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MCM: Well, specifically, there's a computer architecture setup called "Man in the Middle," which involves shunting the election returns from, you know, the state in question -- in this case, Ohio -- shunting them to a separate computer elsewhere. All of the election returns in Ohio in 2004 went from the Secretary of State's website -- this is Ken Blackwell -- to a separate computer in a basement in Chattanooga, Tennessee, which was under the control of another private company called SMARTech.
So we have now two private companies: GovTech Solutions, which is Connell's company, SMARTech, which is run by a guy named [Jeff] Averbeck. And the company -- the third private company that managed the voting tabulators in Ohio was called Triad. All three of these companies worked closely together on election night in Ohio in 2004. It turns out that the state's own IT person was sent home at 9:00 p.m. They said, "Go ahead. Go home. We'll take care of this." So that this trio of highly partisan and, let me add, Christianist companies basically took over the whole --
AG: What do you mean, "Christianist"?
MCM: Well, they're radical theocratic activists, particularly -- particularly Triad and SMARTech. You know, they are fervently anti-choice.
AG: Well, Mike Connell was, in fact -- many said that's what motivated him through all of this, his fierce anti-abortion stance.
MCM: He told -- Connell told Spoonamore that one of the primary reasons why he helped Bush-Cheney steal elections was to save the babies. I do think, though, that we have to draw a distinction between Connell, on the one hand, and the Averbeck and the Rapp family, on the other hand, because Connell was far less ferocious in his political views. He was an ardent anti-abortionist, it's true, but he wasn't quite as hardcore as the others. And in fact, you know, he was a little bit alienated from the others, and that's one of the reasons why he was inclined to talk, and so on.
But the fact is, to answer your question, that on election night in 2004, it had been Connell, with these other two companies working with him, who had managed the computer setup, enabling Ken Blackwell to study the maps of precincts and voter turnout very carefully and figure out how many votes they need. By shunting the data to Chattanooga, they kind of slowed down the data stream.
AG: Wasn't Karl Rove's email also there in Chattanooga on some of these servers?
MCM: Yes, yes. The same servers were used to host a whole bunch of highly partisan websites. And also, indeed, Karl Rove's emails were on that server, too.
AG: That have gone missing.
MCM: That have gone missing. Incidentally, Stephen Spoonamore, again, the whistleblower who's the one who named Connell, has told us -- and I've seen his own contemporary notes --
AG: And explain again who he was. Why was he in a position to whistleblow?
MCM: Stephen Spoonamore is a conservative Republican, a former McCain supporter and a very prominent expert at the detection of computer fraud. He's the star witness in the Ohio lawsuit, right, in which Connell was involved. He has done extensive work of this kind, involving computer security, and had therefore worked with Connell, knew Connell personally and knew a lot of the people who were involved in the sort of cyber-security end of the Bush operation.
Despite his conservatism -- or I suppose some would say because of it -- he's a man of principle -- I mean, believes in the Constitution. He believes elections should be honest. He's the one who came forward and named Connell.
And I have seen his notes of a conversation in which Connell asked Spoonamore how one would go about destroying White House emails. To this, Spoonamore said, "This conversation is over. You're asking me to do something illegal." But clearly, clearly -- this is the important point -- Mike Connell was up past his eyeballs in the most sensitive and explosive aspects of this crime family that, you know, has been masquerading as a political party.
AG: And what did Fitrakis, the attorney who has brought the suit with Harvey Wasserman, the Ohio lawsuit, learn in the deposition of Mike Connell in the day before the election, which hardly got attention, considering it was the day before this historic election?
MCM: Yeah. Harvey wasn't part of it. Harvey writes articles with Bob. It's Bob Fitrakis and Cliff Arnebeck are the attorneys. They learned very little. What they learned was that Bush-Cheney lawyer who accompanied Connell to the deposition was watching the whole thing like a hawk, repeatedly objected to questions. Connell was stonewalling like crazy at this deposition.
They only learned one thing. And that was, they got confirmation that it was Connell who brought these other private companies into the arrangement, in addition to his own GovTech Solutions. Again, there was Triad and SMARTech. It was Connell who brought those three companies into one unit, so that the three of them were, in effect, handling Ohio's election returns on election night under Connell's supervision. That's what we learned.
