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Obama's Treasury Pick Has All the Wrong Ideas

Timothy Geithner is an architect, and now an enabler, of the unfolding crisis.
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 A year ago, when Barack Obama said it was time to turn the page, his campaign declaration seemed to promise a fresh start for Washington. I, for one, failed to foresee Obama would turn the page backward. The president-elect's lineup for key governing positions has opted for continuity, not change. Virtually all of his leading appointments are restoring the Clinton presidency, only without Mr. Bill. In some important ways, Obama's selections seem designed to sustain the failing policies of George W. Bush.

This is not the last word and things are changing rapidly. But Obama's choices have begun to define him. His victory, it appears, was a triumph for the cautious center-right politics that has described the Democratic party for several decades. Those of us who expected more were duped, not so much by Obama but by our own wishful thinking.

Let us stipulate that these are all honorable people, smart and experienced veterans of Washington combat. But they represent the Democratic party that mainly sees itself as managerial -- making government work better. The long era of conservative dominance has taught them to keep their distance from big reform ideas that promise fundamental change of the system. Their operating style is incremental and cautiously practical. They conscientiously avoid (or actively block) propositions that sound too liberal or radical. Alas, Obama is coming to power at a critical moment when incrementalism is irrelevant. The system is in collapse. Financial chaos won't wait for patient deliberations.

Events have confronted Obama with a fearful symmetry between past and present, illustrated by his choice of economic advisers. On Friday, we learned that Timothy Geithner, president of the New York Federal Reserve, would become his new treasury secretary and Larry Summers, who held the same position in the Clinton administration, would be the White House overseer of economic policy. On Monday, Geithner was busy executing the government's massive rescue of Citicorp -- the very banking behemoth that Geithner and Summers helped to create back in the Clinton years, along with Federal Reserve chairman Alan Greenspan and Robert Rubin, Clinton's economics guru. Now Rubin is himself a Citicorp executive and his bank is now being saved by his old protege (Geithner) with the taxpayers' money.

The connections go way beyond irony. They raise very serious questions about where the new president intends to lead and whether he has the nerve to break from the weak and haphazard strategy of the Bush administration. It has dumped piles of public money on the largest financial institutions and demanded little or nothing in return, hoping for the best. Geithner has been a central player in the deal-making, from Bear Stearns to AIG to Citi. The strategy has not only failed, it has arguably made things worse as savvy market players saw through the contradictions and rushed out to dump more bank stocks.

On Wall Street, Geithner is known as a highly competent technocrat, well versed in the financial complexities. But he has also been seen as a weak and compliant regulator of Wall Street firms, someone who did not see the storm coming. Occasionally, Geithner would anguish publicly about the accumulating time bombs like credit derivatives and urge bankers to do something, but he did not use his supervisory powers to compel action. In bailout negotiations with Wall Street titans, Geithner and the Federal Reserve were spun around like a top more than once.


William Greider is the author of, most recently, "The Soul of Capitalism" (Simon & Schuster).
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Obama's Stale and Misguided Picks for the Economy ...
Posted by: mmckinl on Nov 25, 2008 12:08 AM   
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William Greider has again hit the nail on the head. Obama through his choices for Secretary of the Treasury, Timothy Geithner and Larry Summers as Chief Economic Advisor, appears to have boxed himself into old incremental ideas that will not work to reverse the current financial meltdown.

In a previous article Mr. Greider brilliantly proposed the use of FDR's Bank Holiday to hold banks accountable for their balance sheets. Obama's picks will no doubt discredit this idea as this cleanup of bank balance sheets would cost their friends on Wall Street dearly.

Obama's picks will also vehemently oppose the creation of currency without borrowing from the banks. The banks will mount an all out defense of their monopoly on the creation of credit and currency. The founders made the creation of credit and currency the sovereign right of the country. The banks are now unwilling and/or not able to create currency and credit through their own balance sheets, due to their own malfeasance and greed. It is past time that the U.S. Treasury be allowed to print money without debt to restore the financial system to health.

Printing money without borrowing it leaves existing money in the system. Borrowing money to spend only takes the money from one pocket and puts it in another. By printing money, not borrowing it, the money can be used to clean up the financial industry while not burdening the tax payer with the interest of borrowing. As long as the printed money only replaces money that is being destroyed it won't contribute to inflation. When the economy gets back to health the money can be withdrawn gradually through higher taxes and further de-leveraging of the financial system.

Obama says he is reading Lincoln. Maybe he will get to the part were Lincoln, when confronted with usurious interest rates to pay for the Civil War, did what any real patriot would do, he just printed the money, he did not borrow it. They were called "Greenbacks".

