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Did You Know 200,000 Vets Are Sleeping on the Streets?

By Aaron Glantz, New America Media. Posted January 3, 2009.


America's promise to "Support the Troops" ends the moment they take off the uniform and try to make the transition to civilian life.
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SAN FRANCISCO - Roy Lee Brantley shivers in the cold December morning as he waits in line for food outside the Ark of Refuge mission, which sits amid warehouses and artists lofts a stone's throw from the skyscrapers of downtown San Francisco.

Brantley's beard is long, white and unkempt. The African-American man's skin wrinkled beyond his 62 years. He lives in squalor in a dingy residential hotel room with the bathroom down the hall. In some ways, his current situation marks an improvement. "I've slept in parks," he says, "and on the sidewalk. Now at least I have a room."

Like the hundreds of others in line for food, Brantley has worn the military uniform. Most, like Brantley, carry their service IDs and red, white and blue cards from the Department of Veterans Affairs in their wallets or around their necks. In 1967, he deployed to Vietnam with the 1st Cavalry Division of the U.S. Army. By the time he left the military five years later, Brantley had attained the rank of sergeant and been decorated for his valor and for the wounds he sustained in combat.

"I risked my life for this democracy and got a Bronze Star," he says. "I shed blood for this country and got the Purple Heart after a mortar blast sent shrapnel into my face and leg. But when I came back home from Vietnam I was having problems. I tried to hurt my wife because she was Filipino. Every time I looked at her I thought I was in Vietnam again. So we broke up."

In 1973, Brantley filed a disability claim with the federal government for mental wounds sustained in combat overseas. Over the years, the Department of Veterans Affairs has denied his claim five separate times. "You go over there and risk your life for America and your mind's all messed up, America should take care of you, right," he says, knowing that for him and the other veterans in line for free food that promise has not been kept.

On any given night 200,000 U.S. veterans sleep homeless on the streets of America. One out of every four people -- and one out of every three men -- sleeping in a car, in front of a shop door, or under a freeway overpass has worn a military uniform. Some like Brantley have been on the streets for years. Others are young and women returning home wounded from Iraq and Afghanistan, quickly slipping through the cracks.

For each of these homeless veterans, America's promise to "Support the Troops" ended the moment he or she took off the uniform and tried to make the difficult transition to civilian life. There, they encountered a hostile and cumbersome bureaucracy set up by the Department of Veterans Affairs. In a best-case scenario, a wounded veteran must wait six months to hear back from the VA. Those who appeal a denial have to wait an average of four and a half years for their answer. In the six months leading up to March 31st of this year, nearly 1,500 veterans died waiting to learn if their disability claims would be approved by the government.

There are patriotic Americans trying to solve this problem. Last month, two veterans' organizations, Vietnam Veterans of America and Veterans of Modern Warfare, filed suit in federal court demanding the government decide disability claims brought by wounded soldiers within three months. Predictably, however, the VA is trying to block the effort. On December 17, their lawyers convinced Reggie Walton, a judge appointed by President Bush, who ruled that imposing a quicker deadline for payment of benefits was a task for Congress and the president-not the courts.

President-elect Barack Obama has the power to end this national disgrace. He has the power to ensure to streamline the VA bureaucracy so it helps rather than fights those who have been wounded in the line of duty. He can ensure that this latest generation of returning veterans from Iraq and Afghanistan does not receive the bum rap the Vietnam generation got. Let 2008 be the last year thousands of homeless veterans stand in line for free food during the holiday season. Let it be the last year hundreds of thousands sleep homeless on the street.

 


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Aaron Glantz is the author of two books on Iraq: The War Comes Home: Washington's Battle Against America's Veterans (UC Press) and Winter Soldier Iraq and Afghanistan: Eyewitness Accounts of the Occupations (Haymarket). He edits the website Liked this story? Get top stories in your inbox each week from Election 2008! Sign up now »


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CYA
Posted by: zgregz on Jan 3, 2009 12:37 AM   
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This was one of the most important facts of life you learn in the Army. I don't know if the rest of the military runs this way.....
What CYA means is "cover your ass." In other words don't do anything that might be put on your personnel record, and would screw you up for a promotion. This obviously concerns something negative, but oddly will also include many positive actions you might take if you had a conscience. For example, you see a buddy with a real psychological problem festering and out of concern report it to a superior. Army practice requires this be your immediate supervisor, but SGT Rock feels if he reports up the chain of command that some where it will #1 piss off the guy above him ( Demerit on personnel record? ) or should it go higher the division commander might get his ass in the wringer, at which time EVERYONE down the line will pay for the black mark on his record. The net result is NOTHING gets taken care of other than expected military bull.
Did any one get their head out of their ass to make sure troops had the new ceramic inserts for the body armor --NOPE. When Donald Rumsfeld and the US Army cancelled the Army's order for mine resistant vehicles in 2001 did any one do anything -- other than take the info off the internet -- NOPE. When Pat Tillman was killed by his own men did any Army official try to uncover the truth? --NOPE! Problem is the system is designed for the exact result you see time and time again, cover up -- shut up -- keep up that shiny exterior so the Commander in Chief doesn't look like the nimrod he is, cause THEN the shit would roll down hill.

