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The 10 Biggest Differences Between Obama and McCain That Will Affect Your Daily Life
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The future of Social Security, health care, education, income, employment, civil rights and democracy itself all hang in the balance. And the two candidates are worlds apart in their visions for the country.
From the fate of the Supreme Court to the future of Internet access, here are the 10 most important differences between Sens. Barack Obama and John McCain.
1. Who They Want to Tax
Tax cuts targeted at the wealthiest Americans during a period of runaway spending -- with hundreds of billions of tax dollars spent on the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan -- have resulted in massive federal deficits.
Both Obama and McCain say they'll control spending and cut taxes, but they are miles apart on the question of who would get those cuts.
According to an analysis of his tax plan by the Tax Policy Center, Obama would cut taxes on the 95 percent of filers who make less than $227,000 per year and raise taxes on the 5 percent whose incomes exceed that amount. Compared with current policy, Obama's tax plan would increase government revenues by $627 billion over the next 10 years.
McCain would make Bush's "temporary" tax cuts on the wealthiest Americans permanent. His plan would cut taxes on top earners by $23,000 per year. He would cut taxes for all other Americans as well, but his cuts would only be deeper than Obama's for those earning between $112,000 and $227,000 -- about 20 percent of the population. Compared with current policy, McCain's tax plan would decrease government revenues by $595 billion over the next 10 years, meaning that new spending cuts would be necessary to avoid growing the deficit even larger.
2. How They Would Shape the Supreme Court
The Supreme Court regularly hears cases on everything from personal injury to sexual harassment to environmental health -- cases that set legal precedents and can affect our day-to-day lives for decades, even centuries.
Our next president could name as many as three new justices for the bench. John Paul Stevens, Ruth Bader Ginsburg and David Souter are all likely candidates for retirement, which means the new picks would be replacing three of the court's four moderate- to liberal-minded justices.
If Obama becomes president, the political calculus of the court will probably stay the same. If McCain becomes president, you can count on an influx of conservative ideology.
First up on the chopping block would be Roe v. Wade. McCain has already promised that much. And if something happens to McCain and his running mate, Gov. Sarah Palin, takes his place, watch out. Not only does she want Roe overturned, she has made it clear that there should be no exceptions even in cases of rape or incest. Under her watch, a 12-year-old raped by her father would be forced to bear the child. For all of conservatives' talk about values, it's hard to imagine a worse way to start a family.
3. How They View Democracy
One of the biggest and clearest differences between Obama and McCain concerns voting rights. The Obama campaign believes in expanding the right to vote and has registered millions of new voters in 2008. The McCain campaign and the Republican Party believe in limiting voter turnout and have taken many highly publicized steps in swing states to suggest that Obama loyalists are plotting to vote illegally.
The McCain campaign has been criticizing voter registration efforts by the low-income advocacy group ACORN as an attempt to steal the election. The group registered 1.3 million voters in 2008, mostly young people, people of color and other working-class constituencies. State Republican parties, GOP prosecutors and sympathetic groups have been pursuing litigation and other legal tactics in key swing states -- notably Ohio, Wisconsin and Michigan -- concerning the validity of voter rolls in order to create bureaucratic hurdles for election officials. This can only complicate the voting process on Election Day and create a climate to discourage new voters from casting ballots.
4. How They Want to Change the Health Care System
Middle-class Americans are now being priced out of health care. Nearly a quarter of Americans lack adequate health insurance to cover medical expenses, now the number one cause of family bankruptcies.
The current system is unsustainable, and the candidates' proposals for fixing it are as different as night and day. Obama's plan would drastically reduce the number of uninsured (from 47 million to about 18 million) and would require children to be covered; McCain's plan would have little effect on the uninsured population. Obama's plan would allow individuals who currently have employer-paid health insurance to keep their benefits; McCain's plan would begin the dismantling of the entire employer-paid system. Obama would create an additional social safety net: a public health plan that would give people without access to insurance through an employer or entitlement program like Medicare guaranteed coverage with the same comprehensive benefits that members of Congress now enjoy. McCain doesn't favor safety nets. Instead, he would place a $3.6 trillion tax on workers over the next 10 years and use revenue from that tax to give people a credit ($2,500 for individuals and $5,000 for families) to purchase insurance on the open market. The trouble is, the average family policy costs $12,000, and it's much harder for an individual to negotiate good prices than an employer.
Perhaps most importantly, Obama's and McCain's health care plans reflect different philosophical approaches to human health. Obama has stated that he believes health care should be a right. McCain has stated that health care is a responsibility. That puts Obama in touch with the philosophy behind universal health care (guaranteed in every developed nation but ours) and puts McCain out of touch with the needs of everyone but the wealthy.
5. Their Plans for Iraq
An early opponent to the invasion of Iraq, Obama's current plan seeks a phased withdrawal that would last until 2010 -- although he has said he will revise his strategy depending on the facts on the ground. Beyond 2010, Obama says he will leave a "residual force" in place "to conduct targeted counter-terrorism missions against al Qaeda in Iraq and to protect American diplomatic and civilian personnel." He also intends to retain control of Baghdad International Airport and the Green Zone, and keep the U.S. embassy in place.
McCain has famously declared that the United States will remain in Iraq until "victory" is achieved -- even if it takes another 100 years. He has long refused to name target dates for troop withdrawals, claiming that it would be tantamount to giving terrorists a timeline for defeat. More recently on the campaign trail, however, he has claimed that Iraq can be "won" by 2013. Still, he has said he reserves the right to reassess the situation upon taking office.
6. Their Views on Energy
Both Obama and McCain talk a lot about a new energy future for the United States and weaning ourselves off dependence on foreign oil. But the two candidates have a different take on how to get us there.
While Obama has pushed for renewables like wind and solar, McCain has failed to make any meaningful move in that direction, missing all eight votes this year in the Senate to support renewable energy.
Instead, McCain strongly advocates nuclear power and believes it will play an important role in addressing climate change. While Obama has given lip service to the issue, saying he supports "clean and safe" nuclear power, McCain has pledged to "set this nation on a course to building 45 new reactors by the year 2030, with the ultimate goal of 100 new plants to power the homes and factories and cities of America."
The serious flaw in McCain's nuclear ambitions is that the world's leading scientists are calling for immediate action on climate change. Serious results need to occur in the next five to seven years, but a nuclear plant would take a least a decade to get on line.
Plus, experts from MIT and elsewhere say that more than 1,000 new nuclear reactors would be needed to come close to being a real solution to climate change -- an unrealistic goal, even if you ignore nuclear energy's other drawbacks of safety and expense.
7. How They Treat Our Vets
With American soldiers serving multiple tours of duty in Iraq -- and with thousands more scheduled to be shipped to Afghanistan -- the current burden on our military men and women is unprecedented. Meanwhile, the Department of Veterans Affairs is in the midst of a scandal over its systematic blocking of veterans benefits and shocking attempts to cover up PTSD and suicide rates. The result is a serious health crisis among American troops.
Obama has helped pass laws designed to assist homeless veterans and improve care for wounded veterans. He has received an 80 percent approval rating from the Disabled Veterans of America and a B+ rating from Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America.
McCain's record on veterans' issues is abysmal. He was given a D rating from the Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America, and the Disabled American Veterans reports that he has voted for legislation benefiting veterans only 20 percent of the time. McCain voted against health care funding for veterans in 2003, '04, '05, '06 and '07. And unlike Obama, McCain refused to support the Webb GI Bill, which was critical to ensuring that soldiers who enlisted with the hope of eventually going to college would be able to do so.
8. What They Think America's Young People Should Know About Sex
The United States has some of the most frightening rates of teen pregnancy and STI transmission in the industrialized world: Each year, almost 750,000 teen girls become pregnant, and 1 in 4 teen girls has an STI. The Bush administration's response has been to fund sex-ed programs that don't actually teach kids about how to practice safe sex.
McCain agrees with the commander in chief's failed approach to sex education. When asked by reporters in March of last year whether he is in favor of abstinence-based programs, McCain replied, "I think I support the president's policy."
McCain's position is reflected in his voting record. In 2006, McCain voted against a Senate proposal that would have funded teen-pregnancy prevention programs and sex education about contraceptives.
Obama is a proponent of comprehensive, age-appropriate, science-based sex education. Obama supports the Responsible Education About Life (REAL) Act, which would devote federal funding to science-based, medically accurate and age-appropriate information about safe sex. He was also a co-sponsor of the Prevention First Act, a measure that would increase funding for family planning programs and sex-ed programs that combine teaching abstinence with methods of safe sex.
9. Internet Access
You couldn't ask for a clearer difference between McCain and Obama than the one on the issue of whether the Internet should be kept as an open public space. Quite simply, Obama is for preserving the open nature of the Internet, while McCain favors private control over it. Telecoms and tech corporations have stealthily positioned themselves to seize control of the Internet from the public, primarily through deceptive multimillion-dollar lobbying and PR campaigns that attempt to reshape public understanding of how the Internet works, who owns it and what role the private sector plays in keeping it open. In order to ensure that broadband networks are open to all producers and consumers of Internet content on fair and equal terms, Washington needs to enact a series of legal safeguards to protect from market encroachment on public space.
10. Their Views on the Global Market
Neither Barack Obama nor John McCain is calling for dismantling the trade regime built up over several decades during both Republican and Democratic administrations. But their big difference on trade policy is this: Obama rejects the idea that the status quo is acceptable, while McCain argues that we need much more of the same and that anyone who believes differently is a knee-jerk protectionist.
Obama has not sponsored the Trade Act of 2008, a bill being pushed by the Fair Trade Caucus, nor has he called for a dramatic change in the underlying philosophy that has guided policy makers in recent years. But he has criticized globalization that "favors only the few" and has called for amending NAFTA, if necessary, in order to protect American workers. He also favors closing tax loopholes that reward companies that offshore jobs, supporting firms that create U.S. jobs and improving transitional assistance for workers displaced by foreign trade.
McCain, on the other hand, supports current trade policy. He has argued against agricultural subsidies, a key issue for anti-poverty campaigners in developing countries, and suggested that "fast-track" authority -- which allows trade treaties an expedited trip through Congress -- is an overreach by the executive branch. But he insists that trade is all about opportunity, that NAFTA has had an "unambiguously" positive impact on the U.S. economy, and that the status quo must be continued.
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Posted by: NoMcCainPalin on Oct 17, 2008 12:51 AM
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The late Colonel David Hackworth, popular TV commentator, Korean/Vietnam veteran, winner of 78 combat awards, including the Silver Star, Distinguished Flying Cross, Bronze Star, Air Medal and eight Purple Hearts, said the following:
"The facts are that McCain signed a confession and declared himself a 'black criminal who performed deeds of an air pirate.' This statement and other interviews he gave to the Communist press were used as propaganda to fan the flames of the antiwar movement."
"The United States Navy says two eyewitnesses are required for any award of heroism. But for the valor awards McCain received, there were no eyewitnesses, less himself and his captors."
"McCain refused an early release. An act of valor? Three former POWs told me he was ordered to turn it down by his American POW commander and he 'just followed orders.'”
POW Gordon Larson told the Phoenix New Times he did not believe McCain had been tortured before his interrogations at a POW camp called "The Plantation," as claimed by McCain.
POW Phillip Butler, Navy pilot and U.S. Naval Academy graduate who spent more than eight years in North Vietnam as a prisoner of war, gave the following explanation about why he would not support McCain for the presidency:
"I can verify that John has an infamous reputation for being a hot head. He has a quick and explosive temper that many have experienced firsthand. Folks, quite honestly, that is not the finger I want next to the red button."
Army Colonel Earl Hopper, a veteran of World War II, Korea and Vietnam whose son was shot down near Hanoi and killed, contends McCain gave information to his captors that helped them fine-tune their air defense system. Because McCain cooperated with the enemy in return for special favors and made radio propaganda broadcasts, the North Vietnamese contemptuously nicknamed him "Songbird."
POW Ted Guy, one of McCain's Senior Ranking officers at the Hanoi Hilton, longtime friend and admirer changed his mind about the Arizona senator's integrity. The reversal of opinion happened in 1992, after the Senate Select Committee on POW/MIA Affairs and following a series of recorded phone calls with McCain. Said Guy, "I don't trust John anymore. I think he's a total liar."
POW John Dramesi, who escaped from the North Vietnamese, was recaptured and brutally beaten, and later became the chief USAF war planner in Europe and Strategic Air Command wing commander, alleges today that "McCain says his life changed while he was in Vietnam, and he is now a different man. But he's still the undisciplined, spoiled brat that he was when he went in."
It's worth noting that ONLY one American POW has been honored by a statue in Hanoi. That person is Senator McCain.
Finally, if you're an undecided voter, learn about Songbird and his treasonous POW record by clicking on: Vote Against McCain (one of the HOTTEST anti-McCain sites on the Web)
Other websites freedom-loving Americans should visit, especially veterans like myself, are:
How McCain Betrayed His Fellow Vets
Iraq Vets Against the War
U.S. Veterans Dispatch
Vietnam Vets Against John McCain
Veterans Voice
Vote Veterans
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» RE: Difference #11: Barack Obama is a decent and honorable man. John McCain is not.
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» RE: Difference #11: Barack Obama is a decent and honorable man. John McCain is not.
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» Dear Karl.Ben. Scoll down for my retort to your reckless Hackworth smear comment.
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Posted by: nihilozero on Oct 17, 2008 1:50 AM
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» RE: I don't want to be responsible for what either do.
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» RE: I don't want to be responsible for what either do.
