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Election 2008

Will the Economic Stimulus Be Too Compromised to Work?

By Joshua Holland, AlterNet. Posted January 16, 2009.


The Obama administration has to get this measure right. There won't be a second chance down the road.
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This week, House Democrats unveiled their vision for an economic recovery package of massive heft -- a bill totaling more than four times the cash spent during FDR's New Deal.

According to the Washington Post, the recovery package, totaling around $825 billion, contains $550 billion in domestic spending -- infrastructure investments, help for those getting pummeled in the downturn and aid to cash-strapped state and local governments -- and about $275 billion in tax cuts for businesses and individuals. The proposal circulating on the Hill calls for:

  • A $500 payroll tax credit for workers making below $75,000. Couples making below $150,000 would receive a $1,000 credit.
  • About $85 billion worth of infrastructure spending, most for highway and bridge construction.
  • A variety of tax incentives to promote development of renewable energy sources. Expanded assistance to workers who are laid off because their jobs are shifted overseas as the result of trade agreements.
  • Unemployment benefits increased by $25 per week, and federal welfare funding for the poor also temporarily increased.
  • Low-income elderly and disabled Social Security recipients would receive a one-time additional monthly payment.
  • $80 billion in funding to states for education programs and about $90 billion for Medicaid assistance.
  • The package also contains "temporary subsidies to workers who have lost their jobs, and would extend the availability of COBRA [health] coverage through former employers, beyond the current 18-month period. Addressing another Obama campaign priority, the bill would launch a new health information technology initiative aimed at establishing nationwide standards, payments incentives and privacy protections for medical records."

Congressional Democrats are also considering including a middle-class tax measure that might add $75 billion to the total value of the bill.

Now the legislative wrangling begins, and Obama's transition team is reportedly hoping to pass the final product with at least 70 votes in the Senate. That means it's going to be the first test of the sunny "post-partisanship" Obama promised Americans on the campaign trail. The $64 question -- or maybe the $825 billion question -- is whether Obama will compromise with Republicans and conservative Democrats to an extent that makes the enormous economic investment fall flat; whether in the name of bringing civility (a mythical civility that never existed) to Washington, hundreds of billions of our tax dollars are dedicated to measures that line the pockets of various constituencies, but ultimately provide little bang for the buck in terms of kick-starting the economy.

Also to be determined on The Hill in the coming weeks is whether, and to what degree, the final stimulus package will represent a real break from Washington's often shortsighted status quo -- with longer-term projects designed to wean America off its 1950s-era, fossil-fuel-driven commuter lifestyle. In the short-term, infrastructure projects may be the way to create new jobs, but simply rebuilding the highways and bridges that enable us to maintain an ultimately unsustainable lifestyle isn't going to bring the United States into the 21st century.

Compromise or Bang for the Buck?

The budgetary debates in Washington have become dully formulaic. The Republicans -- joined by pro-business "Blue Dog" Dems -- want to cut taxes, and although they cage it in rhetoric touting the wonders of entrepreneurial endeavor, the bottom line, as always, is that they want to skew those cuts toward the wealthy.

Both the right-wing Heritage Foundation and the Club for Growth, a corporatist political action committee, have their own proposals for a recovery package. Both have the same prescriptions -- and embody the same ideological assumptions -- as conservative lawmakers in Congress: extend Bush's "temporary" tax cuts into forever, and then cut taxes on corporations and wealthy investors, yet again.

In the House, the Republican Study Committee -- the dead-enders of the conservative movement -- released its plan, which gives a nod to the middle class by increasing the child tax credit, but is otherwise more of the same: tax cuts and a 1 percent decrease in discretionary spending, just when there is something approaching a consensus among economists -- from across the ideological spectrum -- that the government must spend money in an attempt to make up for the fact that people are not.


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It's All Going Down a Rat Hole ...
Posted by: mmckinl on Jan 16, 2009 12:32 AM   
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That "rat hole" is the trillions in toxic debt that will suck up up any signs of life the "Stimulus" might generate.

There are over 150 trillion of unknown derivatives in Wall Street Banks and over 500 trillion spread around the financial system. No sane bank will take any risk whatsoever given that these pools of potential "financial weapons of mass destruction" ( Warren Buffet ) could implode and take the economy with them.

These derivatives are going bad as you read this, meaning more resources will be needed to re-capitalize, then re-re-capitalize banks to the tune if hundreds of billions if not trillions of dollars.

Without a financial "Bank Holiday" any recovery plan is a plan built on sand. The "Stimulus" will be money and more importantly, credibility waisted.

