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Election 2008

The Hope of Obama

By Stephen Zunes, AlterNet. Posted November 6, 2008.


Barack Obama's resounding victory has brought even this cynical observer of Democratic Party politics to dare to hope.
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Barack Obama's resounding victory has brought even this cynical observer of Democratic Party politics to dare to hope, believing that -- as a child of the Eisenhower era -- I will soon be witnessing the most progressive presidential administration of my lifetime.

This hope, which I fully realize may prove to be naive, rests upon Obama's personal history as a community organizer, his base of support in the party's left wing, and the remarkable shift in internal Democratic Party politics in recent years.

Obama's Background

There are a number of aspects of Obama's personal history which would seem to indicate empathy for those less fortunate. One, of course, is the fact that he is a black man in a racist society. Another is that he grew up in Indonesia (a poor Asian country) and Hawaii (the most racially diverse and economically stratified state.)

More significant, however, is Obama's political history:

Though the desperate lies and hyperbole from the Right regarding Obama's supposed far-left roots and radical associates are easily dismissible, Obama does come out of a progressive grassroots tradition.

At Occidental College in the early 1980s, he became immersed in the anti-apartheid movement. His first public speech was at an event sponsored by the Students for Economic Democracy, part of a national student advocacy group set up by former California State Senator and progressive activist Tom Hayden. Though there have certainly been student activists from the late 1960s who later moved well to the right, left-wing campus activism was not nearly as trendy during Obama's college years, which were during the heyday of the Reagan Era, when College Republicans were often the largest and most visible political group on many campuses.

Upon graduating from Columbia University, while most of his classmates were pursuing lucrative careers elsewhere, Obama began working in working-class black neighborhoods of South Chicago as an organizer for the Developing Communities Project, then reeling from the collapse of the steel industry. His salary was only $13,000 a year, plus $2,000 to purchase a beat-up Honda Civic for transportation, recognizing, in his words, "There was something more than making money and getting a fancy degree."

Rejecting Chicago's tradition of taking advantage of personal connections with elected officials to elicit a few crumbs, Obama instead embraced the organizing tradition of Saul Alinsky and other community activists of confronting officials with resolute citizens demanding accountability.

Later, as the first African-American president of the Harvard Law Review, Obama was recruited by hundreds of top corporate law firms and was offered a prestigious clerkship for a federal appeals court, but he turned them all down to return to South Chicago to continue working to empower people to challenge the system. (By contrast, his fellow Ivy League law school grad Hillary Clinton was then in Arkansas serving on the board of Wal-Mart.)

In the buildup to the 1992 elections, as an alternative to the national Democratic Party's emphasis on fighting for the small number of undecided voters in the middle, Obama -- as director of Project Vote! -- instead worked to expand the party's progressive base through registering traditionally underrepresented poor and minority voters, resulting in unexpectedly large Democratic victories in Illinois that year.

This history is indicative of someone who not only is cognizant of the impact government policies have on disadvantaged segments of society, but who recognizes that power ultimately comes from below.

Obama's Progressive Base

From the beginning of the race for the Democratic presidential nomination, it was obvious that Obama's policy positions were not nearly as progressive as those of Dennis Kucinich or even John Edwards, and Obama did not differentiate himself much on major issues in the subsequent contests with Hillary Clinton. At the same time, public opinion polls indicated that, with some minor exceptions, Obama supporters overwhelmingly identified with the left wing of the party -- and in particular, with the peace movement -- than did Clinton supporters.


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Stephen Zunes is a professor of Politics and chair of Middle Eastern Studies at the University of San Francisco and serves as a senior policy analyst for Foreign Policy in Focus.

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The Age of Obama
Posted by: Tom Degan on Nov 6, 2008 1:22 AM   
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The cliche is unavoidable. This is the dawn of a new age in America.

Welcome to the Age of Obama.

I feel like the Beatles at the end of the movie, "Yellow Submarine". Pepperland has been liberated from the Blue Meanies. Really, it's all too much for me to take.

Wake Up and Face the Dawn

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» RE: The Age of Obama Posted by: Centavo
» RE: The Age of Obama Posted by: peacefullaim
» RE: Almost Surreal isn't It???? Posted by: Purple Girl
one more thing....
Posted by: Tom Degan on Nov 6, 2008 1:29 AM   
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Not since Franklin D. Roosevelt entered the White House on MArch 4, 1933, has a president been bequeathed a bigger mess than that which President Obama faces....

"President Obama"....Pinch me, I must be dreaming....

....But of this you may be absolutely certain: His administration will be so far superior to the one which is about to mercifully end, even his failures will seem like successes.

Wake Up and Face the Dawn

Tom Degan
Goshen, NY

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» RE: one more thing.... Posted by: 2thepoint
» RE: one more thing.... Posted by: Fishbone Soldier
» RE: one more thing.... Posted by: 2thepoint
» RE: This cartoon says it all Posted by: Shehova
Rahm Emanuel, an Israeli-American multi-millionaire investment banker, is Obama's chief of staff
Posted by: Physiocrat on Nov 6, 2008 2:23 AM   
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CHANGE?

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We've got the "hope", but how do we get the "change"?
Posted by: -matti on Nov 6, 2008 2:41 AM   
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Not by waiting for middle-of-the-road Obama to fix everthing for us.

Not by hoping that a "benign monarch" will cure the ills of the outgoing "malignant" one.

Not by sitting back and letting the Dem leadership in Congress will finally start to work for the People.

The only way We the People are gonna get CHANGE -other than the kind that clinks- is to push our servants in Government to make it happen!

