of crowned. And that gives us time to push from outside to define and sharpen candidates' stance on issues we care about as progressives. From a sane and humane immigration policy as we go to Nevada, a more populist jobs and economics program as we head into recession, and a sharper end-the-war strategy to stop the "strategic drift."

I'm still left with questions about how Hillary pulled off a win against Obama on Tuesday night -- and what that means heading into Nevada's caucuses, South Carolina's primary and the tsunami of 22 primaries and caucuses on February 5.

Why Hillary Won

1. Home court advantage: Clinton is well known in the Granite State; neither Edwards nor Obama much history there.

2. The women's vote: Women over 40, single women came home to Hillary, by a margin of 57 percent. Was it in response to the misty-eyed "human" moment in the coffee shop? Or in response to her more fiery, human and impassioned performance in Saturday's Manchester debate? Did Obama's peevish aside -- "You're likable enough, Hillary" -- resonate more than we understood at time? (Exit polls show that about half of those who voted said the debates were very important in their vote; Hillary won among these voters by a 40-32 margin. Among those who didn't think debate was very important, Hillary and Obama tied.) The heavily funded and super-organized field operations of Emily's List's paid off here after floundering in Iowa.

3. Registered Democrats support her bigtime: This augurs badly for Obama in those primaries which are closed to independents. And if more independents went to McCain, could that explain Obama's showing even more than what some call "The Bradley Effect"?

4. Boomers and older voters: The age slant of voting suggests boomers are resisting being pushed offstage. Andrew Sullivan may have underestimated the investment boomers have in their battles. They're not going to give it up just yet to the whippersnappers.

Dangers for Hillary

1. Bill was on the field and she made a comeback: Ergo, she'll keep Bill on the field. But as a boomer woman, I think her husband hurts her more than he helps. Hillary needs to make a forceful case for why voting for her -- the first woman president -- is about making history. Bill undermines that message, making her candidacy a referendum on his presidency, fueling the idea that she's completing a restoration, paternalizing and belittling the "little woman."

Hillary's candidacy is at risk, as Slate's Emily Yoffe recently pointed out, because it begins to look less like a gender breakthrough and more like a gender throwback. And he always ends up making himself the story.

2. She can't fire Bill, but she can fire Mark Penn: Penn's strategy and message peddles cynicism against hope, and as head of the lobbying form Burson-Marsteller embodies the lobbying corruption and corporate stranglehold Americans asssociate with the beltway status quo.

3. Hillary gains when she's picked on: This dynamic played out during impeachment madness, and was theme of first Senate race. Women -- with some notable media exceptions, like Maureen Dowd -- rally to her when she's treated badly. No question that the media has a double standard when it comes to women and tears in public life. But is this going to be how we want to reframe the powerful and mobilizing idea, "the personal is political" ? And is victimhood an effective argument for her campaign? I think it will wear out its effect.

4. Why, exactly, is she running? To say, "This is personal to me. I have so many things I want to do," doesn't really explain it. She needs to throw out Mark Penn and the pollsters, exile Bill to a few choice spots, and lay out a big case about what she wants to do over the next four years, not what she's done for the past three decades.

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Katrina vanden Heuvel is editor of The Nation.

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RE: Electorial fraud.....
Posted by: Smiggsy on Jan 10, 2008 12:17 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Is it not important that any candidate nominated for the presidential election has at least the backbone to contest any potential vote rigging. It seems the previous two Democrat, whilst fine upstanding candidates did little to contest the close & somewhat corrupted vote results.

Electronic voting is great if you are the one controlling the machines.

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» RE: lectorial fraud..... Posted by: Hovey
» RE: lectorial fraud..... Posted by: EncinoM
» RE: Electorial fraud. Posted by: PaulK
And Now A Word From Our Sponsor...
Posted by: NoPCZone on Jan 10, 2008 3:21 AM   
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This Clinton victory was brought to you by Diebold.
Yep, the one and the same.

if this were a general election and the polls diverged so greatly, what would you be thinking right about now?

