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Election 2008

How Safe Is This Election?

By Andrew Gumbel, The Nation. Posted October 24, 2008.


The GOP attack machine isn't dead yet, but the wheels have started coming off.
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Not so long ago, when Karl Rove was still dreaming of a permanent Republican majority based on his "50 percent plus one" model for fighting and winning elections, 2008 was shaping up as possibly the dirtiest election season yet.

The plan was straightforward: to use every legislative and executive lever available to the GOP to suppress the votes of minorities, students, the poor, the transient and the elderly; and to denounce any attempt by the other side to level the playing field as a monstrous exercise in systemic voter fraud.

A lot of pieces of that plan are still in place and could still pose a threat to the integrity of the November 4 elections if any one of them -- a crucial Senate race, say, if not also the race for the presidency -- turns out to be remotely close.

Voter ID laws passed by GOP-majority legislatures in Georgia, Indiana and elsewhere serve as thinly veiled mechanisms for suppressing opposition voters, because those without driver's licenses or other forms of government-issued identity cards are more likely to be Democrats.

In several states, the Republican Party has made plans to challenge the legitimacy of thousands of voters, in some cases using a notorious, legally dubious technique known as "caging," whereby the party sends out nonforwardable mail to low-income or minority households (the people likely to move frequently or to be victims of subprime mortgage foreclosures) and uses returned envelopes to question the eligibility of the addressees.

Some Republican-run states, most notably Florida, have introduced absurdly strict standards for the admission of new voters to the rolls, making it likely that thousands, if not tens of thousands, of them will have to go to extraordinary lengths on election day to prove that they have the right to cast a ballot. History suggests many of these new voters will either give up when challenged or fail to show up at all.

Most serious, the Republicans have sought to use the Justice Department to legitimize these efforts and, in some cases, to extend them -- by paying close attention to the (mostly nonexistent) problem of individual ballot fraud while showing little or no interest in protecting the rights of minority voters, as the Voting Rights Act mandates that the department do.

The GOP has been laying this groundwork over the past several election cycles -- using each technique either as a means to squeak ahead in tight races or as a pretext for challenging results in the event of a narrow loss. We know, for example, that in 2004 the party investigated the eligibility of more than half a million voters across the country, challenged 74,000 of them directly on election day and had a plan in place to challenge tens of thousands more in such swing states as Nevada, New Mexico, Florida and Pennsylvania in the event that John Kerry came out ahead of George W. Bush in the race for the White House. (An e-mail trail setting out these plans was uncovered after the election by the PBS program Now.)

In 2008 the techniques for challenging voters this way -- or for deterring or disenfranchising them in the first place -- have become more widespread and sophisticated. Just look at the way the Republicans have demonized ACORN, the low-income advocacy group that works to register new minority voters.

In every election cycle since 2004, ACORN has been put through the wringer for supposedly aiding and abetting voter fraud -- usually in ways designed to sway the public against the Democrats in the days before a key state vote. While ACORN has had well-advertised problems getting its low-wage workforce to produce reliable voter registration lists, those lists have not been shown to result in a single fraudulently cast ballot.

This year, that demonization has taken on vast new proportions, presumably connected to ACORN's claim to have registered 1.3 million new voters. The FBI has launched an investigation that smells, once again, of political interference in the electoral process by the Justice Department. Republican operatives have accused ACORN, absurdly, of perpetrating the subprime mortgage lending crisis [see Peter Dreier and John Atlas, "The GOP's Blame-ACORN Game," page 20] and of being a "quasi-criminal organization" -- hinting darkly that ACORN-registered voters may not be eligible. One think tank that sees its mission as bashing ACORN on behalf of its big-business backers, the Employment Policies Institute, even calls it "a multi-million-dollar, multinational conglomerate."

