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Election 2008

This Really Is Our Victory

By Marisa Handler, AlterNet. Posted November 8, 2008.


If 9/11, 2001, and the seven years following destroyed the myth of America, then in one fell swoop, November 4, 2008 restored it.
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When the election was called for Barack Hussein Obama on the evening of November 4th, I did two things. First, I danced around the room, skipping between friends, hooting and ululating. Then, I cried. Judging from the photos of people across the country and the world, my reaction was far from singular. From Milwaukee to Columbus to Charlotte to Nairobi to Tokyo to Paris, people were jubilant and emotional. In left-leaning online political forums, sites of unbridled cynicism and despondency for the past eight years, contributors wrote things like "my faith in humanity and democracy has been restored," "we are dancing in the streets," and "I can't quit crying, I'm so happy and relieved."

We came together as a people, as a planet. It was a moment that struck me in its paradoxical resemblances to 9/11, likenesses that echoed obliquely in the way circus mirrors do, reversing and triangulating and upending. 9/11 vanquished the myth of an untouchable U.S. It rendered this country vulnerable, just like any other nation. And the world opened its arms in an outpouring of empathy. Over the following seven years, the Bush administration effectively wrecked that capital, along with the other, more intoxicating mythology -- that of America the great, beacon of liberty and justice. (Whatever remained intact, that is, after Nixon and Vietnam and Reagan and the multiple covert and overt meddlings in other nation's politics) We were just like any other nation under the helm of bad leadership: we were fallible, misguided, blind in our vengeance. Except the consequences, being a superpower, were not limited to our shores, our climate, our economy.

If September 11, 2001 and the seven years following destroyed the myth of America, then in one fell swoop, November 4, 2008 restored it. On November 4th, this was suddenly again a nation where anything was possible, where liberty and justice and democracy stood proud. Like 9/11, we were again vulnerable, again the world loved us. But this was a chosen vulnerability, the vulnerability of falling in love, of hazarding connection; we were risking hope over fear, unity over fragmentation. This time, in the place of a prevailing sense of helplessness, there was an impression of collective might. Barack Obama spoke to our idealism; to our faith in ourselves and each other; it was a message powerful enough to cross the political rift that has expanded vertiginously these past eight years. He believed in the best of America, in the finest in us, and persuaded by the strength and elegance of his vision, we did too.

And thus the myth was resurrected, phoenix and all.

It was the myth of America that brought my family here twenty years ago, that sent us skittering from grimly static apartheid South Africa across the Atlantic in pursuit of hope. Initially the U.S. appeared the embodiment of all it claimed to stand for: I went from a segregated public school in Cape Town to the rainbow of a junior high school in the San Fernando Valley. But gradually my eyes were opened to the banshees of racism and injustice that haunted even these grounds, that howled and raged during the LA riots, that keened after Katrina. With a passion no doubt inflected by the sour-mouthed sense of having been duped -- after all we'd left behind, all we'd sacrificed! -- I became an activist. I organized against the war in Iraq, against the Free Trade Area of the Americas, against Bush's policies in the Middle East, against egregious local and global environmental policies, against Bush's re-nomination in 2004. All the while feeling like Sisyphus pushing a perversely barbed globe up an active volcano.

For the past eight years, my patriotism has expressed itself almost solely as dissent. It takes a toll on one's psyche in multiple ways. I was 23 when Bush won his first term. I've spent the majority of my adult life feeling ashamed of my adopted homeland. As a journalist traveling the globe to cover stories of resistance and hope, I've watched as anti-American sentiment has steadily ratcheted up. I've explained time and again how there were many in the U.S. who did not support Bush, that Americans were not innately self-serving, greedy, vengeful. What would it be like, I wondered, to feel proud of my country? To re-imagine this nation as an upstanding member of the global community? To opine instead of apologize? To read a newspaper and be sincerely interested in what my president has to say?

When Barack Obama took to the stage in Chicago to claim victory, he did not claim it for himself. "This is your victory," he said to the millions listening. He reached out to those who had not voted for him. He spoke of people in all corners of the globe. He was humble, he was inclusive, he reminded us of our own agency; he was, in short, being the change he wished to see in the world, as Gandhi put it.

