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As an Obama Victory Seems Increasingly Likely, Conservatives Are Getting Panicky and Unhinged
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Posted by: AkamaiAthiest on Nov 3, 2008 12:26 AM
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» RE: Pathetic
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» RE: Pathetic
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» RE: Pathetically low expectations
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» RE: Pathetic
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» Neither McCain nor Obama will be able to stop the coming financial collapse.
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» THESE PEOPLE ARE THE 18% WHO STILL BELIEVE BUSH IS DOING A GOOD JOB...
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Posted by: phillyfinest on Nov 3, 2008 12:45 AM
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I would also say that liberal voters are equally afraid of a McCain-Palin ticket for similar reasons that conservatives are afraid of Obama-Biden: libs also fear they will also take rights away from Americans.
But, I think the biggest difference is that liberals are afraid of the actual policies and past performances of McCain and Palin, and conservatives are afraid of half-truths and lies of who Obama is.
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» RE: It's sad... the 'angry black woman'
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» This angry white male.....
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» RE: It's sad... the 'angry black woman'
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» RE: It's sad... and bizarre
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Posted by: DR. LARRY MITCHELL on Nov 3, 2008 12:53 AM
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Is this America I've viewing here,
or just a few loose screws?
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» Sad but true America
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» It's Not Just Americans
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» RE: It's Not Just Americans
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» RE: It's Not Just Americans
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» In Grosse Point, MI, a woman added a sign to her McCain sign, refusing candy to kids of Obama voters
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» RE: WOW
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» what are the religious nuts angry about?
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» RE: Now, they're got the audacity to be angry at the people who want change!!???
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Posted by: RobNLA on Nov 3, 2008 1:19 AM
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They don't investigate for themselves what the truth is.
For example, the one guy who filed bankruptcy seems to be oblivious to the fact that McCain pushed for deregulation of the finance market leading to the big collapse in the real estate market (due to bad loans).
The rich kids seems to at least be aware of the tax proposals, but only has short term vision. Even if he works for his parents and pulls in a big salary, how rich will his family stay if the US enters a deep recession? Who will buy his family's goods, services, or stock then?
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Posted by: Janey Mack on Nov 3, 2008 1:49 AM
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» Don't feel sorry for the willfully stupid!
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Posted by: BeckyD on Nov 3, 2008 3:20 AM
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I hope he and his people are listening to these voices, because they represent a substantial portion of the citizens of the United States that he's most likely going to be leading come January.
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» I find my own view hardened towards your plea for Dems to listen to voices that represent Americans
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» I agree 1000%
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» RE: Get off the blogs and into the real world
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» RE: Get off the blogs and into the real world
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» And what about the moderates and even independents treading towards Obama?
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» RE: Get off the blogs and into the real world
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» RE: Get into the real world
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» RE: Get off the blogs and into the real world
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Posted by: Don Quixote on Nov 3, 2008 3:30 AM
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Posted by: ~Fiona~ on Nov 3, 2008 3:36 AM
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» RE: So this is what they've brought us to...
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» Laim Sweetie...
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Posted by: cynyk on Nov 3, 2008 3:44 AM
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» RE: Yes, Socialism!!! (Oh, Good "Christians")
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» RE: Socialism??
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» Wow, and I've never had a fire, but pay for the fire department, and the cops never had to come here
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» RE: Wow, and I've never had a fire, but pay for the fire department, and the cops never had to come
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» assumption
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» RE: Socialism??
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» RE: Socialism??
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» Ever drive on an interstate highway? That's socialism...
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» RE: ver drive on an interstate highway? That's socialism...
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» Look this up cynyk
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» "thought" you say???
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» I had never invested in stocks or derivatives...
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» RE:THAT'S BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T GO TO SCHOOL, MORON!
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» OMG SOCIALISM!
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» Heaven is socialist
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» RE: Socialism??
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Posted by: Magginkat on Nov 3, 2008 4:16 AM
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The reinforces my plans to give my grandchildren books for Christmas!
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Posted by: illit on Nov 3, 2008 4:20 AM
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We have lost: freedom, constitutional rights, world respect, jobs, health care, economic security, even science/education is under attack by religious zealots -------- AND still they cling to the monster that is the Republican Party.
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» RE: seems more like abused spouses -
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» well, ya gotta admit...
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Posted by: taxidriver on Nov 3, 2008 5:02 AM
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And sadly the McCain-Palin campaign has played to these fears.
Country first? I think not. Fear first might be a more appropriate slogan.
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» Jesus Christ, nobody's taking away the guns!
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Posted by: Allstar Cookie on Nov 3, 2008 5:29 AM
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Both parties exploit the extremes of the other.
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» I'll believe we have loose screws on the same level when we start shouting the same things
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» RE: Both sides have loose screws
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Posted by: desidid on Nov 3, 2008 5:55 AM
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» Why Can't You Blame Them...
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» WE absolutely should blame them!
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Posted by: closecrater on Nov 3, 2008 5:59 AM
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Posted by: FAITHCARR on Nov 3, 2008 6:00 AM
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I've got to wonder just what these folks will actually do when Obama gets elected.
God's will and all...
Going to be a wild ride Mr. Toad.
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» RE: I've got to wonder just what these folks will actually do when Obama gets elected.
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Posted by: RedFoxOne on Nov 3, 2008 6:11 AM
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Posted by: maxpayne on Nov 3, 2008 6:27 AM
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Posted by: Longdream on Nov 3, 2008 6:55 AM
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Some of them are gullible and have fallen for the lowest-common-denominator party line, but what I heard for the most part, whether it was about abortion or taxes, was, "Hooray for me, fuck you!" That's pretty sad, but it's always been the unofficial motto of the Bush Administration. I hear it's the watermark on White House stationery now.
