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Election 2008

Todd Palin: If You Thought Cheney Was Bad, Watch out for the "First Dude"

By Bill Boyarsky, Truthdig. Posted October 15, 2008.


Todd Palin interfered regularly in his wife's affairs as governor, and there's every reason to assume he'd do the same in the White House.
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Todd Palin seated behind a White House desk and shaping national policy could be one of the most dangerous aspects of a potential Sarah Palin presidency.

An overlooked part of the Alaska state trooper investigation is its finding on the influence of Gov. Palin's husband, Todd -- the "First Dude" or, as he is known around the Alaska statehouse, the "First Gentleman."

This is crucial in view of the age of the Republican nominee, John McCain, 72, and the fact that he has suffered from melanoma skin cancer. His doctors have pronounced him in excellent health, but his age and the serious nature of this type of cancer should focus attention on his running mate and her operating methods.

A fascinating picture of Todd Palin's influence in Alaska's capital is provided in the report of a legislative investigation that concluded that Gov. Palin unlawfully abused her power in seeking the firing of a state trooper once married to her sister. The report, released Friday, also criticized Palin for allowing Todd Palin to push hard for the dismissal of Trooper Mike Wooten.

Wooten had been married to the governor's sister. Their divorce was messy. So, apparently, was Wooten's career as a trooper. He had been accused of illegally shooting a moose, drinking beer in a patrol car and using a Taser gun on his stepson. He was disciplined before Palin became governor and was allowed to remain a trooper. 

When Palin took over, the Wooten case was high on the family agenda, with Todd Palin leading the effort to get rid of the trooper. As Associated Press writer Mike Apuzzo put it in his story on the report, Todd Palin had "extraordinary access to the governor's office" and he "used that access to try to get [Wooten] fired."

His target was Public Safety Commissioner Walter Monegan, who said he lost his job because he refused to fire Wooten.

The report, by investigator Stephen Branchflower, a retired state prosecutor, shows how Todd Palin operates.

Monegan's secretary, Cassandra Byrne, said that on Jan. 4, 2007, she received a phone call from the governor's office. An aide told her "the First Gentleman would like to have a meeting with Commissioner Walt Monegan. At the time, I was not familiar with the term 'First Gentleman.' So I kept asking 'Who?' and she eventually said 'Todd Palin.' I said, 'Oh, OK,' so we set the time and the place which was the governor's office in Anchorage. "

Investigator Branchflower said that when Monegan arrived there he was directed into the governor's office. Todd Palin, wearing a business suit, was alone, waiting for him. "Mr. Palin was seated at a large conference table and invited Mr. Monegan to sit," the report said.

Monegan said, "What I recalled was Todd sitting there. He had three stacks of paper in an array in front of him" dealing with the Wooten case. One was from the Department of Public Safety, under which Alaska state troopers serve.

Monegan told Branchflower that he got "the impression that Todd was not happy with the investigation [that the department had made before disciplining Wooten].

"He told me that he [Wooten] just got a few days off [suspension] and didn't think that was enough. And this guy shouldn't be a trooper."

Describing Todd Palin, Monegan said, "I saw someone who was somewhat animated. Not certainly out of control but he was passionate about how he was addressing the issue.

"And my impression was that he was venting. I mean there was a complaint, the troopers investigated it and that they had come up with a conclusion and that he was not happy with the conclusion."

The telling vignette shows Todd Palin's position in the governor's office. Dressed in a business suit, seated behind a big conference table with state documents in front of him, he tried to tell the state's top cop how to do his job.

This is a man who was a member of the Alaskan Independence Party, a radical group advocating Alaskan secession from the United States. Gail Fenumiai, director of the Alaska Division of Elections, told TPM Muckraker that Palin registered as an AIP member in October 1995 and continued in that status until 2000, when he registered as undeclared for a few months. He registered as an AIP member again and remained with the party until 2002, when he registered as undeclared. 

What other radical ideas are percolating in the mind of a man who is now portrayed in the media as sort of a lovable guys' guy?

If Sarah Palin ever becomes president, it is safe to assume that the First Gentleman of Alaska will slip into the role of First Gentleman of the United States with as much access to the Oval Office as he has to the governor's office in Anchorage.

That is a truly scary thought.


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Oh say it ain't so Mr. First Dude!
Posted by: milox on Oct 15, 2008 1:24 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Todd Palin, hubby of Sarah, Gov of AK, is either a rube for his assumption he was in the right place doing official business or a meddling idiot...perhaps both.

The way these things usually works is it's filtered through the pants wearer but she's incompetent as it stands....he probably didn't trust her to pull it off.

If somehow McCain/Palin get elected and John kicks the bucket...we're so hosed, you betcha.

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» X-POLYGAMIST WIFE in ARIZONA Posted by: X-POLYGAMIST WIFE
» Karl.Rove.Ben Posted by: Bliss Doubt
» RE: Karl.Rove.Ben Posted by: bornxeyed
» Yuppies? Posted by: bizeeb
» RE: Yuppies? Posted by: helenwheels
» RE: Yuppies? Posted by: Dboy
» RE: Again with the slur yuppies? Posted by: salt-of-the-earth
Palin is the Emperor of Alaska who wore no clothes and Todd is her dresser.
Posted by: NoMcCainPalin on Oct 15, 2008 1:36 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Not that I want to see Sarah naked, because I don't. It's just that I can't think of a better metaphor for a dimwitted hockey mom governor who thinks that gazing at neighboring Russia gives her foreign affairs experience.

Or believes humans hunted dinosaurs.

Or thinks man has no influence on global warming.

When applied to Sarah Palin, Hans Christian Anderson's famous "Emperor's New Clothes" story makes sense because it's a metaphor for MASS STUPIDITY -- in this case, the millions of Americans who believe Palin is qualified to be president of the United States.

Consider, for example, the opening paragraph of Anderson's tale:

MANY years ago there lived an Emperor, who was so excessively fond of grand new clothes that he spent all his money upon them, that he might be very fine. He did not care about his soldiers, nor about the theatre, and only liked to drive out and show his new clothes.

Is that not Sarah Palin, a former beauty queen more concerned about her appearance than her empty head?

Anderson's story went on to describe two con artists who figured out that the Emperor's vanity could be exploited by selling him nonexistent clothes.

Wrote Anderson, One day two rogues came: they gave themselves out as weavers, and declared they could weave the finest stuff any one could imagine. Not only were their colors and patterns, they said, uncommonly beautiful, but the clothes made of the stuff possessed the wonderful quality that they became invisible to any one who was unfit for the office he held, or was incorrigibly stupid.

That's us -- the American people -- incorrigibly stupid if Palin becomes our vice president.

