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Election 2008

How McCain Turned His Back on the Vietnamese Man Who Saved His Life

By Norman Stockwell, AlterNet. Posted October 28, 2008.


Forty-one years after McCain was shot down in Vietnam, the man who saved his life has died in obscurity.
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Sunday, Oct. 26 marked the 41st anniversary of John McCain's plane being shot down over Hanoi. It's a narrative that has become a central theme of McCain's presidential campaign -- but in the four decades since his capture, the story has become revisionist history.

In March of 2008, I traveled to Vietnam for the 40th anniversary of the incidents in Son My village that have come to be known to the world as the My Lai Massacre. During my visit, I spent some time in Hanoi visiting the museums and relics of what the Vietnamese call "the American war." One of these trips took me to the notorious Hoa Lo prison, or "Hanoi Hilton" -- formerly a French prison where independence fighters were jailed during the decades of French colonial rule, but which had later been turned into a stockade for U.S. pilots shot down over Hanoi from the mid-1960s to early 1970s. It was here that John McCain spent most of his 5½ years in captivity as a prisoner of war. Today, the prison museum features photos of McCain, both as a prisoner between 1967 and 1973 and on a return visit as a U.S. senator.

McCain was a hot commodity in Vietnam during my visit. According to my official translator from the Foreign Press Center, many other translators had been assigned to various foreign news crews around Hanoi that were all gathering material on McCain's time in Vietnam. McCain is well known to the Vietnamese; they all seemed familiar with his Senate career and his runs for the White House. The Vietnamese press was writing about McCain too; one article from a local paper particularly caught my eye. It was the story of McCain's rescue from Truc Bach Lake, accompanied by a grainy photo of a battered John McCain being dragged to the shore on a long bamboo pole. McCain had been reunited with his rescuer, Mai Van On, in 1996.

Upon returning to the United States, I looked for the story of McCain's rescuer but found little mention in the English language press. But in late March, Britain's Daily Mail published a story that made me realize that I knew the U.S. veteran who had helped reunite McCain with On. His name was Chuck Searcy, and he is now the country representative for the Vietnam Veteran's Memorial Fund. So in early August, I called Searcy in Hanoi and interviewed him for WORT radio in Madison, Wis.

*****

Norm Stockwell: Let me start by asking how you first came to meet Mr. Mai Van On and your connection with getting him in touch with Senator McCain.

Chuck Searcy: In 1995 I rented an apartment on the Truc Bach Lake, which is the lake where John McCain parachuted in when he was shot down. Some time during that year, an old man who was my neighbor sought me out (along with) another veteran who was living on the other side of the lake.

And he found us and wanted to tell us this story, that he was the guy who pulled McCain out of the lake. Of course, we didn't know whether to believe him or not. But he had a letter that he asked me to deliver to McCain. And I asked my landlord and my landlady and neighbors and others who were living around the lake if what he had said was true, and they said yeah -- the ones who remembered that day back in 1967 when McCain was shot down -- they said yes, that's the way it happened.

So I had the letter translated and sent it off to McCain. … And I got a reply from a staff person who sort of discounted the letter and the suggestion that this may have been the man who pulled McCain out of the lake, because apparently they had heard some such allegation before. So I just sort of let it ride -- until I saw McCain in Washington, I guess that same year, at a Veterans' breakfast and I mentioned it to him. And he said, "Oh, let's see if we can, I'd like to meet the guy, next time I come to Vietnam." And so that's how it happened.

NS: So then Senator McCain was involved with some of the discussions going on about normalization of relations between the United States and Vietnam in 1995, and he came to Hanoi, and you actually facilitated a meeting with Senator McCain and Mr. On. What took place there?

CS: Well, as you said, McCain, yes, was very much involved in the reconciliation efforts; he and Senator John Kerry really paved the way for President Clinton to declare normalization of relations with Vietnam, which occurred in 1995.

It was about in October, I think, of 1996 that I got a call from the U.S. Embassy one morning and they said that Senator McCain had just landed (in Vietnam) and he would like to meet Mr. Mai Van On in the afternoon if that was possible.


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Norman Stockwell is a freelance journalist and operations coordinator at WORT-FM community radio in Madison, Wis. In March he traveled to Vietnam to cover the 40th anniversary of the My Lai Massacre.

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Interesting...
Posted by: clamhod on Oct 28, 2008 3:39 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
isn't it, the people we do the most for (i.e. saving them from certain death) are the most ungrateful and undeserving?

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» RE: Interesting... Posted by: EJLima
'Not like US' camapign tactic, negates any such enlightenment
Posted by: Purple Girl on Oct 28, 2008 3:41 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Considering how far Mac has taken the 'Us & Them' stratedgy. I'd be surprised if he would give any credit to any one who is not a White Christian male
Seems the only use Mac has for the vietnamese is as a stage Props to his Glory Story, or as Sexual Liasons from the Red light district
Mac is not just losing this campaign, He's lossing his narrative. Had he conducted himself as he said he would,RESPECTABLE, No one would have ever thought to dig deeper into his Self Proclaimed Heroism. Now we know it is JUST that. Heckova Job Johnny Boy, You've Crashed your own Life's Story.The last few chapters will be filled with his involvement in the Economic meltdown, the Illegal war in Iraq and Sexism & Racism. Not to mention the Revision to the 'Opening' Tale.
Good Bye Song Bird!