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Posted by: maxpayne on Dec 22, 2008 1:31 PM
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» look at the pro troll^^^^^ hey, do you work for Cheney?
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» EXACTLY
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» No, but it is people like you that give them the encouragement...
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» Why would one wait 4 years to investigate to begin with?
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» RE: Another conspiracy theory I suppose? There's no difference between the two parties anyway.
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Posted by: GuitarBill on Dec 22, 2008 1:47 PM
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Connell is a "key witness in the King-Lincoln v. Blackwell lawsuit regarding fraud in the 2004 Presidential Election in Ohio. That recently revived, long-standing lawsuit led to Connell's recent deposition on November 3, 2008, the day before this year's general election. According to plaintiff's lead attorney Cliff Arnebeck in July, a tipster had warned that Connell had been threatened by Karl Rove...in an attempt to intimidate him into 'taking the fall' for Ohio election fraud not long after a motion was filed to lift the stay in that case.
"Connell had been memorably described as a 'high IQ Forrest Gump', by the attorneys for the plaintiffs in the Ohio fraud case, for his apparent penchant at the scene of "every single crime" from Florida 2000 to Ohio 2004 to the network firewall on a number of key Congressional committees to the case of the missing White House emails.
"In late September, the federal judge in the Ohio case agreed to lift the stay, and in late October he compelled Connell to give a deposition to plaintiff attorneys on the Monday before the Tuesday general election.
"Connell had been served with a subpoena to appear in the federal courtroom in Ohio at the same College Park, MD airport where his single engine plane reportedly took off from last night, on his final solo flight..."
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» mmm seems to be a pattern here, folks
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» I would go further than that and say its impossible to miss....
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» He didn't get a hellofva lot of government protection from Bush/Cheney/Rove did he?
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Posted by: JSquercia on Dec 22, 2008 3:39 PM
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I have heard rumors that the assination attempt on Reagan was the work of H W so HE could become President .
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» The Power of Duplicity
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» You raised an important point . . .
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» RE: The Power of Duplicity
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» You make some excellent and serious points. Why were all those....
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» How much are the evil ones paying you, EncinoM?
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» RE: Even Reagan said, "If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck"
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» aren't they, though! and look how quick and hard the GOP trolls dismiss, minimize, distract??? mmmm
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» RE: aren't they, though! and look how quick and hard the GOP trolls dismiss, minimize, distract???
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» So I guess this guy is just some tin foil hatted flake?
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» RE: How much less of a War Crime is LIH compared to MIH EncinoM?
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» April Gallop, DoD Whistle-Blower is seeking "compensation", while declaring DoD Complicity?
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» RE: Pt. II How much less of a War Crime is LIH compared to MIH EncinoM?
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» RE: Pt III, need I publish more? Read and Weep War Crimes Facts
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» Read Zbig's book and you will see this author is correct....
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» RE: aren't they, though! and look how quick and hard the GOP trolls dismiss, minimize, distract???
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» RE: aren't they, though! and look how quick and hard the GOP trolls dismiss, minimize, distract???
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» RE: aren't they, though! and look how quick and hard the GOP trolls dismiss, minimize, distract???
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» RE: aren't they, though! and look how quick and hard the GOP trolls dismiss, minimize, distract???
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» RE: aren't they, though! and look how quick and hard the GOP trolls dismiss, minimize, distract???
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» Yup, and those 4000 military personnel roving our civilian streets.....
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» RE: aren't they, though! and look how quick and hard the GOP trolls dismiss, minimize, distract???
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» Actually, they are called "collaborators" and "Traitors".
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» RE: Amazingly Convenient Plane Crashes
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Posted by: 7seven on Dec 22, 2008 4:28 PM
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But Crispin Miller does himself and the issue a disservice by using highly-charged language. The stuff about "crime family" might have the choir cheering but it does nothing to inform or convince ordinary people about the importance and urgency of the issue. He needs to stick to presenting the evidence, and sure, pose questions because that's also important. But please, somebody tell him to hold the language that makes him sound like a loony conspiratorist.