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» RE: MY TAKE ON CYA Posted by: Cybershaman
» RE: CYA Posted by: Mrs. Jefferson
Another achievement of the Republican Revolution
Posted by: Perry Logan on Jan 3, 2009 4:00 AM   
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Of course, rampant homelessness is another achievement of the Republican Revolution.

By the late 1980s, homelessness in had swollen to 600,000 on any given night – and 1.2 million over the course of a year. Many were Vietnam veterans, children and laid-off workers.

The single most devastating thing Reagan did to create homelessness was when he cut the budget for the Department of Housing and Urban Development by three-quarters, from $32 billion in 1981 to $7.5 billion by 1988. The department was the main governmental supporter of subsidized housing for the poor. Add this to Reagan’s overhaul of tax codes to reduce incentives for private developers to create low-income homes and you had a major crisis for low-income families and individuals. Under Reagan, the number of people living beneath the federal poverty line rose from 24.5 million in 1978 to 32.5 million in 1988.

And the number of homeless people went from something so little it wasn’t even written about widely in the late 1970s to more than 2 million when Reagan left office. (Democracy Now)


A Disquisition on Bubbles

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take a cue from the lower primates
Posted by: aislinnluv on Jan 3, 2009 4:01 AM   
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and start throwing shit at the onlookers peering through the cage bars. unfortunately, it's too late for the turds to land on any target that might have had the authority to initiate change over the last 8 years, so i guess the apes will have to hold onto their fecal ammo and see if the new CIC will take action to ameliorate the problem. our brothers and sisters, whom we have been exhorted to "support", deserve far better than the treatment they have received from the powers that led them into the dangerous fray and then left them high and dry and damaged.

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It doesn't take a genious
Posted by: US Citizen 07 on Jan 3, 2009 4:36 AM   
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to figure out, that when they are combat worthy, they are priceless.

When they are no longer useful, they are no better than the rest of the civilian trash.

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» RE: go figure? Posted by: Lauren
Why does the mental health industry/federal government WANT them fucked up?
Posted by: Lauren on Jan 3, 2009 5:34 AM   
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Arran Frood, Nature (online), November 13, 2008.

The controversial drug MDMA - known to recreational users as 'ecstasy' - can help ease the effects of post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD), according to the first phase-II clinical trial into the potential therapeutic benefits of using the drug as an adjunct to psychotherapy.

I just discovered and posted a few days ago that the Israel mafia has an interest in the 'ecstasy' market.

Keeping it illegal keeps it profitable, it also keeps all those soldiers drunk and drug abusing on the street. It is a conspiracy to defraud and destroy the strength of our country in every way.

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Here's where "Change" really could do some good, BUT
Posted by: madmax427 on Jan 3, 2009 5:36 AM   
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it ain't going to happen, because the "Government" programming of the American Citizen is just too effective!

EVERYONE is ONLY interested in Their OWN little problem(s)! the "Let Him or Her, fight for what They want & I'll fight for Mine". The fallacy of this is lost on Our Ignorant response to it! The Truth that IF We banded TOGETHER to SOLVE ONE Major problem at a time (like ALL of Us), We COULD NOT be "managed" or "handled" by the "system"! After a VERY short period of time EVEN Our "Government" would get the message! But fear not, Our 'I'll get Mine, You get Yours' attitude will CONTINUE & Our "Government will keep on screwing Us over, one LITTLE Group at a time!

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The American Veterans and Servicemembers Survivial Guide
Posted by: DanYHKim on Jan 3, 2009 5:51 AM   
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Veterans for America has written a 500+ page book called the American Veterans and Servicemembers Survivial Guide to help returning veterans navigate the system. An editorial in the New York Times states:

Unless and until the government significantly improves its treatment of veterans… they will have to keep looking to one another for help, as they always have.

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VA rules--FUBAR
Posted by: littlepitcher on Jan 3, 2009 6:29 AM   
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VA usually does not allow reimbursement of a veteran's health care if s/he has had to use community health care facilities. They are required to go to regional centers which often are staffed by impaired or incompetent physicians and assistants.

Despite "veterans' preference" in hiring, vets are too often seen as armed and crazy, and end up living the combat-trained life in the woods because they can't afford housing while un/underemployed.

Substance abuse levels among vets--horrifying, and because of the reimbursement problem, a substantial waiting list exists for substance abuse residential treatment. This problem is the major cause of homelessness among vets: self-medicating for PTSD and for pain from service-related injuries.