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Yes, but
Posted by: andrushka on Oct 28, 2008 3:45 AM   
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McShame would be incapable of saying something like that. That guy is so " me, me,me", instead of "country first"....

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STUNNING EXAMPLE OF MCCAIN'S
Posted by: wellaware lec on Oct 28, 2008 4:20 AM   
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FOCUS, AND ABILITY TO IGNORE FACTS AND ACCURATE CONTEXT. And this joins so many others. Thanks for this, Norm. Excellent story.
To hear this man interviewed continually puts me in a state of reality shock. Can this man really, really have been nominated by one of the two most powerful forces in this country????? HOW DID THIS HAPPEN? Is this the best, the best they had to offer? What in the world ever happened to considering Ron Paul? He is/was head and shoulders more qualified, on EVERY level, to be a Presidential nominee than this man. Astounding to me that so many have sunk so low. A true example of the ugliness of DEvolution. The only good thing is that McCain/Palin ticket is hastening a demise of a deeply and darkly contaminated cluster of toxic and anti-life ideology whose time has come and not soon enough.

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» RE: STUNNING EXAMPLE OF MCCAIN'S Posted by: Doyle Wheeler
McCain Remember Those Who Cared?
Posted by: sallyride on Oct 28, 2008 4:20 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Sadly, although his wife was on his mind while he was a POW, he quickly forgot about her and his children, once he was "lively" again - for which he claims to have gone wrong (or something like that); never the less, it makes little difference when he was apparently so shocked by his literal downfall he hadn't a modicum of common descency left by the time he surfaced in Viet Nam.

Holding others kindness close isn't giving, it's receiving, and that man still is unable to feel, for which there is a diagnosis. If he's still holding on to the PTSD of his military life, which appears to have been his bailwick, that man is certainly not someone we want near the Red Button - look who we permitted to be there the last 7+ years - "chemicalheads" are not safe people for any nation to depend upon.

Both Bush and The Hedge are truly "joined at the hip" psychologically. They'll do anything to destroy those they fear. The FBI and CIA must be going half-nuts by now, not to mention the Pentagon. Hold tight, boys!

If the machine that bought Bush the White House is in place for McBlame, it's all over for America. Let's hope other nations realize that we are not part of this total insanity. We must stop more "Syrias"!
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That's pretty much consistent of Mccain, an ungrateful motherfucker.
Posted by: maxpayne on Oct 28, 2008 5:26 AM   
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And yet there are plenty on Main Street who delude themselves into thinking that they'll be a "war hero" and/or a flying rich pig like him.

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Another son of privilege
Posted by: PJAW on Oct 28, 2008 5:28 AM   
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John McCain is a senior member of my generation. We're the children of the generation that "won" WWII (and very few of them seem to want to acknowlege that it was an "Allied" effort and it was nearly lost several times). We were raised in the belief that we are the most powerful, most benevolent nation that has ever been, in the entire history of mankind. We've been told again and again that America may make "mistakes", but it is and always will be the greatest country on earth. Those of us who questioned this were told, "Love it or leave it!". (some have)

But back to McCain. I have no doubt that he's a true believer in the myth he grew up in. And being the son of military elite, he no doubt feels he himself is special, one of the core of "real Americans" that imbue it with its greatness. He seems to believe that America is as lucky to have him, as he is to be a part of its greatness. Which affords him all of the privilege that he enjoys and in his view, richly deserves. Nothing is too good for John, and John is so inherently good that nothing he does can be wrong. Which, it seems he believes, makes him uniquely suited to be our President. Of course he also has his Scotch-Irish heritage, which has run through 17 US Presidents. (and apparently will again, because Barack Obama also is of that lineage on his mother's side)

In my view, it's more than just John McCain's arrogance that makes him unsuited to the Presidency, arrogance, after all, is almost a pre-requistie. What disturbs me most about him is his deceitul nature, which is completely opposite of the public image he has so carefully crafted. Who can know if this was born in him, or something he found while a POW, but it makes him unfit. Just as he would tell his tormentors in the "Hanoi Hilton" anything he thought they wanted to hear, he tells his audiences on the campaign trail whatever he believes they want to hear. Which is how he has established a portfolio of self-conflicting positions that has been inadequately explored by the MSM, who apparently fear the consequences of "attacking" a "genuine war hero".

It's not surprising that McCain took little note of the passing of his Vietnamese savior, he likely feels the man was privileged to have touched his greatness. Even though the writer goes out of his way to allow McCain deniability of his disregard for Mr. On, that reality comes through in the story. And if you think he cares about you, I've got a nice bridge you'll want to invest in.

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» RE: Another son of privilege Posted by: Cybershaman
» RE: Another son of privilege Posted by: bloominblacksheep
Payback..
Posted by: FLMom on Oct 28, 2008 5:44 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Now it's time we turn our backs on him!!! Great article, BTW!

