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Untangling Obama's Cabinet
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Following up on Chris Bower's earlier blog post on Obama retaining Bush officials to staff the Pentagon, it's worth noting that there are substantial policy differences between people on the left of the Democratic Party and those soon to be in power. Ultimately it's these policy differences that matter. Here are a few.
- Afghanistan: Joe Biden says that withdrawing troops from Iraq is imperative so that the administration can put more troops in Afghanistan. Steve Clemons, Zbigniew Brzezinski and Richard Vague think that we should cut deals with the local Taliban, perhaps do some economic development, and leave.
- Iraq: Obama's current plan is to leave a residual force in Iraq (which John McCain, Lindsay Graham, and Joe Lieberman praise). A Responsible Plan to End the War in Iraq called for no residual troops, as did Bill Richardson.
- The $700 Billion Bailout: Obama whipped House members aggressively for the Treasury to establish the TARP program. Opposition to the bailout was spread out among populists on the right and the left, without coherent form.
- Infrastructure: Biden is talking about the transportation part of the infrastructure stimulus going to roads and bridges, many of us want SUPERTRAINS and less investment in the oil-dependent sprawlconomy.
There are probably a lot more splits, as well as areas of alignment, but starting out with a big split on war and peace in Afghanistan isn't a small deal, with all that killing. Domestically and abroad, we just don't know what policies the Obama administration is going to put forward, and so we have to guess. This is actually by design, as Biden makes clear.
"You get to see what's in the package when we've completed the package, and when we've negotiated a little bit more with our colleagues in the House and Senate," Biden said. "Keep in mind that it's really important that this package when submitted to the Hill succeed and pass."
Guessing as to what's in there is inherently uncertain, but the personnel is the best heuristic we have, aside from stated policies during the campaign (many of which have become obsolete when a trillion dollar stimulus and a nasty credit crunch fully flowered). That's what Chris Bowers was doing when he noted the ideological loyalties of the Obama cabinet members. Ta-Nehisi Coates and Ed Kilgore both argue that Chris is wrong. Coates suggests that leaving out White House staffers renders Chris's judgment inaccurate, and furthermore, the DLC tends to overstate its influence with officials. Kilgore, the former policy director of the DLC, credibly points out that the DLC involved a wide variety of politicians in its activities, so having associations with that group is not necessarily indicative of anything in particular. I should also add that Kilgore is one of the few former DLC officials who has really taken the time to understand our arguments, and respond to them with an intellectually curious streak rather than intense defensiveness.
Fortunately, we don't have to throw opinions at each other to settle the argument about Obama's cabinet; Nolan McCarty at Princeton compared voting records of the Cabinet members, and showed that "the evidence is pretty strong that the administration lies considerably to the right of the Democrats in the House, but is reasonably representative of Senate Democrats." Coates's point about senior White House staffers is reasonable; Melody Barnes for instance has no measurable track record equivalent to a voting record. Still, who Obama picks to his cabinet-level appointments can't mean nothing at all.
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Posted by: AlexLawyer on Dec 25, 2008 12:50 AM
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We progressives need to buck up, keep pressure on our congressional delegations, get our arguments into the mainstream media, and hope for better days. The Obama administration will be an incremental step on the road to progress.
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» RE: An Incremental Step >>NO
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Posted by: marxalot on Dec 25, 2008 5:42 AM
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Thanks Alternet, what would we do without you.
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Posted by: JerseyDweller on Dec 25, 2008 6:03 AM
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Some of these people still support Bush for christ's sake! It might not get you good leaders, but it definitely gets you powerful ones.
Personally, the reason it enrages me to see progressives picking Obama apart before he even takes office is that I remember how a very similar thing happened to Clinton and I don't want to see it happen again. I'm not saying that one shouldn't criticize a president from one's own party (or a president more representative of one's views than not), but such criticism should be kept to reasonable levels. We don't want to assist the Republicans in castrating the Obama administration before if officially starts.
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Posted by: WhatNow? on Dec 25, 2008 7:18 AM
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This idea really sickens me. Why do we want to invest in a failing and unsustainable practice? Where's the "change" we really need? Any increases in funding infrastructure should go to alternative energy and mass transit not urban sprawl and oil based transportation.
