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Is Obama Screwing His Base with Rahm Emanuel Selection?

Obama has asked conservative Clinton vet Rahm Emanuel to be his chief of staff -- it's not a good sign for progressives.
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I had really wanted to celebrate Barack Obama's remarkable victory for a day or so before becoming cynical again. I really did.

And yet, less than 24 hours after the first polls closed, the president-elect chose as his chief of staff -- perhaps the most powerful single position in any administration -- Rahm Emanuel, one of the most conservative Democratic members of Congress.

The chief of staff essentially acts as the president's gatekeeper, determining with whom he has access for advice and analysis. Obama is known as a good listener who has been open to hearing from and considering the perspectives of those on the Left as well as those with a more centrist to conservative perspective. How much access he will actually have as president to more progressive voices, however, is now seriously in question.

Illinois Congressman Rahm Emanuel is a member of the so-called New Democrat Coalition (NDC), of group of center-right pro-business Congressional Democrats affiliated with the Democratic Leadership Conference, which is dedicated to moving the Democratic Party away from its more liberal and progressive base. Numbering only 58 members out of 236 Democrats in the current House of Representatives, the NDC has worked closely with its Republican colleagues in pushing through and passing such legislation as those providing President Bush with "fast-track" trade authority in order to bypass efforts by labor, environmentalists and other public interest groups to promote fairer trade policy.

Emanuel began his political career as a senior adviser and chief fundraiser for the successful 1989 Chicago mayoral campaign of Richard M. Daley to seize back City Hall from reformists who had challenged the corrupt political machine of this father, Richard J. Daley. Emanuel later became a senior adviser to Bill Clinton at the White House from 1993 to 1998, serving as Assistant to the President for Political Affairs and then Senior Advisor to the President for Policy and Strategy, and was credited with playing a major role in shifting the Clinton administration's foreign and domestic policy agenda to the right. Emanuel was the single most important official involved in pushing through the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), the bill ending Aid for Families with Dependent Children (AFDC), and Clinton's draconian crime bill, among other legislation.

Leaving the administration in 1998, Emanuel worked as an investment banker in Chicago, where he amassed an $18 million fortune in less than three years prior to being elected to Congress.

As head of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee since 2004, Emanuel has promoted pro-war and pro-business center-right candidates against anti-war and pro-labor candidates in the primaries, pouring millions of dollars of donations from Democrats across the country into the campaigns of his favored conservative minions to defeat more progressive challengers.

Emanuel was a major supporter of the Iraq War resolution that authorized the invasion of Iraq. Indeed, he was the only one of nine Democratic members of Congress from Illinois who backed granting Bush this unprecedented authority to invade a country on the far side of the world that was no threat to the United States at the time. Even more disturbingly, when asked by Tim Russert on "Meet the Press" whether he would have voted to authorize the invasion "knowing that there are no weapons of mass destruction," Emanuel answered that he indeed would have done so, effectively acknowledging that his support for the war was not about national security, but about oil and empire. Not surprisingly, he has also voted with the Republicans in support of unconditional funding to continue the Iraq War and has consistently opposed efforts by other Democrats to set a timetable for the withdrawal of U.S. occupation forces from that country and related Congressional efforts to end the war.

At a time of record budget deficits, Emanuel has been a passionate supporter of increased spending for the Pentagon and has resisted efforts by fellow Democrats to trim excesses in the Bush administration's bloated military budget. For example, he has repeatedly voted against amendments to cut funding for Bush's dangerously destabilizing missile defense and even voted against an amendment to identify unnecessary Pentagon spending by examining the need, relevance and cost of Cold War weapons systems designed to fight the former Soviet Union.

A major hawk regarding Iran, Emanuel has also voted against Democratic efforts to prevent the Bush administration from launching military action against that country and has joined the administration in exaggerated claims about Iran's alleged nuclear threat. He is not opposed to nuclear proliferation if it involves U.S. allies, however. Emanuel has consistently voted against a series of Democratic amendments that would have strengthened safeguards in the Bush administration's nuclear cooperation agreement with India to prevent U.S. assistance from supporting India's nuclear weapons program.

Emanuel is also a prominent hawk regarding Israel, attacking the Bush administration from the right for criticizing Israel's assassination policies and other human rights abuses. He was also a prominent supporter of Israel's 2006 attacks on Lebanon, even challenging the credibility of Amnesty International and other human rights groups that reported Israeli violations of international humanitarian law. Emanuel's father had emigrated from Israel in the 1950s, where he had been a member of the terrorist group Irgun, which had been responsible for a series of terrorist attacks against Palestinian and British civilians in mandatory Palestine during the 1940s. Emanuel himself served in a civilian capacity as a volunteer for the Israeli army in the early 1990s.

It is unclear how serious of a blow Obama's selection of Emanuel is to those who hoped that Obama might actually steer the country in a more progressive direction. It's easy to see it as nothing less than a slap in the face of the progressive anti-war elements of the party to whom Obama owes his election, particularly following his selection of Sen. Joe Biden as vice president. (See my articles "Biden's Foreign Policy 'Experience'" and "Biden, Iraq, and Obama's Betrayal.")

However, this does not necessarily mean that Obama as president will pursue nothing better than a Clintonesque center-right agenda. Someone with Obama's intelligence, knowledge and leadership qualities need not be unduly restricted by the influence of his chief of staff as less able presidents have. At the same time, this shocking appointment of Emanuel is illustrative of the need for the progressive base that brought him to power to not celebrate too long and to refocus our energies into pushing hard to ensure that the change Obama promised is something we really can believe in.

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Stephen Zunes is a professor of politics and chair of Middle Eastern Studies at the University of San Francisco and serves as a senior policy analyst for Foreign Policy in Focus.
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"Say it ain't so, Joe"
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Posted by: nochicagoboys on Nov 7, 2008 12:34 AM   
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This is a reality-check by Professor Zunes. Along with everyone else, I allowed myself a day, or two, of unbridled exuberance the day after Obama's historic election. Now, it's time to get down to business and call the new president-elect down on his staff and cabinet selections.

It appears he's retreating toward a government with a distinctive Clinton flavor; one that favors a centrist, or even possibly a "conservative-lite" foundation. I hope he's not falling into line with the corporatist opportunists and the bailout profiteers.

Just as he "appears" to be retreating, I am also. Cynicism can be a damning reaction, but it's the only thing that allows one to really have a clear mind. As Rachel Maddow mentioned last night, the Champaign bottles are empty and already in the blue recycle bin.

I hope I'm wrong, but I'm starting to feel one of those "here we go again" moments.

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I'd disagree with the author's definition of "progressive".
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Posted by: gunboat diplomat on Nov 7, 2008 12:37 AM   
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The areas where there is real need for progressive strategies include energy, water, agriculture and industry.

Rahm Emanuel has a very good record on environmental and energy issues: Rahm Emanuel on Energy & Oil

Yes, he is Jewish. There is also a Muslim member of Congress, right? Keith Ellison. Virginia Republican Goode wrote a letter claiming that Ellison should not be allowed to touch a Quran while being sworn in.

Here's a good quote from CNN on that:

"Rep. Rahm Emanuel, an Illinois Democrat who is Jewish, said Thursday that he hoped Goode would meet with Ellison. Emanuel said he would "see what I saw: a good American with good values of a different faith who's trying to do right by the people he represents."

Look! A Jewish Arab-lover - isn't that progressive enough for you? (well, actually Ellison is not Arabic, and he converted to Islam in college). So, he is fair enough - although we can think of many questions that Emanuel will not want to talk about, such as "how about a open and honest discussion about Israel's nuclear weapons program?"

Anyway, what did you expect, a shining knight on a white horse? Our political system has been under the more-or-less absolute control of giant corporate interests for the past eight years - that's what needs to end first. To do that you need someone willing to tackle tough issues, which Emanuel is.

Plus, here's a great video of Emanuel moving to strip funding from Cheney after he declared the VP to be a fourth branch of government:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1U025hVMeY

Seems like a good choice to me, especially after the nasty anti-partisan attacks put out by the Republicans over the past few weeks. More to the point, he has promoted a very good energy policy - and that's what matters most.

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No he is not!
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Posted by: onewriter on Nov 7, 2008 12:49 AM   
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No, Obama is not screwing his base by making Rahm Emanuel chief of staff. All observers including those most inside find Obama has the strength, wisdom and confidence to listen to any view, including John McCain's in the debates, know his own mind and make his own choices. Obama thinks things through and has enormous brain power to do so. He possesses strong, liberal, democratic principles -- strengthened by his experience living and working among the poor and as a constitutional law professor, and tempered with enormous pragmatism. Did he sell out his base and principles by refusing public financing? No! He build a model campaign for the 21st century that defeated the Republicans in a landslide. To the benefit of his base and the entire Democratic party, he raised the game, forever.

Rahm Emanuel argued fiercely against Howard Dean's fifty state strategy. Dean was politically and strategically right and Emanuel was dead wrong. Obama agreed with Dean, ran his entire campaign contrary to Emanuel's strategy, and slam-dunk won. So O will have no problem saying "Rahm I understand your argument, but I don't agree (and now you can shut the hell up and get what I want done)." And getting done what Obama wants is the job of the chief of staff.

Obama is very cool and very smart, but he is not soft, weak, timid or unforceful. Indeed, Obama is audacious, as his book title and campaign reveal. But a new, cool kind of audacious. In bringing in Emanuel he has shown everyone (including the Clinton's) that he will run his own shop and has the steel to do it. And after being absolutely wrong about the fifty state strategy, Rahm Emanuel will now spend years doing anything and everything that Obama wants. Yes he will!

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Buchanan is right
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Posted by: compu on Nov 7, 2008 12:56 AM   
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I hate agree with Pat.
First thing Obama does,hiring another version
of neocons.
Will be interesting to see who remains at the
state dpt and pentagon.
Its for sure the influence of what Buchanan
calls the likudists,dual loyalists,will be the same as the Bush adm.
That means war with Iran
rather soon.

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More Details About Emanuels's Past Activities
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Posted by: bcgirl125 on Nov 7, 2008 1:21 AM   
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Great article by Joe Walsh from Counterpunch about how this individual single-handedly got rid of the anti-war candidates on the Dem slate:

http://www.counterpunch.org/walsh10142006.html

Also an article by Chris Bollyn about Emanuel's dual (at best!) loyalty :

http://www.bollyn.info/home/articles/polphil
/rahm-emanuel-and-barack-obama/


Emanuel is a treasonous piece of work who should be given a one-way ticket back to Israel. He has no place as an advisor to anyone who really intends to bring "Change" to the White House. Between Emanuel and Brezinski (another gem of an Obama mentor), it looks like it's going to be business as usual, despite the slogan.

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Something to ask yourself......
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Posted by: vot on Nov 7, 2008 1:41 AM   
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Quite obviously a very disturbing Revelation...
" A major hawk regarding Iran, Emanuel has also voted against Democratic efforts ",etc.....
frankly something that should not come as a total surprise realizing how Jewish/Israeli Interests have always been "total priorities, with little or no objections,from the highest Levels for too many years".
Unfortunately,especially the last 8 years!

Equally disturbing and irritating to read....
" Emanuel is also a prominent hawk regarding Israel, attacking the Bush administration from the right for criticizing Israel's assassination policies and other human rights abuses ".
It should go without saying,if that " Mind-set"
of this person will prevail in the new Obama
Administration and the present Middle East Policies are going to continue unchanged "then the Election of Barack Obama has come for the majority of people,who have given their Hope and Soul during this recent Election,a total Disaster and waste of their tireless efforts ", " a chilling Cry for some badly Change we need for this Country " ...beginning with Palestine!

So,let us begin with what John F.Kennedy surely would have said today,when asked of yourself:
Don`t ask what you can do for Israel,ask Israel
what it can do for you ......for this Country !
Nothing is more insulting than a Neighbor,speak Country,that always has taken,and taken ....but
never ever has given anything at all ..now that
is not what I call a " Friend of mine ".

This Issue must have Priority One by the Obama Administration and must be resolved with or without the willingness and cooperation of Israel.

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HanaB
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Posted by: HanaB on Nov 7, 2008 2:07 AM   
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Emanuel is not the President, Obama is. Obama has already affirmed his commitment to diplomacy and peace in the Middle East. You cannot expect him to agree with Emanuel on every issue.