Anecdotally, an acquaintance of mine has just been diagnosed with advanced prostate CA. VA examined him for years but never bothered to run a PSA, a no-brainer basic for male patients over 50. Are the doctors impaired or just stupid?

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The Solicitor General is charged with litigating on behalf of the government before the Supreme Cour
Posted by: Lauren on Jan 3, 2009 6:59 AM   
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Female deans of Harvard and Stanford law under consideration for Solicitor General.»

Bloomberg reports that the first female deans of the Harvard and Stanford law schools — Elena Kagan and Kathleen Sullivan — “are the top candidates to serve” as Barack Obama’s Solicitor General.

No woman has ever served in that position on a permanent basis. Kagan “became a top candidate for solicitor general after being passed over for deputy attorney general, a slot set to go to Washington lawyer David Ogden.”

The Solicitor General is charged with litigating on behalf of the government before the Supreme Court and determining whether lower court decisions should be appealed.


In the comments I found this,

Jackie Says:
but she’s not a jurist and she is a lesbian,
Miss Sullivan is a lesbian but Alito is a closet gay. Roberts wont say anything after he was caught with his girlfriend while on vacation and had that heart problem.

Both woman know Constitutional Law which is more then we had for 8 years with Ashcrof and Gonzo. It’s would be nice to see qualified people put in position for a change.

January 3rd, 2009 at 12:45 am


Yes it's gossip, but it goes along with the whole Jeff Gannon story, which is sad but true, and covering up a huge conspiracy to commit fraud of the worst kind against the American people.

Truly, the cover-up is shocking. So everyone is under suspicion now, even our highest jurisprudence. In fact them most of all.

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YES, AS A MATTER OF FACT I KNEW THAT
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Jan 3, 2009 7:14 AM   
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Now let's find out how many of them live in Illinois. Then stop the 3 ring circus out there and remind them that they have a job to do. 'Blogo' was not elected to provide material for late nite comedy. If Obama is the pragmatist they claim he is, this crap will stop. 200,000 veterans are homeless because the people who should be addressing the problem don't know and don't care. ANNA

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May Ann Coulter wash their feet
Posted by: weathered on Jan 3, 2009 7:39 AM   
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This is the fallout of what well choreographed lies engender.

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You know, legalizing Cannabis for the troops could help them recover physically and mentally.
Posted by: maxpayne on Jan 3, 2009 8:39 AM   
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And then they won't be crippled by war madness.

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» I agree Posted by: marid
Excellent! These cannon fodder neanderthals are lucky they are not being tried for war crimes
Posted by: MeyravLevine on Jan 3, 2009 8:49 AM   
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All of these Vets (if they served in the invasion of any foreign country post WWII) are guilty of waging war for the profits of the ruling elites in US.

They had a moral and legal duty to refuse to serve and kill innocent civilians around the globe.

These filthy animals don't deserve any sympathy.

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» Hold on there Posted by: we_need_Abe
» Bad post Posted by: weathered
» xcellent post! Posted by: we_need_Abe
If anyone should be pissed, vets should
Posted by: we_need_Abe on Jan 3, 2009 8:49 AM   
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Although all american citizens should be angry as hell at the fleecing of america by the Federal Reserve and Wall Street, and at being lied into ANOTHER senseless war that only benefits multi-national business interests, it is the men and women of the armed services who should unite and rise in real anger. Most of us are only paying for these lies with money. They put their lives on the line and many paid for it with their life.

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» Thank Marid Posted by: we_need_Abe
Off my chest, out of my life into a finger stall for Congress' fundamental orifices!
Posted by: Nightstallion on Jan 3, 2009 9:53 AM   
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Want to know about why survivalists are arming in your woods? Want to know why 90% of the veterans won't talk seriously about the personal depredations of war on themselves. Want to know why I and thousands of others have been homeless from time to time and Thousands of others are homeless right now? Good fucking luck finding out.

I am a Veteran and even I have not been able to find out even though I have been homeless and on the street for months. I have lived in shelters, doorways and under bridges. When I was compos mentis enough to ask why I would. I have never understood the answers! They are as many and sundry as the number of veterans in any given area.

NO VETERAN has ever answered me with what I felt was the complete truth. Most of these guys have told me in no uncertain terms that though they were treated wrongly it was because of SINGULAR individuals and not the System that was intended to serve them. Many told me it was because agency or agencies unnamed were singling them out PERSONALLY to deny them service. Some were even certain it was they who did something wrong that placed them in the predicament they find themselves in now. I was fortunate in that when I was on the street, I came to the conclusion that it was up to ME to get off it and into treatment for alcoholism and other things that had gone wrong with me.

I was a self starter in that at least! But, since I had got help by going to the Public Assistance route I was in eligible for Military service. That is now changing and is in a state of flux. The military however may NEVER decide in my favor in my case. I will not go back on the street again, this time if I fall I am headed for prison. I will not be ignored again. I will do whatever is required of me to make sure THIS time in lands in a Newspaper.
Aaron Glantz baby boy: I think you should check your sources about how many of us are on the street. Here in Washington State alone in Kitsap County there are over 20,000 veterans alone who will not even go to town to GET in the street.

