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Daring to Dream of a Black President
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Maya Angelou, novelist: 'If he wins, it means my country has agreed to grow up'
I never thought I'd see a black president in the White House in my lifetime. I didn't even dare dream it. I feel like a child approaching Christmas, you can't believe election day is finally here. It's been so long since we've had people -- Asian and black, white and Spanish-speaking -- come together and say YES. Some did during the civil rights struggle but not as many as today. What it means if Mr Obama is voted in, is that my country has agreed to grow up, and move beyond the childish idea that human beings are different.
I'm talking to friends in the UK, in Italy, in China who can't vote, who cannot press anything other than the point home, so I know the world is watching. We have lain so long in the undergrowth of ignorance. Can we really be saved from the rage of consumerism where we identify ourselves by our spending: 'I'm a shopper'. What kind of stupidness is that? Buying things we cannot afford and do not need.
I'm no prophet, I'm no seer, I'm a beseecher -- so I have been out to thump the drum for Mr Obama. I started out in Senator Hillary Clinton's camp and I thumped the drum for her.
When it was proven that the majority of people wanted Senator Obama, she stepped out of the race and began to thump the drum for him, and so did I.
I think he has simply proven to everybody that he is very intelligent -- and by that I'm referring to what used to be called common sense, which is terribly uncommon these days. You can see him thinking before he speaks, which should be a presidential prerequisite but rarely is. Most of the candidates all the way back, save for two or three, seem to just punch a button. There's a question and they punch number seven and out comes an answer, which had been stored up.
Senator Obama has proven that he knows how to be a president to all the people, not just the rich and mighty, not just to whites, not just to blacks, but all the people. I'm so excited, the excitement can hardly be contained. How will I be spending election night? On my knees. Maybe getting off them to have a very nice Scotch and then getting back down on my knees again.
Toni Morrison, novelist: 'Things are different now. A lot of white people are different'
This election is critical, vital to more than just people in the United States. It's going to make a big, big difference which way it goes. The worst thing is not Senator Obama losing, it's who wins. I am encouraged by the polls and by him but I have lived long enough to know that elections have been systematically stolen. Luckily, I think everybody knows that and is sending about 5,000 lawyers to the polls.
I don't believe in the Bradley Effect -- there were a lot of reasons he lost. And this time is different. First of all the country is different. Secondly he's different. And thirdly a lot of white people are different. Several weeks ago I read about the Reverse Bradley Effect, where whites down in the south say they are voting Republican because of their neighbours!
I think the situation is dire, I cannot think of a large issue where things are going right, and Senator Obama will have an extremely difficult time. But there are two things that one should remember. The first is a cliché, but he himself has said it, 'It's not about me, it's about other people'. He cannot do it on his own, he needs the force of those who voted for him. The second thing -- and one of the reasons I really respect him -- is that he surrounds himself with really smart people, and not just smart people that say what he wants to hear. He likes the dialogue, the questioning, the one who tells him the truth as opposed to the one who strokes ego.
I think the promise with Senator Obama is that we return to an idea known as "the common good" and we have not had that in eight years. I mean, you can't get sick in America, you will be bankrupt. This administration has been very clear in its assumption that privatisation is best. There are jails where you have to pay room and board, you get into debt and when you get out you have to pay it back. And some people who do not have means to borrow go out and steal again. I know that the Democrats are more inclined to take the right position and not regard taxes on the extremely rich as some sort of insult to them.
What am I going to do on election night? I have three choices: I can go to some friends; I was invited to go on a TV show; but I think under the bed may yet prove the safest place to be.
Samuel L Jackson, Actor: 'There's been a warrior culture here. It's time that ended'
We have been through eight years of pretty much lunacy and madness. In America, we have tended to think that we are the greatest living things on the planet and our leadership has exemplified that. There's been a sort of warrior culture here, and it's time that ended. Obama is the president to take us to the next place. He's not part of the establishment, number one. He doesn't have that sense of entitlement that others have had. What he does have is a sense of empathy for people who are on the lower rung of society and he doesn't want to give the people with all the money all the breaks.
It's not just about what an Obama victory will mean to the African American community, it's for the nation in general. It means something for the little Asian kid, or the little Hispanic kid, for everybody of a different origin than Anglo-American. It actually means that the lie that they told us all these years -- that you can grow up to be anything you want to be in America, even the president -- might actually be true now. Until this election, it was just a fantasy -- you had to be white to be president. The closest we got to it was when Jimmy Smits was elected president on the West Wing or Morgan Freeman being president on screen.
I grew up in the segregated South, and there's probably still two generations who grew up next to "Whites Only" signs. We were part of that time in America when we were second-class citizens, so no, I didn't expect to see this in my lifetime. It's really wonderful and revelatory in terms of how far we have come so fast. And hopefully it will signify a major change in how we are perceived in the world community. Obama represents what we hope America can be.
But I will not be comfortable until 5 November. I was in the UK for the 2000 election. When I went to bed in Liverpool that night, Bush had lost, when I woke up the next morning Bush had won. Until I go to Obama's inauguration in January, I won't really believe it. And I'm definitely going, I've made hotel reservations already.
Jesse Jackson, civil rights leader: 'I just wish Martin Luther King was here to share the joy'
It will be the sixth time I've voted for Barack Obama. When he ran for the State Senate I voted for him in the primary and the general; when he ran for the US Senate I voted for him in the primary and the general; and in his run for the presidency I voted for him in the primary and will be voting for him in the general. I will spend election day on the phone, encouraging people to go out and vote. I will not be letting up until the polls close.
Our struggle in America for civil rights started out with the right to vote and now Mr Obama is on the doorstep of the White House. We got the right to vote in 1965, that's 43 years ago, and we have kept evolving over those years. America is a country that continues to grow, it's maturing. This election says to Europe, Africa and Asia that democracy is real and that we must rise above limitations of race and gender to achieve our purpose.
The people of America are ready for a black president now. Senator Obama's race is self-evident, he didn't make an issue out of it. He's reached out to people across the divide and had universal appeal by focussing on the real issues.
There's a great sense of joy. I just wish Dr [Martin Luther] King were here to share it. He would be overjoyed. But he would also know that we have challenges beyond the election. He would be proud of where we are but he would remind us that we are not all the way there yet, until we wipe out poverty and illiteracy and end these unnecessary wars.
Jay-Z, rapper
Rosa Parks sat so that Martin Luther King could walk. Martin Luther King walked so that Obama could run. Obama's running so that we all can fly. I can't wait until 5 November and I'm going to say 'Hello, Brother President'. I can't tell you who to vote for. All I can do is tell you to vote."
Spike Lee, director
I say it's very simple, we have BB, "before Barack," and AB, "after Barack."
This coalition that he's got: black, white, Hispanic, Asian, gay, straight, whatever. It's come together and this has never been done before and I think this thing is preordained or whatever we want to call it. I'm not going to say it's God, but this is not a mistake, this is happening now. He's here when his country is at it's lowest in many many years.
Even though I live in Manhattan, I still vote out of Brooklyn, so 4 November I'm going to be the first in line in Brooklyn. Then I'm going to get a flight to Chicago and I'll be there all day.
Tiger Woods, Golfer
I've seen him speak. He's extremely articulate, very thoughtful, I'm just impressed at how well, basically all politicians really do, how well they think on their feet. Especially those debates. It's pretty phenomenal to see them get their point across. But I just think that he's really inspired a bunch of people in our country and we'll see what happens down the road.
Alonzo Mourning, basketball player
I need to be part of this because this is part of the history of our nation and I do have a voice in the community -- I have a presence and it's beautiful to be able to use it on behalf of something I believe in. Some athletes worry something like this might affect their sponsorship deals, but I'm not afraid. Obama has given real leadership. I'm not ashamed to say I'm with him all the way.
Stevie Wonder, musician
He's a combination of JFK and Martin Luther King. With that, he can't lose. I see a time when we will have a united people of the United States. And that is why I support Barack Obama.
James Blake, tennis player
I am proud. I am very proud of Barack Obama. I believe in him and I believe that he will do good things for this country. I hope the country gives him that opportunity.