This way of thinking exists right now only in a small segment of the population. The numbers say that the Republican "base", the sort of person we see here that Palin was hired to mobilize, makes up only about 25% of Republican voters right now, and an even smaller portion of the general population. Look at the video. Where are the crowds? Where are the people three-deep clamoring for that angry guy's t-shirts?
Sure, there's a large segment of the American population of voting age that doesn't know a damned thing and doesn't want to know, and lives via tv sitcoms and the sports page. They've probably never voted, and aren't planning to start tomorrow. Before now, the record voter turnout for this country was 63.1% in 1960. Tomorrow we should break that record. Between 1960 and now, the highest turnout for people of voting age in a Presidential election was 55.3% in 2004. See for yourself.
There have always been extremists on both sides. And there have always been the indifferent.
The pendulum is about to swing, and the days of hooray for the powerful, the days of religiosity masquerading as government, the days of unenlightened self-interest going unchallenged, the days of Rush, Billo, Hannity and the rest of the smug schmucks will soon be over.
Stupid people, unfortunately, will always be with us.
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» RE: These people weren't loons.
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Posted by: AMERICAN VETERAN on Nov 3, 2008 6:57 AM
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It is so wonderfully encouraging that we are on the verge of bringing back RATIONAL thinking to the white house.
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Posted by: zooeyhall on Nov 3, 2008 6:57 AM
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Posted by: Dana L. Stern on Nov 3, 2008 6:59 AM
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Posted by: Dana L. Stern on Nov 3, 2008 6:59 AM
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» RE: You're an example of an extremist, too.
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» You need better examples of what's false...
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Posted by: rg on Nov 3, 2008 7:18 AM
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» RE: Obama
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» RE: Obama
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Posted by: shinseiji on Nov 3, 2008 7:26 AM
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It is not like there is anything to discuss with these people.
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» RE: wingnuts - can we now just smack the snot out of them?
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Posted by: Grandma Crabby on Nov 3, 2008 7:29 AM
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Sigh...
I think one of the root problems in this country is misinformation. Where are these people getting their "facts?"
The things they say they are afraid of are much more likely to happen (or have already happened) with continued Republican rule.
Obama wants to change the national anthem? This is just all so much horse hooey it drives me nuts.
I prefer to deal in reality, but most people today do not seem to be able to distinguish what reality even is. Of course, they would say the same thing about me. They think they have the facts. Yup, Obama is a Muslim terrorist Robin Hood who wants to destroy America.
If America had a decent news media, I think much of the polarisation would disappear because there would not be so much wild propaganda pulling people into the bizzarro world.
People are confused and ignorant. Makes me want to lock my door and just stay home where there is some semblance of sanity.
All this B.S. inspired me to make a crazy You Tube video poking fun at the whole mess. Click the link below.
Granny's crazy videos = Go get a chuckle!
Luv,
granny
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» RE: Listening to these people spew
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Posted by: hms2004 on Nov 3, 2008 7:48 AM
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Posted by: hurricane hugo on Nov 3, 2008 8:21 AM
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jdfu!
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» Agreed!
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» RE: We SHOULD change the national anthem
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» RE: We SHOULD change the national anthem... OTOH....
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» Another perspective
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» RE: We SHOULD change the national anthem
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Posted by: dayahka on Nov 3, 2008 9:05 AM
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Posted by: LeeAnnG on Nov 3, 2008 9:35 AM
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Obviously this guy has had his head in the sand (or some other equally dark place) for the past eight years. The Bush Administration has been notorious for its drunken sailor spending sprees, earmarks, and ballooning deficits.
It seems that this election cycle has seen some of the most informed citizens I've ever encountered, but it has also brought out some of the most ignorant, too. People are talking politics in grocery lines, in waiting rooms, at parties, and in their homes as never before in my lifetime (I'm 61). One of my friends, a relatively uneducated working class guy who grew up in the most rural, poor conditions one can imagine (no indoor toilet, having to hunt and eat from the garden to survive - as opposed to doing it because the family wanted to), went on at great length yesterday about why he thinks Obama would be a good president and why McCain would be terrible. He was right-on about all of it. This person, who grew up thinking the "N" word was just the term used to describe blacks, has absolutely no problem with Obama's race. It's just not an issue for him.
And then there are the people I overheard saying they didn't like any of the candidates until Palin was on the ticket, and still think Obama is a Communist or a Muslim. Or both. From their conversation, it was obvious they had no idea whatsoever about what "Communist" means.
These days, there are a lot more rural working class people who are astute and informed, probably at least partly due to the Internet and the easy access to information. But at the same time we still have far too many Palin-Joe-the-Plumber supporters who don't have a clue.
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Posted by: Anomalek on Nov 3, 2008 10:02 AM
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Posted by: Bayardtom on Nov 3, 2008 10:02 AM
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One would think that they could see the state of the country and the world as a result of the Bush crime family's rule as despots. They have shredded the Constitution; they have portrayed themselves as Christians when Jesus would really be pissed if he could see what they are doing; they have made war where there was no reason to make war, not that there is ever a real reason to make war since we have brains and should use diplomacy instead of force where there is a problem.
But to see those two brainless idiots spew their venom on the poor ignorant people in this country is hateful. It is all part of the Republican plot over the past decades to dumb down the people to the point where they can be manipulated to respond in this manner. It's infuriating and sad at once. But it's time for those of who realize what has happened to try to spread the word that McCain is not a good guy and never has been a good guy and certainly Palin is not a good woman. She has plans of her own as to the future. Lets just hope that, as it always happens, when they lose the election, she will never be heard of again and those men who were so taken by her will be chastened and learn from this.
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Posted by: clem on Nov 3, 2008 10:44 AM
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Posted by: tbpmom56 on Nov 3, 2008 11:24 AM
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I am so sick of seeing Sarah Palin and John McCain here in Ohio with their hate and scare tactics and propaganda.