I am a Nam Era Veteran, NO I personally was not in The Nam. However, in these woods out here from hells half acre in Forks to all kinds of little hidey holes are little knots of guys NOT just Nam Vet’s but Korea, Gulf war, Desert storm, Panama Invasion you name we got! What about them? These people are totally off the radar. Then God Help us there are the Survivalists!

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» I'm impressed Madrid! Posted by: we_need_Abe
On a different note, some of us who were given no choice but go to your dirty ass little wars!
Posted by: Nightstallion on Jan 3, 2009 10:32 AM   
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When I was young and dodging the draft because some petty little county official refused to put me on the Conscientious Objector list. All you assholes were telling me what a chicken shit little bitch I was for not jumping up to fight for truth justice and the American way. In spite of the fact that eighteen months later you had totally reversed yourselves on that opinion.

Meanwhile, after I was told the quota of CO’s was filled for my County by some lying bitch, your fucking senators passed a law that made it a felony to dodge the draft and wrote the law so that if I was caught I would be given a choice to serve in some branch of the Military or go to Leavenworth Federal Prison. As if that wasn’t bad enough if I were caught and Joined as my option, then when I was discharged I would be given an undesirable discharge after three years of service! Well I joined before your fucking little prick MP’s who had been taught to hunt us could catch me.

So fuck you assholes fuck you all to hell and beyond! I have to listen to the judgmental prattling of fucking punks who were not even born yet about how I am a criminal for going into military service. You know shit! You know jack dick shit you little dickless wonders. With your jaded ass ignorant little opinions about why men go to war as if you fucking knew what the holy Christ you were talking about. Smarmy little prigs with dicks no larger than twigs and zero balls to boot!

Fuck a bunch of May Ann Coulters Cook that seamy bitch cunt on a spit and serve her up to this wasted ass congress that put GEORGE W. BUSH in charge of anything but cleaning toilets. The whole lot of them should be dragged out of the fucking halls of Congress and impaled on the front lawn. You have no fucking idea how pissed I am at you stupid, thoughtless, empty, shallow, gutless little prune faced fucks

You keep telling me how I should be proud or killed for being a Veteran and I am going to take my weaseley faggot ass into Rambo Mode and kick the dog shit out of some fool before I eat his liver in front of his family. Now, is that what it is going to take or will you assholes use a little sensitivity with the Vets who REALLY THOUGHT they were trying to help. Remember, in the same position even YOUR ASS COULD BE BRAINWASHED!

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» RE: Vets were trying to help? Posted by: MeyravLevine
» RE: Vets were trying to help? Posted by: politicky
» RE: MeyravLevine Posted by: politicky
» Intellectual morons? Posted by: TennMom
» RE: Vets were trying to help? Posted by: aussidawg
» RE: Vets were trying to help? Posted by: Nightstallion
200,000 of bravest ignored.
Posted by: gandolfshep on Jan 3, 2009 10:36 AM   
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Having served 2 years in combat in Vietnam in the 60's I am one of the countless that has seen how the system works, or fails.

I have sat in a waiting chair at the VA for 6 hours past my appointment time to see a doctor. God forbid I had to go to their emergency room. Then you have a two to four hour wait for you meds to be filled.

Are their 200,000? I don't know but I believe that maybe a bit conseravitive. I have been homeless many times and had over 100 different low paying jobs through out the years since returning home to spit and verbal abuse.

I see a homeless Vet almost everyday and feel a deep guilt when they ask for spare change and I can only afford a meal for them.

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Reagan also closed 90% of "mental" hospital beds.
Posted by: billwald on Jan 3, 2009 11:19 AM   
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IF VA homes were built, how many of the 200,000 would volunteer to stay in them?

Do not many of them also have mental problems? If a person has a head cold he takes head cold meds and stops when he if feeling better. Many people with mental problems stop taking their meds when they feel better. Then they have a set back. Crazy people don't take their meds because they are not rational.

Our legal system has concluded that one has a constitution right to be crazy unless one is also an immediate threat to life or property. A potential threat 5 years down the road doesn't matter. Can't lock up a person because in 5 years he might stop taking his meds.