Luckily a national movement is now forming to organize the People -district by district- into lean, mean Congress-pushing machines, and get the legislation that we need now enacted in to Law.

Go to http://november5.org to find out more.

This is only the beginning, folks.

The pendulum has only just BEGUN to swing back our way.

Let's give it a helping hand, shall we?

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» Good points Posted by: -matti
» we make it Posted by: hurricane hugo
» RE: we make it Posted by: -matti
Presidential power
Posted by: kepstein7777 on Nov 6, 2008 4:07 AM   
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Scary, ironic words:
"[G]iven the power of the American president, even a small difference can make a big difference in the lives of millions of people."

A lot of people eager to get things done may not like hearing this, but if Obama really cares about the US over the long-term, and wants to leave a lasting legacy, he should do all he can to weaken the presidency and lock it into law. In the spirit of the mythical "Framers", restoring checks and balances, and making sure that whoever is president next time cannot become King George or King Dick should be the primary order of business.

Not very romantic, is it? I mean, wasn't LBJ a notorious bully who did a lot of good things for civil rights and poverty? FDR was pretty power-hungry too, despite some of the good things he did.

Of course, it will never happen. The tradition among most presidents has been to increase their powers, so they can get things done. Then temptations of power are too strong, even for a nice, clean-cut fella like Obama.

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» RE: Presidential power Posted by: Von
» agree... heard from Bush lately? Posted by: thistleblower
» RE: Presidential power Posted by: VZEQICVA
we can begin by understanding the baleful role of the Norman-English monarchy
Posted by: Suzon on Nov 6, 2008 4:08 AM   
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in American political life. Monarchists feel entitled because they have no way to logically defend how they got to the top of the heap--either they or their ancestors got there through raw power, threatening and taking lives.

Health insurance makes people die. Big Pharma makes them suffer. Agribusiness makes us ill. Corporations were granted charters to reward those who supported the monarchy founded by William the Conquerer in 1066 and still going strong today.

We have to understand the true story before we can rewrite it.

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Yes We can, And, Yes We Did, And Now, We Must...
Posted by: Abe on Nov 6, 2008 4:19 AM   
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Yes We can, And, Yes We Did, And Now, We Must......

Stand together as one Nation
Join our hands in harmony
Show the World what is possible
In this, Land of Liberty.

Realize the great importance
Of, the real history of this day
And know, the passing of this torch
Has forever, changed our way.

Demand, those promises be kept
Now that the campaign is done
Put the lobbyists in their place
And make the People, number one.

Take better care of our young
Raise the bar of their education
Make health care affordable to all
Control the cost of medication.

Keep promises made to Veterans
Take care, of those back from war
Strive for World peace and security
Because, that's what we stand for.

Secure our wide-open borders
Stop illegal people and the drugs
We must enforce our Rule of Law
To stop the traffickers and thugs.

Protect our worker's livelihoods
Quit sending their jobs, overseas
Make all those goods we buy, safe
Not let them sell us, what they please.

Provide for our senior citizens
And, help them live with dignity
Remember, when we are younger
That one day, that's who, we'll be.

Make sure no one goes hungry
Or, lives homeless on the street
To pass from this life unnoticed
From winter's cold or summer heat.

Take on our global warming
Be a leader for a sensible cure
End our fossil fuel dependence
Or, it might be the end, for sure.

Make sure all, pay their fair share
Put an end to Wall Street greed
Quit bailing out white collar thieves
For, jail time is what, they need.

Find a simple way to vote that works
So we can trust it will be counted
And you must vote to have a say
Or your complaints will be discounted.

Return to, "By and for the People"
We must get back, Freedoms lost
For, when our Rights slip away
That is by far, too high a cost.

Yes, we can and yes, we will
But each must do, our part in the cause
Change this Country back once more
To the greatness, that, once was.

Del "Abe" Jones
11.05.2008

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Obama- time for 9/11 truth and Bush/Cheney prosecution
Posted by: 911FalseFlag on Nov 6, 2008 5:01 AM   
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Of course, not having four more years of John (George Bush) McCain is a very good result. The fact that the neocons could not or did not hack the election is also very good news.

With that said, I do not consider myself to be cynical but only a realistic skeptic. If I know that:
1. there are gaping holes in the 9/11 official conspiracy theory and if anyone looked at, not only what happened on that day, but the political landscape leading up to that day, they would know that 9/11 was an inside job,
2. the only way to be sure that our votes are counted as they are cast is by using a paper ballot and at the current electronic voting machines are completely hackable and the transmission of the vote count from each precinct to the central tabulator is completely hackable,
4. the last two presidential elections was stolen by a voter suppression and computer fraud,
5. the Federal Reserve Bank is a private cartel of banks that operate as any other corporation with a profit motive, that every dollar that they print is lent to this government and in return the Federal Reserve Bank receives a US treasury bond which is a debt owed to the Federal Reserve Bank,
6. that George Bush and his administration intentionally lied to the Congress and the people of this country in order to attack Iraq to control its oil and the oil supply in the Middle East by US military continued presence,

Then the U.S. Congress knows this or is turning its back on this because at this point they are almost all complicit with the Bush administration and its agenda. It is my opinion that "the powers that be" are not the President and the U.S. Congress but the Secret Government talked about by Bill Moyers in his 1987 documentary that was aired on PBS. You can watch this video on the homepage of my website. This Secret Government is in bed with the military-industrial oil private central banking complex.