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» Our govt loves to label those who are rational and not sheep "looney conspiratorists" don't they?
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» RE: "looney conspiratorists" Thanks for joining our conversation, I really enjoy your perspective.
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» Thank you,
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» RE: "looney conspiratorists" Thanks for joining our conversation, I really enjoy your perspective.
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» Here's the evidence!
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» RE: Here's the evidence!
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» RE: "looney conspiratorists" Thanks for joining our conversation, I really enjoy your perspective.
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» RE: Very Important Story, but ease up on the language
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» RE: Very Important Story, but ease up on the language
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» RE: Very Important Story, but ease up on the language
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» I appreciate your intent, BUT sugarcoated lies are still lies
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» RE: I appreciate your intent, BUT sugarcoated lies are still lies
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» Although Cronkite played a major role...
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» Ever heard of "Vietnam Syndrome", EncinoM?
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» RE: ver heard of "Vietnam Syndrome", EncinoM?
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» And what did George Herbert Walker Bush have to say about "Vietnam Syndrome"?
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» And then there's "Project MK-ULTRA".
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» RE: And then there's "Project MK-ULTRA".
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» RE: And then there's "Project MK-ULTRA".
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» Sorry, I meant COINTELPRO, not MK-ULTRA.
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» RE: I appreciate your intent, BUT sugarcoated lies are still lies
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» What "language"??
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» RE: Very Important Story, but ease up on the language
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» RE: Very Important Story, but ease up on the language
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» Try Zogby, EncinoM.
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» RE: Try Zogby, EncinoM.
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» RE: Try Zogby, EncinoM.
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» RE: Try Zogby, EncinoM.
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» You hair-splitting, c********. Answer the question!
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» RE: You hair-splitting, c********. Answer the question!
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» RE: You hair-splitting, c********. Answer the question!
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» RE: Try Zogby, EncinoM.
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Posted by: texasrodeoqueen on Dec 22, 2008 5:39 PM
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» RE: wow, maybe we should examine the plane crash Norm Coleman's opponent died in, too?
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Posted by: compu on Dec 22, 2008 11:06 PM
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» An evil seed spread upon the earth...
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Posted by: PaulC on Dec 22, 2008 8:57 PM
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peace,
Paul
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Posted by: Tom Degan on Dec 23, 2008 12:50 AM
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....the murder of.....
Never mind.
Obama's Latest Pastor Problem
Tom Degan
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Posted by: talkville on Dec 23, 2008 12:50 AM
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From Queen Mum all the way down to the simple village Parson, in every ever-so-finely graduated descending Station of the life of certain "peoples", this is very well known. This Land is their Domain, their Realm, their Dominion. Many friends and allies here 'across the Pond' can 'relate' so-to-speak. This Land is prodigiously and endlessly productive, make no mistake!! Great Errors have been committed in under- or over- or "mis-" estimating and gauging and measuring these crafty Fellows All.
The Land: it has been named: "Imagination and Fancy". You might chortle; at your own peril!! Study its Analogic Effects in this Real World through our Ages, Epochs, and Periods!!
Well, the Article. Interesting facts about IT Servants and their often-times quite convenient and 'plausibly-deniably' demises, disappearances and uglier outcomes. Functions self-destruct.
But, especially in regard to the large-point type of Titles and Headings for Articles. Let us please avoid that potential for the planting of Seeds, little 'mustard-seeds' and others in that Fertile and Rich and Fleshy and ever-so Sensual and Sexual Soil.
"Intrigue": there are quite varied versions. It has long been a Pastime and Interest of Persons in the Highest of Orders. From East to West and West to East; in England, in France, in Amsterdam, in Rome and in Vienna. Intrigues. Mysteries. Shadows and Fogs. Smoke and Mirrors.
There is always a kernel, a tiny little seed involved. SOMEBODY plants it -- sometimes by carelessness, sometimes intentionally, sometimes sub-versively... .
Soil. Woman. Imagination. Man. Fancy. Always "Two to Tango".
Wild-ass Weeds grew quickly, remember, with the 9/11/01 "theorizations".
Who speaks? -- Nietzsche.
Why?
Crops, herds, families. Productions and Re-productions.
