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Election 2008

Michael Moore: No More Socialism for the Rich!

CNN. Posted October 27, 2008.


"McCain is going to make sure the wealthy get another incredible tax break while everybody else suffers."
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The following is an excerpted transcript from Michael Moore's appearance on CNN's Larry King Live

Larry King: He is many things, but dull isn't one of them. Michael Moore, the academy winning documentary filmmaker. The latest film is "Slacker Uprising: A Look at the Youth Vote." His latest book is "Mike's Election Guide '08". He is a supporter, as you might imagine, of Barack Obama.

He comes to us from Traverse City, Michigan. And I understand you have some friends with you tonight calling themselves Plumbers for Obama.

You want to explain this? Where are you?

Michael Moore: I'm in a senior citizens house here in Northern Michigan. These guys behind me, they don't just call themselves Plumbers for Obama, they actually are Plumbers for Obama. And they they're licensed plumbers and they're going around helping out people who are in need of plumbing help, who maybe are of modest income, modest means. And so they want to show that real plumbers are for Obama. The average, you know, plumber makes maybe $40,000 to $60,000 a year, if he's lucky. And they're all going to benefit greatly from the Obama tax break that they're going to get if Obama is elected.

King: What do you make of the "Joe the Plumber" thing with McCain?

Moore: Well, I think it's part of the same illusion that the Republicans have been presenting for the last eight years. They say one thing, but the reality is, you know, something else, whether it's weapons of mass destruction in Iraq or whether it's now playing up "Joe the Plumber."

The Republicans, their whole tax plan is to punish the plumbers and everybody else who has a job like this in this country. And yet they somehow have taken this guy -- I feel kind of sorry for this guy, too. He probably didn't expect to be in the limelight like this. And but it's not really about him as an individual. And I don't think people should be getting down on him just because he isn't a licensed plumber or his name isn't Joe or anything else that's come out. I just think that that's kind of irrelevant.

The only relevant thing is that McCain is going to make sure that the wealthy get another incredible tax break while everybody else suffers. And Obama is going to make sure that the guys like this who are working behind me tonight here in Northern Michigan, they're going to get a tax break. They're going to get relief. They're going to get help.

King: What do you make of this, Michael?

Moore: It's one of the tenets of John McCainism and George Bushism. I mean that's exactly what they've done in the last month. I mean the complete irony of this, that they have spread the wealth around to more wealthy people. They have bailed out wealthy people who were playing a high stakes game of risk and failed. They were using money that didn't exist, that wasn't theirs, to try to make more money.

Actually, when these guys behind me here if they were to ever write a check for money that they didn't have in the bank and actually use that check to buy something with it, they'd be arrested. It's called check kiting.

But that isn't what happens to Wall Street. That's not what happens to the CEOs and the hedge fund people. They get away with this. It's these people, McCain, his campaign, they stand for socialism for the rich. Obama and the Democrats stand for giving these guys and other people like them a break.

King: Let's say Obama promises tax cuts for 95 percent of the people. How do you do that and solve health care and all the other problems that need to be paid for?

Moore: Are you asking me if I were drawing up the next budget?

OK. Here's what you do. You end the war in Iraq. That's $10 billion a month that we're spending that could be spent on repairing our roads, building bridges, building schools, increasing our workforce of nurses -- all the things that we really need in this country. We could start by taking the money away from this war and the money away from crazy Pentagon ideas that haven't done us any good and have only hurt us. That's one really good place to begin to find the money that needs to happen.


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Rush Lindbaugh - a joke! Michael Moore - the real thing!
Posted by: georgiaorwell on Oct 27, 2008 12:38 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Michael Moore continues to fight the good fight - I believe he's more of a patriot by far than the far right-wing types who parrot each other in their self-righteousness - hypocrites who live by: don't do as I do, do as I say. I guess Michael Moore is controversial because, unlike the main stream media, he dares to have an original viewpoint and he actually relates to the middle class.

As to Rush Limbaugh: he is an embarassment to Missouri, even Southeast MO; he flunked out of college in his first year, never succeeded at anything, and acts like he has some kind of knowledge when he's just coarse and loud-mouthed, spewing his ignorance and hate to those like him who gobble it up. But it does serve to show that you can actually get paid, in our great country, for being an imbecile.