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» Nader is a big fake and a worthless a$$
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Posted by: centure7 on Oct 17, 2008 2:12 AM
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Then Alternet puts the abortion issue as #2, as if a most important pressing issue American's were facing is federal abortion legislation. Abortion is about the 30th most important facing America, if that. I think the fact that the #2 difference between McCain and Obama is their abortion position should be terrifying to people, as it shows their are almost no significant differences.
Then Alternet decides that Obama's position on expanding voting rights is some kind of difference. No, its trivial, and irrelevant. Now, there is actually one group of people who are systematically denied votes where the constitution does not seem to mention they should be denied voting rights. Nowhere in the constitution does it say being denied voting is a standard part of being convicted and going to prison. Yet Obama, who practically hates our beloved constitution though he damned well taught a class on it, has no intention to expanding voting rights to everyone who is constitutionally assured voting rights. The trivial number of additional voters by getting more poor voters registered would vote just as stupidly as the rich do any way, so it hardly starts to solve any problem I'm aware of.
The bottom line is McCain and Obama *love* big federal government programs that almost by definition flush ungodly sums of wealth down the toilet. That said, many of us could be homeless if Obama or McCain are successful in their outrageously mentally insane plans to cut taxes while raising government spending for yet another four years, so maybe this is more important than I think.
As for wanting the federal government to expand their effect on local health care, that is an absolutely insane idea. Such an overbearing, cumbersome, troll-like organization with a 20% or less approval rating has no business touching it. The feds are way over their line as it is, and are getting out of control. If health care needs regulations the states are absolutely perfectly equipped to handle that without the snakes in Washington contaminating it.
Clearly Alternet needs to write an article entitled "the biggest 10 non-differences between Obama and McCain".
Here are possible ideas for the title:
1. They both have no intention to pay down the federal debt, whatsoever, making them both brain-dead retards bent on driving the US to bankruptcy.
2. Without even having to check, I'm entirely sure they supported the $700B government check to rich bankers.
3. They both voted for the "patriot" ACT, so they are complete traitors who don't even deserve to live in America.
4. They both love big-ass bloated federal programs.
5. They both have no intention of reducing the 7,000,000 plus words worth of tax rules.
6. They both consistently lie.
7. They both will have at least some troops remaining in Iraq by the end of their term, meaning they are total liars when they act as if they ever want to withdraw from Iraq.
8. They both have no intention of withdrawing any troops at all from the over *****100**** countries we are in besides Iraq.
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» RE: What is this, opposite day? Clinton running up debt?????
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» RE: opposite day? Clinton running up debt? Deficit vs Debt
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» If they were really the same, the Republicans wouldn't be bothering with their huge fight
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Posted by: CosmoViking on Oct 17, 2008 3:22 AM
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How do you account for this and how do you intend change it? Feel free to include a self-critical analysis on the historical incompetence of politicians and their use of military force.
At present the United States and its' corporate and profit dictated foreign policy is the most universally loathed on the Planet, despite the exellent relationship between most American citizens and frequent visitors such as myself. How do you feel about that and how do you intend to change it?
David Rockefeller has stated that the world would be much better off under a corporate one world governemt without nations. How do you feel about unwarranted influence from the Council on Foreign Relations, the Bilderberg Group and the Trilatral Commission; their outspoken disdain for the population at large and their central banking/wafare profit model? HOw do you intend to change it?
IN the many years since 1976 NASA has maintained - despite protests from astronomers all over the world - that Mars is a red, lifeless world with a red sky that is bone dry. Now that they have lost control of the data coming from various probes on and around Mars and it has been demonstrated that the critics were right: Mars is orange-brown like Arizona or Australia, has a pale blue sky (yes, you better have another look at Total Rekall and other Philip Dick stories) and is fairly pleasant around the equator with plenty of water in the soil. How do you feel about this and how do you intend reign in these scientific lies and why they are being perpetuated?
The military control of space is a reality today and has been for 50 years. Nothing has come of it except secrecy, billions and billions spent on surviellance technology, a secret space program behind the scenes and space based weapons. How do you intend to open up space and all secrecy attached to it?
Peace,
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Posted by: Col. Jackleg on Oct 17, 2008 4:35 AM
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Posted by: newsound on Oct 17, 2008 5:54 AM
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Those who truly dislike Obama (racists, extremists, homophobes, stupid southerners, Republicans, etc.) will spend every waking minute trying to bring him down. The videos from McCain rallies are proof of that.
If McCain wins:
Just read the differences above and imagine the way things are now . . only worse. McCain's administration will have to close the borders, not for people coming in, but people wanting to leave.
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» RE: It's gonna be ugly either way . . .
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» RE: It's gonna be ugly - they will close the borders to people wanting to leave.
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» RE: It's gonna be ugly either way . . .
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» RE: It's gonna be ugly either way . . . voter vs election fraud
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» Point Taken
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» RE: It's gonna be ugly either way . . .
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» RE: It's gonna be ugly either way . Mccain-Palin worse than Obama
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Posted by: RedFoxOne on Oct 17, 2008 6:24 AM
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Posted by: Illiteratilumen on Oct 17, 2008 6:36 AM
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Voting for Obama or McCain means that YOU, the individual citizen, are voting in favor of more foreign wars. It means that YOU, the individual citizen, are voting to endorse their reprehensible actions on the financial crisis. It means that YOU, the individual citizen, are voting in favor of being spied on and detained without charges. It means that YOU, the individual citizen, are voting in favor of surrenduring control of our nation to international bankers and corporations.
Obama has this thing wrapped up. He will win the election in November. Don't waste your vote by voting with the forces of old and evil. This time why don't you try embracing the quaint notion of voting for a good candidate instead of a Democrat or Republican?
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» RE: simplistic - NO You Are Wasting Your Vote
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Posted by: X-POLYGAMIST WIFE on Oct 17, 2008 6:37 AM
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ABSOLUTELY NOT.
Arizona Senator Linda Binder talks about John McCain who wouldn't even return her calls when she asked for help.
While thousands of innocent Americans were forced into white slavery and young girls were raped by FLDS pedophiles, John McCain stood idly by.
Watch the video:
http://www.bankingonheaven.com/
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Posted by: IndispensiBill on Oct 17, 2008 6:48 AM
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And if we follow the money, we see that they are beholden to the same interests. All the rest is just smoke and mirrors to make us think we really have a choice.
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Posted by: thinkverybig on Oct 17, 2008 6:54 AM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EM58nqX1ehE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VN_pGy_1bEg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bD0iAQN7VPY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpfHz_WeXHw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QH9BtZwTyHo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWVGsuNecYg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UssvnQMn-EM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdfvQmh3b90
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03Enn5yiY-0
Go to youtube and do a search for "thinkverybig" and watch all of those videos. The one called "We Must Change" would be fitting to recite at Obama's Inauguration.
Here's a community organizer that's reached out to over 20,000 youth and has a goal of touching a million by teaching them the game of life using the game of chess. Click below to watch video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLFENGymr34
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Posted by: douglashoyt on Oct 17, 2008 7:02 AM
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Well, you failed again. Why not just become a straight up shill?
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Posted by: second party patriot on Oct 17, 2008 7:11 AM
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ok, so, you've shown us the differences between the corporate candidates. will part two discuss the differences between barr, mckinney and the true american hero, mr nader?
and why not? democracy- so 20th century.
alternet: clown puppets of the HOMELAND.
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» Even McCain doesn't agree with that
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Posted by: lindat on Oct 17, 2008 7:41 AM
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There is one party in America: The Business party, with two factions of Republican and Democrat to make people feel like they have a choice.
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» RE: Stop pretending. There are no differences.
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» RE: Hogwash. We all noticed the difference between Clinton and Bush.
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Posted by: Spiritgirl on Oct 17, 2008 7:53 AM
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This nation put it's collective eggs in the basket of G.W. Bush and his cronies, the now corporate controlled media did not fulfill it's due diligence to the public; the American public was never informed of the rotten way that he ran Texas nor were they informed about the corporations that he ran into the ground! After 7+ years under a spoiled, incompetent Imperial Presidency, I think this nation can and should take a chance on an unknown that just might be able to lead us back to the right track!
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Posted by: websmith on Oct 17, 2008 8:19 AM
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If you tax business, business raises prices to cover the tax and we pay the taxes. No matter which one of these guys is elected, we will pay.
Legislators and the banks have conspired to rip the wealth from the population. They shipped our jobs offshore, brought in millions of cheap foreign workers with H-1B visas and refused to protect us from an invasion of millions of illegal aliens. They have regulated energy to the point where up to $700 billion of our money is being sent out of the country to foreign oil producers every year and gotten us involved in an illegal war that serves only to give our money to the military industrial complex. They have allowed banks to take our money with loan shark type lending practices. They have legislated taxes, licenses and fines to the point where every single thing we do is now taxed.
There is no one left to sell products and services to.
It's time to make a change. http://ewebsmith.com/self/StandUp.html
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1. Who They Want to Tax
Question: What law gives the President the authority to Tax?
3. How They View Democracy
Comment: If we were a Democracy, President Gore would be finishing his second term.
4. How They Want to Change the Health Care System
Question: What law gives the President the authority to decide Health Care issues?, and when was the last time they stayed home with a sick child?
5. Their Plans for Iraq
Question: When did Iraq become the 51st State?
6. Their Views on Energy
Question: Any of these candidates Engineers?
7. How They Treat Our Vets
Question: How will they treat vets that refuse to enforce the police state?
8. What They Think America's Young People Should Know About Sex
Question: Are these guys proposing a War on Sex?
9. Internet Access
Question: Can either of these candidates restart a modem?
10. Their Views on the Global Market
Question: When was the last time these candidates went to a supermarket, or pumped gas?
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Three crashes early in his career led Navy officials to question or fault his judgment.
By Ralph Vartabedian and Richard A. Serrano, Los Angeles Times Staff Writers
October 6, 2008
John McCain was training in his AD-6 Skyraider on an overcast Texas morning in 1960 when he slammed into Corpus Christi Bay and sheared the skin off his plane's wings.
McCain recounted the accident decades later in his autobiography. "The engine quit while I was practicing landings," he wrote. But an investigation board at the Naval Aviation Safety Center found no evidence of engine failure.
The 23-year-old junior lieutenant wasn't paying attention and erred in using "a power setting too low to maintain level flight in a turn," investigators concluded.
The crash was one of three early in McCain's aviation career in which his flying skills and judgment were faulted or questioned by Navy officials.
In his most serious lapse, McCain was "clowning" around in a Skyraider over southern Spain about December 1961 and flew into electrical wires, causing a blackout, according to McCain's own account as well as those of naval officers and enlistees aboard the carrier Intrepid. In another incident, in 1965, McCain crashed a T-2 trainer jet in Virginia.
As a presidential candidate, McCain has cited his military service -- particularly his 5 1/2 years as a POW. But he has been less forthcoming about his mistakes in the cockpit.
The Times interviewed men who served with McCain and located once-confidential 1960s-era accident reports and formerly classified evaluations of his squadrons during the Vietnam War. This examination of his record revealed a pilot who early in his career was cocky, occasionally cavalier and prone to testing limits.
"Three mishaps are unusual," said Michael L. Barr, a former Air Force pilot with 137 combat missions in Vietnam and an internationally known aviation safety expert who teaches in USC's Aviation Safety and Security Program. "After the third accident, you would say: Is there a trend here in terms of his flying skills and his judgment?"
Naval aviation experts say the three accidents before McCain's deployment to Vietnam probably triggered a review to determine whether he should be allowed to continue flying. The results of the review would have been confidential.
The Times asked McCain's campaign to release any military personnel records in the candidate's possession showing how the Navy handled the three incidents. The campaign said it would have no comment.
End of L.A Times extract.
As a Vietnam veteran and former military pilot who flies single engine Cessnas, I wouldn't let McCain preflight my plane, much less get behind the controls.
Finally, if you're an undecided voter, learn the truth about Unfit McCain and his treasonous POW record by clicking on: Vote Against McCain (one of the HOTTEST anti-McCain sites on the Web)
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Posted by: AsteroidMiner on Oct 17, 2008 9:12 AM
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Gwyneth Cravens, 2007 Finally a truthful book about nuclear
power. Gwyneth Cravens is a former anti-nuclear activist.
Page 249: "The manufacture of photovoltaic panels requires highly
toxic heavy metals, gasses, and solvents that are carcinogenic. ........
If a residential fire burns a solar panel, people would be at risk for
exposure to toxic vapors and smoke, ... . If modules are dumped
into municipal landfills, then heavy metals such as arsenic and lead
can leach into the soil and water table. Hundreds of thousands of
years from now, some of those substances will still not have
decayed: their life spans are essentially eternal."
Page 250: "Solar farms big enough to supply 1,000 megawatts per
year [sic] or more would cover over fifty square miles and produce
a quantity of toxic waste that would be significant."
"For the 70 to 80 percent of the time when nature isn't cooperating
[with your solar power scheme], you need the grid or a fossil-fuel
generator."
Page 251: Solar power requires cutting down trees to keep the
trees from shading your solar panels.
"Wind tends to fail during heat waves. ... Wind power turned out
to be highly unreliable, with capacity plunging from its usual 33
percent to 4 percent during the time of peak demand."
Page 257: World CO2 emissions from electricity generation come
to 9,500 million metric tons a year. Using a small footprint,
hundreds of nuclear plants in more than thirty countries cut carbon
emissions by 600 million metric tons every year."
Page 269: "[E]very day the collective households and industries of
America throw away nearly a million tons of garbage containing
toxic heavy metals and dangerous chemicals, as well as plastics that
will never break down. That garbage will be our culture's real
legacy, enduring for millions of years after all the present nuclear
waste has decayed."