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Krugman
Posted by: Sparks56 on Nov 25, 2008 2:06 AM   
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"someone from outside the financial club who can explain the flaws in the rescue strategy preached by Bush's treasury secretary Henry Paulson and Tim Geithner at the New York Fed."
I am very suprised Paul Krugman hasn't been tapped for some economic role in the Obama administration. Maybe he has and turned it down. Krugman is Academia, not Wall St. He's been warning about the excesses of Wall St and Main St. for some time. He knew the crash was coming, he just didn't know when. He would be an excellent counter-balance to the sharks Obama has chosen.

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There Is One Party In America...
Posted by: NoPCZone on Nov 25, 2008 4:44 AM   
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It's the property or money party and it has two right wings, one more offset to the right than the other.

What a country
Elect the G.O.P and get Republican economics.
Elect a Democrat and get Republican economics.

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Timothy Geithner, Head of Federal Reserved Bank
Posted by: 911FalseFlag on Nov 25, 2008 5:39 AM   
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I agree with the main message of this article. However, this author fails to point out the underlying cause of all depressions and all Wall Street bubbles is the cartel of private banks called the Federal Reserve Bank.
Obama's Appointment of Timothy Geithner speaks loud and clear that Obama will do nothing about disbanding the Federal Reserve Bank. John F. Kennedy tried to do this and he was killed within six months of the Executive Order that he passed.
Obama well knows that the Federal Reserve Bank cannot be touched without risk of death.

Please go to www.911insidejob.net. You'll find a very well done 10 minute video on the home page of my website talking about the evil of a private central bank printing a country's money and then lending this money back to it at interest.

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Oh, woe is me
Posted by: georgiaorwell on Nov 25, 2008 6:02 AM   
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Thank you, Mr. Greider, for writing this perspective on the abysmal state of affairs Obama's cabinet is shaping up to represent.

We have a failed nation with one party.
Only a grassroots movement set up like Obama's can take on such a fractured system.
We have until 2012 to figure it out and go for it. I suggest that everyone whose name and email ended up in the Obama campaign rolodex should start thinking about searching for someone who's above reproach as a progressive: anti-war, pro-women's health issues, anti-fed reserve, etc. candidate. You know the Obama people will be looking for your support in 4 years - but you will, hopefully, have come up with a candidate who means what they say and says what they mean.

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Wake the bugler
Posted by: Cordier on Nov 25, 2008 6:51 AM   
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time for taps...

Fades the light;
And afar
Goeth day,
And the stars
Shineth bright,
Fare thee well;
Day has gone,
Night is on.

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Obamarama-I told you so!
Posted by: Col. Jackleg on Nov 25, 2008 7:01 AM   
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I railed for motnhs before the election that Obamarama offered nothing but a half-assed change from neocon lunacy. I knew he would embrace Clinton's Republican-lite dementia and here 'tis folks. There are two progressives in Congress right now, i.e. Kucinich in the House and Feingold in the Senate. They are "off the table" and so are we. Welcome to Clinton/Bush readoption of Reagan's "voodoo economics." We are entitled to better but it will not happen. The Dipocrits have no more of a clue than the currently defunct GOP...but, as Obamarama waffles there will be a resuscitation in 2010 and the neocons will be back. So much for "change."

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Not Looking Good
Posted by: UnreasonableTeacher on Nov 25, 2008 7:26 AM   
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I am willing to give the Obama administration to opportunity prove themselves with the policies they plan on implementing. However, this article raises some troubling signs. I hope that these issues are brought to light during confirmation hearings for Geithner. This new administration is starting to look a lot like the Clinton administration. That isn't neccesarily a bad thing because Clinton did a pretty decent job. But given the state of our country today after the past 8 years, we do need something more radical.

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He hasn't even been sworn-in yet!
Posted by: rider3 on Nov 25, 2008 8:29 AM   
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Give me a break. Everyone is knocking Obama's selections when he isn't even in office yet. Obama will have the last word on any final policy decisions -- not anyone else. Let's wait and see what transpires before condeming him.

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Obama picks
Posted by: jareilly on Nov 25, 2008 8:50 AM   
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I was at my book club the other night, talking about the new Obama regime and the financial crisis. These are all solid center-left Democrats and cultural liberals (staunchly pro-gay marriage, etc.). They were talking in breathless, happy tones about Obama, saying he had picked a "great team" and that they were hopeful for the next 4 years. I didn't say anything because they all know what I think. I don't know what is more disheartening: Obama's backstabbing or the sheer obliviousness of his supporters. They were happy with Madeline Albright (500,000 Iraqi children's deaths were "worth it"). They were happy with Rahm Emmanuel, the pugnacious, self-aggrandizing DLC apparatchik and Likudnik. They were happy with all the recycled Clintonistas, including HRC herself at State. One of them said she hoped Obama would get all US troops out of Iraq in 12 months vs. the partial re-deployment in 16 months, as if there is any possibility that this might be accomplished by Obama himself.