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McCain's racial prejudice
Posted by: Last Chance on Oct 28, 2008 5:47 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
John McCain habitually tries to distance himself from anyone of a different race, and he has to be pushed to extend any sort of polite greeetings or cordial conversation. He goes through the motions, but it's obvious he would rather be somewhere else. His behavior toward Barack Obama during the debates showed that clearly to anyone who watched him. So, of course, the Vietnamese man and woman who saved his life are mostly ignored.

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» RE: My Lai remembered Posted by: Basenjis
» RE: My Lai remembered Posted by: normstoc
» RE: My Lai remembered Posted by: bloominblacksheep
Hero my foot
Posted by: limburger on Oct 28, 2008 6:50 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Fortunately the majority of descent American voters are going to burry this sorry cretin, this spoiled ‘Johnnie-No-Good’. But not before we get within an inch of having him lead our country for four years. People of Arizona ought to be ashamed to have voted for this lawless pop-culture hero who lacks conscience and principles.

People who still think of voting for him for president are the nut fringe of our society. (If you know any of them in your neighborhood watch your back after the election).

Fellow Republican ‘uncle’ Ted Stevens, US Senator from Alaska, is now looking at 40+ years of jail time for the same bribery crimes this ‘uncle john’ committed in the Keating Five bribery scandal. He (and US Senator John Glenn) got off with a mere reprimand because of their hero credentials. Where is the justice?

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» RE: Hero my foot Posted by: idwiw
Fairy Tails
Posted by: Karl.Ben on Oct 28, 2008 6:52 AM   
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""formerly a French prison where independence fighters were jailed during the decades of French colonial rule, but which had later been turned into a stockade for U.S. pilots shot down over Hanoi from the mid-1960s to early 1970s.""

A stockade?.. wow, that doesn't sound like a description of the torture hell hole it was!

So the person that pulled McCain out of the lake then stopped the crowd from killing him? He's bombing us but on the ground he's helpless so lets help him????

Somehow this ranks right up there with "I never heard Rev Wright's sermons"

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» RE: The chutzppah of white racists Posted by: rajuncajun1960
» RE: Fairy Tails Posted by: Basenjis
» RE: Fairy Tails Posted by: Karl.Ben
» RE: Fairy Trials Posted by: Cybershaman
» RE: Fairy Trials Posted by: Karl.Ben
» RE: Fairy Trials Posted by: Cybershaman
» RE: Fairy Trials Posted by: Karl.Ben
» RE: Fairy Tails Posted by: Alohajnc
» RE: Fairy Tails Posted by: Karl.Ben
» RE: Fairy Tails Posted by: peacefullaim
Give It A Rest
Posted by: ilene on Oct 28, 2008 7:01 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Don't like McCain, don't like his reprehensible politics, but come on do we need to stoop to this level? He's trying to get elected what do you think he's going to talk about. We continue to take elections out of the arena of civil discourse and relevance then wonder why we end up with shitty presidents, senators, congressmen etc.

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» RE: Give It A Rest Posted by: rajuncajun1960
» RE: Give It A Rest Posted by: Gisele
» Character does count Posted by: TennMom
X-POLYGAMIST WIFE in ARIZONA
Posted by: X-POLYGAMIST WIFE on Oct 28, 2008 7:01 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
John McCain doesn't care. Remember he's the senator who for 26 years ignored ten thousand suffering women and children in the polygamous town of Colorado City, Arizona.

McCain knows polygamists rape underage girls, he knows 80% of FLDS polygamists are on welfare, he knows 60% are on state medical insurance, he knows about the inbreeding that produces spinal bifida, downs syndrome, cleft pallet, femarese disease, and a slew of other maladies (12% of pop).

John McCain knows polygamy is tyranny over women, he knows FLDS children aren't educated, and he knows FLDS leaders bilk Arizona taxpayers out of 25-30 million a year.

And John McCain knows about the LOST BOYS who are thrown out of Colorado City so older polygamous men can take underage brides.

John McCain KNOWS, he just doesn't CARE.

Watch the video:

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» RE: X-POLYGAMIST WIFE in ARIZONA Posted by: lovercat2942
Sick of the Bull
Posted by: americanrm on Oct 28, 2008 7:02 AM   
Current rating: 2    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
C'mon Alternet. This off the wall crap is beneath all of us. No1) we are gonna whip McCain's ass next week, No2)When we start usuing republican tactics, we lower ourselves.

Whether or not McCain would feel empathy for a purported enemy or not, is irrelevant. What we need to do is MoveOn and leave this bull shit behind.

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» Face The Fact Posted by: Last Chance
» RE: Sick of the Bull Posted by: mcyclemama
» RE: Sick of the Bull Posted by: Basenjis
esornew
Posted by: esornew on Oct 28, 2008 7:16 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
McCain's first wife and children, whom he abandoned. I want to know where they are now, their opinion,memories and experiences of him.

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» RE: esornew Posted by: lovercat2942
» RE: esornew Posted by: rajuncajun1960
Moral of this story.
Posted by: douglashoyt on Oct 28, 2008 7:20 AM   
Current rating: 1    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
If you have the opportunity to save the life of a rich person, don't; let them die.