The strange thing about this and the rest of the GOP attack machine is that somewhere along the way, the wheels started coming off. This is partly a result of straightforward political warfare: the groundwork laid by GOP operatives may be more extensive than in the past, but so are the campaigns to denounce their efforts, from the likes of Common Cause, the Century Foundation, the Brennan Center for Justice and other organizations that have issued report after report exposing the dirt and incompetence in the electoral system and calling the Republicans' bluff on the supposed scourge of individual voter fraud. It certainly helps that the denunciations are now coming from well-known groups with serious academic credentials and a commitment to accurate research -- a welcome change from the days when hardworking but underqualified Internet campaigners were breathlessly denouncing nonexistent political plots cooked up by the Republicans and the makers of touch-screen voting machines.

The change of mood is also a reflection of broader political realities. Barack Obama is ahead in the polls, the public is of a mind to view Republican maneuvering of all kinds in a less than favorable light and attempts to deter or suppress Democratic voters are up against the remarkable surge in enthusiasm and voter registration behind the Obama ticket. The Republicans were reported to be thinking about mounting a vote-caging operation against the former owners of foreclosed homes in one Michigan county, only to deny any such intent when the plan became public. In Montana, an attempt to disenfranchise 6,000 people in Democratic-leaning districts has sparked similar outrage. Dirty electioneering, in other words, may boost a party headed toward a narrow victory, as it did for the Republicans in 2004, but it can sink a floundering party like a stone. Voters can smell the desperation, and they don't like it.

The Republicans also made the mistake, as they have in so many policy areas, of overreaching and alienating even their own supporters. The US Attorneys scandal was probably the starkest example, especially since at least two if not more of the fired federal prosecutors were given the boot for their failure to pursue individual voter fraud. David Iglesias, the New Mexico prosecutor at the eye of the storm, described in his memoir In Justice earlier this year how the White House first went after Todd Graves in Missouri, to see if there would be a backlash, and became emboldened when they didn't detect much of a reaction. Another eight fired Attorneys later, the new Democratic majority in Congress was alarmed enough to start investigating -- and expose the Bush administration's gross political manipulations. Iglesias, interestingly, was a staunch Republican but refused to file unsubstantiated voter fraud charges when he knew any half-serious judge would throw them straight out.

More Republicans standing on principle have surfaced in the heat of the McCain-Obama battle. In October, Montana Lieutenant Governor John Bohlinger declared publicly he was "appalled at the leadership of my political party" for vote suppression activities that have "no place in a democracy."

It would be a mistake, though, to count on other John Bohlingers coming forward to denounce every piece of skulduggery. In fact, for those with a mind to be alarmed, 2008 is already sounding several warning bells. Republicans in at least three states -- Ohio, Florida and Wisconsin -- have sued the electoral authorities to try to expand their power to challenge voters. (The Supreme Court thwarted those efforts in Ohio, but the other cases are still open.) In plenty of others they have telegraphed their intention to go after voter eligibility among certain choice demographic groups -- students in Virginia, for example. Several swing states have tried to pass laws specifically outlawing caging and other vote-challenging techniques, but none, in the past couple of years, have successfully pushed them through their state legislatures and onto the desks of their governors.

Usually, vote suppression efforts come to light only in the last couple of weeks before election day. This time, though, the reports of foul play, or attempted foul play, started to pour in unnervingly early. "It's exhausting from this end," says one of the country's leading voter protection activists, Jonah Goldman of the Lawyers' Committee for Civil Rights Under Law. "Every day we get another three or four things we need to investigate. From a political perspective, the campaigns understand the mechanisms of elections a lot better than they ever did before. At the same time, we have by far the most robust and sophisticated voter protection program we've ever had. We've matured very far, on both sides of the issue."

Goldman is no apologist for the Democrats. On the contrary, he sees plenty of flaws to go around in the two-party system and in this country's massively devolved, loophole-ridden electoral system. The only reason the Democrats aren't causing more trouble of their own this season, he feels, is that they aren't as scared of losing. That said, voter suppression is typically a Republican tactic, going back decades. (Democrats, when they cheat, prefer to pad the rolls with supporters rather than purge them of their adversaries.)