Finally, for more damning information about Scary Sarah and her unfit running mate, including his treasonous POW record, click on: Vote Against McCain (one of the HOTTEST anti-McCain sites on the Web)

Other websites freedom-loving Americans should visit, especially veterans, are:
How McCain Betrayed His Fellow Vets
Iraq Vets Against the War
U.S. Veterans Dispatch
Vietnam Vets Against John McCain
Veterans Voice
Vote Veterans

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» I agree............. Posted by: Karl.Ben
» RE: Hope your day gets better! Posted by: Cybershaman
» RE: Hope your day gets better! Posted by: Karl.Ben
» We are all enjoying... Posted by: schiffer
Character?
Posted by: Tom Degan on Oct 15, 2008 1:49 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Not having any ideas on which to base their monunentally stupid campaign, Camp McCain can only run on the "character" of Barack Obama.

Character? Character??? These assholes what to talk about chararcter? Let's talk about character, shall we?

One of the founding fathers of the Republican party, Abraham Lincoln, believed to his core that not sttate had the constitutional right to secede from the union. He even fought a civil war to kind of drive home the point. Can you imagine if Jill Biden (Joe's Mrs.) had until relatively recently been involved in an organization that advocated indepeddence for the state of Delaware? They would at this moment be positively apoplectic! That very fact alone would have disqualified my man Joe from being on the ticket. The fact that Mr. Sarah Palin until a few years ago belonged to a political party which sought Alaskan secession means not a thing to these hypocrites.

Heavens to Betsy, I'm lovin' this campaign!

Tom Degan
Goshen, NY
Crazy White People

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» RE: Character? Posted by: jacobtoo
» its a Troll n/c Posted by: bookie
» RE: Character? Posted by: clvngodess
» RE: Character? Posted by: orwellturns
» RE: Character? Posted by: wagnerrocks@gmail.com
A Family affair!
Posted by: Karl.Ben on Oct 15, 2008 2:56 AM   
Current rating: 2    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
This is a scary thought but not unusual. I think the problem this time is the thought that a women would allow this more than a man. The same concern was raised about Clinton. BUT, consider the influence of a wife on a candidate..

We know Michelle Obama will have a strong hand in helping shape policy. Obama has said as much! THAT is a scary thought!

I can take Barack, I can't take Michelle so shes a deal breaker for me!

You vote for the candidate you get the entire family!

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» RE: A Family affair! Posted by: overseas
» RE: A Family affair! Posted by: Karl.Ben
» RE: A Family affair! Posted by: kiel
» RE: A critical mind. Posted by: Cybershaman
» RE: A critical mind. Posted by: Karl.Ben
» RE: A critical mind. Posted by: wagnerrocks@gmail.com
» RE: A Family affair! Posted by: blitzmesser
» RE: A Family affair! Posted by: Karl.Ben
» RE: A Family affair! Posted by: peacefullaim
» This is SO telling .... Posted by: Taylor Siluwe
» RE: This is SO telling .... Posted by: dmb8762
» RE: This is SO telling .... Posted by: helenwheels
» RE: This is SO telling .... Posted by: Karl.Ben
» dumb reason Posted by: hotar
» RE: A Family affair! Posted by: PeaceFlea
» RE: A Family affair! Posted by: Karl.Ben
» RE: A Family affair! Posted by: FernLee
» RE: A Family affair! Posted by: ajsz
» RE: A Family affair! Posted by: bornxeyed
» RE: A Family affair! Posted by: helenwheels
» RE: A Family affair! Posted by: annestivacti
» RE: A Family affair! Posted by: TiredoftheLies
The Photo Says it All
Posted by: GatoPreto on Oct 15, 2008 3:34 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Great choice of photo, it really drives the point home. Though I doubt Palin's future in Politics is golden, it's important to make sure this political beast is stone cold dead before we turn our backs on it. Keep up the good work!

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Trend is definitely changing in Obama's favor
Posted by: hankhawk on Oct 15, 2008 4:02 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
In the past few weeks I've detected a definite
change of momentum in favor of Obama. In
fact there seems to be a bit of panic in
McCain's appearances and messages.
While I don't take polls as 100% accurate, there is certainly a shift in numbers in
Obama's favor.
Also I definitely see a dropping of Palin's
popularity among the more aware and educated
voters.
I also don't believe we'll have to worry about
any ballot manipulations this year because
I think the outcome will not even be close
enough that the vote numbers can give Dem's
a chance to change votes to give McCain
a chance to steal the election.
Today's final debate could be the final nail
in McCain's coffin if Obama continues his
positive image and keeps a cool head.

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Silly me - I'm not scared in the least
Posted by: MartianBachelor on Oct 15, 2008 4:13 AM   
Current rating: 2    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
"Todd Palin seated behind a White House desk and shaping national policy"... would be a huge victory for diversity, seeing as how no one of "eskimo" (Yup'ik) heritage has ever been so well placed in the corridors of power.

What kind of man could be married to a woman so hormonally exuberant as Sarah Palin, with her dual archetypes straight out of a Camille Paglia reverie: half Alaskan Amazon, half Venus of Willendorf, half alpha-female power bitch? Exactly the kind you’d expect: he works as both a North Slope oilfield roughneck and a salmon fisherman. He’s also won the state’s snowmobile championship, the 2,000-mile Tesoro Iron Dog race, four times. (He only finished fourth this year because he had to ride the last 400 miles with a broken arm after being thrown 70 feet.) Did I mention he’s part Eskimo? And that he's the much-hoped-for New Male who stays home and takes care of the kids -- five of `em (!) -- while mom is off slaying evil Republican political dragons? And that he does all this with the seeming unshakable serenity of a Tibetan monk?

Compared to Obama’s much-lauded but tedious life (sorta like this article), cautiously plotted in countless Chicago backrooms, the Alaskan-sized lustiness of Governor Palin’s and The First Dude's full-throttle biography, and all the only-in-Alaska factoids about them, always leave me laughing.

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» RE: I'm concerned... Posted by: Cybershaman
» RE: Silly me - LOL! Posted by: Taylor Siluwe
» THREE "Halves" ??? Posted by: AdamSelene40
Colossians 3:18
Posted by: kiel on Oct 15, 2008 4:36 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Well, given the Palins’ Baptist conservatism, it is not surprising that Todd has the run of the place. The Southern Baptist convention made a big deal a few years ago of promoting a male-dominant worldview, based on Colossians 3:18: “”Wives, be subject to your husbands…”

So the wingnuts who want religion to shade their politics and policies are bound by this. Baby Sarah would have to bow to Todd’s every whim in office. And if she became president, Todd would, by this theology, have ultimate control–could even order Sarah to start WW3. And Sara would either have to disobey Todd or disobey God.