By choosing Emanuel as Chief of Staff, Barack commands full loyalty from the man, already a long-term friend he knows he can trust and work with. (Besides, one mis-step and Emanuel can be fired.)

Emanuel is an influential figure in Congress. Bringing him in as C of S actually works to neutralize Emanuel's possibly problemtic opposition to some of Barack's future initiatives.

Emanuel is a hardnosed action man who will stand up both to Republican opposition and to Democrats who try to overreach by pushing a radical left-wing agenda that would quickly undermine Obama's credibility as a unifier. Contrary to some accusations, he has a solid record of bipartisanship.

Also, Emanuel is very strong on environmental and on energy policy -- two of our most pressing issues.

With one masterful stroke, Obama has put to rest all the lingering whispers of his secret radical Islamic leanings/liasons. He sends a clear signal to Israel that he is not just a Palestinian apologist but, rather, intends to *mediate*, to Islamic extremists that he will not be a pushover, and he can still fulfill his promise to engage in diplomatic negotations with Iran, etc.

Reaching across the aisle can happen on many dimensions, not just in Congress.

I think Rahm is a *brilliant* choice!

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Welcome to Israel
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Posted by: weathered on Nov 7, 2008 2:54 AM   
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a political state by day, a religious state for tax purposes, an extradition-free refuge for its citizens who commit crimes elsewhere, but always, the exhausting, manipulating and misunderstood victim that demands to treated as the exception and always at the expense of others.

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Arab floor-cleaners
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Posted by: perryp on Nov 7, 2008 3:19 AM   
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Rahm's father has some interesting views: "Obviously he will influence the president to be pro-Israel...Why wouldn't he be? What is he, an Arab? He's not going to clean the floors of the White House."
from: jpost article

In other words, Arabs are only fit to clean floors. Let's see the quote again with one word changed: "Obviously he will influence the president to be pro-Israel...Why wouldn't he be? What is he, a nigger? He's not going to clean the floors of the White House."

Rahm Emamuel decided to fight for Israel rather than the US during the first Gulf War.

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X pat observer
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Posted by: davy on Nov 7, 2008 3:25 AM   
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As long as Obama remains his own man all will be well. Sometimes I get tired of Alternet you always seem to find the darker slant. lets give the man a chance, before "WE" start to predict doom.

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Give the guy a break and don't jump to conclusions!
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Posted by: Mary Price on Nov 7, 2008 3:27 AM   
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The Chief of Staff is an ADMINISTRATIVE position, and by all accounts, Rahm E. is good at that. Discipline is important for a president's office. Obama has enough wisdom and judgment to be able to make decisions for himself. Give him a break and a chance before you start killing him with negativity before he's even inaugurated! Would you prefer John McCain???

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Disappointment is inevitable...
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Posted by: Martin32 on Nov 7, 2008 3:44 AM   
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...when people insist on painting on to Obama their own values and hopes. He is a moderate, not a radical left-winger. He has made no secret of the fact that he believes in bipartisan politics and he was never the unquestioning antiwar candidate that a good chunk of posters here believe he should be. He will be his own man and no one who voted for him will agree with everything he does. However, give him a chance and I think we will find that everyone who voted for him will agree with most of what he does.

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Bright Side-He is Not a Dual Israeli Citizen
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Posted by: 911FalseFlag on Nov 7, 2008 3:45 AM   
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Of course, not having four more years of John (George Bush) McCain is a very good result. The fact that the neocons could not or did not hack the election is also very good news.

With that said, I do not consider myself to be cynical but only a realistic skeptic. If I know that:
1. there are gaping holes in the 9/11 official conspiracy theory and if anyone looked at, not only what happened on that day, but the political landscape leading up to that day, they would know that 9/11 was an inside job,
2. the only way to be sure that our votes are counted as they are cast is by using a paper ballot and at the current electronic voting machines are completely hackable and the transmission of the vote count from each precinct to the central tabulator is completely hackable,
4. the last two presidential elections was stolen by a voter suppression and computer fraud,
5. the Federal Reserve Bank is a private cartel of banks that operate as any other corporation with a profit motive, that every dollar that they print is lent to this government and in return the Federal Reserve Bank receives a US treasury bond which is a debt owed to the Federal Reserve Bank,
6. that George Bush and his administration intentionally lied to the Congress and the people of this country in order to attack Iraq to control its oil and the oil supply in the Middle East by US military continued presence,

Then the U.S. Congress knows this or is turning its back on this because at this point they are almost all complicit with the Bush administration and its agenda. It is my opinion that "the powers that be" are not the President and the U.S. Congress but the Secret Government talked about by Bill Moyers in his 1987 documentary that was aired on PBS. You can watch this video on the homepage of my website. This Secret Government is in bed with the military-industrial oil private central banking complex.

This Bush administration appointed many members of this Secret Government to positions of power. This Secret Government has grown, in conjunction with the military-industrial oil Central banking complex, since the creation of the CIA in the 1940s. This Secret Government planned and orchestrated 9/11 and the rest of the fascist takeover, under the cover of fear of terrorists, is there to be seen if anyone is willing to look at it.

The "powers that be" will never let the truth be told about 9/11, the Federal Reserve Bank, the stealing of elections by computer fraud end the lies told by the Bush administration to attack Afghanistan and Iraq.

History supports my contention. The truth has never been disseminated by the "powers that be", which now includes the mainstream media, about the Gulf of Tonkin lie to compel the US to attack Vietnam, FDR allowing Pearl Harbor to occur so the US would enter World War II, the CIA's overthrow and/or political assassination of any countries leader who would not succumb to the takeover of that country's resources by multinational corporations with the assistance of the World Bank and the international monetary fund, George HW Bush's lies to start the first Gulf War, George HW Bush's involvement in the Iran Contra affair, the assassinations JFK.RFK and King, the political assassinations of Clinton (although he is part of the "powers that be")Eliot Spitzer, Gary Hart and Ross Perot.

Obama will not promote any criminal prosecution of Bush. Just like Nixon and George H.W. Bush were let off the hook by their successors, Obama will do the same. Obama has said many things that clearly indicate that he believes in the validity of the war against terror.

I do not believe any significant changes will be made by Obama. Real change can only occur if it is not based and built upon lies that have never been officially admitted to.

www.911insidejob.net
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Put an end to "the base"
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Posted by: JoshColwell on Nov 7, 2008 4:08 AM   
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A central theme of Obama's message of "change" was to end the politics of division. That means being inclusive, pragmatic, and putting an end to catering to one's "base". Look where that got the Republicans with pandering to their right-wing evangelicals. I am probably ideologically far more liberal that Obama, but I want him to succeed, and that's not going to be possible if he follows the Bush model and ignores the (slightly less than) half of the country that didn't vote for him.

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It's a good move
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Posted by: pjgills on Nov 7, 2008 4:37 AM   
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If Emanuel was a concern while in Congress, then it's good he's not in Congress right? This is a good decision. It quiets the pro-Israel part of his base which is extremely important. It's a good move to have someone who knows their way around DC because let's face it, the political machinations of that town aren't going to change just because we want them to. I hope he continues to put people around him that are not part of his so-called base. We're all his base - he obviously wants to include all of America rather than just us liberals. It's ok. It's good to have people around him who will disagree and I have faith in Obama to stay true to his policies already expressed. He's not going to please everyone but instead will do what's best for the entire country, which is quite the change from the past 8 years of pleasing the rich and powerful only.

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The day the music ... went sour
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Posted by: BST on Nov 7, 2008 4:42 AM   
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It's almost amusing to now see AlterNet, which pushed its ultra-liberal agenda to the nth degree throughout the campaign to the exclusion of any other ideas, start the Monday-morning quarterbacking.

Many will see Obama's appointments as surprise and disappointment; the rest of us who were not so starry-eyed about "Change" know the truth about politics. It's usually a retread in some form or another after the music ebbs.

Welcome to the real world, folks.

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Could we give this rune-reading a rest till after the inauguration?
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Posted by: hagwind on Nov 7, 2008 4:53 AM   
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I've worked with some pretty unlikely groups and teams over the years. A good team both draws on and transcends the personalities and priorities of its members. Its ability to do this depends a lot on its leadership -- and I don't mean just the person with the top title.

You pundits don't know how things are going to develop. You don't know what Obama wants from Emanuel or what Emanuel thinks he can bring to the team. The chief of staff doesn't necessarily determine policy, and if I wanted someone to organize a complex operation, I wouldn't necessarily pick the person with the most progressive credentials.

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Posted by: Poet1 on Nov 7, 2008 4:54 AM   
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Please--the last thing we on the left need is to attack Obama before he even takes office. Will every action he takes meet our approval? Of course not. If we insist on purity, though (our version of purity), we will be following Nader's lead--and we all should remember where that took us.

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Getting the job done!
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Posted by: christopher13b on Nov 7, 2008 5:23 AM   
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Rahm Emanuel will be able to get the job done from day one. Progressives and Dems that want President Obama to push the issues should recognize that a member of congress that was on the fast-track to Speaker of the House has the connections and political know-how to get an agenda acted upon. He has the ability to work with the regressives and repubs in congress too and that will have to happen to get any ambitious work done. Plus, it seems smart to me to use the experience from the only living two-term President from your party to learn what to do and not do right from the start like Obama has done in using Clinton people on his transition team. Everyone on Alternet needs to take a chill pill and put it together that we now have an intelligent President that is not swayed by associations.

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A World of "Angles, not Angels"
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Posted by: profco on Nov 7, 2008 5:41 AM   
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First, I respectfully disagree with Zunes with regard to Obama's debt to the "progressive base that brought him to power." If Obama had been dependent upon the strength of the "progressive base" to get him where he is today, he would have made it as far as Dennis Kucinich. How far was that "progressive base" able to take him, in terms of being in a position to make things happen? Let's get real, please.

Second, I highly recommend that anyone who questions why Obama would choose Emanuel as CoS have a look at the website of the very small but vicious and vocal Republican Jewish Coalition. Although nearly 80% of Jews voted for Obama and RJC has NO MANDATE from American Jews to speak for them, RJC has no intention of retrenching, even after the election. They are cued to start shrieking the moment Obama opens his mouth. They also have close contacts within the most right-wing elements within the Israeli government--so much so that Israeli Army radio (considered a bastion of non-partisan objective reporting) was broadcasting false news stories before the election that had been planted by anti-Obama operatives.

Who do you think is going to shut them up, Rashid Khalidi? It takes someone on the AIPAC inside, like Rahm Emanuel, to defang these vipers. As Saul Alinsky' fourth rule put it so eloquently, "Make the opposition play by its own rules." Emanuel knows those rules inside out, how to make the opposition play by them, and how to keep the "pro-Israel" lobby from getting in Obama's way at every turn.

While Emanuel's father was indeed an Irgun fighter during Israel's War of Independence, so was Uri Avnery. Today you can't find a more scathing, outspoken and progressive critic of Israeli policies than Avnery. Yes, Emanuel was a volunteer who provided support services to the Israeli Army during the First Gulf War. Saddam was launching Scuds at Israel. (Are progressives now expected to have been on the side of Saddam Hussein in 1991?) Two years later, Emanuel also choreographed the handshake between Arafat and Yitzchak Rabin on the White House lawn.

Again, let's get real. Obama isn't going to be able to get anything accomplished without key players like Rahm Emanuel. Get used to it.

Third, Obama is a pragmatist as well as a progresive. Pragmatists have to compromise ideological purity in exchange for the power to effect real change. Alinsky's Rules for Radicals was written for Have-nots, explaining how they can take power from the Haves. Obama took Alinsky's primer on organization and coalition building farther, wider and higher than Alinsky could have ever imagined. I am sure Alinsky (who I had the privilege of knowing personally) would have both stunned and gratified.

Now it's up to Obama to show how Have-nots turned Haves can responsibly and EFFECTIVELY exercise power when they get it. As Alinsky wrote, we live in a world "of angles, not angels...this is where you start." Obama knows all too well that he is neither a magician or a messiah; he doesn't pretend to be either. At a time of unprecented economic and political turmoil, he is going to have to solve problems the hard way, bringing on board the tough tacticians and shrewd strategists to make it happen.

Let's not create a dissatisfied "loony left" that mirrors and echoes the worst "recalcitrant right" in chicken little-ism, clamoring "No, he can't" two months before inauguration day.