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"Stimulus" is a Raygunite frame.
Posted by: Jennifer Bedingfield on Jan 16, 2009 12:58 AM   
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And why is Obama bothering to invent another one anyway? Ok you wimpy "Democrats" out there. Let's hear it for your pathetic excuses on your refusal to actually pay down the debt as a top priority. Even Pavlovian dogs can be "stimulated" only so many times until their immune ! Mr. Obama, please pay down the FUCKING NATIONAL DEBT and quit playing kissy face for the conservatives !

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» Payday Loans??? Are you crazy? Posted by: phatkhat
» SPAM Posted by: Bliss Doubt
The honeymoon's already over!
Posted by: HoboHomo on Jan 16, 2009 4:27 AM   
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{{ the political moment will end with the new president's honeymoon period. }}

The honeymoon already ended for sexual minorities, the moment Obama selected Rick Warren to give the inaugural invocation. (Need I also mention Warren's pathetic AIDS programs in Africa that Obama has praised, yet have proven disastrous? Or Warren's utter condemnation of a woman's right to abort a pregnancy?) Does Barack's last-minute invite to gay bishop Gene Robinson assuage gay outrage? See article "Why Gene Robinson is too little, too late."

I am a gay activist, indeed a veteran of LGBT suffrage, as I have fought on many fronts for many years (since 1973 in fact). And as a crusader for the liberation of all long suffering minorities (none the least of which are African Americans), I really wanted to unabashedly celebrate this victorious election of the United States' first Commander in Chief of color. But as one dedicated to the liberation of sexual minorities, I have no choice but to stand against our new president through no fault of my own. Instead, I must hold his feet to the coals, along with other outraged gays and their still-too-few allies.

Mr. President-Elect, we may be homosexuals (and bisexuals, transexuals, etc.), but we certainly are no joke to be trashed once our votes have been garnered. Your invite of a notorious homophobe (and anti-abortion zealot) to the presidential inauguration is no less egregious than were, say, hosting the Olympics in Nazi Germany. Refusal to seperate church from state will only lead to devastation and horror, using gays as the stepping stone of a new reich, as the old reich used the Jews.

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Supply-side My Foot
Posted by: ScoobyDoobyDoo on Jan 16, 2009 5:16 AM   
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Capitalism has built in self-defeating mechanisms, which is why it must be bailed out, stimulated, given fresh virgin blood money and exorcised every fortnight. For one, it kills its own 'markets' -in its blind pursuit for profits it reduces costs by increasing productivity, outsourcing jobs, cutting pay, benefits and workers, which ultimately are the consumers -i.e., the market. So when you want things bought, who you gonna' call? Not the executive 'Joe' busters. The supply-sider ideologues and neo-lib-nazis want all protections for the obscenely rich and corporados. You can only sell a few yatchs, which only hires a few. If corporations had any brains -or their CEOs, COOs, CFOs, etc.- they'd be clamoring Congress for greater worker protections, not less (as they do). That would be the logical way to protect the market. No, I'm not advocating for irrational get something-for-nothing, pay-for-no-work, which actually is what the fat short-sighted chums at the top do (pay themselves big for more golf and less work, as they sink the economy, every f...ng time). How do we come out of this mess? Check evolumental for some real paradigm change. The stimulus package, without real change -something Obama has only paid lip service to, so don't expect him doing any- will be more billions wasted in the trough-sink-hole the piranas feed at as long as the corpse of Kapital Dracula is kept zoombing along for another fortnight.

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» RE: Supply-side My Foot Posted by: richholland
» RE: Supply-side My Foot Posted by: Bliss Doubt
» RE: Supply-side My Foot Posted by: tony_opmoc
» RE: Supply-side My Foot Posted by: Bliss Doubt
Can anyone get close to Obama's ear and yell this:
Posted by: Bob Horn on Jan 16, 2009 6:01 AM   
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Nothing you are doing will have any effect on economic recovery untill you make sure all workers have jobs and force their employers to pay them so much that a worker at McDonalds can buy a house and a car.

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Bottom-up Economics
Posted by: ProgressiveManiac on Jan 16, 2009 6:10 AM   
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Ronald RayGun was nothing if not a good propagandist. During his term the phrase "Top Down Economics" was on everyone's lips (especially the pundit class) including a guy who shined my shoes in the O'hare airport one day.

Top-down economics is nearly always a bad idea, but it is a bad idea that has been promoted very professionally in the last 35 years.