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» RE: Moral of this story. Posted by: rajuncajun1960
» RE: Moral of this story. Posted by: lovercat2942
How Long Has It Been, that America, has had a Great Leader of the American People, ...
Posted by: One American Lady on Oct 28, 2008 7:23 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
As the Founding Fathers were, with the True Patriotism, they Exhibited, when they fought
in the Revolutionary War, to Gain Independence, for this Country & the People, therein ???
I believe that "it's been many years, since that Much True Patriotism, has been Exhibited"..
When People, refuse to Salute the Flag, or Use their Life Experiences, so Negatively, in Accomplishing a Pathway to a Position in Life, is about as Low as Anyone Can Get...& in My Opinion, "is Not a Role Model, I want for my Chidren & Grandchildren"....for .. We Are the Succeeding Generation, that is mentioned, by documents, written by the Founding Fathers.
WE ARE THE ONES... LIVING OUT ... THE ... REST OF THE STORY... WHICH BEGAN WITH THE WRITINGS, BY THE FOUNDERS OF THE GOVERNMENT OF USA... 1776.
"Knocking someone down, while seeking a position At the Top...is Not an Acceptable Behavior... of Our Society of America, even if it has been in Practice, by many of Our Leaders of Our Nation... this Doesn't Make It Right / Correct, to be Accepted".
WE ARE THE ONLY ONES, WHO CAN / DOES *HAVE THE POWER* TO MAKE THE NECESSARY CHANGES, TO PROTECT OUR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS !!
Voting in One Person... isn't just the Only Way, for Protection to Our Constitutional Rights.
We Must Stand Up for All that We Believe to Be Sacred to Our .... Life / Liberty / Pursuit of Happiness !!
If we don't do this, then We Are Denying Ourselves, to Remain Having a Freedom & Right to Live / Exist in a Country, best known as a
Country where Freedoms & Rights, are Protected !!
Sincerely,
One American Lady
Veterans Advocate
bojacks1@yahoo.com

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Manchurian Candidate McCain
Posted by: USAFVeteran1966 on Oct 28, 2008 7:26 AM   
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In 1992, during the Senate Select Committee hearings on MIA/POW Affairs, a letter signed by 50 former Vietnam War POWs was presented to McCain, asking him not halt the Committee's investigation into U.S. airmen reported missing in Southeast Asia.

Not only did McCain ignore the letter, he terminated the hearings prematurely and ordered the DOD records of all POWs and MIAs sealed, including his own. McCain also verbally abused the wife of a MIA while she was testifying, bringing her to tears.

To this day, critics including many POWs allege that McCain was blackmailed by Vietnamese officials, to force his endorsement of a pending U.S. trade agreement favorable to the communist nation. For that reason perhaps -- plus the fact he had made numerous North Vietnamese propaganda radio broadcasts in return for hot coffee, cigarettes and other special favors for the enemy -- a statue of McCain was erected in Hanoi.

To see photos of the shameful memorial, click on: McCain statue in Hanoi

Vietnam vet/Obama supporter
Eight reasons to vote against John McCain

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» RE: Manchurian Candidate McCain Posted by: Last Chance
Amazing
Posted by: RedFoxOne on Oct 28, 2008 7:33 AM   
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Truly an amazing story. So sad McBush turned his back on such a man. What a pathetic joke. God help us all if he somehow wins next month!

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This Is The Real McCain/Palin
Posted by: WISE_GUY on Oct 28, 2008 8:13 AM   
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Who is the real McCain? His treatment of Veterans is unbelievable and inhuman. One soldier this month was on The Rachael Maddow Show explained how he treats soldiers, they gave him a "D" rating. His very close friend is also a friend of Bill Ayers and it appears he is also a member of Palin's radical groups. www.msnbc.com McCain Tied To Iran-Contra Group 10/7/08. The following can be found on: usvetdsp.com: Palin Opened A Door To McCain's Relationship With A Former Viet Cong Terrrorist, McCain's History Of Abusing The Public Trust, Betrayal, Deceit, Corruption And John McCain, John McCain: Unfit To Serve As Commander-In-Chief. Who are these American haters Palin has close ties with? She said "keep up the good work". She uses her same phase when she is told to fire someone ("budget cut"). Here is some interesting information that may explain Michelle Bachmanns' question and promised political climb behind the scene. All of the following information was found on salon.com. Great reading!!! This will answer the question regarding American haters and more: salon.com: Meet Sarah Palin's Radical Right-Wing Pals, The Palin's Un-American Activities, Freedom Fighter.

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Your Brother's Keeper
Posted by: rajuncajun1960 on Oct 28, 2008 8:19 AM   
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I don't see much difference in this than I do that Obama's brother is living in hut and is living hand to mouth.

I am not in either man's head. Maybe Obama's brother did something to him. Who know's. I can take all kinds of things and spin them to my whim. Like, he is an elitist and doesn't want the symbol of a "black man" living in a hut that is his brother, tied to him. So he ignores the fact that he even has a brother. Now who knows if this is true or not, but his tie to his brother isn't laced with life threatening situations. His arms and legs haven't been broken while trying to deal with his relationship with his brother. I'm sure that Obama's memory is crystal clear on all the events that have happened in his life. Does it make him a piece of shit that he doesn't acknowledge his brother? Not for me to decide.