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» And Now A Vote From Our Sponsor... Posted by: ProgressiveManiac
Media with egg on their face
Posted by: Sissy on Jan 10, 2008 5:37 AM   
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I started watching the election news on MSNBC before the polls were closed. All the "big guns" were there. Mathews, Russert, Brokow, Scarborough, etc. It was all about "how bad is Hillary going to get beat"? Or, "Double digit loss is predicted", Or "How will she be able to go on after losing her so-called 'firewall'"? As the Returns were coming in it was "its early yet, too close to call" and on and on.

I don't think any of the media, even Fox Noise have got a grip on the Main Street America and how utterly angry and frustrated we are out here. It wasn't too many years ago that "predictions" were made before polls even closed and we all followed like sheep. For this time at least, no more. If there is nothing else positive in this whole process, people are getting involved and no one can stop the momentum. To be truthful, I don't even think that Corporate America has an edge this time. If they did, Romney would be the front runner hands down as he has been, and is their annointed candidate. Its not happening so far and that is so good.

So whail away you media folks. I think for this time at least, the citizens are back in control, or getting close to it.

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» Ironic isn't it? Posted by: ProgressiveManiac
» RE: We still do follow like sheep Posted by: rfrancis@godisdead.com
Diebold favors Clinton analysis + Hillarys out of state supporters get the news on how to make her a
Posted by: DanielleClarke on Jan 10, 2008 5:46 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Diebold favors Clinton analysis + Hillarys out of state supporters get the news on how to make her a winner


Diebold favors Clinton analysis

I used the Comma delimited database: NH municipalities hand count vs use Diebold machines from BlackBoxVoting.org to see if there was a deviation between the results from precincts which used hand counts and those which relied on Diebold machines. The results were astonishing. :
Updated: 5:05 AM (EST) - Results tallied for 209 out of 236 of the municipalities.

By Percentage
Method
Diebold Machines Clinton 53.23% Obama:46.77%
Hand Count 47.47% 52.53%

By Votes
Method
Diebold Machines Clinton,82860 Obama, 72807
Hand Count Clinaton, 18898 Obama, 20912

About 81% of the votes will be "counted" by the Diebold machines.
Source:http://presscue.com/node/38034
By Number of Municipalities Won
Method
Diebold Machines Clinton,54 Obama,33
Hand Count Clinton,43 Obama, 77

About 81% of the votes will be "counted" by the Diebold machines.


Hillarys out of state supporters get the news on how to make her a winner in NH

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HOW TO REGISTER
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2) It may be easier for you to register with your
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You will be asked to show proof of age, citizenship,
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Are We Satisfied?
Posted by: johnjmccarthy on Jan 10, 2008 5:52 AM   
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I personally find it unconsionable that the polls taken by ten different survey houses were virtually dead on accurate on the potential outcome for polls vs votes cast for every presidential candidate except Obama and Clinton.

The 7 to 10% advantage for Obama in the polling gleaned from these pollsters was converted to a +2% vote count for Clinton. That is the reason many voters are suspect in the count. And now the "blame game" shifts to the pollsters who are slammed for their evil crystal balling. What about the close polling/voting for other canidates, eh?

"It's not who votes that counts, it's who counts the votes". --Stalin

Are we just supposed to roll over, again, as we did to the realization that the Gore vote in Florida at one precinct registered -2500 votes on the Diebold system? And then Gore himself caved in as a good Skull and Bones fellow should. Puke.

I would hate to know that my bank deposit was manipulated in such a manner. What's wrong with using the same computer software that the banks use to add and minus OUR bank account balances to count the votes? Would Gore accept the fact that his and the Heinz account was all of a sudden short 2.5 million dollars?

In reality, when (not if) Clinton is given already +1500 votes programmed into the Diebold system to Obama's -1500 votes before the final count begins, it matters not a twit whether those bodies are counted as they exit the precint station; the damage is already done. That manipulation can be in the computer or in the memory cards fed into the final computer.

What we are stuck with is the long held premise that we MUST vote "in secret". That misnomer allows and encourages vote manipulation even before computer vote counting emerged. The implied 'fear' was expressed by making voters feel that their employers might find out how they voted and retaliate for such impertenant action. BS! If that were true, there would be no exit polling. Those reporters inquiring as to how a person voted would be told "my vote is a secret and none of your *xomflsmt* business". Oh, my, what would the MSM do?! But without such exit polling we would never see such discrepencies! So why not eliminate secret voting?