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Posted by: zepher on Dec 25, 2008 8:51 AM
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Fact 2: America's roads and bridges are failing and killing people. We need good transportation systems as we transition to better sources of energy. Remember the bridge in Minnesota that failed and killed many people. Also I remember the bridge on I40, at Webber's Falls, Oklahoma that fell and killed many people in its' crash into the Arkansas River. In 2002. Bridges and roads are not being maintained, thereby putting our population at risk. Biden is right.
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» RE: Facts... uh, no, that'd be frosting on the cake, a very nasty polluted cake that'll kill us
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Posted by: mcyclemama on Dec 25, 2008 9:09 AM
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needs to come in swinging a freaking cannon!
The best thing to heal this country, both from within and in the eyes of the world, would be to start at the very top with bitch and cheney and work on down the line through rove, and rice, and pelosi, and reid, and all the rest, and impeach or try them in court for criminal actions and then put them away to rot as is what they deserve! But instead, NOOO, he has already said, that that is "off the table" and what ever they have done is just good, clean, american politics and no harm done. I wish there was someone or god or whatever, to save this country, but I think it is well and truly fkd! I am starting to think we got us another democratic wimp here. I would love to be proven wrong.
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Posted by: uforiac@yahoo.com on Dec 25, 2008 2:15 PM
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He did select my first choice in the Primary for VP, and my second choice, Richardson, for a post I can't recall at the moment. Hillary, especially, will have to clean house in the State Department. Exile the Arabist oil interests to distant posts, transfer others who are not appointees to less powerful posts, and ask for the resignations of counterproductive appointees.
I think we'll see incremental changes. Too bad he couldn't bring back some more progressives. Still, politics is the art of the possible, and you can't do anything if you don't get elected. He need the ultra-liberal vote to get elected. Under his governance, some of his appointees may turn more liberal.
It depends upon what the meaning of "change" is.
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Posted by: DaBear on Dec 26, 2008 5:41 PM
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No, the gloves came off the moment he chose his pro-corporate anti-progressive cabinet. Obama better get ready to either prove he's a listener or get out of the way.
1789....
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Posted by: carolcsme on Dec 25, 2008 10:08 PM
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If you expected Obama to enact a progressive agenda, you were not paying attention. Respect for diversity is accepting a spectrum, it does not determine a position along that spectrum.
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» RE: Policy Projections... and pathetic apologetics
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Posted by: sherman on Dec 26, 2008 1:48 AM
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Posted by: DaBear on Dec 26, 2008 5:46 PM
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The truth is progressives better damn well learn, the Dims are not the hope, change, terrishts, nine-eleven, hope, change... horseshit. We have a Bush lite in office come the 20th and the "centrists" better be ready for an ole fashioned ass-burnin' if they don't get a clue. When the system is broken you must scrap it and start over. God dammit, people, listen to fucking Einstein for once.
Stoopid 'Merkaans... always thinkin' they be the smartest when they're nothin' more than the dull tool in the shed.
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Posted by: Zackary K on Dec 28, 2008 9:26 PM
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Posted by: cyrena1987 on Dec 30, 2008 7:56 AM
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It wasn't. The author tells us all about Biden (yep, I knew HE was a Cabinet member – seeing as how VP’s traditionally are) Steve Clemons, Zbigniew Brzezinski, and Richard Vague. ZBig has been an ‘unofficial adviser’ to Obama during his campaign, but I don’t think any of these people are “Cabinet members”.
Moving right along, we get to John McCain, Lindsey Graham, and Joe Lieberman, (haven’t yet heard that any of THEM have been selected for Cabinet positions either) but that does finally get us to Bill Richardson, the new COMMERCE secretary. (the author has MANGLED a conflation to Iraq war plans in that one, since it’s unlikely that Richardson will be advising on the Iraq withdrawal plans as Commerce secretary).
Then there’s talk of the Bailout Wallstreet, with the claim that Obama whipped the HOUSE on the acceptance of TARP. IF in fact Obama did this, it was pretty historical, since a Jr. Senator (or a senior one for that matter) has never before whipped the HOUSE, at least to my knowledge. (The House -lower chamber has its own whip – last I knew) No mention of the new Cabinet members that will have to deal with that, but I already know who they are.
