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Election 2008

Palin's Plunge: Voters Sour on McCain's VP Pick

By Thomas Edsall, Huffington Post. Posted October 19, 2008.


The more voters learn about Sarah Palin, the more wary they become. Her favorability numbers are dropping like a rock.
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The more voters learn about Sarah Palin, the more wary they become. Once the focus of post-convention Republican euphoria, the Alaska Governor is now viewed as a serious liability to the McCain campaign.



As it stands, Palin's polling numbers are daunting: with the unfolding economic crisis, her favorable to unfavorable ratings have switched from a positive 40-30, according to a September 12-16 New York Times survey, to a negative 32-41 in an October 10-13 survey.



Palin is, additionally, costing McCain newspaper endorsements. Editor and Publisher calculated that as of Oct 18, Barack Obama led McCain 58-16 in the competition for the backing of newspapers. Many of the endorsements cited Palin as a factor in their rejection of McCain. The Salt Lake Tribune, which supported George W. Bush in 2004, commented that "out of nowhere, and without proper vetting, the impetuous McCain picked Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as his running mate. She quickly proved grievously under-equipped to step into the presidency should McCain, at 72 and with a history of health problems, die in office. More than any single factor, McCain's bad judgment in choosing the inarticulate, insular and ethically challenged Palin disqualifies him for the presidency." The Kansas City Star, in turn, described Palin as "unqualified."



Brookings Senior Fellow Thomas Mann told the Huffington Post that initially, Palin both built conservative enthusiasm for McCain and drew widespread interest among voters who had not been closely following the race. But those benefits soon evanesced:



"Within weeks, she became a liability, primarily as a highly visible indicator of McCain's impulsiveness and recklessness in picking someone who is patently unqualified to serve as president and commander-in-chief. McCain's only chance of making this election competitive was to contrast his readiness to serve with Obama's inexperience and naivet. The Palin choice was the first clear sign (others followed) that McCain could not win that comparison."



Norman Ornstein, of the American Enterprise Institute, agrees about the immediate gains, noting that the "short term boost dissipated awfully quickly. Palin's clear lack of capability to serve as VP, much less as president, her lack of knowledge of even basics about most areas of policy, her ethical problems in Alaska over Troopergate, and the campaign decision to cloister her from serious scrutiny, all caused a drop in her own approval, but also reflected on McCain's decision-making style." Palin continues to "generate enthusiasm from hard-core Republicans who would not be as charged-up if the running mate were, say, a [Mitt] Romney or [Tim] Pawlenty," Ornstein says, "but the downside is definitely greater than the gain."



Palin's analysis of the current economic crisis has not won over most voters seeking a serious appraisal of the situation accompanied by well-thought out proposals. In a highly sympathetic interview with Sean Hannity on Fox News, the verbatim exchange on the economy went as follows:

PALIN: "Certainly it is a mess though, the economy is a mess. And there have been abuses on Wall Street and that adversely affects Main Street.




And it's that commitment that John McCain is articulating today, getting in there, reforming the way that Wall Street has been allowed to work, stopping the abuses and that violation of the public trust that too many CEOs and top management of some of these companies, that abuse there has got to stop.



It is, somebody was saying this morning, a toxic waste there on Wall Street, affecting Main Street. And we've got to cure this."



HANNITY: "Through reform?"



PALIN: "Through reform, absolutely. Look at the oversight that has been lax, I believe, here it's a 1930s type of regulatory regime overseeing some of these corporations. And we've got to get a more coordinated and a much more stringent oversight regime. Not that government is going to be solely looked to for the answers in all of the problems in Wall Street, but government can play a very, very appropriate role in the oversight as people are trusting these companies with their life savings, with their investments, with their insurance policies and construction bonds and everything else. When we see the collapse that we're seeing today, you know that something is broke and John McCain has a great plan to get in there and fix it."



HANNITY: "Is Senator Obama then using what happened on Wall Street this week? Is he using it for political gain? Is there a danger of a presidential candidate is saying to the world that America's situation of economic crisis is the worst that we've seen in decades -- which was words that he was using yesterday -- is there a danger in terms of the world hearing that?"