This Bush administration appointed many members of this Secret Government to positions of power. This Secret Government has grown, in conjunction with the military-industrial oil Central banking complex, since the creation of the CIA in the 1940s. This Secret Government planned and orchestrated 9/11 and the rest of the fascist takeover, under the cover of fear of terrorists, is there to be seen if anyone is willing to look at it.

The "powers that be" will never let the truth be told about 9/11, the Federal Reserve Bank, the stealing of elections by computer fraud end the lies told by the Bush administration to attack Afghanistan and Iraq.

History supports my contention. The truth has never been disseminated by the "powers that be", which now includes the mainstream media, about the Gulf of Tonkin lie to compel the US to attack Vietnam, FDR allowing Pearl Harbor to occur so the US would enter World War II, the CIA's overthrow and/or political assassination of any countries leader who would not succumb to the takeover of that country's resources by multinational corporations with the assistance of the World Bank and the international monetary fund, George HW Bush's lies to start the first Gulf War, George HW Bush's involvement in the Iran Contra affair, the assassinations JFK.RFK and King, the political assassinations of Clinton (although he is part of the "powers that be")Eliot Spitzer, Gary Hart and Ross Perot.

Obama will not promote any criminal prosecution of Bush. Just like Nixon and George H.W. Bush were let off the hook by their successors, Obama will do the same. Obama has said many things that clearly indicate that he believes in the validity of the war against terror.

I do not believe any significant changes will be made by Obama. Real change can only occur if it is not based and built upon lies that have never been officially admitted to.

www.911insidejob.net

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Show me
Posted by: snowhound on Nov 6, 2008 5:29 AM   
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So we supposedly have elcted the saviour of our country if you read believe all the hype surrounding Obama's election.
Ask yourselves this:
Is he going to repeal the Patriot Act and the Military Commisions Act?
Is he going to stop our practice of preemptive wars and pull out of Iraq or will he expand the wars into Afganistan and Pakistan?
Will he stop the missle defense program in Europe that undestandably is invoking Russia?
Will he put an end to corporate control over our government or will it be business as usual?
Will he end NAFTA and institute real free trade instead of continuing with regulated trade that enables big business to gain control?
Will he end government subsidies to agriculture which is responsible for GMO crops that are under the control of Big business?
Will he continue to bailout the banking system on the backs of the taxpayers?
Someone tell me what is he going to do??

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» RE: Show me Posted by: VZEQICVA
» RE: Show me Posted by: Von
Where does power lie
Posted by: wwsword on Nov 6, 2008 5:32 AM   
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Zunes makes a case for why Obama is different from other recent Democratic candidates. He ignores the essential truth that the greatest difference is that no Democratic candidate has even displayed greater disloyalty to those who brought him this far than Obama.

Zunes makes a case for why America is different today than when Clinton was elected. Zunes focuses on the character of those who voted Democratic. But the real difference is the degree to which corporations control the political machinery. We live in an era Roosevelt would have described as fascist. Indeed, the majority of American voters were just duped into voting for a corporate-manufactured American idol.

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Wow
Posted by: RedFoxOne on Nov 6, 2008 6:02 AM   
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Obama is clearly a well grounded man. Hopefully he will take his strong beliefs and ideas and turn this country back around. Dictator Bush and his Regime hve caused great damage and it may take some time, but if everyone works together, we can turn things around.

Jess
Online PRivacy when it Counts

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the 'Change' is DOA
Posted by: PakiBoy on Nov 6, 2008 6:09 AM   
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Just look at the names Obama is considering for his cabinet/staff appointments.

Some change!

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» RE: the 'Change' is DOA Posted by: VZEQICVA
Whilst much has been made of the "history-making" e(l)/(r)ection of November 4, 2008...
Posted by: ABetterFuture on Nov 6, 2008 6:28 AM   
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...I'd like to point out that that history is limited to:

a) voter turn-out
b) skin color

Otherwise, history simply repeated itself: the big-party clone who spent the most money in the election won the primary, and won the election. The principle of spending your way into office is as American as apple pie, and as time-tested.

Now, that's not really to take away from the huge turn-out, or to take away from folks that busy themselves over the melanin content of their peers, I bring this up just to perhaps inject a little history, for those who may have started their understanding of "history" and elections on November 3, 2008.

Good luck everyone--we now have (yet again) two branches of government operating in lock-step due to the two-party system we as an electorate have foolishly chosen. We can only hope that pushing through every democratic pipe-dream for the next 2/4 years isn't as lethally stupid as the ones under a republican legislative and executive branch that (almost) never said no to one another.

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» RE: McKinney Posted by: mr. joshua
Beware of the Lame Ducks
Posted by: reinaldok on Nov 6, 2008 7:21 AM   
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The election is over. Obama's resounding triumph. Millions are rejoicing. But just what are the Lame Ducks thinking. I, for one won't feel more secure until after January 20th, when the Bush gang is finally gone. Have we all collectively forgotten George H W Bush's absurd ordered incursion into Somalia on December 4th, 1992? One month after he was trounced by Bill Clinton and everyone was awaiting the start of a new era. The very lame duck Bush - sent 20,000 troops into Somalia, as he stated at that time to do "God's Work". Are sonny Bush and his cohorts planning something similar - Iran - Georgia - Syria ??? Who knows.
But we must keep our guard up.

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» RE: Beware of the Lame Ducks Posted by: Longdream
dick
Posted by: rtmyth on Nov 6, 2008 7:55 AM   
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Expect more of the same, the War Party is in control, as usual. The appointment of neo-con Emanuel, an ardent Israel-firster and supporter of more wars in the middle-east, gives a hint of what is to come.