Soils produce great Foods; soils produce great Poisons. Depends on the Point-of-View. Depends on the Interest... .
So... pretty curious facts here: an IT Guru meeting up with murky forces and conditions in his social, political and economic relations.
Hmmmm.
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» Made very little sense to me...
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» So what are you saying Lauren?
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Posted by: Lilly on Dec 23, 2008 5:43 AM
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2) "A Troubling Black Box Death" 12-22-08
3) "Bloody Karl" 12-20-08
4) "The Man Who Knew Too Much"
5) Background: "Was the 2004 Election Stolen?" 6-1-06
6) Background: "The Death of US Senator Paul Wellstone: Accident or Murder?" 8-29-02
7) Background: "Was Paul Wellstone Murdered?" 8-28-02
(Google all by title.)
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Posted by: Purple Girl on Dec 23, 2008 8:01 AM
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If the Religious Right, the Corps and their Repug henchmen think we are all singing Kumbia with them, they are far more delusional then I thought.
The last 40 yrs has been a sociological, Psychological,Economic , political and international Nightmare, With the last 8 being the Crescendo! Rove didn't even have pimples when this agenda was kicked off. We've been living in a Nixonian Cesspool for decades. One need only look at members of the Exec branch then, and those involved with W's admin...they also were involved with Ford & Reagan.Cheney was Seeking his 8th Term in the WH with McCain! rove has slithered back in, but so has Rumsfeld. We have yet to farette out Wolfie continued involvement with the second term of the Cheney Admin. Cheney should be prosecuted for Treason merely on the Basis of two Letters "So".
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Posted by: littlepitcher on Dec 23, 2008 8:49 AM
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2-George Bush's great-uncle once was the second-in-command of the Chatta KKK. My dad was a member, and told me. It is a near-certainty that this group was involved in Bobby Kennedy's assassination; one of the Sirhan relatives received capital to open a liquor store a block from Klan headquarters, within months of the killing.
3-One branch of Baker family--physical resemblance to Shrub--is reputed to be financing heroin in the E TN area.
The anti-abortion comment is suspect, and probably is a bid for sympathy from pro-life forces. The "Christianist" rhetoric is a serious bid for "render unto Caesar" and a big stick to wield with fundamentalists who can be told that obedience to any authority is commanded biblically, thus the prosperity of the corrupt under Christian (or pseudo-Christian) hegemony. They are also commanded to forgive thieves, a viewpoint precious to all politicians of any party.
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Posted by: Teedee on Dec 23, 2008 10:51 AM
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What's it going to take to make our politicians do the right thing?
Thousands, millions actually, here in this country are baffled almost to the point of being paralyzed. How could the German people let such evil happen? How can WE let these evil people get away with what they've done?
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Posted by: beijaflor on Dec 23, 2008 11:51 AM
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To the posters here that cannot grok the level and intensity of evil at play, why would you think for a moment that the powers that be are nice, law-abiding folks like yourselves??? Given all of the evidence over the past eight years, just for starters, they certainly are not truthful, nor are they in any way shape or form, respecters of the law.
We as a nation, are coming apart at the seams with case after case of corruption and greed.
Call your nuz outlets and tell them to get on this important story. Do something besides whining in a blog.
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Posted by: alturn on Dec 23, 2008 11:52 AM
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December 2008:
Q. Did vote tampering take place in the recent US presidential elections?
A. Yes, but to a lesser degree than the last two elections.
Q. If so, what would the real results have been – without vote rigging and other tricks?
A. About 5 per cent higher for Barack Obama.
December 2004:
Q. (1) Does the final outcome in the US Presidential election accurately reflect the preference of those who voted, or (2) was there any corruption or manipulation which might have changed the outcome? If so, (3) which side cheated more? (4) If the results were "fixed", by which methods was it done?
A. (1) No. My information is that there was much cheating. (2) Yes, Kerry should narrowly have won Ohio and Florida and the Presidency. I am afraid it is the same old story, more expertly performed this time. (3) The Republicans. It seems that cheating by Democrats was minimal and only on a personal basis, but cheating by Republicans was pre-planned and widespread, especially with the new electronic machines. (4) Pre-programmed electronic voting systems and various other methods, cruder but just as effective - delayed postal votes, double voting, non-counting of votes, and more. Of course, the marginal (swing) states like Florida and Ohio were targeted and the machines were programmed to change every fifth vote for Kerry to a vote for Bush. However, even without "stolen" votes, Bush, like Gore last time, did in fact decisively win the popular vote which I personally prefer as a record of democratic public opinion.