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Posted by: Mister_PsyOps on Nov 4, 2008 1:09 AM
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This jejune statement is unworthy of the times. The same can be said of others including Jesse Jackson pretending to speak for Martin Luther King.
Doctor King was the antithesis of nearly everything Barack Obama stands for. King was a true challenger of Organized Corporate Crime rule and its blood money war state that literally bankrolled Obama’s campaign and promoted him every step of the way. With de facto Fascist handlers Robert Rubin, Rothschild ally George Soros and Zbigniev Brzezinski lockstep behind Obama, the comparison to Martin Luther King is a Wall Street martial law FISA travesty under genocide 9/11 “war on terror” of a thousand lies .
If Obama wins – and no doubt he will – the old Fascist ruling class will have its best Trojan show horse and decoy yet. A person of color that amounts to hardly more than a stooge actor groomed to pretend to lead a nation ruled under the kind of tyrants that Martin Luther King, Ghandi and Frederick Douglas gave their lives to openly defy and condemn.
The only person of color in the race that deserves to represent justice and anything like real hope is Cynthia Mckinney who tirelessly crusaded for a real investigation into 9/11 coverup, impeachment of the Bush regime, an end to bogus 9/11 “war on terror” and a real overhaul of the private Ponzi farce “Federal Reserve” Corporation (not federal, and with less than ZERO reserves).
"It is absurd to claim that a progressive "movement" with a potential for profound social change can coalesce behind a candidate who repeatedly and reflexively aligns with the worst corporate malefactors on the planet, the very same individuals who brought about the current catastrophe."
Glen Ford (executive editor Black Agenda Report for the journal of African American political thought and action. October 15, 2008)
“ Knowledge makes a man unfit to be a slave.”
Frederick Douglass (former slave & America’s first civil rights leader 1818-1895)
“Our lives begin to end, the day we become silent about things that matter.”
“The greatest purveyor of violence on earth is my own government.”
Martin Luther King ((assassinated American civil rights leader. 1929-1968)
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» I loved that statement, and admire Obama
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» And all YOU do is talk!
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» All McCain & Obama do is TALK and vote for Corporate Crime
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» Mister PsyOps, eh? A good name for a spinner...
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» Your arrogance is breathtaking.
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» Sad arrogance from Projection-fantasist
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» You are speaking the truth Obamatons refuse to hear
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» Obamatons? Aren't you trying to ATTRACT supporters?
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» "hopeless (in a practical sense) underdogs" ??? that describes the American Public
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» ENOUGH IS ENOUGH! NEGATIVITY WILL NOT WIN THIS TIME!!!
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» You're not paying attention.
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» Obama will not save you
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» No, Nader/McKinney/Barr/Paul will not save me.
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» RE: Obama will not save you
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» You're right - You're not paying attention.
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Posted by: Tom Degan on Nov 4, 2008 1:35 AM
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So help me, There will be no living with me if the GOP is able to reatain control of the Executive Mansion. I've never given up hope in this country. But after all that has happened, if they insist on remaining on this road, all hope goes out the window.
We're at the crossroads. Four more years of this right wing lunacy will destroy us. How's it going to look to the rest of the world if we continue down this road? What vessel of twisted logic transported us to this island of insanity in the first place?
Have these people who profess themsleves to be "Christains" ever even read the Sermon on the Mount? Do they not understand the Constitution? Did you ever get the feeling that you were living in the pages of a dark comic masterpiece?
I've been up all night drinking. I hope this makes sense.
If Barack Obama loses this thing, we might as well pack it in. This country won't be worth the paper it's wrapped in.
VOTE LIKE THERE'S NO TOMORROW
Tom Degan
Goshen, NY
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Posted by: Fishbone Soldier on Nov 4, 2008 3:04 AM
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Other than that, great piece.
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Posted by: Lilly on Nov 4, 2008 3:09 AM
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Posted by: Elurby on Nov 4, 2008 4:14 AM
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Read this article about hidden statistics
on black-on-white crime (mainstream media
refuse to report the auwful impact black
men have had on society):
"Paul Sheehan, an Australian reporter, dug out the following Information for an article in the Sydney Morning Herald, May 2, 1995.
Sheehan based his statistics on crime data compiled by the FBI and partially reported each year in The FBI Uniform Crime Report . These reports can be researched At the FBI's website, www.fbi.gov.
"Since the FBI doesn't distinguish between Hispanics and whites, Sheehan's statistics don't adequately reflect the black-white crime situation.
"Only about 10-15% of Hispanics are white, with the rest being Indian or a mixture of white, American Indian, and blacks.
"Hispanic crime rates are almost as high as black crime rates. This means that the data Sheehan compiled on inter-racial crime is probably grossly understated since a considerable portion of the "white against black" crime actually is Hispanic-against-black crime. (Information about this aspect of inter-racial crime will be presented in a related article.)
"Here is the information Sheehan uncovered in his analysis of the FBI's crime reports:
-"Blacks murder more than 1,600 whites each year.
-"Blacks murder whites at 18 times the rate whites murder blacks.
-"Blacks murdered, raped, robbed, or assaulted about one million whites In 1992.
-"In the last 30 years, blacks committed 170 million violent and non-violent crimes against whites.
-"Blacks under 18 are more than 12 times more likely to be arrested for murder than whites under 18.
-"About 90% of the victims of interracial crimes are white.
-"Blacks commit 7.5 times more violent interracial crimes than whites, although whites outnumber blacks by 7 to 1.
-"On a per capita basis, blacks commit 50 times more violent crime than whites.
-"Black neighborhoods are 35 times more violent than white neighborhoods.
-"Of the 27 million nonviolent robberies in 1992, 31% (8.4 million) were committed by blacks against whites. Less than 2% were committed by whites against blacks.
-"Of the 6.6 million violent crimes, 20% (1.3 million) were interracial.
-"Of the the 1.3 million interracial violent crimes, 90% (1.17 million) are black against white.
-"In the past 20 years, violent crime increased four times faster than the population.
-"In the last 30 years (1964-94), more than 45,000 people were killed in interracial murders compared to 38,000 killed in Korea and 58,000 in Vietnam.
-"Sheehan commented that the contents of his article could not possibly be published or discussed in the U.S. mainstream media.
-"In the last 50 years, the white part of the American population has declined from 90% to 72%. The U.S. now has about 33 million blacks and 25 million Hispanics (legal and illegal). By the year 2050, American whites will be a minority, just 49%. By 2100, whites will be 25% of the population.
-"What will life for whites be like in the future?"
-end of report
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» The FBI report measures only STREET crime, not WHITE COLLAR crime!
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» To answer: Life for racists will be tough in the future.
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Posted by: rickiey on Nov 4, 2008 4:41 AM
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Quite frankly, what should a black president mean to you?
Not a god damn thing.
If you voted for Barack Obama because he is black:
1. You are a racist.
2. You are an asshole. (Its impossible to be a racist without being an asshole).
3. At least you voted for the right candidate, even if it was for the wrong reasons.
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Posted by: taxidriver on Nov 4, 2008 5:01 AM
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We're not a post-racial society yet, but Obama is leading us in that direction. Voting for him because he's Black is silly; voting for him because he's the best qualified candidate (in all ways, not just "experience") who just happens to be Black (actually, mixed race) is inspiring and does generate feelings that we may yet get back on course and heal our nation.
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Posted by: Live Gently on Nov 4, 2008 5:14 AM
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One day Linda shared with me why they moved north, her oldest brother was one of the marchers who were lead by Martin Luther King Jr. During one of their marches the group stopped at Linda's home to drink water from the outside well. Martin Luther King Jr picked Linda up in his arms, she was a baby at that time, and told her that they were marching for her future. The next day Linda's brother and father were beaten nearly to death, her mother was fired from her job as a maid, that night rocks were thrown through the windows of her home and a cross was burned in her yard. Shortly after the murder of MLK her family moved to the safety of Wisconsin.
When I cast my vote a few weeks ago, I thought of Linda as I filled in the box next to Obama's name. I have lost touch with her over the years, but I truly hope that she is happy in being able to witness how our country has changed since our childhood. May the dream that MLK live on today and forever. And I think I'm going to find a recipe for sweet potato pie.
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Posted by: BobS on Nov 4, 2008 5:25 AM
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America has a bad habit of hailing "Firsts" as evidence we have finally put our racial nightmare behind us.
