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Election 2008

Evangelicals and Rural Americans Are Breaking Big for Obama

By Robert S. Eshelman, Tomdispatch.com. Posted October 30, 2008.


A mass defection from the Republican Party may be underway in counties that were once GOP strongholds. Call it the reverse Bradley Effect.
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There's clearly a new political landscape forming in the U.S. That's what the polls are telling us. It's not just that the first major-party black candidate for President is leading by significant margins in the national polls; it's not just that North Dakota, a state George W. Bush won in 2004 by 64%, is believed to be "in play"; it's not just that Virginia which, like North Dakota, was last carried by a Democrat in the sweep year of 1964, is, according to the most recent Washington Post poll and others, in the Obama camp by at least 8 points, or that he's leading in a remarkable number of states Bush took in 2004, or even that Democratic Senate and House candidates are making a run of it in previously ridiculous places.

Consider, instead, three recent polls in the context of the Bush years. Obama and McCain are now in a "statistical dead heat" among born-again evangelicals, those Rovian foot soldiers of two successful Bush elections, according to a recent survey; and the same seems to be true in Sarah Palin's "real America," those rural and small town areas she's praised to the skies. According to a poll commissioned by the Center for Rural Strategies, in those areas which Bush won in 2004 by 53%-41%, Obama now holds a statistically insignificant one point lead. To complete this little trifecta, Gallup has just released a poll showing that Jews are now likely to vote for Obama by a more than 3 to 1 majority (74% to 22%).

If present projections come close to holding, this could prove to be a rare reconfiguring or turning-point election -- as Wall Street expert Steve Fraser first suggested might be possible at TomDispatch way back in February 2007. If so, the Republican Party, only recently besotted by dreams of a generational Pax Republicana, might find itself driven back into the deep South and deep West for who knows how long, "an extremist rump, reduced to a few stronghold states and obsessed with causes that seem not to matter to the general public."

Among the remaining unknowns in this election, of course, are the intertwined issues of class and race. In this regard, few places have been more closely examined than parts of Pennsylvania, a battleground state in which polls show John McCain significantly behind, but which he must capture if he hopes to win this election, and a place where working-class, as well as possibly racist, "Hillary voters" were supposed to be especially strong. Ever since the primaries, reporters have been tromping the state in search of them. Today, TomDispatch has an interesting twist on such articles. We've sent a home-town boy back to Pennsylvania to offer a more personal view of the race there -- and the news isn't good for the future of the Republican Party. -- Introduction by TomDispatch editor, Tom Engelhardt

Meeting Myself in Bucks County

Pennsylvania in the Political (and Personal) Crucible
By Robert S. Eshelman

In 1991, at age 17, I fled Bucks County, an overwhelmingly white, working-class region in southeast Pennsylvania where I grew up. I left because the life of the working class was brutal and I wanted no part of it. I cringed at the racism and xenophobia that seemed to rise out of the anxieties of precarious labor. I desperately hoped there was some alternative to coming home each day looking as battered as did so many grown-ups I would catch staring blankly into TV screens or half-empty glasses of beer.


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Robert Eshelman's articles have appeared in The Brooklyn Rail, In These Times and The Nation.

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Will undecided voters actually vote for Obama on Tuesday?
Posted by: Jay Randal on Oct 30, 2008 1:39 AM   
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The writer of the piece hopes undecided voters are leaning toward Obama, but most of them probably will not vote for him. In the end in comes down to their prejudices. They know McCain is rich, out of touch with reality and too old, but he is white and Obama is black. Nonetheless I believe Obama will win by a slight margin regardless.

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» RE: CORRECTION! Posted by: Cynic13
» Amazing what a Depression can do Posted by: ReallyBearish
It's no wonder the GOP stronghold is fleeing from McCain-Palin!
Posted by: phillyfinest on Oct 30, 2008 1:48 AM   
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Where is the McCain of 2004? Have you seen the way the McCain camp has reacted to anything and everything from Obama's ads to the economic crisis to his VP pick?

You'd have to be nuts to go with Mad McCain!

http://tv1.com/playlists/show/11

His behavior and actions throughout his campaign have been ERRATICQ

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It's no wonder the GOP stronghold is fleeing from McCain-Palin!
Posted by: phillyfinest on Oct 30, 2008 1:49 AM   
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Where is the McCain of 2004? Have you seen the way the McCain camp has reacted to anything and everything from Obama's ads to the economic crisis to his VP pick?