Of course, no one is saying religion has any place in politics…except people like the Palins (and Bushes, and all the other wingnuts)…

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» RE: Colossians 3:18 Posted by: Adastra
WIFE SUBSERVIENCE NO DOUBT PREVAILS
Posted by: wellaware lec on Oct 15, 2008 4:53 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
IN WAYS such as evidenced in this article. How could anyone at all aware of structure of fundamentalist Christian hierarchy/dogma NOT already know that Todd will prevail as head of the household, albeit this is a rather unique fundamentalist household and a Republican move contrary to more obvious patterns. This is a woman who knows how to be a star UNDER a man's thumb, for sure, or she would not be where she is now. And a sociopath toboot (info continues to come forward, on a daily basis). For her to behave as she does could only move her forward as it has WITH a similar patterned and very, very strong husband.
Also, apparently conditions under which $2.5 M house built near sports center now have come into serious question....after all building permit requirements abolished by Mayor Palin.
I think someone should also do followup on people who have come forward with info incriminating to Palin, to see how many are still OK, right before, and also after, the election. Check moves out of Alaska, Alaska obits, etc. Patterns show they will probably pay for years to come.

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First Dude
Posted by: jannahanna on Oct 15, 2008 4:59 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Maybe he'll just take over as governor of Alaska.

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McCain-Palin
Posted by: taxidriver on Oct 15, 2008 5:26 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
If McCain-Palin win, we'll have a lot bigger problems than potential meddling by the "first dude."

Although it wouldn't surprise me if he became the Interior Secretary--or the head of U.S. Fish and Wildlife.

If that happens, maybe we'll have another "Day of the Animals."

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Yeah they're mavericks they do what they want and to hell with everyone else
Posted by: justaperson on Oct 15, 2008 5:34 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Sarah Palin and her husband and her daughter flaunt a feeling of superiority based on vulgarity. They are not a transparent bunch. Secret pregnancies, late night phone calls and troopergate obsessions, backroom deals to play switcheroo with the "bridge to nowhere cash" in order to maintain the falsity that Palin turned it down. And then there is the witchdoctor, but please I don't even want to go there. Sarah is a disastor once you move beyond the most radically conservative base and even they would rue the day they supported her should she ever (God forbid) be in a position to make grave decisions for this nation. Sarah is a drama queen. That's why so few women support her.

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Stop buying into the racist rightwing media bullshit that this race is still "close".
Posted by: maxpayne on Oct 15, 2008 5:39 AM   
Current rating: 2    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I may have issues with Obama moving to the rightwing on everything but at this point, it's pretty much safe to say that this election won't even be close. Why is this author still buying into the rightwing media bullshit that it still will be by writing useless posts about Todd Palin who has virtually no chance of becoming Second Dude let alone first? The race is OVER. Get over it ! Now let's all get out there and vote and do to John Mccain what VA voters did to Jerry KILgore in 2005 and George Allen in 2006 and that was to kick their asses at the polls !

P.S.: To the people who still worry that there will be some so-called "Bradley Effect", stop corn-feeding yourselves with rightwing bullshit ! There is no "Bradley Effect" and in fact that conspiracy theory was disproven in the 1980s itself. The only reason the rightwing media is now bringing it up is all along they desperately wanted Mccain to win but are now trying to deny the reality that Mccain is sinking faster than Bush did in 2004. If Mccain were ahead of Obama by 5-10 points, this same media would say that America is not ready to elect a black president. Now, they're trying to play the race and party cards against him. Can you imagine the different treatment the media would have been for Condi ?

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Dumb and Dumber in the Wings
Posted by: Midway54 on Oct 15, 2008 5:47 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Our Plutocracy is becoming frantic over the clear possibility that its new Stooges are headed for defeat. Shrieking Sarah, grossly incompetent and apparently too dumb to recognize her limitations (or is she?), will bring with her the First Du(fus), dumber still with no credentials, a frightening duo to contemplate in case McBush at age 72 either dies or suffers a disabling medical condition. Their presence in the White House will be ideal for the owners of the military-industrial-compliant media complex, because both of them, like the current Puppet, will eagerly follow orders benefitting the upper 1% of the economic ladder and keeping dissenters intimidated and scandalized. Expect from now on the worst of the ultra-right slanders, libels, and deceptions against Obama to infuriate and lure the Dupes and vacuities to the polls to fornicate themselves and all the rest of us who can see the Plutocracy for what it really is in its striving to maintain the Gilded Age II Disaster created by the worst president in the Nation's history.

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bkennethmcgee
Posted by: rfgtile on Oct 15, 2008 6:01 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Send in the Clowns


Isn't it rich, are we a pair?
Me here at last on the ground,
You in mid-air.
Send in the clowns.

Isn't it bliss, don't you approve?
One who keeps tearing around
One who can't move
Where are the clowns?
Send in the clowns.

Just when I'd stopped opening doors,
Finally knowing the one that I wanted was yours.
Making my entrance again with my usual flair,
Sure of my lines;
No one is there.

Don't you love farce?
My fault I fear,
I thought that you'd want what I want,
Sorry my dear
But where are the clowns
There ought to be clowns
Quick send in the clowns

What a surprise!
Who could foresee
I'd come to feel about you
What you felt about me?
Why only now when I see
That you've drifted away?
What a surprise...
What a cliche'...

Isn't it rich, isn't it queer
Losing my timing this late in my career
And where are the clowns
Quick send in the clowns
Don't bother, they're here.

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» RE: bkennethmcgee Posted by: VZEQICVA
» RE: bkennethmcgee Posted by: jannahanna
X-POLYGAMIST WIFE in ARIZONA
Posted by: X-POLYGAMIST WIFE on Oct 15, 2008 6:13 AM   
Current rating: 2    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
John McCain doesn't care about women and children, he doesn't give a crap about anybody. His only ambition is to please Cindy McCain, his sugar-mama, who wants to be First Lady and live in the White House.

Watch the video:

http://www.bankingonheaven.com/

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» McCain's ambition Posted by: BlueTigress
» RE: McCain's ambition Posted by: babs
FMAinMass
Posted by: FMABBI on Oct 15, 2008 6:16 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
One of the commenters wants to compare Michelle Obama to Todd Palin? First of all, Michelle has a law degree. Todd has no higher education whatsoever. Michelle has proven smarts and Todd stupidly overstepped his role as "First Gentleman" in this Trooper-gate escapade. Todd is genuinely dangerous for the country having belonged for years to the AIP. How does HE see America I wonder? Michelle once stated that she's proud of America for the first time - and if Obama is elected - I will be proud of America for the first time as well!

Our politics are disgusting. Our racism is abhorrent. Our foreign policies have diminished our standing in the world, especially due this tragic, expensive, reckless, illegal war without end in Iraq. Meanwhile our general in Afganistan is begging for more troops - do we even have them?

Let's turn the page and elect Barack Obama and have some real intelligence in the oval office for a change! He's not perfect but he's got the right stuff to turn this country around and get us out of the ditch we're in!