Page 290: There is a mistake: She says that the Waste Isolation
Pilot Plant in New Mexico is the only nuclear waste repository in
operation. France has one.
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1. Obama uses five sheets of toilet paper,McCain uses five $100 bills.
2.Obama plays a drum made from his Father's goat skin, McCain has old goat skin.
3.Obama hangs it to the left, McCain hangs it to the right but fidgits with his balls alot.
4.Obama will spray on you if you're in the next urinal,McCain will shit himself if you shake his hand to hard.
5.Obama's a Hanes man, McCain wears Victoria Secret.
6. Obama can eat a whole turkey in one sitting,McCain can get a turkey enema in a hour.
7.Obama won't change a diaper,McCain needs a diaper.
8.Obama has a mole shaped like Lincoln,McCain has a boil that looks like Bush.
9.Obama has'nt changed his lucky underwear in 20 months,McCain has'nt worn underaear for 20 years
10.Obama has his ass-hair cornrowed,McCain has his ass-hair transplanted to his head.
Are'nt you glad they did'nt really give full disclosure of the candidates now.
Jeffrey7
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Cravens, 2007 Finally a truthful book about nuclear power. Gwyneth Cravens
is a former anti-nuclear activist.
Page 13 has a chart of greenhouse gas emissions from electricity production.
Nuclear power produces less greenhouse gas [CO2] than any other source,
including coal, natural gas, hydro, solar and wind. Building wind turbines and
towers also involve industrial processes such as concrete and steel making.
Nuclear power plants produce a total of 30 grams of CO2 per kilowatt hour, the
lowest. This is the full life cycle CO2 output. There are no hidden CO2 outputs.
Wind turbines produce a total of 58 grams of CO2 per kilowatt hour.
Solar power produces between 100 and 280 grams of CO2 per kilowatt hour.
Hydro power produces 240 grams of CO2 per kilowatt hour.
Natural gas produces between 439 and 688 grams of CO2 per kilowatt hour.
Coal plants produce the most, between 966 and 1306 grams of CO2 per kilowatt
hour, the highest.
Remember the total is the sum of direct emissions from burning fuel and indirect
emissions from the life cycle, which means the industrial processes required to
build it. Again, nuclear comes in the lowest. Nuclear would produce even less
CO2 per kilowatt hour if the safety were lowered to the same level as other
sources of electricity. Switching from coal to nuclear is a 97% reduction in
electricity's 40% of our CO2 output. The refereed scenarios from the IPCC
failed to hold the CO2 down to 450 parts per million. You can't without building
something like 10,000 new nuclear power plants world wide to replace every coal
fired power plant on the planet. The 10,000 includes replacing all Generation 1
[Chernobyl style] power plants with safe American Generation 4 technology.
Let's get it done.
Page 211: In 2005, the production cost of electricity from:
nuclear power on average cost 1.72 cents per kilowatt-hour 1.00 times nuclear's
price. This is the full and total price. There are no hidden costs. There are no subsidies. There are no tricks. 1.72 cents per kilowatt-hour is all of it.
from coal-fired plants 2.21 cents per kilowatt-hour 1.28 times nuclear's price
from natural gas 7.5 cents per kilowatt-hour 4.36 times nuclear's price
from oil 8.09 cents per kilowatt-hour 4.7 times nuclear's price
Wind fits in here.
solar in a sunny place 22 to 40 cents per kilowatt-hour 12.79 to 23.26 times
nuclear's price
American nuclear power reactors operated in 2005 around the clock
at about 90 percent capacity
geothermal plants operated at 75 percent capacity
coal-fired plants operated at about 73 percent capacity
hydroelectric plants at 29 percent capacity
natural gas from 16 to 38 percent capacity
wind at 27 percent capacity
solar at 19 percent capacity
[Batteries not included but required for wind and solar. Why did wind and solar
operate so far below capacity? Simple: Wind power never works when the
wind isn't blowing. Solar only works at maximum during the noon hour. Wave
power only works when the waves are the right height and the generator hasn't
been washed away in a storm.]
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Energy" by Gwyneth Cravens, 2007 Finally a truthful book about
nuclear power. Gwyneth Cravens is a former anti-nuclear activist.
Page 35: Your golf clubs may contain depleted uranium [DU].
Don't worry, and don't confuse DU with spent fuel. DU is what is
removed from the uranium to make it enriched in U235. DU is
pure U238. U238 has such a long half life that it is almost not
radioactive. DU is safe to handle, but don't eat it because it is a
chemical poison. Heavy metals in general are poisons, radioactive
or not. DU has other uses that depend on its high density.
Page 70: Natural background radiation where the author happens
to be at the time is higher than what people living at Chernobyl are
getting. The US national average background radiation is 360
millirems/year.
Page 71: The natural background radiation in northeastern
Washington state is 1700 millirem/year.
The natural background radiation on the Zuni uplift is 500 to 700
millirem/year.
The natural background radiation in New Mexico is greater than the
calculated dose from the Three Mile Island meltdown, if you were
next to the reactor.
A chest x-ray gives you 10 millirem.
Page 72: The natural background radiation inside Grand Central
Station is 600 millirem/year because Grand Central Station is made
of granite. [ALL rocks are radioactive.]
The allowed exposure to the public from a nuclear power plant is
15 millirem/year.
A set of dental X-rays gives you 39 millirem.
Page 74: Smoking a pack and a half of cigarettes a day gives your
bronchial airways 1300 millirems/year according to the NCRP or
8000 millirems/year according to the National Academy of
Sciences.
Page 76: The cancer rate in New Mexico is much lower than the
national average but the natural background radiation is much
higher than average. The highest rates of cancer are around heavy
industry, chemical factories and petrochemical factories. [Benzene,
a petroleum distillate, is a very powerful carcinogen.]
Page 77: Natural gas contains radon, a radioactive gas.
Page 86: Among 80000 nuclear bomb survivors from Hiroshima
and Nagasaki, the cancer rate was only 6% higher than expected.
Radiation is very weak at causing cancer.
Page 90: At Chernobyl, only 13 to 30% of the reactor's 190 metric
tons of fuel evaporated. .13X190=24.7 tons.
.3X190=57 tons. [Much lower than the previous estimate of 200
tons, and trivial compared to what coal fired power plants give
you.]
Page 98: There is a table of millirems per year from the
background in a list of inhabited places. Here are some of them.
Chernobyl: 490 millirem/year
Guarapari, Brazil: 3700 millirem/year
Tamil Nadu, India: 5300 millirem/year
Ramsar, Iran: 8900 to 13200 millirem/year
Zero excess cancer deaths are recorded. All of the above readings
are natural except for Chernobyl.
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Posted by: opmoc on Oct 17, 2008 9:47 AM
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The United States of America
I am English and a Capitalist
But I believe in Fair Play
What I became aware of wasn't Fair Play
It was completely outrageous
So why exactly are American "Capitalists" trying to destroy the most basic fundamentals of Capitalism?
Capital is for investment in People - Companies - To Produce Useful Products and Services
But it was as if The Communists had taken over the most Powerful Financial Institutions in America and They Became Hell Bent at Bringing Down Every Company They Could By Starving them of Capital and Shorting them to hell
It's as if they had managed to take control of all the Fresh Water Supply - but on a near Global Basis
And Refused Water to all but their Friends
And Set Fire To Everyone Else
America needs to get its house in order.
This simply is not good enough
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- Republican Secretaries of State of swing-state Colorado have quietly purged one in six names from their voter rolls.
While Obama dreams of riding to the White House on a wave of new voters, more then 2.7 million have had their registrations REJECTED under new procedures signed into law by George Bush.
A fired US prosecutor levels new charges -
accusing leaders of his own party, Republicans, with criminal acts in an attempt to block legal voters as "fraudulent."
Republican operatives - the party's elite commandos of bare-knuckle politics," report Kennedy and Palast, under the cover of fighting fraudulent voting, are "systematically disenfranchis[ing] Democrats."
Rule 1 don't send in your ballot
2 Be sure to register
3 VOTE AS EARLY AS YOU CAN
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Posted by: rcarr on Oct 17, 2008 10:26 AM
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However, Senator Obama was elected for the first time to the US Senate 10 years after Justice Breyer was confirmed. He didn't vote to confirm the Associate Justice.
Also during the debate Senator McCain referred at least twice to Sarah Palin's experience with "autism." Again he was confused. She has a child with Down's Syndrome.
While these could be considered minor gaffs, his confusion about facts, misrepresentations of his opponent's policies, his dismissal of women's rights, his reinterpretation of his military and POW record, and his disrespectful responses to Senator Obama's comments all add up to being one of the worst candidates to represent the US in international politics.
So. the 11th difference is how they would represent the US in negotiations with foreign powers. Senator Obama would be respectful, accurate, determined, calm, and cooperative. Senator McCain would be hot-headed, off-the-cuff, dismissive, and unconcerned about facts.
If we are going to restore our reputation abroad and reinstitute respect and regard for the US as a way to prevent military intervention, the Senator Obama is really the ONLY alternative.
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Posted by: QQOblivion on Oct 17, 2008 10:28 AM
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500.
But in that state, 500,000(!) people voted for Nader, a THOUSAND TIMES the votes that were needed to have completely avoided the last 8 years!
You like the things the way they are now? You want things to get MUCH WORSE!? Then vote for your third party candidates and help McCain win.
Because if McCain wins, I swear we will have full-scale NUCLEAR WAR within half a year of he and Sarah taking office.
Do you want to be responsible for that!? You will be if you don't face facts and thus hold your nose in the voting booth.
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Posted by: AsteroidMiner on Oct 17, 2008 10:56 AM
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should not be wasted. We don't recycle nuclear fuel because
spent fuel is valuable and people steal it. The place it went that it
wasn't supposed to go to is Israel. This happened in a small town
near Pittsburgh, PA circa 1970. A company called Numec was in
the business of reprocessing nuclear fuel. I almost took a job
there, designing a nuclear battery for a heart pacemaker. [The
army offered me more money to work on nuclear weapons
effects.] [A nuclear battery would have the advantage of lasting
many times as long as any other battery, eliminating many
surgeries to replace batteries.] Numec did NOT have a reactor.
Numec "lost" a quantity of reactor grade uranium. It wound up in
Israel. The Israelis have fueled both their nuclear power plants
and their nuclear weapons by stealing nuclear "waste." See:
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/
x/pittsburghtrib/news/specialreport
s/buriedlegacy/s_87948.html
It could work for any other country, such as Iran or the United
States. It is only when you don't have access to nuclear "waste"
that you have to do the difficult process of enriching uranium,
unless you have a Canadian "CANDU" reactor or a British
Magnox reactor, both of which run on unenriched uranium.
Numec is no longer in business. The reprocessing of nuclear fuel
in the US stopped. That was the only politically possible solution
at that time, given that private corporations did the reprocessing.
My solution would be to reprocess the fuel at a Government
Owned Government Operated [GOGO] facility. At a GOGO
plant, bureaucracy and the multiplicity of ethnicity and religion
would disable the transportation of uranium to Israel or to any
unauthorized place. Nothing heavier than a secret would get out.
I have no financial stake in the nuclear power industry, and I
never have. Nobody is paying me to say this.
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Made down in a dead man's town
The first kick I took was when I hit the ground
You end up like a dog that's been beat too much
'Til you spend half your life just covering up
[chorus:]
Made in the U.S.A.
Made in the U.S.A.
Made in the U.S.A.
Made in the U.S.A.
I got in a little hometown jam
And so they put a rifle in my hands
Sent me off to Vietnam
To go and kill the yellow man
[chorus]
Come back home to the refinery
Hiring man says "Son if it was up to me"
I go down to see the V.A. man
He said "Son don't you understand"
[chorus]
I had a buddy at Khe Sahn
Fighting off the Viet Cong
They're still there, he's all gone
He had a little girl in Saigon
I got a picture of him in her arms
Down in the shadow of the penitentiary
Out by the gas fires of the refinery
I'm ten years down the road
Nowhere to run, ain't got nowhere to go
I'm a long gone Daddy in the U.S.A.
Made in the U.S.A.
I'm a cool rocking Daddy in the U.S.A.
Made in the U.S.A.
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Posted by: LeeAnnG on Oct 17, 2008 11:05 AM
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Yes, Obama and McCain have similar agendas, but similar does not mean identical. In order to determine how different the two branches of the corporate party (Democratic branch and Republican branch), one only needs to imagine this country if Gore had been allowed to govern after he was elected instead of having Bush appointed to the presidency.
We would probably not be in Iraq. In fact, it's entirely possible that 9/11 would never have happened. The Clinton Adminstration was very concerned with al Qaida and the threat of terrorism, and tried to tell Bush and his cabal about it when they left office. Reactions of the warnings were to completely ignore the subject, demote Richard Clarke's position to lesser importance (and keep him out of meetings), and change the focus to Iraq - even before the attacks on the US. I don't believe for a minute that Gore would have ignored a daily brief concerning Osama's determination to attack the US including references to jet planes.
Taxes for the wealthiest Americans are not likely to have been cut, at least not to the degree they have. Yes, the Republicans were in charge of the legislature, but a Democratic president could have vetoed the worst legislation.
Environmental laws and restrictions would not be systematically stripped on an almost daily basis. Gore is, at the very least, an enthusiastic environmentalist.
The extreme secrecy and executive privilege of the presidency would never have happened. Same thing with Cheney's sneaky energy councils.
We'd still have strong allies throughout the world, and the US would not almost universally be seen as the greatest threat to peace, even more than Middle Eastern terrorists. Torture would not be associated with the US government and military.
And speaking of the military, it would very likely not be so diminished it has to recruit high school drop-outs and ex-criminals to keep numbers up.
These are just highlights. Anyone can go back through the last 8 years, find atrocities, secrecy, arrogance, foolishness, systemic suppression of civil rights, and a multitude of other issues that would be quite different under a Gore or even Kerry presidency.
A wise woman I know once told me that it's fruitless to look for a perfect man, and even if you could find one, he'd be looking for a perfect woman. By the same token, it's fruitless to look for a perfect candidate. Even if you could find one, he or she would have to serve an imperfect electorate.
In politics, as in marriage, it may be necessary to ask ourselves, "Is this something that's not perfect that we can still live with?"
With McCain, the answer is a definite, unmitigated "NO," while with Obama, the answer is at least, "Perhaps."
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Answer: probably both. JP Morgan is now "managing" commodities futures to keep the price of commodities down, least they reveal runaway inflation. I have some bad news for anyone who thinks this strategy is sustainable. There is ultimately a market that sets prices. An explosion to the upside is going to crush what's left of our economy. Pickens is one person that knows the oil business inside out, and he says oil is going bakc to 150 dollars a barrel. Let's see how JP Morgan handles that!
By the way, I'm voting for Obama, but I don't hold out much hope.
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Posted by: IPF on Oct 17, 2008 11:46 AM
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Body count. In the last six months 292 killed (murdered) in Chicago, 221 killed in Iraq.
Sens. Barack Obama & Dick Durbin,
Rep. Jesse Jackson Jr.,
Gov. Rod Blogojevich,
House Leader Mike Madigan,
Atty. Gen. Lisa Madigan (daughter of Mike),
Mayor Richard M. Daley (son of former Mayor Richard J. Daley).....the leadership in Illinois.....all Democrats.
Chicago is a combat zone. Of course they're all blaming each other.
Can't blame Republicans, there aren't any!
State pension fund $ 44 Billion in debt, worst in country. Cook County (Chicago) sales tax 10.25% highest in country. (Look'em up if you want). Chicago school system one of the worst in country. This is the political culture that Obama comes from in Illinois .
Obama's gonna 'fix' Washington politics? Not.
Vote McCain/Palin
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» RE: The Biggest difference is change...HOW DARE YOU COMPARE IRAQ LOST LIVES TO MURDER IN OUR STREETS
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Posted by: ABetterFuture on Oct 17, 2008 11:46 AM
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In fact, one of the more prosperous recent times in our nation's history was when Congress and the President were dead set against each other, and there was very little pie-in-the-sky shenanigans going on that we see when Congress always says yes to the President and the President never (well, hardly ever) waves the veto pen. Anyone remember how great things were for the average citizen when threats of "government shutdowns" every quarter had both Clinton and Newt digging in their feet and wearing their pigheadnedness on certain issues on their sleeves.
Lockdown and bureaucratic gridlock, baby. Weren't those the good old days? So, Obama, you're the likely winner. I relieve you of your crusade (I know it's a lot of pressure) to fix my wee red wagon on a daily basis, if you promise to just not do stupid, lethal, or outright illegal things like your predecessor.
.................
But, unfortunately, we're likely to see more of the same things you get when you have a President working in near lock-step with Congress along majority party lines. The republicans had their (awful) grand everything-we-want experiment, now we get to see how badly the democratic everything-we-want experiments will go. At least if Obama makes good on his promise to withdraw from Iraq, that will be a start...provide we don't invade Pakistan in force. As for the rest of the damn pendulum ("duh economy"--an overly broad simplification that I'm honestly just tired of hearing about,Afghanistan, trade, jobs, making social security and medicare solvent or finding real alternatives...), my only advice is to watch for it and know when to duck.
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Posted by: stopthemaddness2 on Oct 17, 2008 12:10 PM
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No we can't, it is unthinkable!
There is no choice but to choose
OBAMA 08!
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Posted by: opmoc on Oct 17, 2008 12:13 PM
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Neel
Hey Neel - If I had been in the audience
Despite You Are a Lovely Looking Boy
I would have asked you a simple question from the front
You see I am rather old and have been going to school all my life
Sure sometimes I looked rather old sat at the front of the class with 50 kids behind me and maybe I was there because I am a bit short sighted and I like to see all the details of the slides and presentations
And if I didn't understand something
I would not be afraid to ask a question - and sometimes people would laugh at me for not understanding something so obvious
And so the question would be answered
But still I didn't understand the reply
And The Bright Boys were looking at me as if I was Really THICK
And so I would ask another question
And I would actually have a discussion with the Lecturer
And at lunch time the kids would join me at the table I was sat with my lunch
And say thanks - I didn't understand either - and as a result of your questions I think I nearly understand it - hell I didn't understand at all - until you started asking questions
Now look at Neel Kaskari's Lecture
Does Anyone Understand?
You want me to provide a link as well?
Its on CSPAN
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Posted by: DaBear on Oct 17, 2008 2:32 PM
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Sometimes I wonder if Alternet's staff is sipping the koolaid on the side or something. Other than Josh, most of the writers and editors seem to just blank out and totally space on key points when it really fuckin' counts. I'm getting tired of having to watchdog the good guys.
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» It is crap. Write Obama and tell him so.
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Posted by: DaBear on Oct 17, 2008 2:58 PM
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YOU give us a contract, with consideration, signed, notarized by your guy Obama, expressly stating that:
a) Obama and your party will immediately prosecute Bush & Co. for criminal and civil liability, etc. and the US will immediately join the World Criminal Court,
b) enact every feature of the progressive agenda we've all bitched about for the past 20 years (back when you all still were waffling on global warming), as you all insist he "might if we push him hard enough," and,
c) if he fails to do either or both of a and b,
you will: recall Obama/Biden and allow our candidates to run for the vacated seat, give us a federalized national Presidential electoral situation using only the IRV process and eliminate the electoral college,
and WE will give our vote to Obama/Biden on Nov. 4.
Like I said, I dunno if I can get the thirds together on this, but if you show us such a document, we can try.
I won't hold my breath.
If you can't do that, then just STFU about Nader, 2000, Florida, etc. and enjoy the ride your guy has earned for himself.
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» Oh, so YOU want a signed contract?
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Posted by: thinkverybig on Oct 17, 2008 3:11 PM
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I would like to encourage all of you to visit www.zeitgeistmovement.com and share this concept with everyone you know. We have to change the way we as a society do things and I can feel the since of change in the air!
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Posted by: ProudVietnamVet on Oct 17, 2008 3:29 PM
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Responding to a comment by NoMcCainPalin, Karl.Ben alleged the following:
"He [Hackworth] wore medals he did not earn and seems to have a history of unbalanced behavior. There is nothing credible about him."
Regarding NoMcCainPalin's retort that Hackworth had been "exonerated of all accusations that he didn't earn his medals," Karl.Ben said that wasn't true and accused NoMcCainPalin of spreading lies.
Previously I have been an AlterNet reader but not a commentator. Because of Karl.Ben's unfounded and malicious attack against MY hero, Col. Hackworth, I have decided to participate in veteran-related AlterNet conversations, starting with the following defense of "Hack":
Before his death from cancer in 2005, CNN and the CBS evening news with Dan Rather questioned the accuracy of Hackworth's own military decorations.
In particular, the reports accused Hackworth of claiming a Ranger tab to which he was not entitled and an extra Distinguished Flying Cross on his website.
Hackworth threatened to sue CBS and requested a formal audit of his military records. In response to the military audit, the Executive Producer of CBS News sent a letter to Hackworth that stated:
"The Army's audit of its records has determined that the Army made an administrative error back in 1988, when it reissued your medals and awards."
"Along with numerous other decorations, the Army mistakenly issued you a Ranger Tab and two Oak Leaf Clusters for your Distinguished Flying Cross. The Army has thus verified what we reported as your explanation of the matter."
"As far as we are concerned, the Army audit makes clear that you [Hackworth] did not at any time wear or claim any military honor not actually issued by the U.S. Army, based on its official records, including the service record you signed and dated."
"At the same time, CBS continues to believe that our reports did not state or imply that you knowingly wore or claimed decorations not issued by the U.S. Army and that any such inference drawn from the reports would be mistaken."
"Indeed, as we believe we made clear in our reports, by all accounts you are a man who has shown extraordinary heroism in your service to our country, and has deservedly been awarded many of the nation's most coveted awards for valor."
Karl.Ben should be ashamed of himself for smearing a deceased war hero. Hopefully, AlterNet readers will ignore any criticism he has of Col.Hackworth.
Attention NoMcCainPalin: Please email me so I can help you expose Songbird McCain as the traitor he is. My address is: WAL737Captain@aol.com
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» So what say you, Karl.Ben? No response. That figures.
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» Obviously Karl.Ben never served. Talk about a total jerk.
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Posted by: opmoc on Oct 17, 2008 4:14 PM
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For the last 5 Years
He Did The First 2 For Free
American Kids Just sent him money - To Get their Server Up and Running at The Fastest Data Centre In The World
He has started charging since
But Thanks All His American Friends For all Their Help and Money To Get Him Started
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Posted by: artifax on Oct 17, 2008 8:26 PM
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When he backs off his promises in order to kiss his big donors' butts (notice he no longer says the cash all came from us little guys?), how do we force him to do what WE need?
We'd better have those strategies ready, because I doubt he could do otherwise even if he wanted to. How hard would it be for ticked off elites to find a fall guy "lone nut" on whom to blame an assassination of the first black president? Easier than in and presidential killings before, of course.
Yes, I prefer him to McCain for his potential, but he is still the biggest sellout candidate in history. So let's not deify him. Let's be ready for disappointment but also to shift gears to pressuring him our way. And let's hope the Big Money sees he has no other choice and keeps him around.
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Posted by: tony2008 on Oct 17, 2008 11:01 PM
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http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=78309
This is the type of lie that is not easy to disprove because it verges on a seemingly truth based on visible facts (a video). However, the devil is in the details, and we need to be more emphatic in highlighting the fact that details do matter. Gadhafi was referring to Barack's father in his quote: "There are elections in America now. Along came a black citizen of Kenyan African origins, a Muslim, who had studied in an Islamic school in Indonesia. His name is Obama." As we all know, Barack was born and raised in the US, by a black father from Kenya and a white American mother. He attended Harvard University and served in the US Senate after taking oath on a Bible. Why did it take them so long to raise these idiotic questions, based on deceptive quotes taken out of context and shamelessly misrepresented? We need to fight these smears and dispel all the lies. I see some inaction on this front by the Obama campaign. Can anyone inform them of the huge misinformation campaign Mccain is conducting to steal another election? And this is just one issue, there is the Ayers, Accorn and other issues that are being distorted by the republicans left and right.
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Posted by: MEL810 on Oct 17, 2008 11:00 PM
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McCain is a Child of an Alcoholic and more than likely has Post Traumatic Stress Disorder stemming from the war and I feel these unresolved issues may fuel his problem.
When he was debating Obama, he resorted to low shots and smirked like a self-important frat boy. His smirk out did Shrub's. Shrub's smirk is just silly, McCain's looks angry.
He has the bad judgment to put a twit like Sarah Palin as his potential second-in-command.
No matter what else you may think of Obama,he is level-headed.
Casting third party votes may assuage some consciences, but if it helps hot-head McCain and incompetent zealot Palin get nearer the red-button, then that vote is dangerous.
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Posted by: salt-of-the-earth on Oct 18, 2008 2:39 PM
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I can't wait to get taxed for breathing. Obama has said he intends, upon his election, to order Interior to immediately declare carbon dioxide a terrible toxic poison.
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» Why don't you start breathing carbon instead of oxygen?
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» Because I'm not a plant. If I were, I'd love to
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» well, okay then
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Posted by: X-POLYGAMIST WIFE on Oct 19, 2008 6:51 AM
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10,000 people in Arizona desperately need help, but John McCain wouldn't even return Senator Linda Binder's calls.
Watch the video:
http://www.bankingonheaven.com/
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Posted by: sivad on Oct 21, 2008 1:07 AM
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Yet somehow we find ourselves not getting out ouf this rut. A Democrat version of W! (Oh I can here yall breaking out the rope to string me up but I think it's true!)
Just look at thiscampaign thorough honestly open eyes. He uses the tactic of fear to get your vote. If you don't vote for him your voting for another George W. Your voting to extend this war, your voting to keep the rich rich! "To pay taxes is patriotic!" Says Jo Biden. sounds like Bushit to me! So If I don't want to pay taxes I'm not patriotic? Obama is not "trying to punish me for being successful" he just want "to just try and spread the wealth" (though I'm not just so you know) I truly don't understand this and why you are all going along with it? This is not what we believe in. I am all for a hand up! But not a hand out. It is just a means of control! Hasn't Bush taken enough control of our lives? Why do you just want to surrender it to someone else?
Bush stole the 2000 election through the Federal courts. And in 2004 through dirty voter purging tactics. Yet Now Obama is BUYING votes and this article calls it "expanding the right to vote". Paying a person to register (whatever name they want... Mickey Mouse being 1 example) is expanding peoples rights? Will most of you do what the Republicans do and turn a blind eye to these wrongful practices and just throw un-deserving praise onto an un-deserving man and cram it down the rest of our throats to accept it or shut up? Did you not learn a lesson from Bush? Why are all the things that are wrong right if a Democrat does them?
Why does this article contain so many misleading things that most of you seem to go along with. An example: Item 1 says McCain will cut revenue by 595 billion but item 4 says he will increase it by 3.6 trillion to cover his health care plan. Oddly enough though item 4 makes no mention of how much Obama's health plan will cost. But we all turn a blind eye to that little bit of information that is not there... It seems we turn a blind eye to most of the information that is not provided. We just buy what Obama sells as fact because he said it... not because he backs it up. Remind us of anyone?
I do not enjoy being put into a position of defending a Republican but this article falsly claims under item 2: "First up on the chopping block would be Roe v. Wade. McCain has already promised that much". That is pure falsehood! How could anyone read this and even allow there minds to be brainwashed with this fodder? I know for fac that in the 3rd debate McCain affirmed quite clearly that Roe v. Wade was something he felt was up to the individual states to decide on "I'm a Federalist" he delcared (meaning he believes that states should handle their own agendas rather than a national solution) and that he would not address the issue during his term as President.
Could everyone, from both sides, just agree to learn the truth. Don't believe lies. Don't allow this slanderous nastiness to continue any longer. Demand that these media outlets give us the news unfiltered. Without a slant in either direction! Just the facts. I'm sick and tired of being told what I think by both sides. The Republican slant tells me how loony I am and the Democrats, under the leadership of OBAMA, just seem to confirm it.
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Posted by: Karen Kim on Oct 21, 2008 6:48 AM
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If you increase the taxes on business owners, like me, they can't afford to hire new employees. Last year was the first year my business made $250,000 after six years of hard work. I spent that money opening another office and hiring new employees. If Obama had been president I could not have had the money to do so. He would have taxed the income to give it to unemployed people in the form of a annual check, spreading the wealth. They would be better off with a job.
And in regard to healthcare-Why does Obama think the employer based model is so great? It is a strain on small business! Insurance companies raise the premiums 33% everytime one of the employees has a procedure. Why doesn't he target the large insurance companies? They charge large premiums while constantly decreasing the amount of compensation to physicians.
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Posted by: Honeygirl on Oct 23, 2008 2:34 PM
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My question: WHERE DID HE GET THE MONEY FOR THE TRIP? Neither I nor any one of my children would have had money 4 a trip like this when they were in college.
When he came back he started school at Columbia U in NY. It is then that he wanted everyone to start calling him Barack; not Barry. Do you know what the tuition is at Columbia? It's not cheap, to say the least!
WHERE DID HE GET THE MONEY FOR TUITION? Student loans? MAYBE.
After Columbia, he went 2 Chicago 2 work as a Community Organizer @$12,000 a year. Why Chicago? Why not New York? He was already there. By 'chance'he met Antoin 'Tony' Rezko, born in Aleppo, Syria, a real estate developer in Chicago. Rezko has been convicted of fraud and bribery just this year. Rezko was named 'Entrepreneur of the Decade' by the Arab-American Business & Professional Assoc. About 2 years later, Obama entered Harvard Law School.
Do you have any IDEA what tuition is 4 Harvard Law School? WHERE DID HE GET THE MONEY 4 HARVARD LAW SCHOOL? More student loans?
After Law School, he went back to Chicago. Rezko offered him a job, which he turned down. But, he did take a job with Davis, Miner, Barnhill & Galland. Guess what? They represented 'Rezar', which is Rezko's firm. Rezko was one of Obama's first major financial contributors when he ran for office in Chicago. In 2003, Rezko threw an early fundraiser 4 Obama which Chicago Tribune reporter David Mendelland claims was instrumental in providing Obama with 'seed money' 4 his U.S. Senate race.
In 2005, Obama purchased a new home in the Kenwood District of Chicago @ $1.65 million (less than the asking price).
With ALL those Student loans to pay back - WHERE DID HE GET THE MONEY FOR THE PROPERTY?
That same day, Rezko's wife, Rita, purchased the adjoining empty lot 4 full price. The London Times reported that Nadhmi Auchi, an Iraqi-born Billionaire, loaned Rezko $3.5 million three weeks before Obama's new home was purchased. Obama met Nadhmi Auchi many times with Rezko. Now we have Obama running 4 President. Valerie Jarrett was Michelle Obama's boss. She's now Obama's chief advisor & he does not make any major decisions without talking 2her first.
Where was Jarrett born? Ready for this? SHIRAZ, IRAN!
Do we see a pattern here? Or am I going crazy?
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» You raised the questions and want research. Please do it and answer your questions.
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Posted by: Honeygirl on Oct 23, 2008 2:46 PM
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People get jobs because they are needed in a particular job sector because of demand. When people have jobs, they spend on necessities and on extracurricular expenses for enjoying their lives. They keep the money circulating. Increase the taxes on those providing jobs and they'll either 1) pass on the costs to the consumer, in one form or another, so the 'little guy' still pays for it, 2) Cut back on jobs because of their increased costs, 3) Close business and take their assets elsewhere.
I didn't finish college, although I have a 'college degree's' worth of experience. However, life gets in the way. If I want to earn more money, I need to go back to school. That is on me. Don't like what you earn? Do something about it! Get a second job, or go back to school and improve your skills and education!
Karen, is seems you are in the pediatric medical field. Socialization of our medical system is going to get pushed down our throats. When my daughter and her husband lived in Ireland, in Dublin, he worked at a 'public' hospital, and when she went to visit him, she couldn't believe how the hallways stank of urine, feces and dirt! Canadians come south for treatment, rather than wait for their # to come up, or die waiting! God help us all if Obama wins. We were already on that 'slippery slope', and they'll just pull the slope out from under us!
I'm an independent, and I didn't like McCain as a choice for President, but the candidate I wanted didn't stand a snowball's chance in Yuma! So, for me, a vote for McCain is not FOR McCain, it's AGAINST Obama.
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Posted by: Honeygirl on Oct 23, 2008 3:07 PM
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Read my post... I'd like to do more research to 'follow the money' in Obama's camp.
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Posted by: left_libertarian on Oct 24, 2008 4:21 AM
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http://antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=13623
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Posted by: NoMcCainPalin on Oct 17, 2008 12:51 AM
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The late Colonel David Hackworth, popular TV commentator, Korean/Vietnam veteran, winner of 78 combat awards, including the Silver Star, Distinguished Flying Cross, Bronze Star, Air Medal and eight Purple Hearts, said the following:
"The facts are that McCain signed a confession and declared himself a 'black criminal who performed deeds of an air pirate.' This statement and other interviews he gave to the Communist press were used as propaganda to fan the flames of the antiwar movement."
"The United States Navy says two eyewitnesses are required for any award of heroism. But for the valor awards McCain received, there were no eyewitnesses, less himself and his captors."
"McCain refused an early release. An act of valor? Three former POWs told me he was ordered to turn it down by his American POW commander and he 'just followed orders.'”
POW Gordon Larson told the Phoenix New Times he did not believe McCain had been tortured before his interrogations at a POW camp called "The Plantation," as claimed by McCain.
POW Phillip Butler, Navy pilot and U.S. Naval Academy graduate who spent more than eight years in North Vietnam as a prisoner of war, gave the following explanation about why he would not support McCain for the presidency:
"I can verify that John has an infamous reputation for being a hot head. He has a quick and explosive temper that many have experienced firsthand. Folks, quite honestly, that is not the finger I want next to the red button."
Army Colonel Earl Hopper, a veteran of World War II, Korea and Vietnam whose son was shot down near Hanoi and killed, contends McCain gave information to his captors that helped them fine-tune their air defense system. Because McCain cooperated with the enemy in return for special favors and made radio propaganda broadcasts, the North Vietnamese contemptuously nicknamed him "Songbird."
POW Ted Guy, one of McCain's Senior Ranking officers at the Hanoi Hilton, longtime friend and admirer changed his mind about the Arizona senator's integrity. The reversal of opinion happened in 1992, after the Senate Select Committee on POW/MIA Affairs and following a series of recorded phone calls with McCain. Said Guy, "I don't trust John anymore. I think he's a total liar."
POW John Dramesi, who escaped from the North Vietnamese, was recaptured and brutally beaten, and later became the chief USAF war planner in Europe and Strategic Air Command wing commander, alleges today that "McCain says his life changed while he was in Vietnam, and he is now a different man. But he's still the undisciplined, spoiled brat that he was when he went in."
It's worth noting that ONLY one American POW has been honored by a statue in Hanoi. That person is Senator McCain.
Finally, if you're an undecided voter, learn about Songbird and his treasonous POW record by clicking on: Vote Against McCain (one of the HOTTEST anti-McCain sites on the Web)
Other websites freedom-loving Americans should visit, especially veterans like myself, are:
How McCain Betrayed His Fellow Vets
Iraq Vets Against the War
U.S. Veterans Dispatch
Vietnam Vets Against John McCain
Veterans Voice
Vote Veterans
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» You're the guy spreading lies, Karl.Ben. What's your problem, anyway?
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» Too funny Hugh Scott.......
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» RE: Difference #11: Barack Obama is a decent and honorable man. John McCain is not.
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» Dear Karl.Ben. Scoll down for my retort to your reckless Hackworth smear comment.
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Nihilo Zero
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» RE: I don't want to be responsible for what either do.
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» Nader is a big fake and a worthless a$$
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Posted by: centure7 on Oct 17, 2008 2:12 AM
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Then Alternet puts the abortion issue as #2, as if a most important pressing issue American's were facing is federal abortion legislation. Abortion is about the 30th most important facing America, if that. I think the fact that the #2 difference between McCain and Obama is their abortion position should be terrifying to people, as it shows their are almost no significant differences.
Then Alternet decides that Obama's position on expanding voting rights is some kind of difference. No, its trivial, and irrelevant. Now, there is actually one group of people who are systematically denied votes where the constitution does not seem to mention they should be denied voting rights. Nowhere in the constitution does it say being denied voting is a standard part of being convicted and going to prison. Yet Obama, who practically hates our beloved constitution though he damned well taught a class on it, has no intention to expanding voting rights to everyone who is constitutionally assured voting rights. The trivial number of additional voters by getting more poor voters registered would vote just as stupidly as the rich do any way, so it hardly starts to solve any problem I'm aware of.
The bottom line is McCain and Obama *love* big federal government programs that almost by definition flush ungodly sums of wealth down the toilet. That said, many of us could be homeless if Obama or McCain are successful in their outrageously mentally insane plans to cut taxes while raising government spending for yet another four years, so maybe this is more important than I think.
As for wanting the federal government to expand their effect on local health care, that is an absolutely insane idea. Such an overbearing, cumbersome, troll-like organization with a 20% or less approval rating has no business touching it. The feds are way over their line as it is, and are getting out of control. If health care needs regulations the states are absolutely perfectly equipped to handle that without the snakes in Washington contaminating it.
Clearly Alternet needs to write an article entitled "the biggest 10 non-differences between Obama and McCain".
Here are possible ideas for the title:
1. They both have no intention to pay down the federal debt, whatsoever, making them both brain-dead retards bent on driving the US to bankruptcy.
2. Without even having to check, I'm entirely sure they supported the $700B government check to rich bankers.
3. They both voted for the "patriot" ACT, so they are complete traitors who don't even deserve to live in America.
4. They both love big-ass bloated federal programs.
5. They both have no intention of reducing the 7,000,000 plus words worth of tax rules.
6. They both consistently lie.
7. They both will have at least some troops remaining in Iraq by the end of their term, meaning they are total liars when they act as if they ever want to withdraw from Iraq.
8. They both have no intention of withdrawing any troops at all from the over *****100**** countries we are in besides Iraq.
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Posted by: CosmoViking on Oct 17, 2008 3:22 AM
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How do you account for this and how do you intend change it? Feel free to include a self-critical analysis on the historical incompetence of politicians and their use of military force.
At present the United States and its' corporate and profit dictated foreign policy is the most universally loathed on the Planet, despite the exellent relationship between most American citizens and frequent visitors such as myself. How do you feel about that and how do you intend to change it?
David Rockefeller has stated that the world would be much better off under a corporate one world governemt without nations. How do you feel about unwarranted influence from the Council on Foreign Relations, the Bilderberg Group and the Trilatral Commission; their outspoken disdain for the population at large and their central banking/wafare profit model? HOw do you intend to change it?
IN the many years since 1976 NASA has maintained - despite protests from astronomers all over the world - that Mars is a red, lifeless world with a red sky that is bone dry. Now that they have lost control of the data coming from various probes on and around Mars and it has been demonstrated that the critics were right: Mars is orange-brown like Arizona or Australia, has a pale blue sky (yes, you better have another look at Total Rekall and other Philip Dick stories) and is fairly pleasant around the equator with plenty of water in the soil. How do you feel about this and how do you intend reign in these scientific lies and why they are being perpetuated?
The military control of space is a reality today and has been for 50 years. Nothing has come of it except secrecy, billions and billions spent on surviellance technology, a secret space program behind the scenes and space based weapons. How do you intend to open up space and all secrecy attached to it?
Peace,
Tesla Forever.
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Posted by: newsound on Oct 17, 2008 5:54 AM
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Those who truly dislike Obama (racists, extremists, homophobes, stupid southerners, Republicans, etc.) will spend every waking minute trying to bring him down. The videos from McCain rallies are proof of that.
If McCain wins:
Just read the differences above and imagine the way things are now . . only worse. McCain's administration will have to close the borders, not for people coming in, but people wanting to leave.
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» RE: It's gonna be ugly - they will close the borders to people wanting to leave.
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» RE: It's gonna be ugly either way . . .