You'd have to be nuts to go with Mad McCain!

http://tv1.com/playlists/show/11

His behavior and actions throughout his campaign have been ERRATICQ

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AndyGra111
Posted by: AndyGra111 on Oct 30, 2008 2:27 AM   
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Reading your story about visiting your old home brought back thoughts of my recent, in May 2008, return to my hometown of Lansdowne. I, also, took an extended walk with my mom around the neighborhood as she pointed out who lived where and ! some were Muslims. As you did, I let it pass. I've lived in New Mexico for 35 years, now, and can't take the humidity or urban density of Phiadelphia. There's a pithier way to say that. Although I wasn't canvassing for politics, I did sense that the dynamics of survival had changed political perceptions. Many more Obama and Hillary yard signs than for any Republican candidate. Lansdowne has always been a Republican bastion. Times Change.

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Reverse Bradley
Posted by: Figfest on Oct 30, 2008 3:52 AM   
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I sent this e-mail to a friend on August 28:

Let me the first to coin the expression "reverse Bradley". I predict that this year there will be many whites afraid to admit publicly that they're supporting Obama because of their abusive friends, relatives, colleagues, but once they get in the voting booth....

I'm happy that my hunch appears to have substance.

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» RE: everse Bradley Posted by: VZEQICVA
» RE: Reverse Bradley Posted by: Sushi
Polls, schmolls
Posted by: Col. Jackleg on Oct 30, 2008 4:00 AM   
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C'mon, gimme a break. MSN is reporting that McCain is bolstered to euphoria by his recent Joe the Plumber and Obama taxation blastherings that his camp believe have made his election doable. This author sees great inroads by Obama into hardcore right-wingville. Why? Folks in the boonies are suddenly going to become progressive and vote for a "black terrorist" rather than the evangelical hood ornament Sarah Palin? Let's see on 11/4/8. If the McCain crowd is upbeat then they must see different data and have a Gore/Bush tactic to employ at the polls. Think not? Try Carter, Dukakis, Gore, Kerry and maybe Obama on democracy in action day in the world's biggest penal colony. My fingers are crossed.

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» RE: Polls, schmolls Posted by: cjgee
McCains Mutany! People are fed up with the same old Lies!
Posted by: Ottomatic on Oct 30, 2008 4:09 AM   
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Wake UP! Wake UP! PLEASE!
McCain wants a TAX cut for himself and
Billionaires-R-US.
Socialized medicine and being on the government dole his whole life is fine for him,
But!
None 4 you.
We are being held
Prisoners in our own Country
and
McCain is the Warden.
He will do anything to be President.
Who counts the VOTES?
A Couple of Crooked Corp-pirates!
THE FIX IS IN,
Wink, Wink!
After years of Spying, Lying, terror, Treason and Propaganda
BU__! SH__!
What makes you think they're going to stop NOW?
No!
The WAR must go on and
The Delusion must continue.
Who will pay the price?
We will, until we stop it once and for all.
REVOLUTION #9

The Micro-Democracy Revolution

Surge
Purge
Update and
REBOOT!

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Realized they were used & manipulated by the Repugs?
Posted by: Purple Girl on Oct 30, 2008 4:11 AM   
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I feel for them..Probably the same way I feel about the Clintons these days.
Spend 8 yrs (Or more) being supporter & defender and find out they were Yankin your chain.It's the type of slap in th eface that not only knocks off your Rose colored glasses, but crushes them.
The Republican Party screwed the Rural communities in the '80's when they allowed Big Agri Biz to force & Swindle Family farmers out of Business.Farming is NOT a Job you merely do for the Money- It's a Lifestyle, a committment and a source of personal Pride and Fortitude.
Since then our food has cost more, quality has gone down, Animal husbandry has taken a back seat to prodcution, While food borne illness have increased in numbers,Types,Severity and geographics.This Corp farming has failed, and we must return our food production to those who know and CARE about what they are doing,for them, Ourselves and the Animals.
As for the 'Fatihful' I think the revelation to what some of these so called 'Evangelicals' have been preaching has exposed the reality that 'Christian' is a very General Term nowadays. Of course it always has been; Catholic, Protestants, Lutherans, LDS,Pentacostals, episcopalians, Presbyterians,Baptists,Methodists,Born agains, Evangelicals, and their off shoot the End of Dayers.Mostly there are relatively small differences, but in others there are VAST differences and they are beginning to realize the term 'Chrisitan' does not necessary mean they all share the same concepts.I'm not sure All Chrisitians Appreciate being associated with these 'End of Dayers'- which has been bore out over history too. Most Believe it is NOT their Priviledge to 'Call' the End, nor feel it is their right to Work Towards It.
I'm thinking Self anointed Self Promoters like Hagee has brought that fact back to the forefront of peoples minds and has caused them to begin to differeniate between the various forms of 'Christianity'. Or perhaps it was the LDS scandal when they started to realize that the term 'Chrisitan' can be quite vague, and encompass some doctrines and practice they do not.
Not to mention the fact that the republican party has spent 30 yrs saying they would end Abortion...Yet the numbers keep climbing- Abstinence ONLY education? I think many are beginning to realize if we do Not Try to reduce Unwanted pregnacies to begin with, we not only increase the likilhood of abortions, we also increase other social problems (Poverty, abuse/neglect etc).
What also has put a nail in the coffin of Repugs is the fact they have Devastated our Economy (increased homelessness, poverty, unemployment) and Continue to Wage blood For Oil Wars - Not a Value Jesus would have supported.Nor would He have supported the Hate camapign tactics of John McCain
What Would Jesus Do?....Vote for Obama.

