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Election 2008

Sarah Palin, 21st Century Theocrat

By Michelle Goldberg, The Nation. Posted September 29, 2008.


The religious right can be confident that they'd have a fundamentalist in the White House with Sarah Palin.
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Research support for this article was provided by the Puffin Foundation Investigative Fund at The Nation Institute.

Wasilla, Alaska -- Pat O'Hara, a journalist who served on the Wasilla school board for twelve years, remembers how the religious right made her feel like a stranger in her own community. The Mat-Su Valley, which includes the neighboring towns of Wasilla and Palmer, had once been a libertarian sort of place, full of blue-collar individualists who didn't fit in elsewhere. "I had the dog team in the woods, the cabin in the woods. My friends were teachers, farmers, construction workers," she said as she stood with about 1,500 demonstrators at a September 13 anti-Sarah Palin rally in Anchorage. "It was kind of a working, very much Democratic community. And then it changed."

The Valley, Alaska's fastest-growing region, is a spectacular area of lakes and birch and spruce forests, surrounded by granite-colored snowcapped mountains that poke through the clouds. Palmer has a community core, a walkable few blocks with a lively coffee shop, Vagabond Blues. Wasilla, though, has developed as a sprawl of strip malls containing a mix of pawnshops, gun shops and chain stores -- and, incongruously, a decent sushi place, with a Korean chef from California. It is a little piece of the American South near the North Pole, rough-hewn but slowly upscaling.

It wasn't until the 1990s that local churches like the Wasilla Assembly of God, which Palin grew up attending, became aggressively political. A few years before Palin became mayor, a group of preachers confronted the school board with questions about social issues that had never before surfaced in local politics, according to O'Hara, who wrote first for the Mat-Su Valley Frontiersman and then for the Anchorage Daily News. "They started asking me, 'Would you allow a homosexual to teach in schools?' and 'Do you favor abortion?'" she said. "At the time, I didn't know what was coming. I said, 'This is not a school board issue. We have overcrowding. We have funding problems.'" The last time O'Hara ran, conservative pastors mounted an effort to defeat her, saying she favored hiring homosexuals, but they failed. Nevertheless, in 1996, feeling increasingly alienated in a place she'd lived for twenty-five years, she quit the school board and moved to more liberal Anchorage.

"The whole community changed," she said. "It became extremely rigid and intolerant, and you can see that in every election since." Palin, said O'Hara, "represents the worst of those values. She feels that because she's a member of the right church, she's chosen by God to inflict her values on everyone."

With her vice presidential nomination, Sarah Palin has become the ultimate religious-right success story. Ever since the Christian Coalition was formed using the infrastructure of Pat Robertson's 1988 presidential run, the movement has focused on building power from the ground up, turning conservative churches into little political machines. "I would rather have a thousand school board members than one president and no school board members," Christian Coalition head Ralph Reed said in 1996. Palin, who got her start in a local church-backed political struggle, is very much the product of Reed's strategy.

She has not always governed as a zealot; in fact, she's a bit of a cipher, with scant record of speeches or writings on social issues or foreign policy. Nevertheless, several people who've dealt with her say that those concerned about church-state separation should be chilled by the idea of a Palin presidency. "To understand Sarah Palin, you have to realize that she is a religious fundamentalist," said Howard Bess, a retired liberal Baptist minister living in Palmer. "The structure of her understanding of life is no different from a Muslim fundamentalist."

Palin's nomination, and the energy she has injected into the GOP, show that, once again, reports of the death of the Christian right have been greatly exaggerated. Not long ago, pundits and journalists were lining up to explain how the religious right, long the largest and best-organized faction in the Republican Party, was deteriorating. Last year the liberal evangelical Jim Wallis published a piece in Time headlined The Religious Right's Era Is Over. Several months later The New York Times Magazine followed with a cover story titled The Evangelical Crackup. Liberal columnist E.J. Dionne argued, in his book Souled Out: Reclaiming Faith and Politics After the Religious Right, that the movement was collapsing.