Q. In view of the very suspect election results in the US could your Master please say how many Democrat votes were illegally blocked by one means or another?
A. 2.5 per cent.
December 2006:
Q. How fair were the recent US elections, which saw the Democratic Party return to power in Congress?
A. About 35 per cent were fair, which means that had they been nearer 100 per cent fair it would have been a landslide victory for the Democrats.
Q. Were the electronic voting machines tampered with, as in the 2004 US elections, to give advantage to the Republicans, but just not enough for them to win?
A. Some of them, yes, but less than in the previous election. The other methods, intimidation, etc, were well in evidence.
January 2001:
Q. Could the Master say which US presidential candidate the majority of Florida voters intended to vote for when they cast their vote? Did Bush win the election fraudulently?
A. Yes, very much so. Some Republicans think of their party as having a ‘Divine right’ to rule and that any and every trick is valid to ensure a Republican victory. The Florida vote, if it had been allowed to proceed, would have shown Mr Gore to have won by thousands of votes.
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I think all these crashes were suspicious. Someone working for the Republicans has perfected the art of airplane sabotage, IMHO.
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Posted by: common intelligence on Dec 23, 2008 10:23 PM
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"That's it"! "We're going to stop all this shit here and now and get to the bottom of this pile of shit"?
THAT WOULD BRING THE COUNTRY TOGETHER
It can not be all just be coincidences. You know it. I know it, and everyone does.
But why is it just allowed to continue?
It's apparent even with Obama in office our voices are simply ignored.
Unless this country begins Accountability actions There is going to be now "HOPE " for "Change". BEcuase it can never manifest as long as the government can never be trusted.
This shit is so deep and stinks so bad, the nation is smothering in
deceit. lies, ,........................
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Posted by: FURonnie on Dec 24, 2008 3:04 PM
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Fellow Americans the Cheney/Bush administration has turned the servants into the privilaged and we are getting fleeced and hosed. Think of all the great things you and I could have done with all that money we flushed down the toilet in Iraq. Why? To settle a grudge against Saddam who tried to kill pa.
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Impeachment has been off the table. Bailout of Wall Street CEOs was acted on unusually quickly (before the average congressman-or woman- could actually read it). Unchallenged crimes and sanctioned theft for their big campaign contributors. This is what the Dems have done so far-with approving echos from Obama. Doesn't look promising, does it?
TRC
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Still unable to find an official footnote to the recent and timely death of Barry Jennings ... poor soul now relegated to the back pages of the Alex Jones infosite and such ...
Speaking of back pages, here's a recent article from a canadian newspaper with some facts that were certainly 'news' to me:
Attack on 'Truthers' who question 9/11 failed to address their issues
$2.3 trillion in missing Pentagon funds, you say?
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» look at the pro troll^^^^^ hey, do you work for Cheney?
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» EXACTLY
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» No, but it is people like you that give them the encouragement...
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» Why would one wait 4 years to investigate to begin with?
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» Love to
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» RE: Another conspiracy theory I suppose? There's no difference between the two parties anyway.
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Posted by: GuitarBill on Dec 22, 2008 1:47 PM
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Connell is a "key witness in the King-Lincoln v. Blackwell lawsuit regarding fraud in the 2004 Presidential Election in Ohio. That recently revived, long-standing lawsuit led to Connell's recent deposition on November 3, 2008, the day before this year's general election. According to plaintiff's lead attorney Cliff Arnebeck in July, a tipster had warned that Connell had been threatened by Karl Rove...in an attempt to intimidate him into 'taking the fall' for Ohio election fraud not long after a motion was filed to lift the stay in that case.
"Connell had been memorably described as a 'high IQ Forrest Gump', by the attorneys for the plaintiffs in the Ohio fraud case, for his apparent penchant at the scene of "every single crime" from Florida 2000 to Ohio 2004 to the network firewall on a number of key Congressional committees to the case of the missing White House emails.