When I woke up the next morning, it struck me that the change we were experiencing was existential. I felt less afraid, bolder, more generous. I also felt huge relief: the relief of allowing myself to believe in this country again, of trusting in the intentions and integrity of our leader. We won. Hope won. Faith won. After eight years of losing -- losing not only political battles, but my own belief in this country, in its citizens and the beautiful ideals upon which it was founded; eight years of losing faith in our capacity for change, our capacity for hope, even our capacity for outrage. The Bush years destroyed the myth of America. And while painful, I'd argue it was a necessary demolition. Bush was a realization of our collective psyche, as is every system we construct, every government we elect. Perhaps we had to see our own darkness embodied in order to choose otherwise. The myth has been resurrected, now, but she's a little less gawky, a little less vociferous, a little softer around the edges. For we are a little wiser, now, and whether or not we believe in Obama's message of change, we are, as a nation, changed. Would a candidate like Barack Obama even be a possibility were it not for the past eight years? Would we be able to rise like this had we not, as a nation, descended so low?

I think not.

Change is a mysterious creature. She is often reluctant to manifest where and when we want her most. But none of our efforts are wasted; none of the seeds we sow sit dead in the ground. How is it that a black seed plus brown earth plus water plus air equals a poppy, a rose, a hibiscus? How is it that a half-Kenyan man with a Muslim middle name is President-elect of this nation? The mystery carries us with it, as does history, the individual waltzing the collective and the collective waltzing the individual, and what seems impossible in the moment in hindsight becomes inexorable. My family left South Africa in 1988 convinced nothing would change, at least not for the better. We were wrong. Six years later a black man became president in the land of my birth. Fourteen years later, in my adopted homeland -- where a hundred and fifty years ago blacks were slaves, where forty five years ago they could not vote -- a black man was elected president. No matter how Obama chooses to address the racial inequities in this country, his very presence in its highest office will, in ways both obvious and invisible, work to kindle the kind of healing that this polarized nation needs. As it did in South Africa. Prior to the election, I did some canvassing in Iowa City, where I'm currently living as a graduate student. The precinct office was a room off a local caf; it was filled with undergraduates making calls on their cell phones, tapping away on their laptops. The precinct captain was a tireless undergraduate.

Obama's precinct offices across the nation were staffed by youth; the youth vote in this election was unprecedented. I am thirty-one, certainly not old, but sitting there I understood the gratitude I have at times heard from activists in their sixties and seventies. There was something immensely reassuring in watching these kids at work, something that spoke directly to the eight years of defeat I'd been lugging about like a millstone. There were others to carry the work of change, others to inspire, to foment. I'd taken a step back; others had stepped forward. The dance was not of my own choreography, nor had it ever been. When the music beckons, I will again step forward.

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Marisa Handler--writer, activist, speaker, and singer-songwriter -- is the author of Loyal to the Sky: Notes from an Activist, which won a 2008 Nautilus Gold Award for world-changing books. Her journalism has appeared in the San Francisco Chronicle, the San Francisco Bay Guardian, Earth Island Journal, Salon.com, Alternet, and Tikkun, Orion, The Sun, and Bitch magazines. Marisa speaks and sings about visionary social change all over the country. Her first full-length album, Dark Spoke, was released last year. More at marisahandler.com.

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They Did Everything But Take Out An Ad
Posted by: ranchero42 on Nov 8, 2008 2:16 AM   
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"We Have Lost Our Way, Come Watch Us Fumbling In The Darkness". For me, I knew it was truly over when the talking points appeared from the Right concerning alternative energy development. How was it NOT cognitive dissonance for the GOP to claim that for Americans, all things are possible, but at the same time wind, solar, hybrid energy are experimental and for some distant future so it's time to drill or be drilled? "Give up, you're wasting your time and ours" is a positive message? Maybe they really are just showing their age. Laziness and ignorance were never claimed as virtues by "true conservatives" before.

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A delapidated house can be an exciting challenge
Posted by: outlook on Nov 8, 2008 2:56 AM   
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and hopefully, the American people will be asked to help re-build it.