But it does mean that we as a nation are a little more mature and a little more civilized. We've got a long way to go, but "Firsts" do mean that we have taken one more step toward the Promised Land that Dr. King spoke of the night before he was killed.
But that journey is far from over.
Bob Simpson
The BobboSphere.
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Posted by: chlamor on Nov 4, 2008 5:38 AM
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The scam of this still-new century enthralls and envelopes the nation, a narrowly-packaged farce in which political twins pretend they are not joined at the hip on every public policy issue that has been allowed to enter the corporate media-vetted discourse: health care, Iraq, trade. Even these points of (non)contention disappear in the din of purely commercial marketing mantras with infinitely malleable meanings: "Change," "Hope," "Reform."
When no real change is offered - when both front runners are wedded to a lingering presence in Iraq and to reestablishing U.S. hegemony in the world; when insurance and drug companies are left virtually untouched by duos' tepid forays into broadening health care coverage; and when neither offers a whisper of an idea on halting the corporate-engineered global Race to the Bottom, then it is certain that, although "change" may come, it will be at the direction of the rich who have brought the nation and planet to the very brink of catastrophe.
But then, Obama would never have risen so quickly and remarkably to his current position of dominant media favor and national prominence if he was anything like the egalitarian and democratic “progressive” that some liberals and leftists imagine. In the corporate-crafted and money-dominated swamp that passes for “representative democracy” in the U.S., concentrated economic and imperial power open and close doors in ways that preemptively suffocate populist potential. Big money is not in the business of promoting genuine social justice or democracy activists (so-called “gadflies” like Wellstone, to use Obama’s description).
Understanding public policy as a mechanism for the upward distribution of wealth, it promotes empire and inequality by underwriting the smothering K Street culture and the revolving door that feeds it—not just lobbyists themselves but the entire interconnected world of campaign consultants, public relations agencies, pollsters, and media strategists—without whose favor and assistance serious presidential bids are next to unthinkable.
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Posted by: chlamor on Nov 4, 2008 5:44 AM
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- Pro-Nafta.
- Expand the military by 92,000.
- Escalate in Afghanistan and Pakistan.
- Calls Venezuela a "rogue nation".
- Supports for-profit health "insurance" and calls single-payer "extremist".
- Proposes a Reaganite tax structure, except with over 25% lower taxes on capital gains than Reagan.
- Selects as economic advisers: Rubin, Summers, Goolsbee (Chief Economist for the DLC), Furman, Cutler, Friedman (selected for his "expertise" on Social Security, which includes books and dozens of articles on the "benefits" of privatizing SS), Wolf (Gramm's boss at UBS)...hardcore neolibs all the way, who pushed for repeal of Glass-Steagall and any other laws and regs that inhibited casino capitalism, ultra-leverage, and fictitious capital.
- Maintain 50k-plus "non-combat" troops in Iraq indefinitely for "security", "anti-terrorist", and "training" (Special Forces).
- Supported the extension and expansion of the PATRIOT Act.
- Supported legalizing CheneyBush and telecom crimes, and expanding and extending Carter's secret-evidence, fuck-the-Constitution, Star Chamber FISA.
- Says he has "absolute belief" in the phony CheneyBush "War on Terror".
- Says Republicans have "good ideas" on regulation and deregulation.
- Pushed for the $700b giveaway to his Wall Street donors.
Calling this pro-war, anti-Bill of Rights, expand-executive-power, neoliberal imperial Wall Street shill "progressive"...amazing.
Of course, the DLC calls its think tank "the Progressive (sic) Policy Institute". I suppose if one thinks the DLC is "progressive", it would be easy to think of this child of the Daley machine as "progressive", too.
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Posted by: X-POLYGAMIST WIFE on Nov 4, 2008 5:55 AM
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Posted by: PJAW on Nov 4, 2008 6:32 AM
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That he will be subjected to the cries and whispers of the right-wing, corporate extremists is all too obvious, which makes ongoing vigilance and our own outcries the imperative if we are to compete for his attention, and influence the direction of this nation's policies.
I've come to believe that the man has a good heart, but that he will not allow it to be his sole guide absent the instruction and support of all of us. He has a responsibility, under our system, to be responsive to the "will of the people", but has to be ongoingly be reminded ot what that "will" is. I have no doubt that he will change the course of the nation from what it has been over the last eight years, but just how dramatic that change will be depends on us. We have to hold him accountable at every turn. The difference between him and what we now have is simply that he shows a tendency to listen. Bush never did.
The hope that he presents is that we will have the opportunity to make this democracy work, and bring it closer to the ideals described by our constitution. We would be foolish (and irresponsible) to expect that we will be "lead" there. But an Obama victory might mean that we can move this nation where it needs to go. A McCain victory (and it will be one of the two) will assure that we will continue to be unheard and unheeded.
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Posted by: peacelf on Nov 4, 2008 6:35 AM
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It may be difficult to understand this if you're white and especially white male, but we progressives need Obama to win. Let me explain.
I have lived long enough to see the Civil Rights movement, the Civil Rights and Voter Rights Laws passed, Malcolm X and Dr. King's die for their progressive cause. Barack Obama's run for president is equally as important to americans.
Barack Obama, as imperfect a candidate he may be to progressive causes, is the right choice at this point in history to forward the progressive movement. Obama's candidacy and election is democracy in action, is proof of america's growth and maturity, as Toni Morrison and the above African Americans have pointed out. He's proof that america is ready for real change, and if you think he's the same as McCain, you're dead wrong. McCain is a nihilist and nihilism is the antithesis of progressivism.
In this day and age of nihilistic politicians when was the last time you heard a candidate use the word "HOPE"? Hope is the soul of progressives. In the desert of Reagan economics and Bush Doctrine we thirst for hope and a better tomorrow. We want the politics of love, compassion, justice and hope to prevail. An Obama vote is all of those ideals in democratic action.
Let's face it, Obama needs progressive and non-progressive white voters to get elected, so his non-threatening politics is a necessary element of his electability. Mostly, because he stirs fear and mistrust in the racist bones of too many white americans. But, Racism must die in order for progressive politics to survive, just as sexism and every other "ism" in order for progressivism to move america forward, and Barack Obama is the beginning of the end of wealthy white patriarchal supremacy that has so prevented us to move forward.
I can think of nothing more important to our progressive future.
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Posted by: maxpayne on Nov 4, 2008 6:51 AM
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Second, I admit that since I voted since 1988 Democrat that despite the worst of Obama, the race guilt feeling still shackles me. After all, my vote for Dukakis, Clinton, Gore, and Kerry and all of a sudden Nader would still keep that haunted race guilt feeling in me for at least the next 4 years if not longer. Well, since Obama is likely to win, if by 2012 Obama gags and keeps shooting his base down, then there is no way a lot of us will be shackled to the race guilt mentality that time around.
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Posted by: Lauren on Nov 4, 2008 7:24 AM
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It is my girl scout, native American religious freedom political action project.
I am a witch and a Deadhead. People like me are persecuted, I decided I wanted to fix that political problem (it destroys black men) and somebody in Obama's camp was listening to me.
Native American religion is a lot more exciting than some other kinds.
It Will Be So
~*~ Native American - Prayer Song ~*~
Yeha-Noha Native American chant
The winds of life blow in four directions. The world is not in black and white, there are other ways.
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Posted by: Yesican on Nov 4, 2008 7:54 AM
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We still have a long way to go. Some will never get over their fear and hatred of anyone "different". That is their loss.
My family is so looking forward to life under President Obama's leadership! We are going to spend our stimulus tax return, which we put into savings, on green things like, solar panels, raised garden beds, more energy efficient light bulbs, etc.
Our own energy, which in the last eight years has been used to fight the Bush agenda, will go into community projects, neighborhood garden, helping to get better public transportation, more affordable housing. The possibilities are endless.
We are also saving to get a small electric car, which someone in our area already has a prototype of, for around town trips.
We already live in a progressive town which has focused on a lot of this already. It will just be easier now.
President Obama... sounds so good! 1984 is over!
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Posted by: 2thepoint on Nov 4, 2008 8:20 AM
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If he screws up and can't do what he needs to do he should be sent back to community organizing! If he does the job, reelect him.. It's that simple!