Obviously the religious right has endured many setbacks in recent years. Ted Haggard, former head of the National Association of Evangelicals, slunk away in disgrace following a scandal involving a gay prostitute and crystal meth. Ralph Reed was tainted by his association with the extravagantly corrupt lobbyist Jack Abramoff. Jerry Falwell died, as did the influential Florida televangelist D. James Kennedy. Tom DeLay, one of the movement's fiercest allies, left Congress after being indicted on charges of criminal conspiracy. Nonetheless, the Republican Party is actually more dependent on religious conservatives than ever. In the 2006 midterms, the most significant GOP defeats were among moderate Republicans from the Northeast, where the party lost almost a third of its House seats, and from the Midwest, where it lost 15 percent. As moderates and independents abandoned the party, its center of gravity moved rightward. In order to maintain the support of the party that reluctantly nominated him, John McCain had to choose a vice president who represented the base. Indeed, never before has someone with such deep roots in the movement been on a major party ticket.


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Michelle Goldberg is the author of Kingdom Coming: The Rise of Christian Nationalism. Her new book, The Means of Reproduction: Sex, Power and the Future of the World, recently won the J. Anthony Lukas Work-In-Progress Award and will be published in April by Penguin.

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The problem with Palin: A laundry list
Posted by: NoMcCainPalin on Sep 29, 2008 12:27 AM   
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Several weeks ago, I received an email from MoveOn.org that listed a number of Palin defects -- all worth repeating:

Palin recently said that the war in Iraq is "God's task." She's even admitted she hasn't thought about the war much—just last year she was quoted saying, "I've been so focused on state government, I haven't really focused much on the war in Iraq."

Palin has actively sought the support of the fringe Alaska Independence Party. Six months ago, Palin told members of the group—who advocate for a vote on secession from the union—to "keep up the good work" and "wished the party luck on what she called its 'inspiring convention.'"

Palin wants to teach creationism in public schools. She hasn't made clear whether she thinks evolution is a fact.

Palin doesn't believe that humans contribute to global warming. Speaking about climate change, she said, "I'm not one though who would attribute it to being manmade."

Palin has close ties to Big Oil. Her inauguration was even sponsored by BP.

Palin is extremely anti-choice. She doesn't even support abortion in the case of rape or incest.

Palin opposes comprehensive sex-ed in public schools. She's said she will only support abstinence-only approaches.

As mayor, Palin tried to ban books from the library. Palin asked the library how she might go about banning books because some had inappropriate language in them—shocking the librarian, Mary Ellen Baker. According to Time magazine, "news reports from the time show that Palin had threatened to fire Baker for not giving "full support" to the mayor."

She DID support the Bridge to Nowhere (before she opposed it). Palin claimed that she said "thanks, but no thanks" to the infamous Bridge to Nowhere. But in 2006, Palin supported the project repeatedly, saying that Alaska should take advantage of earmarks "while our congressional delegation is in a strong position to assist."


Finally, if you are an undecided voter, learn more about Scary Sarah and the REAL John McCain, including the truth about his so-called "heroic" war record, by clicking on: Vote Against McCain
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PALIN FOR PRESIDENT!!!
Posted by: Tom Degan on Sep 29, 2008 2:42 AM   
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A couple of days ago, in his excellent New York Times comumn, Bob Herbert, describing Sarah Palin's positively weird appearance during an interview with CBS News' Katie Couric, put it perfectly (as Mr. Herbert has an uncanny tendency of doing). Said he:

"It was surreal, the kind of performance that would generate a hearty laugh if it were part of a Monty Python Sketch."

That got me to thinking, MONTY PYTHON??? The Republicans have nominated the wrong freaking Palin!! I'm starting a movemet to nominate Michael Palin of the legendary comedy group to run for the office of president of the United States. At least I'll be able to take him seriously.

We can all count on Mr. Palin not only to talk the silly talk, but to walk the silly walk.

Michael Palin is a lunberjack and he's okay. He works all night and he sleeps all day.

Today I am going down town to the Orange County Board of Elections to re-register as a proud member of the Silly Party.