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Senator Obama's Wednesday night infomercial scared the hell out of me.
Posted by: USAFVeteran1966 on Oct 30, 2008 5:09 AM   
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When the moving, 30-minute program ended, I wiped a tear from my eye, and then thought, What if Barack doesn't win next Tuesday?

The idea of a McCain victory and the catastrophic division it would create in America was so horrifying, I wished for a moment that Obama had not run his heart-tugging infomercial.

The sudden sensation of dread faded quickly, however, and once again I felt good. Still, I won't breathe easy until the election is over with Barack declared our future 43rd president -- thank God!
.
Vietnam vet/Obama supporter
Eight reasons to vote against John McCain

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» Actually, a lot of us do Posted by: Karina
upstate NY observation
Posted by: beachcomberT on Oct 30, 2008 5:25 AM   
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Recently traveled from Florida to NY and revisited my boyhood hometown in Columbia County, long a Republican stronghold. Amazed by the large number of Obama signs in yards. Spoke to friends who informed me the town has switched to Democrat in the past 2 presidential elections. Perhaps not coincidentally, land and real estate prices have gone out of sight, forcing the younger generation to move away unless they inherit property.

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Rural PA and Obama
Posted by: taxidriver on Oct 30, 2008 5:41 AM   
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I live in rural PA, and Obama has made some inroads, but this area remains a Republican bastion. Judging from the sometimes alarming "letters to the editor" that I read, most anti-Obama types are afraid of three things: 1) Obama will take my guns; 2) Obama is for killing unborn babies whenever possible; 3) Obama is, somehow, un-American (secretly Muslim, palled around with terrorists, etc.).

Obama will never win these people over, because they are victims of their own "values" or prejudices.

But Obama is winning over those who are willing to think beyond the misleading attack ads of the NRA and the GOP.

Will it be enough? We'll see on Nov. 4th.

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» RE: rural MI and Obama Posted by: Beck
» RE: ural PA and Obama Posted by: VZEQICVA
» Rural Nebraska and Obama Posted by: zooeyhall
» RE: ural PA and Obama Posted by: jackyD
Wow
Posted by: RedFoxOne on Oct 30, 2008 5:56 AM   
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I honestly cannot believe that anyone with an ounce of common sense would be taking McBush seriously. He is a proven liar whose word clearly means nothing!

Jiff
Privacy Center

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Don't count those chickens yet...
Posted by: Farasien on Oct 30, 2008 6:26 AM   
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I've read a number of places that the Obama camp is trying hard not to let its supporters get lax in the last moments, and I hope that message is still fresh in the minds of everyone who wants him in office. What concerns me is how many people, like the author of this article suggests, is that the white working class voters out there will not vote for Barak but tell the pollsters they would. When sitting in the booth with nobody looking, people usually revert to their basest beliefs, no matter what kind of logic or reasoning has been introduced to them to counter it. As a (thank GOD) former small-town refugee myself, I can say that the ignorance of rural people can be nothing short of astounding. I think that until the election is over, minus the outright election cheating almost certain to be pulled by the so-called Party of Principle, I think scare mongering and racial intolerance will play a much bigger part in the results than most people think. Though racism, or really, almost any other kind of intolerant stupidity is frowned deeply on in this country (though still not deeply enough, IMO) it is still a staple of most in the outlands. Bad habits die incredibly hard, especially in areas that don't have a very diverse mix of people. I live in the 'burbs of Chicago, and as a quick check of the area news here will show anyone, racism and stupidity are alive, well and thriving famously in America's heartland capitol city. If it can happen here, you can bet your last thin dime its happening, or WILL happen in rural PA, VA or any other state that broke for the Traitor in Chief.