Does it make John McCain a piece of shit for not remembering someone who pulled him from the depths when he had blood loss, was nearly drowned, and had broken limbs? Not for me, and definately not for you, to say.

I have not walked in either man's shoes, so I won't judge them on those issues. What I will judge them is where they stand and what kind of leader I think they will be.

I'm not too keen on either one, but especially not Obama. This election will be, sadly, like the last one for me. I am not voting for McCain, I am voting against Obama. Not because he is shitty brother, not because he hasn't had any executive experience, but because he wants to take this country in direction that is totally opposite what our founding fathers stood for.

I will be on of those people who will benefit from his tax proposals. I can only hope to make $250,000.00 a year. But for those who do and for those who are working to do so someday, they do not need to be penalized and made to feel bad because they seized the American Dream. No country has ever taxed its way into prosperity. What make us great is that a person who wants to bad enough can build wealth. Just because he is promising me some extra coin in my pocket doesn't mean that I am going to be his whore. My vote isn't for sale. My Dad died defending my right to vote, and I won’t sell it out for an empty promise of a rebate. A rebate that has to come from someone who earned it just so he could give it to me.

So, let's judge them on their record, where they stand now, and who their running buddies are. My dad always taught me that "if you run with dogs, you're gonna get fleas". Both these men have fleas; I just think Obama's has turned to a case of real bad mange.

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» RE: Your Brother's Keeper Posted by: wagnerrocks@gmail.com
» RE: Your Brother's Keeper Posted by: rajuncajun1960
» RE: Your Brother's Keeper Posted by: rajuncajun1960
» RE: Your Brother's Keeper Posted by: Gisele
» RE: Your Brother's Keeper Posted by: rajuncajun1960
The smear campaigns of pot-stirring troll, Karl.Ben
Posted by: USAFVeteran1966 on Oct 28, 2008 8:27 AM   
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Once again in his comment on this thread, Karl.Ben smeared a decent patriotic American, Barack Obama, by suggesting he had lied about not hearing Rev. Wright's controversial sermons.

As always, Karl.Ben provided NO facts to support up his divisive remark about Obama.

Worse then his baseless attacks on Barack's character was Karl.Ben's recent smear of the late great war hero, Colonel David Hackworth, popular TV commentator and winner of 78 combat awards in the Korean and Vietnam conflicts, including eight Purple Hearts.

Replying to a previous and positive comment about "Hack " by AlterNet reader NoMcCainPalin, Karl.Ben alleged the following:

"He [Hackworth] wore medals he did not earn and seems to have a history of unbalanced behavior. There is nothing credible about him."

NoMcCainPalin retorted that Hackworth had been "exonerated of all accusations that he didn't earn his medals."

Karl.Ben responded by saying NoMcCainPalin was spreading lies.

Here are the facts that Karl.Ben refused to acknowledge about Col. Hackworth:

Before his death from cancer in 2005, CNN and the CBS evening news with Dan Rather questioned the accuracy of Hackworth's own military decorations.

In particular, the reports accused Hackworth of claiming a Ranger tab to which he was not entitled and an extra Distinguished Flying Cross on his website.

Hackworth threatened to sue CBS and requested a formal audit of his military records. In response to the military audit, the Executive Producer of CBS News sent a letter to Hackworth that stated:

"The Army's audit of its records has determined that the Army made an administrative error back in 1988, when it reissued your medals and awards."

"Along with numerous other decorations, the Army mistakenly issued you a Ranger Tab and two Oak Leaf Clusters for your Distinguished Flying Cross. The Army has thus verified what we reported as your explanation of the matter."

"As far as we are concerned, the Army audit makes clear that you [Hackworth] did not at any time wear or claim any military honor not actually issued by the U.S. Army, based on its official records, including the service record you signed and dated."

"Indeed, as we believe we made clear in our reports, by all accounts you are a man who has shown extraordinary heroism in your service to our country, and has deservedly been awarded many of the nation's most coveted awards for valor."


Karl.Ben, who obviously never served in the U.S. military, should be ashamed of himself for smearing Col. Hackworth. Hopefully, AlterNet readers will ignore by the repugnant pot-stirring troll.

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karl.ben posts
Posted by: wagnerrocks@gmail.com on Oct 28, 2008 8:51 AM   
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Consistently, day after day, the comments of pro McCain troll Karl.Ben waste the time and space of AlterNet poster's. Typically ignorant, illogical and divisive commentary are the norm for Karl.Ben. I say this with all due respect.

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McCain showed his treasonous nature by allowing GOP dirty campaign tricks
Posted by: USAFVeteran1966 on Oct 28, 2008 9:19 AM   
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Webster says a traitor is someone who "betrays his county, cause or friends."