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Now What?
Posted by: Axiom69 on Nov 6, 2008 8:57 AM   
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A Democrat in the White House. Democrats in control of the House and Senate. What the hell are we gonna bitch about here on Alternet? What are we gonna do without Bush? Who are we gonna blame everything on? (sniff) Say goodbye to the good 'ole days.

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» RE: Now What? Posted by: VZEQICVA
Why I’m voting Democrat—Fight William F. Carling posts Part I
Posted by: Overburdened Planet on Nov 6, 2008 9:09 AM   
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(All responses below were found on the Internet):

I'm voting Democrat because I'm way too irresponsible to own a gun, and I know that my local police are all I need to protect me from murderers and thieves.
Obama ran an ad saying he believed in the Second Amendment and he would protect the right of Americans to own guns and is in favor of background checks, even at gun shows, to stop sales of handguns and automatic weapons to convicted felons, something the NRA doesn't want to restrict.

If you're an NRA member or a criminal you have a lot to fear from Obama's stand on assault weapons, armor piercing bullets, and background checks. If you're a law-abiding citizen or law-enforcement officer, you'll have no problem with Obama. It's no wonder that police officers support Obama by a 3 to 1 margin.

I'm voting Democrat because I love the fact that I can now marry whatever I want. I've decided to marry my horse.
I'm voting Republican because Jesus loves you and shares your hatred of homosexuals and Hillary Clinton.

I love the fact that consenting adults can make those decisions without you imposing your religious will on them.... you know, like the CONSTITUTION SAYS.

Uh, bestiality is a farmer thing, as in republicans mostly. In fact, one republican politician (can't recall his name at the moment; Google it) admitted to having sex with farm animals in an interview and said that it's common growing up on a farm.

I'm voting Republican because a woman can't be trusted with decisions about her own body, but multi-national corporations can make decisions affecting all mankind without regulation.

I'm voting Republican because if condoms are kept out of schools, adolescents won't have sex.

I'm voting Republican because group sex and drug use are degenerate sins unless you someday run for governor of California as a Republican.

I'm voting Republican because being a drug addict is a moral failing and a crime, unless you're a conservative radio host. Then it's an illness and you need our prayers for your recovery.

I'm voting Democrat because I believe oil companies' profits of 4% on a gallon of gas are obscene but the government taxing the same gallon of gas at 15% isn't.
I'm voting Republican because "Standing Tall for America" means firing your workers and moving their jobs to India.

I'm voting Republican because what Bill Clinton did in the 1960s is of vital national interest, but what Bush did in the '80s is irrelevant.

I'm voting Republican because the public has a right to know about Hillary's cattle trades, but George Bush's driving record is none of our business.

I'm voting Democrat because I believe the government will do a better job of spending the money I earn than I would.
I'm voting Republican because Government should relax regulation of Big Business and Big Money but crack down on individuals who use marijuana to relieve the pain of illness.

I'm voting Republican because HMOs and insurance companies have the interest
of the public at heart.

If you're complaining about Obama's tax plan then you make over $250k a year, and so you're just being selfish while mothers can't feed their babies. Guess you're not a Christian republican.

I'm voting Democrat because freedom of speech is fine as long as nobody is offended by it.
You just like to offend and don't want your "right" to be offensive taken away. Don't worry. It's not as if anyone could stop you.

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Why I’m voting Democrat—Fight William F. Carling posts Part II
Posted by: Overburdened Planet on Nov 6, 2008 9:10 AM   
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I'm voting Democrat because when we pull out of Iraq I trust that the bad guys will stop what they're doing because they now think we're good people.
I'm voting Republican because a good way to fight terrorism is to belittle our long-time allies, then demand their cooperation and money.

I'm voting Republican because Saddam was a good guy when Reagan armed him, a
bad guy when Bush's daddy made war on him, a good guy when Cheney did business with him and a bad guy when Bush needed a "we can't find Bin Laden" diversion.

I'm voting Republican because the best way to improve military morale is to praise the troops in speeches while slashing veterans' benefits and combat pay.

I'm voting Republican because providing health care to all Iraqis is sound policy. Providing health care to all Americans is socialism.

I'm voting Republican because a president lying about an extramarital affair is an impeachable offense. A president lying to enlist support for a war in which thousands die is solid defense policy.

I'm voting Democrat because I believe that people who can't tell us if it will rain on Friday CAN tell us that the polar ice caps will melt away in ten years if I don't start driving a Prius.
I'm voting Republican because global warming and tobacco's link to cancer are junk science, but creationism should be taught in schools.

Or perhaps it's because we're actually pro-life instead of pro-birth. Or maybe even that, again, your ilk shouldn't be allowed to impose their religious beliefs on others.

Well, from this BMW driving lib... I think it's more because we think climate change isn't "just God hugging us closer".

Chaos mathematics is inherently unpredictable, while polar ice melting is directly measureable. You no get science, huh?

I'm voting Democrat because I'm not concerned about the slaughter of millions of babies so long as we keep all death row inmates alive.
Until you all offer to adopt all those unwanted babies, and until you CHRISTIANS stop having MOST of the abortions (Over 80 percent I believe) we can discount you as not credible in this matter.

I'm voting Democrat because I believe that business should not be allowed to make profits for themselves. They need to break even and give the rest away to the government for redistribution as THEY see fit.
I'm voting Republican because trade with Cuba is wrong because the country is communist, but trade with China and Vietnam is vital to a spirit of international harmony.

I'm voting Democrat because I believe liberal judges need to rewrite the Constitution every few days to suit some fringe kooks who would NEVER get their agendas past the voters.
Like the Intelligent Design movement for example.