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We have a long history
Posted by: willymack on Jan 3, 2009 11:59 AM   
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Of ignoring our armed forces members, after the wars, or when they come home. The Bonus Army comes to mind. I emerged from Vietnam physically unscathed, but mentally messed up. I was a dangerous person for a while, and people were afraid of me. I recovered from that in time,(entirely on my own, I might add), but many others didn't.My next-door neighbor is a case in point. He claimed he was messed up from exposure to Agent Orange, and couldn't understand why the VA wouldn't listen to him. He WAS a bit eccentric as he liked to sunbathe nude in his back yard. This wouldn't have been a big deal, except he was visible to the neighbors. He was a crackerjack carpenter and a gifted artist. He was also a heavy pot smoker. It finally dawned on me that he was medicating himself for the pain and suffering caused by dioxin poisoning. The government stonewalled on the Agent Orange issue for some twenty years before finally admitting they knew about the situation all along, and began properly treating those put in harm's way. The moral here is that wars are begun and maintained by greedy psychopaths, interested ONLY in their personal enrichment.

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THIS IS A DAMN SHAME!!!!
Posted by: stopthemaddness2 on Jan 3, 2009 2:19 PM   
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THIS IS A DAMN SHAME! UNACCEPTABLE!

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I have spent a lot of time in a Veteran's hospital in Florida
Posted by: Ellie1 on Jan 3, 2009 2:42 PM   
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with my late father, who was a ww2 vet. Those guys looked pretty good, of course the ones who didn't were long gone. The help in these hospitals is compassionate and copes the best they can. It is the Vietnam and Iraqi vets my heart broke for. It made me furious to enter this large hospital past a picture of George W. Bush(it), the biggest vet murderer of them all.

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Angels for Unhoused Vets
Posted by: marizara on Jan 3, 2009 3:56 PM   
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There are so many elderly and disabled people living on disability, who have extra rooms in their homes. -- Why don't we ease up on the housing rules for a while, and allow those who want to to take one of these soldiers into their home, without penalty. -- I'm sure there would be a lot of takers. -- These people don't deserve to be living on the street. -- Shame on all of us for allowing it.

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My Father
Posted by: wormfarmer on Jan 3, 2009 6:18 PM   
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was in the Army Corps of Engineers right after Hiroshima and Nagasaki and had the demons chasing him for most of his functioning alcoholic life, my brother was in communications in Viet Nam, and has his demons too. How many generations of messed up people are we going to tolerate? My nephew recently joined the Oregon National Guard and will be deployed to the middle east soon. This government was established to SERVE the PEOPLE that make up the population. Lets wake up and have the constitution fulfill the original purpose!
Its up to US!

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Woah is this some harsh shit or what? Pinch me wake me up.
Posted by: Nightstallion on Jan 3, 2009 9:48 PM   
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I have seen some strange shit here today folks. I truly believe this person does not know where she lives. Or if she does, then she is the worst kind of criminal. Even more than any Republican including Abe Lincoln that ever strutted the globe.

I have always in all my years I have supported states rights over the Fed. Individual rights over State rule. The state cannot be right or wrong because a state is IMMORAL by its very nature. The blow that Individual rights suffered by Lincoln’s existence are immeasurable by any human standard.

I do not say that he needed assassination,but that he needed correction. Such correction that is improbable even today. We do not live in a civilization here we live in an Occupied Territory, A place where fewer than 23 % of the denizens have anything to say about governance let alone representation.

This is not a democracy, it never has been. It is a Religious Corporatocracy, which is a Chimera of Mammon and the worst brainwashing aspects of Christian Religion. On the surface of it this is not a good thing, and the infrastructure is based on demon worship on an unconscious level. ANY THING that is anti-life takes life without hope of replenishment. That used to be known as devil worship. The same things now are being called Justice in our American courts. Do you think that men could be suffering the death penalty on no solid evidence otherwise?

Do you truly believe some twit could be telling you are responsible for your own victimization otherwise? In a way she right you know, you are responsible for your victimization. After all you were the ones who manufactured your own leashes about what is loyalty and what isn’t!

Do you believe that you should continue to swallow these glib lies like some greased and nameless asshole? (Apologies Billy) Or do you think you should unleash the worst of us? The neural experiments, the mind control failures, the lobotomy cases the temporal lobe erasures, all the mad emotionless murderers used in Nam and Panama to rend tear and maim the civilians we were intended to preserve without your knowledge of us?

Welcome to the REAL black sleep you spineless whimpering simpering lemmings. Let us give you a taste of what our homeland gave us after the battle field; worse than betrayal, purposeful, painful, disrespectful, indifference! The ignominy of being ignored to death! Here we come sweeties you will know when we find you, and we will find you in broad daylight or in your beds at night.

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Fight back the system...don't enlist
Posted by: donl51 on Jan 3, 2009 11:04 PM   
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....I was in vietnam almost 4 out of my 6 year stint,in the milatary,I lucked out by emerging whole!,but I've freinds who weren't so lucky and they got the shaft this country was so willing to hand out!....and those still alive,still are...some I helped but how many can any one person do...today the job market sucks and its so easy to fall into that propaganda trap the milatary recruiters hand out!...go where they are,hold up signs ,beat the liars at their own game...working at Mc Donalds trumps todays milatary...you wish to be pariotic? help your country? there are so many other ways....we didn't know these things when I joined following high school in 1963,I could have gone onto college,....today,I would never be so stupid to fall in that trap...you give life and limb for what exactly???..a warm city grate?...thanks but no thanks!!....so hold back! use your brains,maybe,just maybe the powers that be will figure it out...just don't hold your breath.....from a real war veteran!...PS if theres one thing we've all learned,unless you've been living in a cave,is that our Goverment..lies!!