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» A law degree means jack Posted by: Bobsays
» RE: A law degree means jack Posted by: Bibsisis
» RE: FMAinMass Posted by: esornew
LOL
Posted by: RedFoxOne on Oct 15, 2008 6:23 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I really find it hard to believe that anyone with a single ounce of common sense would be backing McBush/Failin. Pretty much EVERYTHING out of his mouth is either madeup as he goes along or is just an outright lie. Wake up sheeple.

Jiff
Privacy Center

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» RE: LOL Posted by: madmac10
This is a battle for freedom and capitalism: Palin is up to the job
Posted by: Bobsays on Oct 15, 2008 6:24 AM   
Current rating: 2    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
The more I see of this feisty Alaskan huskie, the more I like. Don't fall for the BS: take for example Canada. They just RE_ELECTED Bush ally Stephen Harper. That's right, after a decade of Naomi Klein banging on about how logos and brands are evil, Canadians didn't drink the Kool-Aid, and voted for the Conservatives.

While Canada has more hockey moms than the US, I still think the big issue today is security and law and order. And people can't trust those who do not make that a priority.

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If you are an American Military Veteran, or not...You Might Wish to Read this:
Posted by: One American Lady on Oct 15, 2008 7:07 AM   
Current rating: 1    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Website: veterans for common sense.org
It is a Group of Veterans, who bring Awareness & Investigative Studies, to the Frontlines, for the Protection & Preservation of the Constitutional Rights of the U.S. Military Soldiers / Veterans & their families, too...an Organization, based on the Beliefs & Principles of Thomas Paine, an American Statesman & One of the Founding Fathers of America... (Thomas's son, by Mary Montague, is a blood relative, to the *First U.S. President*
George Washington). Mary Montague was "In Possession* of the *Montague Seal* which is on All the Documents of the Government of the United States of America, documents written by the Founding Fathers & the Montague Seal, is also on the U.S. Currency, along with the Emblem of the Order of the Eastern Star... the Masonic Emblem.
Mary Montague provided the Montague Seal, to Thomas Paine, who gave it to George Washington, so it could become a Seal, a Promise for the Constitutional Government, to "STAY INTACT FOR SUCCEEDING GENERATIONS".
(George Washington & the Founding Fathers, had the Military Soldiers / Veterans & their families, in Mind, when the Constitutional Government for the United States, was Established as Law. George Washington got Smallpox, by being associated in & with the Military War Actions & by contracting Smallpox, it *made him Sterile, unable to... Father Children*... so He Was Realizing, Firsthand, the Damage to the Human Body... for Soldiers to be Exposed to Toxic / Hazard Materials, & the Action of War, on a Battlefield, where Combat is Extreme. George's oldest brother, Lawrence, died from Exposure to Unhealthy Substances, contracted during a time of hardship & Conflicts... preceding the Revolutionary War....IT IS A FACT THAT TOXICITY, CONTRACTED BY SOLDIERS, *CAN BE TRANSMITTED INTO THE GENETICS, OF THE... OFFSPRING... FROM A SOLDIER / VETERAN & these Unhealthy Genetics, can Adversely Effect the Central Nervous System, triggering the individual to become Suicidal / Developmentally Disabled / Autistic / Birth Defects / Birth Diseases / also to Degenerate the Vital Organs of the Body of the Soldier-Veteran, and-or, Their Offspring.
Veterans of WWI / WWII, were exposed to Radiation & other Toxic / Hazard Materials, which Transmitted into the Genetics of Their SUCCEEDING GENERATIONS & now, a Descendant From a Military Soldier / Veteran, can be Diagnosed with "Multiple / Compound, Ill-Health & Degeneration of the Vital Organs of the Body"... of which the Heart / Brain are the
Last to be Effected / Degenerated... toward Death.
While some Politicians are Getting Richer, from Natural Resources, & the Natuaral Resources are Being Produced, More & More, the Risk to the Soldiers / Veterans & the People, ARE GAINING GROUND, TOWARD, *MORE ILL-HEALTH*...
Coal-Mining causes young female adults to have Miscarriages (Spontaneous Abortions) & or babies who have Developmental Health Issues.
(Think on this: The Body was Made from Dust of the Earth... & this Dust has Metals of a Certain Percentage in it already, & any other Chemicals, might Not Be Conducive with the Metals of the Body, that's already a part of the Human Body, system.)
The Bible, holds many answers of our life, & the Destination of Life...if we but look for those answers.
When the Blood of the Lamb, is Exposed to Unhealthy Substances, it must be Cleansed... so is the Spirit / Soul of Each of Us... Keep Thy Heart & Thy Mind, Pure in Spirit... & the Walk in Life, Will Take You to Attain the Highest Goal, now & in the Hereafter...
America was Founded on a Right for All Citizens of America... the Right to Have a Fundamental Belief in God (Creator of Mankind).
ALL ROADS, OF HUMAN LIFE, WILL TRAVEL THE SAME WAY... THRU BIRTH & DEATH... via the Dust of the Earth... from that Ye Are Borne, & to that, Ye Will Return... in the End... of Your Life.
One American Lady

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Recite at Obama's Inauguration!
Posted by: thinkverybig on Oct 15, 2008 7:07 AM   
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It is my goal to get in touch with someone from the Obama campaign and share with them my desire to be a part of his inauguration by reciting a poem I wrote called “We Must Change,” and I kindly ask for your help in doing so.
Go to youtube and do a search for "thinkverybig" and watch all of those videos. The one called "We Must Change" would be fitting to recite at Obama's Inauguration
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EM58nqX1ehE

Here are the words! http://www.thinkverybig.com/We%20Must%20Change.htm

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Note the body language
Posted by: babka on Oct 15, 2008 7:29 AM   
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in the photo.

