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Election 2008

Maybe Now People Will Take Their Votes More Seriously

By Bob Herbert, The New York Times. Posted October 12, 2008.


For the nitwits who vote for the man or woman they'd most like to have over for dinner, I suggest you take a look at how well your 401(k) is doing.
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The lesson for Americans suffused with anxiety and dread over the crackup of the financial markets is that the way you vote matters, that there are real-world consequences when you go into a voting booth and cast that ballot.

For the nitwits who vote for the man or woman they'd most like to have over for dinner, or hang out at a barbecue with, I suggest you take a look at how well your 401(k) is doing, or how easy it will be to meet the mortgage this month, or whether the college fund you've been trying to build for your kids is as robust as you'd like it to be.

Voters in the George W. Bush era gave the Republican Party nearly complete control of the federal government. Now the financial markets are in turmoil, top government and corporate leaders are on the verge of panic and scholars are dusting off treatises that analyzed the causes of the Great Depression.

Mr. Bush was never viewed as a policy or intellectual heavyweight. But he seemed like a nicer guy to a lot of voters than Al Gore.

It's not just the economy. While the United States has been fighting a useless and irresponsible war in Iraq, Afghanistan -- the home base of the terrorists who struck us on 9/11 -- has been allowed to fall into a state of chaos. Osama bin Laden is still at large. New Orleans is still on its knees. And so on.

Voting has consequences.

I don't for a moment think that the Democratic Party has been free of egregious problems. But there are two things I find remarkable about the G.O.P., and especially its more conservative wing, which is now about all there is.

The first is how wrong conservative Republicans have been on so many profoundly important matters for so many years. The second is how the G.O.P. has nevertheless been able to persuade so many voters of modest means that its wrongheaded, favor-the-rich, country-be-damned approach was not only good for working Americans, but was the patriotic way to go.

Remember voodoo economics? That was the derisive term George H.W. Bush used for Ronald Reagan's fantasy that he could simultaneously increase defense spending, cut taxes and balance the budget. After Reagan became president (with Mr. Bush as his vice president) the budget deficit -- surprise, surprise -- soared.

In a moment of unusual candor, Reagan's own chairman of the Council of Economic Advisers, Martin Feldstein, gave three reasons for the growth of the deficit: the president's tax cuts, the increased defense spending and the interest on the expanding national debt.

These were the self-proclaimed fiscal conservatives who were behaving so profligately. The budget was balanced and a surplus realized under Bill Clinton, but soon the "fiscal conservatives" were back in the driver's seat. "Deficits don't matter," said Dick Cheney, and the wildest, most reckless of economic rides was on.

Americans, including the Joe Sixpacks, soccer moms and hockey moms, were repeatedly told that the benefits lavished on the highfliers would trickle down to them. Someday.

Just as they were wrong about trickle down, conservative Republican politicians and their closest buddies in the commentariat have been wrong on one important national issue after another, from Social Security (conservatives opposed it from the start and have been trying to undermine it ever since) to Medicare (Ronald Reagan saw it as the first wave of socialism) to the environment, energy policy and global warming.

When the Nobel Prize in Chemistry was awarded to the discoverers of the link between chlorofluorocarbons and ozone depletion, Tom DeLay, a Republican who would go on to wield enormous power as majority leader in the House, mocked the award as the "Nobel Appeasement Prize."

Mr. Reagan, the ultimate political hero of so many Republicans, opposed the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965. In response to the historic Brown v. Board of Education school-desegregation ruling, William F. Buckley, the ultimate intellectual hero of so many Republicans, asserted that whites, being superior, were well within their rights to discriminate against blacks.

"The White community is so entitled," he wrote, "because, for the time being, it is the advanced race…" He would later repudiate that sentiment, but only after it was clear that his racist view was harmful to himself.

The G.O.P. has done a great job masking the terrible consequences of much that it has stood for over the decades. Now the mask has slipped. As we survey the wreckage of the American economy and the real-life suffering associated with the financial crackup of 2008, it would be well for voters to draw upon the lessons of history and think more seriously about the consequences of the ballots they may cast in the future.

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What kind of trash is this? Nothing about 3rd/Independent parties !
Posted by: maxpayne on Oct 12, 2008 2:27 PM   
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The only way either one of these two parties will take voters seriously is when 3rd parties get their say. And it's high fucking time the voters reformed their CORN-FED brains and gave Progressive/Independent candidates such as Nader and Mckinney a chance. And I wouldn't mind Paul or Kucinich if only those two would have the courage to LEAVE the GOP and Dems ! Maybe a united INDEPENDENT Party is sorely needed these days.

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The NY Times died on 9/11
Posted by: weathered on Oct 12, 2008 3:00 PM   
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its spirit got crushed in its own rubble.

A country that lies to itself marginalizes itself.

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What's the point in voting in America?
Posted by: Cathyc on Oct 12, 2008 3:30 PM   
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or any other Dictatorship, for that matter.

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» I don't vote - it just encourages `em! Posted by: MartianBachelor
Regrettable word choice/the "alter" in AlterNet
Posted by: SBean on Oct 12, 2008 4:03 PM   
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Calling his target audience "nitwits"--not smart, Herbert.

Maxpayne has a point about "3rd" parties. I've yet to see AlterNet cover Barr, McKinney, or Nader--or their messages/platforms (some polling numbers and a press release from the Nader campaign on the financial bailout, otherwise nothing substantive, despite numerous mentions in comments.)

I don't expect the NY Times to contradict their corporate supporters, but AlterNet has really failed to live up to its own reputed standards in this regard: 1) it "does not make political endorsements". Not covering other parties' candidates is a de facto endorsement of the Democratic ticket, given what is presented. 2) From the AlterNet Mission Statement: "Our aim is to stimulate, inform, and instigate." You fail by reason of omission.