I'm voting Republican because Government should limit itself to the powers
named in the Constitution, which include banning gay marriages and censoring
the Internet.

Or perhaps it's because people who know nothing about the Constitution shouldn't rework judicial review which has existed since Marbury v Madison.

I'm voting Democrat because my head is so firmly planted up my @#% it's unlikely that I'll ever have another point of view.
This is the classic pot calling the kettle black.

'A Liberal is a person who will give away everything they don't
own' - William F. Carling

A liberal might take some of your money, but a conservative will kill you dead and party with the profits made from selling your bones to a fertilizer company. Besides, in Buckley's day there were actual, real conservatives left.

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My Hope
Posted by: opmoc on Nov 6, 2008 9:54 AM   
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Most of The Entire World Is Still SINGING and Elated that The People of The United States of America have Elected Barack Obama as Their President.

It is a Completely Phenomenal Achievement that is Still Spreading Like Wildfire Throughout The Deepest Most Remote Parts of Africa and ALL The World.

It is something that seemed totally impossible - but it has happened.

The Support is Worldwide and it is as if a MIRACLE has happened.

Such an ENORMOUS Spiritual and Emotional support has never before occurred in the History of the Human Race.

I just hope he Loves all The People of The World as Much as They Love Him

And Delivers on His Promises of Change

What REALLY Attracted Me Personally to Barack Obama was what his Wife Michelle said

On some intro at some political meeting about a year ago

It was about ENDING The Politics of FEAR

She just took My Heart about how she described what her husband was all about

I just hope he can deliver the Mandate that the entire World has given him

This goes far beyond whatever and whoever the people in America who financed his campaign are and what they want from him

We are all human - and basically we are all the same. Sure we have cultural and religious differences - but they are irrelevant to our basic goodness. Travel and you will find how nice we are. We are just human. And we respect each other.

We are coming together.

All We Are Saying is Give Peace a Chance.

Tony

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» RE: My Hope Posted by: VZEQICVA
» RE: My Hope Posted by: opmoc
Ok, this one's too early to tell and even Obama is honest enough to admit that nothing's gonna be
Posted by: maxpayne on Nov 6, 2008 10:09 AM   
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quick. I gotta admit. I get sick and tired of quickie fixes which end up causing more problems than solving in the long run. And by the way, my wife and I gave up Nader and voted Obama because we could help but wonder that just maybe a calm and cool headed pol might be worth giving a chance. Let's see how he pans it out over the 4 years and then make judgements as his decisions come through. Yes, I'm still not happy about Obama's voting record in the Senate where he flipped to the GOP but since he has a chance to now lead and push for a change in direction for the better, he has 4 years to pass the test and we'll be watching like a hawk.

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» Yeah Max! Posted by: Drclaw
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I've read all of these...
Posted by: Yesican on Nov 6, 2008 10:14 AM   
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and they all seem to reflect hope and expectations. Let's drop the expectations for now and really think and dream about what WE can do.
Obama's campaign has shown that he knows how to pick good people. He's shown he will listen (that is a big change) he understands and uses technology. He is very intelligent. He reads.

He is not going to do all we want by himself! He will lead us, and help us to do it ourselves.

I believe we finally have a real statesman to lead us. I will bet he makes it possible to communicate our ideas to him, too. Let's not idolize him (although it's tempting) let's help him!

Also let's remember he's not God (or the devil) or Superman he's a human being and will make mistakes and get tired and discouraged at times. Thankfully he has a wonderful family to support him. I think Michelle Obama is a real bonus.

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Just the beginning...
Posted by: kk33deg on Nov 6, 2008 10:19 AM   
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I love it. A few months ago, one of my best friends, who describes himself as a "Zen Marxist", said that something was just a plot to get lefties arguing among themselves. He agreed readily with my response: like ANYONE has ever had to do ANYTHING to get the left bickering with itself instead of focusing on where the agreements are and working towards solidarity so that change can actually be accomplished.

Just one question for those posting all the negatives about Obama: I had already worked well over a full work week at Obama HQ in Houston between Saturday morning and Tuesday when the party got going. Now I am back at my day job so that I can pay my bills. When was the last time that YOU did anything positive for the world besides sit in front of your computer and post to Alternet? Just curious.

The simple facts are that this IS an event of historic proportions and that Obama won by appealing to the best in people and McCain lost by appealing to the worst in people. Even if you view Obama as part of the problem (I personally don't), please be optimistic. NO desirable change in history has been brought about overnight - it is always baby step punctuated by an occasional big leap I would submit to all that the US electing Barack Hussein Obama president is one such leap.

Best,
Austin from Houston

"TALK - ACTION = 0"
- DOA

"We must always seek to ally ourselves with that part of the enemy that knows what is right"
-Mahatma Gandhi

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Could this be real?
Posted by: sportypat on Nov 6, 2008 10:49 AM   
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My progressive soul has always been very cynical regarding what is possible under the current political stucture but I must admit an overwhelming sense of optimism and dare I say "hope" for what is now possible with obama. Obama built a political machine from ground up that revolutionized the way to campaign and fund raise. I may not be happy with every move he makes but for the first time in my adult life I feel certain about obama's intentions to move this country forward.

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Shadow governments and this Presidential election
Posted by: George DeCarlo on Nov 6, 2008 10:59 AM   
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A question asked of me: What did you say about shadow governments George? GaryinNH

George H.W. Bush signed the Copenhagen Document of the Helsinki Accords calling for equality for all political parties. The US has still not met this obligation under that international agreement. So I find US presidential elections sad due to their purposely having only two possible candidates from two political parties that have virtually no differences between them. The illusion serves its purpose so everyone gets excited and then reality sets in after the president starts satisfying the needs of the elite with a different flavor for the next four years.