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Posted by: scohol on Nov 7, 2008 5:41 AM   
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Whether progressive, liberal, or whatever, we finally have change in the White House. The last thing we want to do is feed into the right-wing conservative base and give them the chance to say "We told you so!" Change cannot happen over night, and change cannot happen if we take the same extreme measures that the Republicans did, it will play into their hands as soon as Obama makes a mistake, and you know he will....politics is messy and stuff. happens. The Obama adminsitration needs people who can make things happen, and help ensure a degree of success, otherwise in two years their will be a Republican upswing in the House and once again we will be mired in partisan fighting and a 'do nothing' government. Emmanuel knows how to get things done, and he can he can instil the disciplen that Obama needs in running thw HWite House and the ADminsitration, it's that same discipline that won him the election. If everyone tries ot 'call in their favors', none will get anything and the country loses, again!

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Progressive lite
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Posted by: solrev on Nov 7, 2008 6:00 AM   
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Some of you progressives need to lighten up; you have about as much of a chance of becoming masters of the universe as the Christian right did. We the people did not elect Obama to be progressive we the people elected him to be president. We the progressives did not elect Obama. Emanuel is a great choice he knows how to get things done. Obama is to smart to surround himself with a bunch of little Obama’s. When Obama tells Emanuel to do something, and Emanuel says there are to many people that think this, so we can not do that. Obama will say okay then will do this and make them think that. We are a nation of people, not a nation of laws or labels. Give Obama a chance to institute a government that will secure the entitlements of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. If he fails, then throw the bum out. Personally, I doubt that we will have good government in this country, until the young people who voted for Obama are we the people. When their kids and grandkids elect a president they will institute the government that we just dream of. It takes three generations to change one to think it, one to learn it, and one to live it. All we need to do today is to not kill them before they get started. I fought in the civil rights movement and I did not pass on the racism I was taught, and my grandkids voted for Obama. That’s life.

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"Obama Screwing His Base with Rahm Emanuel Selection"
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Posted by: xvictor on Nov 7, 2008 6:02 AM   
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Emanuel's father was a member of the Israeli terrorist organization, the Irgun, that murdered many innocent Arabs as well as British soldiers. This appointment confirms a business-as-usual approach favorable to Zionist interests, and he had said so as much.

I would feel a bit better if Emanuel swore an allegiance to the United States, just to be on the safe side.

Anyway, so much for "change".

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Bilderberg, bilderberg, bilderberg.
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Posted by: Jeff Greef on Nov 7, 2008 6:07 AM   
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Bilderberg, bilderberg, bilderberg, bilderberg, bilderberg, bilderberg, bilderberg, bilderberg, bilderberg, bilderberg, bilderberg, bilderberg, bilderberg, bilderberg, bilderberg, bilderberg, bilderberg, bilderberg, bilderberg, bilderberg, bilderberg, bilderberg, bilderberg, bilderberg, bilderberg, bilderberg, bilderberg.

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LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL
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Posted by: gellero1 on Nov 7, 2008 6:08 AM   
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"Plus ca change, plus la meme chose"..........

Rep. Rhambo is 'ne plus ultra' of a Washington/Corporate insider and fixer...........the Democratic Party's version of a Rumsfield/Cheney.

He was on the board of directors of FreddieMac/ FannieMae and did his best to make sure he and his corrupt CORPORATE cronies made MILLIONS.

Yo Mamma's administration is just about who controls and loots the Treasury.

'Change we can believe in'...............as if !!

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Ethnic Surge
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Posted by: Grousefeather on Nov 7, 2008 6:22 AM   
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I wonder why the people being named to the Obama administration are nearly all Jewish?
Supposing he picked only Afican American people, or only Catholics?

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Too much rapture
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Posted by: daw13 on Nov 7, 2008 6:45 AM   
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I'm criticized for not being euphoric enough about Obama's election. It's not Obama I worry about. It's the public's eagerness to feel good and then turn to other matters. Some say we need inspiration and a moment of rapture. I wish I trusted this perspective more. I apologize for bringing people down if this is what I'm doing. I don't apologize for insisting that now, immediately, is the time to create enormous pressure on Obama, in his role as leader of the Democratic Party to begin it's reconstruction. There really is not a moment to lose.

Rahm's appointment indicates that rather than dedicating himself to finally building in this nation a true people's party, this new president, like his predecessors, may be committed to exactly the opposite. In this regard, comparing him with FDR makes perfect sense. On the other hand, he may wish to be truly different, but needs a strong public to insist and support him in deviating from the DLC and DCC. This is the time not for rapturing, but for rupturing old models and demanding a new one.

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If he could do it as senator, what's to stop him continuing to do so as president?
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Posted by: maxpayne on Nov 7, 2008 6:59 AM   
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And as long as we ignore local elections, exploit each other on Main Street and allow Wall $treet to fuck and rape Main Street, and allow the system to screw us every time, who are we to stop Obama at this point? We'll see how he actually governs once he's in.

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Tsk Tsk , Barak. You are two steps away from a call for impeachment already.
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Posted by: Nightstallion on Nov 7, 2008 7:05 AM   
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Step 1) setting this guy up in a post to study Afghanistan militairily.

Step 2) Preparing for a military move on Afghanistan boarders.

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my comment yesterday, "Change is DOA", wasn't premature after all
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Posted by: PakiBoy on Nov 7, 2008 7:12 AM   
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Rahm Emanuel, represents the neoliberal ideology, the mirror image of neocons.

VP Joe "screw-the-working-class" Biden was the architect of the Bankruptcy "Reform" bill, a complete give away to the credit card industry.

And now, Rahm Emanuel?

Clinton gave us NAFTA and globalization. His cabinent secretary Robert Rubin is as much responsible for the deregulation regime (see dismantling of Glass-Steagall Act 1999), as Phil Graham et al.

Change is Orwellian for more of the same...

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No Lipstick needed for this Pitbull
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Posted by: Purple Girl on Nov 7, 2008 7:20 AM   
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The Chief of Staff is the GateKeeper to the Pres time ....so I have confidence this 'bare knuckled, 'sleeps with the Fish' Enforcer will be able to keep the WHORES wishing to sell their 'wares' out of the Oval Office.
We need someone who will tell these assholes to go fuck themselves- not with a smile, but with a 'Teeth Bared' warning.

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Please!
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Posted by: demetria on Nov 7, 2008 7:33 AM   
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"Progressives" are not "responsible" for getting Obama in as president. Give it a rest, we are not that important. And as far as Rahm goes, remember, it gets him out of Congress and he can't vote anymore. Obama is still the Pres. and will have last say. Sure, this guy is tough and I don't like a lot of what I read about him, but right now this is what this country needs, not the "soft" progressive moments.

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Emanuel was chosen for all the wrong reasons
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Posted by: kmarx on Nov 7, 2008 7:40 AM   
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Emanuel, like Lieberman, wants wars in the Middle East that weaken the states around Israel. Both Emanuel and Lieberman serve the best interests of Israel while putting this nation second.

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Give it time
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Posted by: justcherie on Nov 7, 2008 7:41 AM   
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The way I see it, the Righties are upset by this appointment, so it makes me cautiously optimistic. And if President Obama is going to have to deal with Arkansas Project-like smears, who better to help deal with them than someone with personal experience from the first time? Does anyone here doubt that the Neocons aren't planning to try to treat Barack Obama the way they did the Clintons?

And if I understand the job of COS, his job is to follow orders, not to make policy. Rep Emanuel will be out of the House and out of the running for Obama's Senatorial seat in a position where his talents can be useful. I saw a piece on BuzzFlash this morning that kind of summed up what I've been feeling:

Rahm Emanuel: You Can't Take a Knife to a Gun Fight.

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The morning after
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Posted by: QCao009 on Nov 7, 2008 7:47 AM   
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Professor Zunes' data are legitimate, his logic and conclusions faulty and inconsequential. The world is not going to accept us back just like that with open arms after eight years of chest-beating and unilateralism. It is going to take a number of conciliatory gestures in the political arena, in military concessions and in trade for us to return to the Clinton years. Can it be done? Yes. Can Obama do it? The jury is still out. There are some facts however which should keep us hopeful.

1. He shows a degree of thoughtfulness and calm deliberateness. Emmanuel is the most logical choice given his inner circle, even if he's a hawk. Building on the lessons of Clinton and Reagan and the failures of both Bushes, it is logical he would want a DC insider as his Chief of Staff with connections to Wall street with a strong communicative skillset, and he cannot do better than Rahm unless he has Jim Baker, an older and more experienced machiavellan.

2. The notion of a base is what continues to divide the country. Bi-partisanship lip service aside, it is a good idea to look at this election, and realize how much rancor and culture war are still in our political reservoir after the Reagan/Bush years. For Obama to be truly transformational, he has to transform those who did not vote for him, not just those who did. It would be stupid for him to think like Bush and talk about political capital. It is going to be a process, and he's not going to get there just based on those who are euphoric about electing the first African American President. Image wise, it means a lot. Substance wise, it means absolutely nothing.

Finally, just this one thought. Coming from Vietnam, I am an avid observer of American democracy and how it works. I also spend much of my time as a community activist with refugee and immigrant groups, and the acquisition of democratic processes is painfully slow not just for our communities, but now for American institutions as well. Whether he means it or not, Senator McCain's speech could not have been made with such grace in the context of another political system.

So we Americans have a choice: we can continue to talk about unity and act divisively, or we can begin to look at the false political correctness of the last 25 years, rise above the shock jock talk radio brouhaha, and begin to mend our country beyond race, beyond gender, beyond age.

It is our country, not just the President's. It is sad that Barrack Obama can now know what to expect from his ennemies, and not from friends like Professor Zunes, if this is how we progressives are going to act.

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This ain't tiddly-winks
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Posted by: jebpgh on Nov 7, 2008 8:05 AM   
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Does anyone posting on this site have even a clue what the White House Chief of Staff does? Does anyone posting have a clue what the challenges are for President Obama when he starts to move on his broad legislative agenda - even with a Democratic-controlled Congress? The last Democratic administration was derailed within weeks of taking office around their response to a special interest group - Gay rights in the military and in their poorly thought-out attack on universal health care. Care to repeat this experience and destroy our ability to move across the board on a wide array of critical, planet threatening issues folks?

I am getting tired of listening to stories of the new Lincoln Brigaders - we lost all the battles but we had the best songs. Emanuel is a tough as nails, Congressional insider who will be whipping the Dems in Congress on behalf of the President. If you think that can be done better by someone else - nominate him or her. David Axelrod was the brains behind a two year campaign to capture the hearts and minds of a nation. I've been on both sides with David - and each time he kicked the other guys into history. First with Harold Washington and then with Rich Daley. Rich Daley has turned out to be the best choice for Chicago. All of our progressive ideals would have been snuffed out in an antagonistic city council war.

In politics, winning matters. If you don't win, you don't get to carry out your agenda. BUT, politics is also the art of compromise. Emanuel and Axelrod understand both of those concepts better than most in the Democratic Party.

Obama is not the messiah, folks. He is our shot to do it right. That requires that the grassroots movement that sustained him into the White House and Democrats into Congress holds together and takes advantage of the open door. We have a chance here, don't blow it because you didn't get handed the keys to the car when you don't know how to drive it.

We can fight with this White House - and we should. We can support it and we can compromise when it makes sense. Life is a negotiation - Alinsky taught this more than any other lesson - the people are still where it all rests no matter who is in government.

Now get moving!

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Why Emmanuel makes sense for CoS
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Posted by: left-leaning-libertarian on Nov 7, 2008 8:16 AM   
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Why did the Carter and (to a lesser extent) Clinton administrations fail?

You can come into office with all the high ideals, soaring rhetoric and good intentions in the world; BUT IF YOU DON'T KNOW HOW TO WORK THE LEVERS OF GOVERNMENT, YOU'RE SCREWED! If you don't know how to operate the system, nothing will change. You need POLITICAL ACUMEN in order to get an agenda through Congress (Carter and Clinton both had good-sized Democratic majorities, but still failed).

As much as I despise Emmanuel for his DLC-a**-kissing ideology, I recognize that he's a guy who knows how to work the system and get results. That's the kind of guy Obama needs as CoS, which is much less a position about ideology than it is about the practical smooth running of the administration.

Could it be that President Obama actually wants to get something done as opposed to merely talking about it?