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Ms. Handler pls. don't evoke 9/11
Posted by: weathered on Nov 8, 2008 2:59 AM   
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as a time and space of America's comity and compassion for our sudden vulnerability.

Capture the hearts&minds of those closest to WTC and behold a far different affect.

Pull the plug on all MSM and flourish, or stay stuck in the lies.

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Yes We can, And, Yes We Did, And Now, We Must......
Posted by: Abe on Nov 8, 2008 3:59 AM   
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Stand together as one Nation
Join our hands in harmony
Show the World what is possible
In this, Land of Liberty.

Realize the great importance
Of, the real history of this day
And know, the passing of this torch
Has forever, changed our way.

Demand, those promises be kept
Now that the campaign is done
Put the lobbyists in their place
And make the People, number one.

Take better care of our young
Raise the bar of their education
Make health care affordable to all
Control the cost of medication.

Keep promises made to Veterans
Take care, of those back from war
Strive for World peace and security
Because, that's what we stand for.

Secure our wide-open borders
Stop illegal people and the drugs
We must enforce our Rule of Law
To stop the traffickers and thugs.

Protect our worker's livelihoods
Quit sending their jobs, overseas
Make all those goods we buy, safe
Not let them sell us, what they please.

Provide for our senior citizens
And, help them live with dignity
Remember, when we are younger
That one day, that's who, we'll be.

Make sure no one goes hungry
Or, lives homeless on the street
To pass from this life unnoticed
From winter's cold or summer heat.

Take on our global warming
Be a leader for a sensible cure
End our fossil fuel dependence
Or, it might be the end, for sure.

Make sure all, pay their fair share
Put an end to Wall Street greed
Quit bailing out white collar thieves
For, jail time is what, they need.

Find a simple way to vote that works
So we can trust it will be counted
And you must vote to have a say
Or your complaints will be discounted.

Return to, "By and for the People"
We must get back, Freedoms lost
For, when our Rights slip away
That is by far, too high a cost.

Yes, we can and yes, we will
But each must do, our part in the cause
Change this Country back once more
To the greatness, that, once was.

Del "Abe" Jones
11.05.2008
abeabe@att.net

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The New BIGOTS: Barry the Kenyan and Biden
Posted by: George DeCarlo on Nov 8, 2008 5:36 AM   
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California is another example of what I have consistently explained, not all traditionally disenfranchised groups care about Gays and Lesbians. And as groups, Blacks, Latinos and some Democrats and Obama lovers cast their votes of hatred against us. I make it quite clear to anyone that wants to be close to me as a friend, if you do not support my having Full Equal Rights you are not my friend. The groups above are not that to me.

As a relative from the Philippines just told me about our first (possibly?) non-"natural born" president elect, his persona reminds her of the snake in the grass dictator Marcos' personality. Of course there is the exception that Marcos left the Gays and Lesbians alone while the restored democracy under Aquino started to oppress Gays by closing bars.

Oh, here are some horrible beliefs Democrats will make excuses for:

“I’m not in favor of gay marriage...” -- Barack Obama, Hardball with Chris Matthews, MSNBC 4 – 2 – 08. When asked to specifically define his views on marriage, Obama has stated that he believes “that marriage is the union between a man and a woman.” “Now, for me as a Christian, it’s also a sacred union. God’s in the mix.”

And another helpful quote... From Joe Biden: “Barack Obama nor I support redefining from a civil side what constitutes marriage. We do not support that.”

And for the go slow liberal and progressive crowd when Full Equal Rights is OK for everyone but us crowd:

Speech at the Great March on Detroit
23 June 1963
Detroit, Mich

"Then there is another cry. They say, "Why don’t you do it in a gradual manner?" Well, gradualism is little more than escapism and do-nothingism, which ends up in stand-stillism."...

George

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George DeCarlo, CH
Consulting Hypnotist
908-342-1275 (cell)

End heterosexual oppression of Gays, Lesbians and Bisexuals - support full equal rights!