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TALK ABOUT "FAMILY AFFAIRS" RUNNING THE U.S. GOVERNMENT... it's found to happen a lot..
Posted by: One American Lady on Oct 15, 2008 7:32 AM   
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George Washington & Dolley Madison, descend from the Montague Family Heritage (& so do I), & Dolley's sister married the Nephew of George Washington, a nephew who was Raised in the Whitehouse by George Washington.
Martha Washington's niece married another Nephew of George Washington, too.
Dolley's cousin married the Son of President Polk.
Dolley Payne/Paine--Todd--Madison's First Husband, John Todd, is a Relative to Mary Todd-Lincoln... the wife of (President) Abraham Lincoln.
Dolley Madison, born 1768 died 1849, Lived to be Hostess in the Private Homes, & in the Whitehouse, OF THE *FIRST 12 U.S. PRESIDENTS*, of the United States. She was given a Presidential Funeral, by President Polk, & buried near in a Cemetery, near the Whitehouse.
Dolley's pet project, was Protection for the Slaves.
Dolley's Ancestory is that of the Woodson Family Name, from which the Famous Outlaws of the West, the Jesse James / Frank James, descend (& so do I).
Then there's the Dalton Family Name...from which some of the Other Outlaws, descend: Jesse James, Frank James, the Younger Brothers,
the Ford Brothers & the Dalton Brothers, (& me, too).
The Five Citilized Tribes, "family affairs", especially the Choctah / Choctaw People,(of Oklahoma Indian Territory-State of) who Descend from Three Whitemen, the Folsom Brothers, whose Ancestory is from Foulesham, England.
Nathaniel Folsom, the oldest... & his two brothers, Educated Men, were sent to Mississippi to Marry the Daughters of the Two Clans (two Chiefs), & then, "Nathaniel, Led His People* to Oklahoma, by 1820's, BEFORE THE TRAIL OF TEARS, TOOK PLACE.
How do People think the Five Civilized Tribes, became Civilized...??? If Not, by Whitemen, marrying into the Tribes, BEFORE ...THE U.S. CONSTITUTION... WAS ESTABLISHED AS...LAW, for All Citizens of America ??
Whitemen began marrying into the Five Tribes, by 1778 - 1780... Examine the History of America, & You Will See that "Family Affairs" have been Happening, since America began...
Also, When Immigrants arrived by Ship to America, VERY SELDOM, HAD THERE BEEN "MORE THAN TWO OR THREE INDIVIDUALS, FROM THE *SAME FAMILY LAST NAME* ALLOWED TO COME TO AMERICA.
Over 50,000 Convicts, sent to America, too.
(All U.S. Presidents... for the Most Part, descend from Royalty Lineages, from the Foreign Countries, Represented in the Treaty of Paris 1783...President Bush, descends also from the Russia Royalty, thru his Mother, the Pierce Family).
It Pays to Know, From Whence Thy Came !!
It Pays to Study & Know Thyself, Approved.
It Pays to Stand Still..."Know Who I Am... sayeth the Lord"... so "who is it that you worship??
One American Lady

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State of wingnuts: Secessionists Palins are acceptable but a biracial man is not
Posted by: PakiBoy on Oct 15, 2008 7:35 AM   
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There is not much that needs to be said about the wingnuts.

Unfortunately, Palin is likely to lose. And the Evil Empire just might survive few extra years under Barrack HUSSEIN Obama.

Consider the irony: a son of a muslim man from Africa will save the Evil Empire from the damage perpetrated by born-again imbeciles and war-criminals from Reagan to Bush-Cheney.

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TRAILER TRASH?
Posted by: soowee on Oct 15, 2008 7:53 AM   
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The TRUTH of the matter is that Todd Palin and his cute wife are worse than TRAILER TRASH. In fact, they are an insult to the decent people who must live in trailers. Neither Palin has any business being anywhere CLOSE to the White House, but because of the idiots in Alaska who elected her governor and John McCain for picking her as a running mate (like he'd pick Cabinet officers and judges), she is now within "spitting distance" of getting there.

For many reasons, I don't like Barack Obama and Joe Biden, but I cannot allow McCain-Palin to win in Va., which is now considered a toss-up.

H. Watkins Ellerson
PO Box 90
Hadensville, VA 23067
(804) 457-4243

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» RE: TRAILER TRASH? Posted by: shd1230
» RE: TRAILER TRASH? Posted by: stopthemaddness2
First Idiot
Posted by: JohnJlws on Oct 15, 2008 7:57 AM   
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The nightmare of this election is to have this uneducated dimwit sitting anywhere near the Oval Office. He seems like a nice enough guy and looks to be a pretty great dad and those are attributes that qualify him for civic awards in small towns.

But the very much overlooked miscarriage of her Administration is that this man, unelected, un-appointed and with no official capacity held his own year long campaign within the Governor's Office to affect the career of a state employee.

If that's not illegal it's at least dramatically unethical and that judgment is the reason she shouldn't be sitting in the Governor's chair, much less the Oval Office.

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» Sorry, not about the trooper Posted by: JohnJlws
» Witch hunt? Posted by: salt-of-the-earth
ms
Posted by: shd1230 on Oct 15, 2008 8:17 AM   
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Cuiouser and curiouser, as in Alice in Wonderland--Sarah and John in a Wonderland of their own--wonder why McCain picked a female right wingnut as a running mate--wondering why anyone wants to vote for four more years of what has gone on in the past eight--wondering how long pore ol' John will SURVIVE if he gets into the White House; wondering how long it will be until someone in McCain's entourage comes out and says it: OBAMA IS BLACK!!! HIS WIFE IS BLACK!!! HIS CHILDREN ARE BLACK!!! Pssst...have you noticed? ONE OF MCCAIN'S "CHILDREN" is BLACK!!!! (Probabably a Muslim?)

BTW don't confuse Palin's "church" with Sou. Baptists--they are another breed altogether--the BIBLICAL INERRANCY people-Oh yes, just because somebody wrote it down a few thousand years ago, it is INERRANT and THEY BELIEVE THAT. What utter and complete idiocy.

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» Picked Posted by: BlueTigress
Yeehaa! Vote with your pink parts!
Posted by: Bliss Doubt on Oct 15, 2008 8:22 AM   
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It's the Beverly Wasillabillies! Aerial gunning for tourists! Drill baby drill, until all those bastard polar bears are dead and those pesky native american villages are burned to the ground. Fire on Russia--yippee! It's the bible thumpers' battlefield. Moose barbecue to follow. Set a spell--take your shoes off. Then get down on your knees and pray the witches don't get ya, and your kids don't learn about rubbers for chrissake. Forget the bridge to nowhere. Show me the bridge to outta here!

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I'm having a recurring nightmare that's getting worse.
Posted by: NoMcCainPalin on Oct 15, 2008 8:47 AM   
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I'm tied in a chair watching President Palin on TV give her first State of the Union speech. My right arm is free and I have a pistol in my hand. But it's empty.

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Palin's Secessionist Husband Campaigns ALONE in Maine
Posted by: p.ray on Oct 15, 2008 9:06 AM   
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In addition to other divisive, dangerous, and destructive policies promoted by Republican operatives, this week they saw fit to send a bona fide un-American secessionist unaccompanied by the candidates into the farthest reaches of our country (Sarah will join her husband on Thursday 10/16 - Talk about "Sleeping with the Enemy")!

The answer to the question "Whose agenda does Palin and her "first-dude" really support?" is obvious. Sarah and Todd Palin are gluttonous takers who will use anyone and everything to further their self-serving ambitions - their environment, their family, their country - their self-aggrandizing greed spares no one or anything.

Disaffected Republicans have espoused that if Obama wins they'll leave the country (please, please, pretty please)! I suggest they all pack up and move to Alaska - let the Palins and AIG have them!

Let them secede! Their new Republic of Alaska will be surrounded by Russia, China, and Canada - problem solved (sorry, folks, we apologize, it just couldn't be helped!)

As we here in the lower 48 become more energy independent, "Palin's Folly" will then become feeding ground for the displaced Polar Bears (Na-Nook Does Lunch)! One can only hope...