Obama will of course, do whatever is necessary to ensure the seamless continuity of elite rule. Note how today's headline story trumpets the "cooperation" between the outgoing Bush/Cheney Regime and the incoming Obama regime. The ugly truth is that in order for any progressive change to occur at all, the joyous, hopeful Obama campaign and it's rank and file will have to become an angry impatient and disciplined long term campaign to force change out of Obama's Washington. Obama used to quote Frederick Douglas; something about how power never surrenders without a fight. If we want real change, not just change we can believe in, we will have to shove those words right back down Barack Obama's throat.

Will we do that? Will we be able to handle the crushing disappointment he is about to drop on us? Will we settle for his slick bromides and empty catchphrases or will we demand that he sign, seal and deliver?

I don't know. Wish I did.

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Stop Crying, really
Posted by: theVRWCwhodatesLiberals on Nov 25, 2008 9:01 AM   
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Obama could turn into Nixon's 3rd term w/ Watergate and you'll be back again voting for him and other Democrats becuase your media will tell you to vote for him.
Obama could cut taxes like Reagan and you will applaud that also
Obama could bail out every big bank, big city, big phrma, big hotel, wal-mart and the big three and you will just clap your hands
Irony about Obama is if her stays to the center all this stuff might work?

or

Maybe Ralph Nader is right

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I hate to say, "I Told You So" but.... ITYS
Posted by: DaBear on Nov 25, 2008 9:15 AM   
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I, for one, failed to foresee Obama would turn the page backward.

I instantly began to LMAOROTF. If I, a working class dolt could see this, why couldn't you with an ivy league eddicashun see it?

Seems to me that a lot of the 'Bama crowd were ST personalities... absolutely enmeshed with their five senses and their linear logical brains. They poo-poohed and spat on us NF's who ALL saw this coming, said so over and over again, were lambasted for "throwing our votes away" on the Greens or Nay-dar.. but then guess what? The NF's were all accurate where your five senses and your linear bullshit failed you. And thus now we have your guy in power, grabbing from the bag o' stoopids who'll merely ENSURE we all go down together.

If it wasn't so lethal and dangerous, I'd laugh some more. You ST personality, Bama is the messiah people are truly the death of us all. Oh wait, I forgot, where's all that "we just have to hold his feet to the fire..." energy, huh? Where's MoveOn and TrueMajority? Cheerleading the neoliberal craptasm that ensures our collective demisery. ITYS. You're all idiots and you need an enema.

Then there was this doosie: Barack Obama is too smart and perceptive to let this happen to his yet-unborn presidency. Maybe he should find out what Whalen knows.

Um... so you thought the guy woulda picked someone who was outside the owning-class craptastic box... then he picked exactly the most craptastic owning-class fuckup possible.... but then you say he's too smart to let this happen...

umm I hate to say it Willi, you're not using your brain too well. As for Whalen... clearly you know what he knows but you're just not listening... you're listening to the part of you that so desperately wants your Guy to be "too smart to let this happen..."

The level of stoopid wishfuls going around is truly staggering. ITYS, ITYS, ITYS!

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Lawrence Summers: a pro-NAFTA, pro-World Bank/IMF, unregulated free-market idealogue with baggage.
Posted by: gunboat diplomat on Nov 25, 2008 9:32 AM   
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News clipping:

September 15, 2007 U. of California Regents Disinvite Lawrence Summers as Dinner Speaker

"The faculty members said it was inappropriate for the regents to have Mr. Summers as their guest at a time when the university is struggling to diversity its faculty ranks. Mr. Summers resigned as Harvard’s president in 2006, after an epic battle with the faculty over a range of issues that came to a head when he suggested that women’s innate differences from men might explain why relatively few women reach the top in mathematics and science. He also criticized the work of Cornel West, leading that prominent scholar of religion and African-American studies to leave Harvard."

Summers at Harvard was also a big advocate of university-corporate integration via public-private partnerships that revolve around exclusive corporate access to university patents. This has been a disaster for the overall state of U.S. higher education. See University Inc..

Another issue is NAFTA and similar trade agreements, which are essentially anti-labor, anti-environmental accords that favor corporate control over democratic control? Recall that in 2007, Obama said this about NAFTA (NYT)

"Mr. Obama said he would “immediately call the president of Mexico, the president of Canada, to try to amend NAFTA.”

OK, so Canada has a prime minister, not a president. Gaff! Then, we had this mysterious Canadian memo: Obama on defense over Canada memo on NAFTA"

There, we had an Obama adviser allegedly reassuring a Canadian official that the rhetoric about NAFTA was just "political positioning". Clinton tried to raise the issue, then her chief strategist, Mark Penn, got caught advising Colombian officials on how to get THAT trade deal passed - what a farce. Obama has made no public statement about the status of the Colombian trade deal, either.

Now, in the face of the economic crisis, I suppose all that must be put aside... that's what they are saying about renewable energy, too. Gosh. Guess health care reform is off the table, too... everything must go to rescue Citigroup and Goldman Sachs from the results of their own greedy-but-not-quite-illegal behavior...