PALIN: "Well, there is a danger in allowing some obsessive partisanship to get into the issue that we're talking about today. And that's something that John McCain too, his track record, proving that he can work both sides of the aisle, he can surpass the partisanship that must surpassed to deal with an issue like this. It is that profound and that important an issue that we work together on this and not just let one party try to kind of grab it all or capture it all and pretend like they have all the answers. It's going to take everybody working together on this."
***



Vice presidential picks have been considered by political scientists as irrelevant to the outcome. This year, however, there is a contribution Palin may make: If McCain loses Florida by a close margin, Palin will likely deserve responsibility because of the animosity she has generated among a key constituency the GOP was depending on to abandon its traditional support for Democrats: older Jewish voters.



In Florida, where McCain had led - sometimes by relatively strong margins - Obama took the lead during the past month. Real Clear Politics gives Obama a 3.2 percentage point advantage in the state, which has become a key battleground.



In 2004, George W. Bush beat John Kerry 52-47 in Florida, while losing the Jewish vote, which makes up five percent of the electorate, 4-1.



On May 22, 2008, well before the Palin pick, the New York Times reported widespread concerns about the prospective Democratic nominee in a story headlined "As Obama Heads to Florida, Many of Its Jews Have Doubts."



The Palin pick was from the start viewed even more negatively by Jewish voters. By a margin of 57-37, Jewish voters nationwide said they disapproved McCain's decision according to a September 8- 21 survey by the American Jewish Committee.



Among Florida Jewish voters, according to University of Florida political scientist Ken Wald, "there's a great deal of resistance to her for a couple of reasons. First, on the issues, she's simply wrong. Jews as a group are pro-choice, anti-gun, and generally associated with liberal values on social and economic issues. Even many orthodox Jews, who are somewhat more traditionalist, are hardly raging social conservatives. The fact that her church hosted a Jews for Jesus speaker--at a service she attended and applauded--adds insult to injury. (Many in the Jewish community consider Jews for Jesus as a group that seeks the continuation of the Holocaust by peaceful means.)"



In addition, Wald told the Huffington Post, "among middle-class Jewish career women in particular, there's a resentment bordering on rage that somebody so obviously unqualified was appointed on the assumption that she would appeal to women. As women of accomplishment, they deeply resent the pandering and take it quite personally."



In an interview with the Tampa Bay Times and Bay News McCain acknowledged that he would be having a much easier time in Florida had he picked the state's Governor, Charlie Crist, instead of Palin. "Charlie, because he's so popular, he probably would have made a significant difference,'' McCain said, "Look, this is a tough decision that we made with Sarah Palin. But I also saw Sarah Palin come down here and energize crowds in a way that's pretty remarkable, too."


***



The crucial long-range question about Palin is whether she becomes the banner carrier for Republican conservatives, especially social conservatives, earning their support for the GOP nomination in 2012.



Conservative author and publicist Craig Shirley argues that Palin's "first job was to unify the convention and this she accomplished, even better than expected. Her second job was to rally the base and at this she has been less successful, though through little fault of her own. … Her only weakness is that her handlers did not believe in Palin as much as she believed in herself and as a result, she has been damaged and thus has some rehabilitation work ahead of her."



Shirley holds in disdain those on the right who have criticized or turned against Palin: "The sunshine conservatives and summer Reaganites who have cut and run on Palin are the same weak-sister Republicans who chose Gerald Ford over 'that actor' Ronald Reagan in 1976, because he went to Eureka College and because he foolishly thought we could defeat Soviet Communism. Didn't he know all the sophisticates on both sides supported 'dtente'?"



In the immediate aftermath of Palin's nomination over a month ago, Washingtonpost.com's Chris Cillizza noted the surge of enthusiasm for her: "While any number of candidates -- former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, Florida Gov. Charlie Crist, Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty -- are already being seriously mentioned, Palin has quickly eclipsed all of them when it comes to 2012 positioning. She is seen as the bright new star in the Republican universe and it seems unlikely that her fresh-faced appeal will wear off completely -- especially among the GOP rank and file voters who tend to decide the identity of their party's nominee."



That luster has, however, come off and -- despite Democrats privately cheering her on -- Palin's future as a national politician now appears likely to be damaged.



In what read more like an obituary than a commentary, Peggy Noonan wrote in the Wall Street Journal: "In the end the Palin candidacy is a symptom and expression of a new vulgarization in American politics. It's no good, not for conservatism and not for the country. And yes, it is a mark against John McCain, against his judgment and idealism."