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E-Mail to Obama-Go to www.change.gov
Posted by: 911FalseFlag on Nov 8, 2008 5:40 AM   
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I am an attorney who is a realistic skeptic about any real change occurring in this country since the political system is completely corrupted and beyond repair. With that said, I am looking for the following from President Obama;
A country where the President and Congress tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. A country where the President and Congress are not in the pocket of the military industrial oil private central banking complex. A country where foreign policy in the Middle East is determined with the best interests of this country and the world as a whole in mind instead of the best interests of the military-industrial oil private central banking complex and Israel to the detriment of the people in this country and the world.
A country where the truth about 9/11 being an inside job is exposed by the President and the guilty parties prosecuted; the truth about the Federal Reserve Bank and its control of the economic policy of this country and the scam that is, the truth about electronic voting machines being used to steal presidential and congressional elections.
A country where President Obama breaks from the tradition of letting the president's predecessor off the hook for Mass Murder, war crimes and treason together with a long list of other felonies. the
I do not expect to receive any real honest, direct response. However, please surprise me and show me that you know what I am referring to in my comments above.
If you need information regarding what I am talking about (which I hope you do not), please go to my website which is www.911inside job.net.

Here's hoping, Joe, Webmaster of 911insidejob.net

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Put aside the sentimental wishful thinking
Posted by: chlamor on Nov 8, 2008 6:32 AM   
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Obama is a right-wing corporatist

Let's not forget Obama's stance is actually quite, what I would call center-right, and Obama hasn't really disagreed with the right-wing on many issues. He supported FISA, Patriot Act, NAFTA, the Wall Street Bailout and he is not standing up for Palestinians. Why have Obama supporters conveniently ignored these pertinent issues? Also, Obama has not been clear about getting out of Iraq, staying out of Iran. What will be the excuse of Obama zombies once he fails to prosecute George W. Bush and his criminal cartel for the numerous crimes committed while in office?

Let's review:

- Pro-Nafta.

- Expand the military by 92,000.

- Escalate in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

- Calls Venezuela a "rogue nation".

- Supports for-profit health "insurance" and calls single-payer "extremist".

- Proposes a Reaganite tax structure, except with over 25% lower taxes on capital gains than Reagan.

- Selects as economic advisers: Rubin, Summers, Goolsbee (Chief Economist for the DLC), Furman, Cutler, Friedman (selected for his "expertise" on Social Security, which includes books and dozens of articles on the "benefits" of privatizing SS), Wolf (Gramm's boss at UBS)...hardcore neolibs all the way, who pushed for repeal of Glass-Steagall and any other laws and regs that inhibited casino capitalism, ultra-leverage, and fictitious capital.

- Maintain 50k-plus "non-combat" troops in Iraq indefinitely for "security", "anti-terrorist", and "training" (Special Forces).

- Supported the extension and expansion of the PATRIOT Act.

- Supported legalizing CheneyBush and telecom crimes, and expanding and extending Carter's secret-evidence, Star Chamber FISA.

- Says he has "absolute belief" in the phony CheneyBush "War on Terror".

- Says Republicans have "good ideas" on regulation and deregulation.

- Pushed for the $700b giveaway to his Wall Street donors.

Calling this pro-war, anti-Bill of Rights, expand-executive-power, neoliberal imperial Wall Street shill "progressive"...amazing.

Of course, the DLC calls its think tank "the Progressive (sic) Policy Institute". I suppose if one thinks the DLC is "progressive", it would be easy to think of this child of the Daley machine as "progressive", too.

Talk about Orwellian...

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This writer can't write.
Posted by: douglashoyt on Nov 8, 2008 7:19 AM   
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How about having writers who write without cliches.

This writer is writes at a 8th grade level.

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» RE: This writer can't write. Posted by: Yesican
» instead of being pedantic.... Posted by: rafaeltoral
Smarter than a fifth grader?
Posted by: frank69 on Nov 8, 2008 8:16 AM   
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As Homer Simpson says: DUH!
Can we wait until President-elect Obama takes office before we condemn him?
I for one would be happy to have a beer with Barack!