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» A Rush Limbaugh Alarm Clock Posted by: aussidawg
A Preemptive Comment
Posted by: armorypk on Oct 27, 2008 1:19 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Here is my feeble (and no-doubt futile) attempt to discourage the usual gang of Michael Moore-haters from posting their predictable rants. First off, if personal insults are all you've got, don't waste your time. Commenting on Michael's weight, wealth, personality, motives or wardrobe will only highlight your inability to refute the truth of what he says. Secondly, please, don't embarrass yourself by labeling his books and movies as "dishonest", "full of lies" or "anti-American". No one has successfully challenged the facts presented in "Fahrenheit 9/11" or "Sicko". And Lord knows they've tried. Bottom line: Michael is right. He was right then, and he's right now. Live with it. Better still, embrace it. And then begin your long road to redemption by voting for Obama.

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» RE: A Preemptive Comment Posted by: KDelphi5950
» That would be me. Posted by: rickiey
» Well, Rickiey... Posted by: liz_imp
Dear Joe Biden.
Posted by: CosmoViking on Oct 27, 2008 1:55 AM   
Current rating: 2    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
My question is simply this: Who's "they"?

The only organization I know of, that since the end of World War Two has colluded transnationally to engineer various crises, is the organization that was once known as ODESSA, its' OSS handler Allen Dulles and what used to be the Reinhard Gehlen Foreign Armies East Intelligence network.

For years, we have called it the CIA, BCCI, ISI and so on. So what gives, Joe?

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Another Gem from Michael Moore
Posted by: Tom Degan on Oct 27, 2008 2:33 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Please forgive me for being repetitive; I know I've written this on AlterNet several times before, but it must be said again:

Two hundred years from now - that's assuming the American experiment survives - they'll be studying the films and writings of Michael Moore in civics classes.

The film "American Carol" will be remembered merely al a footnote in Mike's biography.

Tom Degan
Goshen, NY
SHOCKING REVELATION: TOM DEGAN LOVES AMERICA!!!

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» Assuming America Survives? Posted by: rickiey
INTENTION is Key to Democrat Win
Posted by: electriclady281 on Oct 27, 2008 2:48 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Many of you know of meditation and of making intentions and know how very effective they are. It is my intention that Barak Obama is our next president, and I believe that he has made that intention as well. If the millions of American voters who want Barak Obama to be our president not only vote (early, for vote-security purposes) AND also make the same intention...how can we fail?

MEDITATE FOR OBAMA.

INTEND THAT BARAK OBAMA IS OUR PRESIDENT

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» No it isn't, stupid Posted by: rickiey
lessons for young americans;
Posted by: richholland on Oct 27, 2008 2:52 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
from the book imitation of yesus christ 1499
we learn if you suffer on earth you have dubble pleasure in heaven...

if you come in hell you are used to it.

America is Gods own country, in USA everybody is beautifull and rich.....
so the poor people love to suffer, love the capitalisme...the rich people going to hell love socialisme.

social feelings are bad, community feelings are bad, my english is bad...
but at least more and more americans are doubting about Jesus Christ created the Capitalisme.

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» RE: lessons for young americans; Posted by: Cybershaman
a long 8 years
Posted by: GatoPreto on Oct 27, 2008 3:30 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
It's been a long 8 years, longer if Clinton's your favorite Republican President. I urge everybody in need of a breeze of positive energy to watch Mike's latest, Slacker Uprising. It's very enlightening to see so many people share the feeling of outrage and disgust at the current hooligans in office.
They (as Biden put it) are vastly, vastly outnumbered. It'll be interesting to see through which channels the 'crisis' will be sold to the people.

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» RE: a long 8 years Posted by: laoma
» RE: a long 8 years Posted by: aussidawg
Vote! Vote! Vote!
Posted by: Germanicus on Oct 27, 2008 3:33 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Oh, and did I mention that you should go out and vote.

This is not over. We need to stay energized and mobilized or they will steal it again. They are already softening us up -- McCain continuing to campaign in Pennsylvania when ALL the polls show it is lost. That is to create plausibility for a McCain win there. "It was all them Murtha democrats who just could not bring themselves to pull the lever for a negro", etc.

Repeat, this is not over. Don't let them steal this election or the Republic is DEAD!

PS: Thanks, Michael, for all your great work and a raspberry to Tom Degan for commenting before me!