Because McCain's "friends" -- the American people -- deserved an honest presidential campaign which he abandoned for political gain, the Arizona senator proved what many Vietnam vets think about him, including yours truly. McCain is a traitor who betrayed his country in 2008 just like he 40 years ago in North Vietnam.

Case at point, his 1970 Hanoi interview with Cuban journalist Fernando Barrel, which happened after McCain was no longer being physically abused by his captors.

The meeting took place in a posh office at the headquarters of Hanoi's Committee for Foreign Cultural Relations where cookies, oranges, coffee and cigarettes were offered to McCain and accepted.

According to a declassified CIA report, McCain told Barral he had not been subjected to "physical or moral violence."

After giving his name, rank, serial number and date of birth, instead of being evasive which he was obligated to do as a POW, McCain voluntarily talked in Spanish about his family, future aspirations and the downing of his plane. Quoting Barral, "McCain lamented, 'If I hadn't been shot down, I would have become an admiral at a younger age than my father.'"

The Barral interview was later published for propaganda purposes in Communist newspapers to portray American fighter pilots as heartless killers of innocent civilians.

Although McCain claimed he didn’t discuss military matters with Barral, the Hanoi Hilton's U.S. commander, SRO Jeremiah Denton, later issued an order forbidding POWs to be interviewed by visitors. Said McCain on page 305 of his 1999 autobiography, Faith of My Fathers (hardcopy edition), “[Denton's] decision was a sound one, even though it deprived me of further opportunities to demonstrate my psychic equilibrium… not to mention the [loss of] extra cigarettes and coffee."

Also in his autobio, while admitting to accepting special favors from the enemy -- i.e. drinking coffee and smoking cigarettes -- which violated the U.S. Code of Conduct for POWs, McCain conveniently omitted the fact he had conversed with Barral in Spanish, a more serious Code violation.

True or not about the specific details of his collaborations, McCain said in Faith of My Fathers (page 198 of the hardcopy edition) that he revealed “information about my ship and squadron.” In the same paragraph, he claimed, “The information was of no real use to the Vietnamese.”

Well, that’s not what retired Army Colonel Earl Hopper believes. A veteran of World War II, Korea and Vietnam, Hopper contends the information McCain disclosed was used by North Vietnam to fine-tune their air defense system.

Hopper’s son, Air Force Lt. Colonel Earl Pearson Hopper, was shot down over North Vietnam and later declared “Missing in Action.” As a result of his loss, the elder Hopper co-founded the National League of Families, an organization devoted to the return of Vietnam War POWs, which McCain opposed in 1992 during a Senate hearing on the matter.

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Ungrateful SOB
Posted by: AlterEg0 on Oct 28, 2008 9:50 AM   
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Hey, McCain supporters! This is the "thank you" you will get for busting your buns to elect McCain. He will "remember" you the same way. Live and learn, folks!

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More distortions of McCain's war record.
Posted by: USAFVeteran1966 on Oct 28, 2008 9:55 AM   
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Another example of John McCain distorting and exploiting his war record happened on July 9, 2008, when he was interviewed during a Pittsburgh radio broadcast by KDKA Political Editor, Jon Delano.

McCain told Delano that he had recited the Pittsburgh Steelers defensive line-up to his North Vietnamese captors as aliases for the names of his Navy squadron mates. McCain added that he "naturally recalls" the football team whenever he thinks of Pittsburgh. “The Steelers really made a huge impression on me -- particularly in their early years."
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"When I was first interrogated," continued McCain, "and had to give some information because of the physical pressures that were on me, I named the starting lineup of the Pittsburgh Steelers as my squadron-mates!"

That sounds good, but it wasn’t what he said his 1999 autobiography, Faith of My Fathers.

On page 194 of the hardcopy edition, McCain wrote, “Eventually, I gave them [NVA interrogators] my ship’s name and squadron, and confirmed that my target had been the power plant. Pressed for more information, I gave the names of the Green Bay Packer’s offense line, and said they were members of my squadron.”

McCain supporters will probably say he “misremembered” the NFL football team because his POW experience happened nearly 40 years ago. But how do they explain what he wrote in an article for U.S. News & World Report, published on May 14, 1973?

In the detailed, 12,000-word piece, McCain, whose memory had to be super sharp back then, never mentioned using the names of NFL players during his NVA interrogations, even though the deception would have mitigated the seriousness of his confessions.

One possible explanation for McCain's 1973 omission is that he never told the names of NFL players to the North Vietnamese. Conceivably, the story was a fantasy he created for his autobiography, to make him appear heroic while campaigning for the White House in 2000. If so, it also explains why he later "misremembered" the Steelers.

On August 15, 2008, during a speaker's forum featuring Barack Obama and McCain in Lake Forest, California, hosted by Rev. Rick Warren and broadcast live on TV, the Arizona senator again played his shop-worn POW card to prove he was capable of dealing with Russian military adventurism, such as this year's invasion of Georgia.

For example, he told Rev. Warren about being tortured by the North Vietnamese, which cannot be verified. But the most blatant exploitation of McCain's war record happened when he was asked about his greatest test of courage.