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» RE: It's gonna be ugly either way . . . voter vs election fraud
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Posted by: RedFoxOne on Oct 17, 2008 6:24 AM
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Jiff
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Posted by: Illiteratilumen on Oct 17, 2008 6:36 AM
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Voting for Obama or McCain means that YOU, the individual citizen, are voting in favor of more foreign wars. It means that YOU, the individual citizen, are voting to endorse their reprehensible actions on the financial crisis. It means that YOU, the individual citizen, are voting in favor of being spied on and detained without charges. It means that YOU, the individual citizen, are voting in favor of surrenduring control of our nation to international bankers and corporations.
Obama has this thing wrapped up. He will win the election in November. Don't waste your vote by voting with the forces of old and evil. This time why don't you try embracing the quaint notion of voting for a good candidate instead of a Democrat or Republican?
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» simplistic
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Posted by: X-POLYGAMIST WIFE on Oct 17, 2008 6:37 AM
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ABSOLUTELY NOT.
Arizona Senator Linda Binder talks about John McCain who wouldn't even return her calls when she asked for help.
While thousands of innocent Americans were forced into white slavery and young girls were raped by FLDS pedophiles, John McCain stood idly by.
Watch the video:
http://www.bankingonheaven.com/
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Posted by: IndispensiBill on Oct 17, 2008 6:48 AM
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And if we follow the money, we see that they are beholden to the same interests. All the rest is just smoke and mirrors to make us think we really have a choice.
Bill McLaughlin
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EM58nqX1ehE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VN_pGy_1bEg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bD0iAQN7VPY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpfHz_WeXHw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QH9BtZwTyHo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWVGsuNecYg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UssvnQMn-EM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdfvQmh3b90
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03Enn5yiY-0
Go to youtube and do a search for "thinkverybig" and watch all of those videos. The one called "We Must Change" would be fitting to recite at Obama's Inauguration.
Here's a community organizer that's reached out to over 20,000 youth and has a goal of touching a million by teaching them the game of life using the game of chess. Click below to watch video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLFENGymr34
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Well, you failed again. Why not just become a straight up shill?
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Posted by: second party patriot on Oct 17, 2008 7:11 AM
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ok, so, you've shown us the differences between the corporate candidates. will part two discuss the differences between barr, mckinney and the true american hero, mr nader?
and why not? democracy- so 20th century.
alternet: clown puppets of the HOMELAND.
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» Even McCain doesn't agree with that
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There is one party in America: The Business party, with two factions of Republican and Democrat to make people feel like they have a choice.
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» RE: Hogwash. We all noticed the difference between Clinton and Bush.
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Posted by: Spiritgirl on Oct 17, 2008 7:53 AM
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This nation put it's collective eggs in the basket of G.W. Bush and his cronies, the now corporate controlled media did not fulfill it's due diligence to the public; the American public was never informed of the rotten way that he ran Texas nor were they informed about the corporations that he ran into the ground! After 7+ years under a spoiled, incompetent Imperial Presidency, I think this nation can and should take a chance on an unknown that just might be able to lead us back to the right track!
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Posted by: websmith on Oct 17, 2008 8:19 AM
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If you tax business, business raises prices to cover the tax and we pay the taxes. No matter which one of these guys is elected, we will pay.
Legislators and the banks have conspired to rip the wealth from the population. They shipped our jobs offshore, brought in millions of cheap foreign workers with H-1B visas and refused to protect us from an invasion of millions of illegal aliens. They have regulated energy to the point where up to $700 billion of our money is being sent out of the country to foreign oil producers every year and gotten us involved in an illegal war that serves only to give our money to the military industrial complex. They have allowed banks to take our money with loan shark type lending practices. They have legislated taxes, licenses and fines to the point where every single thing we do is now taxed.
There is no one left to sell products and services to.
It's time to make a change. http://ewebsmith.com/self/StandUp.html
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» If they were the same, the Bush years would not have mattered and Repub and Dem crowds at rallies
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1. Who They Want to Tax
Question: What law gives the President the authority to Tax?
3. How They View Democracy
Comment: If we were a Democracy, President Gore would be finishing his second term.
4. How They Want to Change the Health Care System
Question: What law gives the President the authority to decide Health Care issues?, and when was the last time they stayed home with a sick child?
5. Their Plans for Iraq
Question: When did Iraq become the 51st State?
6. Their Views on Energy
Question: Any of these candidates Engineers?
7. How They Treat Our Vets
Question: How will they treat vets that refuse to enforce the police state?
8. What They Think America's Young People Should Know About Sex
Question: Are these guys proposing a War on Sex?
9. Internet Access
Question: Can either of these candidates restart a modem?
10. Their Views on the Global Market
Question: When was the last time these candidates went to a supermarket, or pumped gas?
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Posted by: NoMcCainPalin on Oct 17, 2008 9:10 AM
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Three crashes early in his career led Navy officials to question or fault his judgment.
By Ralph Vartabedian and Richard A. Serrano, Los Angeles Times Staff Writers
October 6, 2008
John McCain was training in his AD-6 Skyraider on an overcast Texas morning in 1960 when he slammed into Corpus Christi Bay and sheared the skin off his plane's wings.
McCain recounted the accident decades later in his autobiography. "The engine quit while I was practicing landings," he wrote. But an investigation board at the Naval Aviation Safety Center found no evidence of engine failure.
The 23-year-old junior lieutenant wasn't paying attention and erred in using "a power setting too low to maintain level flight in a turn," investigators concluded.
The crash was one of three early in McCain's aviation career in which his flying skills and judgment were faulted or questioned by Navy officials.
In his most serious lapse, McCain was "clowning" around in a Skyraider over southern Spain about December 1961 and flew into electrical wires, causing a blackout, according to McCain's own account as well as those of naval officers and enlistees aboard the carrier Intrepid. In another incident, in 1965, McCain crashed a T-2 trainer jet in Virginia.
As a presidential candidate, McCain has cited his military service -- particularly his 5 1/2 years as a POW. But he has been less forthcoming about his mistakes in the cockpit.
The Times interviewed men who served with McCain and located once-confidential 1960s-era accident reports and formerly classified evaluations of his squadrons during the Vietnam War. This examination of his record revealed a pilot who early in his career was cocky, occasionally cavalier and prone to testing limits.
"Three mishaps are unusual," said Michael L. Barr, a former Air Force pilot with 137 combat missions in Vietnam and an internationally known aviation safety expert who teaches in USC's Aviation Safety and Security Program. "After the third accident, you would say: Is there a trend here in terms of his flying skills and his judgment?"
Naval aviation experts say the three accidents before McCain's deployment to Vietnam probably triggered a review to determine whether he should be allowed to continue flying. The results of the review would have been confidential.
The Times asked McCain's campaign to release any military personnel records in the candidate's possession showing how the Navy handled the three incidents. The campaign said it would have no comment.
End of L.A Times extract.
As a Vietnam veteran and former military pilot who flies single engine Cessnas, I wouldn't let McCain preflight my plane, much less get behind the controls.
Finally, if you're an undecided voter, learn the truth about Unfit McCain and his treasonous POW record by clicking on: Vote Against McCain (one of the HOTTEST anti-McCain sites on the Web)
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» Karl.Ben, please scroll down for my retort to your baseless Col. Hackworth smear.
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» I don't fly any more so here's my take about cars. I wouldn't let Loose Cannon McCain change my oil
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Posted by: AsteroidMiner on Oct 17, 2008 9:12 AM
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Gwyneth Cravens, 2007 Finally a truthful book about nuclear
power. Gwyneth Cravens is a former anti-nuclear activist.
Page 249: "The manufacture of photovoltaic panels requires highly
toxic heavy metals, gasses, and solvents that are carcinogenic. ........
If a residential fire burns a solar panel, people would be at risk for
exposure to toxic vapors and smoke, ... . If modules are dumped
into municipal landfills, then heavy metals such as arsenic and lead
can leach into the soil and water table. Hundreds of thousands of
years from now, some of those substances will still not have
decayed: their life spans are essentially eternal."
Page 250: "Solar farms big enough to supply 1,000 megawatts per
year [sic] or more would cover over fifty square miles and produce
a quantity of toxic waste that would be significant."
"For the 70 to 80 percent of the time when nature isn't cooperating
[with your solar power scheme], you need the grid or a fossil-fuel
generator."
Page 251: Solar power requires cutting down trees to keep the
trees from shading your solar panels.
"Wind tends to fail during heat waves. ... Wind power turned out
to be highly unreliable, with capacity plunging from its usual 33
percent to 4 percent during the time of peak demand."
Page 257: World CO2 emissions from electricity generation come
to 9,500 million metric tons a year. Using a small footprint,
hundreds of nuclear plants in more than thirty countries cut carbon
emissions by 600 million metric tons every year."
Page 269: "[E]very day the collective households and industries of
America throw away nearly a million tons of garbage containing
toxic heavy metals and dangerous chemicals, as well as plastics that
will never break down. That garbage will be our culture's real
legacy, enduring for millions of years after all the present nuclear
waste has decayed."
Page 290: There is a mistake: She says that the Waste Isolation
Pilot Plant in New Mexico is the only nuclear waste repository in
operation. France has one.
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Posted by: jeffrey7 on Oct 17, 2008 9:30 AM
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1. Obama uses five sheets of toilet paper,McCain uses five $100 bills.
2.Obama plays a drum made from his Father's goat skin, McCain has old goat skin.
3.Obama hangs it to the left, McCain hangs it to the right but fidgits with his balls alot.
4.Obama will spray on you if you're in the next urinal,McCain will shit himself if you shake his hand to hard.
5.Obama's a Hanes man, McCain wears Victoria Secret.
6. Obama can eat a whole turkey in one sitting,McCain can get a turkey enema in a hour.
7.Obama won't change a diaper,McCain needs a diaper.
8.Obama has a mole shaped like Lincoln,McCain has a boil that looks like Bush.
9.Obama has'nt changed his lucky underwear in 20 months,McCain has'nt worn underaear for 20 years
10.Obama has his ass-hair cornrowed,McCain has his ass-hair transplanted to his head.
Are'nt you glad they did'nt really give full disclosure of the candidates now.
Jeffrey7
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Cravens, 2007 Finally a truthful book about nuclear power. Gwyneth Cravens
is a former anti-nuclear activist.
Page 13 has a chart of greenhouse gas emissions from electricity production.
Nuclear power produces less greenhouse gas [CO2] than any other source,
including coal, natural gas, hydro, solar and wind. Building wind turbines and
towers also involve industrial processes such as concrete and steel making.
Nuclear power plants produce a total of 30 grams of CO2 per kilowatt hour, the
lowest. This is the full life cycle CO2 output. There are no hidden CO2 outputs.
Wind turbines produce a total of 58 grams of CO2 per kilowatt hour.
Solar power produces between 100 and 280 grams of CO2 per kilowatt hour.
Hydro power produces 240 grams of CO2 per kilowatt hour.
Natural gas produces between 439 and 688 grams of CO2 per kilowatt hour.
Coal plants produce the most, between 966 and 1306 grams of CO2 per kilowatt
hour, the highest.
Remember the total is the sum of direct emissions from burning fuel and indirect
emissions from the life cycle, which means the industrial processes required to
build it. Again, nuclear comes in the lowest. Nuclear would produce even less
CO2 per kilowatt hour if the safety were lowered to the same level as other
sources of electricity. Switching from coal to nuclear is a 97% reduction in
electricity's 40% of our CO2 output. The refereed scenarios from the IPCC
failed to hold the CO2 down to 450 parts per million. You can't without building
something like 10,000 new nuclear power plants world wide to replace every coal
fired power plant on the planet. The 10,000 includes replacing all Generation 1
[Chernobyl style] power plants with safe American Generation 4 technology.
Let's get it done.
Page 211: In 2005, the production cost of electricity from:
nuclear power on average cost 1.72 cents per kilowatt-hour 1.00 times nuclear's
price. This is the full and total price. There are no hidden costs. There are no subsidies. There are no tricks. 1.72 cents per kilowatt-hour is all of it.
from coal-fired plants 2.21 cents per kilowatt-hour 1.28 times nuclear's price
from natural gas 7.5 cents per kilowatt-hour 4.36 times nuclear's price
from oil 8.09 cents per kilowatt-hour 4.7 times nuclear's price
Wind fits in here.
solar in a sunny place 22 to 40 cents per kilowatt-hour 12.79 to 23.26 times
nuclear's price
American nuclear power reactors operated in 2005 around the clock
at about 90 percent capacity
geothermal plants operated at 75 percent capacity
coal-fired plants operated at about 73 percent capacity
hydroelectric plants at 29 percent capacity
natural gas from 16 to 38 percent capacity
wind at 27 percent capacity
solar at 19 percent capacity
[Batteries not included but required for wind and solar. Why did wind and solar
operate so far below capacity? Simple: Wind power never works when the
wind isn't blowing. Solar only works at maximum during the noon hour. Wave
power only works when the waves are the right height and the generator hasn't
been washed away in a storm.]
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Posted by: Bliss Doubt on Oct 17, 2008 9:38 AM
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Energy" by Gwyneth Cravens, 2007 Finally a truthful book about
nuclear power. Gwyneth Cravens is a former anti-nuclear activist.
Page 35: Your golf clubs may contain depleted uranium [DU].
Don't worry, and don't confuse DU with spent fuel. DU is what is
removed from the uranium to make it enriched in U235. DU is
pure U238. U238 has such a long half life that it is almost not
radioactive. DU is safe to handle, but don't eat it because it is a
chemical poison. Heavy metals in general are poisons, radioactive
or not. DU has other uses that depend on its high density.
Page 70: Natural background radiation where the author happens
to be at the time is higher than what people living at Chernobyl are
getting. The US national average background radiation is 360
millirems/year.
Page 71: The natural background radiation in northeastern
Washington state is 1700 millirem/year.