Tom Degan
Goshen, NY
APOCALIPSTICK NOW

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» RE: PALIN FOR PRESIDENT!!! Posted by: eeuropean2000
» RE: PALIN FOR PRESIDENT!!! Posted by: beautifulady2003
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» RE: PALIN FOR PRESIDENT!!! Posted by: jacobtoo
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WHAT PALIN/MCCAIN HAVE IN COMMON...
Posted by: wellaware lec on Sep 29, 2008 4:25 AM   
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It appears that each of these individuals has a list of aberrant behaviors within the context of the dogma they've chosen to embrace---Palin within the dogma of fundamentalist Christianity (affair with husband's business partner, multiple examples of lying during public office, brutal behaviors while a basketball "star", sent her daughter away out of great anger when she found out about pregnancy, made some highly questionable decisions around the alleged labor/delivery of her 5th child, etc.) and McCain within the dogma of the military who was in trouble far more than not during his active duty time ( I will not elaborate on these because of space but evidence easily accessible at this point for both statements). It is also apparent they are each very retaliatory in their decisions also.
Apparently Gov. Palin now has a son with major drug abuse issues (taking those to Iraq with him, in and of itself extremely risky not only for him but for his colleagues, and our country...) and daughter with same history plus a teen pregnancy and soon a new son-in-law who is on record as stating he's a "f***g Redneck and also does not want children. And apparently the conception of this child was statutory rape, which noone seems to grasp or be writing about. If he indeed is the father of this unborn child.
One way to evaluate someone's strength of character is how they tow the line within whatever context they have chosen to live and express loyalty, which is different from questioning the rules of that context. Neither individual mentioned has managed to do that very effectively, it seems. And it seems impossible to imagine that two aberrantly behaviored people (both have sociopathic tendencies, to put it mildly...) will make for high quality leadership of a flailing country.

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Lilly
Posted by: Lilly on Sep 29, 2008 5:10 AM   
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The Anchorage Daily News has followed the story of the Christian Fundamentalist role in McCain's (note here that I say "acceptance" rather than "selection") of Sarah Palin as his Vice-Presidential candidate. Desperately needing the support of the Christian Right, John McCain met in June with Reverend Franklin Graham, son of Billy Graham. Franklin Graham owns a home in Alaska and is a big wheel in Alaska's right-wing politico-religious world. Following that meeting, Graham assured the media that the Christian Right would support McCain. Two things then happened. 1) Palin began to be groomed for the VP slot and 2) The seeds of Troopergate were sown as Palin fired Art Monegan, her Commissioner of Public Safety, and put in his place one Chuck Kopp, "a rising star in Alaska's Christian Fundamentalist movement...frequent speaker at events...board member of Fundamentalist schools and camps"---Kopp moved in the same circles as Graham. Troopergate has been about whether Palin fired Monegan for reasons having to do with her family, but the more interesting question is whether she replaced him with a figure who would prove to Graham that she had strong-enough Christian Fundamentalist chops. It's not impossible, even, that Kopp was suggested by Graham.

The rest is history that we all know. One more thing: a suit brought by Republican legislators in Alaska to halt the Troopergate investigation is supported by LLI, the Liberty Legal Institute, which exists to defend right-wing religious causes. LLI is a member of The Arlington Group, a 75-member consortium of organizations dedicated to infusing US public policy with Christian Fundamentalist belief. Thus, another interesting question: what have these groups to do with a hiring-firing matter in Alaska?

Let us now remember what we learned from reading mystery novels, the legal phrase "cui bono" meaning "who benefits?". 1) John McCain benefits by gaining the support of the Christian Fundamentalist base, without which he probably could not hope to win the Presidency. 2) The Christian Right benefits by putting one of its own in a direct line to the White House, probably within five years. McCain is 72 and has a history of cancer. Even if he gets through his first term, he is unlikely to run again. A VP Palin would almost certainly run for President in 2012. 3) Palin, of course, benefits because she is a ham. When she lost the Miss Alaska title in 1984 she told friends she had lost because she had "failed to surround herself with enough drama". Clearly she has learned to remediate that failing. This woman wallows in showmanship. She would just eat up being President of the United States. The Christian Right would at last have won its ultimate goal, the Presidency. John McCain would by then be on the golf course or in heaven. Where the rest of this nation would be... you may choose a word for yourself.

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I'm not sure that Palin can even be adequately described as "Religious Right"
Posted by: Jasonix on Sep 29, 2008 5:25 AM   
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Palin is so bizarre and extreme that I think even the label "religious right" doesn't do her justice. She's part of a fringe element of Pentecostalism that sees its mission as taking over the world through the leadership of divinely-empowered "apostles" who'll lead a "last days army." People in her churches bark like dogs, roll around the floors, vomit, and convulse with such violence that they sometimes hurt themselves. This movement - variously identified as "Latter Rain," "Kingdom Now," "Toronto Blessing," "Third Wave," and "Word-Faith" - even identifies other evangelical Christians who refuse to join in such antics as enemies to be destroyed. Traditional right-leaning Christians such as Southern Baptists are unwittingly voting for a person who wants to wipe their understanding of religion off the face of the earth and replace it with "jump, jive, and wail." It's really come that far - a religious movement whose North American adherents probably don't even number as high as 6 digits has been so determined to seize power that they're now within reach of doing so.