Phala

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Do we ever think the wives of men in power meddle??
Posted by: CC Pelmas on Oct 15, 2008 9:39 AM   
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The thought of Sarah Palin making decisions (of any kind) for anyone other than herself makes me want to scream for the extraordinary ignorance and small-mindedness she displays. BUT it feels decidedly sexist to me to write an article that talks about her meddling husband. I cannot recall an article EVER that accuses the wives of men in powerful positions of meddling. Why is it ok to accuse Sarah Palin of allowing her husband to meddle? Have we ever accused a man in a powerful position of allowing his wife to meddle? Please, remind me...

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The Palins are a threat to US national security
Posted by: Garvagh on Oct 15, 2008 10:52 AM   
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John McCain develops his foreign policy positions in consultation with lobbyist/agents for foreign coutnries that stand to benefit from the squandering of American power and influence in the world. Sarah Palin knows next to nothing about history, culture, diplomacy, etc., and she and her husband would be agressive stooges in the service of Aipac and the neocons.

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Is it a virus, or genetic?
Posted by: willymack on Oct 15, 2008 10:51 AM   
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There seems to be a contagious aspect to palin's rants, which are short on the truth, but heavy on hostile emotions. The mindless zombies hanging on her every word and shouting "traitor", "treason",off with his head", and other imbicilic expostulations seem to exhibit symptoms of infection of the numbskullicus halfwiticus virus, or maybe it's the bonehead redneck syndrome so evident among bush worshipers, and passed on (de) generatiolally.

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The Moose Shooting
Posted by: whoisjoe on Oct 15, 2008 12:19 PM   
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The illegal moose hunting incident has been blown way out of proportion.

According to the report (I'm about a third of the way through it), Wooten's wife had a moose-hunting permit. Wooten just happened to pull the trigger. While technically, this is illegal, to prosecute it is to argue semantics.

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» RE: Another funny post, salt-of-the-earth! Posted by: salt-of-the-earth
You've got to be nuts not to see that a gun toting, Moose shooting Six Pack isn't scary!!!!
Posted by: stopthemaddness2 on Oct 15, 2008 12:26 PM   
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Sarah Palin and Todd Palin, both part of Alaska Independence Party, a rabid Anti American Extremist group since 2005, and that crazy church she belongs to... and her child having a child, and Troopergate, and the way she uses her children in the cameras as PROP's, and her hate-filled rallies, is something to be proud of, NOT TO MENTION AS OF THE DEBATE WITH BIDDEN, SHE STILL DID NOT KNOW THE EXACT ROLE CONSTITUTIONALLY SPEAKING THAT A VICE PRESIDENT ENGAGES IN, AND DOESN'T KNOW ENOUGH FOREIGN POLICY TO FIT INSIDE A TEASPOON, GIVE ME A FREAKN BREAK....THE WOMAN IS WRONG AND THE REPUBLICANS DAMN WELL KNOW IT!!! EVEN TALK AMONG THE CONSERVATIVES KNOW THAT A HUGE MISTAKE WAS MADE IN CHOOSING SARAH SIX PACK, PALIN, WHO SHOULD PACK PACK AND GO BACK BACK TO ALASKA AND HER INDEPENDENCE PARTY, WITH HER NONSENSE AND HATE!

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TODD AND SARAH PALIN -ALASKA INDEPENDENCE PARTY- THEY ARE CARTOONS- GO BACK TO ALASKA PLEASE!
Posted by: stopthemaddness2 on Oct 15, 2008 12:45 PM   
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You are absolutely right... she is TOO incompetent to even be near the oval office. The debate and her subsequent hate rallies prove that! All her interviews, even with Katie Couric prove that! In my opinion, She is a dangerous ambitious, self agenda getting, inadequate quack! She should never been given access to the white house, or the RED PHONE! Her family is wrong, her husband and his DIRECT TIES to the Alaska Independence Party, a group headed by Joe Vogler, hated America and wanted the state of Alaska to stand alone and be separate from the rest of the united states. Just look this up this sick group for yourself! I did! Knowing that Todd Palin belonged to this crazy sick group, well, it is insane that they are even still on the ticket!!!! Stupid and Shameful!

Now if that is patriotism, if that is American then the entire world has been turned upside down and we are all on another planet. SHE IS WRONG, WAS WRONG from day one, and the Republicans know this. In secret, they have said as much. A top Conservative Republican spoke out about Sarah Palin and the fact that she is NOT READY to be VP and was criticized for it but also received hundreds of letters from top Republicans who shared her concern about Sarah and Todd Palin. McCain's campaign went down the tubes THE MOMENT he accepted this unworthy female cartoon. Period!

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A QUACK AND A CARTOON IN THE WHITE HOUSE...NO THANKS NO MCCAIN AND CERTAINLY NO PALIN
Posted by: stopthemaddness2 on Oct 15, 2008 1:02 PM   
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Well stated. If the Presidency was a medical position, McCain would would be considered a QUACK!! And Sarah Palin would be considered a CARTOON!! Both are so wrong for this nation, especially with the huge complex problems we are now facing, 650,000 jobs just vanished, and counting, banks closing left and right, the financial meltdown, the gasoline prices $4 dollars a gallon as well as milk, 401K Retirement plans, just GONE-, no health care, our infra structures neglected, and on and on, the misery list is long, and the serious wars we have brewing on two fronts, GLOBAL MARKETS adversely affected... McCain and his Fat Cats would drop us all into a full blown DEPRESSION within less than a 100 days after taking office. PERIOD!!!!!! He and Palin are unthinkable, unacceptable!!!!

McCain has never had his own platform, just borrowed from everybody else. He is too OLD and sickly, WATCH HOW WINDED AND SICKLY HE LOOKS IN THIS LAST DEBATE TONIGHT!!! And the idea of Palin being next in line as Commander in Chief and in charge of the Nuclear Numbers in as Unthinkable as a three-year old playing with and pushing the RED BUTTON just for FUN!!!

Sarah Six Pack and her Moose shooting, gun toting, Alaska Independence Party husband,( WHO HAD DIRECT TIES TO THE ALASKA INDEPENDENCE PARTY) and that crazy church she belongs to...and the scariest part of all she knows less than a teaspoon of knowledge about foreign affairs, AND John McCain's voting record for funding military STINKS, along with his LIES and hate spreading, warmongering ideas, lets BOMB BOMB, Both of THEM IN THE WHITE HOUSE>.... TOO UNTHINKABLE!!! A QUACK AND A CARTOON!!!

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WATCH HOW REALLY OLD AND SICKLY MCCAIN WILL LOOK IN THIS LAST DEBATE TONIGHT!
Posted by: stopthemaddness2 on Oct 15, 2008 1:05 PM   
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HE IS TOO OLD, AND WITH SIX PACK PALIN NEXT TO THE RED PHONE...CAN YOU AFFORD TO EVEN GET THAT INTO A THOUGHT??? IT IS UNTHINKABLE!!!