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On the other hand.....
Posted by: richard0a37 on Jan 4, 2009 1:20 AM   
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In 2,000 the U.S. Census counted 25,375 towns and over 3,000 counties.

That means less than 10 homeless Vets per town, hardly earth shattering.

On the other hand,

http://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/publications/ the-numbers-count-mental-disorders-in-america.shtml tells us that:

Mental disorders are common in the United States and internationally. An estimated 26.2 percent of Americans ages 18 and older — about one in four adults — suffer from a diagnosable mental disorder in a given year.

When applied to the 2004 U.S. Census residential population estimate for ages 18 and older, this figure translates to 57.7 million people.

Even though mental disorders are widespread in the population, the main burden of illness is concentrated in a much smaller proportion — about 6 percent, or 1 in 17 — who suffer from a serious mental illness.

In addition, mental disorders are the leading cause of disability in the U.S. and Canada for ages 15-44.

Many people suffer from more than one mental disorder at a given time. Nearly half (45 percent) of those with any mental disorder meet criteria for 2 or more disorders, with severity strongly related to comorbidity.

It's all very well thrusting a large figure in front of your audience so they can throw their hands up in horror and disgust, but, taking the wider picture, you can see that, statistically, the number of homeless Vets is actually very small.

According to http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16564208/

There were 744,000 homeless people in total in the United States in 2005, according to the first national estimate in a decade.

Besides, homelessness is the stuff of Hollywood movies. In the film 'Coming to America', Eddie Murphy pretends to be a crippled and homeless USA Vet. Every TV detective story is based on crime consequential to homelessness, poverty etc. In other words, it has become entertainment.

However, this article is written purely to cast further criticism on the Bush Administration, and not as a means to solving the problems of homelessness.

The image of the USA has been carefully constructed ever since someone looked through the lens of a movie camera and declared: 'we can really do something with this'. There must be hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of movies dedicated to presenting just the right image of USA since the beginning of the 20th century.

We just love the officer's uniform. It gives us a sense of pride, prestige, stability, power, confidence, virility, and at some stage in their careers, all movie stars play high ranking officers. Even Tom Cruise in 'Lions for Lambs' has his picture taken standing next to George W Bush and Condeleezza Rice, which also stars Robert Redford and Meryl Streep.

Hollywood films like to merge fantasy with reality, while the media endeavour to create pictures in our minds that suggest the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

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Obsessed with the military
Posted by: richard0a37 on Jan 4, 2009 1:41 AM   
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One of the things that has become apparent over the past 8 years is just how deeply ingrained the US population is with affairs military.

Does no one ever think about anything else? Occasionally, I see a member of the armed services walking down the street in UK, but to me, he lives on a different planet, for I cannot imagine what has possessed him to join an institution whose prime purpose is to kill strangers.

It's almost as if the military has become a way of life with the US population in general. Here in UK, the Queen is the head of the armed services, and the public persona between her and the military is very Alice in Wonderland like. Here in UK, the military presence is very low key.

So it could be that the sabre rattling that the USA is forever engaged in across the planet is what has led to a surge in military activity by all other nations. If the US Military left all the nations it currently occupies, the odds are this would lead to a much healthier situation world wide.

It's the US Military who occupy other nations, not the other way round. If a criminal entered your house, you would not be able to rest. This is why everything that Bush says is a big fat lie.

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Discriminatory Article
Posted by: Adnihilo on Jan 4, 2009 9:35 AM   
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Singling out Vets who killed for a Fed Gov't political agenda [after WW2] from the hordes of other homeless Americans infers these Vets are more 'deserving' of relief from their desperate state of homelessness. Perhaps there should be more empathy for homeless Vets forced by the gov't to kill for their political agendas through the draft, but Vets who 'volunteered' to kill for a political agenda are surely no more deserving of relief from their state of homelessness than any other homeless American.....

Volunteering to kill for a US Gov't regime's political agenda surely doesn't make an American 'patriotic'. If anything, it just means they're stupid or ignorant of reality. There is not a soldier alive or dead who ever fought for the freedom of any American born after WW 2. Except perhaps the Cuban Missile Crisis...

Patriotism doesn't come from picking up a gun to kill Government-designated 'enemies of the state'. If alleged 'patriotic' Americans stopped volunteering to kill for a gov't imperialistic political agenda the gov't would again be forcing Americans to kill for them... And that only leads to political and economic revolution - something this country desperately needs.. This would seem to indicate soldiers who volunteered to kill for our Gov't's political agendas were something other than 'patriotic' Americans...

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A good use for Bernie Maddow's billions
Posted by: weathered on Jan 4, 2009 10:59 AM   
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Build rehabs for Vets, is that too much to ask?

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In response to
Posted by: wormfarmer on Jan 4, 2009 11:03 AM   
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those that are pointing out my nephew is fighting in an illegal war: We all know it is illegal. My nephew is an idiot in my opinion, and by the response, yours too. He signed on to become cannon fodder in what has become known as the, "economic draft". The military preys on young people just like my nephew in order to sustain war. Malleable idiots. Instead of pointing out that the horse is out of the barn,I think WE should pressure CONGRESS to stop funding this "Illegal WAR", (occupation), and pay attention to the physical, psychological and spiritual health of our peoples. Dwight Eisenhower's original draft warning of the power of the military industrial complex was the military, industrial, CONGRESSIONAL complex.It is time to make THE PEOPLES wishes known to the funding source of this mess. Eisenhower also said that a knowledgeable citizenry is needed to guide our future, an unhealthy people cannot defend it self against foreign or DOMESTIC influence.
Thank You all, but the horse is out of the barn. What if they held a war, and nobody came?

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» RE: In response to Posted by: gandolfshep
The Republicans and the Bush regime Were are are an A moral mafia
Posted by: cori on Jan 4, 2009 2:59 PM   
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We have been raped and pillaged by a bunch that doesn’t care if we die in the gutter. They told thousands of responders who helped save lives during 911 that it was safe to breath the air and when they got sick they refused to pay them benefits. Thousands still suffer today. This regime is only about the money that they get. Life is short for all of us but these greedy sociopaths have no conscience. They have left the Iraqi's and us in the rubble. We live in a nation where our government doesn't give a rats ass about us and unless we fight and protest for a better government we won't get it. Today, our family has cut way back in our spending and I actually feel that by not spending, I am not supporting a government that is cruel, abusive and unjust. While our nation is on the edge of a depression, Congress gave itself a big pay raise. But it is the youth who should be fighting for their future. And fighting is the way to go. When Chaney got up and announced that we are safer because he tortured people, he was really sending a message to congress and that message was, don't mess with me. I wouldn't put it pass them to arrange some disaster just to show that Obama is weak on security. As Biden said “Chaney is the most dangerous Vice President we have ever had.” He is a mad man, and those in congress who lack humanity and sanity, and who like Chaney, have no regard for human life are the reason why our vets are living on the streets.

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parting words
Posted by: NAM67VET on Jan 4, 2009 4:06 PM   
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Well,it's been an interesting thread. I usually won't read one to the end, but this kept my interest because there seemed to be a balance between veterans sharing their unique ways of dealing with pain, a few folks who understood without having been there, and the mindless idiots who rub salt in old, old and very deep wounds.
To the vets, whether Nam vets like me, doing flashbacks to how we coped with war and the "homecoming" we didn't get, or our young sisters and brothers coming back (and going again and again and again)to the same bullshit treatment by the same bullshit government, I say "Welcome Home!"
To the vets and to those who stand with us, I say, "Join VVAW or IVAW, and stand with veterans against the bullshit wars and for the wounded warriors."
To the mewling pukes who want to feel big by crapping on those who went to fight and left a piece of their souls overseas in a pool of horror and gore, I say what we said to the VFW and American Legion and the other right-wingers who didn't want us around: fuck you. We will take care of ourselves and one another, and you may picture yourselves as on the receiving end of a size 11 jungle combat boot being thrown at your head.
There. That's enough to make the old man feel better.

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» RE: parting words Posted by: gandolfshep
Homeless veterans post only half the story
Posted by: namguardianangel on Jan 4, 2009 6:53 PM   
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There were over 300,000 homeless veterans after Vietnam and most of them because of PTSD. This caused drug and alcohol use instead of medication because it seemed no one cared enough. What most people don't understand is we are destined to repeat the same mistakes. We lost between 150,000 and 200,000 to suicide after Vietnam. Over 300,000 ended up homeless and the figures were over 800,000 experienced temporary homelessness. Over 500,000 Vietnam veterans were diagnosed with PTSD by 1978. The DAV commissioned a study and this is fact however some in the media will report on whatever they are told whenever they are told it instead of doing their own fact finding.

This came from the National Coalition for Homeless Veterans

How many homeless veterans are there?

Although accurate numbers are impossible to come by -- no one keeps national records on homeless veterans -- the VA estimates that nearly 200,000 veterans are homeless on any given night. And nearly 400,000 experience homelessness over the course of a year. Conservatively, one out of every three homeless men who is sleeping in a doorway, alley or box in our cities and rural communities has put on a uniform and served this country. According to the National Survey of Homeless Assistance Providers and Clients (U.S. Interagency Council on Homelessness and the Urban Institute, 1999), veterans account for 23% of all homeless people in America.
http://www.nchv.org/background.cfm


While homeless veterans are a huge problem, what also needs to be part of the discussion is incarcerated veterans along with the devastating affects on the children of PTSD veterans when they don't know what it is. I really appreciate it when people shine the light on PTSD because the more they read about it, the greater the chance we can finally get some of this right. Two thirds of the population of America don't know what it is but over 7 million have it. The problem is, too many have it but don't know what it is.

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Who cares?
Posted by: 876 on Jan 5, 2009 6:57 AM   
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Did You Know 200,000 Vets Are Sleeping on the Streets?


Good maybe these idiot patriots who are so happy to murder and tyrannize impoverished people will learn something and serve as a lesson to anyone who would follow in their foot steps. My sympathy lies with the devastated people of Iraq and Afghanistan not a bunch of entitled Americans. When was the last time Americans had any remorse for the misery they create for millions of people?

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» RE: Who cares? Posted by: gandolfshep
» RE: Who cares? Posted by: Dboy
It's more like a million vet's on the street.
Posted by: jeffrey7 on Jan 5, 2009 1:47 PM   
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Why are we there? Easy, The government wants you to do what you said you would when you took the 'oath'....die for your country. If you survive you tour in the service,they don't want to know you.

If you died 'over there' they raise a plaque to you and name bridges after you and schools. If you survive combat and abuse by other service personell,they shit all over you. Why?
Because the bastards make lots of money off of making our men and women into cold blooded killers for the President. Remember CONGRESS DID NOT DECLARE THIS WAR!!!!!! Bush did,as a family vendetta. If you don't know that you've been in a coma for the last twenty years.

Until this farce of a governance ever decides to start making policies that make vets and troops obsolete then this government isn't worth the time it takes to wipe your ass. That's what they're doing to us vets and
until we stop their idiocy...it's not going to stop.

If you think Obama's any better,you'd better go check yourself. So far all he is is talk.
Talking the Talk and Walking the walk,the same old shit falling out a brand new asshole.
I know that opinion won't sit too well with some folks,but, until he gives a 'serious econ-stimulus', to the working poor and starts talking about creating Peace without resulting to bloodshed. He's just another DC dope.

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Downside of being in the service- There is hope , "The David H Brooks Foundation for Soldiers"
Posted by: jcore77 on Jan 5, 2009 1:58 PM   
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David H Brooks has recently started a foundation for wounded and handicapped American soldiers.


David H Brooks has started this non profit foundation for all of those heroic Americans who have served and sacrificed in the name of freedom overseas and protection here at home.
David H Brooks foundation is a non profit organization that is geared towards helping American Soldiers and the extra help they need when they come back home.

- Health Care
- Medication
- Counseling
- Physical Therapy
- Housing Assistance
- Aiding the families of disabled survivors

and so much more...

All of this is made possible by the private funding of founder David H. Brooks, the Foundation for America's Wounded Heroes continues to touch hearts and lives every day.

David H. Brooks Founder DHB Industries has managed to save thousands of lives over the years of developing body armor technology and has developed an ongoing lifesaving legacy.

Over the years David H. Brooks has managed to develop cutting edge body armor technology and innovative solutions for the military and law enforcement professionals alike.

David H. Brooks is also involved in a humanitarian mission in Malawi in Africa offering generous donations to help aid the grief stricken areas, he also donates generously to multiple charities, and has managed to save a non profit organization “Ogen Shabbos” which helps thousands of homeless and needy people daily.

Recognition
David H. Brooks

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One reason is...
Posted by: bob12386 on Jan 5, 2009 11:56 PM   
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...many of the people who join the military do so because they don't have any family support in the first place. They come from single parent homes, or abusive backgrounds. Their family wouldn't help them even if they could.

Life in America is hard and when times get tough, sinking to the bottom is a rather simple matter without a support structure to prop you up.

Lose a job and run out of money and you're on the street. Once you're on the street, you say on the street.

Pretty simple really. Social darwinism at work.

Personally, I'm an unemployed vet and if I run out of money before I get a new job, I die. It's that simple.

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Health problems in homeless veterans
Posted by: fanny666 on Jan 16, 2009 9:03 AM   
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Part of the reason it's so vital to get the VA healthcare system improved is because a lack of care now is strongly predictive of homelessness later.

A hugely disproportionate number of homeless veterans had suffered a brain injury during their service.

Homeless veterans frequently deal with many other illnesses and disorders such as eye problems, hypertension, cardiovascular problems, COPD/emphysema, tuberculosis, gastrointestinal problems, hepatic disease, neurologic disorders, orthopedic problems, skin problems, and trauma.

There is a huge population of veterans from our current war(s) who are coming back comorbid for PTSD and a head injury, and it's really important that we keep up pressure to give these guys the support they need and deserve.

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