"In late September, the federal judge in the Ohio case agreed to lift the stay, and in late October he compelled Connell to give a deposition to plaintiff attorneys on the Monday before the Tuesday general election.
"Connell had been served with a subpoena to appear in the federal courtroom in Ohio at the same College Park, MD airport where his single engine plane reportedly took off from last night, on his final solo flight..."
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» mmm seems to be a pattern here, folks
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» I would go further than that and say its impossible to miss....
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» He didn't get a hellofva lot of government protection from Bush/Cheney/Rove did he?
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I have heard rumors that the assination attempt on Reagan was the work of H W so HE could become President .
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» You raised an important point . . .
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» You make some excellent and serious points. Why were all those....
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» How much are the evil ones paying you, EncinoM?
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» aren't they, though! and look how quick and hard the GOP trolls dismiss, minimize, distract??? mmmm
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» RE: aren't they, though! and look how quick and hard the GOP trolls dismiss, minimize, distract???
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» So I guess this guy is just some tin foil hatted flake?
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» RE: How much less of a War Crime is LIH compared to MIH EncinoM?
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» April Gallop, DoD Whistle-Blower is seeking "compensation", while declaring DoD Complicity?
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» RE: Pt. II How much less of a War Crime is LIH compared to MIH EncinoM?
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» RE: Pt III, need I publish more? Read and Weep War Crimes Facts
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» Read Zbig's book and you will see this author is correct....
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» RE: aren't they, though! and look how quick and hard the GOP trolls dismiss, minimize, distract???
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» RE: aren't they, though! and look how quick and hard the GOP trolls dismiss, minimize, distract???
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» RE: aren't they, though! and look how quick and hard the GOP trolls dismiss, minimize, distract???
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» Yup, and those 4000 military personnel roving our civilian streets.....
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» Actually, they are called "collaborators" and "Traitors".
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But Crispin Miller does himself and the issue a disservice by using highly-charged language. The stuff about "crime family" might have the choir cheering but it does nothing to inform or convince ordinary people about the importance and urgency of the issue. He needs to stick to presenting the evidence, and sure, pose questions because that's also important. But please, somebody tell him to hold the language that makes him sound like a loony conspiratorist.
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» Our govt loves to label those who are rational and not sheep "looney conspiratorists" don't they?
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» RE: "looney conspiratorists" Thanks for joining our conversation, I really enjoy your perspective.
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» Thank you,
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» Here's the evidence!
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» I appreciate your intent, BUT sugarcoated lies are still lies
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» Although Cronkite played a major role...
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» Ever heard of "Vietnam Syndrome", EncinoM?
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» And what did George Herbert Walker Bush have to say about "Vietnam Syndrome"?
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» And then there's "Project MK-ULTRA".
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» Sorry, I meant COINTELPRO, not MK-ULTRA.
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» What "language"??
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» Try Zogby, EncinoM.
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» You hair-splitting, c********. Answer the question!
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» An evil seed spread upon the earth...
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peace,
Paul
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Posted by: Tom Degan on Dec 23, 2008 12:50 AM
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....the murder of.....
Never mind.
Obama's Latest Pastor Problem
Tom Degan
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Posted by: talkville on Dec 23, 2008 12:50 AM
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From Queen Mum all the way down to the simple village Parson, in every ever-so-finely graduated descending Station of the life of certain "peoples", this is very well known. This Land is their Domain, their Realm, their Dominion. Many friends and allies here 'across the Pond' can 'relate' so-to-speak. This Land is prodigiously and endlessly productive, make no mistake!! Great Errors have been committed in under- or over- or "mis-" estimating and gauging and measuring these crafty Fellows All.
The Land: it has been named: "Imagination and Fancy". You might chortle; at your own peril!! Study its Analogic Effects in this Real World through our Ages, Epochs, and Periods!!
Well, the Article. Interesting facts about IT Servants and their often-times quite convenient and 'plausibly-deniably' demises, disappearances and uglier outcomes. Functions self-destruct.