Some of the possible vote suppression stems as much from organizational chaos as from ill will. This year, several states have struggled with a federal mandate to streamline their voter databases, leading to wide concern that eligible voters are being purged. The New York Times has found that tens of thousands of names were being struck from lists or blocked from registering in six swing states -- Colorado, Indiana, Ohio, Michigan, Nevada and North Carolina -- in apparent violation of federal law. In three states -- Louisiana, Michigan and Colorado -- the number of people who have died or moved out of state is far exceeded by the number of names taken off the voting rolls.

In a report on voter purges published earlier this year, the Brennan Center denounced a process it said was often "shrouded in secrecy, prone to error, and vulnerable to manipulation." Sometimes a highly technocratic point, like Florida's insistence that every voter registration form should provide an exact match of the name on existing state records, can have profound political ramifications. If a lot of people are going to get disqualified, it is probably the wealthier, more comfortable voters who will have time to present the proper paperwork and get themselves reinstated on election day. More transient voters, or voters with inflexible low-wage jobs, are likelier to give up once they have been told they can vote by provisional ballot only.

We can expect similar chaos with the allocation of voting machines, especially in new battleground states like Virginia and North Carolina, where the turnout for the presidential election is likely to break records. The voter registration problem and the machine allocation problem can be related, since new registrations are often a guide to likely turnout on election day. Since Virginia has a backlog on processing its registration forms, its chances of finding enough machines to satisfy demand look even dimmer. "Virginia is not preparing well," Goldman said.

To the extent that the problems affect minority voters, one might expect some sort of oversight or intervention by the Justice Department. Under the Bush administration, of course, the department has taken the opposite tack -- rushing to find individual voter fraud where it doesn't exist but filing no voter intimidation suits under Section 11(b) of the Voting Rights Act, except for one case in Mississippi where the aggrieved minority just happened to be whites. There's still a chance the department will clean up its act -- for example, it could choose to deploy teams of lawyers to problem areas in the South, as opposed to sending staffers, as it did in 2004, to keep an eye on crucial battleground states like Ohio. Typically, the Justice Department doesn't announce its observation plans until two or three days before the election. "We'll have to wait and see whether there has been an improvement or not," says a cautious Kristen Clarke of the NAACP Legal Defense Fund. We probably shouldn't hold our breath.

In the end, even the most insidious vote suppression technique makes just a marginal difference -- one half-percentage point here, another there -- and comes seriously into play only in a close race. Such tactics can't prevent an Obama landslide, if that is what we are about to see, or overturn a two- to three-point victory in any given state. Anyone who cares about fair elections, though, should be looking beyond just this presidential election. The Republicans who have dreamed up these techniques are thinking long-term strategy over many cycles, not just short-term advantage. The day may also come when Democrats are tempted to play dirty in their own ways -- although they have never attempted anything on a national scale as Republicans have. It will take many years of work to repair America's tattered voting system. Keeping a close eye and exposing as much of the dirt as possible in this election, though, is a good place to start.


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Is America Ready To Vote? Will Who You Vote For Get Your Vote?
Posted by: nochicagoboys on Oct 24, 2008 12:49 AM   
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"It certainly helps that the denunciations are now coming from well-known groups with serious academic credentials and a commitment to accurate research -- a welcome change from the days when hardworking but underqualified Internet campaigners were breathlessly denouncing nonexistent political plots cooked up by the Republicans and the makers of touch-screen voting machines."

Quite possibly the manufacturers had no role in committing voter fraud through vote manipulation, however their voting machines certainly are designed to enable such abuse. Those readers who subscribe to HBO, be sure to view their special documentary titled Hacking Democracy. It aired this past Monday, and it's showing at various times on the HBO spectrum of channels the last weekend of the month and up to election day. As for the potential for electronic voter fraud using what the author terms "touch-screen voting machines", please be sure to view Princeton University's video detailing vote-tampering capabilities using one of Diebold's DRE (direct-recording electronic) models that's used in voting precincts throughout the country.

Out of curiosity, last Friday I dropped in on my local election board (serving Prince William County, VA). I asked specific questions about the integrity of the DRE voting machines (Sequoia "Edge" model) used; the chain of custody procedures that are intact; security, etc., etc. I left shaking my head, confused and disappointed. The answer I received, which I expected, was that everything is okay, and "that someone would have to go to a lot of trouble, and why would they want to do that?" I reiterated my concern about the possibility of voter fraud and reminded the election board worker of the fraud that occurred in Ohio in 2004. The few citizens there, who were casting their absentee ballots, were listening intently but appeared nonplussed. That was equally concerning to me.