Some folks in New Hampshire voted for Ron Paul only to read in the media that no votes were recored for Paul in the voting precinct of their little town. What can Diebold say to assuage the concerns of these 'disinfranchised' voters? (Shut up and go home. You don't count anymore) Can we extrapolate that into every other precinct in the State? How about in the whole damn country?

Cui Bono in all of this? Certainly the person who sits in the White House. But beyond that who benefits? Vatican, Bildebergs, a High Cabal somewhere including these powers and others?

Certainly now we Americans. We are just the voting pawns blinded by Patriotism, the Patriot Act, the War Powers Act and our country at war after preemptively invading two sovereign nations in violation of the Nuremberg Findings that the US signed in 1950.

I really don't think the status quo is going to see any meaningful change on the voting controversy so we might as well sit back and watch the powers that be manipulate us into our graves. That means we can resign our concerns for our individual voting having any impact on who sits in the oval orfice. That will sure make the power elite happy so we can all go back to sleep for another four years.

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» RE: Are We Satisfied? Posted by: hilaryuk
I dream of a progressive decade.
Posted by: Sojourner on Jan 10, 2008 6:09 AM   
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Hillary's the only one on the ballot in Michigan, so it's a throwaway for Barack. The South Carolina contest will help us see whether the Old South has anything new to offer to the Demos.

Unfortunately, both H and B are providing the GOP with plenty of nasty sound bites. But Kerry's peaceful contest was not enough to win, so let the chips fall.

Unmentioned is that Bill does distract because he represents the dynasty factor. But I begin to hope with an imagined Clinton/Obama ticket. The GOP mess created to reverse the New Deal might be cleaned up rather quickly with so much political clout operating in DC.

And it would set up Obama in eight years when he's what, 52? It could get really exciting.

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MORE UPSET OVER THE MEDIA THAN THE ELECTION
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Jan 10, 2008 6:41 AM   
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What's more important? Alot of media people look like the jerks thay are anyway. We have a white woman and a black man included in the race. People are entitled to their private reasons for the way they vote. We don't owe the media a reputation for accuracy. If it's the voting machines, let's go back to paper. This circus is unecessary and has nothing to do with who won or lost. The media has to mind its own business. Thanks, ANNA

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» the irony of Hillary Posted by: MobileSucks
» RE: the irony of Hillary Posted by: EdinIowa
Lemming Lynch Mob
Posted by: ScottP on Jan 10, 2008 9:03 AM   
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The voters seem to be a cross between lemmings and a lynch mob. The media wants war, Hillary wants war, Obama wants war, Romney wants war, Huckabee want war, McCain wants war, and the voters will follow them over the cliff, pitchforks in hand.

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I live in NH and I voted for Hillary
Posted by: byron on Jan 10, 2008 9:49 AM   
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because I like her proposals to fix Bush's mess. My vote had nothing to do with any of your "insights." It's hilarious (pun intended) that even Alternet doesn't get Hillary. Instead of presenting the candidates fairly, it has a love affair with Obama.

There's less to Obama than meets the eye.

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Hillary's "Iron My Shirt" Guys. Were they plants?
Posted by: haystack1317 on Jan 10, 2008 10:30 AM   
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Think about it. If the vote counts were indeed accurate, Hillary turned it around mainly through reminding people that, as a woman, she was something of an underdog herself. The guys that turned up with the "Iron My Shirt" signs on Monday were supposedly heckling her out of their own self-interest. Why would someone do that in the Democratic primary? Why would such sexists perform this stunt, which would never hurt Hillary and could only help her by galvanizing women and others who react strongly to sexism. Think about it. They are not TRYING to get Republicans to vote now. If they were trying to remind conservatives about Hillary's theoretical flaws a a female, they would have zero reason to do it in the Democratic Primary. It could only have influence on Democrats at this point, and it's obvious that it could only influence Democrats by rallying them to Hillary's side. No Democrat is going to read those signs and say "Yeah, I think she should be ironing my shirt." It was 100% in Clinton's favor.

So, follow the trail. Who did this help? Hillary, only. Do you think the stakes are not high enough to resort to this type of thing? If so, have you looked at political history at all? Americans have done things like blow up ships with American soldiers on them to gain the most powerful office in the world. Clinton is as directly tied to those who seek power at all cost as anybody.