That's the great thing about the white collar mafia. No need to break laws, lean on judges, or send thugs to collect. You get the politicians to change the laws so the judges are irrelevant, and if there are foreclosures to carry out, well, there's the sheriff.

Alice in Wonderland...

Alice: If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?

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Far Left: Blast the Hell out of Obama Before He Even Getes To December ?
Posted by: hadashito on Nov 25, 2008 11:45 AM   
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Thanks to the freaked out far left pundits for their warnings that the sky is falling because Obama has not selected THEIR favorites for cabinet positions. The web anb TV is full of rank criticisms, most;ly by the left. How about giving the guy a chance before you roundly condemn nearly every thing he does, especially since you haven't the slightest idea what at any development by the not-quiite-so-far left. Or better yet, just SHUT UP until you learn about what's going on.

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This is SIMPLE to UNDERSTAND...
Posted by: joeocho88 on Nov 25, 2008 3:07 PM   
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Because so many Americans disliked George H.W. Bush's vision of the New World Order,Mister Clinton was elected instead.
When Mr. Clinton served both of his allotted terms, Mr. George H.W. Bush was determined to implement his policies so he got his SON elected with his old pal and NIXON crony Dick Chaney to babysit him.
Since Mr. Clinton obviously has unfinished business,similiar to what Jimmy Carter tried to do to us, it looks like President-elect Obama might complete THIS agenda by appointing CLINTON people and possibly CARTER people to his administration... THIS IS THE CHANGE AND THE HOPE HE PROMISED US WHEN HE RAN?????
SOME CHANGE AND NOT A HELL OF A LOT OF HOPE.

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I prefer The Nation without the Whining.
Posted by: Longdream on Nov 25, 2008 3:23 PM   
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And I prefer this article by the Editor over the free-form frisbee tournament in the above article, although Vanden Heuvel still needs to label and contrive, and uses a phrase of Krugman'a a bit too handily, and more pointedly than he does himself.

Here's something from the piece:

1. It will take large scale, organized movements to win transformative change. There is no civil rights legislation without the movement, no New Deal without the unions and the unemployed councils, no end to slavery without the abolitionists. In our era, this will need to play out at two levels: district-by-district and state-by-state organizing to get us to the 218 and sixty votes necessary to pass any major legislation; and the movement energy that can create public will, a new narrative and move the elites in DC to shift from orthodoxy. The energy in the country needs to be converted into real organization.

2. We need to be able to play inside and outside politics at the same time. I think this will be challenging for those of us schooled in the habits of pure opposition and protest. We need to make an effort to engage the new Administration and Congress constructively, even as we push without apology for solutions at a scale necessary to deliver. This is in the interest of the Democratic Party--which rode the wave of a new coalition of African Americans, Latinos, young people, women, etc--but they have been beaten down by conservative attacks and the natural impulse will be caution and hiding behind desks.

3. Progressives need to stick up especially forcefully for the most vulnerable parts of the coalition--poor people, immigrants, etc--those who got almost no mention during the election and will be most likely to be left off the bus.


I don't label myself anymore, basically because of the flyweight complaints of people who call themselves "progressives" and therefore think they own the copyright on The One True Way To Run The Obama Administration Before It Has Begun. I've just lived through eight years of that kind of opinionated nonsense, with the stuck-up, know-all Republicans sniggering and insulting the opposition while they had a field day plying their own ideology on the environment and the public.

What, you think just because you say you're progressive, your ideology is the better one to force?

What are we in this for? Is it so our opinions can be taken up and glorified by people on a lousy blog? Is it so we can get some strokes that we're missing in real air? Is it so our negativity can be vindicated? In advance no less?

I'm just back here at AlterNet after a long hiatus. I used my spare time to work in the campaign. When Barack takes office, I'm pretty sure I won't want to be around to see the mass hysteria the day Hillary Clinton takes her first steps out of the White House as Secretary of State. And besides, there will be real work to do, for some people.

And spare me. I won't let the door do anything to me on my way out. Thanks anyway.

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Not inaugurated yet, but ...
Posted by: Brb007 on Nov 25, 2008 7:05 PM   
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Even though Obama is not in office yet, as has been pointed out by numerous folks, his choices certainly lay out an indication of his plans and ideas for the jump start once he arrives at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. His recent choices surely must alert us to watch closely. We sat back and entrusted far too much for far too long to the current administration, at a huge cost economically, strategically, in foreign policy, Constitutional integrity and in many additional areas, too lengthy to list. I hate to say it, but I truly believe that most of our politicians are patterned and on a predetermined path, influenced by the political environment itself ... including those who are not D.C. "insiders."