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» RE: Vote! Vote! Vote! Posted by: Tom Degan
» RE: Vote! Vote! Vote! Posted by: clvngodess
» RE: Vote! Vote! Vote! Posted by: Germanicus
Black guy has a life preserver, White guy has an anchor
Posted by: Purple Girl on Oct 27, 2008 4:07 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
and you are in the middle of the ocean with sharks all around you, which one are you going to ask for help?
Come on Mac can hardly gather enough strength to even say the words 'Middle Class'
They call Obama's plan socialism (like it's a bad thing, while expounding the benefits of Feudalism. The name 'Trickle Down' is indicative of this (and has been bore out over nearly 30 yrs). First it insinuates all wealth is HARNESSED at the top, and is allowed to ONLY Trickle down as..Who sees fit? The ones with all the wealth.Does McCain think the middle class has not notice the trickle has left US dry? Interesting the proponents of this doctrine Never Mention How the 'Liquidity' gets Up ther to begin with....The middle and lower classes are the ones who keep replenishing the supply, That the upper class will "Manage" FOR US. Isn't this the claim Mac is making about Obama's plan, the gov't will Redistribute your money. If asked which would you trust your money to more..The Gov't or the wealthy? Well at least I have some say in the Gov't, I have none in the upper 1%.
So No Sweetheart I don't Own an Oil co!But Iam a partial owner in a Governing body, which If done correctly Will result in my part ownership of an oil co, by freezing and seizing all it's assests. they have made Billions off price gouging, Hoarding and cutting deals with foreign countries which are in direct conflict with OUR interests.What! 'socialize' out energy Industry..You Betcha!
Also most Americans would like a National health care Program for All citizens....aka 'Socialized Medicine', Like Medicare.
McCain chose the wrong analogy...No ones afraid of Socialism any more...He's dated himself,We aren't afraid of Russians, We're afraid of Corporationists- cause they've Fucked US so many times already.
Let's call this Historical election not only a mandate on Race relations lets call it the 'End of THEIR Guilded Age of Feudalism'

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By the way...
Posted by: Germanicus on Oct 27, 2008 4:13 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Change and Positivity is in the air!
Posted by: thinkverybig on Oct 27, 2008 4:32 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
The videos below are about change, inspiration, belief and compassion. I hope you like them and share them with everyone you know. We are headed in a new direction in the world we live and we as a society can embrace this new era with love. I ask for your support in helping spread the world.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EM58nqX1ehE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VN_pGy_1bEg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bD0iAQN7VPY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpfHz_WeXHw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QH9BtZwTyHo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWVGsuNecYg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UssvnQMn-EM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdfvQmh3b90

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03Enn5yiY-0



Go to youtube and do a search for "thinkverybig" and watch all of those videos. The one called "We Must Change" would be fitting to recite at Obama's Inauguration.

Here's a community organizer that's reached out to over 20,000 youth and has a goal of touching a million by teaching them the game of life using the game of chess. Click below to watch video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLFENGymr34

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Sage of our Age
Posted by: Urstrly on Oct 27, 2008 4:58 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Thanks for reminding us, Michael, about your attempts to bring GM to its senses. Twenty years ago, you were right about that, and 20 years from now, people are going to see that you were right about Wall Street. What happens in the interim is up to us.

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» RE: Sage of our Age Posted by: liz_imp
IT'S ALL CYCLICAL....
Posted by: drricklippin on Oct 27, 2008 5:15 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
....But during the sick cycles many die and even more suffer.

Generally,however, as the late Rev Martin Luther King said "the arc of history bends toward justice"

Thanks,Michael Moore, for helping it bend a bit more recently.You are a great and courageous patriot!

Dr. Rick Lippin
Southampton,Pa

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it is NOT socialism
Posted by: anechoic on Oct 27, 2008 5:35 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
it might make for a clever sound bit but if I hear one more pundit exclaim that the bailout is 'Socialism for the Rich' I'm going to scream...it is not socialism and has NOTHING to do with socialism. It is called fraud plain and simple.

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» It IS socialism... Posted by: pdxjoe
» No, it is FASCISM Posted by: truthlover
» Yes... Posted by: pdxjoe
» RE: Yes... Posted by: aussidawg
» RE: Yes... Posted by: liz_imp
» RE: It IS socialism... Posted by: KDelphi5950
» RE: My Chit in the Ring Posted by: blackie4aces
» RE: My Chit in the Ring Posted by: liz_imp
» RE: liz_imp Posted by: blackie4aces
» RE: It IS socialism... Posted by: liz_imp
Tweedly Dee And Tweedly Dum
Posted by: melpol on Oct 27, 2008 6:31 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
McCain and Bush are political twins. The only reason that McCain is more popular is because of the mistrust of the first African-American candidate. The Bush era will be coming to an end when McCain is defeated.