I suggest all citizens become more knowledgeable of the type of voting systems used in their voting jurisdiction. As mentioned, my county uses a DRE system manufactured by Sequoia. Although it supposedly has the capability of VVPAT (Voter Verified Paper Audit Trail), they are not outfitted with this option in my precinct, or in any other precincts in my state as far as I know. The VVPAT is a method of providing feedback to voters using a ballotless voting system, such as DRE, to assure voters that their votes have been recorded as intended. It is provided, and many experts argue necessary, to detect fraud and equipment malfunction.

Critics of DRE machines claim that there is an increased risk of electoral fraud, and if the security of the DRE software is compromised the election results could be tampered with in an undetectable fashion. In 2004, almost 29% of the registered voters in the United States used some type of DRE voting system, up from 8% in 1996. Expectedly, the percentage is even higher for this election. These voting delivery systems have, needless to say, put the total electoral process into question.

Because the author mentions the work by this organization, but doesn't provide a hyperlink, please be sure to go to the Brennan Center for Justice and study the recently released Is America Ready To Vote? State Preparations for Voting System Problems in 2008. The study provides a thorough review of the current status of each state's voting readiness. See how your state compares.

Being both a year of the Olympic games, and a presidential election, the phrase "Let the games begin" certainly carries a much deeper meaning.

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Dirty Tricks
Posted by: Tom Degan on Oct 24, 2008 3:11 AM   
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Here's the deal:

The Bush Mob knows damned good and well that once the Department of Justice is placed in the hands of competent prosecutors, a whole hell of a lot of them are going to go to federal prison for a very, very long time. And I include the president and vice-president in that list.

Trust me on this one, campers: They are going to do everythng humanly possible - legalities be damned - to see that a Barack Obama administration vever happens.

During the next eleven days, keep your eyes wide. This is not going to be an easy election to steal. In 2000 and 2004, the margins were so damned razor thin, election fraud was no problem for them. Count on them to intimidate voters in swing states all over the country even to the point of violence. Remember, these hideous bastards and bitches (Hi, Condi! Are responsible for the deaths of over a million men, women and little children - what's one or two more dead bodies to these assholes?

If the GOP steals this thing again, in spite of overwhelming exit polling to the contrary, the shit is going to hit the fan. Buckle up.

Tom Degan
Goshen, NY
Powell Redeemed

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» RE: Dirty Tricks Posted by: nochicagoboys
» RE: Dirty Tricks Posted by: Vik
Again, Big Trouble Possible!
Posted by: Nodarse on Oct 24, 2008 3:38 AM   
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Folks, Voter disenfranchisement may be the least of our worries.

As I stated in another thread, there is a serious legal challenge being made that could disqualify Obama from the Presidential race. It is alleged that “O” is not a Natural Born U.S. Citizen as required by our Constitution, and cannot run for President. So far, “O” has not responded to the law suit. And that Obama, by default, may have legally admitted to the petitioners claim by not responding.

It’s further alleged that “O” travelled with an Indonesian Passport, AND may have received student aid as a foreigner. If any of these allegations are true, Obama cannot remain a U.S. Senator either.

My greatest fear is that a disorganized insurrection may occur if an Obama victory is followed by his disqualification. People could be killed and many more harmed if something like this happens.

I don’t believe any of us can ignore this issue any longer. Can anyone shed some light on this matter?

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» It's all smoke and mirrors Posted by: Tom Degan
» RE: It's all smoke and mirrors Posted by: nochicagoboys
» RE: It's all smoke and mirrors Posted by: Basenjis
Dismantle The Rabid FAUX Propaganda Network, NOW!
Posted by: Ottomatic on Oct 24, 2008 4:34 AM   
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Rescind their License for
Being Propagandists.
Shut DOWN: Any Shock Jock spewing Hate, Lies and or Racism
News Programs must carry opposing View points in equal ratios.
Break up the Media Monopolies.
One Outlet in One Market.
End Carlye Rove’s Animal House, Propaganda Network!
FREE the Media from Corp-Pirate Control!
VIVA The Independent Media!