Obama has been reading about Lincoln and about Roosevelt to get pointers on how to conduct his presidency. Perhaps he should also take a tip from the Gipper and start campaigning for Bottom-up Economics. It's as catchy a phrase as Regan used and there is now a general awareness of how badly it has failed.

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Bottom-up Economics
Posted by: ProgressiveManiac on Jan 16, 2009 6:12 AM   
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Ronald RayGun was nothing if not a good propagandist. During his term the phrase "Top Down Economics" was on everyone's lips (especially the pundit class) including a guy who shined my shoes in the O'hare airport one day.

Top-down economics is nearly always a bad idea, but it is a bad idea that has been promoted very professionally in the last 35 years.

Obama has been reading about Lincoln and about Roosevelt to get pointers on how to conduct his presidency. Perhaps he should also take a tip from the Gipper and start campaigning for Bottom-up Economics. It's as catchy a phrase as Regan used and there is now a general awareness of how badly the top-down approach has failed.

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Stupid Government
Posted by: beandang on Jan 16, 2009 6:16 AM   
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Of course it is. Our leaders are giving away truck loads of money to banks who are hoarding it to buy up other banks. None of that free money is trckling back down to the sheeple. Greed, Greed and more GREED!

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This is explained very well in Zeitgeist II. nm
Posted by: phatkhat on Jan 16, 2009 7:19 AM   
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If banks continue not to lend then most private business will collapse and the USA may become UASS
Posted by: tony_opmoc on Jan 16, 2009 7:24 AM   
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The Union of American Socialist States

The vast majority of private companies borrow working capital from banks. Projects need to be financed before products can be built and sold. Whilst some companies may have sufficient capital reserves to finance their own working capital, their potential customers maybe in such dire financial straits that even if they produce the products they will be unable to sell them.

We currently appear to be in a spiral of self destruction of the capitalist economy.

Only total reform of the entire world banking system may halt the collapse - which in effect could mean Governments take complete control of banking.

Whilst it is good to build infrastructure and clean up the environment - an activity that may naturally be government controlled and financed - such activity is normally financed from taxes from income and profits from the private economy.

Government sourced activities rarely if ever produce profit and are a net financial drain. However if the private economy effectively collapses, that will be all that is left.

The USA effectively becomes a Communist Country.

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OK Folks, Let's Get A Few Things Straight...
Posted by: yellow on Jan 16, 2009 8:15 AM   
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One of the things Obama's economic advisors expect of the stimulus plan is the creation of about 3.7 million jobs in the first two years of the plan. This will make up for the 2.6 million jobs lost since the start of the current recession in December 2007. It will further provide for the 1.8 million jobs per year that the US economy needs just to keep up with annual net growth of the nation's labor force. Unemployment is the highest its been since the 1990-91 recession.

The real issue here is a plan for full employment or job market recovery. WIth every recession since 1982, it takes longer and longer for the employment rate and job creation levels to return to what they were before the downturn began. Thus, we have entered an epoch of "jobless recoveries" and chronic unemployment and hence, economic stagnation. According to NBER, the 1990 recession lasted only 8 months but took 11 months to complete the job market decline and 30 months from that point for the job market to completely recover. The 2001 recession similarly was 8 months long but took 32 months to complete the job market decline and 48 months for a complete job market recovery. The current recession began in December 2007 making it the longest recession in post-WWII history. Many economists don't expect a job market recovery for many years.

The poverty rate threatens to go up beyond 15% where it was at the start of LBJ's War on Poverty. A massive public investment program on infrastructure would be welcome. Spending to conserve energy through weatherization and retrofitting public buildings for energy efficiency and public transportation to save energy would achieve a compounded stimulus, while also creating jobs and sustaining economic growth for years to come. We need this now.

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» Medicare for All ... NOW ! Posted by: mmckinl
Now, even under Obama, we're fucked. Time for revolution - he has 90 days to show us.
Posted by: thekidde on Jan 16, 2009 10:13 AM   
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From a Post on a UK Financial Website re NORTEL a Few Days Ago
Posted by: tony_opmoc on Jan 16, 2009 3:22 PM   
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"Investors in North America right now are currently convinced that Nortel is about to go bust. That company has $10 billion of revenue and is the biggest telecoms equipment provider in North America and third biggest globally. They only have net debt of $1.7 billion. That's 6 weeks of sales.

We really are on the verge of talking hundreds of companies into bankruptcy."

I see - since that was written -

Nortel Files For Bankruptcy

This is Completely Ridiculous

Its Like Microsoft Going Bust

What The Hell Is Going On?