The natural background radiation on the Zuni uplift is 500 to 700
millirem/year.
The natural background radiation in New Mexico is greater than the
calculated dose from the Three Mile Island meltdown, if you were
next to the reactor.
A chest x-ray gives you 10 millirem.
Page 72: The natural background radiation inside Grand Central
Station is 600 millirem/year because Grand Central Station is made
of granite. [ALL rocks are radioactive.]
The allowed exposure to the public from a nuclear power plant is
15 millirem/year.
A set of dental X-rays gives you 39 millirem.
Page 74: Smoking a pack and a half of cigarettes a day gives your
bronchial airways 1300 millirems/year according to the NCRP or
8000 millirems/year according to the National Academy of
Sciences.
Page 76: The cancer rate in New Mexico is much lower than the
national average but the natural background radiation is much
higher than average. The highest rates of cancer are around heavy
industry, chemical factories and petrochemical factories. [Benzene,
a petroleum distillate, is a very powerful carcinogen.]
Page 77: Natural gas contains radon, a radioactive gas.
Page 86: Among 80000 nuclear bomb survivors from Hiroshima
and Nagasaki, the cancer rate was only 6% higher than expected.
Radiation is very weak at causing cancer.
Page 90: At Chernobyl, only 13 to 30% of the reactor's 190 metric
tons of fuel evaporated. .13X190=24.7 tons.
.3X190=57 tons. [Much lower than the previous estimate of 200
tons, and trivial compared to what coal fired power plants give
you.]
Page 98: There is a table of millirems per year from the
background in a list of inhabited places. Here are some of them.
Chernobyl: 490 millirem/year
Guarapari, Brazil: 3700 millirem/year
Tamil Nadu, India: 5300 millirem/year
Ramsar, Iran: 8900 to 13200 millirem/year
Zero excess cancer deaths are recorded. All of the above readings
are natural except for Chernobyl.
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» Where WILL the $14 billion per plant come from?
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Posted by: opmoc on Oct 17, 2008 9:47 AM
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The United States of America
I am English and a Capitalist
But I believe in Fair Play
What I became aware of wasn't Fair Play
It was completely outrageous
So why exactly are American "Capitalists" trying to destroy the most basic fundamentals of Capitalism?
Capital is for investment in People - Companies - To Produce Useful Products and Services
But it was as if The Communists had taken over the most Powerful Financial Institutions in America and They Became Hell Bent at Bringing Down Every Company They Could By Starving them of Capital and Shorting them to hell
It's as if they had managed to take control of all the Fresh Water Supply - but on a near Global Basis
And Refused Water to all but their Friends
And Set Fire To Everyone Else
America needs to get its house in order.
This simply is not good enough
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» Yes, I call it corporate communism.
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» Marx called it "conservative or bourgeois socialism"
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Posted by: cori on Oct 17, 2008 10:17 AM
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- Republican Secretaries of State of swing-state Colorado have quietly purged one in six names from their voter rolls.
While Obama dreams of riding to the White House on a wave of new voters, more then 2.7 million have had their registrations REJECTED under new procedures signed into law by George Bush.
A fired US prosecutor levels new charges -
accusing leaders of his own party, Republicans, with criminal acts in an attempt to block legal voters as "fraudulent."
Republican operatives - the party's elite commandos of bare-knuckle politics," report Kennedy and Palast, under the cover of fighting fraudulent voting, are "systematically disenfranchis[ing] Democrats."
Rule 1 don't send in your ballot
2 Be sure to register
3 VOTE AS EARLY AS YOU CAN
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Posted by: rcarr on Oct 17, 2008 10:26 AM
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However, Senator Obama was elected for the first time to the US Senate 10 years after Justice Breyer was confirmed. He didn't vote to confirm the Associate Justice.
Also during the debate Senator McCain referred at least twice to Sarah Palin's experience with "autism." Again he was confused. She has a child with Down's Syndrome.
While these could be considered minor gaffs, his confusion about facts, misrepresentations of his opponent's policies, his dismissal of women's rights, his reinterpretation of his military and POW record, and his disrespectful responses to Senator Obama's comments all add up to being one of the worst candidates to represent the US in international politics.
So. the 11th difference is how they would represent the US in negotiations with foreign powers. Senator Obama would be respectful, accurate, determined, calm, and cooperative. Senator McCain would be hot-headed, off-the-cuff, dismissive, and unconcerned about facts.
If we are going to restore our reputation abroad and reinstitute respect and regard for the US as a way to prevent military intervention, the Senator Obama is really the ONLY alternative.
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Posted by: QQOblivion on Oct 17, 2008 10:28 AM
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500.
But in that state, 500,000(!) people voted for Nader, a THOUSAND TIMES the votes that were needed to have completely avoided the last 8 years!
You like the things the way they are now? You want things to get MUCH WORSE!? Then vote for your third party candidates and help McCain win.
Because if McCain wins, I swear we will have full-scale NUCLEAR WAR within half a year of he and Sarah taking office.
Do you want to be responsible for that!? You will be if you don't face facts and thus hold your nose in the voting booth.
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Posted by: AsteroidMiner on Oct 17, 2008 10:56 AM
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should not be wasted. We don't recycle nuclear fuel because
spent fuel is valuable and people steal it. The place it went that it
wasn't supposed to go to is Israel. This happened in a small town
near Pittsburgh, PA circa 1970. A company called Numec was in
the business of reprocessing nuclear fuel. I almost took a job
there, designing a nuclear battery for a heart pacemaker. [The
army offered me more money to work on nuclear weapons
effects.] [A nuclear battery would have the advantage of lasting
many times as long as any other battery, eliminating many
surgeries to replace batteries.] Numec did NOT have a reactor.
Numec "lost" a quantity of reactor grade uranium. It wound up in
Israel. The Israelis have fueled both their nuclear power plants
and their nuclear weapons by stealing nuclear "waste." See:
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/
x/pittsburghtrib/news/specialreport
s/buriedlegacy/s_87948.html
It could work for any other country, such as Iran or the United
States. It is only when you don't have access to nuclear "waste"
that you have to do the difficult process of enriching uranium,
unless you have a Canadian "CANDU" reactor or a British
Magnox reactor, both of which run on unenriched uranium.
Numec is no longer in business. The reprocessing of nuclear fuel
in the US stopped. That was the only politically possible solution
at that time, given that private corporations did the reprocessing.
My solution would be to reprocess the fuel at a Government
Owned Government Operated [GOGO] facility. At a GOGO
plant, bureaucracy and the multiplicity of ethnicity and religion
would disable the transportation of uranium to Israel or to any
unauthorized place. Nothing heavier than a secret would get out.
I have no financial stake in the nuclear power industry, and I
never have. Nobody is paying me to say this.
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Posted by: opmoc on Oct 17, 2008 11:00 AM
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Made down in a dead man's town
The first kick I took was when I hit the ground
You end up like a dog that's been beat too much
'Til you spend half your life just covering up
[chorus:]
Made in the U.S.A.
Made in the U.S.A.
Made in the U.S.A.
Made in the U.S.A.
I got in a little hometown jam
And so they put a rifle in my hands
Sent me off to Vietnam
To go and kill the yellow man
[chorus]
Come back home to the refinery
Hiring man says "Son if it was up to me"
I go down to see the V.A. man
He said "Son don't you understand"
[chorus]
I had a buddy at Khe Sahn
Fighting off the Viet Cong
They're still there, he's all gone
He had a little girl in Saigon
I got a picture of him in her arms
Down in the shadow of the penitentiary
Out by the gas fires of the refinery
I'm ten years down the road
Nowhere to run, ain't got nowhere to go
I'm a long gone Daddy in the U.S.A.
Made in the U.S.A.
I'm a cool rocking Daddy in the U.S.A.
Made in the U.S.A.
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Posted by: LeeAnnG on Oct 17, 2008 11:05 AM
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Yes, Obama and McCain have similar agendas, but similar does not mean identical. In order to determine how different the two branches of the corporate party (Democratic branch and Republican branch), one only needs to imagine this country if Gore had been allowed to govern after he was elected instead of having Bush appointed to the presidency.
We would probably not be in Iraq. In fact, it's entirely possible that 9/11 would never have happened. The Clinton Adminstration was very concerned with al Qaida and the threat of terrorism, and tried to tell Bush and his cabal about it when they left office. Reactions of the warnings were to completely ignore the subject, demote Richard Clarke's position to lesser importance (and keep him out of meetings), and change the focus to Iraq - even before the attacks on the US. I don't believe for a minute that Gore would have ignored a daily brief concerning Osama's determination to attack the US including references to jet planes.
Taxes for the wealthiest Americans are not likely to have been cut, at least not to the degree they have. Yes, the Republicans were in charge of the legislature, but a Democratic president could have vetoed the worst legislation.
Environmental laws and restrictions would not be systematically stripped on an almost daily basis. Gore is, at the very least, an enthusiastic environmentalist.
The extreme secrecy and executive privilege of the presidency would never have happened. Same thing with Cheney's sneaky energy councils.
We'd still have strong allies throughout the world, and the US would not almost universally be seen as the greatest threat to peace, even more than Middle Eastern terrorists. Torture would not be associated with the US government and military.
And speaking of the military, it would very likely not be so diminished it has to recruit high school drop-outs and ex-criminals to keep numbers up.
These are just highlights. Anyone can go back through the last 8 years, find atrocities, secrecy, arrogance, foolishness, systemic suppression of civil rights, and a multitude of other issues that would be quite different under a Gore or even Kerry presidency.
A wise woman I know once told me that it's fruitless to look for a perfect man, and even if you could find one, he'd be looking for a perfect woman. By the same token, it's fruitless to look for a perfect candidate. Even if you could find one, he or she would have to serve an imperfect electorate.
In politics, as in marriage, it may be necessary to ask ourselves, "Is this something that's not perfect that we can still live with?"
With McCain, the answer is a definite, unmitigated "NO," while with Obama, the answer is at least, "Perhaps."
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Posted by: ReallyBearish on Oct 17, 2008 11:19 AM
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Answer: probably both. JP Morgan is now "managing" commodities futures to keep the price of commodities down, least they reveal runaway inflation. I have some bad news for anyone who thinks this strategy is sustainable. There is ultimately a market that sets prices. An explosion to the upside is going to crush what's left of our economy. Pickens is one person that knows the oil business inside out, and he says oil is going bakc to 150 dollars a barrel. Let's see how JP Morgan handles that!
By the way, I'm voting for Obama, but I don't hold out much hope.
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Posted by: IPF on Oct 17, 2008 11:46 AM
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Body count. In the last six months 292 killed (murdered) in Chicago, 221 killed in Iraq.
Sens. Barack Obama & Dick Durbin,
Rep. Jesse Jackson Jr.,
Gov. Rod Blogojevich,
House Leader Mike Madigan,
Atty. Gen. Lisa Madigan (daughter of Mike),
Mayor Richard M. Daley (son of former Mayor Richard J. Daley).....the leadership in Illinois.....all Democrats.
Chicago is a combat zone. Of course they're all blaming each other.
Can't blame Republicans, there aren't any!
State pension fund $ 44 Billion in debt, worst in country. Cook County (Chicago) sales tax 10.25% highest in country. (Look'em up if you want). Chicago school system one of the worst in country. This is the political culture that Obama comes from in Illinois .
Obama's gonna 'fix' Washington politics? Not.
Vote McCain/Palin
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» RE: The Biggest difference is change... THE 221 Killed in Iraq should never have been there at all!!
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» RE: The Biggest difference is change...HOW DARE YOU COMPARE IRAQ LOST LIVES TO MURDER IN OUR STREETS
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» If you weren't in Iraq, please shut up
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» RE: If you WERE in Iraq, please shut up
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Posted by: ABetterFuture on Oct 17, 2008 11:46 AM
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In fact, one of the more prosperous recent times in our nation's history was when Congress and the President were dead set against each other, and there was very little pie-in-the-sky shenanigans going on that we see when Congress always says yes to the President and the President never (well, hardly ever) waves the veto pen. Anyone remember how great things were for the average citizen when threats of "government shutdowns" every quarter had both Clinton and Newt digging in their feet and wearing their pigheadnedness on certain issues on their sleeves.
Lockdown and bureaucratic gridlock, baby. Weren't those the good old days? So, Obama, you're the likely winner. I relieve you of your crusade (I know it's a lot of pressure) to fix my wee red wagon on a daily basis, if you promise to just not do stupid, lethal, or outright illegal things like your predecessor.
.................
But, unfortunately, we're likely to see more of the same things you get when you have a President working in near lock-step with Congress along majority party lines. The republicans had their (awful) grand everything-we-want experiment, now we get to see how badly the democratic everything-we-want experiments will go. At least if Obama makes good on his promise to withdraw from Iraq, that will be a start...provide we don't invade Pakistan in force. As for the rest of the damn pendulum ("duh economy"--an overly broad simplification that I'm honestly just tired of hearing about,Afghanistan, trade, jobs, making social security and medicare solvent or finding real alternatives...), my only advice is to watch for it and know when to duck.
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Posted by: stopthemaddness2 on Oct 17, 2008 12:10 PM
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No we can't, it is unthinkable!
There is no choice but to choose
OBAMA 08!