So with Obama there will only be some fluff change for the washed and unwashed masses with his handlers representing the Bilderberg Conference and other associated elite organizations close behind. Brezinski has been there and his economic advisors (two from U of Chicago and the other from Harvard supporting privatizing Social Security) gave me the hint as to where this was really going. Yes, there are disagreements amongst the elite but they may now rest assured no substantial change will take place.

Obama does not support Full Equal Rights for Gays and Lesbians that makes him a bigot. So his heart must be feeling good that California is voting no to a human right for Gays and Lesbians. YES, in the United States of America, land of the free and the brave, electing a possible non-"natural born" person president - www.obamacrimes.com , Gays and Lesbians have their human rights approved of by the majority of voters. Recall that this is supposed to be a republic since the Founders never wanted a democracy due to mob rule. Franklin's concern was correct, we could not keep it.

George

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End heterosexual oppression of Gays, Lesbians and Bisexuals - support full equal rights!

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Everyone Should Learn To Swim and Take Up Free Diving
Posted by: opmoc on Nov 6, 2008 11:27 AM   
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Because then you can actually experience More than what you normally do on this planet which is moving your body and its perception of the World around you Left and Right

You can Also Go Up and Down

Or you could try Gliding

Now it will slowly be sinking in to Barack Obama

Oh Fuck

They all Think I am BLACK

And we say no - we think you are GOD

(Only Joking)

Tony

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So Obama Is Going To Be Surrounded By All These CFR Rich Types Shaking His Hand And Obama
Posted by: opmoc on Nov 6, 2008 12:06 PM   
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Just Gets on a Plane

And Lands in Kenya

And Then He Knows

That He Has Also Been Elected

President of Africa

And Then

He Just Gets on Another Plane

etc

Sure He Has Got a Tough Job

I Don't think He Realises Yet

Tony

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So All The American Soldiers Sat In All Their Peace Bases All Over The World Are Thinking....
Posted by: opmoc on Nov 6, 2008 12:31 PM   
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And All The American People Working Their Butts Off All Over America Manufacturing Weapons of Mass Destruction

Are Thinking

Well

What Do We Do Now?

Well How About Manufacturing Some Exceedingly Basic Water Pumps and Pipes

And Getting The American Army To Supply

FRESH WATER

Across the World

To The People Who Elected

PRESIDENT OBAMA

If America wants to Be Forgiven

Then America Has To Earn That Forgiveness

Which Mean Actually HELPING People Across The World To Escape From Poverty

The Entire System Needs Doing

Not Just Pumping Shit into the Sea

(Check out Palolem - In Southern India - Flushing Toilets - But Done on The Cheap - No Filtration - So all The Shit Goes Into The Sea - The Probaly English Hippies Actually Made The Environment Worse

It was better when the Sea was Clear and The Pigs Ate Their Shit Staright from The Latrine in the Back

If You Are Going To Do a Job - Then Do it Properly

And Ask The Locals First = Not The Fucking Government Based Thousands of Miles Away

Tony

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BO and American empire
Posted by: spanky on Nov 6, 2008 4:21 PM   
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In his victory speech, BO said:
"Even as we stand here tonight, we know there are brave Americans waking up in the deserts of Iraq and the mountains of Afghanistan to risk their lives for us."

In my mind, very important question – Who is the "us" he is referring to? It ain't me.

I am pretty excited about BO's election for a number of reasons, but ultimately I cannot really get behind a prez who does not talk about dismantling the murderous American empire.

A new era can only begin when we redirect the energy and resources which are now channeled into death, destruction and exploitation, toward fixing our problems at home, and funding reparations abroad.

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» Of course it's you........ Posted by: gellero1
I sincerely hope that obama keeps clear of the zionist and english influence from his govt of US.
Posted by: avatar_singh on Nov 6, 2008 4:32 PM   
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and I wish obama all the best. but please donot get carried away.
see this article..

http://www.counterpunch.org/sainath11062008.html

November 6, 2008
But Still Behind the Global Curve
A Magic Moment

By P. SAINATH

Barack Obama's victory is a truly significant moment in American politics. Hugely so. However, the "Only in America" or "What a great nation we are" stuff needs a res.As also the overblown conclusions from what should be seen as a genuine moment of joy. Perhaps it's only in America this could take 232 years.

All major South Asian nations, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Pakistan and India have had women prime ministers (Sri Lanka and India very early in their independent history). Nobody argues though, that this reflects the status or liberation of women in that region.

And diversity? India today has an upper-caste Hindu woman as President. A dalit (former Untouchable) as chief justice of its Supreme Court. A Muslim for Vice-President. A Sikh for Prime Minister. And the leader of its biggest - and ruling - political party, the Congress, is Sonia Gandhi, a Catholic from Italy. The Speaker of Parliament is a godless Communist.

India's most famous war hero (and the only one to make Field Marshal rank) who died this year was a Parsi (of Zoarastrian faith). Sikhs (Prime Minister Manmohan Singh) account for less than two per cent of the population. Muslims (Veep Hamid Ansari) 13.4 per cent. Dalits (Chief Justice Balakrishnan) 16.2 per cent and Parsis are the tiniest of minorities - less than 100,000 in a population of one billion plus.Roman Catholics from Italy -- we have just one and she is the mosttpowerful politcian in the country.