Then we’re back to Biden, who wants to use stimulus money for the repair of roads and bridges, but the author says we want SUPERTRANSIT instead. Can’t we have both? Trains and buses actually DO interact with roads and bridges in most 21st Century transportation infrastructures, and they’re REAL helpful for getting from one place to the other on foot, bikes, scooters, and the occasional automobile. Then there’s that little matter of what happens when rotted out levees and such drown entire cities, right before our eyes.
That’s it folks. ZERO mention of a single other Obama Cabinet selection. Missing from the promise to Untangle Obama’s Cabinet are the nominations for:
Justice Dept, (as in Attorney General) Interior, Agriculture, Housing and Urban Dev, Transportation, Energy, Labor, Health and Human Services, Education, Veteran Affairs, Homeland Security, UN Ambassador, EPA Administrator, and US Trade Rep.
Don’t these selections MEAN something?
Apparently not to the author.
Very poorly written article, but the saving grace was a link to who the completed Cabinet consists of. And of course that's what I wanted to know.
I'll do my own untangling.
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Posted by: AlexLawyer on Dec 25, 2008 12:50 AM
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We progressives need to buck up, keep pressure on our congressional delegations, get our arguments into the mainstream media, and hope for better days. The Obama administration will be an incremental step on the road to progress.
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» "Obama and Biden are intelligent, thoughtful and fundamentally decent people"
Posted by: WhatNow?
» RE: An Incremental Step >>NO
Posted by: grkjr
» RE: An Incremental Step
Posted by: Ian MacLeod
» RE: An Incremental Step
Posted by: Ian MacLeod
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Posted by: marxalot on Dec 25, 2008 5:42 AM
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Thanks Alternet, what would we do without you.
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Posted by: JerseyDweller on Dec 25, 2008 6:03 AM
Current rating: 3 [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Some of these people still support Bush for christ's sake! It might not get you good leaders, but it definitely gets you powerful ones.
Personally, the reason it enrages me to see progressives picking Obama apart before he even takes office is that I remember how a very similar thing happened to Clinton and I don't want to see it happen again. I'm not saying that one shouldn't criticize a president from one's own party (or a president more representative of one's views than not), but such criticism should be kept to reasonable levels. We don't want to assist the Republicans in castrating the Obama administration before if officially starts.
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» RE: Forget the village
Posted by: chloelin
» RE: Forget the village
Posted by: JerseyDweller
» RE: Forget the village
Posted by: americansheep
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Posted by: WhatNow? on Dec 25, 2008 7:18 AM
Current rating: 4 [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
This idea really sickens me. Why do we want to invest in a failing and unsustainable practice? Where's the "change" we really need? Any increases in funding infrastructure should go to alternative energy and mass transit not urban sprawl and oil based transportation.
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» RE: Can we be any dumber?
Posted by: jeff303
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Posted by: zepher on Dec 25, 2008 8:51 AM
Current rating: 2 [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Fact 2: America's roads and bridges are failing and killing people. We need good transportation systems as we transition to better sources of energy. Remember the bridge in Minnesota that failed and killed many people. Also I remember the bridge on I40, at Webber's Falls, Oklahoma that fell and killed many people in its' crash into the Arkansas River. In 2002. Bridges and roads are not being maintained, thereby putting our population at risk. Biden is right.
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» RE: Facts... uh, no, that'd be frosting on the cake, a very nasty polluted cake that'll kill us
Posted by: DaBear
» Rebuttal to "Facts..uh no that'd be frosting on the cake....
Posted by: zepher
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Posted by: mcyclemama on Dec 25, 2008 9:09 AM
Current rating: 5 [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
needs to come in swinging a freaking cannon!
The best thing to heal this country, both from within and in the eyes of the world, would be to start at the very top with bitch and cheney and work on down the line through rove, and rice, and pelosi, and reid, and all the rest, and impeach or try them in court for criminal actions and then put them away to rot as is what they deserve! But instead, NOOO, he has already said, that that is "off the table" and what ever they have done is just good, clean, american politics and no harm done. I wish there was someone or god or whatever, to save this country, but I think it is well and truly fkd! I am starting to think we got us another democratic wimp here. I would love to be proven wrong.
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» It would be great if what you say could be done, but . . .
Posted by: dustdevil
» RE: It would be great if what you say could be done, but . . .