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» RE: Yeah, that's scary stuff Posted by: Jasonix
"All sinners welcome". Isn't it damned ironic that Palin's church acts as though Christ didn't
Posted by: Beck on Sep 29, 2008 5:41 AM   
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preach exactly that? I've always wondered why conservatives have no sins they think would keep THEM out of church, or should keep them out of church. The sins conseratives commit are the ones Jesus ranted over. Matthew 23 is a condemnation of conservatives then, and conservatives now.

"All sinners welcome." GOD, that's weird.

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Mrs Palin is neither "Religious" nor "Right"
Posted by: Nightstallion on Sep 29, 2008 5:42 AM   
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Christians, not even Gnostic Christians claim Christ condones murder! This woman and any religion that claims the a belief in a murderous Christ is under sway of a demon. No thought is involved in this woman it is all reactionary-ism. I do not choose to be effected or led by a charlaton with the characteristics of a Babalonian Harlot.

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Aceriter
Posted by: aceriter on Sep 29, 2008 6:25 AM   
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I believe all this fuss about a candidates religion is ridiculous. Since there is no religious test for office then why should it matter what one believes?

Try this for size: The Roman Catholic Church believes that during a Mass a priest says certain words that turn a wafer into the actual boy and blood of Christ. Even though a scientist with a microscope can show that the wafer is still nothing more than a wafer, Catholics still believe the wafer is the actual body and blood of Jesus Christ.

Well of course to all non catholics this is religious idiocy---therefore no Roman Catholic should ever be allowed to hold public office. Now lets start again with Baptists who believe that a dead Jesus actually rose from the dead. Now how insane is that? So now we can bar all Baptists from public office.

Who's next?

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» False Premise Posted by: maddy
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» RE: Aceriter Posted by: jacobtoo
Graham Crackers
Posted by: Urstrly on Sep 29, 2008 6:31 AM   
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As Lily so rightly points out, it is Palin's connection to Billy Graham's son, Franklin, that should scare the begeezus out of us. Like W and McCain, Franklin led a riotous youth in rebellion to a more respectable but powerful father. Like them, he passed through some schools without learning anything substantial about the real world. And, like them, he has relied on his personal charisma to convince people he speaks for G-d.

If you want to learn more about christofascism, you might tune in to Mark Crispin Miller's analysis from this week-end's Doing Democracy conference, which will be on wruw.org Tuesday at 9 a.m. and available for a week afterwards. Miller is an NYU professor who has been paying attention to this phenomenon since W's first administration.

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» RE: Graham Crackers Posted by: jacobtoo
Theocrat or Cult Character?
Posted by: AnIndependentThinker on Sep 29, 2008 6:35 AM   
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All of Palin's ideologies point to a cult-like version of a warped, right-wing, fundamental, reverse-zealot sect. Presumably, she is not even aware of this definition. But to put this into laymen terms, she is completely engulfed but eerily conflicted in the Bible's teachings; and openly chooses to rise above the law of the United States to put her religious anecdotes front and center, which dictates her mission.

At one point, her church (where she is a member), condemned the Jewish people for not accepting Jesus as "Lord and savior"; yet, she then holds a national news interview with Katie Couric and says she will not second-guess Israel (in regard to their intentions of war with neighboring states).

According to the Book of Revelation 2:8-10, the angel of the church in Smyrna wrote how s/he knew of the afflicitions of the people, and how they were poor - yet rich. The angel then goes on to say, "I know the slander of those who say they are Jews and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan. 10 Do not be afraid of what you are about to suffer. I tell you, the devil will put some of you in prison to test you, and you will suffer persecution for ten days. Be faithful, even to the point of death, and I will give you the crown of life." In that same revelation, "26 To him who overcomes and does my will to the end, I will give authority over the nations."

Is this the teaching to which Ms. Palin prescribes? Is this what we, as a nation, have to see unfold in our future? She is a war-monger for the church of her god, and will stop at nothing to achieve her mission. People should be afraid all around the world if this woman gets into any higher part of government.

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What people forget......
Posted by: Spiritgirl on Sep 29, 2008 7:02 AM   
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What we forget at our own peril, the Constitution created a separation of state and religion - for this very reason! When the framers came up with the separation clause it was because at that time people were persecuted by their monarchs (their government) because of religion (which ever religion was in power at the moment)! Today the religious right does so, and no one wants to seriously talk about taking away those 501(3c) provisions (tax exempt)! If the religious right wants to act politically "according to their Godly beliefs" - then they should no longer tax exempt entities! They become the very "theocratic fascists" that they rail against! These people can and must be stopped from their hate-mongering just as any other rabid dog should!

