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The Return of the SwiftBoaters
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Research by The Nation into Federal Election Commission records of the group's top twenty donors reveals that they've been remarkably active in this cycle, contributing and bundling nearly $200,000 to presidential candidates. This does not bode well. During the last presidential campaign, the wealthy backers of Swift Boat Veterans for Truth--now rebranded as Swift Vets and POWs for Truth--didn't do their real dirty work until the general election, where as a tax-exempt 527 group they operated outside the restraints of direct campaign contributions. We may wish we were done with the Swift Boaters, but they aren't done with us.
In 2004 the top twenty donors all gave (with one exception) at least $50,000 to the group. The top three--Houston home builder Bob Perry, Texas oilman T. Boone Pickens and billionaire drugstore impresario and investor Harold Simmons--gave a combined $9.5 million ($4.45 million, $3 million and $2 million, respectively). Calculating the influence of these and the slightly less wealthy Swift Boat donors during this cycle is a touch more complicated than simply adding up their contributions. Each one exerts far more influence as a bundler, given the federal restrictions on individual giving, which limit donors to a maximum of $4,600 per cycle. So The Nation looked not only at the contributions of the donors themselves but also at those of their family members and employees. It's an imperfect method, since some employees are clearly contributing of their own volition (such as one employee of a Simmons company who gave money to Hillary Clinton), but it gives a rough estimate of who's backing whom and to what extent.
The most notable recipient of Swift Boat largesse is John McCain, erstwhile front-runner and Stand Up Guy. When the Swift Boat ads were first unleashed, McCain was alone among his Republican colleagues to condemn them. A fellow Vietnam veteran, a good friend of Kerry's and a former target of smears about his own service, McCain called the ads "dishonest and dishonorable," a "cheap stunt," and he urged Bush to condemn them. But in pursuit of the GOP nomination, McCain ditched the mantle of maverick for that of hack, and his once-floundering, possibly rejuvenated campaign has been aided along the way by $61,650 from Swift Boat donors and their associates. "There is such a thing as dirty money," said Senator Kerry in a statement, after The Nation informed him of McCain's FEC records. "I'm surprised that the John McCain I knew who was smeared in 2000 and thought so-called Swift Boating was wrong in 2004 would feel comfortable taking their money after seeing the way it was used to hurt the veterans I know he loves." (McCain's office did not return calls for comment.)
McCain's Swift Boat bounty is exceeded only by that of Mitt Romney, who has raked in $70,550. Romney's success with Swift Boat donors is significant because he has surpassed even McCain in his demonstrated willingness to do or say anything in pursuit of the presidency and because he has emerged as the GOP establishment's favored candidate. Last year, when McCain held that position, the Arizona senator received significant backing from Swift Boat donors. But many have subsequently switched their allegiance. Pickens, who donated to McCain in June 2006, is now an enthusiastic Giuliani donor and fundraiser (Giuliani ranks third in Swift Boat funding, with $47,950). Perry, who also recorded several donations to McCain's PAC in 2005 and 2006, is now a major donor and fundraiser for Romney. If the list of top Swift Boat donors is expanded to fifty, Romney's fundraising edge is even more pronounced. (Neither Romney nor Giuliani's campaign returned calls for comment.)
Also noticeable among the recipients of Swift Boat largesse is one who received only a single donation: Mike Huckabee. Despite meager fundraising and little national name recognition, the former Arkansas governor has experienced a bubble-like expansion of support and media attention, taking the lead in Iowa and approaching a steady lead in national polls. But the lack of Swift Boat contributions lends credence to the claim that Huckabee is viewed warily by the money men who call the shots in the modern GOP. Despite proposing a radically regressive tax change and taking Grover Norquist's antitax pledge, he's been attacked savagely by the Club for Growth and eviscerated by columnist George Will for "comprehensive apostasy against core Republican beliefs," among them "free trade, low taxes, the essential legitimacy of America's corporate entities and the market system allocating wealth and opportunity."
This all supports the notion that the people behind the Swift Boat operation are chiefly concerned with the continued upward redistribution of wealth that is, more or less, the contemporary GOP's raison d'être. In 2006 Perry ponied up $5 million to start the Economic Freedom Fund, a 527 group devoted to attacking Democratic incumbents, and landed a large donation from prominent Swift Boat donor Carl Lindner. All of which is to say that the Swift Boaters aren't some kind of side show, a coterie of vicious mudslingers operating at the edges of respectability. They are the show. They are modern conservatism's core funders and beneficiaries. With conservatives staring straight into the abyss, their activities in this election cycle could very well make the Swift Boat smears look tame by comparison.
This report was produced with support of The Nation Institute Investigative Fund. Additional research was provided by Nicholas Jahr.
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Posted by: BillDouglas on Jan 5, 2008 3:09 AM
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But, I can see beyond the corporate media false left/right creation. The "liberal" talking points are already being strategically placed by so called "left" media to tear progressive voters away from the most progressive candidate in our lifetimes, at least adult lifetimes. Ron Paul threatens the foundations of the American military empire, and corrupt corporate economics that keep us all down . . .
On the anniversary of the Boston Tea Party, I donated to my first Republican candidate. I officially joined the Ron Paul revolution!
Ron Paul is threatening the American military empire in ways no Democrat of our time has ever been able to do. I don’t diminish Dennis Kucinich and Mike Gravel’s efforts, they have been courageous. However, they are limited by their party, which I've given much of my life to supporting.
Of course the Democratic machine got rid of Gravel (the man who ended the draft during Vietnam) early, and with the Iowa Democratic Gestapo (I mean Party), we’ve now seen them do the same with Kucinich excluding him from the debates. The party lamely blamed it on the Des Moines Register, but I think we all know that the Dem Party could have insisted, if they wanted to have all their candidates present.
I could NOT vote for another Republican, unless Ron Paul is the candidate, because I think we all know the GOP is completely corrupted, except for the shining knight that is Ron Paul.
However, my disillusionment with the Democrats began long ago. Many years ago former California governor, Jerry Brown, decided to run for the State Chair of the California Democratic Party. I was hired on his campaign as a professional staff member. We won. He got the Chairmanship.
Years later, I became a full time volunteer for Jerry Brown’s bid for the Democratic nomination for President. I came back to politics as a volunteer because Brown had the revolutionary idea of not accepting a donation over $100.
He traveled on a budget and stayed in ordinary people’s homes. He said when he was state chair of the California Democratic Party, he’d raised more money than any chair in history. But, no matter how much he raised, they always needed more. He said you lose touch with ordinary people, when you can only take time to sit down with those who can write a multi-thousand dollar check.
Brown was made fun of by corporate media. Sound familiar? Ala Kucinich, Gravel, and Ron Paul? THEN, Brown won the primary in Colorado, defeating candidate Bill Clinton. It shook the foundations of the power structure that runs this country. They acted fast, and with a sledge hammer.
Immediately Ted Koppel of Nightline, a huge influence in the nation before cable news dominated . . . had on several “masked men” who would not reveal their identity. They “claimed” to be former Governor Brown’s body guards when he was governor. They “claimed” he’d held wild pot parties at his Laurel Canyon home back then.
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» RE: The Swiftboating Began A While Back ON RON PAUL !!
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» Ron Paul: "an outright federal ban on abortion, done properly via a constitutional amendment "
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» RE: on Paul: "an outright federal ban on abortion, done properly via a constitutional amendment "
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» Oh, that's a relief!
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» Ron Paul certainly disagrees with you, left_lib
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» RE: on Paul: "an outright federal ban on abortion, done properly via a constitutional amendment "
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» Why should anyone believe what you say?
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» RE: Why should anyone believe what you say?come again?
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» Personal narratives by anonymous bloggers?
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» RE: donl51, when a troll attack from the ron paul fanatics invades Alternet in force
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» The "LEFT / RIGHT" Paradigm is Designed to FOOL YOU into allowing the CIA Militarist Empire to Conti
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» Edwards is being branded as paranoid!!! Ron Paul is history
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» RE: dwards is being branded as paranoid!!! Ron Paul is history
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» RE: dwards is being branded as paranoid!!! Ron Paul is history
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» RE:Why do Texans continue to buy houses from perry the head hog of the swiftboaters?
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» RE: The Swiftboating Began A While Back ON RON PAUL !!
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» RE: The Swiftboating Began A While Back ON RON PAUL !!
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» RE: The Swiftboating Began A While Back ON RON PAUL !!
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Posted by: BillDouglas on Jan 5, 2008 3:10 AM
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When I went to the Orange County Democratic Party headquarters to get precinct maps for our Brown for President campaign, I was denied them by smug party officials. I was ordered out when I began yelling the fact that the Clinton campaign was being given preferential treatment by the party hacks.
So, the Democratic Party sold out long ago. If the chosen ones, Obama or Hillary, and maybe Edwards gets elected, they will slightly change spending priorities but leave the American military empire fully intact. Corporate globalist money will remain completely in charge.
However, if Ron Paul gets elected, all US troops from worldwide will be ordered home. The oppression of developing country workers by corrupt governments backed up by the CIA and US military will die a timely death. Workers will organize, and slave labor markets, which drive down the US worker’s standard of living will be no more.