Do not make the mistake of putting her above manipulation. Her so-called "teary" moment made everyone feel sorry for her and the "iron my shirt" guys rallied women and many others. The vote count may be inaccurate too, but one thing is certain ---- Do not underestimate what Clinton would do to gain the White House.

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Media did and will control
Posted by: Maryanne on Jan 10, 2008 12:24 PM   
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This could have been a real opportunity to pick the right person for President since there is no incumbent. However, the media have paid attention to only a few candidates they chose- and those with the most money. (We need publicly funded elections to get the best people to run).

The attention to whom the media pays or does not pay influences the voting. In our experience, we have found that no one was even aware that Kucinich was running for president; they were unaware that such a person even exists.

Richardson appears to be the candidate with a variety of experiences- governing, dilomacy, anti-war, etc. Today he drops out. No attention was paid to the fact that he was so qualified.

Edwards is all but ignored, even though he has a well thought out plan regarding a number of issues that need to be addressed. Obama has charm and uplifting rhetoric. But where is the specific plan? As far as we voters are concerned he is no longer important- the choice is Hillary or Obama.

Another concern are the caucuses and primaries, scattered throughout the month. Before one even gets a chance to vote on the candidate that one is interested in, that person withdraws from the running because he is "second tier" and hasn't made it. Had they been given the same amount of attention that the "top runners" get, would that person necessarily withdraw?

Thus, the early primaries deprive the rest of the country the choice that was possible. Either all the primaries and caucuses should be on the same day- or we should go back to the convention selection of candidates.

Out of a slate of 8 Democrats, we now have Hillary and Obama. Kucinich will never get the attention he deserves, and the media is ignoring what Edwards has to offer.

Whomever you want to choose is limited, not by your choice but by the media, and by thecandidates ability to raise money, which also is influenced by the amount of attention the media gives a candidate.

Elections are flawed due to violations; even the primaries are compromised. This is democracy? Don't think so.

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Race Wide Shut
Posted by: MobileSucks on Jan 10, 2008 12:47 PM   
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"After New Hampshire: Voters, Not the Media, Will Crown Their Nominees"

"For now, the race is wide open, and that's a good thing."

Yea, the race is wide open between Obama and Hillary. The MSM paid as little attention as it could to the others and when it did acknowledge their candidacies made a point to (one way or another) dismiss them. They do pay attention to Edwards, especially his hair.

The media pretty much already decided who will be the nominee -either Clinton or Obama. And who didn't know it would be one of these two months ago? We voters were more or less informed of our real choice by the media.

And Katrina vanden Heuvel's piece again reminds us of our choice -between Clinton and Obama.
You decide.

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Voters, Not the Media, Will Crown Their Nominees -- come again?
Posted by: jtellerelsberg on Jan 10, 2008 2:27 PM   
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Ummm, and the media had nothing to do with setting Clinton and Obama up as "the" viable nominees in the first place? I don't mind terribly if either of them is elected, but it's not as if "the voters" made them the top dogs. The voters might have bucked a mild media tendency towards one of the anointed in the media-created oligarchy, but that does not mean the options seen by the voters came out of true grassroots representation.

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Two horse race, 3 horses have scratched
Posted by: Trazom on Jan 10, 2008 6:10 PM   
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For now, the race is wide open. And that's a good thing.

Excuse me? Race wide open? Last time I checked the most progressive candidate among all of them, none other than Dennis Kucinich, has been summarily dismissed, ignored, laughed at, and cast aside. And almost as bad, the next most progressive candidate, Edwards, is losing ground and is being ignored more and more by the media.

Only Obama and Clinton are the media darlings. It has already been decided by the media. It is so completely obvious to any casual observer that the others are inconsequential that one would have to be all but brain dead not to notice this.

I saw video of one of the precincts for the Iowa caucus. They needed 70 people to make a particular candidate viable. There were over 100 people a piece for Clinton, Obama and Edwards. For Kucinich? Three lonely souls gathered in the center of the gymnasium. Is this really how the people feel? Or is it just that no one really knows who he is?

If the answer is the latter, then it is truly over, because now he can no longer get his message out.

This institution of voting is being crippled by the influence of the media. We the people need to oust them however we can.