My fear, if he screws up no one will have the nerve to can his ass and to fight the racist chants that will surely follow!
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Posted by: sashi on Nov 4, 2008 8:43 AM
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I am college educated and am currently writing my thesis for a Master's Degree.
I voted absentee for Obama. I want a president who is smarter than me.
I did not vote for Obama because he is black. And honestly, being from the San francisco Bay Area, this did not occur to me until someone on the news said it, but hopefully, we will have a black president.
Anyhow, out of the two "real" choices we are given, I felt he was the best one.
John Mccain and Sarah Palin scare the hell out of me. They want to take away my rights as a human being, make me a "baby incubator" and then impose more Christianity into politics.
In addition, Sarah Palin is an EMBARASSMENT to me as a woman. I did not get higher education and try to better myself just to have some illiterate, inarticulate, ignorant woman be held up as an "ideal". In addition, the comments about her "beauty" are sexist and inappropriate.
Although I have "socialist" tendencies and am rated by various online quizzes as "uber-liberal" and my favorite choice for president would be Kucinich, I realize that Obama, while he may be in someone's pocket, is a step in the right direction.
Baby steps.
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Posted by: TJColatrella on Nov 4, 2008 9:55 AM
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I'm voting for an intelligent competent highly educated and hopefully, enlightened President..!
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Posted by: gonzodex on Nov 4, 2008 10:17 AM
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What's driving your vote?
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Posted by: chlamor on Nov 4, 2008 10:19 AM
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To say that the “latest-greatest” Obama (for example) is being rejected because he is not quite perfect is to imply that he is kinda sorta there, or “in the right direction” or presumed to be an ally. What is being pointed out here is not that Obama and The Dems fail some perfection test – an imaginary test that suggests that he/they are mostly OK but has a few flaws that only perfectionists would notice, and a test that the people being accused of using it are not using - but rather that these people are not at all, in any way, remotely, or vaguely aligned any of the working people and that the notion that they are aligned with us is all a carefully created and totally false illusion. What are presumed to be "flaws" – which a few of us are supposedly unwilling to overlook in our stubbornness and obtuseness – are actually accurate glimpses through the camouflage at the whole picture, not minor peripheral and insignificant flaws.
They aren't minor flaws in an otherwise perfect gem – they are indicators as to the true nature of this chunk of manure painted up to look like a gem so as to fool people. Looking through the holes in the fancy paint job at the interior of the object, and saying it is not a flawed diamond, it is a chunk of manure with a coat of paint hastily slopped on to make it look like a diamond is merely pointing out the hypocrisy and unreality of the liberal fetish.
On another level this assault is wrong-headed and destructive, and that is in the implied assumption that politics is a matter of personal taste - “well that is what YOU want but not very many people agree with you.” Politics is about the greatest good for the greatest number, not about “what I want.” The narcissistic belly button lint gazing is completely antithetical to working class solidarity, and is nothing more than an amusing little hobby for the pampered and spoiled and selfish latte' liberal.
Beyond the question of whether or not this particular person is perfect, I also reject the assumption that we are all looking for a person to begin with, and that looking for a person is the essence of politics.
Barack Obama is the enemy. Looking for a person is the problem, not the solution.
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Posted by: Caesar77 on Nov 4, 2008 10:52 AM
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By the way, if McCain gets in, we are in Iran within months, and the world will be in a bigger mess, than it in now. God help us.
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Posted by: Phoebe23 on Nov 4, 2008 11:11 AM
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I read an interesting opinion piece today in the Hartford (CT) Courant, regarding the diversity of the canditates. If Obama had been born in Connecticut, he would be considered "white", since by law, race follows the mother because you will always know what her race is. On the other hand, McCain could claim that he is Hispanic because he was born in Panama. The U.S. Congress decreed that anyone born in a spanish speaking country could claim "Hispanic" as their nationality!
So, I'm voting for the White Democrat and not the Hispanic Republican (and race has nothing to do with it!)
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Posted by: left-leaning-libertarian on Nov 4, 2008 11:23 AM
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I admire many of the ideas and proposals of left-leaning third party candidates; but the practical truth of the matter is, most of these candidates lack the kind of political acumen to achieve their agenda in a system based on compromise, give and take, and (let's face it) political horse-trading. So, the thing to do is, run some alternative candidates for city council, even library board or dog-catcher; progress has to trickle up and candidates need to work their way up along with it (something Nader apparently has never understood).
"Politics is the art of the possible." I have NO ILLUSIONS that Obama is anything other than a pragmatic centrist who will do little more than tinker around the edges of a fatally flawed system, but the fact remains Obama is what is possible at this time, and therefore, I support him.
And, just in case you think I'm living in a glass house; I have gotten off my butt, volunteered in the local Democratic party as a caucus chairperson, as a precinct captain, as a central committee member, as a campaign contributor, as a writer of articles and letters to the editor, and, yes--dare I say it?--as a COMMUNITY ORGANIZER!!!!!!!!!
There are a million reasons to be bitter about what has been done to this country over the last 8 years and more, but nothing is solved by sitting around, doing nothing other than shooting down anything that ain't "perfect," waiting pointlessly for some political Godot who will NEVER show up unless you decide to run yourself!
So get a clue, get a life, and get a new attitude! And STOP raining on the parade! Nobody likes a buzz-kill!
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Posted by: Kahoneez on Nov 4, 2008 1:01 PM
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Will a Pres. Obama face the Rothschilds, the Rockefellers, the CFR cabal and tell them NO, we won't have a one dollar in N. America like the EURO . We won't let international corporations erase borders, create the laws and rules to move in and destroy countries (including our own).
From what I understand for example, 40 -50 % of the UK's banking is now controlled (after the contrived banking crises ) by ONE banking conglomerate . Think they'll stop there, lol .
We know McCain cut deals with the Rothchilds , they hosted a fund raiser in England, for Americans living over there, so if obama can be totally independent and out of the control of the real power in the U.S. and I wouldn't bet on it, it would be great , but that aint reality Angelou , you don't have a clue .
Obama will throw some bones to the "left " what ever that means, he'll placate the real power behind the scenes, because NOBODY rises to power will out at least reading the script and taking some orders and i bet Angelou like many ignorant Americans think the " War " in Iraq will end by 'pulling out combat troops " (which are only about 25% of military to begin with, NOT including the murderous MERCENARIES )which will leave at LEAST 75 - 100,000 military in Iraq alone . Keep in mind people with amnesia, obama said on 60 minutes , " we need to keep troops in Iraq , to protect OUR INTERESTS " MINE, YOURS ?lol. No , JP MORGAN , Haliburton , Chevron , THATS WHO ! ! And MORE troops are on the way to Afghanistan , so the occupation will continue IN BOTH COUNTRIES , spilling more blood .
Kucinich had the most logical, the most moral position on Iraq , but like the Japanese proverb says, " THE NAIL THAT STANDS UP , GETS POUNDED BACK DOWN "
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Posted by: Yesican on Nov 4, 2008 1:21 PM
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Hey one of McCain's chief campaign workers in Florida, voted for Obama and then quit! And look at what happened at those tiny NH precincts. Obama can actually change minds set in granite!
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or a troll trying to lay the foundations of a new attack.
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Posted by: Cathyc on Nov 4, 2008 4:43 PM
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She was 'deprived' of her critical faculties a long time ago...
Its called Stockholme Syndrome - when the Slave becomes totally identified with the Master.
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Posted by: Dushaw on Nov 5, 2008 1:05 PM
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Who are the real winners of yesterday's election? Not Democrats. Not liberals. Not progressives. But the dreamers. Those who've been shot down, shunned or told to shut up because you dare to think you can when others say you can't.
In a short amount of years, we watched an organizer become a lawyer, a lawyer become a State Senator, a State Senator become a U.S. Senator, and a U.S. Senator become the first black President of the United States.
All of this on a message of hope, dreams and change. Remember, his story was an "unlikely" one. A modern day Seabiscuit. He was thought to be too small, too inexperienced. But people pulled for him. They saw bits and pieces of themselves in him. In return, he brought the nation (and the world) to a new high when we were all at a low.