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Obama = progressive.....NOT
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Posted by: DCostello2 on Nov 7, 2008 8:26 AM   
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Thinking that Obama is a progressive is your first mistake. Obama is no where near progressive - never has been, never will be. Obama is a Democrat and Democrats, as a political institution, ARE NOT progressive.

Obama not only supports the death penalty, he supports EXPANDING the death penalty for non-fatal crimes.

Obama vetoed a bill that would end the use of folks like Blackwater and has stated that he plans on utilizing them in Iraq and other places.

Obama blah, blahed about ending the war but voted for every funding bill that came his way.

Obama blah, blahed about the FISA bill but then voted in favor of allowing illegal activity in DIRECT VIOLATION of the US Constitution. And when Congress wanted to discuss it more, Obama voted to end discussion.

Obama blah, blahed during the primary about promising to take public financing for the general election. We all know what happened to that promise.

There are plenty more examples, all one needs to do is take the blinders off and look. All of this adds up to this - Obama IS NOT progressive - never has been, never will be. If you start with the proper expectations, Obama is a Democrat and a member of the machine and NOT A PROGRESSIVE - then you won't be disappointed.

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Posted by: RobNLA on Nov 7, 2008 8:38 AM   
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He's not even in office yet and already progressives are taking out their knives and aiming at his back.

At this point, I'm predicting that Obama will govern from the center. That means progressives and the conversatives will not get everything they want.

I suspect Obama's choice of chief of staff was due to Emanuel's toughness and knowledge. It doesn't mean the President Elect agrees with all of his positions.

No matter what, Obama will at least run the country with a smarter and a more balanced approach, so at least that will be a vast improvement.

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Here we go again.
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Posted by: Longdream on Nov 7, 2008 8:41 AM   
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I've got a Landseer Newfoundland born from a line of champions on both sides. He's a fine dog, and has been vetted by the best (OFA hindquarters). There isn't a single person who's said a word against him (he's never been in a show ring).

He's the sweetheart of our household, and he's plenty smart. He has his Companion Dog certification, and is in training to be a Water Rescue Dog. He hasn't come out with a stance on Israel, but he's only just three. His finances are open to anyone's scrutiny (he hasn't earned a dime at stud). He has dedicated himself to the public service of spreading sweetness and love to his constituency and his district at large.

By the criteria of some people here, Ace, even though he's a dog and pretty young and untried, is a better candidate to advise Barack than Rahm Emanuel, who has served the Democratic party ably, was instrumental in delivering the congressional seats gained in 2006, and helped put both Clinton and Barack in the White House.

I've always liked Rahm Emanuel. He's an intense guy, an over-achiever who delivers, and he's delivered quite a lot. From what I can see, his stance on the Palestinians is the same as Barack's: support the people, condemn the leadership for terrorist acts.

Barack has been the President-Elect for three whole days, and the undermining and nay-saying has already begun. The author of this article jumps to inflammatory conclusions not based in fact, like, "How much access he will actually have as president to more progressive voices, however, is now seriously in question." What drek! He would be challenged on that in any good prep school debating team in the country, and his tepid retraction at the end of the article isn't good enough. While I'm certain the author has all his facts straight, I call this a character-assassination piece. Why? Because it has facts strung together that are negative, but contains nothing about Rahm Emanuel's achievements. If that's good enough for you, then maybe you voted for the wrong guy.

Untwist your knickers. Emanuel is not being tapped as Secretary of Defense. He is a shrewd choice as Chief of Staff, however, because of those business ties that you all detest so much. There is only one solid way to get us out of the recession we're in, and that is the creation of jobs to make up for the millions of jobs lost in the Bush years, and Barack is not going to pull them out of thin air. He's going to need a coalition of willing corporations and businesses in this country to pledge their cooperation, and brainstorm solutions. Rahm Emanuel is going to help with that.

Stop being so gullible. Don't be manipulated by someone writing an article here that hooks into your fears so that you'll keep fomenting over nothing. We've just had eight shitty years of that.

Enough is enough.

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WALKING THROUGH THE VALLEY OF THE SHADOW OF DEATH- FEAR NO EVIL. U DANCE WITH THE DEVIL TO GET OUT!
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Posted by: stopthemaddness2 on Nov 7, 2008 8:51 AM   
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Here's my take: I was not happy about his choice. But I think I understand it.

I think he made this choice for three reasons:

1) He chose him to do his barking, so he doesn't have to... Rharm will be his attack dog. People buy them for Protection. They keep them on a short lease, they don't trust them, they know they will bite, but they keep them for the Protection that they will provide, but they Maintain the CONTROL. They are the master, and they feed the dog! I think Obama will use him as needed, but will watch him closely.

2) He can get things done quickly. Obama needs to get legislation passed quickly. He had to paint the devil white, uncover all the bad stuff in the package. By doing this, leaves him clear to push policies through.

3) It helps the give and take needed right now. Who's to say this guy will remain in this key position for long. He may just be the spark needed to get the whole car started.

That is my take on it. Now certainly, we have to watch exactly what Obama does. He has to walk through the valley of the shadow of death, and along the way he will be dealing with devils, but his goal is to get through the valley.

We have to wait and see how this all plays out...but I still trust his judgment even with this appointment.

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KEEP FRIENDS CLOSE, ENEMIES CLOSER, ALWAYS CONTROL THE LEASH THEY ARE ON.
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Posted by: stopthemaddness2 on Nov 7, 2008 8:58 AM   
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Here's my take: I was not happy about his choice. But I think I understand it.

I think he made this choice for three reasons:

1) He chose him to do his barking, so he doesn't have to... RAMH will be his attack dog. People buy them for Protection. They keep them on a short lease, they don't trust them, they know they will bite, but they keep them for the Protection that they will provide, but they Maintain the CONTROL. They are the master, and they feed the dog! I think Obama will use him as needed, but will watch him closely.

2) He can get things done quickly. Obama needs to get legislation passed quickly. He had to paint the devil white, uncover all the bad stuff in the package. By doing this, leaves him clear to push policies through.

3) It helps the give and take needed right now. Who's to say this guy will remain in this key position for long. He may just be the spark needed to get the whole car started.

That is my take on it. Now certainly, we have to watch exactly what Obama does. He has to walk through the valley of the shadow of death, and along the way he will be dealing with devils, but his goal is to get through the valley. KEEP YOUR FRIENDS CLOSE BUT YOUR ENEMIES CLOSER. AND AS LONG AS YOU MASTER THE GAME, YOU OWN THE GAME.

We have to wait and see how this all plays out...but I still trust his judgment even with this appointment.

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Told you so.
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Posted by: oregoncharles on Nov 7, 2008 9:09 AM   
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I know, I know: early days yet. But the straws in the wind already stink.

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Posted by: DavidK on Nov 7, 2008 9:22 AM   
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What is this tripe? Your goals will not be met by a candidate who gets elected and then takes a full sprint to the left. I know, I know, I want it too. But it WON'T WORK! You have to share this country with people who disagree with you. You can't claim total control after a 6 point victory. I realize compromise isn't anyone's first instinct, but the truth is that, wherever you stand on RE's issues, he is a hugely competent, hard hitting, successful leader in that town. For 8 years we've had a president who does whatever he wants, no matter what the country wants. I don't want any more of that, even if the president happens to agree with me. It is not a lasting solution. To see an article like this come up on a website I respect is disheartening.

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Savvy Choice?
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Posted by: Gravitas on Nov 7, 2008 9:23 AM   
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Personally, I don't care for Emanuel. But lets face it. Washington is a viscous backbiting place. If you have to deal with attack dogs, when not command their loyalty so they can work for and not against you? What this shows is that the president-elect is not some starry eyed idealist who hasn't a clue what he is dealing with. He could be a brilliant chess player who knows exactly what he is up against. He is working within the system to change it. It is going to take time people. If he came in with a bunch of outsiders at first, they would make mincemeat out of them. Let him get fully entrenched in system and then gradually put in who he really wants when he is in an established position. There are no quick fixes to the mess period!!!

p.s. I am glad Emanuel will no longer be my congressman. I voted green anyway. No more newsletters to constituents about how he lost 12lbs. Who cares and why did he waste trees and my tax dollars over this? The guy is such an egomaniac that when he was interviewed after accepting, he talked about how great it would be his parents could see their middle child make history vs. the history making career he could have had all one his own as! We know the mirror is his favorite thing in the house!!!

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"Governing from the Center" IS Conservatism
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Posted by: shinseiji on Nov 7, 2008 10:20 AM   
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Dear Obama cult,

If the guy was the Superman you say he is, he wouldn't need to bring on board a whole truckload of Clinton retreads, of which R. Emmanuel is just the beginning. So it is recommended that you all not naively project onto the guy your progressive aspirations in the form of elaborate interpretations of the motives of the "superman". This will lead to endless confusion, some of which is already evident:

1) "Conservatism": The Clinton/DLC Democratic Party is the true conservative party of the U.S. - as in the party dedicated to preserving the status quo, the most literal definition of conservatism. OTOH the Bush government was a government of the Radical Right, governing very much from its "base". It was a RADICAL government, not a "conservative" one. Hence Obama's victory represents only a political shift from the radical right to mainstream conservatism. From a progressive political perspective there is still an awful lot of swinging left to do - don't let your guard down now!

2) "The Base": First, bringing on board conservative DLC retreads does not represent a "broadening of the base" nor an attempt to reach out to more "conservative" elements of American society who did not support Obama. The DLC retreads are Beltway insiders who are not the "basis" of anything except that of their well-heeled sponsors. Consequentially, honest progressives should feel no need to "reach out" to a narrow group of Beltway elitists - rather, Zunes is correct, they need to be consistently opposed from Day One. Instead, those that progressives need to reach out to are the so-called "conservative" working class who actually want radical change in the economic sphere, but cannot overcome cultural barriers to support someone like Obama (which, BTW makes Obama potentially an excellent tool for maintaining the divisions in the American working class). The "conservatism" of these are not at all represented by the very real conservatism of the DLC Democrats whose sine qua non is the unconditional defense and preservation of the capitalist system and U.S. imperialist hegemony.

At this point, the most positive relation that progressives can have with the Obama government is to defend it from attacks from the Far (or Radical) Right. The are the one element that is now excluded from government, and they are the very element who will also be the main competitor for the culturally conservative working class.

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Posted by: QQOblivion on Nov 7, 2008 10:25 AM   
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You liberals. Even when you think you have finally won one, you have actually lost.

Don't you know, the Democrats in this country are center right to right, and the Republicans are right to far far ultra fascist right.
That's the way it is, so get over it.

America will NEVER elect real progressives to the presidency or to Congress. Thinking otherwise is psychotic.

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Posted by: pete1618 on Nov 7, 2008 11:03 AM   
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I remember when Jimmy Carter was elected president; he was one of the most progressive, humanistic presidents we have ever had but even still there were people who thought he wasn’t doing enough for some down trodden group somewhere.

Now we have another new president who has even more promise than Jimmy Carter. And before he is even out of the gate people are already hammering him for some perceived problem they are having.

Then on the other hand I was listening to a republican woman talk about the election. She said “well I guess we’ll just have to work around it somehow, I just hope he doesn’t cost me a lot of money”. GOD! How shallow can you get! We are confronted with monumental problems of every kind and just for added irritation let’s all tackle him around his ankles and make it worse.

I give up! You’re all idiots! … Don’t talk to me with you’re moronic claptrap!

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~ ~ ~ It's called *CHANGE* fool ~ ~ ~
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Posted by: Crazy H on Nov 7, 2008 11:27 AM   
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We've just had eight long years of bubble boy surrounding himself with people who thought exactly the same way he did. A man who would never listen to an opposing viewpoint, let alone consider it.

How did that work out?

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A bunch of yes-men? Haven't you had enough?
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Posted by: ABetterFuture on Nov 7, 2008 11:38 AM   
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Perhaps Obama's new chief of staff will lend an opinion that a blind follower struck in the mold of Andy Card or Josh Bolten did not, ever, offer.

Sure, there is an agrument for the promotion of a blind sense of "we won, we shotted duh bb-gun". That was certainly what progressive contemporaries on the far right were chanting.

At what point do we stop talking about "winners" and "losers" and start talking about the direction of our country? Next election? The one after?

Its such a relief that McCain won't be running the nation. Now, the question becomes, why do you want Obama to run it in the same sort of fashion? Absent thoughtful, deliberative, even contrarian viewpoints, at times?

You THAT wrapped up in the demoboob versus repliboob "game" that you've divorced yourselves of the values of bringing in "the other" for a taste of ideas, in ways that GWB never did? Ideas THAT frightenting to you? Are you THAT comfortable with the way the previous administration did business, to pass it on to the next?

Mindless clones, the lot of you who are furious at bringing thoughtfulness and deliberation to the next presidency, where it was absent from the last.

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Posted by: 6399 on Nov 7, 2008 11:59 AM   
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Imagine for a moment that Rahm Emmanuel had just been named the CoS for a newly-elected McCain administration. How severerly would you all be judging Emmanuel based on his pro-Israeli policies alone?

There would be howls of indignation and 300+ posts decrying the hateful, Zionist tendencies of this -ahem- erstwhile AIPAC shill turned political moderate.

Hypocritical?

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Oh dear, I knew this would happen...
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Posted by: schnak on Nov 7, 2008 12:09 PM   
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I always knew something wasn't right about Obama's bold promises. I always had a feeling he was nothing more than fancy speeches. He's nothing more than a bougious Clinton Democrat and managed to convince millions of people that he was a true agent of change. What a phoney.

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It's not about electing the right person, it's about making the elected person do right.
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Posted by: Jeff Greef on Nov 7, 2008 12:39 PM   
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4 years from now we will still have:
-14 military bases in Iraq
-Strong military in Afganistan
-Drum beats, if not war, on Iran
-An intact 'Patriot' Act
-No habeas corpus
-No independent investigation of 911
-Unrestained military/industrial complex
-No questioning of the Federal Reserve.

Unless WE make it happen with non-violent demonstration.

I hate to say it, but I doubt that Obama is any less a poster boy for the rich than Bush, but now the background is blue instead of red. Emmanual's appointment would seem to support this.

Real change can't happen until the shadow powers behind the scenes (Bilderberg), who allowed Obama's election, are fully exposed. If Obama WANTS to do so, he CAN'T do so without intense peaceful pressure from the public.

It's not about electing the right person, it's about lawfully forcing the elected person to do right.

If we don't find a way to do that, the only change brought about by the Obamas will be Michelle's stylish wardrobe.

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Posted by: lynmarenjensen on Nov 7, 2008 1:44 PM   
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Look on the bright side! It gets Emanuel out of Congress, and takes away a major player in Nancy Pelosi's power base. Emanuel may actually make a better Chief of Staff than he does a Congressperson. We should be looking at who may replace him and what this does to the power balance in Congress, not dragging both him and Obama through the dirt.

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I hate to say "I told you so....."
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Posted by: DaBear on Nov 7, 2008 3:05 PM   
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This is what you get when you label a centrist a progressive because it suits your emotions.

All you progressives who voted for him have a job to do. Get crackin'!

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This election killed the DLC too
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Posted by: westomoon on Nov 7, 2008 3:32 PM   
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And I think they know it. That long painful death-struggle in the Dem primary was about who owns the D party, and the DLC lost.

Think about it -- how old-fashioned did Bill look throughout this campaign? How irrelevant does he seem now? Liebermann has had his first trip to the woodshed. In some ways, Emmanuel is a refugee from the old days of mad-tea-party "move right! move right!" compulsive centrism, a pit bull with no owner.

To the extent that the Dem party can be characterized by any one label, it appears to have entered a new phase, pioneered by Howard Dean and epitomized by Obama. Choosing the smart position, not the ideologically correct one -- remember what a hard time people had applying labels like "liberal" or "centrist" to Dean? They didn't fit.

I think we also are showing our outdated roots when we attempt to hold Obama to a label. He's not a progressive, he's not a centrist, he's not a conservative. We're into something new, folks, and we don't have a name for it yet.

Here's a quote I loved from my small-town paper's big post-election story: "I'm a conservative Democrat -- I want to conserve the legacy of Franklin Delano Roosevelt."

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Are you stupid or what?
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Posted by: Doyle Wheeler on Nov 7, 2008 3:39 PM   
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Elections are won not by making a lot of promises to the far right or the far left which only make up a total of 30 percent of the American people. A full 70 percent of the American people are in the middle and any President that trying to lead from the fringe is bound to fail. Obama is not a failure he's a winner. He may give the left wing a thing or two but don't expect him to lead from the left it's an impossible task. You might be foolish enought to believe that the left wing won this election for Obama. Wake up, the middle is what elected him. The middle from the democrats, the middle the republican, and the middle from the independance. Left Wing your giving yourself way to much credit! The man win give more than any other president unless you turn on him, if you do that you'll get zip!

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just no Larry Summers
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Posted by: racetoinfinity on Nov 7, 2008 5:39 PM   
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so far, so-and-so disappointing....Just PLEASE no Larry Summers as Sec'y. of the Treasury - the same one that with Rubin (who, thank God, has let it be known he is not interested in Washington service again, now) and Gramm and Clinton dismantled banking and investment firm regulation in '99-2000!

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Posted by: TruthBeTold on Nov 7, 2008 6:36 PM   
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knows how to get things done and one of the things I like about him is that he will be a take no prisoner chief of staff and will not take crap from the republicans.

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Posted by: sissy22 on Nov 7, 2008 7:48 PM   
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Look the problem with Rahm Emanuel is he is very intense and extreme, he will not help Barack Obama. He is going to help make life more difficult it's just that simple. Then add Isreal into the mix and it's more of the same in the Middle East war and death..Obama should pick people that have not already been in past administrations.Fresh new faces and ideas.

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Rahm Cheney
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Posted by: Red State Gal on Nov 7, 2008 8:06 PM   
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Rahm Emmanuel makes Dick Cheney look like a choir boy. Y'all have fun over the next 4 years with the Democratic version of the Prince of Darkness . . .

Red State Gal
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50 State Strategy Being Killed by Letting the Organizers Go
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Posted by: Lauren on Nov 7, 2008 11:18 PM   
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50 State Strategy Being Killed by Letting the Organizers Go The consensus is it is a big mistake.

When Dean eventually gets disgusted with Democratic party business as usual, we will be able to put together a NEW party. This move of theirs only makes it easier for us. Other people's mistakes are our opportunities.

(Please remember, the christianists are also always watching me, for them the drug war is a holy war.)

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Typical Washington Democratic Bullsh*t
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Posted by: NoPCZone on Nov 7, 2008 11:42 PM   
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The Clintonista branch of the "Democratic Party" still pulls a lot of the levers. They have given Howard Dean hell, even though 2006 and 2008 electoral successes could not have happened without him.

Period.
Without question.

So who do we get? A bunch of 'pro business', 'Free Trade' & 'Israel right or wrong' DLC types-- otherwise a moderate Republican administration.

This is the last go around for me with the Democrats. If Obama effs this up I will see what other political options are available. Maybe we can found a national progressive party and split the Democrats. The threat alone might get their attention.

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I think we need a bigger boat
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Posted by: Von on Nov 8, 2008 1:13 AM   
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:-)

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Oh, Sweet Jesus, it's worse than we thought!
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Posted by: Longdream on Nov 8, 2008 6:16 AM   
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I just ran across this, and laughed no end.

It's a film of Barack roasting Rahm Emanuel for a charity function.

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Israeli view of Rahm Emanuel
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Posted by: profco on Nov 8, 2008 6:57 AM   
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Just found this in the Israeli newspaper, Haaretz :
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In the tense talks with the Palestinians at Wye Plantation in 1998, the Israeli team headed by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu was especially wary of one of President Bill Clinton's aides - Rahm Emanuel. His fluent Hebrew, his instinctive grasp of the "Israeli" mind set and above all his complete loyalty to his boss made the Israelis afraid to talk near him.

Ten years later, Israel's next prime minister will meet Emanuel in a loftier post, as Obama's chief of staff.

"He has a kind of directness and coarseness that is very familiar to Israelis," a veteran Israeli diplomat told Haaretz yesterday. "But it doesn't necessarily bring him closer to us. One thing is certain - Israelis will not be able to pull the wool over his eyes."

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As I said in my post yesterday, Obama will require someone who can deftly and almost invisibly make his opponents play by their own rules, and that can only come from an insider who understands those rules.

This holds true not only for the Israeli-Palestinian conflict,
but for the banking and finance industry. Who better to deal with bankers and financiers than someone who knows their innermost secrets about how money is made and managed?

Jimmy Carter's presidency is recalled as a legacy of abject failures. He promoted human rights, racial equality, gay rights, abortion rights and energy conservation. (Like Obama he was personally opposed to abortion but his administration was the first to legalize it, in the aftermath of the 1973 Roe vs. Wade Supreme Court decision.) Immediately upon being sworn in, he issued an amnesty to Vietnam "draft dodgers." He achieved agreement with the Russians in the Salt II talks, and he actually wanted all nuclear weapons abolished.
He should be recalled as a great progressive!

Instead Carter was an unpopular president, across the political spectrum. Retrospectively he is vilified by conservatives and centrists as well as progressive circles, and the kind of president we never want to have again. (I wasn't even sure Obama was even going to mention Carter in his news conference on Thursday--I got the feeling the Nancy Reagan "seance" joke was an awkward attempt to postpone and distract from the "C" word.) Carter was accorded little attention and no honors at the DNC convention.) Furthermore, to this day Carter is reviled in Israel, even though he personally achieved the greatest breakthrough of the past 60 years--the Camp David accords, that reconciled Israel and its most powerful and threatening neighbor, Egypt.

Why? Because he didn't have guys like Rahm Emanuel around, who understood the rules that Congress and his various opponents were playing by. Carter and his advisers didn't understand how Washington worked, and how Americans respond to bad news. Obama is too smart and too determined to succeed to follow the implicit prescription for progressive purity laid out by Zunes and others on this list.

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Sock in the stomach
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Posted by: Drume on Nov 8, 2008 2:36 PM   
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The man made $18 million dollars in 3 years. Yeah, that's too much. I don't know enough about him or his role, whether he will be pushing certain people (probably), in which case, yeah, this is a sock in the stomach. If he is just there to strictly implement what Obama wants as opposed to shaping what Obama wants, ok, maybe. But this guy on the face of it, seems to be aggressively the exact opposite of the person many of us on Alternet were hoping Obama would be.

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Posted by: xbj on Nov 9, 2008 2:08 AM   
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How dare you question Lord Obama? Everyone knows Lord Obama knows all, sees all, and is the incarnation of godhood here on earth. Anyone Lord Obama picks for any job is perfect; who are we, and more importantly, who are you, to even question Lord Obama's beneficent inclusive omniscience?

You are obviously a racist. Enjoy hell. We who will send you there run things on earth now. It is a great new day of change.

Oh. I'm reporting you to the great Soros who pays the bills around here at Obamanet, and this will be the last article you write around here, you racist anti-semite scum. Obviously they only reprinted your racist anti-semitic lies so we, the Faithful, could attack and destroy you.

Yes we can.

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PRES. OBAMA ONLY NEEDS NON-BLACKS?
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Posted by: Malcus Garvey on Nov 9, 2008 12:13 PM   
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I wouldn't blame the Pres. Elect if he only surrounded himself at the most powerful and intricate posts, with non-Blacks. Still, deep inside of most of them, there's this Buck eyed fear of challenging whites.

Besides, Pres. Obama has alot of non-Black to confront and override; Blacks will whither and cower whenever they can't say, "The President said." Look at how the Blackfemales allow themselves to be used as prostitutes and "skeezers" in Govt and office Bldgs. by white males, for a fear of losing their jobs. If the sexual harassers were Black though...

In the future we'll be able to hire our own to fight non-Blacks, but until the NOI/Lost-NOI and other Muslim faith individuals take charge, non-Blacks are the way to go, Mr. President Barack H. Obama.

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perhaps
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Posted by: jc1234 on Nov 9, 2008 2:26 PM   
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Rahm will be the dem equivalent of Tom Delay at the cabinet level. Frankly, if Obama does not fulfill the expectations of the world and the US electorate to turn things around economically and not be a warmonger, his entire presidency will go down in history as a footnote with bushs'. This is a virtual guarantee.
I suspect the 'trial' Obama is alluded to be facing soon, will be an economic one which will have a similar appearance to a mushroom cloud...like a default on COMEX.
The biggest enemy of Obama is the fiat currency regime he has inherited which is like a money-gone-wild video and further implementation of freidmanite policies will make argentina look like a model of financial success in comparison to the US.
Irregardless, I suspect my precious metals investment (the arch enemy of fiat currency), though isn't edible or pay dividends, will reclaim its rightful role in world currencies. It is more powerful than words and promises...that's why private central banks hold it as reserves.

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So called 'progressives need to quit their bitchin...
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Posted by: Cityzen Jane on Nov 9, 2008 4:21 PM   
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Progressives - until you convince a much much more substantially involved mass of people in the 'progressive project' it is absolute horseshit to put it all on Obama. He can't do a damn thing without massive support.

You fail to make your case every damn day by demonizing good if ill informed people of the correctness of your politics. You are not communicating your message effectively. You are not building support amongst any but the penut gallery. You spend to much damn time masturbating in conspriracy theories and feeling and acting superior to people in different parts of the country. Palin was appealing because you all DO sneer at people. I've been around it all my life so don't even try to tell me it's not true. Of course there's a consipiracy - it's wealth people acting coherently in their own interest! Try it sometime.

It's pathetic that you put it all on Obama. IF he had a strong base of progressive support that extended beyond Berkely and the East Village in any great numbers he would be able to do a LOT more to oppose the DLC and the centrists. But you have all failed in building that because you cannot speak without disdain to anyone who does not see it the way you do.

Grow UP. You are a tiny minority - and it is your own damn fault.

The majority of Americans are in the center. IT's OUR failure not his to make that change. The one thing he has to teach you is to stop insulting people that do not share your worldview.

I am so bored and disgusted with the pathetic left in this country.

Don't mourn (or kvetch as it were) ORGANIZE.

And you have the wind at your backs now so it is more on progressives than it ever was...History is stacked in your favor at this moment. Try not to alienate everyone else in the country at this moment...Which in fact is a WONDERFUL change...if for no one but the children who aspire to great things who have been bared by nothing but the color of their skin....

Just digusting.

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When googling the terms "Obama" and "Emmanuel" (okay, I misspelled it), I found this article by Stephen Zunes. Right above it was an article in Mother Jones which I quote from:

"Like Obama, Emanuel has compiled a hard-left voting record in Washington. He currently has a 4 percent rating from the American Conservative Union and has consistently voted in favor of higher taxes, regulation and liberal social issues."

The change I'd like to believe in is that we liberals will stand down the circular firing squad we are wont to form on these rare occasions when we gain power.

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What a horrible choice
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Posted by: santana999 on Nov 11, 2008 7:21 AM   
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Mr obama,s choice of Rahm emanuel is a wrong signal to the international community and especially the people of middle east.this man is associated with the most hard core and fascist elements of zionist movement and was and still is supporter of war against the iraqi nation.this is a terrible choice for the united states.we need to select people who can take care of this country,s needs and not stooges who work as agents for foriegn apartheid regime.

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OH LAWDY LAWD
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Posted by: blogbooks on Nov 11, 2008 2:19 PM   
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He shoulda picked all brothas and sistas and gib dem good jobs up in D.C. so they can gib dem good jobs to they cousins and nieces and nephews and what not to fight against whitey's centuries of oppression.

I be furious at dis uncle thompson.

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Posted by: structurequity on Nov 12, 2008 8:18 PM   
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Intelligent literacy of the american voting public is not above 50% and the manipulating of symbolic imagery for votes is used by both sides. My innate fear is that framed imagery and framed reality will clash and a backlash of tremendous proportion will follow. Literacy brings discernment in a relative sphere of being, I do not see a lot of that in our populace and fear for a radical emergence of violence should we not educate ourselves well!

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reaching out
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If Obama really wants to govern all of America, he has to reach out to people outside his group of core supporters.

One of the greatest challenges Obama faces is to pander to his most ardent supporters. With a Democratic president, Congress and Senate, it will be difficult for him to represent the interests of a broader segment of the population.

If Obama wants to have a hope of avoiding a pro-Republican backlash in the next elections, he must represent views other than those held by the left wing of the Democrats.

If Obama takes orders from the the most left-wing members of his party, he will soon find himself with a Republican Congress and will have little or no chance of winning the next election.

Personally, I think it was a wise move to appoint a centrist as chief of staff. It will make most of the right feel much more comfortable with the soon-to-be president.



It is disappointing to

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Posted by: jackflash on Nov 18, 2008 4:59 PM   
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Zunes is a known quantity from years ago here in San Francisco. He's always supported Palestinians over Israel, often arguing that the poor Palestinians have no choice but to wrap their kids in dynamite and put them on the bus. So of course he doesn't like anyone who is pro-Israel, saying that such a person cannot be a progressive. I say that anyone who supports a system of subjugation of women, such as the Shari'ah laws supported by Zunes, cannot be a progressive.

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"Say it ain't so, Joe"
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Posted by: nochicagoboys on Nov 7, 2008 12:34 AM   
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This is a reality-check by Professor Zunes. Along with everyone else, I allowed myself a day, or two, of unbridled exuberance the day after Obama's historic election. Now, it's time to get down to business and call the new president-elect down on his staff and cabinet selections.

It appears he's retreating toward a government with a distinctive Clinton flavor; one that favors a centrist, or even possibly a "conservative-lite" foundation. I hope he's not falling into line with the corporatist opportunists and the bailout profiteers.

Just as he "appears" to be retreating, I am also. Cynicism can be a damning reaction, but it's the only thing that allows one to really have a clear mind. As Rachel Maddow mentioned last night, the Champaign bottles are empty and already in the blue recycle bin.

I hope I'm wrong, but I'm starting to feel one of those "here we go again" moments.

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I'd disagree with the author's definition of "progressive".
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Posted by: gunboat diplomat on Nov 7, 2008 12:37 AM   
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The areas where there is real need for progressive strategies include energy, water, agriculture and industry.

Rahm Emanuel has a very good record on environmental and energy issues: Rahm Emanuel on Energy & Oil

Yes, he is Jewish. There is also a Muslim member of Congress, right? Keith Ellison. Virginia Republican Goode wrote a letter claiming that Ellison should not be allowed to touch a Quran while being sworn in.

Here's a good quote from CNN on that:

"Rep. Rahm Emanuel, an Illinois Democrat who is Jewish, said Thursday that he hoped Goode would meet with Ellison. Emanuel said he would "see what I saw: a good American with good values of a different faith who's trying to do right by the people he represents."

Look! A Jewish Arab-lover - isn't that progressive enough for you? (well, actually Ellison is not Arabic, and he converted to Islam in college). So, he is fair enough - although we can think of many questions that Emanuel will not want to talk about, such as "how about a open and honest discussion about Israel's nuclear weapons program?"

Anyway, what did you expect, a shining knight on a white horse? Our political system has been under the more-or-less absolute control of giant corporate interests for the past eight years - that's what needs to end first. To do that you need someone willing to tackle tough issues, which Emanuel is.

Plus, here's a great video of Emanuel moving to strip funding from Cheney after he declared the VP to be a fourth branch of government:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1U025hVMeY

Seems like a good choice to me, especially after the nasty anti-partisan attacks put out by the Republicans over the past few weeks. More to the point, he has promoted a very good energy policy - and that's what matters most.

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No he is not!
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Posted by: onewriter on Nov 7, 2008 12:49 AM   
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No, Obama is not screwing his base by making Rahm Emanuel chief of staff. All observers including those most inside find Obama has the strength, wisdom and confidence to listen to any view, including John McCain's in the debates, know his own mind and make his own choices. Obama thinks things through and has enormous brain power to do so. He possesses strong, liberal, democratic principles -- strengthened by his experience living and working among the poor and as a constitutional law professor, and tempered with enormous pragmatism. Did he sell out his base and principles by refusing public financing? No! He build a model campaign for the 21st century that defeated the Republicans in a landslide. To the benefit of his base and the entire Democratic party, he raised the game, forever.

Rahm Emanuel argued fiercely against Howard Dean's fifty state strategy. Dean was politically and strategically right and Emanuel was dead wrong. Obama agreed with Dean, ran his entire campaign contrary to Emanuel's strategy, and slam-dunk won. So O will have no problem saying "Rahm I understand your argument, but I don't agree (and now you can shut the hell up and get what I want done)." And getting done what Obama wants is the job of the chief of staff.

Obama is very cool and very smart, but he is not soft, weak, timid or unforceful. Indeed, Obama is audacious, as his book title and campaign reveal. But a new, cool kind of audacious. In bringing in Emanuel he has shown everyone (including the Clinton's) that he will run his own shop and has the steel to do it. And after being absolutely wrong about the fifty state strategy, Rahm Emanuel will now spend years doing anything and everything that Obama wants. Yes he will!

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Buchanan is right
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Posted by: compu on Nov 7, 2008 12:56 AM   
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I hate agree with Pat.
First thing Obama does,hiring another version
of neocons.
Will be interesting to see who remains at the
state dpt and pentagon.
Its for sure the influence of what Buchanan
calls the likudists,dual loyalists,will be the same as the Bush adm.
That means war with Iran
rather soon.

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More Details About Emanuels's Past Activities
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Posted by: bcgirl125 on Nov 7, 2008 1:21 AM   
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Great article by Joe Walsh from Counterpunch about how this individual single-handedly got rid of the anti-war candidates on the Dem slate:

http://www.counterpunch.org/walsh10142006.html

Also an article by Chris Bollyn about Emanuel's dual (at best!) loyalty :

http://www.bollyn.info/home/articles/polphil
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Emanuel is a treasonous piece of work who should be given a one-way ticket back to Israel. He has no place as an advisor to anyone who really intends to bring "Change" to the White House. Between Emanuel and Brezinski (another gem of an Obama mentor), it looks like it's going to be business as usual, despite the slogan.

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Something to ask yourself......
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Posted by: vot on Nov 7, 2008 1:41 AM   
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Quite obviously a very disturbing Revelation...
" A major hawk regarding Iran, Emanuel has also voted against Democratic efforts ",etc.....
frankly something that should not come as a total surprise realizing how Jewish/Israeli Interests have always been "total priorities, with little or no objections,from the highest Levels for too many years".
Unfortunately,especially the last 8 years!

Equally disturbing and irritating to read....
" Emanuel is also a prominent hawk regarding Israel, attacking the Bush administration from the right for criticizing Israel's assassination policies and other human rights abuses ".
It should go without saying,if that " Mind-set"
of this person will prevail in the new Obama
Administration and the present Middle East Policies are going to continue unchanged "then the Election of Barack Obama has come for the majority of people,who have given their Hope and Soul during this recent Election,a total Disaster and waste of their tireless efforts ", " a chilling Cry for some badly Change we need for this Country " ...beginning with Palestine!

So,let us begin with what John F.Kennedy surely would have said today,when asked of yourself:
Don`t ask what you can do for Israel,ask Israel
what it can do for you ......for this Country !
Nothing is more insulting than a Neighbor,speak Country,that always has taken,and taken ....but
never ever has given anything at all ..now that
is not what I call a " Friend of mine ".

This Issue must have Priority One by the Obama Administration and must be resolved with or without the willingness and cooperation of Israel.

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Posted by: HanaB on Nov 7, 2008 2:07 AM   
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Emanuel is not the President, Obama is. Obama has already affirmed his commitment to diplomacy and peace in the Middle East. You cannot expect him to agree with Emanuel on every issue.

By choosing Emanuel as Chief of Staff, Barack commands full loyalty from the man, already a long-term friend he knows he can trust and work with. (Besides, one mis-step and Emanuel can be fired.)

Emanuel is an influential figure in Congress. Bringing him in as C of S actually works to neutralize Emanuel's possibly problemtic opposition to some of Barack's future initiatives.

Emanuel is a hardnosed action man who will stand up both to Republican opposition and to Democrats who try to overreach by pushing a radical left-wing agenda that would quickly undermine Obama's credibility as a unifier. Contrary to some accusations, he has a solid record of bipartisanship.

Also, Emanuel is very strong on environmental and on energy policy -- two of our most pressing issues.

With one masterful stroke, Obama has put to rest all the lingering whispers of his secret radical Islamic leanings/liasons. He sends a clear signal to Israel that he is not just a Palestinian apologist but, rather, intends to *mediate*, to Islamic extremists that he will not be a pushover, and he can still fulfill his promise to engage in diplomatic negotations with Iran, etc.

Reaching across the aisle can happen on many dimensions, not just in Congress.

I think Rahm is a *brilliant* choice!

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Welcome to Israel
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Posted by: weathered on Nov 7, 2008 2:54 AM   
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a political state by day, a religious state for tax purposes, an extradition-free refuge for its citizens who commit crimes elsewhere, but always, the exhausting, manipulating and misunderstood victim that demands to treated as the exception and always at the expense of others.

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Arab floor-cleaners
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Posted by: perryp on Nov 7, 2008 3:19 AM   
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Rahm's father has some interesting views: "Obviously he will influence the president to be pro-Israel...Why wouldn't he be? What is he, an Arab? He's not going to clean the floors of the White House."
from: jpost article

In other words, Arabs are only fit to clean floors. Let's see the quote again with one word changed: "Obviously he will influence the president to be pro-Israel...Why wouldn't he be? What is he, a nigger? He's not going to clean the floors of the White House."

Rahm Emamuel decided to fight for Israel rather than the US during the first Gulf War.

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Posted by: davy on Nov 7, 2008 3:25 AM   
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As long as Obama remains his own man all will be well. Sometimes I get tired of Alternet you always seem to find the darker slant. lets give the man a chance, before "WE" start to predict doom.

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Give the guy a break and don't jump to conclusions!
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Posted by: Mary Price on Nov 7, 2008 3:27 AM   
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The Chief of Staff is an ADMINISTRATIVE position, and by all accounts, Rahm E. is good at that. Discipline is important for a president's office. Obama has enough wisdom and judgment to be able to make decisions for himself. Give him a break and a chance before you start killing him with negativity before he's even inaugurated! Would you prefer John McCain???

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Disappointment is inevitable...
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Posted by: Martin32 on Nov 7, 2008 3:44 AM   
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...when people insist on painting on to Obama their own values and hopes. He is a moderate, not a radical left-winger. He has made no secret of the fact that he believes in bipartisan politics and he was never the unquestioning antiwar candidate that a good chunk of posters here believe he should be. He will be his own man and no one who voted for him will agree with everything he does. However, give him a chance and I think we will find that everyone who voted for him will agree with most of what he does.

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Bright Side-He is Not a Dual Israeli Citizen
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Posted by: 911FalseFlag on Nov 7, 2008 3:45 AM   
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Of course, not having four more years of John (George Bush) McCain is a very good result. The fact that the neocons could not or did not hack the election is also very good news.

With that said, I do not consider myself to be cynical but only a realistic skeptic. If I know that:
1. there are gaping holes in the 9/11 official conspiracy theory and if anyone looked at, not only what happened on that day, but the political landscape leading up to that day, they would know that 9/11 was an inside job,
2. the only way to be sure that our votes are counted as they are cast is by using a paper ballot and at the current electronic voting machines are completely hackable and the transmission of the vote count from each precinct to the central tabulator is completely hackable,
4. the last two presidential elections was stolen by a voter suppression and computer fraud,
5. the Federal Reserve Bank is a private cartel of banks that operate as any other corporation with a profit motive, that every dollar that they print is lent to this government and in return the Federal Reserve Bank receives a US treasury bond which is a debt owed to the Federal Reserve Bank,
6. that George Bush and his administration intentionally lied to the Congress and the people of this country in order to attack Iraq to control its oil and the oil supply in the Middle East by US military continued presence,

Then the U.S. Congress knows this or is turning its back on this because at this point they are almost all complicit with the Bush administration and its agenda. It is my opinion that "the powers that be" are not the President and the U.S. Congress but the Secret Government talked about by Bill Moyers in his 1987 documentary that was aired on PBS. You can watch this video on the homepage of my website. This Secret Government is in bed with the military-industrial oil private central banking complex.

This Bush administration appointed many members of this Secret Government to positions of power. This Secret Government has grown, in conjunction with the military-industrial oil Central banking complex, since the creation of the CIA in the 1940s. This Secret Government planned and orchestrated 9/11 and the rest of the fascist takeover, under the cover of fear of terrorists, is there to be seen if anyone is willing to look at it.

The "powers that be" will never let the truth be told about 9/11, the Federal Reserve Bank, the stealing of elections by computer fraud end the lies told by the Bush administration to attack Afghanistan and Iraq.

History supports my contention. The truth has never been disseminated by the "powers that be", which now includes the mainstream media, about the Gulf of Tonkin lie to compel the US to attack Vietnam, FDR allowing Pearl Harbor to occur so the US would enter World War II, the CIA's overthrow and/or political assassination of any countries leader who would not succumb to the takeover of that country's resources by multinational corporations with the assistance of the World Bank and the international monetary fund, George HW Bush's lies to start the first Gulf War, George HW Bush's involvement in the Iran Contra affair, the assassinations JFK.RFK and King, the political assassinations of Clinton (although he is part of the "powers that be")Eliot Spitzer, Gary Hart and Ross Perot.

Obama will not promote any criminal prosecution of Bush. Just like Nixon and George H.W. Bush were let off the hook by their successors, Obama will do the same. Obama has said many things that clearly indicate that he believes in the validity of the war against terror.

I do not believe any significant changes will be made by Obama. Real change can only occur if it is not based and built upon lies that have never been officially admitted to.

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Put an end to "the base"
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A central theme of Obama's message of "change" was to end the politics of division. That means being inclusive, pragmatic, and putting an end to catering to one's "base". Look where that got the Republicans with pandering to their right-wing evangelicals. I am probably ideologically far more liberal that Obama, but I want him to succeed, and that's not going to be possible if he follows the Bush model and ignores the (slightly less than) half of the country that didn't vote for him.

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It's a good move
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Posted by: pjgills on Nov 7, 2008 4:37 AM   
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If Emanuel was a concern while in Congress, then it's good he's not in Congress right? This is a good decision. It quiets the pro-Israel part of his base which is extremely important. It's a good move to have someone who knows their way around DC because let's face it, the political machinations of that town aren't going to change just because we want them to. I hope he continues to put people around him that are not part of his so-called base. We're all his base - he obviously wants to include all of America rather than just us liberals. It's ok. It's good to have people around him who will disagree and I have faith in Obama to stay true to his policies already expressed. He's not going to please everyone but instead will do what's best for the entire country, which is quite the change from the past 8 years of pleasing the rich and powerful only.

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The day the music ... went sour
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Posted by: BST on Nov 7, 2008 4:42 AM   
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It's almost amusing to now see AlterNet, which pushed its ultra-liberal agenda to the nth degree throughout the campaign to the exclusion of any other ideas, start the Monday-morning quarterbacking.

Many will see Obama's appointments as surprise and disappointment; the rest of us who were not so starry-eyed about "Change" know the truth about politics. It's usually a retread in some form or another after the music ebbs.

Welcome to the real world, folks.

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Could we give this rune-reading a rest till after the inauguration?
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Posted by: hagwind on Nov 7, 2008 4:53 AM   
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I've worked with some pretty unlikely groups and teams over the years. A good team both draws on and transcends the personalities and priorities of its members. Its ability to do this depends a lot on its leadership -- and I don't mean just the person with the top title.

You pundits don't know how things are going to develop. You don't know what Obama wants from Emanuel or what Emanuel thinks he can bring to the team. The chief of staff doesn't necessarily determine policy, and if I wanted someone to organize a complex operation, I wouldn't necessarily pick the person with the most progressive credentials.

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Posted by: Poet1 on Nov 7, 2008 4:54 AM   
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Please--the last thing we on the left need is to attack Obama before he even takes office. Will every action he takes meet our approval? Of course not. If we insist on purity, though (our version of purity), we will be following Nader's lead--and we all should remember where that took us.

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Getting the job done!
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Posted by: christopher13b on Nov 7, 2008 5:23 AM   
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Rahm Emanuel will be able to get the job done from day one. Progressives and Dems that want President Obama to push the issues should recognize that a member of congress that was on the fast-track to Speaker of the House has the connections and political know-how to get an agenda acted upon. He has the ability to work with the regressives and repubs in congress too and that will have to happen to get any ambitious work done. Plus, it seems smart to me to use the experience from the only living two-term President from your party to learn what to do and not do right from the start like Obama has done in using Clinton people on his transition team. Everyone on Alternet needs to take a chill pill and put it together that we now have an intelligent President that is not swayed by associations.

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A World of "Angles, not Angels"
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Posted by: profco on Nov 7, 2008 5:41 AM   
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First, I respectfully disagree with Zunes with regard to Obama's debt to the "progressive base that brought him to power." If Obama had been dependent upon the strength of the "progressive base" to get him where he is today, he would have made it as far as Dennis Kucinich. How far was that "progressive base" able to take him, in terms of being in a position to make things happen? Let's get real, please.

Second, I highly recommend that anyone who questions why Obama would choose Emanuel as CoS have a look at the website of the very small but vicious and vocal Republican Jewish Coalition. Although nearly 80% of Jews voted for Obama and RJC has NO MANDATE from American Jews to speak for them, RJC has no intention of retrenching, even after the election. They are cued to start shrieking the moment Obama opens his mouth. They also have close contacts within the most right-wing elements within the Israeli government--so much so that Israeli Army radio (considered a bastion of non-partisan objective reporting) was broadcasting false news stories before the election that had been planted by anti-Obama operatives.

Who do you think is going to shut them up, Rashid Khalidi? It takes someone on the AIPAC inside, like Rahm Emanuel, to defang these vipers. As Saul Alinsky' fourth rule put it so eloquently, "Make the opposition play by its own rules." Emanuel knows those rules inside out, how to make the opposition play by them, and how to keep the "pro-Israel" lobby from getting in Obama's way at every turn.

While Emanuel's father was indeed an Irgun fighter during Israel's War of Independence, so was Uri Avnery. Today you can't find a more scathing, outspoken and progressive critic of Israeli policies than Avnery. Yes, Emanuel was a volunteer who provided support services to the Israeli Army during the First Gulf War. Saddam was launching Scuds at Israel. (Are progressives now expected to have been on the side of Saddam Hussein in 1991?) Two years later, Emanuel also choreographed the handshake between Arafat and Yitzchak Rabin on the White House lawn.

Again, let's get real. Obama isn't going to be able to get anything accomplished without key players like Rahm Emanuel. Get used to it.

Third, Obama is a pragmatist as well as a progresive. Pragmatists have to compromise ideological purity in exchange for the power to effect real change. Alinsky's Rules for Radicals was written for Have-nots, explaining how they can take power from the Haves. Obama took Alinsky's primer on organization and coalition building farther, wider and higher than Alinsky could have ever imagined. I am sure Alinsky (who I had the privilege of knowing personally) would have both stunned and gratified.

Now it's up to Obama to show how Have-nots turned Haves can responsibly and EFFECTIVELY exercise power when they get it. As Alinsky wrote, we live in a world "of angles, not angels...this is where you start." Obama knows all too well that he is neither a magician or a messiah; he doesn't pretend to be either. At a time of unprecented economic and political turmoil, he is going to have to solve problems the hard way, bringing on board the tough tacticians and shrewd strategists to make it happen.

Let's not create a dissatisfied "loony left" that mirrors and echoes the worst "recalcitrant right" in chicken little-ism, clamoring "No, he can't" two months before inauguration day.

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Let's Get A Grip!
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Posted by: scohol on Nov 7, 2008 5:41 AM   
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Whether progressive, liberal, or whatever, we finally have change in the White House. The last thing we want to do is feed into the right-wing conservative base and give them the chance to say "We told you so!" Change cannot happen over night, and change cannot happen if we take the same extreme measures that the Republicans did, it will play into their hands as soon as Obama makes a mistake, and you know he will....politics is messy and stuff. happens. The Obama adminsitration needs people who can make things happen, and help ensure a degree of success, otherwise in two years their will be a Republican upswing in the House and once again we will be mired in partisan fighting and a 'do nothing' government. Emmanuel knows how to get things done, and he can he can instil the disciplen that Obama needs in running thw HWite House and the ADminsitration, it's that same discipline that won him the election. If everyone tries ot 'call in their favors', none will get anything and the country loses, again!

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Progressive lite
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Posted by: solrev on Nov 7, 2008 6:00 AM   
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Some of you progressives need to lighten up; you have about as much of a chance of becoming masters of the universe as the Christian right did. We the people did not elect Obama to be progressive we the people elected him to be president. We the progressives did not elect Obama. Emanuel is a great choice he knows how to get things done. Obama is to smart to surround himself with a bunch of little Obama’s. When Obama tells Emanuel to do something, and Emanuel says there are to many people that think this, so we can not do that. Obama will say okay then will do this and make them think that. We are a nation of people, not a nation of laws or labels. Give Obama a chance to institute a government that will secure the entitlements of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. If he fails, then throw the bum out. Personally, I doubt that we will have good government in this country, until the young people who voted for Obama are we the people. When their kids and grandkids elect a president they will institute the government that we just dream of. It takes three generations to change one to think it, one to learn it, and one to live it. All we need to do today is to not kill them before they get started. I fought in the civil rights movement and I did not pass on the racism I was taught, and my grandkids voted for Obama. That’s life.

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"Obama Screwing His Base with Rahm Emanuel Selection"
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Posted by: xvictor on Nov 7, 2008 6:02 AM   
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Emanuel's father was a member of the Israeli terrorist organization, the Irgun, that murdered many innocent Arabs as well as British soldiers. This appointment confirms a business-as-usual approach favorable to Zionist interests, and he had said so as much.

I would feel a bit better if Emanuel swore an allegiance to the United States, just to be on the safe side.

Anyway, so much for "change".

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Bilderberg, bilderberg, bilderberg.
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Posted by: Jeff Greef on Nov 7, 2008 6:07 AM   
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Bilderberg, bilderberg, bilderberg, bilderberg, bilderberg, bilderberg, bilderberg, bilderberg, bilderberg, bilderberg, bilderberg, bilderberg, bilderberg, bilderberg, bilderberg, bilderberg, bilderberg, bilderberg, bilderberg, bilderberg, bilderberg, bilderberg, bilderberg, bilderberg, bilderberg, bilderberg, bilderberg.

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LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL
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Posted by: gellero1 on Nov 7, 2008 6:08 AM   
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"Plus ca change, plus la meme chose"..........

Rep. Rhambo is 'ne plus ultra' of a Washington/Corporate insider and fixer...........the Democratic Party's version of a Rumsfield/Cheney.

He was on the board of directors of FreddieMac/ FannieMae and did his best to make sure he and his corrupt CORPORATE cronies made MILLIONS.

Yo Mamma's administration is just about who controls and loots the Treasury.

'Change we can believe in'...............as if !!

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Ethnic Surge
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Posted by: Grousefeather on Nov 7, 2008 6:22 AM   
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I wonder why the people being named to the Obama administration are nearly all Jewish?
Supposing he picked only Afican American people, or only Catholics?

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Too much rapture
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Posted by: daw13 on Nov 7, 2008 6:45 AM   
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I'm criticized for not being euphoric enough about Obama's election. It's not Obama I worry about. It's the public's eagerness to feel good and then turn to other matters. Some say we need inspiration and a moment of rapture. I wish I trusted this perspective more. I apologize for bringing people down if this is what I'm doing. I don't apologize for insisting that now, immediately, is the time to create enormous pressure on Obama, in his role as leader of the Democratic Party to begin it's reconstruction. There really is not a moment to lose.

Rahm's appointment indicates that rather than dedicating himself to finally building in this nation a true people's party, this new president, like his predecessors, may be committed to exactly the opposite. In this regard, comparing him with FDR makes perfect sense. On the other hand, he may wish to be truly different, but needs a strong public to insist and support him in deviating from the DLC and DCC. This is the time not for rapturing, but for rupturing old models and demanding a new one.

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If he could do it as senator, what's to stop him continuing to do so as president?
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Posted by: maxpayne on Nov 7, 2008 6:59 AM   
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And as long as we ignore local elections, exploit each other on Main Street and allow Wall $treet to fuck and rape Main Street, and allow the system to screw us every time, who are we to stop Obama at this point? We'll see how he actually governs once he's in.

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Tsk Tsk , Barak. You are two steps away from a call for impeachment already.
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Posted by: Nightstallion on Nov 7, 2008 7:05 AM   
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Step 1) setting this guy up in a post to study Afghanistan militairily.

Step 2) Preparing for a military move on Afghanistan boarders.

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my comment yesterday, "Change is DOA", wasn't premature after all
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Posted by: PakiBoy on Nov 7, 2008 7:12 AM   
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Rahm Emanuel, represents the neoliberal ideology, the mirror image of neocons.

VP Joe "screw-the-working-class" Biden was the architect of the Bankruptcy "Reform" bill, a complete give away to the credit card industry.

And now, Rahm Emanuel?

Clinton gave us NAFTA and globalization. His cabinent secretary Robert Rubin is as much responsible for the deregulation regime (see dismantling of Glass-Steagall Act 1999), as Phil Graham et al.

Change is Orwellian for more of the same...

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No Lipstick needed for this Pitbull
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Posted by: Purple Girl on Nov 7, 2008 7:20 AM   
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The Chief of Staff is the GateKeeper to the Pres time ....so I have confidence this 'bare knuckled, 'sleeps with the Fish' Enforcer will be able to keep the WHORES wishing to sell their 'wares' out of the Oval Office.
We need someone who will tell these assholes to go fuck themselves- not with a smile, but with a 'Teeth Bared' warning.

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Please!
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Posted by: demetria on Nov 7, 2008 7:33 AM   
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"Progressives" are not "responsible" for getting Obama in as president. Give it a rest, we are not that important. And as far as Rahm goes, remember, it gets him out of Congress and he can't vote anymore. Obama is still the Pres. and will have last say. Sure, this guy is tough and I don't like a lot of what I read about him, but right now this is what this country needs, not the "soft" progressive moments.

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Emanuel was chosen for all the wrong reasons
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Posted by: kmarx on Nov 7, 2008 7:40 AM   
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Emanuel, like Lieberman, wants wars in the Middle East that weaken the states around Israel. Both Emanuel and Lieberman serve the best interests of Israel while putting this nation second.

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Give it time
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Posted by: justcherie on Nov 7, 2008 7:41 AM   
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The way I see it, the Righties are upset by this appointment, so it makes me cautiously optimistic. And if President Obama is going to have to deal with Arkansas Project-like smears, who better to help deal with them than someone with personal experience from the first time? Does anyone here doubt that the Neocons aren't planning to try to treat Barack Obama the way they did the Clintons?

And if I understand the job of COS, his job is to follow orders, not to make policy. Rep Emanuel will be out of the House and out of the running for Obama's Senatorial seat in a position where his talents can be useful. I saw a piece on BuzzFlash this morning that kind of summed up what I've been feeling:

Rahm Emanuel: You Can't Take a Knife to a Gun Fight.

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The morning after
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Posted by: QCao009 on Nov 7, 2008 7:47 AM   
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Professor Zunes' data are legitimate, his logic and conclusions faulty and inconsequential. The world is not going to accept us back just like that with open arms after eight years of chest-beating and unilateralism. It is going to take a number of conciliatory gestures in the political arena, in military concessions and in trade for us to return to the Clinton years. Can it be done? Yes. Can Obama do it? The jury is still out. There are some facts however which should keep us hopeful.

1. He shows a degree of thoughtfulness and calm deliberateness. Emmanuel is the most logical choice given his inner circle, even if he's a hawk. Building on the lessons of Clinton and Reagan and the failures of both Bushes, it is logical he would want a DC insider as his Chief of Staff with connections to Wall street with a strong communicative skillset, and he cannot do better than Rahm unless he has Jim Baker, an older and more experienced machiavellan.

2. The notion of a base is what continues to divide the country. Bi-partisanship lip service aside, it is a good idea to look at this election, and realize how much rancor and culture war are still in our political reservoir after the Reagan/Bush years. For Obama to be truly transformational, he has to transform those who did not vote for him, not just those who did. It would be stupid for him to think like Bush and talk about political capital. It is going to be a process, and he's not going to get there just based on those who are euphoric about electing the first African American President. Image wise, it means a lot. Substance wise, it means absolutely nothing.

Finally, just this one thought. Coming from Vietnam, I am an avid observer of American democracy and how it works. I also spend much of my time as a community activist with refugee and immigrant groups, and the acquisition of democratic processes is painfully slow not just for our communities, but now for American institutions as well. Whether he means it or not, Senator McCain's speech could not have been made with such grace in the context of another political system.

So we Americans have a choice: we can continue to talk about unity and act divisively, or we can begin to look at the false political correctness of the last 25 years, rise above the shock jock talk radio brouhaha, and begin to mend our country beyond race, beyond gender, beyond age.

It is our country, not just the President's. It is sad that Barrack Obama can now know what to expect from his ennemies, and not from friends like Professor Zunes, if this is how we progressives are going to act.

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This ain't tiddly-winks
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Posted by: jebpgh on Nov 7, 2008 8:05 AM   
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Does anyone posting on this site have even a clue what the White House Chief of Staff does? Does anyone posting have a clue what the challenges are for President Obama when he starts to move on his broad legislative agenda - even with a Democratic-controlled Congress? The last Democratic administration was derailed within weeks of taking office around their response to a special interest group - Gay rights in the military and in their poorly thought-out attack on universal health care. Care to repeat this experience and destroy our ability to move across the board on a wide array of critical, planet threatening issues folks?

I am getting tired of listening to stories of the new Lincoln Brigaders - we lost all the battles but we had the best songs. Emanuel is a tough as nails, Congressional insider who will be whipping the Dems in Congress on behalf of the President. If you think that can be done better by someone else - nominate him or her. David Axelrod was the brains behind a two year campaign to capture the hearts and minds of a nation. I've been on both sides with David - and each time he kicked the other guys into history. First with Harold Washington and then with Rich Daley. Rich Daley has turned out to be the best choice for Chicago. All of our progressive ideals would have been snuffed out in an antagonistic city council war.

In politics, winning matters. If you don't win, you don't get to carry out your agenda. BUT, politics is also the art of compromise. Emanuel and Axelrod understand both of those concepts better than most in the Democratic Party.

Obama is not the messiah, folks. He is our shot to do it right. That requires that the grassroots movement that sustained him into the White House and Democrats into Congress holds together and takes advantage of the open door. We have a chance here, don't blow it because you didn't get handed the keys to the car when you don't know how to drive it.

We can fight with this White House - and we should. We can support it and we can compromise when it makes sense. Life is a negotiation - Alinsky taught this more than any other lesson - the people are still where it all rests no matter who is in government.

Now get moving!

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Why Emmanuel makes sense for CoS
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Posted by: left-leaning-libertarian on Nov 7, 2008 8:16 AM   
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Why did the Carter and (to a lesser extent) Clinton administrations fail?

You can come into office with all the high ideals, soaring rhetoric and good intentions in the world; BUT IF YOU DON'T KNOW HOW TO WORK THE LEVERS OF GOVERNMENT, YOU'RE SCREWED! If you don't know how to operate the system, nothing will change. You need POLITICAL ACUMEN in order to get an agenda through Congress (Carter and Clinton both had good-sized Democratic majorities, but still failed).

As much as I despise Emmanuel for his DLC-a**-kissing ideology, I recognize that he's a guy who knows how to work the system and get results. That's the kind of guy Obama needs as CoS, which is much less a position about ideology than it is about the practical smooth running of the administration.

Could it be that President Obama actually wants to get something done as opposed to merely talking about it?

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Obama = progressive.....NOT
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Posted by: DCostello2 on Nov 7, 2008 8:26 AM   
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Thinking that Obama is a progressive is your first mistake. Obama is no where near progressive - never has been, never will be. Obama is a Democrat and Democrats, as a political institution, ARE NOT progressive.

Obama not only supports the death penalty, he supports EXPANDING the death penalty for non-fatal crimes.

Obama vetoed a bill that would end the use of folks like Blackwater and has stated that he plans on utilizing them in Iraq and other places.

Obama blah, blahed about ending the war but voted for every funding bill that came his way.

Obama blah, blahed about the FISA bill but then voted in favor of allowing illegal activity in DIRECT VIOLATION of the US Constitution. And when Congress wanted to discuss it more, Obama voted to end discussion.

Obama blah, blahed during the primary about promising to take public financing for the general election. We all know what happened to that promise.

There are plenty more examples, all one needs to do is take the blinders off and look. All of this adds up to this - Obama IS NOT progressive - never has been, never will be. If you start with the proper expectations, Obama is a Democrat and a member of the machine and NOT A PROGRESSIVE - then you won't be disappointed.

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