While I believe that Obama can and will make some necessary changes, I still believe that our political system is in serious disrepair and in dire need of an overhaul. Common sense would seem to dictate that if these positions are being filled, primarily with the same faces and political minds that have been employing their perspectives for the past few decades, how can we believe there will be a significant change in action, ideology and policy? It would seem unlikely, I am sad to say. Of course, I hope that I am wrong and that there is something far more profound happening behind the scenes than appearances indicate.

Until we have some radical changes in the way that our politics and politicians operate, the length of terms they serve, the electoral college, the lobbying that is permitted, the formation of policy being done by those who lobby the hardest and pay the most, I am afraid we will see things eerily reminiscent of past administrations, but perhaps with a bit more diplomacy, candor and discretion employed in the process. Let's not forget who encouraged and convinced Obama to run for POTUS this early in his career. Those people are bound to have some influence, if only behind the scenes.

While I have hope that we will rise to a more positive status than we currently have, I will reserve excitement and all solid hope for the vast changes that are needed to correct some of the inherent problems that keep our bureaucracy habitually dragging and lagging in red tape and infighting. We will not see true change, major improvement and a return to the level of democracy that we once enjoyed, until there is a major restructuring in our very system. It is not just the GOP that has to reinvent themselves, although they do seem to exhibit more of the symptoms overtly, but our political system as a whole which needs to return to a balanced entity that is truly representative of the people they serve as well as inclusive of our citizens voices, to a degree that we truly are a democracy and a government of the people, by the people and for the people, with our elected officials and public servants being just that ... public servants, not individuals with personal agendas who seek power and prestige.

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Obama's Stale and Misguided Picks for the Economy ...
Posted by: mmckinl on Nov 25, 2008 12:08 AM   
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William Greider has again hit the nail on the head. Obama through his choices for Secretary of the Treasury, Timothy Geithner and Larry Summers as Chief Economic Advisor, appears to have boxed himself into old incremental ideas that will not work to reverse the current financial meltdown.

In a previous article Mr. Greider brilliantly proposed the use of FDR's Bank Holiday to hold banks accountable for their balance sheets. Obama's picks will no doubt discredit this idea as this cleanup of bank balance sheets would cost their friends on Wall Street dearly.

Obama's picks will also vehemently oppose the creation of currency without borrowing from the banks. The banks will mount an all out defense of their monopoly on the creation of credit and currency. The founders made the creation of credit and currency the sovereign right of the country. The banks are now unwilling and/or not able to create currency and credit through their own balance sheets, due to their own malfeasance and greed. It is past time that the U.S. Treasury be allowed to print money without debt to restore the financial system to health.

Printing money without borrowing it leaves existing money in the system. Borrowing money to spend only takes the money from one pocket and puts it in another. By printing money, not borrowing it, the money can be used to clean up the financial industry while not burdening the tax payer with the interest of borrowing. As long as the printed money only replaces money that is being destroyed it won't contribute to inflation. When the economy gets back to health the money can be withdrawn gradually through higher taxes and further de-leveraging of the financial system.

Obama says he is reading Lincoln. Maybe he will get to the part were Lincoln, when confronted with usurious interest rates to pay for the Civil War, did what any real patriot would do, he just printed the money, he did not borrow it. They were called "Greenbacks".

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Krugman
Posted by: Sparks56 on Nov 25, 2008 2:06 AM   
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"someone from outside the financial club who can explain the flaws in the rescue strategy preached by Bush's treasury secretary Henry Paulson and Tim Geithner at the New York Fed."
I am very suprised Paul Krugman hasn't been tapped for some economic role in the Obama administration. Maybe he has and turned it down. Krugman is Academia, not Wall St. He's been warning about the excesses of Wall St and Main St. for some time. He knew the crash was coming, he just didn't know when. He would be an excellent counter-balance to the sharks Obama has chosen.

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There Is One Party In America...
Posted by: NoPCZone on Nov 25, 2008 4:44 AM   
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It's the property or money party and it has two right wings, one more offset to the right than the other.

What a country
Elect the G.O.P and get Republican economics.
Elect a Democrat and get Republican economics.

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Timothy Geithner, Head of Federal Reserved Bank
Posted by: 911FalseFlag on Nov 25, 2008 5:39 AM   
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I agree with the main message of this article. However, this author fails to point out the underlying cause of all depressions and all Wall Street bubbles is the cartel of private banks called the Federal Reserve Bank.
Obama's Appointment of Timothy Geithner speaks loud and clear that Obama will do nothing about disbanding the Federal Reserve Bank. John F. Kennedy tried to do this and he was killed within six months of the Executive Order that he passed.
Obama well knows that the Federal Reserve Bank cannot be touched without risk of death.

Please go to www.911insidejob.net. You'll find a very well done 10 minute video on the home page of my website talking about the evil of a private central bank printing a country's money and then lending this money back to it at interest.