Since over 50% of US federal discretionary spending goes to military, President Ron Paul’s actions will result in a deluge of savings that will dramatically improve the standard of living in America. Democrats would NEVER make such a change, at least not the ones the Party doesn’t silence with their many dirty tricks.
However, the “liberal” or “left” media will fight tooth and nail to damage Ron Paul in any way they can. They’ve already began smear campaigns. They’ve tried to character assassinate him with pathetic guilt by association campaigns, such as “white supremacists support Ron Paul,” or “Ron Paul will outlaw abortion.”
Tucker Carlson “of the right” did his best to smear Ron Paul as well, when he personally picked up a brothel owner, and took him to a Ron Paul rally, so he could then release a media report that said “brothel owners support Ron Paul.”
The fact is that President Ron Paul will not affect abortion rights because he doesn’t believe that is the President’s role. A President is incapable of outlawing abortion, only the Supreme Court and/or Congress could do so. The GOP really never wanted to outlaw abortion, oh some Congresspeople or Senators may really feel against it, but the Party machine needs it to get poor whites, some poor blacks and Hispanics to vote against their own interest election after elections. The GOP had absolute control of all three branches of power during Reagan and Bush II. Did they outlaw abortion? NOPE. They never will. They need it.
However, they will use it to manipulate liberals and progressives into being against Ron Paul and they’ll spew this misinformation out through the liberal media. I’ve grown suspicious of the “liberal” media that I once believed in, since I’ve seen them attack anyone who questions the official story of 9/11. William Colby, a former CIA Director, once admitted to America, “there is no media of any significance in the US that is not controlled by the CIA.” That would include significant left media. Why would they leave liberal media un-infiltrated? They wouldn’t.
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» ron Paul: "restore respect for unborn life by criminalizing the act of abortion. "
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» It's ANTI-CHOICE not Pro-life
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» RE: It's ANTI-CHOICE not Pro-life NO SUCH THING
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» RE: It's ANTI-CHOICE not Pro-life NO SUCH THING
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» "American fascism will come wrapped in a flag carrying a cross," says RON PAUL ON MEET THE PRESS !!!
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» SOME HERE want you to dismiss RON PAUL, without HEARING HIM - Take 2 min.s, "Bill Moyer w/ Ron Paul"
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» RE: Please, dismiss RON PAUL, he's a right wing looney.
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» Moyers blew it by not asking Ron paul about abortion
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» RE: Moyers blew it by not asking Ron paul about abortion
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» I think I'm in my 309th month. My son is getting up there. I'll keep quoting Ron Paul, though
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Posted by: BillDouglas on Jan 5, 2008 3:11 AM
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Ron Paul is the perfect candidate. He is pro freedom. He does not believe in the Washington running our lives. He cannot be attacked by the gun lobby. He cannot be attacked by the anti-abortion lobby. Because he doesn’t believe that Washington is the arbiter on such issues of personal freedom. I have been a supporter of gun control for years. But, after I’ve seen what I’ve seen since 2000 and 9/11/2001, I realize we have much more to fear from the dissolution of democracy and the emergence of a totalitarian torture state, than we do from people owing guns.
The GOP uses the gun issue like they use abortion. To get poor people to support Republican candidates that absolutely do not represent their interests.
Ron Paul is the Teflon candidate. He is a candidate that threatens the very foundations of the American corporate militaristic empire that is causing misery worldwide, and is the only person who can really do so. Because any Democrat who does so, is so dependent on gun control and abortion rights lobbies that they must take Washington power positions on those issues, ensuring that middle Americans will vote against their own interests because of fear campaigns on these other issues. Same thing with gay rights. Ron Paul will not sanction or diminish people’s rights. He believes people are endowed with rights, not awarded them by Washington. He doesn’t believe that Washington has a role in people’s bedrooms.
Ron Paul is a man that can alter the future of humanity in a way that will enable a human renessance. When you hear him speak on corporate media, the corporate shills sound shrill and abrasive. Ron Paul sounds calm and clear. He extols freedom, peace and international cooperation.
He has broken all fundraising records, $18 million this quarter. Only HE hasn’t raised it. Individuals have raised it for him. Ordinary citizens, many who’ve never voted before. A revolution is occurring.
As a lifelong liberal Democrat who has worked professionally and as a full time volunteer, as I told the Iowa Democratic Party in a rancourous phone conversation a few days ago . . . I’m sick of your politics. I’m sick of your charades. I’m officially leaving the Party and joining the Ron Paul revolution.
Of course I’ll vote for Democratic Congresspeople and Senators, because . . . well because we know most Republican candidates are completely devoid of soul. At least with a Democrat you could be surprised. However, for Presidential candidates, Ron Paul is the ONLY choice.
My old friends may be shocked and cringe at my decision. But, I think in their hearts they too know the Democratic Party establishment has used them, at least in Presidential politics.
I hope they will see the light, while Ron Paul can still win. A mass defection from the Dems to Ron Paul is a powerful message we can all send.
If the GOP and powers that be somehow stop Ron Paul from getting the nomination, I pray he’ll hook up with a real Democrat like Gravel or Kucinich, and run as a third party candidate.
Americans are sick and tired of voting for the evil of two lessers, as Michael Moore once said. I know I am. How about you?
Join the Revolution!!
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» RE: I strongly doubt the swiftboaters or any other group will spend a penny worrying about ron paul.
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» RE: By the way bill, you say you used to be a strong liberal democrat, well, anybody can say
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» The DEMS and the GOP voted for the war & Patriot Act -- RON PAUL STOOD AGAINST BOTH !!
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» RE: By the way bill, you say you used to be a strong liberal democrat, well, anybody can say
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» RE: Swiftboating Ron Paul pt 3
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» If you vote for Ron Paul, you're NOT progressive.
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» NOT TRUE: DEMS and GOP have spent over 50% of Fed Money ON MILITARY - Ron Paul Would END IT!
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» RE: TRUE: I would Love to End Your Friggin Mouth from Full Throttle Yapping for like 4 millisecs
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» THAT IS FALSE - DEMS & GOP GAVE US WAR, PATRIOT ACT - PROGRESSIVES SHOULD SUPPORT PAUL !!
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» RE: Your getting shrill billybob, and just because karl rove suggests you use capitals all the time
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» RE: If you vote for Ron Paul, you're NOT progressive. Thank you!
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» Reproduction Right seems to be the most important?
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» You Miss the Point. NOT DEMOCRATS swiftboating Ron Paul - the POWER STRUCTURE!!
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» Oh really? The why are FOX and ABC already talking of removing Paul. PAUL BEAT RUDY!!
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» RE: Swiftboating Ron Paul pt 3
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» RE: Join the revolution!!!
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» Absolutely bogus tirade. Let's see... what agenda is BillD serving?
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» RE: BillDouglas: Absolutely slimy bogus puke.
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» RE: BillDouglas: Absolutely slimy bogus puke.
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» RE: I totally agree with you thought criminal, but your going to cause billybob to have a coronary.
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» RE: Swiftboating Ron Paul pt 3
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» RE: Swiftboating Ron Paul pt 3: Great Post Bill D!
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» calm down people...
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Posted by: Sparks56 on Jan 5, 2008 4:44 AM
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» "American fascism will come wrapped in a flag carrying a cross," says RON PAUL ON MEET THE PRESS !!!
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» Ron Paul: Milton Friedman economist.
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» RE: on Paul: Milton Friedman economist.
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» "NEVER USE FORCE TO PUSH OUR VIEWS ON THE WORLD," RON PAUL on Bill Moyers
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» "WE SHOULD TRADE W/ CUBA and KEEP THE FBI OUT OF OUR LIVES," RON PAUL on Bill Moyers
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» Cuba won't cancel the effect his antichoice essays have on those of us who vote prochoice.
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» RE: Cuba won't cancel the effect his antichoice essays have on those of us who vote prochoice.
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» I guess I am, left-lib. I'm not pregnant. Paul would stop it in my first month. Read him.
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Posted by: tkwilson on Jan 5, 2008 5:29 AM
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One would think that a real progressive would be willing to do whatever it took, including ditching the neoliberal Democratic party machine, which has time and again shafted those stupid enough to swear allegience to it, in favor of real change for the better, for everyone.
As an individual, Ron Paul is a long way from perfect. Come to think of it, SO AM I.
Nobody else in this campaign has had the balls, or the ovaries, to put the stuff on the table that he has.
Nobody else in this campaign besides Kucinich has gotten the slimy treatment from the MSM and the alternative press both, that Paul has gotten.
Anybody that upsets the status quo, that bad, for no demonstrably legitimate reason I can see
(like he/she is a f*cking war criminal or apologist for war criminals) must be doing something right.
There is nobody else in this race as far as I'm concerned. This country is dying. It needs a hell of a lot more than bread and circuses.
Free health care (for instance) for "little Jimmy poor kid"(which Dr. Ron Paul has given of his own accord to hundreds of people in his own Texas medical practice), might sell well and it could even be a good idea but it's not going to keep this country from disolving into a puddle of moral and ethical pus. Putresence is exactly where the revisionists are taking us.