Wait until the eggs hatch. Though (as usual) I hope like hell that I'm wrong, I'm betting there's going to be less to celebrate on Novermber 5'th than most people think.

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We Need a Resounding Victory for Obama
Posted by: ZPaul on Oct 30, 2008 6:31 AM   
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I've said this before, and I'll say it again: We need a resounding victory for Obama.
Expect dirty tricks.
We need a big, clear win to neutralize those dirty tricks.
We need to have such a clear Obama victory that the Republicans will hang their heads in shame at even the thought of contesting it.

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» Wrong. Posted by: Spot
I am getting very nervous...
Posted by: whathappened on Oct 30, 2008 6:53 AM   
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and am starting to have memories of 4 years ago, when I thought for sure that Kerry was going to prevail over the dipshit that stole the vote in 2000.
BUT.....that did not happen.
Very upset....very depressed.....
Many many signs up for McCain in rural Indiana!
Somebody please "talk me down" and cheer me up!
Sorry to be so glass-half-empty.

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To the author:
Posted by: Emily678 on Oct 30, 2008 7:04 AM   
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Wow! What a great article! So well-written! I really felt like I was there.

Are you related to Ron Eshelman? He was my chemistry teacher at Claymont (DE) High School. Great teacher!

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Rural Upstate New York....is a Republican Bastion..cause..
Posted by: picket on Oct 30, 2008 7:06 AM   
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"they'll take our guns away" just one excuse.

Strong Progressives in NYS who want to send a message to both parties can vote in NYS on the Working Families Party .."Row E" and it WILL be a vote for Obama as he is their candidate.

New York is one of a few states that has "fusion voting" where you can vote "Row E" for Obama, holding both the Dems and Repubs to MORE economic, social and environmental justice without throwing your vote away.

Do not throw your vote away in NYS by voting for that "other" third party candidate just to make a statement.

Vote Obama in New York on the Working Families Party.

http://www.workingfamiliesparty.org/

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Bucks County
Posted by: stardustdrifter on Oct 30, 2008 7:19 AM   
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Insightful article. Bucks County was a culture shock for a young Californian going there in 1969, learning the antique business. Met some very good people. Have not been back there since 1979.
It was satisfying to read the author's thoughts and recognize the truth in his words. Yes it's a bit surprising to me that he found the county leaning toward Obama, except I know these 'down to earth' Americans just don't suffer fools gladly. It's encouraging to read they are setting aside their traditional politics and voting for the qualified leader Obama so obviously is, rejecting the negative alternative.

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Rural "name your state here" is filled with "Joe the Moralists" who think they're above God !
Posted by: maxpayne on Oct 30, 2008 7:27 AM   
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Like the economy, they think they'll fly above God and be all powerful by engaging in authoritative madness in the forms of supporting pols who would much rather legislate morality rather than let God do the judging. These same bible thumping LOSERS will even give in to supporting "free" trade, wars for oil, war on drugs even while allowing poison pills such as Viagra and corn-fed shit to further POISON their brains into even more delusions of grandeur, giving bailouts to Wall $treet all the while crying "socialism" just like lying losers such as "Joe the Plumber" now campaigning with Mccain like crazy, wrecking the environment and the public infrastructure which kept them alive in the first place, etc ... It's hard to feel sorry for these self-deluded die-hards who would much rather shoot themselves in the feet or even the head and drag the rest of us down with them but the best way to deal with these shenanigans is to say "Take it or keep drowning but don't cry about it !"

Well? Maybe a lot of these otherwise bible thumping evangelicals finally got some mental counseling or learned their lessons the very hard way and decided to try something else for a change. However, I still believe that the only reason they're jumping for Obama and not folks such as Paul, Kucinich, Nader, Mckinney, etc ... is simple. Obama made the WRONG choice to be part of the system that squashes him once in Washington. Yes, he even went out of his mind to talk to evangelies and even pander to them such as extending Bush's faith based shit by providing more Christian bootcamps which my wife and I loathe and would never allow our children to be dragged into. I don't know what Obama will be like as president but he had better change his ways because his 4 years in the Senate keep telling me that he won't stand up to rightwing bullies once in the White House. It remains to see if I am proven wrong.