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Posted by: opmoc on Oct 17, 2008 12:13 PM
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Neel
Hey Neel - If I had been in the audience
Despite You Are a Lovely Looking Boy
I would have asked you a simple question from the front
You see I am rather old and have been going to school all my life
Sure sometimes I looked rather old sat at the front of the class with 50 kids behind me and maybe I was there because I am a bit short sighted and I like to see all the details of the slides and presentations
And if I didn't understand something
I would not be afraid to ask a question - and sometimes people would laugh at me for not understanding something so obvious
And so the question would be answered
But still I didn't understand the reply
And The Bright Boys were looking at me as if I was Really THICK
And so I would ask another question
And I would actually have a discussion with the Lecturer
And at lunch time the kids would join me at the table I was sat with my lunch
And say thanks - I didn't understand either - and as a result of your questions I think I nearly understand it - hell I didn't understand at all - until you started asking questions
Now look at Neel Kaskari's Lecture
Does Anyone Understand?
You want me to provide a link as well?
Its on CSPAN
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Posted by: DaBear on Oct 17, 2008 2:32 PM
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Sometimes I wonder if Alternet's staff is sipping the koolaid on the side or something. Other than Josh, most of the writers and editors seem to just blank out and totally space on key points when it really fuckin' counts. I'm getting tired of having to watchdog the good guys.
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» It is crap. Write Obama and tell him so.
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Posted by: DaBear on Oct 17, 2008 2:58 PM
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YOU give us a contract, with consideration, signed, notarized by your guy Obama, expressly stating that:
a) Obama and your party will immediately prosecute Bush & Co. for criminal and civil liability, etc. and the US will immediately join the World Criminal Court,
b) enact every feature of the progressive agenda we've all bitched about for the past 20 years (back when you all still were waffling on global warming), as you all insist he "might if we push him hard enough," and,
c) if he fails to do either or both of a and b,
you will: recall Obama/Biden and allow our candidates to run for the vacated seat, give us a federalized national Presidential electoral situation using only the IRV process and eliminate the electoral college,
and WE will give our vote to Obama/Biden on Nov. 4.
Like I said, I dunno if I can get the thirds together on this, but if you show us such a document, we can try.
I won't hold my breath.
If you can't do that, then just STFU about Nader, 2000, Florida, etc. and enjoy the ride your guy has earned for himself.
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» Oh, so YOU want a signed contract?
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Posted by: thinkverybig on Oct 17, 2008 3:11 PM
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I would like to encourage all of you to visit www.zeitgeistmovement.com and share this concept with everyone you know. We have to change the way we as a society do things and I can feel the since of change in the air!
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Posted by: ProudVietnamVet on Oct 17, 2008 3:29 PM
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Responding to a comment by NoMcCainPalin, Karl.Ben alleged the following:
"He [Hackworth] wore medals he did not earn and seems to have a history of unbalanced behavior. There is nothing credible about him."
Regarding NoMcCainPalin's retort that Hackworth had been "exonerated of all accusations that he didn't earn his medals," Karl.Ben said that wasn't true and accused NoMcCainPalin of spreading lies.
Previously I have been an AlterNet reader but not a commentator. Because of Karl.Ben's unfounded and malicious attack against MY hero, Col. Hackworth, I have decided to participate in veteran-related AlterNet conversations, starting with the following defense of "Hack":
Before his death from cancer in 2005, CNN and the CBS evening news with Dan Rather questioned the accuracy of Hackworth's own military decorations.
In particular, the reports accused Hackworth of claiming a Ranger tab to which he was not entitled and an extra Distinguished Flying Cross on his website.
Hackworth threatened to sue CBS and requested a formal audit of his military records. In response to the military audit, the Executive Producer of CBS News sent a letter to Hackworth that stated:
"The Army's audit of its records has determined that the Army made an administrative error back in 1988, when it reissued your medals and awards."
"Along with numerous other decorations, the Army mistakenly issued you a Ranger Tab and two Oak Leaf Clusters for your Distinguished Flying Cross. The Army has thus verified what we reported as your explanation of the matter."
"As far as we are concerned, the Army audit makes clear that you [Hackworth] did not at any time wear or claim any military honor not actually issued by the U.S. Army, based on its official records, including the service record you signed and dated."
"At the same time, CBS continues to believe that our reports did not state or imply that you knowingly wore or claimed decorations not issued by the U.S. Army and that any such inference drawn from the reports would be mistaken."
"Indeed, as we believe we made clear in our reports, by all accounts you are a man who has shown extraordinary heroism in your service to our country, and has deservedly been awarded many of the nation's most coveted awards for valor."
Karl.Ben should be ashamed of himself for smearing a deceased war hero. Hopefully, AlterNet readers will ignore any criticism he has of Col.Hackworth.
Attention NoMcCainPalin: Please email me so I can help you expose Songbird McCain as the traitor he is. My address is: WAL737Captain@aol.com
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» So what say you, Karl.Ben? No response. That figures.
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» Obviously Karl.Ben never served. Talk about a total jerk.
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Posted by: opmoc on Oct 17, 2008 4:14 PM
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For the last 5 Years
He Did The First 2 For Free
American Kids Just sent him money - To Get their Server Up and Running at The Fastest Data Centre In The World
He has started charging since
But Thanks All His American Friends For all Their Help and Money To Get Him Started
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Posted by: boing007 on Oct 17, 2008 5:46 PM
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Posted by: artifax on Oct 17, 2008 8:26 PM
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When he backs off his promises in order to kiss his big donors' butts (notice he no longer says the cash all came from us little guys?), how do we force him to do what WE need?
We'd better have those strategies ready, because I doubt he could do otherwise even if he wanted to. How hard would it be for ticked off elites to find a fall guy "lone nut" on whom to blame an assassination of the first black president? Easier than in and presidential killings before, of course.
Yes, I prefer him to McCain for his potential, but he is still the biggest sellout candidate in history. So let's not deify him. Let's be ready for disappointment but also to shift gears to pressuring him our way. And let's hope the Big Money sees he has no other choice and keeps him around.
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Posted by: tony2008 on Oct 17, 2008 11:01 PM
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http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=78309
This is the type of lie that is not easy to disprove because it verges on a seemingly truth based on visible facts (a video). However, the devil is in the details, and we need to be more emphatic in highlighting the fact that details do matter. Gadhafi was referring to Barack's father in his quote: "There are elections in America now. Along came a black citizen of Kenyan African origins, a Muslim, who had studied in an Islamic school in Indonesia. His name is Obama." As we all know, Barack was born and raised in the US, by a black father from Kenya and a white American mother. He attended Harvard University and served in the US Senate after taking oath on a Bible. Why did it take them so long to raise these idiotic questions, based on deceptive quotes taken out of context and shamelessly misrepresented? We need to fight these smears and dispel all the lies. I see some inaction on this front by the Obama campaign. Can anyone inform them of the huge misinformation campaign Mccain is conducting to steal another election? And this is just one issue, there is the Ayers, Accorn and other issues that are being distorted by the republicans left and right.
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Posted by: MEL810 on Oct 17, 2008 11:00 PM
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McCain is a Child of an Alcoholic and more than likely has Post Traumatic Stress Disorder stemming from the war and I feel these unresolved issues may fuel his problem.
When he was debating Obama, he resorted to low shots and smirked like a self-important frat boy. His smirk out did Shrub's. Shrub's smirk is just silly, McCain's looks angry.
He has the bad judgment to put a twit like Sarah Palin as his potential second-in-command.
No matter what else you may think of Obama,he is level-headed.
Casting third party votes may assuage some consciences, but if it helps hot-head McCain and incompetent zealot Palin get nearer the red-button, then that vote is dangerous.
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Posted by: whealeydj on Oct 18, 2008 4:13 AM
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Posted by: salt-of-the-earth on Oct 18, 2008 2:39 PM
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I can't wait to get taxed for breathing. Obama has said he intends, upon his election, to order Interior to immediately declare carbon dioxide a terrible toxic poison.
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» Why don't you start breathing carbon instead of oxygen?
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» Because I'm not a plant. If I were, I'd love to
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» well, okay then
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Posted by: X-POLYGAMIST WIFE on Oct 19, 2008 6:51 AM
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10,000 people in Arizona desperately need help, but John McCain wouldn't even return Senator Linda Binder's calls.
Watch the video:
http://www.bankingonheaven.com/
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Posted by: sivad on Oct 21, 2008 1:07 AM
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Yet somehow we find ourselves not getting out ouf this rut. A Democrat version of W! (Oh I can here yall breaking out the rope to string me up but I think it's true!)
Just look at thiscampaign thorough honestly open eyes. He uses the tactic of fear to get your vote. If you don't vote for him your voting for another George W. Your voting to extend this war, your voting to keep the rich rich! "To pay taxes is patriotic!" Says Jo Biden. sounds like Bushit to me! So If I don't want to pay taxes I'm not patriotic? Obama is not "trying to punish me for being successful" he just want "to just try and spread the wealth" (though I'm not just so you know) I truly don't understand this and why you are all going along with it? This is not what we believe in. I am all for a hand up! But not a hand out. It is just a means of control! Hasn't Bush taken enough control of our lives? Why do you just want to surrender it to someone else?
Bush stole the 2000 election through the Federal courts. And in 2004 through dirty voter purging tactics. Yet Now Obama is BUYING votes and this article calls it "expanding the right to vote". Paying a person to register (whatever name they want... Mickey Mouse being 1 example) is expanding peoples rights? Will most of you do what the Republicans do and turn a blind eye to these wrongful practices and just throw un-deserving praise onto an un-deserving man and cram it down the rest of our throats to accept it or shut up? Did you not learn a lesson from Bush? Why are all the things that are wrong right if a Democrat does them?
Why does this article contain so many misleading things that most of you seem to go along with. An example: Item 1 says McCain will cut revenue by 595 billion but item 4 says he will increase it by 3.6 trillion to cover his health care plan. Oddly enough though item 4 makes no mention of how much Obama's health plan will cost. But we all turn a blind eye to that little bit of information that is not there... It seems we turn a blind eye to most of the information that is not provided. We just buy what Obama sells as fact because he said it... not because he backs it up. Remind us of anyone?
I do not enjoy being put into a position of defending a Republican but this article falsly claims under item 2: "First up on the chopping block would be Roe v. Wade. McCain has already promised that much". That is pure falsehood! How could anyone read this and even allow there minds to be brainwashed with this fodder? I know for fac that in the 3rd debate McCain affirmed quite clearly that Roe v. Wade was something he felt was up to the individual states to decide on "I'm a Federalist" he delcared (meaning he believes that states should handle their own agendas rather than a national solution) and that he would not address the issue during his term as President.
Could everyone, from both sides, just agree to learn the truth. Don't believe lies. Don't allow this slanderous nastiness to continue any longer. Demand that these media outlets give us the news unfiltered. Without a slant in either direction! Just the facts. I'm sick and tired of being told what I think by both sides. The Republican slant tells me how loony I am and the Democrats, under the leadership of OBAMA, just seem to confirm it.
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Posted by: Karen Kim on Oct 21, 2008 6:48 AM
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If you increase the taxes on business owners, like me, they can't afford to hire new employees. Last year was the first year my business made $250,000 after six years of hard work. I spent that money opening another office and hiring new employees. If Obama had been president I could not have had the money to do so. He would have taxed the income to give it to unemployed people in the form of a annual check, spreading the wealth. They would be better off with a job.
And in regard to healthcare-Why does Obama think the employer based model is so great? It is a strain on small business! Insurance companies raise the premiums 33% everytime one of the employees has a procedure. Why doesn't he target the large insurance companies? They charge large premiums while constantly decreasing the amount of compensation to physicians.
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Posted by: Honeygirl on Oct 23, 2008 2:34 PM
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My question: WHERE DID HE GET THE MONEY FOR THE TRIP? Neither I nor any one of my children would have had money 4 a trip like this when they were in college.
When he came back he started school at Columbia U in NY. It is then that he wanted everyone to start calling him Barack; not Barry. Do you know what the tuition is at Columbia? It's not cheap, to say the least!
WHERE DID HE GET THE MONEY FOR TUITION? Student loans? MAYBE.
After Columbia, he went 2 Chicago 2 work as a Community Organizer @$12,000 a year. Why Chicago? Why not New York? He was already there. By 'chance'he met Antoin 'Tony' Rezko, born in Aleppo, Syria, a real estate developer in Chicago. Rezko has been convicted of fraud and bribery just this year. Rezko was named 'Entrepreneur of the Decade' by the Arab-American Business & Professional Assoc. About 2 years later, Obama entered Harvard Law School.
Do you have any IDEA what tuition is 4 Harvard Law School? WHERE DID HE GET THE MONEY 4 HARVARD LAW SCHOOL? More student loans?
After Law School, he went back to Chicago. Rezko offered him a job, which he turned down. But, he did take a job with Davis, Miner, Barnhill & Galland. Guess what? They represented 'Rezar', which is Rezko's firm. Rezko was one of Obama's first major financial contributors when he ran for office in Chicago. In 2003, Rezko threw an early fundraiser 4 Obama which Chicago Tribune reporter David Mendelland claims was instrumental in providing Obama with 'seed money' 4 his U.S. Senate race.
In 2005, Obama purchased a new home in the Kenwood District of Chicago @ $1.65 million (less than the asking price).
With ALL those Student loans to pay back - WHERE DID HE GET THE MONEY FOR THE PROPERTY?
That same day, Rezko's wife, Rita, purchased the adjoining empty lot 4 full price. The London Times reported that Nadhmi Auchi, an Iraqi-born Billionaire, loaned Rezko $3.5 million three weeks before Obama's new home was purchased. Obama met Nadhmi Auchi many times with Rezko. Now we have Obama running 4 President. Valerie Jarrett was Michelle Obama's boss. She's now Obama's chief advisor & he does not make any major decisions without talking 2her first.
Where was Jarrett born? Ready for this? SHIRAZ, IRAN!
Do we see a pattern here? Or am I going crazy?
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