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we can hope & VIDEOCAM WHAT HAPPENS.
Posted by: BlueBerry PickN on Oct 12, 2008 8:26 PM   
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study up on your local rules.
really.
hard.
its time YOU become your best local authority on voting.

...then do something about it.

ARRIVE WITH FIVE & bring a F*CKING VIDEOCAM

find out what you need to do.

then do it.

not hard. go on... why are you still sitting there?

don't you have something you should be doing RIGHT NOW?

go... GO NOW... get that planning started: organize JUST FIVE PEOPLE to go together...


Spread Love, not corporate dependence...

BlueBerry Pick'n
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"... tolerance of intolerance is cowardice..." ~ Ayaan Hirsi Ali.
"We, two, form a Multitude" ~ Ovid.
"Violence can only be concealed by a Lie, & the Lie can only be maintained by Violence." ... "Any man who has once proclaimed violence as his method is inevitably forced to take the lie as his principle" – Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn "
Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." - Voltaire
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"Silent Freedom is Freedom Silenced"

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The relevance of "THE VOTE" in The Empire
Posted by: chlamor on Oct 12, 2008 9:30 PM   
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Voting is not an act of political freedom. It is an act of political conformity. Those who refuse to vote are not expressing silence. They are screaming in the politician’s ear: "You do not represent me. This is not a process in which my voice matters. I do not believe you."

Non-voting has a rich and long history through which the dissenting electorate has expressed everything from religious convictions to political cynicism.

Who makes the decisions in our society?

Who writes public policy?

Years of social engineering has caused people to be deluded on this matter.

The White House and Congress don’t really make the decisions, Wall Street and the Pentagon do.

Who wins the election makes no difference because all politicians must do what the elite want. Elections are a scam whose function is to neutralize resistance movements and dupe ordinary citizens into thinking they have a say in matters of the state.


Elections do not secure popular control over the state, they do help secure state control over the populace. Voting is a ritual that reinforces obedience to state authority. It creates the illusion that “the people” control the state, thereby masking elite rule. That illusion makes rebellion against the state less likely because it is seen as a legitimate institution and as an instrument of popular rule rather than the oligarchy it really is. This is why even totalitarian states like Russia under Stalin had elections. Embedded within all electoral campaigns is the myth that “the people” control the state through voting.

No matter who is nominated & elected, the policy will be endless war & military spending, further upward transfers of wealth, with the corporate elite controlling news coverage & essentially writing all legislation.

But this policy can be cloaked under 2 different costumes. If a Democrat is elected, as seems likely, the foregoing will take place with more smiles, and more pseudo-liberal rationales. Obama will claim to be introducing "health care for the people," or "protecting the environment," or some such BS. The militarism will be presented in milder tones, emphasizing themes like "stabilization" rather than "killing our enemies."

On the other hand, if the president is McCain, there will be no smiley face. There will be more in-your-face militarism, with overtly blood-thirsty rhetoric. There will be more blatant pandering to the Religious Right.

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» You've got it backwards Posted by: MartianBachelor
It's all the same car!
Posted by: Karl.Ben on Oct 13, 2008 5:13 AM   
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It's the NY Times - what do you expect. They again totally miss the 500lb gorilla in the room.

The real point is next time you go into the voting booth ask yourself is there any REAL difference between parties or is it really a Chevy made to look like a Caddy!

We have been conditioned and sold on the two party system so they can change hands every 8 years, more or less at times, and continue down the same path - hod money for themselves, acept payoff is many forms so coropration top dogs can get rich and ultimately we have to pay the price for their failures.

Any worker would be fired for their performance, why arent they?

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The poor vote against their own interests
Posted by: BobRoberts on Oct 13, 2008 5:34 AM   
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because everyone in America thinks that someday they will be rich. Therefor they don't want to pass any laws that would reduce their wealth and power, they think they would be voting against themselves.

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Let me explain it to white people
Posted by: nfamous on Oct 13, 2008 8:42 AM   
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There are two kinds of white people in the world: 1) White people that value money more than race and 2) White people that value race more than money. The white people that have no money value race more than money because they don't have any money. Their only connection to rich white people is through their skin. That is why many of them will always vote for programs and policies that hurt them because it is more important for them to hurts blacks and other people of color than it is for them to help themselves. In short, they hate us more than they love themselves. It is a sickness.

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Democrats = Republicans
Posted by: centure7 on Oct 13, 2008 6:59 PM   
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The idea that Democrats are any more interested in paying down our debt or properly legislating the economy is flatly delusional. Both parties are composed almost entirely of criminally negligent idiots, and AlterNet is a dumb organization for not recognizing this simple fact. Did AlterNet ever even notice that under CLINTON our debt grew by about 1 TRILLION dollars? 1 TRILLION dollars!!! My God that is almost criminally negligent. Who voted for that ridiculous loser? Alternet is so foolish to believe the debt would be any lower if Democrats were in charge. Anyone who votes Republican or Democrat is voting for irresponsibility.

Does it bother AlterNet authors that under both Repubicans AND Democrats the federal tax code is over 7 million words? No. It should, but it does not. AlterNet looks like a ridiculous organization when they go around attacking the Repubican party and forgetting that the Democrats are no better at all.

Make no mistake about it, the federal government should have 10 trillion dollars in savings right now, not 10 trillion in debt. We are (were) the richest nation on Earth until a vast number of a-hole sheep voters decided to let congress get away with spending instead of saving in times of prosperity. I don't know who these horrible citizens are, but I suspect they are AlterNet writers who think Democrats want to help them out by giving them massive debts.

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