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My card carrying neighbor
Posted by: reinaldok on Oct 30, 2008 7:39 AM   
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My neighbors are true card carrying - ultra right wing EVANGELISTS. They have the now infamous OSAMA stickers on their cars. B U T what do you know they will not vote for that McCain-Palin gang. Of course they wouldn't dare give a vote to that "colored" OBAMA. They have decided to take a long weekend off and visit some out of town friends. Why not get up early and vote for the Repubs or vote ahead of time? Very simple answer. "We don't like PALIN and her 150,000 buck outfit or her putting her kids in a $700+ a night room, or that uppity Cindy with her felon criminal dad her diamonds and $300,000 wardrobe. We don't want people like them to get anywhere close to the White House." I think there are a whole lot of "neighbors" out there. Well. I suppose that one repug that stays away on election day is something like a half vote for OBAMA.

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X-POLYGAMIST WIFE in ARIZONA
Posted by: X-POLYGAMIST WIFE on Oct 30, 2008 7:47 AM   
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What US city will vote 100% for John McCain?

COLORADO CITY, ARIZONA.

Why?

Because for 26 years John McCain's been SPREADING AMERICA'S WEALTH to polygamists in Colorado City, Arizona who practice tyranny over women and children and receive 25-30 million a year in taxpayer handouts.

How did John McCain's polygamists pay for the YFZ Ranch in Eldorado, Texas?

They bankrupted the Ephraim Bank in Colorado City which cost taxpayers 13 million.

BANKING ON HEAVEN . COM

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Rural and voting Libertarian
Posted by: throck on Oct 30, 2008 7:55 AM   
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The folks posting here who are out to punish the Republicans are missing one vital point. It is WE who will be punished, not "them."

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Evangelicals for Obama
Posted by: twinnixon on Oct 30, 2008 9:01 AM   
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I'm both a progressive and an evangelical, and I have to say that I do believe we are on the cusp of a major shift amongst people identifying themselves as Christians or Evangelicals towards the democratic party. Part of this is the shift away from traditional denominations towards "emerging" churches where the need to be "right" is starting to lose ground towards the need to be "honest". Many of the friends that I went to Bible college (Cedarville College), recognize the complete failure of old-school evangelicalism to fully embrace the pro-life agenda, which should include abortion reduction through proper sex ed, anti-poverty, reduction in military spending, education reform, etc., the very things that are being talked about on Alternet. I think this will continue to grow as the old guard of the Christian right begin to die off, and a new, progressive evangelicalism takes hold. I'm tired of Jesus being used for every sort of hateful thing in the world. Makes me sick to my stomach. It is time that religious and non-religious people of any type stand together and say, "enough with poverty and enough with a healthcare system that bleeds us dry, and enough violence over oil, and enough with people dying needlessly." Check out Ron Sider. He is anti-abortion, which I'm not keen on, but otherwise, has a lot of good things to say about where evangelicals should be spending their time.

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» RE: vangelicals for Obama Posted by: Carol Burns
» A BIG AMEN! Posted by: Jbuuty
Hard to swallow
Posted by: sawdust on Oct 30, 2008 10:03 AM   
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I have a lot of respect for TomDispatch, but I grew up in this milieu and still have close family ties. Whoever came to the conclusions in this article has been smoking way too much home-grown "stuff". Rural America wears overalls, wears feed grain caps, drives pickup trucks and thinks all Democrats are faggots. If they were able, they would donate to the Republican party after they were dead and buried.

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Angry and active is what we need to be
Posted by: MarkS on Oct 30, 2008 10:11 AM   
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Having some connection to Bucks County, I started reading this article with interest. The main thing that came clear to me, though, was the disdain the author held for the long-time residents of the county -- including his parents. Barack Obama's San Francisco comment aside, I don't see that same disdain in him, which is a key reason he is winning. I, too, am angry over the Wall Street bailout and Pelosi's sellout on it -- almost as angry as I am at corporate power, abuse, and attacks on democracy. Rather than disdain, let's recruit -- and by working together on real issues, shift people's worldview and what they care about and who they identify with. Liberal elitism is very old hat -- lets get to some more progressive organizing, using anger to motivate and action to get the job done.

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Sushi's Great Idea
Posted by: benzene on Oct 30, 2008 2:24 PM   
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In case you missed it, I am summarizing Sushi's Really Good Idea:

In a post above, Sushi proposed that Obama institute a savings bond program in his first 100 days similar to the war bonds of WWII, except that there would be more potential uses for them. Each bond would be termed for 4 years, have a variable interest rate half that of the Federal Basic Rate (this is my addition), and be specifically used for what it was bought for. We could buy Education Bonds, Health Care Bonds, College Bonds, Etc. in small denominations to get Obama some funds to institute what he wants to despite the current economic crapstorm.