Incidentally, the last President of India was a dalit. No, this does not prove anything positive about the status of those communities. It does mean, though, that the US, far from being unique, is an awful latecomer to representation of minorities.

That said, a nation has gone against its historical record. Risen above its worst prejudices in one, emotional, incandescent moment. Well, at least partly, and for a while. Americans have voted in larger numbers than they have in decades, perhaps ever. Millions of younger voters have been fired by the youthful senator they have chosen to send to the White House. The African-American President-elect did far better with White male voters than fellow-Democrat John Kerry did four years ago. Barack Obama won the majority of the votes of those who said Race was an important issue in the election. He did the same amongst those who said it was not. It was a historic shift. One that altered America's political arena on November 4. A small step for the world, a giant leap for America.

The burden of expectations that Barack Obama finds himself saddled with is daunting. He also inherits two wars (estimated final cost $ 3 trillion) that are going badly. A national debt of $ 10 trillion -- and growing - will be his constant companion. He's looking at two million families who could lose their homes in the mortgage meltdown. At job losses that are setting records. And there is a lot more of hardship to follow, including the credit card crisis, yet really to hit home. The greatest names in US automobile history could be just that -- names in history -- going down for the last time while he is President. He also has to engage with a Wall Street and Corporate America still clinging to their discredited clout and holding the economy to ransom.

And he rides to power on a promise of "Change we can believe in." Not the nicest of situations to run up against as you step into the White House. Failure for Obama would mean falling off a much higher cliff. And some of the problems facing him are not of the kind you can fix with bright slogans or personal goodwill.

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Enough with the fairy tale BS
Posted by: teel on Nov 6, 2008 4:32 PM   
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Why is it that americans cling to this mindset that the right president will magically solve all their problems? It's the typical hollywood film, underdog beats the system bla bla bla.

Your country is BROKE, that's the only thing you should be concerning yourselves with at this point. You have NO MORE MONEY. There isn't much Obama can do because the real medicine required to cure this disease is one that the inhabitants will refuse to take.

You are buying shit you do not need, using money that you do not have. That has been and continues to be the fundamental problem and I see nothing that will change that. Real change? Yes we can? First of all, if your life depends on who is in the white house then you've made some serious mistakes in setting up your circumstances. Secondly the actions needed to help the US get out of it's rut are and have always been in your hands.

Save money
Educate yourself
Get a job that pays the money you need for your lifestyle
Avoid credit and loans like the plague
Enjoy the thing in life that don't involve VISA

Seriously, what does any of you think the new superstar is going to do with a tanked economy for which no one is willing to take responsibility? You fate is in your hands, always was. No president will help you out of this, you will so quit #€% procrastinating and DO what you need to do already.

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YES WE CAN!!
Posted by: left_libertarian on Nov 6, 2008 4:38 PM   
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Yes We Can Arrest Bush and Cheney

Yes We Can immediately withdraw all US troops from Iraq

Yes We Can Legalize all Drugs

Yes We Can overturn the Patriot Act

Yes We Can overturn FISA

Yes We Can Shut Down the IRS

Yes We Can shut down all US overseas Military Bases

Yes We Can Yes We Can Yes We Can Yes We Can Yes We Can Yes We Can Yes We Can!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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liamm99
Posted by: liam99 on Nov 6, 2008 5:23 PM   
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I think the Democratic loss of Congress in 1994 was much more attributable to Clinton and many Dems refusing to remain loyal to the base that put them in office than any so-called "gingrich revolution". Clinton backed down on everything the far right objected to, from gays in the military to inner city funding for summer jobs to healthcare reform. When the people who hated him and were never going to support him objected in the slightest to his nominations for post in the cabinet to people like Jocelyn Elders he buckled. WHY? They never were going to support him and never did. Instead, they smelled blood and attacked him more viciously than ever(impeachment). Meanwhile, people like me were turned off, and though i still voted in 1994, i did not vote for my Democratic congressman, who tried to play the same game. We just got rid of the jack--s who replace him this election.
Unforturely, i saw some of the same weakness in Barack with this apologizing for everybody he knew when they said something the righties didn't like. Barack, don't go down that road. We won't follow you there.

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Posted by: opmoc on Nov 6, 2008 5:44 PM   
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And Sure I Know My Wife is Suffering From Enormous Back Pain

She was writhing in Pain All Last Night

She Wasn't Faking it

I Know The Kind of Pain that Makes You Cry in The Night

But Its Only Backache From Spending 3 Hours Planting Flowers In The Garden

And Then Doing 5 Hours Yoga

I Mean What The Fuck Did She Expect?

Her Back is Over 50 Years Old

She Might Still Look 35

But The Muscles and Bones Know



My Wife Julie Is Something Special - She Comes Over With Being The Shyest Person In The World with her Shy Little Smile - But KNOWS Absolutely Everyone and Their Personal History and All Their Family and Recall The Most Intimate Details of The People She Meets - The Most Intricate and Complicated Details

Computers Eat Your Heart Out

She Doesn't Do Them

Well Not Much

She Doesn't Need To

EVERYONE LOVES HER TO BITS

Tony

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» RE: .Give her my love Posted by: Yesican
I Just Think The Really Poor People Of The World Deserve a Bit Of Justice and Help
Posted by: opmoc on Nov 6, 2008 6:00 PM   
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I Don't Know How to Make it Happen

But I Think The Election of Barak Obama is a Step in The Right Direction

Love and Peace,

Tony

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My Wife and I Do Not Have a Problem With Going Completely NAKED On Beaches All Over The World Where
Posted by: opmoc on Nov 6, 2008 6:21 PM   
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The Practice of Being Naked is Socially Acceptable