The ads and phone calls and mailers to our home have been constant for weeks.
I am not a religious nut, but please Lord(who ever,or whatever you are), let Obama win!!!!
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Posted by: GuitarBill on Nov 3, 2008 11:49 AM
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Posted by: blurider on Nov 3, 2008 11:54 AM
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What if John McCain was a former president of the Harvard Law Review? What if Barack Obama finished fifth from the bottom of his graduating class?
What if McCain had only married once, and Obama was a divorcee? What if Obama was the candidate who left his first wife after a severe disfiguring car accident, when she no longer measured up to his standards? What if Obama had met his second wife in a bar and had a long affair while he was still married?
What if Michelle Obama was the wife who not only became addicted to pain-killers but also acquired them illegally through her charitable organization? What if Cindy McCain graduated from Harvard?
What if Obama had been a member of the Keating Five? (The Keating Five were five United States Senators accused of corruption in 1989, igniting a major political scandal as part of the larger Savings and Loan crisis of the late 1980s and early 1990s.)
What if McCain was a charismatic, eloquent speaker? What if Obama couldn't read from a teleprompter?
What if Obama was the one who had military experience that included discipline problems and a record of crashing planes?
What if Obama was the one who was known to display publicly, on many occasions, a serious anger management problem?
What if Michelle Obama's family had made their money from beer distribution?
You could easily add to this list. If these questions reflected reality, do you really believe the election numbers would be as close as they are?
This is what racism does. It covers up, rationalizes and minimizes positive qualities in one candidate and emphasizes negative qualities in another when there is a color difference.
Educational Backgrounds:
Barack Obama: Columbia University - B..A. Political Science with a Specialization in International Relations. Harvard - Juris Doctor (J.D.) Magna Cum Laude
Joseph Biden: University of Delaware - B.A. in History and B.A. in Political Science. Syracuse University College of Law - Juris Doctor (J.D.)
vs.
John McCain: United States Naval Academy - Class rank: 894 of 899 ( 6th from the bottom!!! )
Sarah Palin: Hawaii Pacific University - 1 semester North Idaho College - 2 semesters - general study University of Idaho - 2 semesters Journalism Matanuska-Susitna College - 1 semester University of Idaho - 3 semesters - B.A. in Journalism
Education isn't everything, but this is about the two highest offices in the land as well as our standing in the world...you make the call.
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Posted by: Talleyrand on Nov 3, 2008 11:54 AM
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My friends are certainly hoping that Obama will change things and perhaps bring a peace-focus on policy, rather than a war focus. We'll see, power does a lot include corrupt the best of them. But I personally have hope for Obama.
And I urge everyone not to let up until the deal is done.
Cheers.
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Posted by: bookie on Nov 3, 2008 12:00 PM
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Amazing how paranoid some of these people can be. I received a chain email from my fundy cousin that snopes is in on the liberal plot to elect Obama and take away our freedoms. Sad how determined the right wingnuts are to not see reason. Even their body language in that video told me they are trying to shut their eyes to the truth.
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Posted by: ah2323 on Nov 3, 2008 12:03 PM
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» RE: Stupid White People
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Posted by: SkeeterVT1 on Nov 3, 2008 12:05 PM
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The Conservative Era is about to come to an end and these people simply can't handle it. I feel sorry for them. They're going through what progressives went through when Reagan was elected.
Nothing lasts forever. The Great Liberal Era of JFK ended in 1980 after 20 years. Now the Great Conservative Era is coming to an end after 28 years. The pendulum never stays in one place; political, ideological and cultural norms always change with every succeeding generation-- and there's absolutely nothing that can stop it.
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Posted by: cori on Nov 3, 2008 12:14 PM
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That's the nightmare. Here's the cold reality.
Swing state Colorado. Before this election, two Republican secretaries of state purged 19.4 percent of the entire voter roll. One in five voters. Pfft!
Swing state New Mexico. One in nine voters in this year's Democratic caucus found their names missing from the state-provided voter registries. And not just any voters. County by county, the number of voters disappeared was in direct proportion to the nonwhite population. Gore won the state by 366 votes; Kerry lost it by only 5,900. Despite reassurances that all has been fixed for Tuesday, Democrats lost from the list in February told me they're still "disappeared" from the lists this week.
Swing state Indiana. In this year's primary, ten nuns were turned away from the polls because of the state's new voter ID law. They had drivers' licenses, but being in their 80s and 90s, they'd let their licenses expire. Cute. But what isn't cute is this: 566,000 registered voters in that state don't have the ID required to vote. Most are racial minorities, the very elderly and first-time voters; that is, Obama voters. Twenty-three other states have new, vote-snatching ID requirements.
Swing state Florida. Despite a lawsuit battle waged by the Brennan Center for Justice, the state's Republican apparatchiks are attempting to block the votes of 85,000 new registrants, forcing them to pass through a new "verification" process. Funny thing: verification applies only to those who signed up in voter drives (mostly black), but not to voters registering at motor vehicle offices (mostly white).
Here's an ugly little secret about American democracy: We don't count all the votes. In 2004, based on the data from the US Elections Assistance Commission, 3,006,080 votes were not counted: "spoiled," unreadable and blank ballots; "provisional" ballots rejected; mail-in ballots disqualified.
This Tuesday, it will be worse. Much worse.
That's what I found while traveling the nation over the last year for BBC Television and Rolling Stone Magazine, working with voting rights attorney Robert F. Kennedy Jr. This we guarantee: there will be far more votes disappeared by Tuesday night than the three million lost in 2004. A six-million vote swipe, quite likely, shifts 4 percent of the ballots, within the margin of error of the tightest polls.
Begin with this harsh statistic: since the last election, more than ten million voters have been purged from the nation's vote registries. And that's just the start of the steal.