Today we walk a little taller. Smile a little brighter. Believe a little stronger. Doubt loss. Hope won. There will be challenges and disappointments going forward. It's the human way of life. But the world is a different place this morning. It's okay to dream again.
By Dushaw Hockett
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Posted by: barefeet on Nov 5, 2008 1:50 PM
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Now the one half of the country is pleased and the other half is pissed as is ALWAYS the case in the USA but nothing is really changed. The country is still in fact ruled the moneyed oligarchy and NOT the simple peasants who are again pacified and return to munching the grass only to wake up again in another four years but to forget the defective constitution that got us here.
Nothing will change how this country is run until we simply dump the office of our all-powerful president. Either we write it out of the constitution as it was in our original constitution or by castrating it as in eliminating all of its appointment and firing power and returning those powers to the House of Representatives. The Senate has to go too as simply a hopeless unrepresentative debating society.
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Posted by: Lara1967 on Nov 5, 2008 6:20 PM
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February 15, 2008
We keep hearing that this year will mark the first time a major political party in the United States nominated a woman or a Black person as its presidential candidate. For women, that is true, but some historians say Sen. Barack Obama, if elected, would not be the nation's first Black president. They say he certainly won't be the first president with Black ancestors--just the first to acknowledge his Blackness.
Which other presidents hid their African ancestry? Well, it's not Bill Clinton, even though the Congressional Black Caucus honored him as the nation's "first Black president" at its 2001 annual awards dinner. Presidents Thomas Jefferson, Andrew Jackson, Abraham Lincoln, Warren Harding and Calvin Coolidge all had Black ancestors they kept in their genealogical closets, according to historians.
Harding did not deny his African ancestry when Republican leaders called on him to deny his "Negro" history. He said, "How should I know whether or not one of my ancestors might have jumped the fence?"
Does African ancestry make these men Black? If the bar is the one-drop rule, then yes. The one-drop rule is a historical term used during the Jim Crow era that defines a person with one drop of sub-Saharan- African ancestry as not white and therefore must be Black. If that's the bar, then there have already been other Black presidents, says historian Leroy Vaughn, author of Black People and Their Place in World History.
The first president with African ancestry was Jefferson, who served two terms between 1801 and 1809. Jefferson was described as the "son of a half-breed Indian squaw and a Virginia mulatto father," as stated in Vaughn's findings. Jefferson also was said to have destroyed all documentation attached to his mother, even going to extremes to seize letters written by his mother to other people.
President Andrew Jackson, the nation's seventh president, was in office between 1829 and 1837. Vaughn cites an article written in The Virginia Magazine of History that states Jackson was the son of an Irish woman who married a Black man. The magazine also stated that Jackson's oldest brother had been sold as a slave.
Lincoln, the nation's 16th president, served between 1861 and 1865. Lincoln was said to have been the illegitimate son of an African man, according to Vaughn's findings. Lincoln had very dark skin and coarse hair and his mother allegedly came from an Ethiopian tribe. His heritage fueled so much controversy that Lincoln was nicknamed "Abraham Africanus the First" by his opponents.
President Warren Harding, the 29th president, in office between 1921 and 1923, apparently never denied his ancestry. According to Vaughn, William Chancellor, a professor of economics and politics at Wooster College in Ohio, wrote a book on the Harding family genealogy. Evidently, Harding had Black ancestors between both sets of parents. Chancellor also said that Harding attended Iberia College, a school founded to educate fugitive slaves.
Coolidge, the nation's 30th president, served between 1923 and 1929 and supposedly was proud of his heritage. He claimed his mother was dark because of mixed Indian ancestry. Coolidge's mother's maiden name was "Moor," and in Europe, the name "Moor" was given to all Blacks, just as "Negro" was used in America. It later was concluded that Coolidge was part Black.
http://www.diversityinc.com/public/3085.cfm
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Obama is not black. His momma was as white as the rest of us honkies.
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Posted by: Mister_PsyOps on Nov 4, 2008 1:09 AM
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This jejune statement is unworthy of the times. The same can be said of others including Jesse Jackson pretending to speak for Martin Luther King.
Doctor King was the antithesis of nearly everything Barack Obama stands for. King was a true challenger of Organized Corporate Crime rule and its blood money war state that literally bankrolled Obama’s campaign and promoted him every step of the way. With de facto Fascist handlers Robert Rubin, Rothschild ally George Soros and Zbigniev Brzezinski lockstep behind Obama, the comparison to Martin Luther King is a Wall Street martial law FISA travesty under genocide 9/11 “war on terror” of a thousand lies .
If Obama wins – and no doubt he will – the old Fascist ruling class will have its best Trojan show horse and decoy yet. A person of color that amounts to hardly more than a stooge actor groomed to pretend to lead a nation ruled under the kind of tyrants that Martin Luther King, Ghandi and Frederick Douglas gave their lives to openly defy and condemn.
The only person of color in the race that deserves to represent justice and anything like real hope is Cynthia Mckinney who tirelessly crusaded for a real investigation into 9/11 coverup, impeachment of the Bush regime, an end to bogus 9/11 “war on terror” and a real overhaul of the private Ponzi farce “Federal Reserve” Corporation (not federal, and with less than ZERO reserves).
"It is absurd to claim that a progressive "movement" with a potential for profound social change can coalesce behind a candidate who repeatedly and reflexively aligns with the worst corporate malefactors on the planet, the very same individuals who brought about the current catastrophe."
Glen Ford (executive editor Black Agenda Report for the journal of African American political thought and action. October 15, 2008)
“ Knowledge makes a man unfit to be a slave.”
Frederick Douglass (former slave & America’s first civil rights leader 1818-1895)
“Our lives begin to end, the day we become silent about things that matter.”
“The greatest purveyor of violence on earth is my own government.”
Martin Luther King ((assassinated American civil rights leader. 1929-1968)
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» And all YOU do is talk!
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» Obamatons? Aren't you trying to ATTRACT supporters?
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» "hopeless (in a practical sense) underdogs" ??? that describes the American Public
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» Obama will not save you
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» You're right - You're not paying attention.
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Posted by: Tom Degan on Nov 4, 2008 1:35 AM
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So help me, There will be no living with me if the GOP is able to reatain control of the Executive Mansion. I've never given up hope in this country. But after all that has happened, if they insist on remaining on this road, all hope goes out the window.
We're at the crossroads. Four more years of this right wing lunacy will destroy us. How's it going to look to the rest of the world if we continue down this road? What vessel of twisted logic transported us to this island of insanity in the first place?
Have these people who profess themsleves to be "Christains" ever even read the Sermon on the Mount? Do they not understand the Constitution? Did you ever get the feeling that you were living in the pages of a dark comic masterpiece?
I've been up all night drinking. I hope this makes sense.
If Barack Obama loses this thing, we might as well pack it in. This country won't be worth the paper it's wrapped in.
VOTE LIKE THERE'S NO TOMORROW
Tom Degan
Goshen, NY
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Posted by: Fishbone Soldier on Nov 4, 2008 3:04 AM
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Other than that, great piece.
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Posted by: Elurby on Nov 4, 2008 4:14 AM
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Read this article about hidden statistics
on black-on-white crime (mainstream media
refuse to report the auwful impact black
men have had on society):
"Paul Sheehan, an Australian reporter, dug out the following Information for an article in the Sydney Morning Herald, May 2, 1995.
Sheehan based his statistics on crime data compiled by the FBI and partially reported each year in The FBI Uniform Crime Report . These reports can be researched At the FBI's website, www.fbi.gov.
"Since the FBI doesn't distinguish between Hispanics and whites, Sheehan's statistics don't adequately reflect the black-white crime situation.
"Only about 10-15% of Hispanics are white, with the rest being Indian or a mixture of white, American Indian, and blacks.
"Hispanic crime rates are almost as high as black crime rates. This means that the data Sheehan compiled on inter-racial crime is probably grossly understated since a considerable portion of the "white against black" crime actually is Hispanic-against-black crime. (Information about this aspect of inter-racial crime will be presented in a related article.)
"Here is the information Sheehan uncovered in his analysis of the FBI's crime reports:
-"Blacks murder more than 1,600 whites each year.
-"Blacks murder whites at 18 times the rate whites murder blacks.