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The press ignored the real story, which is that Palin is a creature of the oil industry
Posted by: gunboat diplomat on Oct 19, 2008 12:24 PM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
It's a tasty little story, with lots of big names and big bucks involved, and it goes right on up to Dick Cheney and the other oil industry reps in the federal government.

Our sordid little tale begins in Alaska, with the Murkowski-Stevens corruption story. This involved all manner of payoffs by VECO to Governor Murkowski and Stevens, who have repeatedly worked hard to give the oil industry whatever it wanted - essentially, it is a bribery case.

Faced with this rotten political corruption, the Republicans needed a fresh new face and a new strategy, and they picked Palin, the wife of a long-time BP employee, and they set her up as "the reform candidate."

In truth, she was exactly the opposite. She immediately began working hard for Exxon, BP, and Conoco interests, as well as for the pipeliners (Warren Buffet's Mid-American Energy, and then Transcanada).

There are two huge oil deals that Palin pushed through, both mostly undiscussed by the U.S. press. First was the "Pipeline to the Tar Sands" that Warren Buffet's Mid-American Energy had been pushing for. That pipeline is intended to connect Alaskan gas fields (leased to BP, Exxon and Conoco) to Canadian tar sands (also leased by BP, Exxon and Conoco).

Due to the corruption scandal, Buffet's Mid-American pulled out of the pipeline deal.

Palin then staged a "competition" for the Pipeline to the tar sands, which went to Transcanada - a pipeline company that plans to make money by shipping natural gas to tar sands and exporting the resulting synthetic crude oil to refineries in China and the U.S.

Here's the key point: "MidAmerican, based in Des Moines, Iowa, is a subsidiary of billionaire investor Warren Buffett's Berkshire Hathaway Inc. MidAmerican runs gas and electric power utilities, and says its pipelines carried about 8 percent of the natural gas consumed in the United States in 2006."

Buffet is also known to be a big investor in Conoco Phillips, which also plans to develop the tar sands. In fact, both Warren Buffet and Bill Gates are looking at the tar sands as their next big cash cow.

Here, we can see a video of Warren Buffet personally congratulating Palin on her victory:
http://www.youtube.com /watch?v=_BGE3cX3ZWQ

So, this is a woman who presents herself as some religiously motivated small-town hockey mom, while in reality she pals around with modern-day robber barons like Warren Buffet and Dick Cheney, while bending over backwards to do whatever Big Oil wants done - while at the same time presenting herself as someone "who is not afraid to take on the big oil companies."

That's just one deal. The other one she shepherded through was the offshore Alaskan oil lease sale, which also involved the cocaine & hooker-ridden Minerals Management Service, which is run by Randall Luthi, Dick Cheney's ex-aide. Here's the story on that:

$2.7 BILLION: Alaska won't get a penny from federal sale of remote Chukchi Sea tracts. Alaska Daily News, Feb 2008

For that deal, she also had to get some tobacco science experts to claim that global warming was a myth, so that whales and polar bears would not be declared endangered, so that more pristine locations could be drilled by the international oil corporations.

So, that's Palin - a corporate socialist and a tool of the oil industry, dressed up in hockey mom garb, who tells everyone that building pipelines is "God's Will."

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Sarah Palin is a creature of the oil industry.
Posted by: gunboat diplomat on Oct 19, 2008 12:26 PM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
It's a tasty little story, with lots of big names and big bucks involved, and it goes right on up to Dick Cheney and the other oil industry reps in the federal government.

Our sordid little tale begins in Alaska, with the Murkowski-Stevens corruption story. This involved all manner of payoffs by VECO to Governor Murkowski and Stevens, who have repeatedly worked hard to give the oil industry whatever it wanted - essentially, it is a bribery case.

Faced with this rotten political corruption, the Republicans needed a fresh new face and a new strategy, and they picked Palin, the wife of a long-time BP employee, and they set her up as "the reform candidate."

In truth, she was exactly the opposite. She immediately began working hard for Exxon, BP, and Conoco interests, as well as for the pipeliners (Warren Buffet's Mid-American Energy, and then Transcanada).

There are two huge oil deals that Palin pushed through, both mostly undiscussed by the U.S. press. First was the "Pipeline to the Tar Sands" that Warren Buffet's Mid-American Energy had been pushing for. That pipeline is intended to connect Alaskan gas fields (leased to BP, Exxon and Conoco) to Canadian tar sands (also leased by BP, Exxon and Conoco).