If the noncount were random, it wouldn't matter. But it's not random. A US Civil Rights Commission analysis shows that the chance a black voter's ballot will "spoil" or be blank is 900 percent higher than a white voter's.
Does that mean the election's stolen and you should forget voting and just go back to bed for four years? Hell, no. It means you vote and vote smart, learn how to pry their filthy little hands off your ballot (there's a link at the end).
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Posted by: Kym525 on Nov 3, 2008 1:20 PM
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All I saw in that clip was a bunch of IGNORANT white people who are too gutless to say what they really believe--and that is they DO NOT want to see a black man in the White House. It frightens them to no end because this isn't the kind of world they are used to. They still have the mentality of those who lived in the 50's and 60's before those "pesky" civil rights folks "messed up" the status quo.
These people have had 21 months to thoroughly examine every angle of Barack Obama's record and his policies and it is rather obvious that these pathetic slugs have not done so. Instead, they have gotten their information (if one can call it that) from Faux News and Rush Lame-baugh.
This isn't about differences in policy, because even when the Republicans controlled Congress and the Senate, they still couldn't balance the budget nor did they manage to repeal Roe v. Wade. This is all about irrational fear and hatred. Ironically, the same Obama tax cuts they scoff at will be the same ones that will actually benefit them and their families.
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Posted by: redceres on Nov 3, 2008 2:15 PM
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Columbus is a major urban center with the largest university in the country. There is "stupid" there. There is also "stupid" in Los Angeles, on Wall Street, and on the Loop in Chicago.
There are greedy, self-righteous morons all over the place. Can we stop trying to tell people from one part of the country or other that we will de facto mock them upon hearing where they're from?
Can we start talking to people from every part of the country with a little respect?
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Posted by: DaBear on Nov 3, 2008 2:50 PM
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Look, every last person in this video is a total fuckhead; vapid, puerile, ignorant, and stubborn. They're pathologically lazy, dishonest, and narcissists. My own Dad is one of that brand of pathetic excuse for a human being. He hates McCrazy but he just couldn't bring himself to vote for Obama or even McKinney or Nader... he's given 15 different nonsensical reasons, all completely out of character with who he is and what he believes in, he's just making shit up so he can maintain his long standing habits, and so he doesn't have to come out and admit he's doing it so he doesn't vote for a n*gra--let's face it people, these dipshits are just patent KKK types, plain and simple and they are scared to death of their own shadows as a result. It's so pathetic. It's unreasonable, reckless and irresponsible and unbecoming of a human being.
They hate us and we are shocked by them. It's assinine. I hope someone gets the names of those in the vid so someone can at least try to begin publicly humiliating them on a routine basis. Or sumpin'...
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Posted by: LeaderofMen on Nov 3, 2008 3:52 PM
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But no.
It wasn't.
It was real voters who are totally ignorant of reality. At a McCain rally.
My god. No wonder the world laughs at us.
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We planned to meet in Crescent City, CA about half way between my place in the Bay Area and his in Vancouver, WA. How this came up I don't remember, but it was just before the elections in 2006 and at some point I mentioned that I thought that was a pretty liberal area. His response was, "Then I guess they won't care much for us."
The funny thing is that he's opposed to the war, the underfunding of VA hospitals, insane drug laws, religious fanaticism, and every other Bush/GOP position that I've ever discussed with him. But he's from an area and a background that considers itself conservative...
Long story short, I think most GOP voters are liberals who don't even realize it: They're working like crazy to stay afloat and just don't have the time or energy to re-evaluate where, politically, their own views and the reality of their situations logically places them.
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ashamed to admit that. They must be working
2 jobs to be this uninformed and they are
working 2 jobs because the republicans have
put them in this mess while brainwashing them
at the same time. OMFG. The more I find out
the more I wish I didn't know. The BS is
out of control. These people say these things
with a straight face. The say these things in
anger. They have to be listening to Bill O'Rielly
and Rush Limbaugh and Fox News. Beware the
power of the conservative media!
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Posted by: Nhickman on Nov 3, 2008 10:49 PM
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I'd love to see more videos that show a plethora of viewpoints, all in one place, rather than ones like this one that do their utmost to point out the cultural divide, so hyped up by both campaigns and the media. Showing these isolated videos of the extremists and those gullible to the spin of emails and media hype shows, we're seeing, I suspect, a very small spectrum of the average voter who's hoping for something that will change the way their lives work, and I say this, hopefully, for both Obama and McCain supporters. Surely it's not so black and white as this video paints it.
This presidential election cycle has been one of the ugliest in my memory, and I've been voting since 1976. I don't know that we've come out cleanly with this one, what with the racial and sexist aspersions that have been cast not only on the part of the Republicans but also in the early days of the primaries, from both parties. The low level of our political discourse has only sunk lower, in my opinion, exacerbated by an extraordinary amount of dependence on cable news and their sundry biases.
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How many American families have been ruined by war?
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Read this article about hidden statistics
on black-on-white crime (mainstream media
refuse to report the awful impact black
men have had on society):
"Paul Sheehan, an Australian reporter, dug out the following Information for an article in the Sydney Morning Herald, May 2, 1995.
Sheehan based his statistics on crime data compiled by the FBI and partially reported each year in The FBI Uniform Crime Report . These reports can be researched At the FBI's website, www.fbi.gov.
"Since the FBI doesn't distinguish between Hispanics and whites, Sheehan's statistics don't adequately reflect the black-white crime situation.
"Only about 10-15% of Hispanics are white, with the rest being Indian or a mixture of white, American Indian, and blacks.
"Hispanic crime rates are almost as high as black crime rates. This means that the data Sheehan compiled on inter-racial crime is probably grossly understated since a considerable portion of the "white against black" crime actually is Hispanic-against-black crime. (Information about this aspect of inter-racial crime will be presented in a related article.)