-"Blacks murdered, raped, robbed, or assaulted about one million whites In 1992.
-"In the last 30 years, blacks committed 170 million violent and non-violent crimes against whites.
-"Blacks under 18 are more than 12 times more likely to be arrested for murder than whites under 18.
-"About 90% of the victims of interracial crimes are white.
-"Blacks commit 7.5 times more violent interracial crimes than whites, although whites outnumber blacks by 7 to 1.
-"On a per capita basis, blacks commit 50 times more violent crime than whites.
-"Black neighborhoods are 35 times more violent than white neighborhoods.
-"Of the 27 million nonviolent robberies in 1992, 31% (8.4 million) were committed by blacks against whites. Less than 2% were committed by whites against blacks.
-"Of the 6.6 million violent crimes, 20% (1.3 million) were interracial.
-"Of the the 1.3 million interracial violent crimes, 90% (1.17 million) are black against white.
-"In the past 20 years, violent crime increased four times faster than the population.
-"In the last 30 years (1964-94), more than 45,000 people were killed in interracial murders compared to 38,000 killed in Korea and 58,000 in Vietnam.
-"Sheehan commented that the contents of his article could not possibly be published or discussed in the U.S. mainstream media.
-"In the last 50 years, the white part of the American population has declined from 90% to 72%. The U.S. now has about 33 million blacks and 25 million Hispanics (legal and illegal). By the year 2050, American whites will be a minority, just 49%. By 2100, whites will be 25% of the population.
-"What will life for whites be like in the future?"
-end of report
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Posted by: rickiey on Nov 4, 2008 4:41 AM
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Quite frankly, what should a black president mean to you?
Not a god damn thing.
If you voted for Barack Obama because he is black:
1. You are a racist.
2. You are an asshole. (Its impossible to be a racist without being an asshole).
3. At least you voted for the right candidate, even if it was for the wrong reasons.
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Posted by: taxidriver on Nov 4, 2008 5:01 AM
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We're not a post-racial society yet, but Obama is leading us in that direction. Voting for him because he's Black is silly; voting for him because he's the best qualified candidate (in all ways, not just "experience") who just happens to be Black (actually, mixed race) is inspiring and does generate feelings that we may yet get back on course and heal our nation.
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Posted by: Live Gently on Nov 4, 2008 5:14 AM
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One day Linda shared with me why they moved north, her oldest brother was one of the marchers who were lead by Martin Luther King Jr. During one of their marches the group stopped at Linda's home to drink water from the outside well. Martin Luther King Jr picked Linda up in his arms, she was a baby at that time, and told her that they were marching for her future. The next day Linda's brother and father were beaten nearly to death, her mother was fired from her job as a maid, that night rocks were thrown through the windows of her home and a cross was burned in her yard. Shortly after the murder of MLK her family moved to the safety of Wisconsin.
When I cast my vote a few weeks ago, I thought of Linda as I filled in the box next to Obama's name. I have lost touch with her over the years, but I truly hope that she is happy in being able to witness how our country has changed since our childhood. May the dream that MLK live on today and forever. And I think I'm going to find a recipe for sweet potato pie.
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Posted by: BobS on Nov 4, 2008 5:25 AM
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America has a bad habit of hailing "Firsts" as evidence we have finally put our racial nightmare behind us.
But it does mean that we as a nation are a little more mature and a little more civilized. We've got a long way to go, but "Firsts" do mean that we have taken one more step toward the Promised Land that Dr. King spoke of the night before he was killed.
But that journey is far from over.
Bob Simpson
The BobboSphere.
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Posted by: chlamor on Nov 4, 2008 5:38 AM
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The scam of this still-new century enthralls and envelopes the nation, a narrowly-packaged farce in which political twins pretend they are not joined at the hip on every public policy issue that has been allowed to enter the corporate media-vetted discourse: health care, Iraq, trade. Even these points of (non)contention disappear in the din of purely commercial marketing mantras with infinitely malleable meanings: "Change," "Hope," "Reform."
When no real change is offered - when both front runners are wedded to a lingering presence in Iraq and to reestablishing U.S. hegemony in the world; when insurance and drug companies are left virtually untouched by duos' tepid forays into broadening health care coverage; and when neither offers a whisper of an idea on halting the corporate-engineered global Race to the Bottom, then it is certain that, although "change" may come, it will be at the direction of the rich who have brought the nation and planet to the very brink of catastrophe.
But then, Obama would never have risen so quickly and remarkably to his current position of dominant media favor and national prominence if he was anything like the egalitarian and democratic “progressive” that some liberals and leftists imagine. In the corporate-crafted and money-dominated swamp that passes for “representative democracy” in the U.S., concentrated economic and imperial power open and close doors in ways that preemptively suffocate populist potential. Big money is not in the business of promoting genuine social justice or democracy activists (so-called “gadflies” like Wellstone, to use Obama’s description).
Understanding public policy as a mechanism for the upward distribution of wealth, it promotes empire and inequality by underwriting the smothering K Street culture and the revolving door that feeds it—not just lobbyists themselves but the entire interconnected world of campaign consultants, public relations agencies, pollsters, and media strategists—without whose favor and assistance serious presidential bids are next to unthinkable.
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Posted by: chlamor on Nov 4, 2008 5:44 AM
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- Pro-Nafta.
- Expand the military by 92,000.
- Escalate in Afghanistan and Pakistan.
- Calls Venezuela a "rogue nation".
- Supports for-profit health "insurance" and calls single-payer "extremist".
- Proposes a Reaganite tax structure, except with over 25% lower taxes on capital gains than Reagan.
- Selects as economic advisers: Rubin, Summers, Goolsbee (Chief Economist for the DLC), Furman, Cutler, Friedman (selected for his "expertise" on Social Security, which includes books and dozens of articles on the "benefits" of privatizing SS), Wolf (Gramm's boss at UBS)...hardcore neolibs all the way, who pushed for repeal of Glass-Steagall and any other laws and regs that inhibited casino capitalism, ultra-leverage, and fictitious capital.
- Maintain 50k-plus "non-combat" troops in Iraq indefinitely for "security", "anti-terrorist", and "training" (Special Forces).
- Supported the extension and expansion of the PATRIOT Act.
- Supported legalizing CheneyBush and telecom crimes, and expanding and extending Carter's secret-evidence, fuck-the-Constitution, Star Chamber FISA.
- Says he has "absolute belief" in the phony CheneyBush "War on Terror".
- Says Republicans have "good ideas" on regulation and deregulation.
- Pushed for the $700b giveaway to his Wall Street donors.
Calling this pro-war, anti-Bill of Rights, expand-executive-power, neoliberal imperial Wall Street shill "progressive"...amazing.
Of course, the DLC calls its think tank "the Progressive (sic) Policy Institute". I suppose if one thinks the DLC is "progressive", it would be easy to think of this child of the Daley machine as "progressive", too.
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Posted by: PJAW on Nov 4, 2008 6:32 AM
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That he will be subjected to the cries and whispers of the right-wing, corporate extremists is all too obvious, which makes ongoing vigilance and our own outcries the imperative if we are to compete for his attention, and influence the direction of this nation's policies.
I've come to believe that the man has a good heart, but that he will not allow it to be his sole guide absent the instruction and support of all of us. He has a responsibility, under our system, to be responsive to the "will of the people", but has to be ongoingly be reminded ot what that "will" is. I have no doubt that he will change the course of the nation from what it has been over the last eight years, but just how dramatic that change will be depends on us. We have to hold him accountable at every turn. The difference between him and what we now have is simply that he shows a tendency to listen. Bush never did.
The hope that he presents is that we will have the opportunity to make this democracy work, and bring it closer to the ideals described by our constitution. We would be foolish (and irresponsible) to expect that we will be "lead" there. But an Obama victory might mean that we can move this nation where it needs to go. A McCain victory (and it will be one of the two) will assure that we will continue to be unheard and unheeded.
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Posted by: peacelf on Nov 4, 2008 6:35 AM
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It may be difficult to understand this if you're white and especially white male, but we progressives need Obama to win. Let me explain.
I have lived long enough to see the Civil Rights movement, the Civil Rights and Voter Rights Laws passed, Malcolm X and Dr. King's die for their progressive cause. Barack Obama's run for president is equally as important to americans.