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» When Ron Paul Ends the CIA Militarist Empire WE'LL HAVE MORE FUNDS TO DO MORE FOR AMERICA
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» RE: When Ron Paul Ends the CIA Militarist Empire WE'LL HAVE MORE FUNDS TO DO MORE FOR AMERICA
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» RE: When Ron Paul Ends the CIA Militarist Empire WE'LL HAVE MORE FUNDS TO DO MORE FOR AMERICA
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» RE: tkwilson, or should I say pepper/prophit, you of all people know I have tried to get you
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Posted by: BillDouglas on Jan 5, 2008 5:49 AM
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The attacks on Ron Paul will come from the same circles that would have attacked Gravel or Kucinich if they'd raised $18 million in one quarter from small donors.
However, some "left" media will be involved as well. How do I know? Read the above quote.
You'd have to be an idiot to not understand that if the CIA takes time and money to infiltrate media, that they would not infiltrate "left" media as well.
Anyone who's seen the "left" media's suppression of the gross problems with the official 9/11 myth . . . knows something is amiss.
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» ALSO, ASK YOURSELF WHY "FOX" AND "ABC" ARE PLANNING TO EXCLUDE RON PAUL FROM DEBATES! PAUL BEAT RUDY
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» 911 Truthiness rears its ugly head again... and again.
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» 8 US STATE DEPT. OFFICIALS CALL FOR NEW 9/11 INVESTIGATION !!!! 9/11 INSIDE JOB !!!
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» GOP "and" DEMS VOTED FOR WAR AND PATRIOT ACT -- RON PAUL STOOD AGAINST BOTH !!
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» 911 Truthiness translation: Be afraid of your government, keep silent.
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» Quite the opposite, those who buy the flawed official 9/11 myth are the COWARDS!!
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» RE:According to ron paul's supporters everything is a conspiracy. I swear they must recruit
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Posted by: DanielleClarke on Jan 5, 2008 6:14 AM
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"USAspending.gov Barack Obama's New Gov Site + His reform track record + Best Of Obama's Transparent Gov Bills" http://my.barackobama.com/page/
community/post/danielleclarke/CB44
Today Dec 13th 2007 witnessed the launch of USAspending.gov,= http://www.usaspending.gov/
which was created by the Federal Funding Accountability and Transparency Act = http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Federal_Funding_Accountability_
and_Transparency_Act_of_2006
by Tom Coburn and Barack Obama. The site enables tracking of $1 trillion in federal spending on contracts, grants, earmarks, and loans. The bill faced serious opposition, including anonymous holds by some of the biggest porkbarrel spenders (including Ted Stevens), but in the end, Coburn and Obama prevailed.
So what kind of data does this site give us? Well, how about the top 100 recipients of federal money, = http://www.usaspending.gov/fpds/tables
.php?tabtype=t2&subtype=t&year=2007
or say which congresspeople rake in the most pork. = http://www.usaspending.gov/fpds/tables
.php?tabtype=t1&subtype=at&rowtype=d
And that's just scratching the surface.
And, to my surprise (especially for a government site), an API is available = http://www.usaspending.gov/apidoc.php
to make it easy to extract data.
Read on for more examples and some implications.
USAspending.gov and Obama's reform track record = http://www.onemillionstrong.us/showDiary.do?diaryId=431
The site is clearly a treasure trove of data and is a huge step forward towards government accountability. What's also nice is how user friendly it is.
Let's look at a few examples of what we can dig up.
Example 1: The list of transactions with KBR, Inc. (formerly part of Halliburton) in 2007 = http://tinyurl.com/27xroh . This came out to a paltry sum of $2.7 billion dollars (so far this year), which is nothing compared to previous years as the bar graph on the summary page = http://tinyurl.com/yq39cq shows
Example 2: No bid contracts are among the darkest corners of federal spending - the lack of competition in these contracts is in large part what leads to overcharging by contractors and waste of taxpayer dollars. Well, there was $30 billion in no-bid contracts in 2007 = http://tinyurl.com/2x2225 , including money to some companies I had never heard of, including $1.2 billion to Armor Holdings, Inc. = http://tinyurl.com/248loz and, strangely, $163 million to the government of Canada. = http://tinyurl.com/28amw3
There are a million more examples, and I'm really looking forward to seeing them in the coming weeks and months.
I'm very happy to see another positive step towards government transparency, something that Sen. Obama has been a leader in.
I have one challenge to everyone - find one interesting, strange, or otherwise noteworthy pieces of spending using the site.
Republicans wanted Hillary because if she won or a republican won the powers to be would still be able to keep their war mongering agenda.
Obama will give the power back to the people as he has done with the transparency bill to expose lobbyist donations and the www.USAspending.gov site to expose all government contracts and the NEW SUNSHINE BILL to force polticians to expose their earmarks BEFORE THEY CAN BE VOTED ON
Hillary is a neocon republican disguised as a dem and they want her not Obama and so you shall see in the final republican democratic debates that he will expose them for what they are... however, huckabee is the only one with Ron paul who may be able to even come up to level with Barack Obama.
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Posted by: Urstrly on Jan 5, 2008 6:18 AM
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John Kerry comes too late to the defense. Had he embraced the anti-war stance that followed his battle commendations, he might now be President. Both were a matter of public record, and consultants who thought he could squeak by as a war hero and ignore his testimony before Congress were clueless.
Who can be surprised that the Swiftboaters support McCain? He's still touting "winning" this war in Iraq as we "failed to do" in Vietnam. But, of course, Hayes makes the point that the real Swiftboaters are not disgruntled vets but three very wealthy men whose interests lie in the status quo.
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Posted by: jvaljon1 on Jan 5, 2008 6:19 AM
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And BTW, where's MoveOn.org? They've got the resources to counter these people. Every 'swiftboat' ad needs to be countered by a, say, 'SwiftBush ad'. God knows we got WAY more material to use against them, than they got against us. Besides--the Swiftboat ads aren't what killed Kerry's nomination. It was HIS REFUSAL to 'stoop to their level' and respond to their phony accusations, that pretty well sunk him. I mean, the voters in both parties said things like: "If Kerry won't fight back against these pissy-ass creeps on the far right--how can we trust him to keep us safe"?
I hope we've seen the last of these high-minded 'refuse to stoop to their level' politics. If we haven't, then Bush's replacement is waiting in the wings...
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» YEAH, Where is Moveon.org (anti-war) WHEN RON PAUL IS "THE" ANTI-WAR ANTI-CIA EMPIRE CANDIDATE??
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» Ron Paul: "Abortion on demand is no doubt the most serious sociopolitical problem of our age"
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» Ron Paul? What a Dipshit!
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» "Abortion is a State Issue" RON PAUL - "Abortion used as political football to PROTECT CIA MILITARY!
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» Ron Paul: "outright federal ban on abortion, done properly via a constitutional amendment"
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» RE: What does it matter...? It matters a great deal.
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» It does matter a great deal.
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» RE: Delusions of grandeur! /There just isn't a reason for anybody to swiftboat the little fish in
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» RE: I now agree with some other posters that the swiftboaters are probably
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Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Jan 5, 2008 6:32 AM
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Some good examples of this trend:Halliburton, Bechtel, ChevronTexaco, ExxonMobil, Goldman Sachs, the Saudi Royals - all are loyal clients and allies of the Republican Party.
However, it seems to me that neither Clinton nor Obama are really willing to challenge that central agenda - because that's who they get the majority of their funding from. They have both been rewarded for that stand - both with campaign donations and with positive corporate media coverage.
A quick review of the current financial situation:
Clinton:
Total Receipts: $90,935,788
Total Spent: $40,472,775
Cash on Hand: $50,463,013
Debts: $2,347,486
Date of last report: September 30, 2007
Obama:
Total Receipts: $80,256,427
Total Spent: $44,169,236
Cash on Hand: $36,087,191
Debts: $1,409,740
Date of last report: September 30, 2007
Romney:
Total Receipts: $62,829,069
Total Spent: $53,612,552
Cash on Hand: $9,216,517
Debts: $17,350,000
Date of last report: September 30, 2007
Giulinani:
Total Receipts: $47,253,521
Total Spent: $30,603,695
Cash on Hand: $16,649,826
Debts: $169,256
Date of last report: September 30, 2007
Edwards:
Total Receipts: $30,329,152
Total Spent: $17,932,103
Cash on Hand: $12,397,048
Debts: $0
Date of last report: September 30, 2007
Huckabee:
Total Receipts: $2,345,798
Total Spent: $1,694,497
Cash on Hand: $651,301
Debts: $47,810
Date of last report: September 30, 2007
Kucinich:
Total Receipts: $2,130,200
Total Spent: $1,803,576
Cash on Hand: $327,094
Debts: $0
Date of last report: September 30, 2007
Who is fiscally responsible here? How about a Edwards-Kucinich presidency? Romney, on the other hand, is the worst kind of Bush-Cheney clone - look at his debt profile.