Due to the corruption scandal, Buffet's Mid-American pulled out of the pipeline deal.

Palin then staged a "competition" for the Pipeline to the tar sands, which went to Transcanada - a pipeline company that plans to make money by shipping natural gas to tar sands and exporting the resulting synthetic crude oil to refineries in China and the U.S.

Here's the key point: "MidAmerican, based in Des Moines, Iowa, is a subsidiary of billionaire investor Warren Buffett's Berkshire Hathaway Inc. MidAmerican runs gas and electric power utilities, and says its pipelines carried about 8 percent of the natural gas consumed in the United States in 2006."

Buffet is also known to be a big investor in Conoco Phillips, which also plans to develop the tar sands. In fact, both Warren Buffet and Bill Gates are looking at the tar sands as their next big cash cow.

Here, we can see a video of Warren Buffet personally congratulating Palin on her victory:
http://www.youtube.com /watch?v=_BGE3cX3ZWQ

So, this is a woman who presents herself as some religiously motivated small-town hockey mom, while in reality she pals around with modern-day robber barons like Warren Buffet and Dick Cheney, while bending over backwards to do whatever Big Oil wants done - while at the same time presenting herself as someone "who is not afraid to take on the big oil companies."

That's just one deal. The other one she shepherded through was the offshore Alaskan oil lease sale, which also involved the cocaine & hooker-ridden Minerals Management Service, which is run by Randall Luthi, Dick Cheney's ex-aide. Here's the story on that:

$2.7 BILLION: Alaska won't get a penny from federal sale of remote Chukchi Sea tracts. Alaska Daily News, Feb 2008

For that deal, she also had to get some tobacco science experts to claim that global warming was a myth, so that whales and polar bears would not be declared endangered, so that more pristine locations could be drilled by the international oil corporations.

So, that's Palin - a corporate socialist and a tool of the oil industry, dressed up in hockey mom garb, who tells everyone that building pipelines is "God's Will."

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Thank you
Posted by: MrAllen on Oct 19, 2008 12:31 PM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
...John McCain for picking the mind-bogglingly poor VP candidate S. Palin.

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Blind Ambition
Posted by: DavidGeorge on Oct 19, 2008 12:32 PM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
McCain & Palin are both ambitious contenders for the White House. This blind ambition also caused Hillary to adopt Rovian tactics in her effort to topple Obama. Both McCain & Hillary Clinton learned too late that Americans are sick and tired of these divisive tactics that worked so well for W. -- Hence Obama's endorsements from the Right and Left.

If Obama is elected it will be only the beginning in terms of righting (lefting?) the course we're on.

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BEST NEWS I'VE HEARD TODAY
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Oct 19, 2008 2:03 PM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Who really took her seriously? For countless reasons she was a bad choice. I'm still not convinced that McCain had a whole lot to say about it. Everyday I'm more and more convinced
that McCain was turned on by his own party. Where did Joe the Plumber come from? That was a setup if I ever saw one and McCain bought into it. Didn't anyone check this jerk's background? He should be able to trust his own campaign staff. Meantime, I hope we see the last of Palin. She was truly scary at times. I'm still not ready to declare victory but it gets a little closer each day. Did anyone ever think that there was so much crap going on in Alaska? Thanks, ANNA

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» "original sense of integrity" Posted by: WhatNow?
» Powell's integrity? Posted by: socialpsych
» RE: Powell's integrity? Posted by: harryf200
Narcissist?
Posted by: the53rdcalypso on Oct 19, 2008 2:20 PM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Despite all those important political bits, there's the possibility that she has narcissistic personality disorder: The evidence

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It is not over yet-the BBC and british media like fox news are still hopeful for mcain-palin
Posted by: avatar_singh on Oct 19, 2008 2:23 PM   
Current rating: 2    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
British media especially BBC with its agents in america is desperately trying to run racist campqaign in america and GUIDING AND LEADING the hate propaganda agasint obama-just like they did agasint dukakis in 1988 and agasint clinton in 1992.
Rest assured that when obama is elected then the same BBc bastards will try to befirend him to act for benefit of england in europe and world.
such are thse slimy british bastards.