Tony

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It's Like Watching The Entire Financial System Of The World Being Sucked
Posted by: tony_opmoc on Jan 16, 2009 3:38 PM   
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Into an Enormous Swirling Black Hole

It is incredibly scary

Its like an inverse hurricane

It might not have hit you yet - but its getting bigger and stronger

What's going to be left?

Billions of Unemployed Starving Homeless People?

No Money - How Can We Survive Without Money?

The Human Race Hasn't Tried this for about 10,000 years

Tony

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» It's a cycle Posted by: gellero1
Gee, Will ultra-Corrupt Politicians Gut America?
Posted by: Man_vs_Kleptocracy on Jan 16, 2009 4:14 PM   
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"Obama is coming into office at a time of deep crisis and with a pocketful of political capital. His administration needs to get this measure -- one that will likely define his presidency -- right.”

Obama was put into the oval office by exactly the same corporate felons that created this organized thievery in the 1st place. He comes to Washington in the pocket of criminals.

Like most media pundits, this Alternet writer seems to suffer from long-term AND short-term memory loss. It’s as if all MSM people live at Bizzaro World where everything is slightly off but not actually enough to worry about—at least not as a crisis by rogue design (and certainly never in print). After all “There's some room for optimism” and always a mystery as to why trillions are being stolen under establishment corruption according to this writer.

Above all, real democracy (we have practically none) needs an honest 4th estate press. Not token clowns that re-spin decoy criminal Bulls**t.

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re:trillions stolen under establishment corruption
Posted by: chance garden on Jan 17, 2009 12:11 AM   
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Your point well is well taken considering this whole economic crisis has been a manipulation from the get go...

...the virus of their greed is spreading...

...they want to buy all the real wealth and companies....

...with their phoney money schemes and their speculations and derivatives trading,

and their currencies short-selling...

..and in the process turn us all into economic slaves..

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There are some
Posted by: Braydon on Jan 17, 2009 12:23 AM   
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There are some dissenting voices from the Democrats after the Obama speech on the economy, which we bring to you from your payday loan source. Most of the problems that Democrats have are with the tax cuts that he is proposing that goes with the economic stimulus package that he's putting together, and he's planning to make a payday loan of sorts to the American Middle Class. Obama has been having quite the high times lately, and he has just been declared – officially – the winner of the November election, and he's mulling a delay in the analog/digital transition. To read all about Obama’s big day, check out this article by your payday loan source.

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THE MEMBERS OF CONGRESS HAVE STARTED TO RAISE CAMPAIGN FUNDS FOR THEIR NEXT RUN. IF THEY HAVEN'T
Posted by: Raymond Emerson on Jan 17, 2009 9:26 AM   
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they probably won't be there next term. Addressing whether these guys have to sell their souls should come first. If they knew that they didn't have to raise campaign money we might just get them back to kissing the right people, us.

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'stimulus' = INFLATION
Posted by: gellero1 on Jan 18, 2009 5:24 PM   
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I don't know if the Messiah has some college background in economics. And he certainly doesn't remember sound money ( remember when paper dollars said 'silver certificate'?? - I thought not )
Even Federal Reserve Notes said 'promise to pay the bearer'. Check it out...they don't even say that now.

The Messiah is at the mercy of those forces that print ( or order printing ) of the currency. THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE DEMS AND REPUBS IN THIS RESPECT.

The money will be printed and spent for whatever the party in power thinks is necessary. It will NOT go in your pocket, at least for a while.

But it will ultimately get there. And you will believe you made out great.

But remember Economics 101....this is referred to as 'monetizing debt'.

Here's what the Messiahs advisers are doing....they pay off ( buy ) worthless securities with newly printed ( fiat ) money.
The dollars hit the street. The velocity of money brings things back and humming again.

Your local union bus driver will earn $125,000/ year. But face facts...he's still a bus driver, and his real standard of living will have decreased. Your movie ticket will be $35.Popcorn $15.
You will think you are 'rich'. But you will have the same or less.

YOUR SAVINGS AND INSURANCE POLICIES AND ANNUITIES DENOMINATED IN DOLLARS WILL NOT BE WORTH WHAT YOU THOUGHT.

Anyone who believes otherwise is deluded.

If you have cash now, or can get it, buy gold, rare coins, or real property.

Most posters here seem young, have no understanding of 'money', no basis in history....and have bought into the 'rope a dope' campaign strategy of 'change' and 'hope'.

Those concepts are for Rehab and Preachers.

Protect yourself. We're in for years of inflation.

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