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Open letter to Bill Richardson - who just withdrew from the race.
Posted by: chorton on Jan 10, 2008 6:11 PM   
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Good run, Bill, we'll miss your voice on the campaign trail.

We need you now to speak out about the role the media played in killing your campaign. I know this runs the risk of making you look like a whiner and a bad loser, but there is an important national interest involved, and you have a duty to talk about it.

No one is more aware than you that the major media decided early on that this would be a three-way - or even a two-way - race. They gave most of the attention and coverage, and the lion's share of debate time, to their chosen celebrities, and often talked about the campaign as if the other candidates weren't there. A great many voters took the cue that these three - or two - were the candidates worthy of their attention, the "electable" ones. This was a gross abuse of the corporate media's near-monopoly power over the information most of the voters were receiving, and should be a matter of grave national concern.

I didn't agree with you on many issues, but it was clear to me that you were by far the most qualified candidate of either party, with broad, solid experience in state and national government, foreign affairs and energy policy, direct experience with immigration and trade and solid relationships with national and world players. Plus, there was a great human interest angle here of the first "major" Hispanic candidate. Yet the media largely ignored you. The only likely explanation that I can see for your campaign being given the "Kucinich treatment" was your commitment to bringing all of our troops home from Iraq quickly.

You should acknowledge - at least to yourself -that you played into this. Not only didn't you publicly challenge or confront this rigging of the game, you actively participated by discussing the race as if Kucinich and Gravel - or Biden and Dodd for that matter - weren't there, trying to get yourself included as one of the "major candidates". In hindsight, you no doubt can see that this was futile. The fix was in, and this needed to be confronted head-on.

The abuse of power by the corporate media in political campaigns needs to be exposed and challenged, and this needs to become part of the national conversation. At least as much as the power of the lobbyists and the big-money contributers, it is destroying American democracy. Please speak out about it.

With admiration and respect

Chris Horton

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couple thoughts from NH...
Posted by: lexicon on Jan 11, 2008 12:10 AM   
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Hello, from NH.

First, on the "iron my shirt" thing. I am led to understand that it was a couple of "morning DJ madcap mayhem" idiots.

If it WAS a plant by the Hillary campaign, then it was damn clumsy. As the event security finally got the sign away from the guys, A decidedly wooden Hillary blurts out "oh, I get it...its SEXISM."

Oh, please.

If it was planned, then she IS an idiot. Now, if she had had a proper retort...

"Sure, I'll iron your shirt. You don't even have to take it off first".

Or,

"pardon me, but you've apparently mistaken me for a house-wife. Actually, I'm a senate-wife."

Any good retort like that, and she would OWN the topic for the rest of the campaign season. But instead, we get a wooden, insipid response.

that's what leads me to believe that her campaign had nothing to do with it.

Secondly, I believe I have some insight into the polls. As a resident of NH, and a registered independent at that, I have been BLITZKRIEGED by the candidates and their campaigns. I've spoken with perhaps a hundred (!!!) Obama supporters on the phone, call-ins, not one of which was actually from NH. I've received a barrel full of campaign brochures. And if you wonder if Clinton has "gone negative"...yes, she most certainly has, with some pretty blatant misrepresentations of Obama's words.

Oh, and on the topic of barrels of trash... Here it is, several days after the election. On Monday, our snowbanks were FESTOONED with campaign signs...more signs than snowflakes.

..and everyone pretty much has picked them up...

....EXCEPT ROMNEY.

Apparently we get to "enjoy" the Rommney litter through the spring and summer...

Note to Romney: PICK UP YER DARN TRASH!!!!!!!


thanks, from nh

lexicon

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talent wins out
Posted by: lenteach on Jan 11, 2008 11:12 AM   
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Instead of all the agonizing analysis about why this happened and why that happened,was it the teariness,or the feminism or the economy or god knows what,what if it was just the plain old truth,too simple for the talking heads to even see because their mouths never stop,that the voters looked at three people and actually voted for the best one,as in"may the best man/woman win" and the best one did just that.she won because she is the best,however that plays out in anyones mindset.Whatever passes for best in America these days is too varied,complex or mystical to fathom and no matter.Whatever anyone thinks makes you"best" the truth is that the "best" won and that is that.So stop all the tortured and longwinded speeches and concentrate on ability,talent,grit,you know,the things that made Sugar Ray Robinson the best boxer ever,or Babe Ruth the best hitter ever,or TeddyRoosevelt the best Republican pres. ever or what ever made anyone the best at anything they did,better than any of the others on the field at the time.Hillary,right now,is the best and she won because enough voters saw it.Hopefully they will continue to see it and we won't get stuck with another IQ challenged oval office occupant.But if we do,it will be because we are an IQ challenged people and its as simple as that.PERIOD!