I'm not dismissing someones faith, what I am dismissing are these fanatics that I can only equate with those extremist Islamics that this country went to fight in Afghanistan! Much like most of those illiterate Muslims - these people have only read (if at all) those parts of the holy book that the Preacher/Imam has selected, they have never read the whole book for any understanding! If they had they would know and live what they read!

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RE: She understands that her appearance draws in those guys...
Posted by: jimidee on Sep 29, 2008 8:46 AM   
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who wanted to have a beer with Dubya to want to DO her. It works with the intended audience.

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RE: How does she - hooker skirts barely cover her ass.
Posted by: Lauren on Sep 29, 2008 10:00 AM   
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Those are called vote getters. They seem to be a very effective part of that whole naughty librarian look that she pulls off so well.

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RE: How does she
Posted by: akbirdwm on Sep 29, 2008 12:47 PM   
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As a women Republican and a religious conservative, she must look feminine and attractive to her men, which of course, she is supposed to be subservient to.

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The Religious "Right" has already done all the damage the author keeps fearing.
Posted by: maxpayne on Sep 29, 2008 7:21 AM   
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The Democrats should instead take some lessons from Nader, Mckinney, Paul, and even Bob Barr and fight on undoing the damage. I see no evidence that Obama/Biden will even try. It's a lose-lose whether Obama/Biden or Mccain/Palin make it to the White House.

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Palin is a Follower, Not a Leader
Posted by: LeaderofMen on Sep 29, 2008 7:37 AM   
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Despite the fact that Palin is a member of a whacked out religious cult, don't forget one important thing about her. SHE KNOWS NOTHING ABOUT HER RELIGION. ZERO. ZILCH. ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.

She is a pure follower. She is not a leader and has absolutely no knowledge about her 'religion' other than what she's been spoonfed. That's why she's in a cult. No one who adequately investigates a religion ever stays in it unless they realize they can sway minds. Then they become the cult/religious leaders.

Palin is a simple-minded follower. Nothing more. If she somehow stumbled upward and became the President (a highly unlikely scenario at this point), she would be WORSE than Bush. That's because she'd invite her cult leader(s) to be her advisers. Since her advisers are only steeped in their cult-info and have zero understanding of history or current events, she would instantly become far, far, far more dangerous than Bush ever had potential for.

But luckily that's not gonna happen now. The election is over for the Republicans. Too many people have seen thru the sham. We get a 4-year reprieve to pick up the pieces of our shattered and tattered nation.

Then we'll have to fight this exact same fight all over again before 2012.

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What's the worst thing that could possibly happen?
Posted by: willymack on Sep 29, 2008 8:03 AM   
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We'll start seeing (and suffering for) it if we allow mcnut and the Alaska scourge into office. You can bet the "fix" is in as they couldn't possibly win an honest election. There are simply not enough stupid, ignorant numbskulls left in this country to permit that.

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Point-Counterpoint: Palin's Experience
Posted by: fanny666 on Sep 29, 2008 9:56 AM   
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From The Onion

Point, BY ROGER HOBAUGH, CONCERNED CITIZEN
Gov. Palin Has No Foreign Policy Experience, Refuses To Acknowledge Global Warming, And Supports The War In Iraq

Counterpoint, BY GOV. SARAH PALIN, REPUBLICAN VICE PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE
Please Keep Your Voice Down, My Poor Retarded Child Is Sleeping

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I'M ON SARAH OVERLOAD
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Sep 29, 2008 10:02 AM   
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Too much attention is being paid to things that don't matter. Starting with those damn glasses. ONE IMPORTANT FACT: Sarah Palin doesn't know anything about how our country runs. Cute and perky is for cheerleaders. She is constantly posing and she is in love with the cameras. The new American way has become to distract us from the real issues and entertain us. If Sarah Palin were running for the presidency who would vote for her? That's the real question. Her radical religious beliefs can't help but be a major influence on her thinking and decision making. Eight years of "values" is quite enough for me. So she's crazy, McCain is an angry 'old white haired dude'. I find that unsettling? The ongoing circus surrounding this woman ought to stop. Concentrate on the fact that she simply isn't qualified for the job. She knows it and should get out of the race. She is disrupting our politcal process because she is enjoying the attention. I get the feeling that she craves attention at any cost. Well, the stakes here are too high. Maybe she should consider show business. Thanks, ANNA

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» RE: I'M ON SARAH OVERLOAD Posted by: jacobtoo
Hucka-she
Posted by: QQOblivion on Sep 29, 2008 10:29 AM   
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Back in the weeks before the RNC, I was afraid that John McCain might pick that ignoramus Mike Huckabee to be his running-mate.
Well, Sarah Palin outdoes even Huckabee on the frightening-scale.