Posted by: yellow
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Posted by: uforiac@yahoo.com on Dec 25, 2008 2:15 PM
Current rating: 5 [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
He did select my first choice in the Primary for VP, and my second choice, Richardson, for a post I can't recall at the moment. Hillary, especially, will have to clean house in the State Department. Exile the Arabist oil interests to distant posts, transfer others who are not appointees to less powerful posts, and ask for the resignations of counterproductive appointees.
I think we'll see incremental changes. Too bad he couldn't bring back some more progressives. Still, politics is the art of the possible, and you can't do anything if you don't get elected. He need the ultra-liberal vote to get elected. Under his governance, some of his appointees may turn more liberal.
It depends upon what the meaning of "change" is.
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» RE: Dick Rose
Posted by: jackyD
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Posted by: DaBear on Dec 26, 2008 5:41 PM
Current rating: Not yet rated [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
No, the gloves came off the moment he chose his pro-corporate anti-progressive cabinet. Obama better get ready to either prove he's a listener or get out of the way.
1789....
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Posted by: carolcsme on Dec 25, 2008 10:08 PM
Current rating: 2 [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
If you expected Obama to enact a progressive agenda, you were not paying attention. Respect for diversity is accepting a spectrum, it does not determine a position along that spectrum.
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» RE: Policy Projections... and pathetic apologetics
Posted by: DaBear
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Posted by: sherman on Dec 26, 2008 1:48 AM
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Posted by: DaBear on Dec 26, 2008 5:46 PM
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The truth is progressives better damn well learn, the Dims are not the hope, change, terrishts, nine-eleven, hope, change... horseshit. We have a Bush lite in office come the 20th and the "centrists" better be ready for an ole fashioned ass-burnin' if they don't get a clue. When the system is broken you must scrap it and start over. God dammit, people, listen to fucking Einstein for once.
Stoopid 'Merkaans... always thinkin' they be the smartest when they're nothin' more than the dull tool in the shed.
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» RE: Truthtelling
Posted by: yellow
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Posted by: Zackary K on Dec 28, 2008 9:26 PM
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Posted by: cyrena1987 on Dec 30, 2008 7:56 AM
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It wasn't. The author tells us all about Biden (yep, I knew HE was a Cabinet member – seeing as how VP’s traditionally are) Steve Clemons, Zbigniew Brzezinski, and Richard Vague. ZBig has been an ‘unofficial adviser’ to Obama during his campaign, but I don’t think any of these people are “Cabinet members”.
Moving right along, we get to John McCain, Lindsey Graham, and Joe Lieberman, (haven’t yet heard that any of THEM have been selected for Cabinet positions either) but that does finally get us to Bill Richardson, the new COMMERCE secretary. (the author has MANGLED a conflation to Iraq war plans in that one, since it’s unlikely that Richardson will be advising on the Iraq withdrawal plans as Commerce secretary).
Then there’s talk of the Bailout Wallstreet, with the claim that Obama whipped the HOUSE on the acceptance of TARP. IF in fact Obama did this, it was pretty historical, since a Jr. Senator (or a senior one for that matter) has never before whipped the HOUSE, at least to my knowledge. (The House -lower chamber has its own whip – last I knew) No mention of the new Cabinet members that will have to deal with that, but I already know who they are.
Then we’re back to Biden, who wants to use stimulus money for the repair of roads and bridges, but the author says we want SUPERTRANSIT instead. Can’t we have both? Trains and buses actually DO interact with roads and bridges in most 21st Century transportation infrastructures, and they’re REAL helpful for getting from one place to the other on foot, bikes, scooters, and the occasional automobile. Then there’s that little matter of what happens when rotted out levees and such drown entire cities, right before our eyes.
That’s it folks. ZERO mention of a single other Obama Cabinet selection. Missing from the promise to Untangle Obama’s Cabinet are the nominations for:
Justice Dept, (as in Attorney General) Interior, Agriculture, Housing and Urban Dev, Transportation, Energy, Labor, Health and Human Services, Education, Veteran Affairs, Homeland Security, UN Ambassador, EPA Administrator, and US Trade Rep.
Don’t these selections MEAN something?
Apparently not to the author.
Very poorly written article, but the saving grace was a link to who the completed Cabinet consists of. And of course that's what I wanted to know.
I'll do my own untangling.
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