P.S. BillDouglas, the long-winded poster above, is yet another 911truthiness PR monkey - of the "they planted bombs in the WTC" variety - and the 911Truthiness campaign is a perfect example of a Republican-funded Swift Boats style smear campaign. For examples, see previous commentary by BillDouglas:
"To see that the official story of 9/11 is impossible, is not rocket science. No steel reinforced building in history has every collapsed due to fire or external damage"
Right. It's just a right-wing PR campaign to smear Bush opponents as looney nutcases. (Although it is clear that 9/11 was facilitated by Bush's gross incompetence and close ties to the Saudis).
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» REally fascinating numbers. Thanks.
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» "TRUTHINESS" is the domain of those duped into the official 9/11 myth. Molten Steel!!??
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» 911Truthiness sites are Republican PR fronts
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» RE: 911Truthiness / Sorry, you got it ass-backwards
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» Bush's close ties to the corrupt Saudi Royals go back a long ways.
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» RE: "TRUTHINESS" is the domain of those duped into the official 9/11 myth. Molten Steel!!??
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» RE: The idea of a completely new investigation of 911 is an excellent idea. I think many people
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» Do you all realize, FOR THE 1ST TIME IN YEARS DEMS GET MORE MILITARY IND. DONATIONS THAN GOP !!!!
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» RE: Do you all realize, FOR THE 1ST TIME IN YEARS DEMS GET MORE MILITARY IND. DONATIONS THAN GOP !!!
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» www.opensecrets.org has all the numbers
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» RE: Edwards is being branded as paranoid!!!!!!!!!1
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Posted by: ProgressiveManiac on Jan 5, 2008 6:48 AM
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The Swift-boaters have every right to say what they want about public figures, including presidential candidates. The problem is not so much with radical groups like this that might issue irresponsible and misleading statements. The problem is really with our irresponsible mainstream media that give these groups unwarranted visibility and that does such a poor job fact-checking what they say.
We need to reign in our irresponsible media and in particular we need to turn back the recent move of the FCC to promote further concentration of our media.
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» You hit the nail on the head.
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Posted by: jmmartin on Jan 5, 2008 6:53 AM
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On the other hand, I don't think McCain is much different than The Suit in the do-anything-to-be-president department. Not to forget that he labeled Faultwell and Robber's son "agents of intolerance," then went to Faultwell's "university" commencement, kissed and made up with Jerry, and retracted his earlier lambaste -- all in the name of currying the evangelical-fundamentalist (i.e. religious right wingnut) vote.
McCain and Romney are two of a kind.
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Posted by: Roger Király on Jan 5, 2008 7:13 AM
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In peace there's nothing so becomes a man
As modest stillness and humility;
But when the blast of war blows in our ears,
Then imitate the action of the tiger:
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood.
Henry V
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Posted by: rgoalierob on Jan 5, 2008 7:21 AM
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Now we see what thay've become.
McCain, a feeble old man who would turn aside his own ideals for a chance to win.
Powell, forever soiled by his willingness to go along with an obvious lie just to serve his master.
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http://www.swiftvets.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=24119
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after this sham of an election is over, you'll still be feeding the corporate machine that is Washington DC. All politics are corporate/media determined or even pre determined. Your vote is only as good as forwarding of American corporate needs...not your own needs. Clinton? Obama? Huckabee? McCain? the media builds and tears down these people to varying degrees every day, leaving you with the impression that who you vote for is your choice. Truth is, your vote is bought and paid for by corporate money and media malfesance. No radically anti- corporate candidate can ever win an American election. Not possible. The morals of self governance so beautifully built into our constitution are redacted and unimportant to the real powers in this country. I wish it were different but the truth is self evident, that all people are definitely not created equal, treated equally or even considered at all. We are in the last days of a once great experiment, how exactly it will end is not known but one could surmise a totally repressed gang of humans walking in circles and wondering how the fuck we got to this point.
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Posted by: CV on Jan 5, 2008 12:08 PM
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He talks about "protecting" social security - but then talks about cutting payroll taxes to "allow people freedom to invest themselves." Nobody is talking about the fact that social security wouldn't BE in any trouble if, when Reagan DOUBLED the social security taxes (while lowering taxes on the wealthy) at Greenspan's suggestion, they then BORROWED billions - perhaps trillions, I can't count that high - from the program which have never been repaid. Nice move, huh? "Freedom" my patootie - his version of freedom is to leave the poorest and least privileged among us to rot - in that he is in league with 43, for sure. Personal responsibility - that wonderful euphemism for "take care of yourself and the devil take those who can't."
What ever happened to the country I knew which acknowledged responsibility to all of its citizens - which attempted to provide bootstraps for those not born "lucky" and assist those simply unable - like the Vietnam vets homeless even today - to take care of themselves. I was PROUD of that country. And I didn't need a GUN to enjoy the freedoms of "health, liberty and the pursuit of happiness". Sure, that's what we need - a wild west of guns in every household - more AK-47s in the hands of idiots who don't know how to manage anger. Ask the millions of battered women in this country how they feel about husbands with guns - ahhh, no, I forgot, those are just pitiful people who don't know "how to take care of themselves."
Sure, let's turn over our roads, schools and hospitals (oops, hospitals have already been "turned" - once upon a time they were NON-PROFITS) to private enterprise . . . Let's pay tolls instead of taxes. You're GOT to be kidding!
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» Ron Paul has won most debates a fact fox news has trouble admitting
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» Just Not Realistic for them as third party
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Posted by: sofla100 on Jan 5, 2008 1:27 PM
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fiascos that make the past S&L scandal and the current sup-prime crisis look like walks in the park. Want to know what Ron Paul would make America into: take a look at Mexico and the third world. The rich would live in private, walled off compounds with their own security guards, while the other 95% lived in the surrounding slums. Not the America any of us, except the very rich, should be aspiring towards. Face it, government is the only thing that protects the 99% of the American people from the top 1%. A top 1% that owns over 1/3rd of the wealth of America.
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» And the disappearance of character makes the State necessary. Big business IS government
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» RE: Great Jefferson quote that refutes your ideas. He wouldn't like Ron Paul.
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Posted by: nb2d2d on Jan 5, 2008 1:38 PM
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The truth remains the truth no matter how you spin it.
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» Nonsense. The one thing that would trash my husband's honorable 25-year military career. . .
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If one wants to look at a Democratic myth about military sercvice, just look at the disgusting way they've touted former Georgia senator Max Cleland as a "war hero" when it is well known here in Georgia based on older press reports (suppressed in recent years to support Democratic propaganda) that a more accurate way to describe how Cleland got his admittedly devastating wounds is that he was a F-up who dropped a hand grenade outside the combat zone and wounded himself. Some hero. yet he has been the subject of Democratic lies for years. So, let's not get our pants too much in an uproar about those who reported mostly accurately on Kerry's Vietnam record. The story there was the contrast with the non, possibly scandalous record of George Bush, not that Kerry's record was correctly claimed nor that he was as heroic as many others, living and dead, in Vietnam. So, enough overreaching in this political season - the country doesn't need it.
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» RE: Has BILL DOUGLAS GONE AWAY YET???? OMG, MY BRAIN HURTSSSSSS
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Posted by: riotoustanpdx on Jan 6, 2008 2:36 PM
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Nor would the Departments of government. He would accomplish nothing, and if he tried to force an agenda on the country by Executive Order he would be impeached in short order.
Those who believe he would make a positive difference are delusional.
There is ,b>only one candidate who stands in the middle ground, neither too far to the right, aka Republican, or too far into the pockets of Big Government, as in Obama, Clinton and in some ways Edwards: Bill Richardson
Experienced and not tainted by the big media that reports favorably on the other Big Three Democrats. If they were not favored by the Big Corporate Media, why would they get so much free air time while Richardson has been shut out?
The answer is, of course, that Richardson has the goods, and the agenda that the country needs. He is the one candidate who is not too far out on the fringe to make a difference, and he is not bought and paid for.
This makes Richardson the real deal that the supporters of Ron Paul should be backing, because he can bring this country into The Solar Age without compromising integrity here and around the globe.
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» Richardson lost me...
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» He lost me with his Water Czar, National Water Policy, "Wisconsin awash in water" talk. . .
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Posted by: ih2005 on Jan 6, 2008 3:47 PM
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At the end of the 18th Century, America proclaimed its independence from the tax slavery of Britain, and codified our soverignty, self-rule and liberty, as citizens, in the Constitution and Bill of Rights. In 1913, the wealthy elite conspired with politicians to persuade an elitist president (a former president of Princeton University) to buy into a scheme to again make us slaves by signing the Federal Reserve and the Income Tax acts. The Fed would print money, at interest, and the income tax would ultimately be the vehicle to ensure its payment. It would be the bankers who would pat themselves on the back.
President Wilson would later say ( 3:42 into Russo video), "I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is now controlled by a system of credit. We are no longer a government of free opinion, no longer a government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men."
And today many Americans are caught up in that "system of credit," much to bankers' delight, instead of working longer and harder hours. Why? Because of the increased tax bite that's taken from their paychecks. If you ask any worker about it, more than likely you'll receive a remark that expresses frustration, powerlessness, and the feeling like his, or her, voice doesn't matter because it's the politicians who are in control.
Of more urgent, and immediate, concern is the taxing of business income and payroll. Businesses attempt to recoup these costs by embedding them in their prices, which are ultimately paid by consumers. This pernicious system of hidden taxation accounts for 22 cents of every retail dollar spent by consumers. This gives Congress a "lever" to extract money from businesses, via lobbyists, to secure "tax favors" resulting in
• an increasingly complex, and expensive, tax code
• higher prices (or lesser dividends to shareholders/401Ks/public retirement funds, or lost jobs to employees - where foreign competition will not let a company raise prices)
• exports not price-competitive, globally
• company relocation to foreign countries with lower costs
• foreign products going untaxed upon entry into the U.S.
How serious is this situation? Dr. Laurence Kotlikoff is on record that, unless citizens' true tax costs are made visible by virtue of enacting the FairTax, politicians will continue to pit rich against poor, individuals against corporations, while they spend us into ruin.
Will the FairTax movement succeed in changing this tax slave / victim psychology? Do we, as individuals, have the ability to influence Congress to relinquish the power they've usurped from We, The People, freeholders engaged in free-enterprise?
Mr. Romney's candidacy is the GOP-as-usual, talking tax reform, while preserving the elitist tax code. At Bain Capital, Mr. Romney used offshore corporations (and continues to) in order to avoid U.S. taxation, and he fee-milked acquired businesses before firing workers and taking them into bankruptcy, to amass his great $250,000,000 wealth.
Compare that to Huckabee/Gravel visionary FairTax. It's pretty easy to see who will lead us out of tax slavery - 5 billion wasted human hours, annually.
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These are old men who still fear communism; and how long has it been gone. Cheney and Rumsfeld are most likely part of this group. These people are left overs from WWII. They are part of the Texas scene and only death will dislodge them.
The Pope(s) of my religion, Catholicism, are still fighting communiusm. We the people are still being dragged back into thier old and stale fights/wars.
As long as all of them are alive their mindset will always be dragging us down into thier cesspool thinking. They have to create enemies and wars where none any longer exist. Somehow it makes them still feel vital and useful despite the fact that the world is trying to move on and solve todays real problems. Though these people are from a bygone era it is what they understand and it is almost the only thing they understand.
They want to keep things the same and will expend every effort to do so. Neither the world nor America matter to them. The only thing that matters is the remnants and dregs of old memories that linger in their ancient brains. And they will all claim that they do what they do in the name of god(small g, intentional).
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Of course, the opposite is true, Snopes has an Obama section that totally refutes all the accusations made.
I made time to write back and direct my friend to the Snopes site, but there is little doubt that variations on these smears will increase as the eventual Dem candidate is decided.
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Posted by: BillDouglas on Jan 5, 2008 3:09 AM
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But, I can see beyond the corporate media false left/right creation. The "liberal" talking points are already being strategically placed by so called "left" media to tear progressive voters away from the most progressive candidate in our lifetimes, at least adult lifetimes. Ron Paul threatens the foundations of the American military empire, and corrupt corporate economics that keep us all down . . .
On the anniversary of the Boston Tea Party, I donated to my first Republican candidate. I officially joined the Ron Paul revolution!
Ron Paul is threatening the American military empire in ways no Democrat of our time has ever been able to do. I don’t diminish Dennis Kucinich and Mike Gravel’s efforts, they have been courageous. However, they are limited by their party, which I've given much of my life to supporting.
Of course the Democratic machine got rid of Gravel (the man who ended the draft during Vietnam) early, and with the Iowa Democratic Gestapo (I mean Party), we’ve now seen them do the same with Kucinich excluding him from the debates. The party lamely blamed it on the Des Moines Register, but I think we all know that the Dem Party could have insisted, if they wanted to have all their candidates present.
I could NOT vote for another Republican, unless Ron Paul is the candidate, because I think we all know the GOP is completely corrupted, except for the shining knight that is Ron Paul.
However, my disillusionment with the Democrats began long ago. Many years ago former California governor, Jerry Brown, decided to run for the State Chair of the California Democratic Party. I was hired on his campaign as a professional staff member. We won. He got the Chairmanship.
Years later, I became a full time volunteer for Jerry Brown’s bid for the Democratic nomination for President. I came back to politics as a volunteer because Brown had the revolutionary idea of not accepting a donation over $100.
He traveled on a budget and stayed in ordinary people’s homes. He said when he was state chair of the California Democratic Party, he’d raised more money than any chair in history. But, no matter how much he raised, they always needed more. He said you lose touch with ordinary people, when you can only take time to sit down with those who can write a multi-thousand dollar check.
Brown was made fun of by corporate media. Sound familiar? Ala Kucinich, Gravel, and Ron Paul? THEN, Brown won the primary in Colorado, defeating candidate Bill Clinton. It shook the foundations of the power structure that runs this country. They acted fast, and with a sledge hammer.
Immediately Ted Koppel of Nightline, a huge influence in the nation before cable news dominated . . . had on several “masked men” who would not reveal their identity. They “claimed” to be former Governor Brown’s body guards when he was governor. They “claimed” he’d held wild pot parties at his Laurel Canyon home back then.
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» Oh, that's a relief!
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» Ron Paul certainly disagrees with you, left_lib
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Posted by: BillDouglas on Jan 5, 2008 3:10 AM
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When I went to the Orange County Democratic Party headquarters to get precinct maps for our Brown for President campaign, I was denied them by smug party officials. I was ordered out when I began yelling the fact that the Clinton campaign was being given preferential treatment by the party hacks.
So, the Democratic Party sold out long ago. If the chosen ones, Obama or Hillary, and maybe Edwards gets elected, they will slightly change spending priorities but leave the American military empire fully intact. Corporate globalist money will remain completely in charge.
However, if Ron Paul gets elected, all US troops from worldwide will be ordered home. The oppression of developing country workers by corrupt governments backed up by the CIA and US military will die a timely death. Workers will organize, and slave labor markets, which drive down the US worker’s standard of living will be no more.
Since over 50% of US federal discretionary spending goes to military, President Ron Paul’s actions will result in a deluge of savings that will dramatically improve the standard of living in America. Democrats would NEVER make such a change, at least not the ones the Party doesn’t silence with their many dirty tricks.
However, the “liberal” or “left” media will fight tooth and nail to damage Ron Paul in any way they can. They’ve already began smear campaigns. They’ve tried to character assassinate him with pathetic guilt by association campaigns, such as “white supremacists support Ron Paul,” or “Ron Paul will outlaw abortion.”
Tucker Carlson “of the right” did his best to smear Ron Paul as well, when he personally picked up a brothel owner, and took him to a Ron Paul rally, so he could then release a media report that said “brothel owners support Ron Paul.”
The fact is that President Ron Paul will not affect abortion rights because he doesn’t believe that is the President’s role. A President is incapable of outlawing abortion, only the Supreme Court and/or Congress could do so. The GOP really never wanted to outlaw abortion, oh some Congresspeople or Senators may really feel against it, but the Party machine needs it to get poor whites, some poor blacks and Hispanics to vote against their own interest election after elections. The GOP had absolute control of all three branches of power during Reagan and Bush II. Did they outlaw abortion? NOPE. They never will. They need it.
However, they will use it to manipulate liberals and progressives into being against Ron Paul and they’ll spew this misinformation out through the liberal media. I’ve grown suspicious of the “liberal” media that I once believed in, since I’ve seen them attack anyone who questions the official story of 9/11. William Colby, a former CIA Director, once admitted to America, “there is no media of any significance in the US that is not controlled by the CIA.” That would include significant left media. Why would they leave liberal media un-infiltrated? They wouldn’t.
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» "American fascism will come wrapped in a flag carrying a cross," says RON PAUL ON MEET THE PRESS !!!
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» SOME HERE want you to dismiss RON PAUL, without HEARING HIM - Take 2 min.s, "Bill Moyer w/ Ron Paul"
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Ron Paul is the perfect candidate. He is pro freedom. He does not believe in the Washington running our lives. He cannot be attacked by the gun lobby. He cannot be attacked by the anti-abortion lobby. Because he doesn’t believe that Washington is the arbiter on such issues of personal freedom. I have been a supporter of gun control for years. But, after I’ve seen what I’ve seen since 2000 and 9/11/2001, I realize we have much more to fear from the dissolution of democracy and the emergence of a totalitarian torture state, than we do from people owing guns.
The GOP uses the gun issue like they use abortion. To get poor people to support Republican candidates that absolutely do not represent their interests.
Ron Paul is the Teflon candidate. He is a candidate that threatens the very foundations of the American corporate militaristic empire that is causing misery worldwide, and is the only person who can really do so. Because any Democrat who does so, is so dependent on gun control and abortion rights lobbies that they must take Washington power positions on those issues, ensuring that middle Americans will vote against their own interests because of fear campaigns on these other issues. Same thing with gay rights. Ron Paul will not sanction or diminish people’s rights. He believes people are endowed with rights, not awarded them by Washington. He doesn’t believe that Washington has a role in people’s bedrooms.