In fact in the 1988 American election B.B.C. had invited the chief drug dealer of BAT(who of course is an englishman) and there was another American there. During discussion of Ducassis' candidature the B.B.C. anchor man suggested to the American that the opponent of bush was hardly an American as he looked to dark and was Greek, the country of geek being too much near Africa. It really happened. This shows a few things. According to B.B.C. not only Blacks were not American but also all those who the english agents have labelled ethnic Americans. In fact B.B.C. openly said (in that program-usually B.B.C. does not reveal its evil intention so easily) that the American means actually anglo-saxons. Don't confuse that it includes Germans either. The same English agents (in America) who created a monstrous film like ``birth of nation`` are the same people who crated prohibition only because many German immigrants were drinking bear and they did not like it. It is the same england sympathiser crowd who went on killing blacks, Irish,
etc -
British propaganda against Europeans races-- The same crowd who pushed U.S.A. Into both World Wars because otherwise England would have lost. It is the same crowd who asked for tough immigration measures against foreigners but have given free reign to English people to come to u.s.a. and work theatre without visa requirement. Those restricted against (from other foreign countries) are not only much more highly qualified specialists in their field but also they have much better standard of living than the English people who come to States. Those foreigners are mostly from elite school and are educated up to Ph.D. level while these english people are all non- PhDs. and almost all school failed. Very few of these english people are university educated. In fact England is a nation of plumbers and fitters. It is a progression from piracy and shop keeping. It shows in their accent that almost all of english immigrants to states are from plumber and fitter class. But they pose otherwise. they have created an accent only to show to Americans that they can sometimes Talk posh but it is a put on. actually they become posh only after they have milked America and taken jobs which would otherwise have gone to Americans. Besides their so called posh themselves have graduated from Pirates-turned _so called gentleman class. The upper class of England always have been pirate cum shopkeeper class. England never had aristocracy in the same the word aristocrat means. Aristocracy is in Italy, in Spain, In Germany, in France and other European nations. But the one country -england which never had true aristocracy talks a lot about that to impress Americans. Example-in all European countries There is a word to describe a lower member( let us say a starting point) of aristocracy-A Man who is mounted on a horse. Chevalier in French and Caballero in Spanish means exactly that. A man on horse. So is it in all European languages. but not in english. The equivalent word knight is not derived from horse
.It has been artificially given the same meaning. The reason is simple. In England there has never been a class of blood’s (though they talk most of all people about it). Anybody could be and can be given entrance to their so called aristocracy. Mostly Pirates turned shopkeepers have been favourites to receive knighthood. It is not true of only pirate queen Elizabeth1 but is has been much before that bandit queen

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» Good lord Posted by: moflard
» RE: Good lord... Posted by: harryf200
» RE: Good lord... Posted by: moflard
» What a load of GARBAGE Posted by: cordas
There is a very small sliver of the Republic base...
Posted by: Quannah on Oct 19, 2008 3:11 PM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
that are what can only be described as "worshipful" of Sarah Palin. The rest, I believe, are repulsed by her. No one who has the ability to think and reason could look at her objectively and believe she should be in the situation where she could possibly be Vice President, let alone President, of the United States.

I believe, after all is said and done, Sarah Palin will be the biggest reason McStain doesn't get elected.

Thank Gawd for the bad judgement of John McStain!

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» Thinking logically Posted by: walldodger1969
» RE: Thinking logically Posted by: cordas
» Speaking of Gawd Posted by: Bliss Doubt
Could it be?
Posted by: Suz on Oct 19, 2008 3:18 PM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
To me, these past two presidential elections have reinforced the notion, "Never underestimate the stupidity of the average American voter."

Could it be that now, I have underestimated their intelligence? It appears so, in this case, and if so, I would be quite pleased to eat crow.

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» RE: Could it be? Posted by: jamoze
Powell said it best on "Meet The Press."
Posted by: USAFVeteran1966 on Oct 19, 2008 4:27 PM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
During his endorsement of Senator Obama today, Bush 43's former Secretary of Sate and four-star general Colin Powell said, "Governor Palin is not ready to be president."

Powell left open the only reason Barack Obama might lose next month: bigotry. If that happens, America's fate will be permanently sealed as a racist society with no hope for redemption.