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Oh, woe is me
Posted by: georgiaorwell on Nov 25, 2008 6:02 AM   
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Thank you, Mr. Greider, for writing this perspective on the abysmal state of affairs Obama's cabinet is shaping up to represent.

We have a failed nation with one party.
Only a grassroots movement set up like Obama's can take on such a fractured system.
We have until 2012 to figure it out and go for it. I suggest that everyone whose name and email ended up in the Obama campaign rolodex should start thinking about searching for someone who's above reproach as a progressive: anti-war, pro-women's health issues, anti-fed reserve, etc. candidate. You know the Obama people will be looking for your support in 4 years - but you will, hopefully, have come up with a candidate who means what they say and says what they mean.

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Wake the bugler
Posted by: Cordier on Nov 25, 2008 6:51 AM   
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time for taps...

Fades the light;
And afar
Goeth day,
And the stars
Shineth bright,
Fare thee well;
Day has gone,
Night is on.

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Obamarama-I told you so!
Posted by: Col. Jackleg on Nov 25, 2008 7:01 AM   
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I railed for motnhs before the election that Obamarama offered nothing but a half-assed change from neocon lunacy. I knew he would embrace Clinton's Republican-lite dementia and here 'tis folks. There are two progressives in Congress right now, i.e. Kucinich in the House and Feingold in the Senate. They are "off the table" and so are we. Welcome to Clinton/Bush readoption of Reagan's "voodoo economics." We are entitled to better but it will not happen. The Dipocrits have no more of a clue than the currently defunct GOP...but, as Obamarama waffles there will be a resuscitation in 2010 and the neocons will be back. So much for "change."

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Not Looking Good
Posted by: UnreasonableTeacher on Nov 25, 2008 7:26 AM   
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I am willing to give the Obama administration to opportunity prove themselves with the policies they plan on implementing. However, this article raises some troubling signs. I hope that these issues are brought to light during confirmation hearings for Geithner. This new administration is starting to look a lot like the Clinton administration. That isn't neccesarily a bad thing because Clinton did a pretty decent job. But given the state of our country today after the past 8 years, we do need something more radical.

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He hasn't even been sworn-in yet!
Posted by: rider3 on Nov 25, 2008 8:29 AM   
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Give me a break. Everyone is knocking Obama's selections when he isn't even in office yet. Obama will have the last word on any final policy decisions -- not anyone else. Let's wait and see what transpires before condeming him.

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Obama picks
Posted by: jareilly on Nov 25, 2008 8:50 AM   
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I was at my book club the other night, talking about the new Obama regime and the financial crisis. These are all solid center-left Democrats and cultural liberals (staunchly pro-gay marriage, etc.). They were talking in breathless, happy tones about Obama, saying he had picked a "great team" and that they were hopeful for the next 4 years. I didn't say anything because they all know what I think. I don't know what is more disheartening: Obama's backstabbing or the sheer obliviousness of his supporters. They were happy with Madeline Albright (500,000 Iraqi children's deaths were "worth it"). They were happy with Rahm Emmanuel, the pugnacious, self-aggrandizing DLC apparatchik and Likudnik. They were happy with all the recycled Clintonistas, including HRC herself at State. One of them said she hoped Obama would get all US troops out of Iraq in 12 months vs. the partial re-deployment in 16 months, as if there is any possibility that this might be accomplished by Obama himself.

Obama will of course, do whatever is necessary to ensure the seamless continuity of elite rule. Note how today's headline story trumpets the "cooperation" between the outgoing Bush/Cheney Regime and the incoming Obama regime. The ugly truth is that in order for any progressive change to occur at all, the joyous, hopeful Obama campaign and it's rank and file will have to become an angry impatient and disciplined long term campaign to force change out of Obama's Washington. Obama used to quote Frederick Douglas; something about how power never surrenders without a fight. If we want real change, not just change we can believe in, we will have to shove those words right back down Barack Obama's throat.

Will we do that? Will we be able to handle the crushing disappointment he is about to drop on us? Will we settle for his slick bromides and empty catchphrases or will we demand that he sign, seal and deliver?

I don't know. Wish I did.

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Stop Crying, really
Posted by: theVRWCwhodatesLiberals on Nov 25, 2008 9:01 AM   
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Obama could turn into Nixon's 3rd term w/ Watergate and you'll be back again voting for him and other Democrats becuase your media will tell you to vote for him.
Obama could cut taxes like Reagan and you will applaud that also
Obama could bail out every big bank, big city, big phrma, big hotel, wal-mart and the big three and you will just clap your hands
Irony about Obama is if her stays to the center all this stuff might work?

or

Maybe Ralph Nader is right

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I hate to say, "I Told You So" but.... ITYS
Posted by: DaBear on Nov 25, 2008 9:15 AM   
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I, for one, failed to foresee Obama would turn the page backward.

I instantly began to LMAOROTF. If I, a working class dolt could see this, why couldn't you with an ivy league eddicashun see it?