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Barack Obama Won New Hampshire!
Posted by: PaulK on Jan 11, 2008 11:36 AM   
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Please, Alternet, cover this claim. Put it out in the open.

News Updates from Citizens for Legitimate Government
09 Jan 2008
http://www.legitgov.org/
http://www.legitgov.org/index.html#breaking_news
Where Paper Prevailed, Different Results By Lori Price 09 Jan 2008
2008 New Hampshire Democratic Primary Results --Total Democratic Votes: 286,139 - Machine vs Hand (RonRox.com) 09 Jan 2008
Hillary Clinton, Diebold Accuvote optical scan: 39.618%
Clinton, Hand Counted Paper Ballots: 34.908%
Barack Obama, Diebold Accuvote optical scan: 36.309%
Obama, Hand Counted Paper Ballots: 38.617%
Machine vs Hand:
Clinton: 4.709% (13,475 votes)
Obama: -2.308% (-6,604 votes)

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at least its didnt end in jan, other explanation
Posted by: whealeydj on Jan 11, 2008 2:19 PM   
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i prefer kucinich over edwards, edwards over obama, obama over clinton. i am glad the election did not end on jan 8 and that the rest of the country will have a chance to select the nominee. there is a difference between a poll or a caucus and a secret ballot. closet racists wont admit they won't vote for obama so a secret ballot helps Clinton whereas in a caucus you have to openly stand up for your candidate and you might be less willing to seem to be a racist. Also the tears and the shirt and the debate all occurred after polls showing obama with a lead in the polls, so some people changed their mind in reaction to the events. the diebold vs paper is an interesting claim but there may be a more straightforward for difference. Who selected diebold in the county/precinct? in ohio, my state, the republicans favored diebold so perhaps those counties that chose diebold are more inclined to be conservative republicans or crypto republicans like DLC Clintonites, so they consequently chose to vote HR clinton; it might be demographics rather than the machines vs paper

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Nation Editor Clearly IDs Her Rag is Not MSM...?
Posted by: LookOut on Jan 11, 2008 3:53 PM   
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And proceeds to tell us "the race is wide open" with handpicked neo-cons fully backed by Fascist monopoly corporate sponsors on all sides (Kucinich the only exception on the "left")

Very funny.

This is pure and vacant bathos. The litany and detail of deception Van Heuvel rolls out could have been written by any DC apparatchik (and was).


J Skousen does political analysis I don't necessarily agree with but he has this election pegged:

"If the establish media does its job right and if the power brokers have selected an electable candidate (with name recognition, charisma, and lack of principles sufficient to follow orders), the election is usually a done deal by the time the early primaries are finished. The anointed ones from each party are designated "front runners" before the primaries and that is usually enough to sway the voters of the first few primaries to ratify that view. Then the media declare the respective winners as "unstoppable" --having a "mandate from the people."

This kind of manipulation is possible because, in the absence of accurate knowledge and solid reasoning, a significant amount of swing voters tend to follow whoever is perceived to be winning (within their general political proclivity--liberal or conservative). Only a small percentage of dedicated liberals on the Left and constitutional conservatives on the Right understand the actual criteria behind their choices and make decisions based upon that analysis. Only this small percentage of Americans are highly resistant to media bias. Mainstream, soft thinking liberals and conservatives are easily swayed to some extent because they don't have a good concept of the details either in perception or analysis which would allow them to see contradictions in what is presented to them... You can tell by the depth of globalist advisors who is really in the establishment camp. Huckabee, Edwards and Romney have the fewest. McCain, Clinton and Giuliani have the most and the worst. Obama has the holdovers from the Carter administration-another indication that he may not be the globalists' intended winner."


In other words it’s a game of corrupt actors leading the brainwashed through another empty season of rigged election, doubletalk and slogans for Fascist corporate crime.

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