Ron Paul is a man that can alter the future of humanity in a way that will enable a human renessance. When you hear him speak on corporate media, the corporate shills sound shrill and abrasive. Ron Paul sounds calm and clear. He extols freedom, peace and international cooperation.
He has broken all fundraising records, $18 million this quarter. Only HE hasn’t raised it. Individuals have raised it for him. Ordinary citizens, many who’ve never voted before. A revolution is occurring.
As a lifelong liberal Democrat who has worked professionally and as a full time volunteer, as I told the Iowa Democratic Party in a rancourous phone conversation a few days ago . . . I’m sick of your politics. I’m sick of your charades. I’m officially leaving the Party and joining the Ron Paul revolution.
Of course I’ll vote for Democratic Congresspeople and Senators, because . . . well because we know most Republican candidates are completely devoid of soul. At least with a Democrat you could be surprised. However, for Presidential candidates, Ron Paul is the ONLY choice.
My old friends may be shocked and cringe at my decision. But, I think in their hearts they too know the Democratic Party establishment has used them, at least in Presidential politics.
I hope they will see the light, while Ron Paul can still win. A mass defection from the Dems to Ron Paul is a powerful message we can all send.
If the GOP and powers that be somehow stop Ron Paul from getting the nomination, I pray he’ll hook up with a real Democrat like Gravel or Kucinich, and run as a third party candidate.
Americans are sick and tired of voting for the evil of two lessers, as Michael Moore once said. I know I am. How about you?
Join the Revolution!!
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» RE: I strongly doubt the swiftboaters or any other group will spend a penny worrying about ron paul.
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» RE: By the way bill, you say you used to be a strong liberal democrat, well, anybody can say
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» The DEMS and the GOP voted for the war & Patriot Act -- RON PAUL STOOD AGAINST BOTH !!
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» RE: By the way bill, you say you used to be a strong liberal democrat, well, anybody can say
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» RE: Swiftboating Ron Paul pt 3
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» If you vote for Ron Paul, you're NOT progressive.
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» NOT TRUE: DEMS and GOP have spent over 50% of Fed Money ON MILITARY - Ron Paul Would END IT!
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» RE: TRUE: I would Love to End Your Friggin Mouth from Full Throttle Yapping for like 4 millisecs
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» THAT IS FALSE - DEMS & GOP GAVE US WAR, PATRIOT ACT - PROGRESSIVES SHOULD SUPPORT PAUL !!
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» RE: Your getting shrill billybob, and just because karl rove suggests you use capitals all the time
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» RE: If you vote for Ron Paul, you're NOT progressive. Thank you!
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» Reproduction Right seems to be the most important?
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» You Miss the Point. NOT DEMOCRATS swiftboating Ron Paul - the POWER STRUCTURE!!
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» Oh really? The why are FOX and ABC already talking of removing Paul. PAUL BEAT RUDY!!
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» RE: Swiftboating Ron Paul pt 3
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» RE: Join the revolution!!!
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» Absolutely bogus tirade. Let's see... what agenda is BillD serving?
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» RE: BillDouglas: Absolutely slimy bogus puke.
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» RE: BillDouglas: Absolutely slimy bogus puke.
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» RE: I totally agree with you thought criminal, but your going to cause billybob to have a coronary.
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» RE: Swiftboating Ron Paul pt 3
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» RE: Swiftboating Ron Paul pt 3: Great Post Bill D!
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» calm down people...
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» RE: Swiftboating Ron Paul pt 3
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Posted by: Sparks56 on Jan 5, 2008 4:44 AM
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» "American fascism will come wrapped in a flag carrying a cross," says RON PAUL ON MEET THE PRESS !!!
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» Ron Paul: Milton Friedman economist.
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» RE: on Paul: Milton Friedman economist.
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» "NEVER USE FORCE TO PUSH OUR VIEWS ON THE WORLD," RON PAUL on Bill Moyers
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» "WE SHOULD TRADE W/ CUBA and KEEP THE FBI OUT OF OUR LIVES," RON PAUL on Bill Moyers
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» Cuba won't cancel the effect his antichoice essays have on those of us who vote prochoice.
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» RE: Cuba won't cancel the effect his antichoice essays have on those of us who vote prochoice.
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» I guess I am, left-lib. I'm not pregnant. Paul would stop it in my first month. Read him.
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Posted by: tkwilson on Jan 5, 2008 5:29 AM
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One would think that a real progressive would be willing to do whatever it took, including ditching the neoliberal Democratic party machine, which has time and again shafted those stupid enough to swear allegience to it, in favor of real change for the better, for everyone.
As an individual, Ron Paul is a long way from perfect. Come to think of it, SO AM I.
Nobody else in this campaign has had the balls, or the ovaries, to put the stuff on the table that he has.
Nobody else in this campaign besides Kucinich has gotten the slimy treatment from the MSM and the alternative press both, that Paul has gotten.
Anybody that upsets the status quo, that bad, for no demonstrably legitimate reason I can see
(like he/she is a f*cking war criminal or apologist for war criminals) must be doing something right.
There is nobody else in this race as far as I'm concerned. This country is dying. It needs a hell of a lot more than bread and circuses.
Free health care (for instance) for "little Jimmy poor kid"(which Dr. Ron Paul has given of his own accord to hundreds of people in his own Texas medical practice), might sell well and it could even be a good idea but it's not going to keep this country from disolving into a puddle of moral and ethical pus. Putresence is exactly where the revisionists are taking us.
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» When Ron Paul Ends the CIA Militarist Empire WE'LL HAVE MORE FUNDS TO DO MORE FOR AMERICA
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» RE: When Ron Paul Ends the CIA Militarist Empire WE'LL HAVE MORE FUNDS TO DO MORE FOR AMERICA
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» RE: When Ron Paul Ends the CIA Militarist Empire WE'LL HAVE MORE FUNDS TO DO MORE FOR AMERICA
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» RE: tkwilson, or should I say pepper/prophit, you of all people know I have tried to get you
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Posted by: BillDouglas on Jan 5, 2008 5:49 AM
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The attacks on Ron Paul will come from the same circles that would have attacked Gravel or Kucinich if they'd raised $18 million in one quarter from small donors.
However, some "left" media will be involved as well. How do I know? Read the above quote.
You'd have to be an idiot to not understand that if the CIA takes time and money to infiltrate media, that they would not infiltrate "left" media as well.
Anyone who's seen the "left" media's suppression of the gross problems with the official 9/11 myth . . . knows something is amiss.
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» ALSO, ASK YOURSELF WHY "FOX" AND "ABC" ARE PLANNING TO EXCLUDE RON PAUL FROM DEBATES! PAUL BEAT RUDY
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» 911 Truthiness rears its ugly head again... and again.
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» 8 US STATE DEPT. OFFICIALS CALL FOR NEW 9/11 INVESTIGATION !!!! 9/11 INSIDE JOB !!!
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» GOP "and" DEMS VOTED FOR WAR AND PATRIOT ACT -- RON PAUL STOOD AGAINST BOTH !!
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» 911 Truthiness translation: Be afraid of your government, keep silent.
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» Quite the opposite, those who buy the flawed official 9/11 myth are the COWARDS!!
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» RE:According to ron paul's supporters everything is a conspiracy. I swear they must recruit
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Posted by: DanielleClarke on Jan 5, 2008 6:14 AM
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"USAspending.gov Barack Obama's New Gov Site + His reform track record + Best Of Obama's Transparent Gov Bills" http://my.barackobama.com/page/
community/post/danielleclarke/CB44
Today Dec 13th 2007 witnessed the launch of USAspending.gov,= http://www.usaspending.gov/
which was created by the Federal Funding Accountability and Transparency Act = http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Federal_Funding_Accountability_
and_Transparency_Act_of_2006
by Tom Coburn and Barack Obama. The site enables tracking of $1 trillion in federal spending on contracts, grants, earmarks, and loans. The bill faced serious opposition, including anonymous holds by some of the biggest porkbarrel spenders (including Ted Stevens), but in the end, Coburn and Obama prevailed.
So what kind of data does this site give us? Well, how about the top 100 recipients of federal money, = http://www.usaspending.gov/fpds/tables
.php?tabtype=t2&subtype=t&year=2007
or say which congresspeople rake in the most pork. = http://www.usaspending.gov/fpds/tables
.php?tabtype=t1&subtype=at&rowtype=d
And that's just scratching the surface.
And, to my surprise (especially for a government site), an API is available = http://www.usaspending.gov/apidoc.php
to make it easy to extract data.
Read on for more examples and some implications.
USAspending.gov and Obama's reform track record = http://www.onemillionstrong.us/showDiary.do?diaryId=431
The site is clearly a treasure trove of data and is a huge step forward towards government accountability. What's also nice is how user friendly it is.
Let's look at a few examples of what we can dig up.
Example 1: The list of transactions with KBR, Inc. (formerly part of Halliburton) in 2007 = http://tinyurl.com/27xroh . This came out to a paltry sum of $2.7 billion dollars (so far this year), which is nothing compared to previous years as the bar graph on the summary page = http://tinyurl.com/yq39cq shows
Example 2: No bid contracts are among the darkest corners of federal spending - the lack of competition in these contracts is in large part what leads to overcharging by contractors and waste of taxpayer dollars. Well, there was $30 billion in no-bid contracts in 2007 = http://tinyurl.com/2x2225 , including money to some companies I had never heard of, including $1.2 billion to Armor Holdings, Inc. = http://tinyurl.com/248loz and, strangely, $163 million to the government of Canada. = http://tinyurl.com/28amw3
There are a million more examples, and I'm really looking forward to seeing them in the coming weeks and months.
I'm very happy to see another positive step towards government transparency, something that Sen. Obama has been a leader in.
I have one challenge to everyone - find one interesting, strange, or otherwise noteworthy pieces of spending using the site.
Republicans wanted Hillary because if she won or a republican won the powers to be would still be able to keep their war mongering agenda.
Obama will give the power back to the people as he has done with the transparency bill to expose lobbyist donations and the www.USAspending.gov site to expose all government contracts and the NEW SUNSHINE BILL to force polticians to expose their earmarks BEFORE THEY CAN BE VOTED ON
Hillary is a neocon republican disguised as a dem and they want her not Obama and so you shall see in the final republican democratic debates that he will expose them for what they are... however, huckabee is the only one with Ron paul who may be able to even come up to level with Barack Obama.
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Posted by: Urstrly on Jan 5, 2008 6:18 AM
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John Kerry comes too late to the defense. Had he embraced the anti-war stance that followed his battle commendations, he might now be President. Both were a matter of public record, and consultants who thought he could squeak by as a war hero and ignore his testimony before Congress were clueless.
Who can be surprised that the Swiftboaters support McCain? He's still touting "winning" this war in Iraq as we "failed to do" in Vietnam. But, of course, Hayes makes the point that the real Swiftboaters are not disgruntled vets but three very wealthy men whose interests lie in the status quo.
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Posted by: jvaljon1 on Jan 5, 2008 6:19 AM
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And BTW, where's MoveOn.org? They've got the resources to counter these people. Every 'swiftboat' ad needs to be countered by a, say, 'SwiftBush ad'. God knows we got WAY more material to use against them, than they got against us. Besides--the Swiftboat ads aren't what killed Kerry's nomination. It was HIS REFUSAL to 'stoop to their level' and respond to their phony accusations, that pretty well sunk him. I mean, the voters in both parties said things like: "If Kerry won't fight back against these pissy-ass creeps on the far right--how can we trust him to keep us safe"?
I hope we've seen the last of these high-minded 'refuse to stoop to their level' politics. If we haven't, then Bush's replacement is waiting in the wings...
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» YEAH, Where is Moveon.org (anti-war) WHEN RON PAUL IS "THE" ANTI-WAR ANTI-CIA EMPIRE CANDIDATE??
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» Ron Paul: "Abortion on demand is no doubt the most serious sociopolitical problem of our age"
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» Ron Paul? What a Dipshit!
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» "Abortion is a State Issue" RON PAUL - "Abortion used as political football to PROTECT CIA MILITARY!
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» Ron Paul: "outright federal ban on abortion, done properly via a constitutional amendment"
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» RE: What does it matter...? It matters a great deal.
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» It does matter a great deal.
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» RE: Delusions of grandeur! /There just isn't a reason for anybody to swiftboat the little fish in
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Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Jan 5, 2008 6:32 AM
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Some good examples of this trend:Halliburton, Bechtel, ChevronTexaco, ExxonMobil, Goldman Sachs, the Saudi Royals - all are loyal clients and allies of the Republican Party.
However, it seems to me that neither Clinton nor Obama are really willing to challenge that central agenda - because that's who they get the majority of their funding from. They have both been rewarded for that stand - both with campaign donations and with positive corporate media coverage.
A quick review of the current financial situation:
Clinton:
Total Receipts: $90,935,788
Total Spent: $40,472,775
Cash on Hand: $50,463,013
Debts: $2,347,486
Date of last report: September 30, 2007
Obama:
Total Receipts: $80,256,427
Total Spent: $44,169,236
Cash on Hand: $36,087,191
Debts: $1,409,740
Date of last report: September 30, 2007
Romney:
Total Receipts: $62,829,069
Total Spent: $53,612,552
Cash on Hand: $9,216,517
Debts: $17,350,000
Date of last report: September 30, 2007
Giulinani:
Total Receipts: $47,253,521
Total Spent: $30,603,695
Cash on Hand: $16,649,826
Debts: $169,256
Date of last report: September 30, 2007
Edwards:
Total Receipts: $30,329,152
Total Spent: $17,932,103
Cash on Hand: $12,397,048
Debts: $0
Date of last report: September 30, 2007
Huckabee:
Total Receipts: $2,345,798
Total Spent: $1,694,497
Cash on Hand: $651,301
Debts: $47,810
Date of last report: September 30, 2007
Kucinich:
Total Receipts: $2,130,200
Total Spent: $1,803,576
Cash on Hand: $327,094
Debts: $0
Date of last report: September 30, 2007
Who is fiscally responsible here? How about a Edwards-Kucinich presidency? Romney, on the other hand, is the worst kind of Bush-Cheney clone - look at his debt profile.
P.S. BillDouglas, the long-winded poster above, is yet another 911truthiness PR monkey - of the "they planted bombs in the WTC" variety - and the 911Truthiness campaign is a perfect example of a Republican-funded Swift Boats style smear campaign. For examples, see previous commentary by BillDouglas:
"To see that the official story of 9/11 is impossible, is not rocket science. No steel reinforced building in history has every collapsed due to fire or external damage"
Right. It's just a right-wing PR campaign to smear Bush opponents as looney nutcases. (Although it is clear that 9/11 was facilitated by Bush's gross incompetence and close ties to the Saudis).
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» REally fascinating numbers. Thanks.
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» "TRUTHINESS" is the domain of those duped into the official 9/11 myth. Molten Steel!!??
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» 911Truthiness sites are Republican PR fronts
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» RE: 911Truthiness / Sorry, you got it ass-backwards
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» Bush's close ties to the corrupt Saudi Royals go back a long ways.
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» RE: "TRUTHINESS" is the domain of those duped into the official 9/11 myth. Molten Steel!!??
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» RE: The idea of a completely new investigation of 911 is an excellent idea. I think many people
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» Do you all realize, FOR THE 1ST TIME IN YEARS DEMS GET MORE MILITARY IND. DONATIONS THAN GOP !!!!
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» RE: Do you all realize, FOR THE 1ST TIME IN YEARS DEMS GET MORE MILITARY IND. DONATIONS THAN GOP !!!
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» RE: Hayes gets it right:
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» www.opensecrets.org has all the numbers
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» RE: Edwards is being branded as paranoid!!!!!!!!!1
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» Yes, which is pretty predictable.
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Posted by: ProgressiveManiac on Jan 5, 2008 6:48 AM
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The Swift-boaters have every right to say what they want about public figures, including presidential candidates. The problem is not so much with radical groups like this that might issue irresponsible and misleading statements. The problem is really with our irresponsible mainstream media that give these groups unwarranted visibility and that does such a poor job fact-checking what they say.
We need to reign in our irresponsible media and in particular we need to turn back the recent move of the FCC to promote further concentration of our media.
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» You hit the nail on the head.
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Posted by: jmmartin on Jan 5, 2008 6:53 AM
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On the other hand, I don't think McCain is much different than The Suit in the do-anything-to-be-president department. Not to forget that he labeled Faultwell and Robber's son "agents of intolerance," then went to Faultwell's "university" commencement, kissed and made up with Jerry, and retracted his earlier lambaste -- all in the name of currying the evangelical-fundamentalist (i.e. religious right wingnut) vote.
McCain and Romney are two of a kind.
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Posted by: Roger Király on Jan 5, 2008 7:13 AM
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In peace there's nothing so becomes a man
As modest stillness and humility;
But when the blast of war blows in our ears,
Then imitate the action of the tiger:
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood.
Henry V
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Posted by: rgoalierob on Jan 5, 2008 7:21 AM
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Now we see what thay've become.
McCain, a feeble old man who would turn aside his own ideals for a chance to win.
Powell, forever soiled by his willingness to go along with an obvious lie just to serve his master.
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» You can tell these people aren't happy after they sell out
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Posted by: Raymond Emerson on Jan 5, 2008 8:03 AM
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http://www.swiftvets.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=24119
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after this sham of an election is over, you'll still be feeding the corporate machine that is Washington DC. All politics are corporate/media determined or even pre determined. Your vote is only as good as forwarding of American corporate needs...not your own needs. Clinton? Obama? Huckabee? McCain? the media builds and tears down these people to varying degrees every day, leaving you with the impression that who you vote for is your choice. Truth is, your vote is bought and paid for by corporate money and media malfesance. No radically anti- corporate candidate can ever win an American election. Not possible. The morals of self governance so beautifully built into our constitution are redacted and unimportant to the real powers in this country. I wish it were different but the truth is self evident, that all people are definitely not created equal, treated equally or even considered at all. We are in the last days of a once great experiment, how exactly it will end is not known but one could surmise a totally repressed gang of humans walking in circles and wondering how the fuck we got to this point.
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Posted by: CV on Jan 5, 2008 12:08 PM
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He talks about "protecting" social security - but then talks about cutting payroll taxes to "allow people freedom to invest themselves." Nobody is talking about the fact that social security wouldn't BE in any trouble if, when Reagan DOUBLED the social security taxes (while lowering taxes on the wealthy) at Greenspan's suggestion, they then BORROWED billions - perhaps trillions, I can't count that high - from the program which have never been repaid. Nice move, huh? "Freedom" my patootie - his version of freedom is to leave the poorest and least privileged among us to rot - in that he is in league with 43, for sure. Personal responsibility - that wonderful euphemism for "take care of yourself and the devil take those who can't."
What ever happened to the country I knew which acknowledged responsibility to all of its citizens - which attempted to provide bootstraps for those not born "lucky" and assist those simply unable - like the Vietnam vets homeless even today - to take care of themselves. I was PROUD of that country. And I didn't need a GUN to enjoy the freedoms of "health, liberty and the pursuit of happiness". Sure, that's what we need - a wild west of guns in every household - more AK-47s in the hands of idiots who don't know how to manage anger. Ask the millions of battered women in this country how they feel about husbands with guns - ahhh, no, I forgot, those are just pitiful people who don't know "how to take care of themselves."
Sure, let's turn over our roads, schools and hospitals (oops, hospitals have already been "turned" - once upon a time they were NON-PROFITS) to private enterprise . . . Let's pay tolls instead of taxes. You're GOT to be kidding!
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» Ron Paul has won most debates a fact fox news has trouble admitting
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» Just Not Realistic for them as third party
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Posted by: sofla100 on Jan 5, 2008 1:27 PM
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fiascos that make the past S&L scandal and the current sup-prime crisis look like walks in the park. Want to know what Ron Paul would make America into: take a look at Mexico and the third world. The rich would live in private, walled off compounds with their own security guards, while the other 95% lived in the surrounding slums. Not the America any of us, except the very rich, should be aspiring towards. Face it, government is the only thing that protects the 99% of the American people from the top 1%. A top 1% that owns over 1/3rd of the wealth of America.
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» RE: on Paul: Why Do 'Progressives' Love Big Gov't?
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» And the disappearance of character makes the State necessary. Big business IS government
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» RE: And the disappearance of character makes the State necessary. Big business IS government
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» RE: Great Jefferson quote that refutes your ideas. He wouldn't like Ron Paul.
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Posted by: nb2d2d on Jan 5, 2008 1:38 PM
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The truth remains the truth no matter how you spin it.
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» The Truth is Always Subject to How it Is Spun
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» RE: Swift Boaters REEK compared moveon.org
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» Nonsense. The one thing that would trash my husband's honorable 25-year military career. . .
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Posted by: AndreaN on Jan 5, 2008 7:42 PM
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Posted by: hackbut on Jan 5, 2008 9:47 PM
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If one wants to look at a Democratic myth about military sercvice, just look at the disgusting way they've touted former Georgia senator Max Cleland as a "war hero" when it is well known here in Georgia based on older press reports (suppressed in recent years to support Democratic propaganda) that a more accurate way to describe how Cleland got his admittedly devastating wounds is that he was a F-up who dropped a hand grenade outside the combat zone and wounded himself. Some hero. yet he has been the subject of Democratic lies for years. So, let's not get our pants too much in an uproar about those who reported mostly accurately on Kerry's Vietnam record. The story there was the contrast with the non, possibly scandalous record of George Bush, not that Kerry's record was correctly claimed nor that he was as heroic as many others, living and dead, in Vietnam. So, enough overreaching in this political season - the country doesn't need it.
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» RE: Has BILL DOUGLAS GONE AWAY YET???? OMG, MY BRAIN HURTSSSSSS
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Posted by: danielet on Jan 6, 2008 6:29 AM
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Posted by: riotoustanpdx on Jan 6, 2008 2:36 PM
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Nor would the Departments of government. He would accomplish nothing, and if he tried to force an agenda on the country by Executive Order he would be impeached in short order.
Those who believe he would make a positive difference are delusional.
There is ,b>only one candidate who stands in the middle ground, neither too far to the right, aka Republican, or too far into the pockets of Big Government, as in Obama, Clinton and in some ways Edwards: Bill Richardson
Experienced and not tainted by the big media that reports favorably on the other Big Three Democrats. If they were not favored by the Big Corporate Media, why would they get so much free air time while Richardson has been shut out?
The answer is, of course, that Richardson has the goods, and the agenda that the country needs. He is the one candidate who is not too far out on the fringe to make a difference, and he is not bought and paid for.
This makes Richardson the real deal that the supporters of Ron Paul should be backing, because he can bring this country into The Solar Age without compromising integrity here and around the globe.
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» He lost me with his Water Czar, National Water Policy, "Wisconsin awash in water" talk. . .
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Posted by: ih2005 on Jan 6, 2008 3:47 PM
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At the end of the 18th Century, America proclaimed its independence from the tax slavery of Britain, and codified our soverignty, self-rule and liberty, as citizens, in the Constitution and Bill of Rights. In 1913, the wealthy elite conspired with politicians to persuade an elitist president (a former president of Princeton University) to buy into a scheme to again make us slaves by signing the Federal Reserve and the Income Tax acts. The Fed would print money, at interest, and the income tax would ultimately be the vehicle to ensure its payment. It would be the bankers who would pat themselves on the back.
President Wilson would later say ( 3:42 into Russo video), "I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is now controlled by a system of credit. We are no longer a government of free opinion, no longer a government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men."
And today many Americans are caught up in that "system of credit," much to bankers' delight, instead of working longer and harder hours. Why? Because of the increased tax bite that's taken from their paychecks. If you ask any worker about it, more than likely you'll receive a remark that expresses frustration, powerlessness, and the feeling like his, or her, voice doesn't matter because it's the politicians who are in control.
Of more urgent, and immediate, concern is the taxing of business income and payroll. Businesses attempt to recoup these costs by embedding them in their prices, which are ultimately paid by consumers. This pernicious system of hidden taxation accounts for 22 cents of every retail dollar spent by consumers. This gives Congress a "lever" to extract money from businesses, via lobbyists, to secure "tax favors" resulting in
• an increasingly complex, and expensive, tax code
• higher prices (or lesser dividends to shareholders/401Ks/public retirement funds, or lost jobs to employees - where foreign competition will not let a company raise prices)
• exports not price-competitive, globally
• company relocation to foreign countries with lower costs
• foreign products going untaxed upon entry into the U.S.
How serious is this situation? Dr. Laurence Kotlikoff is on record that, unless citizens' true tax costs are made visible by virtue of enacting the FairTax, politicians will continue to pit rich against poor, individuals against corporations, while they spend us into ruin.
Will the FairTax movement succeed in changing this tax slave / victim psychology? Do we, as individuals, have the ability to influence Congress to relinquish the power they've usurped from We, The People, freeholders engaged in free-enterprise?
Mr. Romney's candidacy is the GOP-as-usual, talking tax reform, while preserving the elitist tax code. At Bain Capital, Mr. Romney used offshore corporations (and continues to) in order to avoid U.S. taxation, and he fee-milked acquired businesses before firing workers and taking them into bankruptcy, to amass his great $250,000,000 wealth.
Compare that to Huckabee/Gravel visionary FairTax. It's pretty easy to see who will lead us out of tax slavery - 5 billion wasted human hours, annually.
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Posted by: billfaster on Jan 6, 2008 4:17 PM
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Posted by: pushytoo on Jan 6, 2008 5:26 PM
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Posted by: mcartri on Jan 6, 2008 11:18 PM
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Posted by: bobtr900 on Jan 7, 2008 2:16 AM
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These are old men who still fear communism; and how long has it been gone. Cheney and Rumsfeld are most likely part of this group. These people are left overs from WWII. They are part of the Texas scene and only death will dislodge them.
The Pope(s) of my religion, Catholicism, are still fighting communiusm. We the people are still being dragged back into thier old and stale fights/wars.
As long as all of them are alive their mindset will always be dragging us down into thier cesspool thinking. They have to create enemies and wars where none any longer exist. Somehow it makes them still feel vital and useful despite the fact that the world is trying to move on and solve todays real problems. Though these people are from a bygone era it is what they understand and it is almost the only thing they understand.
They want to keep things the same and will expend every effort to do so. Neither the world nor America matter to them. The only thing that matters is the remnants and dregs of old memories that linger in their ancient brains. And they will all claim that they do what they do in the name of god(small g, intentional).
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Posted by: zipper696 on Jan 7, 2008 8:05 AM
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Of course, the opposite is true, Snopes has an Obama section that totally refutes all the accusations made.
I made time to write back and direct my friend to the Snopes site, but there is little doubt that variations on these smears will increase as the eventual Dem candidate is decided.
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