Seems to me that a lot of the 'Bama crowd were ST personalities... absolutely enmeshed with their five senses and their linear logical brains. They poo-poohed and spat on us NF's who ALL saw this coming, said so over and over again, were lambasted for "throwing our votes away" on the Greens or Nay-dar.. but then guess what? The NF's were all accurate where your five senses and your linear bullshit failed you. And thus now we have your guy in power, grabbing from the bag o' stoopids who'll merely ENSURE we all go down together.

If it wasn't so lethal and dangerous, I'd laugh some more. You ST personality, Bama is the messiah people are truly the death of us all. Oh wait, I forgot, where's all that "we just have to hold his feet to the fire..." energy, huh? Where's MoveOn and TrueMajority? Cheerleading the neoliberal craptasm that ensures our collective demisery. ITYS. You're all idiots and you need an enema.

Then there was this doosie: Barack Obama is too smart and perceptive to let this happen to his yet-unborn presidency. Maybe he should find out what Whalen knows.

Um... so you thought the guy woulda picked someone who was outside the owning-class craptastic box... then he picked exactly the most craptastic owning-class fuckup possible.... but then you say he's too smart to let this happen...

umm I hate to say it Willi, you're not using your brain too well. As for Whalen... clearly you know what he knows but you're just not listening... you're listening to the part of you that so desperately wants your Guy to be "too smart to let this happen..."

The level of stoopid wishfuls going around is truly staggering. ITYS, ITYS, ITYS!

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Lawrence Summers: a pro-NAFTA, pro-World Bank/IMF, unregulated free-market idealogue with baggage.
Posted by: gunboat diplomat on Nov 25, 2008 9:32 AM   
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News clipping:

September 15, 2007 U. of California Regents Disinvite Lawrence Summers as Dinner Speaker

"The faculty members said it was inappropriate for the regents to have Mr. Summers as their guest at a time when the university is struggling to diversity its faculty ranks. Mr. Summers resigned as Harvard’s president in 2006, after an epic battle with the faculty over a range of issues that came to a head when he suggested that women’s innate differences from men might explain why relatively few women reach the top in mathematics and science. He also criticized the work of Cornel West, leading that prominent scholar of religion and African-American studies to leave Harvard."

Summers at Harvard was also a big advocate of university-corporate integration via public-private partnerships that revolve around exclusive corporate access to university patents. This has been a disaster for the overall state of U.S. higher education. See University Inc..

Another issue is NAFTA and similar trade agreements, which are essentially anti-labor, anti-environmental accords that favor corporate control over democratic control? Recall that in 2007, Obama said this about NAFTA (NYT)

"Mr. Obama said he would “immediately call the president of Mexico, the president of Canada, to try to amend NAFTA.”

OK, so Canada has a prime minister, not a president. Gaff! Then, we had this mysterious Canadian memo: Obama on defense over Canada memo on NAFTA"

There, we had an Obama adviser allegedly reassuring a Canadian official that the rhetoric about NAFTA was just "political positioning". Clinton tried to raise the issue, then her chief strategist, Mark Penn, got caught advising Colombian officials on how to get THAT trade deal passed - what a farce. Obama has made no public statement about the status of the Colombian trade deal, either.

Now, in the face of the economic crisis, I suppose all that must be put aside... that's what they are saying about renewable energy, too. Gosh. Guess health care reform is off the table, too... everything must go to rescue Citigroup and Goldman Sachs from the results of their own greedy-but-not-quite-illegal behavior...

That's the great thing about the white collar mafia. No need to break laws, lean on judges, or send thugs to collect. You get the politicians to change the laws so the judges are irrelevant, and if there are foreclosures to carry out, well, there's the sheriff.

Alice in Wonderland...

Alice: If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?

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Far Left: Blast the Hell out of Obama Before He Even Getes To December ?
Posted by: hadashito on Nov 25, 2008 11:45 AM   
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Thanks to the freaked out far left pundits for their warnings that the sky is falling because Obama has not selected THEIR favorites for cabinet positions. The web anb TV is full of rank criticisms, most;ly by the left. How about giving the guy a chance before you roundly condemn nearly every thing he does, especially since you haven't the slightest idea what at any development by the not-quiite-so-far left. Or better yet, just SHUT UP until you learn about what's going on.

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This is SIMPLE to UNDERSTAND...
Posted by: joeocho88 on Nov 25, 2008 3:07 PM   
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Because so many Americans disliked George H.W. Bush's vision of the New World Order,Mister Clinton was elected instead.
When Mr. Clinton served both of his allotted terms, Mr. George H.W. Bush was determined to implement his policies so he got his SON elected with his old pal and NIXON crony Dick Chaney to babysit him.
Since Mr. Clinton obviously has unfinished business,similiar to what Jimmy Carter tried to do to us, it looks like President-elect Obama might complete THIS agenda by appointing CLINTON people and possibly CARTER people to his administration... THIS IS THE CHANGE AND THE HOPE HE PROMISED US WHEN HE RAN?????
SOME CHANGE AND NOT A HELL OF A LOT OF HOPE.