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Voting Suppression
Posted by: Robert Henry Eller on Oct 24, 2008 4:54 AM   
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It's simple: Voter fraud, and voter suppression, if they are not already on the books as such, should be made clear Federal crimes. Penalties should include substantial fines, prison sentences, and yes, for such treasonous behavior (as, if not more, treacherous than even physical terrorism), forfeit of US citizenship and extradition. Everything must be done to both encourage, and ensure, broad participation in voting, and accurate and reliable results. I don't care who wins elections, as long as we know who the actual winners are. Unfortunately, we would have a much harder time making lying a crime. But at least we should all be able to rely on the potential for candidates to be elected by actual majorities or pluralities, and at least potentially on merits. We will not always, in aggregate, make the right choice. But fair and honest voting is the only chance we have of correcting our mistakes. Any honest administration will make this issue one of its first priorities.

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» RE: Voting Suppression Posted by: CaptainDad
Voting is now more so than ever...
Posted by: Godfather89 on Oct 24, 2008 5:13 AM   
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... A purely symbolic act. We know or we are preparing to find out that "numbers aren't right" or even worst "we need to do a recount in the battleground states" or even worst than that "McCain got elected!"

Either way vote for who you vote for, but dont think it means anything. Hopefully the startling realization that our votes are pointless and our government is lost will finally awaken Americans to the harsh reality that we have not been truly free for quite sometime but have had the illusion of freedom.

Ron Paul Revolution!

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McCain, Obama, who cares? No difference.
Posted by: lindat on Oct 24, 2008 7:24 AM   
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If either one "wins" the rigged election, the REAL party that runs America - the Party Of Corporations And AIPAC - still keeps the real power.

Democrats and Republicans are just put out there to make people feel like they have a choice.

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Sinking Republigoons!!!
Posted by: xvictor on Oct 24, 2008 7:38 AM   
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In my many years of observing politics, I've never seen such a lopsided tilt against the disintegrating repub party. They are going down in flames on all fronts. The Rats are deserting the SS Republigoon in droves. I don't believe there will be any credible Repugnican candidates on the horizon for the next 40 years. Their self-assured, smug attitude that characterized their party members for the last 12 years has come to bite them in the ass in painful spades. But be careful, they might still have a dirty trick or two up their ever-shrinking sleeve.

While I'm happy that a huge landslide victory will favor the Dems and totally humiliate the Repubs, we must be vigilant that the Dems in power do not take us for granted.

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Why will Obama hire Reagan and Bush Cronies as advisers????
Posted by: xvictor on Oct 24, 2008 7:52 AM   
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So where is this "change" that Obama and his followers had been harping for the last several months if he intends to hire, as advisers, repub rats who had slavishly worked for Reagan and Pappy Bush. James Baker, Brent Scowcroft, Colin Powell, (remember those names?) among other odious Repug rats. Even Pappy Bush will serve as adviser.

I mean, a reasonable complaint after Bush won (or robbed) the presidency was his hiring of Reagan and Bush fossils, like the snarling Cheney (boy, did that go over well!!!).

Now Obama wants to do the same.

Again, where is the change?? Haven't we had enough of those losers?? It's fools like them that got us into this present mess in the first place. Aren't there other folks who have what Obama seeks?? No fresh faces??? Boy, it sure gonna look like the same old bullshit to me.

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It's safe for the neocons and neolibs regardless of Obama or Mccain !
Posted by: maxpayne on Oct 24, 2008 10:05 AM   
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Now shut up and just vote and get it the hell over with it !

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voting
Posted by: Archie1954 on Oct 24, 2008 10:10 AM   
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I still don't understand the tolerance in the US for such illegal tactics. Why aren't these criminal activities just handled normally by state or federal prosecutors without political interference? Most first world countries have separated such interference from the judicial administration to guarantee fairness. If the activity is illegal then it should be no question that the illegality will be investigated and sanctions invoked. That is the way most criminal law administrations work.