But, especially in regard to the large-point type of Titles and Headings for Articles. Let us please avoid that potential for the planting of Seeds, little 'mustard-seeds' and others in that Fertile and Rich and Fleshy and ever-so Sensual and Sexual Soil.
"Intrigue": there are quite varied versions. It has long been a Pastime and Interest of Persons in the Highest of Orders. From East to West and West to East; in England, in France, in Amsterdam, in Rome and in Vienna. Intrigues. Mysteries. Shadows and Fogs. Smoke and Mirrors.
There is always a kernel, a tiny little seed involved. SOMEBODY plants it -- sometimes by carelessness, sometimes intentionally, sometimes sub-versively... .
Soil. Woman. Imagination. Man. Fancy. Always "Two to Tango".
Wild-ass Weeds grew quickly, remember, with the 9/11/01 "theorizations".
Who speaks? -- Nietzsche.
Why?
Crops, herds, families. Productions and Re-productions.
Soils produce great Foods; soils produce great Poisons. Depends on the Point-of-View. Depends on the Interest... .
So... pretty curious facts here: an IT Guru meeting up with murky forces and conditions in his social, political and economic relations.
Hmmmm.
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Posted by: Lilly on Dec 23, 2008 5:43 AM
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2) "A Troubling Black Box Death" 12-22-08
3) "Bloody Karl" 12-20-08
4) "The Man Who Knew Too Much"
5) Background: "Was the 2004 Election Stolen?" 6-1-06
6) Background: "The Death of US Senator Paul Wellstone: Accident or Murder?" 8-29-02
7) Background: "Was Paul Wellstone Murdered?" 8-28-02
(Google all by title.)
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Posted by: Purple Girl on Dec 23, 2008 8:01 AM
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If the Religious Right, the Corps and their Repug henchmen think we are all singing Kumbia with them, they are far more delusional then I thought.
The last 40 yrs has been a sociological, Psychological,Economic , political and international Nightmare, With the last 8 being the Crescendo! Rove didn't even have pimples when this agenda was kicked off. We've been living in a Nixonian Cesspool for decades. One need only look at members of the Exec branch then, and those involved with W's admin...they also were involved with Ford & Reagan.Cheney was Seeking his 8th Term in the WH with McCain! rove has slithered back in, but so has Rumsfeld. We have yet to farette out Wolfie continued involvement with the second term of the Cheney Admin. Cheney should be prosecuted for Treason merely on the Basis of two Letters "So".
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Posted by: littlepitcher on Dec 23, 2008 8:49 AM
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2-George Bush's great-uncle once was the second-in-command of the Chatta KKK. My dad was a member, and told me. It is a near-certainty that this group was involved in Bobby Kennedy's assassination; one of the Sirhan relatives received capital to open a liquor store a block from Klan headquarters, within months of the killing.
3-One branch of Baker family--physical resemblance to Shrub--is reputed to be financing heroin in the E TN area.
The anti-abortion comment is suspect, and probably is a bid for sympathy from pro-life forces. The "Christianist" rhetoric is a serious bid for "render unto Caesar" and a big stick to wield with fundamentalists who can be told that obedience to any authority is commanded biblically, thus the prosperity of the corrupt under Christian (or pseudo-Christian) hegemony. They are also commanded to forgive thieves, a viewpoint precious to all politicians of any party.
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What's it going to take to make our politicians do the right thing?
Thousands, millions actually, here in this country are baffled almost to the point of being paralyzed. How could the German people let such evil happen? How can WE let these evil people get away with what they've done?
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Posted by: beijaflor on Dec 23, 2008 11:51 AM
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To the posters here that cannot grok the level and intensity of evil at play, why would you think for a moment that the powers that be are nice, law-abiding folks like yourselves??? Given all of the evidence over the past eight years, just for starters, they certainly are not truthful, nor are they in any way shape or form, respecters of the law.
We as a nation, are coming apart at the seams with case after case of corruption and greed.
Call your nuz outlets and tell them to get on this important story. Do something besides whining in a blog.