Sarah Palin = Hucka-she!

How can someone so ignorant and so dangerous be so close to being president? (Oh, yeah, someone like that already IS president!)

But as VP, Palin may even be worse than Dick Cheney! For, Cheney at least KNOWS he answers to Satan. Sarah thinks those voices she hears are coming from Jesus or God. That makes her even more dangerous in a way.
But with God on her side, as well as the prayers of millions of morons, she may very well be catapulted into office by some unseen "magic" force (a force such as Americans' mass idiocy, a right-wing media, or election fraud). After the last 8 years, even I think that God may be a Republican.

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Sharia Law
Posted by: QQOblivion on Sep 29, 2008 10:38 AM   
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After reading the article on Alternet, "Revisiting the Wasilla Rape Kit Story", it occurred to me: Sarah Palin wants to impose SHARIA LAW on Americans!

No, it isn't Barack Obama who is a danger to the way Americans live and worship!
It's Sarah Palin!

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» RE: Sharia Law Posted by: beautifulady2003
I Dont Want...
Posted by: Godfather89 on Sep 29, 2008 10:47 AM   
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The 700 Club in position of power...

Christian fundamentalists in places of power...

Some adorable women who does not know shit about shit in places of power...

Palin to be in office should McCain die of a heart attack or cancer...

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» RE: I Dont Want... Posted by: jacobtoo
Once upon a time in America
Posted by: pnsuitec on Sep 29, 2008 2:30 PM   
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the GOP was in such disarray that the best candidates for president and vice president they could come up with were an old, ailing, IQ-challenged man with a bad temper and a history of selling get away plans to robbers who stole from the poor and gave to the rich, and a woman who graduated near the middle of her special ed class.

Intellectuals, both near and far, wondered aloud why so many intelligent men and women had been passed over during the selection process, and grew gravely concerned about the prospect of another four years of loose cannons in the White House blasting point blank holes in our Constitution.

Others questioned the wisdom of pitting a guy who finished 5th from the bottom of his Naval Academy class and a woman who thinks being able to see Russia on a clear day is sufficient foreign policy experience against a Harvard scholar and a respected Senate veteran.

But the GOP pushed on, full speed ahead, undeterred by logical predictions of disaster.
They knew from experience that facts will trump logic every time.

And they were heartened by the fact that a sizeable number of American voters and vote counters would rather have a mentally deficient, morally challenged white man in charge of their lives than an intelligent, black family man any day of the week.

To be continued...

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Plain & Simple HERETICAL SOCIOPATHS
Posted by: Purple Girl on Sep 29, 2008 3:59 PM   
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Apparently They beleive God is One their Timetable. They have decided THEY are the Chosen Generation for 'End of Days'.They have also Proclaimed their 'anointed' Status as the 'Raptured' or Saved.
Why would an "Almighty ' require the assistance of any mere mortasl to bring about 'End of Days'? Why would Any 'Almighty' relinquish his Divine Right to Judgement to Mere Mortals. Why would an 'Almighty ' Allow Mere mortals the Power to Change HIS Great Design. Why would an 'Almighty Creator' decide to Destroy a collection of Creations just becuase he is Unhappy with some of Just one Species? Why would such denial of the potential for Redemption be revoked by a 'Merciful God'.
It Appears when HE gets pissed he is able to Punish either on a minute individual level or with a mass Environmental retribution. So again I ask Why Would the 'Almighty ' Need, want or Grant anything from(to) Mere Mortals which Undermines His 'Almightiness'??
He is not the Entity which would grant such unearned Priviledges, nor Needs, or Wants, the help from mortals.
Anyone who has any Historical information beyond what their Preachers 'teach' them has beome aware of FACT proving the Bible to be an Abbreveiated and CENSORED version of the Gospels and the Peter & Paul Highjacked the religion to Promote THEMSELVES, Not Jesus!Taht is Why there is Soooo much Blood on their hands- Millenia of Murderous Oppression!
So When these 'