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Election 2008

Barack Obama's Team Believes He Can Win by a Landslide

By Tim Shipman, The Telegraph (UK). Posted October 1, 2008.


Obama's senior aides believe he is on course for a landslide victory over McCain and will comfortably exceed most current electoral vote projections.
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Their optimism, which is said to be shared by the Democratic candidate himself, is based on information from private polling and on faith in the powerful political organization he has built in the key swing states.

Insiders say that Mr Obama's apparent calm through an unusually turbulent election season is because he believes that his strength among first time voters in several key states has been underestimated, both by the media and by the Republican Party.

Mr Obama has come under fire from within Democratic ranks over his message and his tactics. Critics say he has failed to connect with the blue-collar workers seen as crucial to winning the election, and too reluctant to make direct attacks on Mr McCain.

But his aides are convinced that he has a strong chance of winning no fewer than nine states won by George W.Bush in the closely contested 2000 election, including former Republican strongholds like North Carolina, Virginia and even Indiana, which have not voted Democrat for a generation.

David Axelrod, Obama's chief strategist, said last week that Obama had "a lot of opportunity" in states which Mr Bush won four years ago.

But in private briefings in Washington, a member of Mr Obama's inner circle of policy advisers went much further in spelling out why the campaign's working assumptions far exceed the expectations of independent observers.

"Public polling companies and the media have underestimated the scale of new Democratic voters registration in these states," the campaign official told a friend. "We're much stronger on the ground in Virginia and North Carolina than people realize. If we get out the vote this may not be close at all."

To win the presidency, Mr Obama must win 270 votes in the Electoral College, which awards votes to the winner of each state broadly in proportion to the size of the population.

Statewide surveys put the likely Electoral College result at a slender Obama win, 273-265. But his campaign staff believe they have a good chance of securing between 330 and 340 votes, and could win up to 364 votes, a landslide on the scale of Bill Clinton's wins.

The senior Obama advisor said that the Democratic nominee is confident of winning all the states held by John Kerry, the Democratic candidate four years ago, a total of 252 votes.

But his team believes he can also bank victories in Iowa, where he first emerged as a force in the campaign in January, and New Mexico, where Mr Kerry only lost by 20,000 votes in 2004. Those states would leave him just six votes short of outright victory.

Taking Colorado, as Mr Obama's team are very confident of doing, would put him over the top. Even winning the smaller state of Nevada, with its five electoral votes, would be enough to guarantee a 269-269 tie with Mr McCain. If that happens, the US Constitution would hand the decision over to the Democrat dominated US House of Representatives, which would presumably come down in Mr Obama's favor.

Most pollsters would regard those expectations as uncontroversial. But the Obama camp is also confident of winning Ohio and Virginia, which commentators believe are "toss up" states with the two candidates chances at 50/50.

Last week Mr Obama began investing heavily in advertizing in Indiana, Florida and North Carolina, which many had supposed to be a waste of time and money.

A Washington official who has discussed the electoral mathematics with one of Mr Obama's senior advisers told The Sunday Telegraph that the campaign is spending money only in states which it believes can, and indeed ought to, be won.

"Obama has many more paths to the nomination than McCain," the source said. "They think they can defend the Kerry states. Iowa is gone. That's five votes. New Mexico is in the bag. Then Obama has four or five different ways of winning. He can go Nevada or Colorado, Virginia, any of those, even Indiana.

"McCain has got to run the board, the whole Bush table. He can probably lose New Mexico and Iowa. He can't afford to lose anything else."

The official added: "The poll numbers say Florida's back in play. McCain hasn't spent a single penny there and that's Obama's calculation, that he can capitalise on that. The Republicans can't lose Florida or they're done for."

Conventional wisdom among pollsters is that Mr Obama is at risk of losing both Michigan and Pennsylvania and possibly even Wisconsin, all large Kerry states whose loss would be a damaging blow.

But the Obama camp believes that Wisconsin in safe and that he has strengthened his position in Pennsylvania with a good ground operation. Michigan, home of the Reagan Democrats, is a concern because Mr Obama did not campaign there in the primaries and race relations are raw, but they are confident they can hang on to his slender lead in the polls.

Mainstream pollsters on both sides of the aisle last week called the election as a dead heat. Mark Mellman, who was John Kerry's polling guru, said the 2008 election is "increasingly resembling the real map of 2004" and Matthew Dowd, a top strategist on Bush's re-election campaign, added: "States that were reliably red are reliably red, and states that were reliably blue are reliably blue."

But Mr Obama's campaign team reject that analysis. Their confidence that good organization will more than compensate for latent racism will be reassuring to some Democrats, who were concerned by a poll last weekend that found Mr Obama would be six points higher in the polls if he were white.

The scale of their ambition will trouble those Democratic sceptics who consider Mr Obama's aides to be complacent and inexperienced in national campaigns.

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He'd fuckin' better win...
Posted by: DR. LARRY MITCHELL on Oct 1, 2008 1:42 AM   
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...or this nation is dead in the water.

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It's just this kind of thinking...
Posted by: huricane on Oct 1, 2008 2:08 AM   
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that allowed 2000 and 2004 to be stolen.

Sure, maybe the poll numbers are good, and the word from the street is good, but it's not going to matter a damn if the actual vote count is close enough that they can pull off a three-fer. And their best cover for that is reasonably close exit polling.

I hate to beat a dead horse again, but if the exit polls show 70/30 for Obama, a vote count showing 49.2/50.8 for the Dipstick and Lipstick ticket is going to raise a lot of difficult questions.

Nobody, and I do mean nobody, can afford to get complacent about any part of this campaign, right from the national tv buys to the local doorknocking. It's no exaggeration to say that the future of America will depend on this election, so the afterburners have to get lit up and stay lit right up till voting day.

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» RE: It's just this kind of thinking... Posted by: Digital Gentleman
Landslide obstacles: Bigotry and the Judas Factor
Posted by: NoMcCainPalin on Oct 1, 2008 2:11 AM   
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Last week I watched Bill Clinton pimp for John McCain on the "View" TV show

Not surprisingly, he failed to attack McCain. Instead, Slick Willie damn near endorsed the senile senior citizen.

More recently, during another network interview, Clinton made a half-hearted criticism of McCain that Politico commentator Roger Simon called "quarter-hearted."

Simon then expressed the same opinion as mine: Bill wants Obama to lose the election so his wife can run again in 2012.

For AlterNet readers who have forgotten about the REAL President Clinton, he's a self-serving, womanizing, greedy bastard who pushed NAFTA and took $500,000 from the Arabs for a weekend's work lobbying for Dubai's takeover of our major seaports.

The slimy son of a bitch should crawl back to Hope, Arkansas, and hide under a rock where he belongs.

As for bigotry, some pundits believe Obama needs at least a 10-point lead in the polls to overcome Democratic and independent racists. Hopefully they will come to their senses before November 4th and realize that half black is better than 100% old.

One more thing for NEW AlterNet visitors. If you are an undecided voter, learn the truth about Old Man McCain and his so-called "heroic" war record) by clicking on: Vote Against McCain (one of the HOTTEST anti-McCain sites on the Web)

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» One break... Posted by: schiffer
Did I read this before?
Posted by: F-Abdolian on Oct 1, 2008 3:20 AM   
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I think it was right before 2004 election , that someone said the same thing!

Good luck folks, I hope you are right, but you are under-estimating the power of religious nut-cases, racists and the programmers of the voting machines :)

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Balance
Posted by: Shey on Oct 1, 2008 3:37 AM   
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Let's balance a pragmatic awareness of the ability of the American people to be petty, racist and just plain stupid, with the confident knowledge that Obama is the smartest candidate since JFK, running possibly the smartest campaign ever.

Don't stop working toward victory, remain alert to the dirty tricks for which the Republicans are famous, but please stay positive, as well. McCain's campaign has become a total train wreck, with Sarah Palin at the wheel.
There is real hope, this time.

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» RE: Balance - AGREED! Posted by: blurider
» RE: Balance - AGREED! Posted by: michael1972
The author is another typical European who still thinks that a Blair/Clinton "Democrat" will win !
Posted by: maxpayne on Oct 1, 2008 3:40 AM   
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Excuse me but America ain't no Europe. First of all, people are trained to vote with their emotions and after Obama threw his base under, he pretty much lost it all. Second, Europeans who think Democrats are any different from the GOP are the DUMB ones. I see that if I try to bring up 3rd parties, they're just as DUMB DUMB DUMB as the Democrats who keep blaming Nader and not themselves. I just happen to live in a swing state, VA, and I tried to convince myself to vote for Obama but vote after vote issue after issue, Obama FUCKING BLEW it. And if you Europeans think Obama's gonna bring peace, then you people out there are fucking DUMB DUMB DUMB !

P.S.: As a matter of fact, all US military bases all over the world must be removed since they're nothing but a waste of taxpayer money and other countries can take care of themselves. Chuck Baldwin, Constitutional candidate for President, couldn't have said it better that defense spending should be used for homeland only and not outside the country. If Germany or Saudi Arabia for example collapses, then let them collapse and rebuild themselves.

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» Chuck Baldwin???????????!!!! Posted by: Carol Burns
Sorry, this comment has been removed from the system.
» Democrats Stink Posted by: vkobaya1
» For Another Point Of View Posted by: eskit
I believe he will win by a Landslide too for he is
Posted by: niliadis on Oct 1, 2008 4:10 AM   
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ssociated with Acorn.... but not with my vote!
and why you might ask..Let's get informed...
All Obama's associations: Google them! Wow scary?
Google Obama Ayers
Google Obama Khalid al-Mansour
Google Obama Donald Warden
Google Obama Mohammed Hasan Chandoo
Google Obama Rezko
Google Obama Saul Alinski
Google Obama Wright
Google Obama Khalidi
Google Obama Malcolm X
Google Obama Alwaleed bin Talal
Google Obama Farrakhan
Google Obama Woods Fund
Google Obama Red Party
Google Obama ACCORN
Do we need to know more? Risky Obama-thanks but no thanks...

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» Fear Itself. Posted by: grindermonkey
Why McCain can win
Posted by: Julian on Oct 1, 2008 4:08 AM   
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Obama has never really laid a glove on him. On the really critical issues Obama has clicked his heels and gone yessir. As Kerry did before him - and lost. And Gore before that. Fascist legislation? Not an issue. Ballot fraud? Not an issue. Signing statements? Not an issue. WMD lies? Not an issue. Blowing Plame's cover? Not an issue. 9-11 coverup? Not an issue. Massive list of indictable crimes? Not an issue. Monumental $700 billion gift to the wealthy thieves for trashing the economy? Not an issue - the political class, Obama included, have joined hands against the people to rescue the bankers who can then resume their life of larceny. The list of supposed non-issues goes on and on until there isn't an actual issue beyond style left. So it will go down to the wire - easily close enough for electoral fraud and the courts to do the rest. A further leakage may result because of the professional politicians’ closing of ranks with each other and with the thieving bankers - repelling more votes towards Nader and McKinney who really deserve people’s votes. There’s only a month left in which to try to recruit Obama to the side of the people and his class loyalties seem too strong for that. Hope I’m wrong.

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» RE: Why McCain can win Posted by: 911FalseFlag
the 2008 election will be hacked like the last two
Posted by: 911FalseFlag on Oct 1, 2008 4:16 AM   
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I cannot say it any better than Mr. Spoonamore. Spoonamore is a GOP member and a lifelong Republican, having worked on election campaigns with Rudy Giuliani and Michael Bloomberg. He also has 20 years worth of experience in encrypted and networked communications systems for banks, TV, telecommunications, EMS, Military and other uses.

please go to my website, www.911insidejob.net and watch him talk about how obvious and insidious the current electronic voting machine situation is. It is unbelievable that Obama supporters do not remember what happened to John Kerry four years ago. It is unbelievable that John Kerry did nothing about it. They're all complicit.

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NOT WITH MY VOTE!!!
Posted by: niliadis on Oct 1, 2008 4:27 AM   
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Not with our vote!
interesting: scary!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3zzFwtctLQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3zzFwtctLQ
AND.....
Obama & Infanticide "When he was in the state senate, Barack Obama worked hard against a bill that would provide health care for a baby who survived an abortion…. This is called 'selective infanticide'.... There’s been a media cover-up on this…" -May 15, 2008The Catholic League has been getting many phone calls and e-mails regarding Sen. Obama’s support for infanticide. To read more about how, while in the Illinois state senate, Obama led the fight to deny medical care to infants born alive as a result of botched abortions and let them die unaided in hospital rooms, check out the links below:Mona Charen, National Review Online, 9-19-08: "Deniers for Obama"
The media is bias and like to put blinders on the American People and the weak of minds let thier minds be manipulated....Thanks but no Thanks on Risky Obama...

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» RE: NOT WITH MY VOTE!!! Posted by: jedens
» GOP operative niliadis Posted by: leafsong1
There is no question in my mind.
Posted by: Opinionator on Oct 1, 2008 4:31 AM   
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That the loathsome Republican Dirty Tricks team will try anything to win. And I sure hope the Obama team is prepared. However, let's not count our chicks until the eggs hatch on Election Day.

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An Obama Loss Could Mean Civil War
Posted by: salt-of-the-earth on Oct 1, 2008 4:45 AM   
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Even if he loses legitimately. Why would anybody want to vote for somebody who already has a death list started, and from his own church no less.

All he promises is "change." Does he promise to end the Patriot Act, to pull out hte troops, to do ANYTHING to save the country, other than his vage promises for "tax cuts?"

Change we can believe in? Meaning of course, believe in Barack? After all, he heals people, right?

Even some blacks are saying he is the antichrist. And he is threatening people now with arrest if they criticize him, and he's not even in power yet. What will happen when he's in power? Will it be death, torture, or will people just get beat up for criticizing him?

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» RE: An Obama Loss Could Mean Civil War Posted by: salt-of-the-earth
» RE: An Obama Loss Could Mean Civil War Posted by: QuestionAuthority
» RE: An Obama Loss Could Mean Civil War Posted by: salt-of-the-earth
» RE: An Obama Loss Could Mean Civil War Posted by: salt-of-the-earth
» Quotes and evidence Posted by: Beck
» Yeah! Bring it! Posted by: kimbari
Not so fast...
Posted by: BST on Oct 1, 2008 5:43 AM   
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McCain and Palin have an enormously good chance of sweeping Obama, so do not be complacent anyone. My statement is based on 50 years (since I was a young teen) of parsing every election that's come along, so I've gotten pretty good at it without the help of MSM nor polls nor good vibes from candidate camps. Do NOT underestimate the public for its ability to make poor decisions based on inconsequentials, a deficit of knowledge, information and commonsense.

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Exactly Why I Named My Blog, "Obama in a Landslide!"
Posted by: itzamirakul on Oct 1, 2008 5:49 AM   
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When I went to the Obama website a few weeks ago, I opted to start a blog on which to make comments. I chose to name my blog, "Obama in a Landslide!" to point out the fact that in order to keep the GOP from stealing this election as they have done the last two, Obama must win by such large numbers that it is impossible to manipulate and steal. We must pass this thought on until it is instilled in every mind.

Give full attention to the financial crisis and the GOP WILL STEAL THE ELECTION WHILE YOU ARE DISTRACTED.

Give full attention to the election and the CORPORATE LOBBY and THEIR FRIENDS i.e. CROOKED POLITICIANS WILL STEAL THE ENTIRE U.S. TREASURY.

You've got to give full attention to BOTH!

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I agree....
Posted by: AnIndependentThinker on Oct 1, 2008 5:52 AM   
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...with your overview of Clinton and his self-preserving kiss-up to the senile, makeup-plastered fool on national television...almost made me throw up.

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» RE: I agree....in reply to NoMcCainPalin Posted by: AnIndependentThinker
God help us...
Posted by: AnIndependentThinker on Oct 1, 2008 6:01 AM   
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if Obama does not win. I thought Cheney & Co. were bad, but McCheney and Scary Sarah scare the b'jesus out of me.

These two are even more of an economic, theocratic, fascist, unethical, fanatical, immoral, illogical, war-mongering, disillusioned and ill-informed wrecking crew; who will turn this country into a barren wasteland.

Given that the polls are so high in Obama's favor, one can assume that he should win the election; however, if for some reason McCheney and his ditzy side-kick pull the rug from under the American voters using the same cheat & steal tactics that were used in the past -- I think that the American people won't stand for it. There will be a massive uprising of epic proportions; and when this happens, this new society of liberal thinkers will show the repugnant party what a revolution really is.

No way, no how, No McCheney & Scary Sarah.

Obama/Biden '08

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Its raining trolls
Posted by: SENILEBIKER on Oct 1, 2008 6:17 AM   
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Wow - that headline certainly shook the trolls out of their trees.

Let's get back to some simple facts.

1) All the tracking polls have Obama up by around 5 points or more, which is more than the MOE.

2) McSame is thrashing around like a fish on a line - I'm suspending my suspension because I have brokered a deal - ooops spoke too soon.

3) Voter registrations are through the roof in the "new" battleground states, and are overwhelmingly Dem or independent See stats for North Carolina. These folks are not being surveyed as the pollsters are not using voter registers in real time, but data bases that are older.

4) Palin is a walkimg train wreck when it comes to undecided voters - too fundy, too inexperienced and simply, when she opens her mouth - too stupid.

5) McSame is a continuation of Bush - its an easy sell, and Bush's approval ratings are sinking as i write this (Who would have thought that possible?)

Having said that, people shouldn't be complacent - there is the underlying racial effect, and lets be honest - the GOP has shown its ability and willingness to cook the books through Diebold, caging and other practices.

For the sake of the other 95% OF THE WORLD'S POPULATION make sure that Obama's margin is so high that it can't be gamed.

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» BRILLIANT! Bless you Biker! Posted by: foreverhope
Over Confident
Posted by: vkobaya1 on Oct 1, 2008 6:28 AM   
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More than anyone, I would love to see Obama win 70-30% over McCain. But to assume that they can do that and therefore can afford to slack off and not hit McCain as hard as possible is a strategy about as foolish and dangerous as if Eisenhower had decided that the Allied mechanistic advantage were too great for the Germans and therefore we ought to stop producing tanks, airplanes and carriers so we don't hurt the German ego too much. Sometimes I think Obama is more afraid of hurting McCain than he is of losing. Or maybe he is afraid that if he wins by too great a margin the Republicans are going to call him an uppity, elitist N-----.

If he wins by a massive landslide that maybe the best thing ever to happen to this nation. But it ain't going to happen. The dirty tricks McCain has up his sleeve that he will use before November 4 are so revolting, that he truly deserves to lose with only 2 votes in the entire nation for him, his and Sarah Palin's.

You know by the last week of the campaign, the TV ads are going to be screaming that we don't want a N----- running this country and that George Washington and Thomas Jefferson would turn over in their graves if Obama wins. And by November, there will be billboards plastered all across America featuring that picture of Obama in native African dress that was brought to us care of the Clintons.

Additionally, the Republicans aren't going to give up their Diebold advantage or their disgusting efforts to disenfranchise any minority group that just might favor Obama. As we saw in Indiana, they didn't even mind disenfranchising elderly Catholic nuns. How many boxes of votes from Asian, African, Hispanic, Jewish and other minority communities will end up in the landfill instead of the election headquarters. How many of those minority communities will be intimidated with phone calls saying they will serve prison time if they vote.

And don't forget all those closet racists who don't mind voting for the Democrats as long as the candidate looks like them, but can't stand the idea of an African American occupying the White House, Oval Office and the bedroom where Lincoln slept. They even acknowledge that Obama is probably the smartest candidate to run for the office in many, many long years, more capable, more articulate, intelligent, trustworthy, loyal, courteous, kind, cheerful, obedient, thrifty, brave, clean and reverent, while McCain is the opposite. Yet, they'd rather have McCain as their president even though they acknowledge he is going to not only take the country into the toilet, but pull the handle.

Obama has to have at least a 20% advantage to overcome the Republican dirty tricks, voter fraud and racism.

There is an old, old, old saying that is extremely applicable. It says, "Don't count your chickens before they hatch."

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» RE: Over Confident Posted by: SENILEBIKER
» RE: Over Confident Posted by: vkobaya1
» RE: Over Confident Posted by: radical53
Why would anyone vote for McCain?
Posted by: kmcd on Oct 1, 2008 6:33 AM   
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I don't get it -- ask yourself: has your net worth improved over the last 8 years? Because my sure hasn't -- and yet, McCain has voted 90% of the time in line with Bush and his policies.

So why would anyone vote for McCain?

Seriously -- how much debt do you want to rack up for our kids and grandchildren? How many wars do you want to start based on a pack of lies that end up killing thousands of our guys and bankrupting our economy? How much more do you want to trash our environment to build the coffers of the president's cronies?

I don't get it -- McCain voted 90% -- hell, 90% of the time in favor of Bush's policies. So what do we have for that? Every branch of the government has ballooned over the last 8 years. We have the highest deficits and trade deficits in our history. Unemployment is high; wages haven't increased; and cost of living (forget gas -- the cost of a loaf of bread and a gallon of milk is $4)continue to increase. One in 400 homes is in foreclosure. We're in a war that has cost us over 4,000 lives -- just those who have died in Iraq -- it doesn't count those who have died the minute they've left Iraq. We no longer have habeus corpus, our individual rights have been eroded and our state's rights are next to nil. We're torturing people as we speak. The Exeuctive Branch has more power in our history. The first 2 quarters of this year, the stock market dropped 14% -- historic proportions. We're bailing out Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac -- which was privatized by the Bush government; we're bailing out AIG (they've donated over $50,000 to McCain) to tune of $85B; we're bankrolling Bear Sterns; and we're now going to have a $700B bailout package. And McCain -- he was one of the original Keating Five -- remember the $125M (that was huge at the time) taxpayor bailout for the Savings & Loan industry in the early '90s (old Cindy and her pops invested $380M into one of Keatings shopping malls and No earmarks, McCain boondoggled 8 trips courtesy of his buddy Keating to "see" the mall). McCain voted against increasing the minimum wage 19x -- and he now says that he's for the Middle class? He was voted in 2007 by the Children's Defense Fund The Worst Senator for his voting record on children's issues - -and now he's the Family Values guy? He voted against the Marthin luther King holiday 4x -- and he's a friend of the African American community. He has been the poster boy for Deregulation -- and now he's the "regulator" ---

Are you KIDDING me?

Why would you vote for McCain? Are you just that stupid -- that racist -- that pathetic? Are you like Bush -- loyal to your convictions even when your convictions are wrong? Are you just such an angry person that you're willing to hurt yourself to hurt someone else?

If you were a "real" Republican, you should be spitting nails. Bush and McCainn don't believe in republican ideology -- they're Rove Republicans -- and look at the mess that we're in now.

Look at a man's most recent behavior, not just the behavior of 40 years ago -- I'll take Obama's 25+ years of experience over the last 25+ years of McCain -- ANY day of the week.

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» One word: Racism Posted by: kimbari
I could steal the vote
Posted by: DrSuess on Oct 1, 2008 7:23 AM   
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I am a computer programmer, and I know that if you let me into the innards of the machines that I could steal the votes. I can think of 10 different ways to take it. One way is “flipping the votes” which supposedly happened in Arizona in 2004. People pressed Kerry and saw Bush come up on the screen. The schemes that you are talking about of running all the votes through one central computer and having someone sitting there “deciding” how to send the votes “on” is another scheme. I remember going to bed in 2004 thinking Kerry was the next president, and waking up the next morning to a Bush victory. I cannot remember how many people were upset by the victory- and who seriously thought about moving to Canada. The idea of sick old man McCain being elected and passing the presidency on to twinkle toes Palin terrifies me. (I am a woman- so I can say freely what I think of Palin. If you want to accuse me of sexism- go right ahead- I am a big girl- I can take it).

Obama has played the game by the rules by registering tens of thousands of new voters. But it won’t matter if one of my fellow computer programmers gets in between the vote counters and the voters. The Democrats really need to be watching the machines.

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» RE: I could steal the vote Posted by: SENILEBIKER
I'd be carefull
Posted by: andrushka on Oct 1, 2008 7:50 AM   
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if I were you! The elction is 4 weeks away. Americans have already shown how stupid some of them are, and the Republicans have been very crafty in the past in steeling by fraud two elections, particularly the 2004 one when GWB had already demonstrated his "presidential skills" What we cannot understand in Europe, is the Americans' capacity to elect such mediocre people It would seem, considering the number, that it should fairly easy to find someone knowledgeable.

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» Tell The Truth ! Posted by: Last Chance
Two words...October Surprise
Posted by: donnal on Oct 1, 2008 8:02 AM   
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An October surprise is coming...

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» October Surprise ???!!! Posted by: Last Chance
» RE: Two words...October Surprise Posted by: SkeeterVT1
» RE: Two words...October Surprise Posted by: Last Chance
Obama's Team Needs to watch the Spoonemore interview
Posted by: Phred42 on Oct 1, 2008 8:07 AM   
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and the videos by
Greg Palast and Mark Crispin Miller

Before they get to excited

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I hope....
Posted by: RedFoxOne on Oct 1, 2008 8:09 AM   
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I sure hope he wins by a landslide! God help us all if McBush wins in November.

Jiff
Whats hiding on your PC?

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I haven't heard anyone singing
Posted by: JohnJlws on Oct 1, 2008 8:09 AM   
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November 5, 2008 the fat lady sings.

Early on in this deal Obama's campaign asked me for several things: walk for Obama, register voters for Obama, get out the vote for Obama, and contribute money to Obama's campaign.

Not a single time did Obama ask me for suggestions regarding his strategy. When I took on the job of volunteer I accepted this "job description."

As this campaign season mercifully approaches its end, I'm walking for Obama, registering voters for Obama, making phone calls into battleground states to get out the vote, and trying to scrape up some more money to contribute to Obama.

The preceding is what the campaign has asked of me in addition to of course voting for Obama. I don't care if Obama wins by a single electoral vote; I care that he wins. In that vein, I will be trying to get out the vote up until the polls close on November 4. If the result is a landslide, whoopee! If the result is a win, whoopee!

Either way, I'm working for a whoopee!

Yes We MUST!!!

Obama '08

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I just rec'd an email from
Posted by: steven w on Oct 1, 2008 8:26 AM   
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Velvet Revolution and they are very concerned about election day fraud that will cause a McSame win.

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Pelosi's Failure
Posted by: bh on Oct 1, 2008 8:54 AM   
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The biggest failure of Nancy Pelosi will be not addressing the e-voting machines! This failure should have been the #1 priority when she became the majority leader. Let's hold our breathe at this point.

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» RE: Pelosi's Failure Posted by: salt-of-the-earth
You folks sound like Newt "Fear Itself" Gengrich!
Posted by: grindermonkey on Oct 1, 2008 9:09 AM   
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Stop this low level hand wringing and get out there and vote. It will be difficult to steal an election if only 3% of the votes are for Palin/McCain. Palin cannot win this election by herself: she needs a breathing running mate rather than a zombie.

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» RIGHT ON GRINDERMONKEY!!! Posted by: foreverhope
» small correction & p.s. Posted by: foreverhope
» small correction & p.s. Posted by: foreverhope
Why I may not vote for Sen. Obama
Posted by: rem3864 on Oct 1, 2008 9:43 AM   
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The more I learn about this candidate, his voting record and where he currently stands on the issues that I care, the more difficult it becomes for me to consider voting for him. The recent presidential debate certainly did not help. I certainly cannot vote for Sen. McCain because I’m against almost everything he stands for. I’m aware that at this point in time the foreign policy issues are not the decisive factor that will determine the outcome of this election. Yet it pains me to realize that Sen. Obama’s position is substantially identical to Sen. McCain’s on issues like our relationship with Iran and a confrontational attitude towards Russia. Mr. Obama seems to be trying to outdo even his opponents (including Mr. Lieberman) to ingratiate the Jewish lobby that tried very hard – and succeeded – in labelling a significant part of the Iranian armed forces as a ‘terrorist organization’. President Jimmy Carter said in a recent CNN documentary (God’s warriors) that if a politician fails to gain the Jewish support, it is like committing political suicide. Thus I can understand Sen. Obama’s predicament but I’m getting sick and tired about having a powerful minority dictating their will to the rest of the country. As far as I’m concerned, the issue is no longer the support of Israel’s right to exist. I always supported this right and was a time when I deeply admired the courage and determination of the Israelis in the early days of their struggle to create a country of their own. But this is not the issue now. It has gradually become an issue of whether we should continue to provide unconditional US support for a country that is increasingly becoming an apartheid state, where Palestinian land is grabbed illegally and where ‘transference” (i.e. deportation) of the Palestinians is seriously considered as a valid option. As far as Sen. Obama’s aggressive stand against the Russians with regard to Georgia, I can’t hide my disappointment – yet I was not surprised knowing where Sen. Biden stood on this issue. It’s not that I support the ex-KGB thugs that ruled in the Kremlin (although there was a time when our government tried to depict them as pillars of democracy) but we all know how this crisis started and we also know that nobody would give a damn about that small country if it was not for the oil pipelines crossing it. We survived a cold war using restraint and relying on a policy of mutual annihilation. It seems to me that a policy of encirclement by converting ex soviet republics into NATO members is extremely threatening to the Russians and fraud with risk and I had hoped Sen. Obama to be more enlightened. Finally, I was very disappointed by his inability to stand up to Sen. McCain insulting posture and reply in kind instead of standing there like a small boy chastised by his experienced elder.

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Ohio Is Diebold Country. . .DON'T TRUST IT!
Posted by: SkeeterVT1 on Oct 1, 2008 10:37 AM   
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I don't share Obama's optimism when it comes to Ohio. If Tim Russert were still with us, he'd probably say that the election will come down to "Ohio, Ohio, Ohio," just as the forever-disputed 2000 election came down to "Florida, Florida Florida," although historically, no candidate for president has ever won the election without winning his home state -- and Al Gore lost his home state of Tennessee.

Ohio is the home state of the Diebold Corporation, headquartered in Cincinnati. And more than 80 percent of the vote machines used in Ohio are Diebold's highly controversial paperless touchscreen machines.

Ohio began early voting today (Wednesday, October 1), a day after the Republican Party lost a legal challenge to the practice of same-day registration for voters. But the GOP plans to file an emergency appeal to the U.S. Supreme Court -- which reconvenes for the 2008-09 term on Monday.

Despite losing its lawsuit, the Ohio secretary of state is a Republican and could still "gum up" the works. It took the vigilance of the state's Democratic attorney general to stop the secretary of state from attempting wholesale purges of voter rolls, but I still don't trust the Diebold machines -- and neither should the Obama campaign.

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Blue in the red heart of America
Posted by: DrSuess on Oct 1, 2008 10:50 AM   
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I know that some of the deep south states are VERY Republican- but I was recently in Tennessee. It is definitely deep south. In the time that I was there I saw one hand made Palin sign, and no McCain signs. I took a friend back from the main road over 10 miles into the heart of the redneck hills. When I was talking to my friend’s mother she made the interesting comment. “People around here think Obama will win.” Interesting comment from a woman who has lived in the back hills of Tennessee all her life. She is the wife of a retired coal miner, and she had all the Christian TV shows playing when I was at her house.

I am currently in Indianapolis In. In 2000 and 2004 there were Bush signs everywhere. As you drove up the main wealthy mansion road in Indianapolis, there were Bush signs in front of most houses. I have seen one McCain sign in the entire city in 2008. I know a lot of people who plan to vote for Obama, but won’t put a sign for him out in front of their white middle class house. All of the prominent Obama signs are down in the African American areas.

It will be interesting to see how people really vote in the quiet of the voting booth. I don't know of anyone who really likes McCain. I knew of many people who were really excited about Bush. McCain may win- but he doesn't inspire the way Bush did.

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It makes NO difference.
Posted by: manatthewindow on Oct 1, 2008 10:53 AM   
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Wondering which of these hopeless candidates will be better for America is like a death-row prisoner considering whether it would be better to receive the lethal injection in his right arm or his left.

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Ain't this like countin' yer chickens?
Posted by: DaBear on Oct 1, 2008 11:28 AM   
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Never mind Diebold and the recent whistleblower feller who leaked the Republikaan plan to overthrow the 'lection with funky votes in Ohio and elsewhere....

Did 'Bama ever hear of a guy named Gore, that other feller named Kerry....?

Seems the evidence for the "optimism" is kinda flimsy... to a working man anyway. I guess that's why I still don't think I can vote for this 'Bama feller. Seems nice and I could have a beer with him (kinda... if he'd take off that damned suit and tie and wear normal-person clothes) and talk some shit with me instead of all that fancy-pants stuff about "change" with nothing behind it....

What kinda change? How are his dreams "American" as opposed to "human"? How does that translate to a SAHD with a school teacher mate, two busted up old cars and now, thanks to countrywide, no home of our own....?

Optimism is the drug we pessimists refuse to take. We seen too many optimists choke to death before they finish the race...

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People always looking for the next saviour...
Posted by: teel on Oct 1, 2008 12:10 PM   
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I think what needs to be understood is that the fundamenal problem gripping the US is that money talks. Money and only money will get you anywhere when it comes to goverment. I mean the big issues, the things that citizens want changed like the war, economy, healthcare. All that is controlled with money. Why do the american people keep electing rich assholes who don't give a shit about them? And even the rarest of breeds, the capitol hill suit who actually works for the people, he or she will be buried by an avalanche of opposition from the rest of them who look out for number one.

What exactly is it the american people is hoping these two candidates will solve? Is Obama going to solve their lives? Is McCain going to set their existance straight? First of all, if you life depends so dearly on the political color of the president then you have some personal changes to make if prosperity is what you're after. Second of all, a golden figurehead on a rusty -87 volvo won't make the car run any better. Jesus christ himself could get voted in as president and he too would be buried under lobbyists and special interests. All his fantastic ideas for the country that could serve we the people well would be discarded along the bureaucratic process and nothing would happen. And if the fantastic president, the brightest most competent ever to preside over the country ruling to improve the lives of everyone at the expense of the money-suits? If he did that a little too well, if he forgot who put him on the throne, who made him leader, if he forgot who fed him during his campaign? Then that president would find himself either framed and thrown out, or with led in his head and that's the issues you have to face. The president has less power than you might think. The money-suits, that's where the problem is and this reality show called presidential election isn't going to solve squat.

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We be mystics
Posted by: solrev on Oct 1, 2008 12:45 PM   
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It amazes me that a bunch of the comments seem to want to blame Obama, because they live in a democracy where you can not elect a person, you can only elect a politician. You really should be glad Obama plays the game so well. He told you in the beginning that every one gets to be a knight at the round table. I’ll give you a little lesson in Illinois politics and I’ll use a little street talk, so do not pay much attention to the words you read, listen to the message, and spare me the psychoanalysis. Obama has to talk war tough, he can not get elected looking like a pussy, no one in America would vote for a sissy peacemaker. But with McCain, he will not beat him with a club, you do not pull out a gun on a punk, you bitch slap them. Now look at Obama playing this game, he not only walked that tightrope, he did it looking like a ballet dancer. If you look at all the little dance steps the flips and the flops, they have one thing in common a belief that Spock was right, the needs of the many out way the needs of the few. I bet along time ago that Obama would get 321 electoral votes and 64% of the popular vote. When his numbers went south I doubled down. Do not be so rational, be a mystic, hear more than you see. You might want to try your mystic eye on the bailout. Do you really believe that Paulson and Bernanke are scared of a recession, some bank failures by which they can eliminate some competitors and consolidate money and power? Do you really think they would let the word socialism become a part of the public language, knowing the next time someone says national healthcare they have a problem defending the Reagan rap? Paulson is history in three months, yet he is running scared. Everybody has ideas about solving our economic problems but Paulson; he is in survival mode. He would easily survive a deep recession or a depression, what is it that he can not survive?

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» RE: We be mystics Posted by: lewb
Strategy
Posted by: RobNLA on Oct 1, 2008 12:48 PM   
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Obama and his campaign have a strong strategy in mind...a strategy that helped him win in the primaries against Clinton.

The strategy is basically work hard on your ground game. Don't just campaign, advertise and organize hard in the close states. Don't assume states you are behind in are lost, see how close you can get it, forcing the opposition to spread it's money to compensate.

Consider this, less than half of all eligible voters actually vote. If his ground campaign can pursuade, remind and help even 1% more of voters to get to the polls, then you are talking about 2 million voters nationwide.

Add to this that Republicans are not energized or united, we may end up seeing some major Democratic gains in congressional seats.

Now yes Republicans will try for the Diebold trick, but that's why Obama is covering his bases. Even if Republicans steal Ohio, so that he is not depending on just one state to win, he's looking at a long list of states from which he needs only a few to put him over the top.

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» RE: Strategy Posted by: maxpayne
No Need to hack the individual voting machine
Posted by: 911FalseFlag on Oct 1, 2008 2:55 PM   
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No matter how you cast your vote whether on an electronic voting machine or by paper ballot each precincts votes will be electronically transferred to the central tabulator. This is done exactly in the same manner as a cash register electronically transfers the charge to the credit card company. Hackers have been stealing credit card information and charging bills to other peoples credit cards when using the well-known "man in the middle" scheme.
Go to my website which is www.911insidejob.net and watch the video on the home page in which a cyber security expert explains how this hacking works and how easy it is.

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Obama landslide
Posted by: robchapman on Oct 1, 2008 5:17 PM   
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Barack Obama's popular vote spread over John McCain will be twice GW Bush's spread over Kerry. This will allow Obama to carry all the major states except Texas.

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Voting and Counting
Posted by: ProgressiveManiac on Oct 1, 2008 5:54 PM   
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I have little doubt that Obama has the election in the bag insofar as the voters are concerned.

However, there remains the problem of having a fair election. If we do, it will be unique in recent history. To listen to a good discussion of this topic, download the Sept 7 edition of Media Matters. You will hear an interview of Mark Crispin Miller, a leading authority on this topic.

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» RE: Voting and Counting Posted by: arclight
» RE: Voting and Counting Posted by: ProgressiveManiac
For Another Point Of View
Posted by: eskit on Oct 2, 2008 1:27 AM   
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I hope Obama wins, but I'm afraid that his betrayal of key Deomcratic principles will induce many voters to stay home. For another point of view from an old-time Democrat, go to youtube.com and search for "Obama - Don't Screw It Up!". (And while you're at it, check out my many videos that trash McCain!)
- Eskit

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» RE: For Another Point Of View Posted by: maxpayne
Obama has the MOMENTUM!
Posted by: Ky Lake Dave on Oct 2, 2008 9:18 AM   
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What a rollercoaster! At the beginning I throughly believed Obama would win. Then Palin came on the scene and energized the Republican base. McCain got some traction. He started climbing and I got excited that maybe McCain would pull this out. Steady attacks on Palin had some effect (I tip my hat to you progressives for the effective torpedoes). Then the economy tanked. Even though former CEO's of Freddy Mac and Fanny Mae are acting as Obamas Economic advisors and VP selection advisors. Even though Obama recieved the 3rd most in donations from Freddy Mac and Fanny Mae over the last 10 yrs and he has only been in the Senate for 3. Even though Obama promoted and defended ACCORN which pressured banks into giving unquilfied buyers homeloans. Voters are tilting hard toward Obama. With the finish line so close I feel Obama will win this. I hope and pray enough Republicans win in House and Senate races to counter the massive tax increases and huge goverment programs Obama plans to bankrupth this nation with. See ya in the soup lines.

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Obama or McCain = No Change
Posted by: Blueprelude on Oct 2, 2008 10:07 AM   
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After Obama's disgusting embrace of predatory bankers with yesterday's Senate bailout package approval, I see no reason to vote for him. He proved almost identical to McCain in his Cold War-style foreign policy and now has joined McCain in supporting the banks over the people. For all of his "we are our brother's keeper" rhetoric, he has shown his true colors, and they care nothing about anyone's brother, unless he works for Goldman Sachs. I will vote for either Ralph Nader or Cynthia McKinney.

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if
Posted by: edgar1 on Oct 2, 2008 11:15 AM   
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blacks vote
young people vote
Democrats vote Democrat'
Older voters tie Bush and McCain to the economy

these are all unknowns. obama cannot be all that certain now.

if the economic mess remains a gop fault in voters' eyes, mccain is toast.

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Obama is a shill
Posted by: lewb on Oct 4, 2008 3:51 PM   
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Obama is a shill for the corporatocracy just like McCain. I have observed this in both parties for 40 years. The Congress has ceded their power to reign in presidential abuse of power because they're bought and paid for,and they just want to get re-elected. Wake up! The bad guys are eating our lunch. If we don't get rid of the corporatocracy, there won't be a country worth saving.

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