Barack Obama, as imperfect a candidate he may be to progressive causes, is the right choice at this point in history to forward the progressive movement. Obama's candidacy and election is democracy in action, is proof of america's growth and maturity, as Toni Morrison and the above African Americans have pointed out. He's proof that america is ready for real change, and if you think he's the same as McCain, you're dead wrong. McCain is a nihilist and nihilism is the antithesis of progressivism.
In this day and age of nihilistic politicians when was the last time you heard a candidate use the word "HOPE"? Hope is the soul of progressives. In the desert of Reagan economics and Bush Doctrine we thirst for hope and a better tomorrow. We want the politics of love, compassion, justice and hope to prevail. An Obama vote is all of those ideals in democratic action.
Let's face it, Obama needs progressive and non-progressive white voters to get elected, so his non-threatening politics is a necessary element of his electability. Mostly, because he stirs fear and mistrust in the racist bones of too many white americans. But, Racism must die in order for progressive politics to survive, just as sexism and every other "ism" in order for progressivism to move america forward, and Barack Obama is the beginning of the end of wealthy white patriarchal supremacy that has so prevented us to move forward.
I can think of nothing more important to our progressive future.
peace
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Posted by: maxpayne on Nov 4, 2008 6:51 AM
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Second, I admit that since I voted since 1988 Democrat that despite the worst of Obama, the race guilt feeling still shackles me. After all, my vote for Dukakis, Clinton, Gore, and Kerry and all of a sudden Nader would still keep that haunted race guilt feeling in me for at least the next 4 years if not longer. Well, since Obama is likely to win, if by 2012 Obama gags and keeps shooting his base down, then there is no way a lot of us will be shackled to the race guilt mentality that time around.
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Posted by: Lauren on Nov 4, 2008 7:24 AM
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It is my girl scout, native American religious freedom political action project.
I am a witch and a Deadhead. People like me are persecuted, I decided I wanted to fix that political problem (it destroys black men) and somebody in Obama's camp was listening to me.
Native American religion is a lot more exciting than some other kinds.
It Will Be So
~*~ Native American - Prayer Song ~*~
Yeha-Noha Native American chant
The winds of life blow in four directions. The world is not in black and white, there are other ways.
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Posted by: Yesican on Nov 4, 2008 7:54 AM
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We still have a long way to go. Some will never get over their fear and hatred of anyone "different". That is their loss.
My family is so looking forward to life under President Obama's leadership! We are going to spend our stimulus tax return, which we put into savings, on green things like, solar panels, raised garden beds, more energy efficient light bulbs, etc.
Our own energy, which in the last eight years has been used to fight the Bush agenda, will go into community projects, neighborhood garden, helping to get better public transportation, more affordable housing. The possibilities are endless.
We are also saving to get a small electric car, which someone in our area already has a prototype of, for around town trips.
We already live in a progressive town which has focused on a lot of this already. It will just be easier now.
President Obama... sounds so good! 1984 is over!
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Posted by: VZEQICVA on Nov 4, 2008 7:55 AM
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Posted by: 2thepoint on Nov 4, 2008 8:20 AM
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If he screws up and can't do what he needs to do he should be sent back to community organizing! If he does the job, reelect him.. It's that simple!
My fear, if he screws up no one will have the nerve to can his ass and to fight the racist chants that will surely follow!
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Posted by: throck on Nov 4, 2008 8:36 AM
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Posted by: willymack on Nov 4, 2008 8:38 AM
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Posted by: sashi on Nov 4, 2008 8:43 AM
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I am college educated and am currently writing my thesis for a Master's Degree.
I voted absentee for Obama. I want a president who is smarter than me.
I did not vote for Obama because he is black. And honestly, being from the San francisco Bay Area, this did not occur to me until someone on the news said it, but hopefully, we will have a black president.
Anyhow, out of the two "real" choices we are given, I felt he was the best one.
John Mccain and Sarah Palin scare the hell out of me. They want to take away my rights as a human being, make me a "baby incubator" and then impose more Christianity into politics.
In addition, Sarah Palin is an EMBARASSMENT to me as a woman. I did not get higher education and try to better myself just to have some illiterate, inarticulate, ignorant woman be held up as an "ideal". In addition, the comments about her "beauty" are sexist and inappropriate.
Although I have "socialist" tendencies and am rated by various online quizzes as "uber-liberal" and my favorite choice for president would be Kucinich, I realize that Obama, while he may be in someone's pocket, is a step in the right direction.
Baby steps.
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Posted by: solrev on Nov 4, 2008 8:47 AM
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Posted by: TJColatrella on Nov 4, 2008 9:55 AM
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I'm voting for an intelligent competent highly educated and hopefully, enlightened President..!
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» you're also voting for a corporate-sponsored AIPAC shill who had no qualms with FISA
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Posted by: gonzodex on Nov 4, 2008 10:17 AM
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What's driving your vote?
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Posted by: chlamor on Nov 4, 2008 10:19 AM
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To say that the “latest-greatest” Obama (for example) is being rejected because he is not quite perfect is to imply that he is kinda sorta there, or “in the right direction” or presumed to be an ally. What is being pointed out here is not that Obama and The Dems fail some perfection test – an imaginary test that suggests that he/they are mostly OK but has a few flaws that only perfectionists would notice, and a test that the people being accused of using it are not using - but rather that these people are not at all, in any way, remotely, or vaguely aligned any of the working people and that the notion that they are aligned with us is all a carefully created and totally false illusion. What are presumed to be "flaws" – which a few of us are supposedly unwilling to overlook in our stubbornness and obtuseness – are actually accurate glimpses through the camouflage at the whole picture, not minor peripheral and insignificant flaws.
They aren't minor flaws in an otherwise perfect gem – they are indicators as to the true nature of this chunk of manure painted up to look like a gem so as to fool people. Looking through the holes in the fancy paint job at the interior of the object, and saying it is not a flawed diamond, it is a chunk of manure with a coat of paint hastily slopped on to make it look like a diamond is merely pointing out the hypocrisy and unreality of the liberal fetish.
On another level this assault is wrong-headed and destructive, and that is in the implied assumption that politics is a matter of personal taste - “well that is what YOU want but not very many people agree with you.” Politics is about the greatest good for the greatest number, not about “what I want.” The narcissistic belly button lint gazing is completely antithetical to working class solidarity, and is nothing more than an amusing little hobby for the pampered and spoiled and selfish latte' liberal.
Beyond the question of whether or not this particular person is perfect, I also reject the assumption that we are all looking for a person to begin with, and that looking for a person is the essence of politics.
Barack Obama is the enemy. Looking for a person is the problem, not the solution.
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» You are inventing the "looking for a person" part, while sticking with the name-calling.
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» Too bad you missed chlamor's point entirely
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» "Looking for a person is the problem, not the solution". So true!
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Posted by: Caesar77 on Nov 4, 2008 10:52 AM
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By the way, if McCain gets in, we are in Iran within months, and the world will be in a bigger mess, than it in now. God help us.
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» Obama is soma--how much black is bad?
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Posted by: Phoebe23 on Nov 4, 2008 11:11 AM
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I read an interesting opinion piece today in the Hartford (CT) Courant, regarding the diversity of the canditates. If Obama had been born in Connecticut, he would be considered "white", since by law, race follows the mother because you will always know what her race is. On the other hand, McCain could claim that he is Hispanic because he was born in Panama. The U.S. Congress decreed that anyone born in a spanish speaking country could claim "Hispanic" as their nationality!
So, I'm voting for the White Democrat and not the Hispanic Republican (and race has nothing to do with it!)
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Posted by: left-leaning-libertarian on Nov 4, 2008 11:23 AM
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I admire many of the ideas and proposals of left-leaning third party candidates; but the practical truth of the matter is, most of these candidates lack the kind of political acumen to achieve their agenda in a system based on compromise, give and take, and (let's face it) political horse-trading. So, the thing to do is, run some alternative candidates for city council, even library board or dog-catcher; progress has to trickle up and candidates need to work their way up along with it (something Nader apparently has never understood).