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X-POLYGAMIST WIFE in ARIZONA
Posted by: X-POLYGAMIST WIFE on Oct 27, 2008 6:37 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
If Obama put Michael Moore in charge of a new Corruption Watch Program (CWP), imagine how many devils would be tried for treason!

BANKING ON HEAVEN . COM

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Unfortunately, there are too many deluded "conservatives" on Main Street who keep dreaming of being
Posted by: maxpayne on Oct 27, 2008 7:12 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
RICH FLYING PIGS ala Donald FUCKING Trump. The "Joe the Plumber" voter thinks he/she will make it to 250k in just a few years even when their annual income is 50k at best and goes up very little to 55k at best or falls a lot to as low as 40k. Yes, a lot of these folks will deny their weaknesses in very hostile manners and will even go out of their ways to make up bullshit about hard work and charity when in fact they blindly support "free" trade selling out policies, deregulation and privatization for the elites, and even resource wars at the expense of hemorraging the funding needed for the very public infrastructure these same people need to survive even as they call reckless wars and "free" trade "patriotic" and denounce those of us who oppose them as "terrorists". That said, some of these poor schmucks will blame anyone but their favorite rightwing media lunatics for the damage done. Grover Norquist and Ann Coulter are somehow their "heros". Furthermore, these same die-hard rightwing voters on Main Street who suck up to the rightwing motherfucking elites will engaging in sadistic pleasures of fighting against their own working class to create socialism for Wall $treet even as they claim to denounce socialism. Worst of all, those of us in the working class trying to hold the corporate criminal goons on Wall $treet ACCOUNTABLE for their crimes and perpetrations will face PERSECUTION HELL from these same rightwing schmucks. With the way Main Street has been engaged in such INFIGHTING for the past 28, perhaps some could say 40 years, it is no wonder that Wall $treet can continue to have plenty of field days watching Main Street shooting its own feet out and laughing their ways to the bank until their ribs fall apart !

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» RE: "Wealth Mythology" Posted by: CatDad
Nice
Posted by: RedFoxOne on Oct 27, 2008 7:19 AM   
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Wow, Michael moore never ceases to amaze me. What will he think of next I wonder!

Jiff
Is your ISP watching you?

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Holding the Democrats feet to the fire is all of our jobs after the election
Posted by: warrior woman on Oct 27, 2008 7:19 AM   
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If the Dems do gain Congress and the White House, we will have to hold their heat to the fire to extracate us from all of the dangerous laws that the Bush administration enacted. There will be no reasons whatsoever that they can not change the Patriot Act, Military Commissions Act, FISA and so on.

They can also end the war, regulate our businesses, put experts back in charge of the protection agencies- re-establish the EPA, FEMA, FDA, etc, abolish the No Child Left Behind Act, write law to ensure that the separation of church and state is maintained, adjust health care, and bring jobs BACK to America. I can go on but you get the picture.

It will be people like Michael Moore that will need to step up to the plate and assist us in an ongoing endeavor to reestablish the United States on the principles in which it was founded rather than continue disastrous policies such as we've seen.

If they don't do this, well, it's time for another party. I won't hear excuses as to why they can not return our civil liberties. Obama is a constitutional scholar, he can lead the pack by encouraging sage legislation.

Let's get our country back.

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its called parasitism
Posted by: HANGTRAITORS on Oct 27, 2008 8:08 AM   
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The same people own the money machines also own all the important factors of production and the monopolies.. Most of the planets wealth goes to this small group. They own all the political parties. They are the government, and you are their slaves until they kill you off with one of their many methods.. Its a fraudulent syndicate called Parasitism. The governments essential purpose is to protect them and their ill gotten gains and advantages from YOU.

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Michael Moore is either naive or willfully ignorant
Posted by: susanhathaway on Oct 27, 2008 8:35 AM   
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Michael Moore is either naive or wilfully ignorant if he thinks that electing more Democrats is an automatic solution to our problems. Sure, they're better than the Republicans, but that isn't saying much. And at least most of the current Congressional Democrats, very much including Senator Obama, are beholden to the corporations that donate so "generously" to finance their campaigns and influence their votes. (Witness how Obama voted for the unconstitutional FISA bill after receiving large injections of cash from the telecoms.)