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» RE: Smarter than a fifth grader? Posted by: Radicalizer
It wasn't just the youth in the offices
Posted by: pjgills on Nov 8, 2008 8:40 AM   
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A man knocked on my door on Election Day to be sure I had voted and told me this was the first election he had been involved in since JFK and told me "tomorrow is a new day". He was absolutely right. This wasn't just youth turning out to volunteer and vote - this was about everyone. I am so inspired by the young people who did get involved and hope they stay involved. I am inspired by the Internet and its huge impact on this campaign. And I am also well aware of the recent spike in gun sales and the Fox-o-philes who are looking for a new cause now that the hatred has been stirred up in them by McCain/Palin. We need to stay vigilant and aware and on top of our government. It feels so good to call it our government again. I haven't felt this type of emotion since watching the moon landing as a child, but this is different because I participated in this and didn't just watch it. We should all be proud that we have finally reaffirmed the hope and inspiration the world used to feel about our country. Now we need to keep their hope and our hope alive and not let the disenfranchised far right take away what we've started. This is only the beginning of our fight. The backlash of racism and violence may happen, but I sincerely hope that with the majority of people who voted for our President-elect behind this hope, we can stop even that scariness from becoming reality.

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Time will tell
Posted by: driftwolf on Nov 8, 2008 8:51 AM   
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Electing Obama wasn't the end of American quest to put right the last 8 years, it was only the start. Now Obama needs to prove that he is, in fact, different from Bush/Cheney/Rove and not just another corporate puppet.

So far he's said a lot of things, but he is a politician, and therefore cannot be truly trusted. Only action will confirm whether or not he was the right choice. Let's see what he does in the first 6 months of his presidency, then decide if he will, in fact, put right the devastation of the last 8 years and deserves to have everyones hopes pinned on him.

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Mass Hysteria On The Left
Posted by: xallanmillerx on Nov 8, 2008 8:53 AM   
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Obama is recycled Clintonism, which is FAR worse today than it was in the early 1990's. These are the same "bipartisan" people who brought us "free trade"/globalization, financial deregulation, the Iraq Liberation Act, and welfare "reform."

What have these people smoking?

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» RE: Mass Hysteria On The Left Posted by: Radicalizer
This is what is wrong with the country
Posted by: TheLimit on Nov 8, 2008 12:33 PM   
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This piece is a crystal clear illustration of how we have come to this place.

To reduce the last 8 years to the the administration's response to one incident is nonsense.

To refuse to acknowledge that the rot set in 30 years ago is to deny a critical reality.

And to characterize an election as anything other than that - an election, which may or may not *begin* the process of change for the better is nothing more than continuing the mistakes and problems of the past. Are we incapable of learning?

Perhaps the most important change we should be looking for is news which is something more than gossip. Maybe it's time we demand that the media stop publishing its election picks and offering more 'analysis' than news.

Have we forgotten that the press is supposed to be non-partisan? Perhaps our first concern should be a non-partisan news community. That would certainly be a strong indication that real change is in the cards.

If changes like this don't happen, we can look forward to more of the same, regardless of which party is in office at the time. We can be sure, for instance. that whatever Obama does or does not accomplish, that the next administration will be as rabidly right wing and fascist as the last - 8 years, assuming that Obama is all he is cracked up to be *and* that he gets a second term - will not be enough to undo 30 years worth of damage. And those are heavy duty assumptions.

If we want change, we're going to have to pursue it, not only among politicians but also among the businesses which have dug us into this hole, and I suggest that we begin with the press. Until we get news outlets which are non-partisan, intelligent and ethical enough to stop playing the influence game, no changes will be made no matter who is elected.

Good luck.

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Inaugural Poem "We Must Change"
Posted by: thinkverybig on Nov 8, 2008 12:44 PM   
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It is my goal to get in touch with someone from the Obama administration and share with them my desire to be a part of his inauguration by reciting a poem I wrote called “We Must Change,” and I kindly ask for your help in doing so.
Go to youtube and do a search for "thinkverybig" and watch all of those videos. The one called "We Must Change" would be fitting to recite at Obama's Inauguration
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EM58nqX1ehE

Here are the words! http://www.thinkverybig.com/We%20Must%20Change.htm

“Makes Me Wanna Cry” http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bD0iAQN7VPY

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We Won???
Posted by: hilly7 on Nov 8, 2008 5:47 PM   
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What did we win. Both Obama and McCain voted for the bail out. Have you saw where your money went and is still going? It ain't here.