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» RE: Sushi's Great Idea Posted by: VZEQICVA
WANTED: Arguments in Favor of Voting for Obama
Posted by: Drume on Oct 30, 2008 3:22 PM   
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I voted for him in the primary, but after his vote for FISA and the telecom companies, allowing them to spy on us, I am thinking of voting for Nader or McKinney.

One, for those who opposed the FISA vote, and yet are still planning on voting for Obama, why? And why should I?

Two, which of the two alternatives I have stated are better?

Thanks!

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Bucks County?
Posted by: DCBeltway on Oct 30, 2008 8:22 PM   
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The description of Bucks Country in this article is bizarre. I grew up in Bucks County. Luckily I got away from there but its mostly wealthy white Irish Catholic, Italian Catholic, and Jewish yuppies especially in Yardely PA. These yuppies work in NYC, Princeton NJ, or Philadelphia. Its not a very diverse place but its definitly not at all evenagelical leaning let alone very blue-color anymore. Why its under an article about evangelicals and rural Americans is really weird.

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A rural Evangelical's view
Posted by: Jim on Oct 31, 2008 4:33 AM   
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I'm a rural Evangelical. Here's a letter to the editor I sent to our local paper, The Bureau County REPUBLICAN.
I agree with [a previous writer's]point to "choose life" in voting. However, life does not end at birth, so choosing life means more than considering a candidate's stand on abortion. But abortion is important. Reducing abortion demand by giving mothers options and economic support when needed, and attempting to limit coerced abortions, seem at least as important as outlawing it.

With Jesus and the Biblical prophets speaking so strongly against war and for peace, it is important to choose candidates who are closer to choosing military action only as a last resort after other measures have failed. Choose someone who stays calm rather than has a hot temper.

With over 30,000 children dying daily of hunger, addressing global poverty is an important life issue. The Scripture speaks of poverty throughout (but never of abortion.) Quality of life may be as important as quantity. Which candidates will do the most for the poor of our own country?

Maintaining life often requires health care. Which candidate would enable more people to have access to health care?

Life depends on the health of our environment. Environmental protection is part of choosing life.

Family life is important to our society. A candidate's personal example in faithfullness to their spouse is also important to me.

It seems to me that except for the issues of the legality of abortion, Obama comes closer to meeting biblical standards than McCain. But maybe the Green Party does even better. I'm not sure whom I'm voting for yet.

Jim
Tiskilwa, Illinois


On abortion, Liberals have abandoned the general position of defending the powerless, so I know most of you will disagree with me on this subject. But please just remind other pro-life folks, like I do, that there are plenty of other pro-life issues other than the legality of abortion.

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!If stolen, SIT Down STRIKE Wednesday national!
Posted by: melindyrose on Oct 31, 2008 12:28 PM   
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!If stolen,
SIT Down STRIKE Wednesday national!
We cannot allow the crooks to hijack our liberty again.
If the war profiteers and traitors steal our votes again, sit down strike until democracy restored.
No other choice - this is everything we've gained:
collective bargaining
health care for everyone but us
education that turkey laughs at
corporate tv programming of sex and junk food
violent, vicious, vampirism by rich demons who have eaten our military and raped our women in uniform.

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Obama enthusiasm in Palin-land
Posted by: pattyr on Nov 1, 2008 1:39 PM   
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This article confirms my own encounters at the local fabric shop and pet store, in the heart of Palin-land. In both I was admired for my bravery to wear a 'Knitters for Obama' pin by women who said he's got their vote. Last month I participated in sign waving for Obama at a busy Wasilla intersection and was amazed to see from passing drivers at least as many thumbs up as thumbs down and other miscellaneous fingers.

At the time, each encounter was a refreshing surprise. But to have my experience validated in print is a real kick; it adds to my hope for the future and helps reassure my concerns about my neighbors and my country.

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WHAT REALLY MATTERS?
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Nov 2, 2008 2:51 PM   
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Keeping your job, the house, food on the table, a doctor if you need one OR whether or not a woman five states away decides to have an abortion. Necessity dictates our beliefs. If the morally superior values people feel an obligation to vote about personal matters, it's because they can afford it. They apparently are unaffected by recent events. To the rest, welcome to the real world. ANNA

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