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I prefer The Nation without the Whining.
Posted by: Longdream on Nov 25, 2008 3:23 PM   
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And I prefer this article by the Editor over the free-form frisbee tournament in the above article, although Vanden Heuvel still needs to label and contrive, and uses a phrase of Krugman'a a bit too handily, and more pointedly than he does himself.

Here's something from the piece:

1. It will take large scale, organized movements to win transformative change. There is no civil rights legislation without the movement, no New Deal without the unions and the unemployed councils, no end to slavery without the abolitionists. In our era, this will need to play out at two levels: district-by-district and state-by-state organizing to get us to the 218 and sixty votes necessary to pass any major legislation; and the movement energy that can create public will, a new narrative and move the elites in DC to shift from orthodoxy. The energy in the country needs to be converted into real organization.

2. We need to be able to play inside and outside politics at the same time. I think this will be challenging for those of us schooled in the habits of pure opposition and protest. We need to make an effort to engage the new Administration and Congress constructively, even as we push without apology for solutions at a scale necessary to deliver. This is in the interest of the Democratic Party--which rode the wave of a new coalition of African Americans, Latinos, young people, women, etc--but they have been beaten down by conservative attacks and the natural impulse will be caution and hiding behind desks.

3. Progressives need to stick up especially forcefully for the most vulnerable parts of the coalition--poor people, immigrants, etc--those who got almost no mention during the election and will be most likely to be left off the bus.


I don't label myself anymore, basically because of the flyweight complaints of people who call themselves "progressives" and therefore think they own the copyright on The One True Way To Run The Obama Administration Before It Has Begun. I've just lived through eight years of that kind of opinionated nonsense, with the stuck-up, know-all Republicans sniggering and insulting the opposition while they had a field day plying their own ideology on the environment and the public.

What, you think just because you say you're progressive, your ideology is the better one to force?

What are we in this for? Is it so our opinions can be taken up and glorified by people on a lousy blog? Is it so we can get some strokes that we're missing in real air? Is it so our negativity can be vindicated? In advance no less?

I'm just back here at AlterNet after a long hiatus. I used my spare time to work in the campaign. When Barack takes office, I'm pretty sure I won't want to be around to see the mass hysteria the day Hillary Clinton takes her first steps out of the White House as Secretary of State. And besides, there will be real work to do, for some people.

And spare me. I won't let the door do anything to me on my way out. Thanks anyway.

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Not inaugurated yet, but ...
Posted by: Brb007 on Nov 25, 2008 7:05 PM   
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Even though Obama is not in office yet, as has been pointed out by numerous folks, his choices certainly lay out an indication of his plans and ideas for the jump start once he arrives at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. His recent choices surely must alert us to watch closely. We sat back and entrusted far too much for far too long to the current administration, at a huge cost economically, strategically, in foreign policy, Constitutional integrity and in many additional areas, too lengthy to list. I hate to say it, but I truly believe that most of our politicians are patterned and on a predetermined path, influenced by the political environment itself ... including those who are not D.C. "insiders."

While I believe that Obama can and will make some necessary changes, I still believe that our political system is in serious disrepair and in dire need of an overhaul. Common sense would seem to dictate that if these positions are being filled, primarily with the same faces and political minds that have been employing their perspectives for the past few decades, how can we believe there will be a significant change in action, ideology and policy? It would seem unlikely, I am sad to say. Of course, I hope that I am wrong and that there is something far more profound happening behind the scenes than appearances indicate.

Until we have some radical changes in the way that our politics and politicians operate, the length of terms they serve, the electoral college, the lobbying that is permitted, the formation of policy being done by those who lobby the hardest and pay the most, I am afraid we will see things eerily reminiscent of past administrations, but perhaps with a bit more diplomacy, candor and discretion employed in the process. Let's not forget who encouraged and convinced Obama to run for POTUS this early in his career. Those people are bound to have some influence, if only behind the scenes.

While I have hope that we will rise to a more positive status than we currently have, I will reserve excitement and all solid hope for the vast changes that are needed to correct some of the inherent problems that keep our bureaucracy habitually dragging and lagging in red tape and infighting. We will not see true change, major improvement and a return to the level of democracy that we once enjoyed, until there is a major restructuring in our very system. It is not just the GOP that has to reinvent themselves, although they do seem to exhibit more of the symptoms overtly, but our political system as a whole which needs to return to a balanced entity that is truly representative of the people they serve as well as inclusive of our citizens voices, to a degree that we truly are a democracy and a government of the people, by the people and for the people, with our elected officials and public servants being just that ... public servants, not individuals with personal agendas who seek power and prestige.

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