WATCH THE DEBATE TONIGHT,AND I AM SURE YOU WILL SEE THAT MCCAIN IS TOO OLD, DOES NOT HAVE THE STRENGTH AND STAMINA NOR THE POLICY, THE DIPLOMACY NEEDED TO GET US THROUGH THIS MESS!

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» Right. But Sarah Palin does. Posted by: salt-of-the-earth
» RE: ight. But Sarah Palin does. Posted by: salt-of-the-earth
Uh no dude
Posted by: 4changenow on Oct 15, 2008 2:02 PM   
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It just cracks me --of course he should of been fired or severely disciplined

That is not the issue dude. The problem is Palin was in a position of public authority when the trooper played with those tasers. That is the kind of behavior that should of been an automatic suspension / firing.
However she was worried about more(sic) important things, rather than children being tasered and etc.

However she finally did see the importance of the trooper's behavior because " he made Sarah's sister cry --boo hoo -get a life

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gathaiga
Posted by: gathaiga on Oct 15, 2008 2:59 PM   
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Comparing Todd Palin to Dick Cheney is like comparing a small-time thug with a Mafia don.

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Long live NASA (and here's why....)
Posted by: LouisLouis on Oct 15, 2008 3:27 PM   
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Referring to Bill's title:
"Todd Palin: If You Thought Cheney Was Bad, Watch out for the 'First Dude' ".

Sure enough it's a nice line and it draws attention. But there's more kinds of badness and danger in this world than just one or two. Cheney is a finance guy, an economy figure, the ultrasmart darklord behind Bush junior. He's global, see? Like, he installed Blackwater just like that! Whereas First Todd Dude is a local Ego, married to a local Ego woman and now sees himself pumped up into US-national proportions. Of course they could do serious damage to the nation within one afternoon without even knowing it. But they are nowhere near Cheney. Of course we want both of them on the moon. Long live NASA!

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A VP's spouse can cause problems...
Posted by: westomoon on Oct 15, 2008 4:23 PM   
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... even if the President doesn't die. Researching a comment above made me remember the terrifying Marilyn Quayle, who 'was her husband's campaign manager and has an office near his in the Old Executive Office Building, where she spends much of her time. In joint interviews, she doesn't hesitate to correct her husband."

What do you think she was doing in that office? I can tell you -- arm-twisting, contacting career civil servants directly to bully them, and pursuing a number of agendas, some of them commercial/financial. Pretty much the same stuff Todd Palin did as "First Dude" of Alaska, and would probably not stop doing if he became "Second Dude" of the US.

The quote comes from a 1992 TIME magazine article discussing how the Republicans made a political issue of Hillary Clinton's strength during the first Clinton campaign for the Presidency.

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Wouldn't It Be Nice to Have a President and VP whose "Death List" included only timber wolves?
Posted by: salt-of-the-earth on Oct 15, 2008 4:50 PM   
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Obama's already got his list started -- three homosexuals in Rev. Wright's church who were murdered execution style last year. Rev. Manning, another black pastor in the neighborhood of Obama's church and who knows them both says in videos online that the three men (including the choir director) were murdered because they knew too much about Obama.

Obama already favors partial birth abortion, even sponsored such legislation, also legislation to kill babies who survived an abortion. Kind of mean, don't you think? He's already announced that we are going to have to sacrifice. Sacrifice what? The last bit of liberty and freedom we have, meaning the right to at least speak our minds without fear of being hauled off to a torture dungeon?

The Bushes and Clintons have ever longer death lists of people who died untimely and strange deaths, "suicided."

McCain sold off his fellow POWs deliberately in a deal with North Vietnam. McCain's father was part of the carry out and cover-up of the infamous false flag attack on the USS Liberty by Israel during LBJ's watch. McCain is married into mafia. I suppose Mafia is not as bad as the international elite Luciferian killers and criminals closing up the escape hatches right now to their total control grid.

Biden is a sell-out, one of them.

The Palins are the only decent people in the lot. The best this country could ever possibly hope for would be for McCain to win and for her to take over as President in a short while. She would not roll over for the devil worshippers. They would have to kill her first. She's already proved her great courage when she stood up to the oil barrons in Alaska and pushed through legislation to build a pipeline and drill for the oil the oil companies refuse to drill for on the millions of oil reserves they have leased. They have killed people for much less than that.

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What Are You Guys On? Can I just Suggest You Cut Out The Aspartame and Sodium Fluoride
Posted by: opmoc on Oct 15, 2008 5:23 PM   
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And All The Rest of The POLLUTION You have to suffer in America

You ACTUALLY "ELECTED" Ha Ha By Your Doebold Voting Machines

GEORGE BUSH

I Mean For Fucks Sake

How Could You?

I'm Puzzled

Are You COMPLETELY stupid?

Just Wondering

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Strange Observation Re Obama Supporters
Posted by: salt-of-the-earth on Oct 15, 2008 6:15 PM   
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Obama supporters are really good at hurling vitriol and curses and names and insults at anybody who threatens his election, like Sarah Palin, and of course here on these forums those people critical of Obama are cussed out royally for their "stupidity" and "idiocy" and for being a "slimy troll," and other such original criticisms.

But not one time have I ever, in all the postings I've seen here, ever one time seen anybody say one thing good about Obama, other than he is NOT Sarah Palin or her husband or not McCain.

I'm just wondering if that is why the Obama supporters are so wild about him, because of who he's not, rather than who he is.

Considering that he is running as the Messiah, this does seem a bit strange that nobody has even one good thing to say about him.

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» there was a story awhile back Posted by: foreverhope
» Oh, I'm so glad you asked Posted by: foreverhope
» In his students own words Posted by: foreverhope
» And last but not least Posted by: foreverhope
Actually We Really Like Most Americans They Are INCREDIBLY Polite when they meet Me
Posted by: opmoc on Oct 15, 2008 7:07 PM   
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Like I am doing a High Definition Video of The Pelicans in Mykonos

And this lovely American Lady Dripping With Jewelry Just Off The Cruise Ship

Says is it O.K. If I stand Next To The Pelican

I have got her voice on video

I said O.K. - Not a Problem

And we met some really nice Americans at many other places throughout the Greek Islands

Well actually I think most of them were Canadians - but their accents seemed the same

Actually the place was almost completey flooded with Blonde Australian Girls who took all their clothes off at the nudist beach

Tony

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» lol tony! Posted by: foreverhope
Because All Our UK Governments Have Encouraged Mass Immigration
Posted by: opmoc on Oct 15, 2008 7:43 PM   
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London is The Most Multi-National-Racial-Cultural
Capital City In The World

And Us London Capitalists Realise That People From All Over The World Sre Just The Same

And Our Kids Travel

Not Just Our Kids - But All Normal Kids Who Just Go To Ordinary Comprhensive Schools Like Ours Get To Trabel All Over The World

Our Kids Earm Money By Doing Jobs Like Sweeping The Floor in McDonalds and save up their money


So that they can find out exactly what places in South America and Indonesia are really like

By meeting people in their countries across the world when they are still at school

And Americans think they can rule the World?