I agree that GOP domination has been bad for the country, but we have to realize that putting more Democrats in office is only a beginning--after the election, we will have to hold their feet to the fire to get anything constructive done.

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MM: Advocate for truth
Posted by: USAFVeteran1966 on Oct 27, 2008 8:51 AM   
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During the 2004 campaign, Michael Moore escalated the rhetoric against Bush 43 by accusing him of being a deserter. Republicans went ballistic over the charge and accused Moore of treasonous slander. Actually he was right.

Article 85 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice defines a deserter as any member of the armed forces who goes AWOL with “the intent to avoid hazardous duty.” It makes no difference when the hazardous duty was scheduled, war or peacetime.

In 1961, a Texas A&M classmate of mine, First Lt. Ernest Biehunko, flew his USAF F102 into a Nevada mountain while following radar controller instructions in cloudy weather at night. Military aviation can’t get much riskier than that. The inherent hazard of operating single-seat jet interceptors is one reason why Bush grounded himself while serving as an F102 pilot in the Texas Air National Guard and went absent without leave (AWOL). Technically, that made him a deserter, which Moore correctly asserted.

Vietnam vet/Obama supporter
Eight reasons to vote against John McCain

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Dana L. Stern
Posted by: Dana L. Stern on Oct 27, 2008 8:53 AM   
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For the lat eight years we have had government for the rich, Washinton D.C. elitists, and Wall Street. I don' call that Socialism. I call it what it is CRIMINAL!

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» I call it what it is... Posted by: pdxjoe
Race issue is really about discrimination
Posted by: Guatemala on Oct 27, 2008 9:55 AM   
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I have been listening to and reading about the US elections, and one thing surprises me: all the talk about 'race' without any talk about 'discrimination.' It is interesting how two-sided the issue becomes: 'both sides play the race card' -- which seems absurd, because the issue is only superficially about skin colour: that is what defines who discriminates and who is discriminated against. But the issue could almost a easily be religion (who is a born-again and who is not; who is a christian and who is not, who is a 'church-goer' and who is not.
The issue should be discrimination more than race: what is it; how does it work; what are the structures which support it; and how any progressive administration will counter it. Race is something 'neutral' -- we are born with our skin. We cannot do anything about it. But discrimination is learned social behaviour which we can and should change. When people begin to talk about difference in opportunity, wages, education, healthcare, justice because of skin colour, and how this difference is not appropriate in a modern democracy, then I think change can begin.

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Simple Explanation of American Tax Structure from Phd David Kamerschen
Posted by: Ky Lake Dave on Oct 27, 2008 9:55 AM   
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Bar Stool Economics

Suppose that every day, ten men go out for beer and the bill for all ten comes to $100. If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go something like this:

The first four men (the poorest) would pay nothing.
The fifth would pay $1.
The sixth would pay $3.
The seventh would pay $7.
The eighth would pay $12.
The ninth would pay $18.
The tenth man (the richest) would pay $59.

So, that's what they decided to do. The ten men drank in the bar every day and seemed quite happy with the arrangement, until one day, the owner threw them a curve. 'Since you are all such good customers, he said, 'I'm going to reduce the cost of your daily beer by $20. Drinks for the ten now cost just $80.

The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes, so the first four men were unaffected. They would still drink for free. But what about the other six men - the paying customers? How could they divide the $20 windfall so that everyone would get his 'fair share?' They realized that $20 divided by six is $3.33. But if they subtracted that from everybody's share, then the fifth man and the sixth man would each end up being paid to drink his beer. So, the bar owner suggested that it would be fair to reduce each man's bill by roughly the same amount, and he proceeded to work out the amounts each should pay.
And so: The fifth man, like the first four, now paid nothing (100% savings)
The sixth now paid $2 instead of $3 (33%savings).
The seventh now pay $5 instead of $7 (28%savings).
The eighth now paid $9 instead of $12 (25% savings).
The ninth now paid $14 instead of $18 (22% savings).
The tenth now paid $49 instead o f $59 (16% savings).

Each of the six was better off than before. And the fir st four continued to drink for free. But once outside the restaurant the men began to compare their savings.