"Politics is the art of the possible." I have NO ILLUSIONS that Obama is anything other than a pragmatic centrist who will do little more than tinker around the edges of a fatally flawed system, but the fact remains Obama is what is possible at this time, and therefore, I support him.
And, just in case you think I'm living in a glass house; I have gotten off my butt, volunteered in the local Democratic party as a caucus chairperson, as a precinct captain, as a central committee member, as a campaign contributor, as a writer of articles and letters to the editor, and, yes--dare I say it?--as a COMMUNITY ORGANIZER!!!!!!!!!
There are a million reasons to be bitter about what has been done to this country over the last 8 years and more, but nothing is solved by sitting around, doing nothing other than shooting down anything that ain't "perfect," waiting pointlessly for some political Godot who will NEVER show up unless you decide to run yourself!
So get a clue, get a life, and get a new attitude! And STOP raining on the parade! Nobody likes a buzz-kill!
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» BUZZKILL
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» Why rant for 6 paragraphs when your message is "Shut Up" to anyone who disagrees with you?
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» Would not want a buzzkill
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» Perpetual Crock Pipe-dreamers
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» "Nobody likes a buzz-kill!" And nobody in their right mind likes the Corporate takeover of --
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Posted by: RedFoxOne on Nov 4, 2008 12:49 PM
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Posted by: Kahoneez on Nov 4, 2008 1:01 PM
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Will a Pres. Obama face the Rothschilds, the Rockefellers, the CFR cabal and tell them NO, we won't have a one dollar in N. America like the EURO . We won't let international corporations erase borders, create the laws and rules to move in and destroy countries (including our own).
From what I understand for example, 40 -50 % of the UK's banking is now controlled (after the contrived banking crises ) by ONE banking conglomerate . Think they'll stop there, lol .
We know McCain cut deals with the Rothchilds , they hosted a fund raiser in England, for Americans living over there, so if obama can be totally independent and out of the control of the real power in the U.S. and I wouldn't bet on it, it would be great , but that aint reality Angelou , you don't have a clue .
Obama will throw some bones to the "left " what ever that means, he'll placate the real power behind the scenes, because NOBODY rises to power will out at least reading the script and taking some orders and i bet Angelou like many ignorant Americans think the " War " in Iraq will end by 'pulling out combat troops " (which are only about 25% of military to begin with, NOT including the murderous MERCENARIES )which will leave at LEAST 75 - 100,000 military in Iraq alone . Keep in mind people with amnesia, obama said on 60 minutes , " we need to keep troops in Iraq , to protect OUR INTERESTS " MINE, YOURS ?lol. No , JP MORGAN , Haliburton , Chevron , THATS WHO ! ! And MORE troops are on the way to Afghanistan , so the occupation will continue IN BOTH COUNTRIES , spilling more blood .
Kucinich had the most logical, the most moral position on Iraq , but like the Japanese proverb says, " THE NAIL THAT STANDS UP , GETS POUNDED BACK DOWN "
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» Angelou doesn't have a CLUE ... not if she's admring Hillary Clinton!
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Posted by: Yesican on Nov 4, 2008 1:21 PM
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Hey one of McCain's chief campaign workers in Florida, voted for Obama and then quit! And look at what happened at those tiny NH precincts. Obama can actually change minds set in granite!
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Posted by: Lauren on Nov 4, 2008 3:23 PM
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or a troll trying to lay the foundations of a new attack.
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» a WHITE Maya Angelou on a WHITE Oprah Show
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Posted by: Cathyc on Nov 4, 2008 4:43 PM
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She was 'deprived' of her critical faculties a long time ago...
Its called Stockholme Syndrome - when the Slave becomes totally identified with the Master.
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Posted by: Dushaw on Nov 5, 2008 1:05 PM
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Who are the real winners of yesterday's election? Not Democrats. Not liberals. Not progressives. But the dreamers. Those who've been shot down, shunned or told to shut up because you dare to think you can when others say you can't.
In a short amount of years, we watched an organizer become a lawyer, a lawyer become a State Senator, a State Senator become a U.S. Senator, and a U.S. Senator become the first black President of the United States.
All of this on a message of hope, dreams and change. Remember, his story was an "unlikely" one. A modern day Seabiscuit. He was thought to be too small, too inexperienced. But people pulled for him. They saw bits and pieces of themselves in him. In return, he brought the nation (and the world) to a new high when we were all at a low.
Today we walk a little taller. Smile a little brighter. Believe a little stronger. Doubt loss. Hope won. There will be challenges and disappointments going forward. It's the human way of life. But the world is a different place this morning. It's okay to dream again.
By Dushaw Hockett
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Posted by: barefeet on Nov 5, 2008 1:50 PM
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Now the one half of the country is pleased and the other half is pissed as is ALWAYS the case in the USA but nothing is really changed. The country is still in fact ruled the moneyed oligarchy and NOT the simple peasants who are again pacified and return to munching the grass only to wake up again in another four years but to forget the defective constitution that got us here.
Nothing will change how this country is run until we simply dump the office of our all-powerful president. Either we write it out of the constitution as it was in our original constitution or by castrating it as in eliminating all of its appointment and firing power and returning those powers to the House of Representatives. The Senate has to go too as simply a hopeless unrepresentative debating society.
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Posted by: Lara1967 on Nov 5, 2008 6:20 PM
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February 15, 2008
We keep hearing that this year will mark the first time a major political party in the United States nominated a woman or a Black person as its presidential candidate. For women, that is true, but some historians say Sen. Barack Obama, if elected, would not be the nation's first Black president. They say he certainly won't be the first president with Black ancestors--just the first to acknowledge his Blackness.
Which other presidents hid their African ancestry? Well, it's not Bill Clinton, even though the Congressional Black Caucus honored him as the nation's "first Black president" at its 2001 annual awards dinner. Presidents Thomas Jefferson, Andrew Jackson, Abraham Lincoln, Warren Harding and Calvin Coolidge all had Black ancestors they kept in their genealogical closets, according to historians.
Harding did not deny his African ancestry when Republican leaders called on him to deny his "Negro" history. He said, "How should I know whether or not one of my ancestors might have jumped the fence?"
Does African ancestry make these men Black? If the bar is the one-drop rule, then yes. The one-drop rule is a historical term used during the Jim Crow era that defines a person with one drop of sub-Saharan- African ancestry as not white and therefore must be Black. If that's the bar, then there have already been other Black presidents, says historian Leroy Vaughn, author of Black People and Their Place in World History.
The first president with African ancestry was Jefferson, who served two terms between 1801 and 1809. Jefferson was described as the "son of a half-breed Indian squaw and a Virginia mulatto father," as stated in Vaughn's findings. Jefferson also was said to have destroyed all documentation attached to his mother, even going to extremes to seize letters written by his mother to other people.
President Andrew Jackson, the nation's seventh president, was in office between 1829 and 1837. Vaughn cites an article written in The Virginia Magazine of History that states Jackson was the son of an Irish woman who married a Black man. The magazine also stated that Jackson's oldest brother had been sold as a slave.
Lincoln, the nation's 16th president, served between 1861 and 1865. Lincoln was said to have been the illegitimate son of an African man, according to Vaughn's findings. Lincoln had very dark skin and coarse hair and his mother allegedly came from an Ethiopian tribe. His heritage fueled so much controversy that Lincoln was nicknamed "Abraham Africanus the First" by his opponents.
President Warren Harding, the 29th president, in office between 1921 and 1923, apparently never denied his ancestry. According to Vaughn, William Chancellor, a professor of economics and politics at Wooster College in Ohio, wrote a book on the Harding family genealogy. Evidently, Harding had Black ancestors between both sets of parents. Chancellor also said that Harding attended Iberia College, a school founded to educate fugitive slaves.
Coolidge, the nation's 30th president, served between 1923 and 1929 and supposedly was proud of his heritage. He claimed his mother was dark because of mixed Indian ancestry. Coolidge's mother's maiden name was "Moor," and in Europe, the name "Moor" was given to all Blacks, just as "Negro" was used in America. It later was concluded that Coolidge was part Black.
http://www.diversityinc.com/public/3085.cfm
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Posted by: gar1948 on Nov 9, 2008 1:08 PM
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Obama is not black. His momma was as white as the rest of us honkies.
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