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» RE: voting Posted by: kk33deg
» RE: voting Posted by: Lilly
I just have to laugh
Posted by: DaBear on Oct 24, 2008 11:13 AM   
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It certainly helps that the denunciations are now coming from well-known groups with serious academic credentials and a commitment to accurate research -- a welcome change from the days when hardworking but underqualified Internet campaigners were breathlessly denouncing nonexistent political plots cooked up by the Republicans and the makers of touch-screen voting machines.

"underqualified" people whispering about "nonexistent" plots... and yet, there have been whistleblowers within Diebold, et al. and all these "qualified" people speaking openly about documented evidence of malfeasance and Republikaaner criminal activity including "actual plots" between GOP and voting machine companies. Hmmm.....

I just have to laugh when some people require the truth be told by the washed rather than the unwashed. The truth is the truth, evidence is evidence.... but some people still insist that the packaging and marketing is paramount to truth and evidence.

And that kinda makes me question the credibility of the washed... the wealthy and the owning class, the bunch that always seem to required hygiene, packaging and slick marketing before they believe anything that's practically slapping them in the face. Reminds me of Al Gore's movie and all those "washeds" who refused to listen to those unwashed Greens telling them all about global warming and climate change for twenty some years simply because they were unwashed.

Smells like extinction behavior....

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Big problems with touch-screen voting machines
Posted by: marain on Oct 24, 2008 12:09 PM   
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-- a welcome change from the days when hardworking but underqualified Internet campaigners were breathlessly denouncing nonexistent political plots cooked up by the Republicans and the makers of touch-screen voting machines.

If you think that touch-screen voting machines are okay, I would suggest that you visit The BradBlog and become informed.

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MsMike
Posted by: MsMike on Oct 24, 2008 12:22 PM   
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If you are a registered voter, don't let anyone or anything stop you from voting! Call the hotline # 1-866-OUR-VOTE (1-866-687-8683) for advice before you go to vote or for help if you are turned away at your election location. When you go to vote, take good ID, your cell phone, note paper & pencil. And carry the hotline # with you. For more information on protecting your vote, check out this story: protect your vote

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ALL THIS IS A GOOD REASON TO VOTE EARLY
Posted by: kk33deg on Oct 24, 2008 1:32 PM   
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I personally appear to have, at last count, gotten at least 20 people to vote early who wouldn't have otherwise. I have taken people to the poling places. I have given people instructions on how to vote early. I wear Obama gear pretty much everywhere except work, where it would be frowned upon greatly. Anytime anybody comes up to me and says, "like the shirt" or "like the pin" I ask them if they've voted early. If they haven't, I explain how easy it is. Last night at a music club, I was able to educate five 20-somethings that there was no barrier whatsoever to them voting early in Texas and how and when to do so.* They all said that would head off to vote the next day. I about to print out instructions for early voting and bring them to another live music event tonight and pass them out. These are simple actions that make a difference, and if I can wear an Obama t-shirt around Houston, you can wear one around, say, Cleveland, Tampa or Pittsburgh.

There are no poll challengers at early voting. Nobody is stuck with a "provisional ballot" to shut them up. On November 4 in Texas (where I live), virtually every minority voter in minority neighborhoods is challenged, and provisional ballots are given out like they are going out of style. Voting early makes it so much more difficult to steal the election. Also, if you live in a non-battleground state your vote is still important. It will be much harder for Karl Rove to engineer another election theft if the popular vote for Obama exceeds the vote for McCain / Palin by 1 million, let alone 10 million.

One last thing. Please take five to ten minutes to copy and paste this into an email, modify it as necessary and email it out to others who are inclined to vote Obama. Please ask them to do the same.