With the straightest of faces, McCain said it was when the North Vietnamese offered to release him early and he turned it down. According to former POW Phillip Butler, however, no valor was involved in the decision making because McCain had been ordered to remain a POW. Also, had McCaon accepted early release, he would have ruined his Navy career and humiliated his family, including his still living father, a four-star admiral.

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Holy Chappaquidick
Posted by: Jeanne on Oct 28, 2008 10:09 AM   
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I just saw an article on Huffington: http://www.huffingtonpost.com

By Sam Stein, it relates a 1964 incident....

There may be a Chappaquidick (sp?) moment in McCain's life. Given the secrecy regarding the Forrestal, these revelations regarding his "heroic" incarceration, and the secrecy around his medical records, John McCain might have a version of his life story that would actually disqualify him from consideration to be president.

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An example of McCain betraying Vietnam vets
Posted by: USAFVeteran1966 on Oct 28, 2008 10:41 AM   
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During the 1992 Select Senate Committee investigation of MIAs and POWs, McCain took the unrelenting position that no living U.S airmen had been left behind in North Vietnam when he was freed in 1973.

Quite the contrary, there is evidence that indicates at least one U.S. serviceman, MIA Kelly Patterson, may have been held captive after McCain’s release, as shown by the following Internet extract:

“Lt. Cmdr. McDaniel [Patterson's aircraft commander] was captured early the morning of 20 May 1967 and was transported by his captors to Hanoi. While a prisoner of war, McDaniel was told by a prison guard known as Onizz that his bombardier/navigator (Kelly Patterson) had recovered from his injury and was well.”

“Other POWs who returned during Operation Homecoming in 1973 saw evidence that Lt. Patterson was also a prisoner of the North Vietnamese.”

“Dewey Smith saw an interrogation questionnaire with Kelly Patterson's name written on the top of it in the fall of 1967, another POW saw his name scratched on the wall of his jail cell, and Ronald Mastin believes he saw a photo of Kelly Patterson's ID card in a Vietnamese newspaper during the same year.”


In November 1985, the Vietnamese turned over Kelly Patterson’s ID card and Geneva Convention card in good condition to a Joint Casualty Resolution Center (JCRC) delegation.

In December 1990, in an attempt to satisfy questions asked about Patterson’s fate, the Vietnamese brought before U.S. investigators four “witnesses” who claimed to have been militiamen involved in the search for Patterson and Red McDaniel.

The militiamen said they shot Patterson to death when he stood up with a pistol in his hand. However, as Patterson reported over his survival radio to friendly aircraft in the area, he had suffered a compound leg fracture during bailout. So standing up would have been impossible for him to do.

In May 1992, Patterson’s alleged burial site was thoroughly excavated by a joint U.S./Vietnamese field team. The dig showed no trace of human remains. Moreover, soil examinations proved conclusively the strata in that location had never been disturbed by man.

In sum, the Vietnamese account that Patterson had been killed on the ground must be disbelieved because it was clearly a self-serving attempt to keep secret his fate as a captured and highly prized A-6A Intruder bombardier/navigator.

From Patterson’s ID cards, his interrogators would have eventually learned he was an expert on the Intruder’s state-of-the-art electronics used with great success against North Vietnam’s Russian-made missile defense system. The technical knowledge possessed by Patterson was exactly the kind of information the Soviets wanted. The North Vietnamese would have been foolish not to give Patterson to the Russians in return for continued war support. Of course, that was something Vietnamese officials could never admit--not then, not now. Hence the cover-up.

A reasonable person would think it was entirely possible that Kelly Patterson had been captured in North Vietnam and handed over to Soviet authorities but not John McCain.

So why did he choose to dismiss evidence that at least one American had been left behind when the POWs came home in 1973?

Ask him, but don't expect a straight-talk answer.

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mccain is such a prat
Posted by: ohjeezigotaids on Oct 28, 2008 11:52 AM   
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the story about the old man that saved him is so adorable....what a nice guy.
mccain could have least given him a couple of his houses or cars or something....
this article really makes me want to punch mccain in his greedy little face.

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Karl.Rove.Ben's scurrilous smear campaign against fellow Vietnam veteran, Hugh Scott
Posted by: USAFVeteran1966 on Oct 28, 2008 12:09 PM   
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Several weeks ago, "Scotty" (Hugh's airline nickname) emailed me about the vicious smear campaign Karl.Rove.Ben had launched against him.

In the many insulting replies to Scotty's comments, Karl.Rove.Ben called him a "phony," "fraud," "liar..." and said his war record as a SAC KC135 pilot was fictitious.

Here's the truth about Hugh Scott. I met him at Western Airlines (WAL) in 1985 after he went on strike against Continental. An ALPA member and CAL B727 captain, Scotty was hired by WAL as a ground school instructor. Because of his aviation experience, Western's management made him a B737 simulator instructor. In that capacity, he gave me the training I needed to upgrade to captain.

During sim breaks over the four-week training period, we talked about our experiences during the Vietnam War. I won't get into that, but for AlterNet readers who are curious about Hugh Scott's military record, click on: King George

That's all I wanted to say except to ask, Why does AlterNet tolerate personal attacks against other readers by pot-stirring trolls like Karl.Rove.Ben?