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Posted by: alturn on Dec 23, 2008 11:52 AM
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December 2008:
Q. Did vote tampering take place in the recent US presidential elections?
A. Yes, but to a lesser degree than the last two elections.
Q. If so, what would the real results have been – without vote rigging and other tricks?
A. About 5 per cent higher for Barack Obama.
December 2004:
Q. (1) Does the final outcome in the US Presidential election accurately reflect the preference of those who voted, or (2) was there any corruption or manipulation which might have changed the outcome? If so, (3) which side cheated more? (4) If the results were "fixed", by which methods was it done?
A. (1) No. My information is that there was much cheating. (2) Yes, Kerry should narrowly have won Ohio and Florida and the Presidency. I am afraid it is the same old story, more expertly performed this time. (3) The Republicans. It seems that cheating by Democrats was minimal and only on a personal basis, but cheating by Republicans was pre-planned and widespread, especially with the new electronic machines. (4) Pre-programmed electronic voting systems and various other methods, cruder but just as effective - delayed postal votes, double voting, non-counting of votes, and more. Of course, the marginal (swing) states like Florida and Ohio were targeted and the machines were programmed to change every fifth vote for Kerry to a vote for Bush. However, even without "stolen" votes, Bush, like Gore last time, did in fact decisively win the popular vote which I personally prefer as a record of democratic public opinion.
Q. In view of the very suspect election results in the US could your Master please say how many Democrat votes were illegally blocked by one means or another?
A. 2.5 per cent.
December 2006:
Q. How fair were the recent US elections, which saw the Democratic Party return to power in Congress?
A. About 35 per cent were fair, which means that had they been nearer 100 per cent fair it would have been a landslide victory for the Democrats.
Q. Were the electronic voting machines tampered with, as in the 2004 US elections, to give advantage to the Republicans, but just not enough for them to win?
A. Some of them, yes, but less than in the previous election. The other methods, intimidation, etc, were well in evidence.
January 2001:
Q. Could the Master say which US presidential candidate the majority of Florida voters intended to vote for when they cast their vote? Did Bush win the election fraudulently?
A. Yes, very much so. Some Republicans think of their party as having a ‘Divine right’ to rule and that any and every trick is valid to ensure a Republican victory. The Florida vote, if it had been allowed to proceed, would have shown Mr Gore to have won by thousands of votes.
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Posted by: TheAntagonist on Dec 23, 2008 12:20 PM
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Posted by: Shakti on Dec 23, 2008 4:07 PM
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I think all these crashes were suspicious. Someone working for the Republicans has perfected the art of airplane sabotage, IMHO.
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Posted by: common intelligence on Dec 23, 2008 10:23 PM
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"That's it"! "We're going to stop all this shit here and now and get to the bottom of this pile of shit"?
THAT WOULD BRING THE COUNTRY TOGETHER
It can not be all just be coincidences. You know it. I know it, and everyone does.
But why is it just allowed to continue?
It's apparent even with Obama in office our voices are simply ignored.
Unless this country begins Accountability actions There is going to be now "HOPE " for "Change". BEcuase it can never manifest as long as the government can never be trusted.
This shit is so deep and stinks so bad, the nation is smothering in
deceit. lies, ,........................
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Posted by: FURonnie on Dec 24, 2008 3:04 PM
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Fellow Americans the Cheney/Bush administration has turned the servants into the privilaged and we are getting fleeced and hosed. Think of all the great things you and I could have done with all that money we flushed down the toilet in Iraq. Why? To settle a grudge against Saddam who tried to kill pa.
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Posted by: troy on Dec 26, 2008 6:33 PM
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Impeachment has been off the table. Bailout of Wall Street CEOs was acted on unusually quickly (before the average congressman-or woman- could actually read it). Unchallenged crimes and sanctioned theft for their big campaign contributors. This is what the Dems have done so far-with approving echos from Obama. Doesn't look promising, does it?
TRC
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Posted by: stellabloo on Dec 27, 2008 10:50 PM
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Still unable to find an official footnote to the recent and timely death of Barry Jennings ... poor soul now relegated to the back pages of the Alex Jones infosite and such ...
Speaking of back pages, here's a recent article from a canadian newspaper with some facts that were certainly 'news' to me:
Attack on 'Truthers' who question 9/11 failed to address their issues
$2.3 trillion in missing Pentagon funds, you say?
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