"Here is the information Sheehan uncovered in his analysis of the FBI's crime reports:
-"Blacks murder more than 1,600 whites each year.
-"Blacks murder whites at 18 times the rate whites murder blacks.
-"Blacks murdered, raped, robbed, or assaulted about one million whites In 1992.
-"In the last 30 years, blacks committed 170 million violent and non-violent crimes against whites.
-"Blacks under 18 are more than 12 times more likely to be arrested for murder than whites under 18.
-"About 90% of the victims of interracial crimes are white.
-"Blacks commit 7.5 times more violent interracial crimes than whites, although whites outnumber blacks by 7 to 1.
-"On a per capita basis, blacks commit 50 times more violent crime than whites.
-"Black neighborhoods are 35 times more violent than white neighborhoods.
-"Of the 27 million nonviolent robberies in 1992, 31% (8.4 million) were committed by blacks against whites. Less than 2% were committed by whites against blacks.
-"Of the 6.6 million violent crimes, 20% (1.3 million) were interracial.
-"Of the the 1.3 million interracial violent crimes, 90% (1.17 million) are black against white.
-"In the past 20 years, violent crime increased four times faster than the population.
-"In the last 30 years (1964-94), more than 45,000 people were killed in interracial murders compared to 38,000 killed in Korea and 58,000 in Vietnam.
-"Sheehan commented that the contents of his article could not possibly be published or discussed in the U.S. mainstream media.
-"In the last 50 years, the white part of the American population has declined from 90% to 72%. The U.S. now has about 33 million blacks and 25 million Hispanics (legal and illegal). By the year 2050, American whites will be a minority, just 49%. By 2100, whites will be 25% of the population.
-"What will life for whites be like in the future?"
-end of report
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Posted by: phillyfinest on Nov 3, 2008 12:45 AM
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I would also say that liberal voters are equally afraid of a McCain-Palin ticket for similar reasons that conservatives are afraid of Obama-Biden: libs also fear they will also take rights away from Americans.
But, I think the biggest difference is that liberals are afraid of the actual policies and past performances of McCain and Palin, and conservatives are afraid of half-truths and lies of who Obama is.
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Posted by: DR. LARRY MITCHELL on Nov 3, 2008 12:53 AM
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Is this America I've viewing here,
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Posted by: RobNLA on Nov 3, 2008 1:19 AM
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They don't investigate for themselves what the truth is.
For example, the one guy who filed bankruptcy seems to be oblivious to the fact that McCain pushed for deregulation of the finance market leading to the big collapse in the real estate market (due to bad loans).
The rich kids seems to at least be aware of the tax proposals, but only has short term vision. Even if he works for his parents and pulls in a big salary, how rich will his family stay if the US enters a deep recession? Who will buy his family's goods, services, or stock then?
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Posted by: BeckyD on Nov 3, 2008 3:20 AM
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I hope he and his people are listening to these voices, because they represent a substantial portion of the citizens of the United States that he's most likely going to be leading come January.
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Posted by: Magginkat on Nov 3, 2008 4:16 AM
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The reinforces my plans to give my grandchildren books for Christmas!
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Posted by: illit on Nov 3, 2008 4:20 AM
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We have lost: freedom, constitutional rights, world respect, jobs, health care, economic security, even science/education is under attack by religious zealots -------- AND still they cling to the monster that is the Republican Party.
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Posted by: taxidriver on Nov 3, 2008 5:02 AM
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And sadly the McCain-Palin campaign has played to these fears.
Country first? I think not. Fear first might be a more appropriate slogan.
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Both parties exploit the extremes of the other.
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I've got to wonder just what these folks will actually do when Obama gets elected.
God's will and all...
Going to be a wild ride Mr. Toad.
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Jiff
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Posted by: Longdream on Nov 3, 2008 6:55 AM
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Some of them are gullible and have fallen for the lowest-common-denominator party line, but what I heard for the most part, whether it was about abortion or taxes, was, "Hooray for me, fuck you!" That's pretty sad, but it's always been the unofficial motto of the Bush Administration. I hear it's the watermark on White House stationery now.
This way of thinking exists right now only in a small segment of the population. The numbers say that the Republican "base", the sort of person we see here that Palin was hired to mobilize, makes up only about 25% of Republican voters right now, and an even smaller portion of the general population. Look at the video. Where are the crowds? Where are the people three-deep clamoring for that angry guy's t-shirts?
Sure, there's a large segment of the American population of voting age that doesn't know a damned thing and doesn't want to know, and lives via tv sitcoms and the sports page. They've probably never voted, and aren't planning to start tomorrow. Before now, the record voter turnout for this country was 63.1% in 1960. Tomorrow we should break that record. Between 1960 and now, the highest turnout for people of voting age in a Presidential election was 55.3% in 2004. See for yourself.
There have always been extremists on both sides. And there have always been the indifferent.
The pendulum is about to swing, and the days of hooray for the powerful, the days of religiosity masquerading as government, the days of unenlightened self-interest going unchallenged, the days of Rush, Billo, Hannity and the rest of the smug schmucks will soon be over.
Stupid people, unfortunately, will always be with us.
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Posted by: AMERICAN VETERAN on Nov 3, 2008 6:57 AM
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It is so wonderfully encouraging that we are on the verge of bringing back RATIONAL thinking to the white house.
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Posted by: shinseiji on Nov 3, 2008 7:26 AM
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It is not like there is anything to discuss with these people.
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Posted by: Grandma Crabby on Nov 3, 2008 7:29 AM
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Sigh...
I think one of the root problems in this country is misinformation. Where are these people getting their "facts?"
The things they say they are afraid of are much more likely to happen (or have already happened) with continued Republican rule.