Vietnam vet/Obama supporter
Say NO to Songbird McCain

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» shd1230 Posted by: socialpsych
VOTE NADER
Posted by: PGR88 on Oct 19, 2008 8:51 PM   
Current rating: 2    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
So the Messiah Obama has destroyed any of the weak rules on campaign finance reform with his massive spending.

He has added Bush's first secretary of Iraq-WMD-Mobile-bio-labs-Anthrax-lies to his team

What a farce.

VOTE NADER

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» Here's ONE THING: Posted by: Bliss Doubt
» Please, i IMPLORE you! Posted by: sirios
» RE: Please, i IMPLORE you! Posted by: Bliss Doubt
» Well said, sirios! Posted by: USAFVeteran1966
Palin supports unAmerican hate with a smile and a blessing
Posted by: Kalster on Oct 19, 2008 8:56 PM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
What do we know about Pailn? What did John McCain know?
Palin supports unAmerican hate with a smile and a blessing...
Real proof that Palin is unAmerican or really stupid
Palin endorses an unAmerican political group, the Alaska Independence Party. The AIP hates the US Government and Palin is their buddy. Just search on Palin and AIP on You Tube.

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Can you imagine?
Posted by: Hankbrilliant on Oct 20, 2008 4:17 AM   
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Can you imagine what it would be like if the Republican ticket were to be elected to the Presidency and Vice Presidency? But then again, if elected to office (God Forbid!) they might be majorly stifled if, as hoped for, the Democrates get a veto-proof 60 seats in the Senate, and at least 250 or more seats in the House. If that were to happen, the American voter will have absolutely repudiated the last 8 years of the Bush presidential Holocaust.

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» RE: Can you imagine? Posted by: johnjmccarthy
VP picks are under more scrutiny than ever before....
Posted by: xvictor on Oct 20, 2008 5:53 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
In the past, the VP was more of a figurehead or stand-in role, wielding no real power and standing in the shadow of the president... but thanks to the Vice-Liar-in-Chief Cheney, he gave the vice presidency more power, privileges, and visibility than it should've received. That's why more attention is now given to VP picks. Obama's running mate, despite some faults, is far better qualified to be vice prez, and even prez, should that time come. And thank goodness the majority of folks in our country righteously believe Sarah Palin is totally unqualified for that post!!

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No bright political future for Sarah
Posted by: Ambercat on Oct 20, 2008 6:22 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
The problem with any scenario that posits Sarah Palin as a new political star or bright hope of 2012 is that she would never stand up under the scrutiny of running for president in what has now become a two-year-long campaign. How she would be able to credibly avoid doing press conferences, interviews, debates etc for that period of time is impossible to fathom. It's hard to see how she could cram in enough information to be credible in the next two years when she's shown such a nonexistent learning curve in the last decade and a half, which is the amount of time the right has been grooming her for higher office. That she has been unable to learn the basics of policy in most areas in THAT amount of time tells me she's not that bright or educable.

And if it weren't that, then I think the corruption has tainted her. The GOP shot this one off way too soon, a lucky break for the country.

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Question...
Posted by: QuestionAuthority on Oct 20, 2008 6:32 AM   
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Could it be that the Republicans forced McCain to pick her becase they wanted to throw the election? If so, what benefit would that give them? Palin running for President in 2012? I don't know. I just seems very odd to me that McCain would pick her, out of all the qualified Republican women, as his running mate. WWRD*?

*(What Would Rove Do?)

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» RE: Question... Posted by: wal55
» RE: Question... Posted by: VZEQICVA
Answer
Posted by: Lauren on Oct 20, 2008 6:47 AM   
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How Sarah Seduced Bill Kristol & the GOP Commentariat

"I don’t think she realized the significance until after it was all over. "

Oh, I think she did. The woman is an absolute master at seduction.

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a vast right wing conspiracy, now they call it The Cocoon.
Posted by: Lauren on Oct 20, 2008 8:29 AM   
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What Is The Conservative Cocoon?

The cocoon is the constellation of mutually-reinforcing conservative institutions - think tanks and advocacy groups, talk-radio shows and websites - that can create the same echo-chamber effect that the liberal media has long produced, and that at times makes it difficult for the Right to grapple with reality.

The cocoon is the place where it took an awfully, awfully long time for conservatives to admit that the post-2004 crisis in Iraq wasn't just a matter of an MSM that wouldn't report the good news.