One more thing. If you'd like to contact Scotty, email me at WAL737Captain@aol.com.

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My wife
Posted by: willymack on Oct 28, 2008 12:13 PM   
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Recently asked me why I disliked mcloser so much. I told her to do some research on the swine, saying that the more she knew about him, the less she'd like him. That was about a month and a half ago. Last week, when watching MSNBC, a certain percentage of voters was described by the announcer as "undecided", to which my wife asked:"How the hell can anybody still be undecided by now? Are they morons, or what?" Needless to say, she'd done her homework. A lot more of us need to do the same.

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The Writer Of This Article Did Not Thank His Mother Anywhere In This Article!
Posted by: loxias on Oct 28, 2008 4:28 PM   
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I expected to see "my friends" or "I bet some of you guys out there..." over and over in the print.

Take a step back and look at yourselves Alternet.
What is it you really want to succeed? A candidate? An agenda? How about humanitarian governance? Maybe restoring education so that people can make sound judgments and think critically? Quit muckraking and find something you can headline with the integrity you hold everyone else to please.
And no I'm not standing up for McCain. Ugh.

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Heroic...
Posted by: ankius... on Oct 28, 2008 4:31 PM   
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We could learn a great deal from the Vietnamese when it comes to war and forgiveness. That was a heroic thing the gentleman did for McCain. Having been to Vietnam twice to see a veteran and friend I can assure you the writer is right on for the most part. The father of my wife fought for the North and invited us into his house for a huge meal. It was a very humbling experience. We as a country have a long long way to go. It is heart breaking people fall for all this "War on Terror" bullshit.

Thanks- Paul

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Who Vetted the Real McCain if Vets Believe He's a Traitor?
Posted by: Liberella on Oct 28, 2008 5:28 PM   
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Why has no one - not one journalist - touched on McCain's POW history, why he had it classified, and why he has been POW families' worst nightmare since becoming a senator?

Even here on this site, I keep seeing vets posting over & over - why do they keep being ignored? Why do so many believe he's a traitor?

Vets, former POWs & MIAs and their families have been speaking out against McCain for 20 yrs, there for anyone willing to google
'McCain POW MIA' or 'Veterans against McCain.'

according to them: he has used his seat in the senate to disavow the survival of POWs and hamper efforts to rescue/retrieve them, all to cover up the extent of his collaboration with the Vietcong while a prisoner.

Now, no one save a former POW could fault him with collaborating. What is inhuman - if this is true - is not just the extent of collaboration, but what he has done since:

using his seat to turn against fellow POWs and their families, closing the commission that searched for them, purposely leaving them behind, all in an effort to conceal complicity.

Don't take my word for this: Google Sydney Schanberg, pulitzer prize winning author (The Killing Fields) - he's documented everything.

why is ALL media ignoring these people? Are they ALL lying? for 20 yrs? Or is no one brave enough to speak for them?

Please, before my head and heart explode, someone tell me WTF is going on.

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usterroristnation
Posted by: usterroristnation on Oct 29, 2008 12:13 AM   
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As America continues to lunge out of control invading, maiming and killing civilians in other sovereign states thousands of miles from home (yesterday Syria became the latest victim of US aggression when the country was invaded and more than a dozen civilians - including one whole family - were murdered)the rest of the world - for now - looks on in awe and wonders how this once great nation could sink so low (after 16 years of corrupt administration) as to choose two more idiots for President and Vice President nomination - it recalls to mind Peter Farrelly's picture "Dumb and Dumber" - I just can't figure out myself which one McCain and Palin should be as both qualify for Dumber ..... it's a conundrum.

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3 Flecks in the Sky
Posted by: MOTELCALIFORNIA on Oct 30, 2008 8:23 PM   
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Definitely a cold fish. I guess that in McCain's mind the Vietnamese deserve no respect because they didn't take the aftermath of his plane crash to its logical conclusion---his extinction. Gotta love this tough guy crap.
I wasn't going to vote for him because I don't vote Republican, but I wondered. After this article, I wonder no more. We have had someone who could care less for the past 8 years, now the Republicans have a candidate who believes it is his duty NOT to care, according to whatever rules of the game are playing out in his mind

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McCain is NO Hero.
Posted by: weslen1 on Nov 1, 2008 11:14 AM   
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I'm so sick and tired of hearing and reading the phrase, "War Hero McCain". What did he EVER do in his LIFE that was HEROIC? I don't know of ANYTHING and I am old enough to have watched on television the day John McCain arrived back home. There were many OTHERS who were ignored in favor of the "Admiral's Son", who probably deserved the attention much more than he did.
Anyone who wants to find out about a TRUE HERO, go to this sight,
http://www.audiemurphy.com/welcome.htm
or just google Audie Murphy.
True heroes don't THINK OF THEMSELVES as heroes and certainly do not USE their heroism for POLITICAL PURPOSES or BRAG about it either. John McCain is a Garrot trooper. The only reason he wasn't courtmartialed and dishonorably discharged is because his DADDY bought his way OUT of everything he could have been tried FOR, including the USS FORRESTAL DISASTER.

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