Obama wants to change the national anthem? This is just all so much horse hooey it drives me nuts.
I prefer to deal in reality, but most people today do not seem to be able to distinguish what reality even is. Of course, they would say the same thing about me. They think they have the facts. Yup, Obama is a Muslim terrorist Robin Hood who wants to destroy America.
If America had a decent news media, I think much of the polarisation would disappear because there would not be so much wild propaganda pulling people into the bizzarro world.
People are confused and ignorant. Makes me want to lock my door and just stay home where there is some semblance of sanity.
All this B.S. inspired me to make a crazy You Tube video poking fun at the whole mess. Click the link below.
Granny's crazy videos = Go get a chuckle!
Luv,
granny
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Posted by: hurricane hugo on Nov 3, 2008 8:21 AM
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Posted by: dayahka on Nov 3, 2008 9:05 AM
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Posted by: LeeAnnG on Nov 3, 2008 9:35 AM
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Obviously this guy has had his head in the sand (or some other equally dark place) for the past eight years. The Bush Administration has been notorious for its drunken sailor spending sprees, earmarks, and ballooning deficits.
It seems that this election cycle has seen some of the most informed citizens I've ever encountered, but it has also brought out some of the most ignorant, too. People are talking politics in grocery lines, in waiting rooms, at parties, and in their homes as never before in my lifetime (I'm 61). One of my friends, a relatively uneducated working class guy who grew up in the most rural, poor conditions one can imagine (no indoor toilet, having to hunt and eat from the garden to survive - as opposed to doing it because the family wanted to), went on at great length yesterday about why he thinks Obama would be a good president and why McCain would be terrible. He was right-on about all of it. This person, who grew up thinking the "N" word was just the term used to describe blacks, has absolutely no problem with Obama's race. It's just not an issue for him.
And then there are the people I overheard saying they didn't like any of the candidates until Palin was on the ticket, and still think Obama is a Communist or a Muslim. Or both. From their conversation, it was obvious they had no idea whatsoever about what "Communist" means.
These days, there are a lot more rural working class people who are astute and informed, probably at least partly due to the Internet and the easy access to information. But at the same time we still have far too many Palin-Joe-the-Plumber supporters who don't have a clue.
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Posted by: Anomalek on Nov 3, 2008 10:02 AM
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Posted by: Bayardtom on Nov 3, 2008 10:02 AM
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One would think that they could see the state of the country and the world as a result of the Bush crime family's rule as despots. They have shredded the Constitution; they have portrayed themselves as Christians when Jesus would really be pissed if he could see what they are doing; they have made war where there was no reason to make war, not that there is ever a real reason to make war since we have brains and should use diplomacy instead of force where there is a problem.
But to see those two brainless idiots spew their venom on the poor ignorant people in this country is hateful. It is all part of the Republican plot over the past decades to dumb down the people to the point where they can be manipulated to respond in this manner. It's infuriating and sad at once. But it's time for those of who realize what has happened to try to spread the word that McCain is not a good guy and never has been a good guy and certainly Palin is not a good woman. She has plans of her own as to the future. Lets just hope that, as it always happens, when they lose the election, she will never be heard of again and those men who were so taken by her will be chastened and learn from this.
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Posted by: clem on Nov 3, 2008 10:44 AM
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Posted by: tbpmom56 on Nov 3, 2008 11:24 AM
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I am so sick of seeing Sarah Palin and John McCain here in Ohio with their hate and scare tactics and propaganda.
The ads and phone calls and mailers to our home have been constant for weeks.
I am not a religious nut, but please Lord(who ever,or whatever you are), let Obama win!!!!
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Posted by: GuitarBill on Nov 3, 2008 11:49 AM
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Posted by: blurider on Nov 3, 2008 11:54 AM
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What if John McCain was a former president of the Harvard Law Review? What if Barack Obama finished fifth from the bottom of his graduating class?
What if McCain had only married once, and Obama was a divorcee? What if Obama was the candidate who left his first wife after a severe disfiguring car accident, when she no longer measured up to his standards? What if Obama had met his second wife in a bar and had a long affair while he was still married?
What if Michelle Obama was the wife who not only became addicted to pain-killers but also acquired them illegally through her charitable organization? What if Cindy McCain graduated from Harvard?
What if Obama had been a member of the Keating Five? (The Keating Five were five United States Senators accused of corruption in 1989, igniting a major political scandal as part of the larger Savings and Loan crisis of the late 1980s and early 1990s.)
What if McCain was a charismatic, eloquent speaker? What if Obama couldn't read from a teleprompter?
What if Obama was the one who had military experience that included discipline problems and a record of crashing planes?
What if Obama was the one who was known to display publicly, on many occasions, a serious anger management problem?
What if Michelle Obama's family had made their money from beer distribution?
You could easily add to this list. If these questions reflected reality, do you really believe the election numbers would be as close as they are?
This is what racism does. It covers up, rationalizes and minimizes positive qualities in one candidate and emphasizes negative qualities in another when there is a color difference.
Educational Backgrounds:
Barack Obama: Columbia University - B..A. Political Science with a Specialization in International Relations. Harvard - Juris Doctor (J.D.) Magna Cum Laude
Joseph Biden: University of Delaware - B.A. in History and B.A. in Political Science. Syracuse University College of Law - Juris Doctor (J.D.)
vs.
John McCain: United States Naval Academy - Class rank: 894 of 899 ( 6th from the bottom!!! )
Sarah Palin: Hawaii Pacific University - 1 semester North Idaho College - 2 semesters - general study University of Idaho - 2 semesters Journalism Matanuska-Susitna College - 1 semester University of Idaho - 3 semesters - B.A. in Journalism
Education isn't everything, but this is about the two highest offices in the land as well as our standing in the world...you make the call.