Barack the Vote!
Austin from Houston

*Bring a TX driver's license or a voter registration card, either one with your current address to any polling place in the county that you are registered in. Polling places are generally open 8 AM - 4:30 PM during the week; they are also open weekends, but the hours are different. Early voting runs through October 31. The Harris County courthouse on Preston in downtown Houston has almost no wait, even at lunch hour, because it has a ton of voting machines. It was a parade of likely Obama voters when I was there yesterday - almost all the people voting there were either pretty young, Black, Hispanic or some combination thereof, much to the panicked consternation of an obvious Republican lawyer type who walked in and saw the voluminous but rapidly moving line. For more info on voting early in Harris County, TX, go here.

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RP
Posted by: rav933 on Oct 24, 2008 9:35 PM   
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the failed economy of today is the direct result of the economic policies of the democratic Clinton regime and Alan Greenspan, what happened in the late 90’s as far as the US economic policies is the main reason for the downrurn seen a decade later. Ecomnomies are not driven by changes made a year or two ago but a result of changes with repurecussions a decade later. Which is why, we are in this dire strait, due to the democratic socialist policies of Clinton which were put into play by one Alan greenspan

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Lilly
Posted by: Lilly on Oct 25, 2008 7:29 PM   
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I subscribe to two mailing services, Media Matters and Mark Crispin Miller, and both are sending me twenty or thirty reports A DAY of vote tampering. Caging, purging, polls-closing, four-hour waits in line, vote-flipping---a full court press is afoot. This year we have thousands of lawyers out&about so many efforts to throw the vote are being foiled. I am appalled at the scope of the program to suppress and sabotage the Democratic vote; it's much worse than I thought.

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October Surprise or...
Posted by: bobtr900 on Oct 26, 2008 12:04 AM   
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The Rove Republican October surprise may become a Rove Republican November surprise. In other words, the Repubs may throw legal challenges at Obama and the Dem party, should he/they win the election. The end effect of such challenges being either that it will throw the election into huge doubt thus enraging people. Or, it will throw the election to the SCOTUS for a legal decision. And the SCOTUS will, as before, decide in the Repub party favor. Thus throwing the election to McCain-Palin.

Then Palin, being the veep, will upon the onset of McCains health problems become the prez. She will get Jeb Bush to be veep. Then the 'End of Times' will ensue.

This would be the desirable objective for the Pope (my religion) and his fundies and the evangelical fundies; all of whom espouse Armageddon and the End of Times.

This Armageddon could occur on a world-wide basis because the Repub party will have it's finger on the mechanism(s) to cause the End of Times. The mechanism will be either the Big Red Button, the nuclear button. Or it will be world-wide economic chaos, or both. Which will once again, just as now, be the doing of the Republican party.

We must see that the Repubs have learned how to cause world-wide economic chaos, they just did it. And they will have learned that they can do it, from what they may have achieved, albeit somewhat accidently. Does anyone actually think this lesson has been lost on Karl Rove. Rove is a very destructive sociopath who thinks that if he can do it and it is politically expedient to winning, he has every right to do it. To Rove, all is fair, no matter who dies or gets hurt. He is the perfect Business and Religious ideologue. Rove is a totally cold machine.

The Republican party and it's Big Business minions have always worshiped money and the political power it buys. But now they are joined by and in cahoots with the Religious Right, which also worships money and political power. Either one alone is not enough to cause the End Times, but both together can do such a thing. Maybe that is why Jesus said to NOT merge church and state, when he said to render to Caesar...and to God ... Maybe Jesus knew what He was talking about, exactly what He was talking about.

Their is nothing the average everyday person can do about any of this, should it occur. Maybe I'm being overly religious, but so many factors point along these lines and in these directions. Lest we forget the RR's(Religious Right) is an integral part of the Republican party. They are very desirous that Armageddon, the End Times to occur. And can anyone deny that what they want, they have been getting. The hate coming from the RR's, including my religion, the Catholic Church, is unbelievable and so huge as to be an undeniable fact of life. Religion is not supposed to be about hate, but it is, and has been throughout the GWB presidency.

Should that scenario come to pass, the Antichrist will be Rove, Palin or Jeb Bush, not GWB as it first seemed to be. Since Rove is the do-er of all of this, he would seem to be the Antichrist. How/where does the Repub party find people like Rove and his trainer Lee Atwater.