And Covering Up Our Bodies and Sharing Our NAKED Love and Humility in Muslim Countrries Where the Local Blokes Really Want To See My Wife's Naked Bum

They Can Travel To Brighton Beach or Mykonos if They Are That Interested

Its Basically The Same as Any Young Slim Female With a Tight Bum

She Doesn't Give it ALL Away - and Whilst She Might Do The Breast Stroke

Her Legs Are Completely Mermaid

Its Just Like a Flipper Going Up And Down

She Only Opens Her Legs For Me and When She is Giving Birth

10

Tony

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And So Here Are Some Naked Pictures of What We Have Done To The People of Iraq
Posted by: opmoc on Nov 6, 2008 6:49 PM   
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http://mindprod.com/politics/iraqwarpix.html

We Did This

Tony

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So Far As I Am Aware The Queen of England Is Only Guilty Of Allowing British Involvement In The Iraq
Posted by: opmoc on Nov 6, 2008 7:45 PM   
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War

I have no evidence against her - but I am completely CERTAIN That if Proncess Diana Had Still Been Alive

That The Queen of England Would Not Have Signed Tony Blair's Article Of WAR

Princess Diana Would Have Told Tony Blair

To FUCK OFF

Before He Ever Got Near

Us British Love Our Royalty

But They Are Not Beyond Questioning and Interrogation To Find The Truth

I Expect English Royalty And All Their Friends To Be Put On Trial For

War Crimes Against Humanity

We Need To Find The TRUTH

I Don't Think The Queen of ENGLAND Is Guilty

But She Needs To Start Answering Some Rather STRONG Questions

Tony

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Getting Tony Blair On Trial For War Crimes Against Humanity Will Happen Soon
Posted by: opmoc on Nov 6, 2008 8:04 PM   
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We Might Even Beat Barack Obama Getting Dick Cheney of Trial

And Donald Rumsfeld

And George Bush

All These War Crimes Trials Are Going To Happen Soon

We Need To Do The Interrogations To Find Out Who The Real War Criminals Are

These Guys Are Just The Puppets

Tony

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I Believe in America
Posted by: timbottoms on Nov 6, 2008 8:44 PM   
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I'm a proud Canadian, but I'm so proud of the U.S. right now it's almost indescribable. That Obama won proves to me that ANYTHING is possible in America. Maybe in 2016, we'll have a Libertiarian president!

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LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL
Posted by: gellero1 on Nov 6, 2008 9:02 PM   
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As I said before.............'Plus ca change, plus la meme chose'.

That's French.......for those who need a hint.

Sen. Obama is a neophyte in foreign affairs. So who did you expect to advise him? Jesse Jackson?? Of course it's the old Democratic power structure......."Change We Can Believe In"..........as if !!

Nope....the power structure is and has been in place. Obama will not remove any troops from Iraq. Why would he? Because he promised?

He has yet to meet with the Saudi and Israeli power structure ( except for photo opps ) who want the troops to remain. That's power.......not celebrity personality ala Ophra and Jesse Jackson.

Don't kid your deluded yourselves. Senator Obama comes from no money or influence.....just a great personality. And a lot of idealism.

Can't wait until he 're-examines NAFTA' ( as he promised ). But I won't hold my breath. He flip flopped and lied throughout the campaign. His acolytes and sycophants choose to ignore it, blinded by their pathological hatred of Pres. Bush.

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Racism Is No Longer Cool, For Starters
Posted by: bessie on Nov 6, 2008 10:36 PM   
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Obama's election is huge. From someone who personally dealt with racism, growing up in Indy, as a white kid in an integrated school - when noone could call the election in Indiana - that was huge. Home of the KKK. Just wow. So all you nay sayers about Obama- some of you sound just like the ones about MLK. It's a fairy tale, he's a fake, he's a pinko. OMG. Obama's take on America and us as a people is incredible. The idea that this is your typical politics at work with the usual fakery is absurd. Yeah - Obama is a superstar in the very sense of an FDR. Sad deal is that many of us have no real idea about FDR. Who brought electricity to the rural areas of America? People who brought themselves up by their bootstraps? Oh really. it's time for a real push forward towards knowledge in our history, geography, and political understanding. Ignorance is our real enemy and thankfully the most disturbing current example of this is now in Alaska destined to fade from our collective memory. But the fight continues, as always, against ignorance towards the collective good. And we have created a mandate here for Obama and he's no fool. The MSM keeps trying to say that we are now 'center right" and yet I remember them just a short while ago trying to submarine Obama with Rev. Wright. When we come together & unite over the stuff that matters Obama will respond. As he keeps saying we are the ones we have been waiting for. Well, I can't believe it but we are the ones that just said that racism is no longer cool. And we prevailed.

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Obama better not squander his political capital
Posted by: stev90 on Nov 6, 2008 11:18 PM   
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Barack Obama and the Democrats have been given a widespread mandate by the American people.

He shouldn't make the mistake of squandering the political capital gained by him and his party in this election as well as the momentum.

The American people expect nothing short of him to deliver the promises he and the Democrats made during his campaign. Getting OUT of Iraq for starters, as well as jobs and healthcare.

Otherwise, a fate similar to George Bush and the Republicans awaits them. They will be booted off.

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A step towards reform
Posted by: PaulD on Nov 7, 2008 5:19 PM   
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One step towards bringing people together would be for progressives to apologize for claiming that America is a racist nation. This historic election has proven otherwise.

Progressives also need to censure those who continue to spread this particularly sickening falsehood. Reforming the nation can start with reforming this.

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