'I only got a dollar out of the $20,'declared the sixth man. He pointed to the tenth man,' but he got $10!'

'Yeah, that's right,' exclaimed the fifth man. 'I only saved a dollar, too. It's unfair that he got ten times more than I!'

'That's true!!' shouted the seventh man. 'Why should he get $10 back when I got only two? The wealthy get all the breaks!'

'Wait a minute,' yelled the first four men in unison. 'We didn't get anything at all. The system exploits the poor!'

The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up.

The next night the tenth man didn't show up for drinks, so the nine sat down and had beers without him. But when it came time to pay the bill, they discovered something important. They didn't have enough money between all of them for even half of the bill!

And that, boys and girls, journalists and college professors, is how our tax system works. The people who pay the highest taxes get the most benefit from a tax reduction. Tax them too much, attack them for being wealthy, and they just may not show up anymore. In fact, they might start drinking overseas where the atmosphere is somewhat friendlier.

David R. Kamerschen, Ph.D.
Professor of Economics, University of Georgia

For those who understand, no explanation is needed.
For those who do not understand, no explanation is possible.

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I love Michael Moore
Posted by: soulrebeljc on Oct 27, 2008 10:35 AM   
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There is no greater patriot alive in this country today, hands down.

BTW, I see the trolls are lurking, because of all of the '1' ratings on the excellent pro-Moore comments above.

Begone trolls!

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» RE: I love Michael Moore Posted by: warrior woman
LET'S SEE, NOW...
Posted by: Aredee on Oct 27, 2008 11:46 AM   
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Michael Moore was right about GM.
He was right about our mania for guns.
He was right about Iraq.
He was right about the lousy state of health care in the U.S.
Yep, Michael Moore is dangerous.

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The only flaw in all this...
Posted by: MartianBachelor on Oct 27, 2008 1:14 PM   
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...is Moore's presumption that the "socialist rich" are all buying McCain and the R's, which is wrong. They're buying Obama.

That's why Obama has raised three times the dough that Bush did in 2004, and has a lower percentage of money (~25%) coming from donors who gave $200 or less than Bush, to boot, according to FEC public records.

In September, the D Party had to create new political action committees (eg, the Obama Victory Fund) to accommodate all the big donors who had already maxed out their contributions to both Obama and the party. The Committee for Change was created in July to allow the ultra-rich to distinguish themselves from the merely rich.

75% of $700 million doesn't come from nowhere, and you can be sure the rich didn't get that way by not getting something for their money.

The rich will always buy and co-opt whoever looks to be the one who will hold the reigns of power. Party and ideology have little if anything to do with it. Which is why progressives/liberals used to believe in the corrupting power of Big Money in campaigns, and used to believe in public financing as something which was non-negotiable.

Maybe there's some valid basis for Obama's opponents calling him a socialist: since the socialist rich certainly are for him, he must be one of them.

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SOCiILISM FOR THE RICH
Posted by: DennisDalrymple on Oct 27, 2008 1:48 PM   
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Hold it Comrade Mike!
When the rich get accustomed to socialism, maybe our government will more likely hear our demands for socialism for the rest of us, especially socialised medicine, and then.... Think of the possibilities.
DENNIS,NEW YORK

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Let's reflect before we vote
Posted by: jeffrey7 on Oct 27, 2008 2:34 PM   
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Now that we've had our eyes opened to just eaxctly what our money system is all about, let's get real real.
Truth...Not one candidate is actually saying they will end all military operations,just move them over to a new 'enemy' or as they say
'The real enemy'. Fact is through corrupt foriegn policy our 'friends' become our 'enemies' fairly regularly. So...there will be no end to the wars.
Truth...Bailing out Wall St. will stop any attempt at real Healthcare for all the people.Or any saving of the environment. Millions of us,myself included,called or wrote our Congresspreson and said 'NO!!" to their bailout. Our voices went unheard,they counted for nothing, just like when you vote. We will get nothing less than this by sending them back to DC.
Fact.... The jerks that got the bailout are the ones who really control the Government. They bought it,paid for it and run it. They are also the ones making vast sums of money off the ficticious 'War on Terror'. Neither Party will shit on their money machines. So...the People lose again.
We are the People that can bring change we really need. By doing what needs being done ourselves. Politicians exist only to serve their Masters. That was supposed to be us,the People, now it's only the Rich.
If we're going to be honest and bring financial help to the most needy,
then we need to look fa