The cocoon is the place where conservatives persuaded themselves, in defiance of most of the evidence, that the reason the GOP lost Congress in 2006 was excessive spending, and especially excessive pork.

And today, the cocoon is the place where conservatives are busy convincing themselves that Sarah Palin's difficulties handling high-profile media appearances aren't terribly important, that her instincts are more important than her grasp of national policy, and that the best way to defeat Barack Obama is to start with the lines that Palin has used on the stump - Ayers, anti-Americanism and ACORN - and take them to eleven.


My only question is, what is the 'liberal media'?

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avatar_singh, you are mistaken...
Posted by: ell999 on Oct 20, 2008 10:03 AM   
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avatar_singh, absolutely untrue. Firstly, let me make you aware of my intentions: I support the truth, thus my British nationality does not affect my opinions on such matters. Im just as critical of Britain as I am of anywhere else, so this comment is by no means a patriotic justification of the BBC.

Now, you are clearly passionate about your beliefs, but how can you justify that the BBC supports Palin? The BBC is renowned for being relatively fair (especially in comparison to many US networks), so to say they have Republican sympathies doesn't really float. Furthermore, do you live in the UK/have frequent contact with it? The sheer support for Obama that is floating around is quite phenomenal. In fact, Palin is quite regularly a good source of comedy! Now your case study's of Britain's abuses is not what I have issue with, but rather, to stereotype many-a-people from unethical practices of a ruling elite is wrong. Your passionate beliefs degrade your credibility. Im all ears for an intelligent and well-thought-out point of view, but ignorant phrases like 'a nation of plumbers and fitters' and your comments on 'poshness' really juxtapose your knowledge. Again, I'm not compelled to write this because I'm British, but because its not true.

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Wait until the public hears about this
Posted by: jpmdevildog on Oct 20, 2008 10:21 AM   
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Racy photos have emerged of Sarah Palin posing with alien beer during her beauty queen days. A young Palin is clearly seen in an advertisement for Old Clandathuu’s Best, the galaxy's #1 lager.

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Sarah Palin IS a SOCIALIST!
Posted by: weslen1 on Oct 20, 2008 10:20 AM   
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Every talking head on MSM is repeating ad-nauseum the clips of Palin and McCain ranting about Obama's "socialist" idea of "spreading the wealth around", but THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT FAILIN' PALIN DID IN ALASKA. How is there any difference? Except Failin' Palin TOOK nearly a BILLION dollars of tax payers money from the "so called" "Lower 48" AND Hawaii, in earmark money, a big chunk of which was for the "Bridge to Nowhere". That chunk she KEPT even though the bridge project was stopped in congress. And then she used that windfall to give away several thousand dollars each to the citizens of ALASKA to boost her own popularity at the EXPENSE of lesser money to the other 49 states whose budgets had to be CUT.
FAILIN' PALIN IS A SOCIALIST! And I just WISH people would THINK. She's NOT ONLY a SOCIALIST, but she's a lying, mean spirited, HATE MONGER as well. Isn't it ALSO interesting that NOT ONE WORD that comes out of her mouth isn't a verbatim repeat of whatever McCain has already SAID? Does she not KNOW the English Language without READING it from a script and REHEARSING it before she READS it?

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Librarian
Posted by: sarah44 on Oct 20, 2008 10:23 AM   
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Well, I think that Sarah has a learning disability or some type of borderline intellectual functioning (formerly known as boderline mental retardation). If that is so, I think that she should be proud of herself and find a job where she doesn't need the help of a manager, assistant or her husband AND where she doesn't senselessly fire people who don't support her opinions. She would make a BEAUTIFUL spokesmodel for some organization for people with learning disabilities, a PRETTY covergirl model or a SPECTACULAR actress! Sarah, make the right move and leave politics ASAP!

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Reluctant support from 97 year old
Posted by: larycham on Oct 20, 2008 10:48 AM   
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I read the article while having lunch with my mother, a McCain supporter. I asked her what she thought of Palin. "I am not sure I like her. But I like McCain and I trust his judgment." My mother is 97 and hard of hearing.

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The Palin phenom
Posted by: solrev on Oct 20, 2008 10:50 AM   
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Palin is rallying a lot of hate mongers, but many of those people will not vote, I’ll bet Joe the plumber did not vote in the last election. Many moderate republicans will be too scared to vote, fear is a two way street. Obama by 64% of the vote but only 321 electoral votes, go figure.