Hopefully I'm wrong, totally wrong.

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» RE: October Surprise or... Posted by: mchllecat
Why is it always slanted to help the GOP candidate
Posted by: mchllecat on Oct 26, 2008 6:17 AM   
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when we hear of voteing machines screwing up and voteing for the "wrong" person,the"button" usually picked the repub. candidate instead of screwing up the other way?Why are our tax dollars being spent to hide these facts from the public and why since the problem has been known for 8 years,is there still such a problem occuring?Bet if the votes for Mcain turned for Obama,or the votes turned from Bush to Gore,these problems and the easily hacking of voteing booths would have stopped.Our democracy is under attack by Neo Cons,they will lie cheat and steal all in the cry of it's for American,while totally ignoreing the fact that they are not acting American in any way shape or form.

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video can stop vote stealing
Posted by: oafbutt@hotmail.com on Oct 28, 2008 3:40 PM   
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People who vote on questionable machines should video pressing the key and then the response. Camcorders or cell phones can do this. With clear evidence of vote tampering, registrars would have to take other action. Further, such videos can be posted on YouTube and such sites.

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Talk about elitist media
Posted by: ntobi on Nov 3, 2008 8:07 AM   
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For many years now I have worked for election integrity alongside dedicated, intelligent, courageous, professional, and extraordinarily capable people, mostly women, mostly volunteers. We have stepped outside of our lives to enter the election trenches, work the polls, process innumerable public records requests, investigate, interview, film, record, and analyze American elections. We have sat with Secretaries of State, local election officials, Congressional representatives, Senators, presidential candidates, and state and local public servants. We have dirtied our hands in the muck of the system, diving into dumpsters to uncover evidence and information, traveling great distances in our research and investigations. We have attended meetings of federal commissions in Washington, DC, Atlanta, Georgia, Texas, and elsewhere.

We have sacrificed our personal lives, our health, our relationships with friends and families, and our careers pursuing information, evidence, and the restoration of democratic elections for our nation.

We have exposed the lobbyists and their money laundering-to-election fraud schemes, the Ponzi schemes to soak the American taxpayer for high priced, fraudulent election technology, cooked up by the e-voting industry and their pals in Washington, and more. We did all this, without being paid, without attribution or recognition, withstanding the smears and libelous vitriol aimed at us from politicians and the mainstream media - corporate and alternative alike.

Now comes Mr. Gumbel's assertion things are hopping along swimmingly:

"It certainly helps that the denunciations are now coming from well-known groups with serious academic credentials and a commitment to accurate research -- a welcome change from the days when hardworking but underqualified Internet campaigners were breathlessly denouncing nonexistent political plots cooked up by the Republicans and the makers of touch-screen voting machines."

Many of these people Mr. Gumbel references have in fact worked in opposition to us in the field uncovering the real information and the real issues. They have embraced false Washington solutions and promises that try to make the square peg of electronic and invisible vote counting fit into the round hole of democratic elections. They have ignored our pleas to focus on the fundamental issues, those being that privatized elections can never be democratic, that e-voting does not meet the mandate of the Voting Rights Act and numerous state constitutions for observable vote counting, and that outsourcing the sensitive governmental function of vote counting is in clear violation of the Office of Management and Budget's legal definition of non-delegable governmental functions.

Mr. Gumbal makes the erroneous and elitist and extraordinarily insulting assumption that we who have been working this issue and keeping it alive all these years that his industry chose to ignore it and to suppress it, do not have the academic credentials and are not qualified to undertake this task and to produce the voluminous evidence, research, and analysis that we have, in fact, produced.

If The Nation wants to take a real look at what is going on with American elections, and to really understand the very workable and meaningful solutions that we must and - equally importantly - can embrace to restore democratic elections to American polling places where they used to exist, and to create democratic elections where they have never existed, I recommend you send a reporter to talk to people like myself, Bev Harris, Susan Pynchon, Paddy Schaeffer, and others who have developed a deep understanding that can only come of boots-on-the-ground, in-the-trenches, experience, research, fact-digging, investigation, analysis, and intelligence.

Nancy Tobi

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