Obama says that he will increase the war in Afganstan. Why? Is the herione slowing down.

Now US auto makers say they need a bail out. So where is that 3 million dollars to build that new plant going to be? Russia. Ford will also need the money since it is losing a lawsuit where they screwed their workers out of overtime. In Russia? Be we get to pay it all. Of course China, Russia, and others are more than willing to LOAN US the money.

Have you seen the people being appointed by Obama? No good people.


I am now convinced that this election should have had a slogan and the most important question. Which flavor do you want your Facist, Chocolate, or Vanilla?

Wake up, it may already be too late....

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Doom and gloom
Posted by: Woodenman on Nov 8, 2008 6:50 PM   
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I can not speak for others here but it would be nice to be able to relax and enjoy this Democratic victory for at least a little while. I have been reading on a daily basis for 8 years now about all the shit and piss the repubs have shoveled our way. It is too soon to get on the doom and gloom bandwagon about Obama. This is a intelligent crowd, you will not get brownie points for pointing out the obvious. I am not disagreeing with your assertions only your timing.

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Liberty and justice (for who?) in America still is a myth
Posted by: masthead on Nov 9, 2008 6:24 AM   
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The Republic was lost officially in 2001 soon after 9/11, when we lost due process of law and the Bill of Rights were shredded. Until we get our Republic back, our wrecked institutions fixed, and the U.S.Constitution is restored, there will be no liberty or justice and no change and no hope in America. We should be happy that Obama won but now comes the hard part, holding a politician accountable for his promises. Oh wait, what promises did Obama actually make? Well he did pledge his allegiance to AIPAC. He did promise to bail out the financial corporations. Darn, off track again, what about his promises to "the people"? Look back over his speeches during the last two years and try to find the bona fide promises. There are none. Nevertheless, I'll give him a pass until I see what he does. I'll wait a month to see if he shuts down Guantanamo, if he doesn't he becomes a criminal like GW Bush. But he did promise to get out of Iraq. No, not actually. He's also going to expand the military budget, he's for the death penalty and a lot of other stuff that sounds just like the other party's talking points. But I better shut up because being politically incorrect now is self-defeating, like our Democratic congress has been for the last eight years.

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How many elections have you watched then?
Posted by: ABetterFuture on Nov 9, 2008 9:41 AM   
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First, I danced around the room, skipping between friends, hooting and ululating. Then, I cried. Judging from the photos of people across the country and the world, my reaction was far from singular.

It was a historic election--historically consistent. The man from one of two parties who spent the most money won the primary and then won the presidency. It's an American tradition.

I'll wait on passing judgement until Mr. Obama accomplishes something with the potential to positively affect this country, with the help of a complicit Congress.

I mean, aside from the bigots who are wrapped up in the "issue" of skin color, what has changed, in the broader sense?

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obama will change nothing.
Posted by: rafaeltoral on Nov 9, 2008 12:22 PM   
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look at the people he is surrounding himself with.

you dont get elected president unless you play ball.

if you do get elected and you dont play ball you get assasinated.

quit fooling yourselves. this is not a democracy. you have NO say.

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Fresh Jimmy
Posted by: Direct Democracy on Nov 9, 2008 4:44 PM   
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A myth restored is still a myth.


FREE AMERICA

REVOLUTIONARY (DIRECT) DEMOCRACY

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Obama = Police State Shill
Posted by: PointMan on Nov 9, 2008 11:08 PM   
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The "story" above is loaded with denial and Mary Sunshine quackery. Putting Obama on a pedestal is nonsense.

At least other sellouts of color in (for example) NeoCon Condi Rice and DC tool Colin Powell don't pretend they are "change" agents.

By the way, naming 9/11 as some basis for any credible argument that involves "victory" for U.S. citizens is a compete CROCK. 9/11 remains a blatant criminal coverup that only a vicious police state could defend.