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» RE: The Palin phenom Posted by: VZEQICVA
» RE: The Palin phenom Posted by: Quannah
McCain showed his treasonous nature by picking Palin for a heartbeat-away commander-in-chief.
Posted by: USAFVeteran1966 on Oct 20, 2008 12:40 PM   
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Webster says a traitor is someone who "betrays his country, cause or friends."

Because McCain's "friends" -- the American people -- deserved the BEST qualified choice for a GOP vice president, not a dimwitted, cheerleading hockey mom beauty queen with no foreign affairs experience, the crooked-talking Arizona senator proved what many Vietnam veterans think about him, including yours truly. Songbird McCain is a traitor who betrayed his country in 2008 just like he did 40 years ago in North Vietnam.

Vietnam vet/Obama supporter
To learn how McCain betrayed America during the Vietnam War, click on: Songbird McCain

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Oh! The Wonderment 0f It All
Posted by: nitescribe on Oct 20, 2008 12:56 PM   
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It has dawned on me that we live in the New Born Age Of Comic Book Reality. Television swims in it. The movies wallow in this Pop Culture area. Even the Republican Party recognizes that they can reach Mid-America through comic book characters...even though they do it subconciously. This is the political party that gave us such unforgetable comic book inspired characters as "Superman" Spyro Agnew, "Dynamo" Dan Quayle and now "Wonder Woman" Sarah Palin. I'm glad this 12 ring circus is finally drawing to a close. I am politically exhausted. I think I'll go read the new Wolverine.

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You'd think
Posted by: willymack on Oct 20, 2008 12:58 PM   
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The rethugs would go after a woman with the mind of a Jody Foster or a Rachel Maddow to prop up loser mcminus (not that either of them would go anywhere near the vainglorious fool), but noooooo! They picked a pretty but empty minded ignoramus to appeal to the empty minded Joe Sixpacks of our citizenry. As with everything else the rethugs have attempted, it's been a dismal failure. They have a much better chance at disenfranchising likely Democratic voters and falsifying the vote count. They got away with it twice before, and are attemting it yet again, but this time our people just may be wising up to their crooked activities.

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They are all the same, no matter what party
Posted by: Reader11722 on Oct 20, 2008 1:38 PM   
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McCain/Palin, Obama/Biden, will anything really change? George Wallace said it best, "there's not a dime's worth of difference between" Republicans and Democrats. The Democrats willingly went along with the War in Iraq, suspension of Habeas Corpus, Patriot Act, banning books like America Deceived (book) from Amazon, Wikipedia and Facebook, warrant-less wiretapping and opening private mail. They are both guilty of treason.
Clean them all out and save this great nation.

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I've Thought That Palin Was a Joke From the Beginning...
Posted by: login@bugmenot.com on Oct 20, 2008 3:03 PM   
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I knew as soon as I read the first article regarding Palin being chosen as a running mate that there was something seriously wrong with her...since just about every article includes an image. Unfortunately, we may be stuck with her and McPain due to the "Supreme Court", and other vote-rigging tactics. -I can only say that if that is the case, I may be forced to move my family out of this country; I'm sick of the B/S!

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C'mon - what's not to like about Caribou Barbie?
Posted by: hurricane hugo on Oct 20, 2008 9:41 PM   
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Oh yeah - anything and everything.

jdfu!

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2012???
Posted by: adp3d on Oct 20, 2008 10:12 PM   
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Yeah, and maybe Dan Quayle can run on her ticket.

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this just in
Posted by: Dboy on Oct 20, 2008 10:59 PM   
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NEW YORK – Republican vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin says she supports a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage, a break with John McCain who has said he believes states should be left to define what marriage is.

In an interview with Christian Broadcasting Network, the Alaska governor said she had voted in 1998 for a state amendment banning same sex marriage and hoped to see a federal ban on such unions.



There should be a law requiring CBN watchers to get gay married...and as president that would be my first piece of legislation.

dboy

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PBS Palin Poll - VOTE!!!
Posted by: sec55 on Oct 21, 2008 10:23 AM   
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PBS has a simple poll on whether she's qulified. The right wing is flooding it with yes votes. Go to the following site and vote:

http://www.pbs.org/now/polls/poll-435.html

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