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Posted by: Talleyrand on Nov 3, 2008 11:54 AM
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My friends are certainly hoping that Obama will change things and perhaps bring a peace-focus on policy, rather than a war focus. We'll see, power does a lot include corrupt the best of them. But I personally have hope for Obama.
And I urge everyone not to let up until the deal is done.
Cheers.
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Posted by: bookie on Nov 3, 2008 12:00 PM
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Amazing how paranoid some of these people can be. I received a chain email from my fundy cousin that snopes is in on the liberal plot to elect Obama and take away our freedoms. Sad how determined the right wingnuts are to not see reason. Even their body language in that video told me they are trying to shut their eyes to the truth.
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Posted by: ah2323 on Nov 3, 2008 12:03 PM
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Posted by: SkeeterVT1 on Nov 3, 2008 12:05 PM
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The Conservative Era is about to come to an end and these people simply can't handle it. I feel sorry for them. They're going through what progressives went through when Reagan was elected.
Nothing lasts forever. The Great Liberal Era of JFK ended in 1980 after 20 years. Now the Great Conservative Era is coming to an end after 28 years. The pendulum never stays in one place; political, ideological and cultural norms always change with every succeeding generation-- and there's absolutely nothing that can stop it.
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Posted by: cori on Nov 3, 2008 12:14 PM
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That's the nightmare. Here's the cold reality.
Swing state Colorado. Before this election, two Republican secretaries of state purged 19.4 percent of the entire voter roll. One in five voters. Pfft!
Swing state New Mexico. One in nine voters in this year's Democratic caucus found their names missing from the state-provided voter registries. And not just any voters. County by county, the number of voters disappeared was in direct proportion to the nonwhite population. Gore won the state by 366 votes; Kerry lost it by only 5,900. Despite reassurances that all has been fixed for Tuesday, Democrats lost from the list in February told me they're still "disappeared" from the lists this week.
Swing state Indiana. In this year's primary, ten nuns were turned away from the polls because of the state's new voter ID law. They had drivers' licenses, but being in their 80s and 90s, they'd let their licenses expire. Cute. But what isn't cute is this: 566,000 registered voters in that state don't have the ID required to vote. Most are racial minorities, the very elderly and first-time voters; that is, Obama voters. Twenty-three other states have new, vote-snatching ID requirements.
Swing state Florida. Despite a lawsuit battle waged by the Brennan Center for Justice, the state's Republican apparatchiks are attempting to block the votes of 85,000 new registrants, forcing them to pass through a new "verification" process. Funny thing: verification applies only to those who signed up in voter drives (mostly black), but not to voters registering at motor vehicle offices (mostly white).
Here's an ugly little secret about American democracy: We don't count all the votes. In 2004, based on the data from the US Elections Assistance Commission, 3,006,080 votes were not counted: "spoiled," unreadable and blank ballots; "provisional" ballots rejected; mail-in ballots disqualified.
This Tuesday, it will be worse. Much worse.
That's what I found while traveling the nation over the last year for BBC Television and Rolling Stone Magazine, working with voting rights attorney Robert F. Kennedy Jr. This we guarantee: there will be far more votes disappeared by Tuesday night than the three million lost in 2004. A six-million vote swipe, quite likely, shifts 4 percent of the ballots, within the margin of error of the tightest polls.
Begin with this harsh statistic: since the last election, more than ten million voters have been purged from the nation's vote registries. And that's just the start of the steal.
If the noncount were random, it wouldn't matter. But it's not random. A US Civil Rights Commission analysis shows that the chance a black voter's ballot will "spoil" or be blank is 900 percent higher than a white voter's.
Does that mean the election's stolen and you should forget voting and just go back to bed for four years? Hell, no. It means you vote and vote smart, learn how to pry their filthy little hands off your ballot (there's a link at the end).
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Posted by: wolfgangmo on Nov 3, 2008 12:29 PM
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Posted by: silver flute on Nov 3, 2008 12:48 PM
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Posted by: Kym525 on Nov 3, 2008 1:20 PM
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All I saw in that clip was a bunch of IGNORANT white people who are too gutless to say what they really believe--and that is they DO NOT want to see a black man in the White House. It frightens them to no end because this isn't the kind of world they are used to. They still have the mentality of those who lived in the 50's and 60's before those "pesky" civil rights folks "messed up" the status quo.
These people have had 21 months to thoroughly examine every angle of Barack Obama's record and his policies and it is rather obvious that these pathetic slugs have not done so. Instead, they have gotten their information (if one can call it that) from Faux News and Rush Lame-baugh.
This isn't about differences in policy, because even when the Republicans controlled Congress and the Senate, they still couldn't balance the budget nor did they manage to repeal Roe v. Wade. This is all about irrational fear and hatred. Ironically, the same Obama tax cuts they scoff at will be the same ones that will actually benefit them and their families.
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Posted by: redceres on Nov 3, 2008 2:15 PM
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Columbus is a major urban center with the largest university in the country. There is "stupid" there. There is also "stupid" in Los Angeles, on Wall Street, and on the Loop in Chicago.
There are greedy, self-righteous morons all over the place. Can we stop trying to tell people from one part of the country or other that we will de facto mock them upon hearing where they're from?
Can we start talking to people from every part of the country with a little respect?
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Posted by: DaBear on Nov 3, 2008 2:50 PM
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Look, every last person in this video is a total fuckhead; vapid, puerile, ignorant, and stubborn. They're pathologically lazy, dishonest, and narcissists. My own Dad is one of that brand of pathetic excuse for a human being. He hates McCrazy but he just couldn't bring himself to vote for Obama or even McKinney or Nader... he's given 15 different nonsensical reasons, all completely out of character with who he is and what he believes in, he's just making shit up so he can maintain his long standing habits, and so he doesn't have to come out and admit he's doing it so he doesn't vote for a n*gra--let's face it people, these dipshits are just patent KKK types, plain and simple and they are scared to death of their own shadows as a result. It's so pathetic. It's unreasonable, reckless and irresponsible and unbecoming of a human being.