If Obama is "better" than a toxic BushCo and McCain act, it's at window dressing photo ops.

Obama is for more of the same that includes 2 illegal genocide war zones for Big Oil phony "war on terror" an ongoing FISA spy state and never ending bailouts for Wall Street vampires that brought him to the party.

Only the terminally delusional could take this front man as a "victory" for anyone but the police state criminals he serves.

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» RE: Obama = Police State Shill Posted by: lugoteehalt
Well, is that it then?
Posted by: lugoteehalt on Nov 10, 2008 8:04 AM   
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'If 9/11, 2001, and the seven years following destroyed the myth of America, then in one fell swoop, November 4, 2008 restored it.'

Alright, that's certainly the main propaganda thrust in Britain. Could that be the reason they wanted him elected, or the main reason?

Some people are thick enough to fall for it but, I hope, not the majority.

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9/11 and Barrack Obama, both myths created to destroy the U.S.
Posted by: LeftWright on Nov 10, 2008 1:20 PM   
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by international banking interests and their minions and promoted by the media they own.

Watch as "the chosen one" not only does not restore our civil rights, but actually signs laws further restricting them. Who on "the left" will challenge an "African-American" president who further erodes our civil rights?

The more you research the government myth of 9/11, the more you KNOW it cannot be true.

Wake up, brothers and sisters, Sen. Obama is not going to bring "change we can believe in" but rather change they will deceive with.

The truth shall set us free. Love is the only way forward.

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ATH
Posted by: ATH on Nov 10, 2008 10:39 PM   
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Sadly enough, our country and the world are
run as much by--if not more--international private bankers and corporate CEOs, as it is by
government. Our monetary system enslaves us, because it is a fiat (un-backed by capital, like gold or silver)money system, in complete control of this hybrid entity called the Federal Reserve, which works with the government, but is actually a private central bank, "owned" by its member banks, and its secret, unknown shareholders. It is not audited by the government. Essentially, when the government needs money (which it always does, especially with its Emperial ambitions )
it borrows it from the FED..the FED buys treasury bonds, and in turn "creates" this money basically out of thin air. Eventually, the government has to pay this money back, with a kind of service charge we call interest.
When this new money is created, it is created out of debt, essentially, if it can be considered to be created out of anything.
Only the first person to receive new money
in any significant amount is the only person who gets the full value of that new money.
Once the money enters circulation, it sucks purchasing power away from all the other money, inculding itself, to gain its value, since it had none of its own. When the market realizes there's more money than what the market thought, the purchasing power of our dollar drops--causing the "illusion" that prices have gone up, when it's really that the purchasing power of our dollar went down, because suddenly there was more money--the more you have of something, the less it's worth. Most of us call this inflation. Now, prices on things do fluctuate do to other reasons, but inflation is not the price of goods and values going up, but the purchasing power of our dollar going down. Since the FED was enacted, in 1913, they have devalued our dollar by 96%--which is why those candy bars we
now pay a dollar or more for were only 5 cents back in 1913.
When the FED articially inflates the money supply, they are robbing you. Inflation is like a hidden tax, or like someone was directly taking money from our wallets.
Soon, unless we change our monetary policy, the dollar will reach complete de-valuation. This is happening all over the world.
Many of these bankers, especially those in the inner circle of the C.F.R. want World Government--that's their goal, with, as David Rockefeller said, "[a] supra-natiional sovereignty of intellectual elites and world bankers surely preferable to the national auto-determinaion practiced in past generations..."
--David Rockefeller, C.F.R. June 1991.
That is part of a speech where he thanks the directors, who he says have attended their meetings, of the Washington Post, The New York Times, Time Magazine, "and other fine publications..for their dicretion...It would have been impossible for us to establish our plan for the World if we had been subjected to the lights of publicity during those years."
Yeah, thanks a lot, media.
We'll see how quickly you are cast aside once things get ugly and America either fights to overcome and become great again, or tears completely off the remanants of our democratic republic under the strain of these bankers and elitists and we become the next Nazi Germany, except on a World Scale. Either way, the media who were supposed to keep America informed will pay for their betrayal.

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