Americans know absolutely nothing about the world except maybe 20 miles from their town playing old style country music

Apart from behind the barrel of a gun

Wankers

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» Have you been drinking Tony? Posted by: foreverhope
So America Why Are You Building All These War Machines We Are NOT And Will NOT Be Terrorised By YOUi
Posted by: opmoc on Oct 15, 2008 8:35 PM   
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Why Don't Yor Rebuild The Towns and Cities and Infrastucture of America Instead

And I May Come and Visit You To See How You Are Getting On

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McBush stammered when asked if APPALLING PALIN was qualified
Posted by: orwellturns on Oct 15, 2008 10:04 PM   
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McBush couldn't really look at us answering the question during the 3rd debate tonight. HE KNOWS HE SCREWED UP choosing that APPALLING PALIN. He has shown us that he DOES NOT PUT COUNTRY FIRST by choosing a secessionist woman who doesn't even qualify to be called an American. What a farce.

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The American political process.
Posted by: wisegalah on Oct 15, 2008 10:20 PM   
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Watching the American electoral process is like watching a huge blind animal struggle for years in labour pains only for it to produce a stunted, brain-damaged parasite which then sucks the blood of its parent. Look at the damage the bush administration has done the the American economy, rule of law and its relations with the rest of the world, all the while enriching itself and its cronies. And who pays for it?

Your electoral system is an absolute farce for which the whole world is paying too high a price. It throws up people who are morally and psychologically defective (bush, mccain, nixon, etc). It breeds the ultimately self defeating (principally because is destructive of the whole planet) beliefs like that of American exceptualism. This is the conviction that because of its power America is exempt from any moral or political constraints in its dealings with other nations.

Get rid of the primary system.
Adopt a system like that of the British parliament but which has a preferential voting system. The first past the post system cements the corrupt (republican party) and the incompetent (democratic party) in place with no possibility of any challenge from a third force.

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Laughingstock of the World
Posted by: macdon1 on Oct 15, 2008 10:35 PM   
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Other countries look at our politics these days and see an episode of Saturday Night Live. We have become ridiculous in the eyes of the world and are not respected. It is becoming embarrassing to be an American and people are even saying they are Canadian when they travel to avoid problems.

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Mr. Palin, as Mr. Clinton, running around White House
Posted by: danielet on Oct 16, 2008 2:03 PM   
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Republican Candidate Romney expressed grave worry over "Bill Cinton running around the White House with nothing to do".....well, imagine the Snow [mobile] King as "First Vice-Dude" running around the White House with nothing to do. Mr. Romney has privately expressed this worry among Republican big makas. And their response was that he shouldn't worry because "that loose testicle" McCain is as good as gone. I hope the Republican leadership does not end up as surprised as the rest of us. But given all the racist and "Muslim" e-mails I'm getting from the Republican "base"-- on offical GOV stationary (there is criminal larceny in there)-- you never know what will happen if the young don't match their registering with their voting and if the old whites keep insisting: "I don't want a ni--ger in the *White* House."

On the other hand, If Obama wins, it will prove to the world that Americans are indeed great because they are the people who most learn from their mistakes and most embrace CHANGE....I pray that Obama will be safe to triumph in November on behalf of the better side of the American nation, long hidden in the dark. McCain will finally realize that you can defecate on some of the people some of the time, but NO MATTER HOW FULL OF SH-T MCCAIN IS, he can't defecate on all of the people all of the time.

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In the 5th paragraph down...
Posted by: jvaljon1 on Oct 16, 2008 2:04 PM   
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...I meant to say 200,000,000 -- instead I put a dollar-sign in front of it. I was talking about the 200,000,000 PEOPLE 18+--NOT $200,000,000.00 DOLLARS.

It's easy to make mistakes when dealing with that many people and that many zeroes. I sure hope somebody can correct my math--it took me a few days and access to a Library computer, to check it all out.

I'd hate to think that--instead of this kind of bailout--(and remember, that's ONLY the $85,000,000,000.00 for AIG--NOT the 7 billion or, now the additional 3 billion being demanded by Hank Paulson of Treasury)--that We The People--instead of being given the AIG dividend--are going to have to instead, agree to this massive Grand Theft America, without even the pocket-change "We Deserve It" dividend, that I just outlined.

YOU go check THAT out, LeeAnnG.

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Love that "Good Book"
Posted by: GPFrank on Oct 16, 2008 8:21 PM   
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According to himself and the "Good Book" it is the prerogative and duty of a husband to interfere in his wife's affairs. And how safe it is for a woman to be a "kept" woman.

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revokin
Posted by: lenteach on Oct 18, 2008 10:25 AM   
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sarah palin is the manchurian candidate. she is going to be president and McCain will be disposed of,one way or another.america is on the brink of chaos and doesn't know it. bush/cheney was chapter one- this is just beginning.McCain is so old and sick and doesn't grasp what is at stake or going on around him. He is being manipulated by dark forces beyond his control or knowledge. He is just a washington politician with ordinary impulses for power, but this goes way beyond that.

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Ah, Be-spectacled Horizons!!
Posted by: talkville on Oct 19, 2008 1:25 AM   
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These Palins sure are intersting. Sarah wears glasses. They seem to have grown up in a small town, which no doubt provides many joys and rewards for great numbers of people. They like this small-town way of looking at things and upholding.

They seem to want to ignore or deny outright: the country and the planet are not Wasilla.

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Do the math again, please!
Posted by: LeeAnnG on Oct 20, 2008 9:20 AM   
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Divide even 700 billion by 200 million (the approximate number of adults you have cited), and you get $3,500. A far cry from $450,000.

Using the 85 billion in your estimate, and you get only $425 per person. (The British billion is different from the American billion, so that may be where your problem lies, but even looking at the zeros in your reply, it looks like your math is way off.) A U.S. billion is 1,000 million, by the way.

See, here's how you do it:
seven hundred billion = $700,000,000,000
two hundred million = 200,000,000

Take away the extra zeros and you get
7,000/2 = 3,500

Here's your (even smaller) estimate:

$85 billion = $85,000,000,000.00
200 million = 200,000,000
(don't forget that the decimal doesn't count)

Take away the extra zeros, and you get:

850/2 = $425

Hm.

Oops. Not $450,000. Not even close.

The rest of the suggestions for this solution don't even matter, given that it really, really, really is NOT $450,000 per adult. It really, really, really is only between $450 and $3,500.

Figure it out again.

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