They hate us and we are shocked by them. It's assinine. I hope someone gets the names of those in the vid so someone can at least try to begin publicly humiliating them on a routine basis. Or sumpin'...
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Posted by: LeaderofMen on Nov 3, 2008 3:52 PM
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But no.
It wasn't.
It was real voters who are totally ignorant of reality. At a McCain rally.
My god. No wonder the world laughs at us.
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Posted by: Jdog on Nov 3, 2008 3:59 PM
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We planned to meet in Crescent City, CA about half way between my place in the Bay Area and his in Vancouver, WA. How this came up I don't remember, but it was just before the elections in 2006 and at some point I mentioned that I thought that was a pretty liberal area. His response was, "Then I guess they won't care much for us."
The funny thing is that he's opposed to the war, the underfunding of VA hospitals, insane drug laws, religious fanaticism, and every other Bush/GOP position that I've ever discussed with him. But he's from an area and a background that considers itself conservative...
Long story short, I think most GOP voters are liberals who don't even realize it: They're working like crazy to stay afloat and just don't have the time or energy to re-evaluate where, politically, their own views and the reality of their situations logically places them.
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Posted by: cori on Nov 3, 2008 5:35 PM
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Posted by: cori on Nov 3, 2008 5:39 PM
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Posted by: Fahrion on Nov 3, 2008 6:49 PM
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ashamed to admit that. They must be working
2 jobs to be this uninformed and they are
working 2 jobs because the republicans have
put them in this mess while brainwashing them
at the same time. OMFG. The more I find out
the more I wish I didn't know. The BS is
out of control. These people say these things
with a straight face. The say these things in
anger. They have to be listening to Bill O'Rielly
and Rush Limbaugh and Fox News. Beware the
power of the conservative media!
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Posted by: TerryB on Nov 3, 2008 9:04 PM
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Posted by: Nhickman on Nov 3, 2008 10:49 PM
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I'd love to see more videos that show a plethora of viewpoints, all in one place, rather than ones like this one that do their utmost to point out the cultural divide, so hyped up by both campaigns and the media. Showing these isolated videos of the extremists and those gullible to the spin of emails and media hype shows, we're seeing, I suspect, a very small spectrum of the average voter who's hoping for something that will change the way their lives work, and I say this, hopefully, for both Obama and McCain supporters. Surely it's not so black and white as this video paints it.
This presidential election cycle has been one of the ugliest in my memory, and I've been voting since 1976. I don't know that we've come out cleanly with this one, what with the racial and sexist aspersions that have been cast not only on the part of the Republicans but also in the early days of the primaries, from both parties. The low level of our political discourse has only sunk lower, in my opinion, exacerbated by an extraordinary amount of dependence on cable news and their sundry biases.
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Posted by: Franb on Nov 4, 2008 12:17 AM
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How many American families have been ruined by war?
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Posted by: Elurby on Nov 4, 2008 4:35 AM
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Read this article about hidden statistics
on black-on-white crime (mainstream media
refuse to report the awful impact black
men have had on society):
"Paul Sheehan, an Australian reporter, dug out the following Information for an article in the Sydney Morning Herald, May 2, 1995.
Sheehan based his statistics on crime data compiled by the FBI and partially reported each year in The FBI Uniform Crime Report . These reports can be researched At the FBI's website, www.fbi.gov.
"Since the FBI doesn't distinguish between Hispanics and whites, Sheehan's statistics don't adequately reflect the black-white crime situation.
"Only about 10-15% of Hispanics are white, with the rest being Indian or a mixture of white, American Indian, and blacks.
"Hispanic crime rates are almost as high as black crime rates. This means that the data Sheehan compiled on inter-racial crime is probably grossly understated since a considerable portion of the "white against black" crime actually is Hispanic-against-black crime. (Information about this aspect of inter-racial crime will be presented in a related article.)
"Here is the information Sheehan uncovered in his analysis of the FBI's crime reports:
-"Blacks murder more than 1,600 whites each year.
-"Blacks murder whites at 18 times the rate whites murder blacks.
-"Blacks murdered, raped, robbed, or assaulted about one million whites In 1992.
-"In the last 30 years, blacks committed 170 million violent and non-violent crimes against whites.
-"Blacks under 18 are more than 12 times more likely to be arrested for murder than whites under 18.
-"About 90% of the victims of interracial crimes are white.
-"Blacks commit 7.5 times more violent interracial crimes than whites, although whites outnumber blacks by 7 to 1.
-"On a per capita basis, blacks commit 50 times more violent crime than whites.
-"Black neighborhoods are 35 times more violent than white neighborhoods.
-"Of the 27 million nonviolent robberies in 1992, 31% (8.4 million) were committed by blacks against whites. Less than 2% were committed by whites against blacks.
-"Of the 6.6 million violent crimes, 20% (1.3 million) were interracial.
-"Of the the 1.3 million interracial violent crimes, 90% (1.17 million) are black against white.
-"In the past 20 years, violent crime increased four times faster than the population.
-"In the last 30 years (1964-94), more than 45,000 people were killed in interracial murders compared to 38,000 killed in Korea and 58,000 in Vietnam.
-"Sheehan commented that the contents of his article could not possibly be published or discussed in the U.S. mainstream media.
-"In the last 50 years, the white part of the American population has declined from 90% to 72%. The U.S. now has about 33 million blacks and 25 million Hispanics (legal and illegal). By the year 2050, American whites will be a minority, just 49%. By 2100, whites will be 25% of the population.
-"What will life for whites be like in the future?"
-end of report
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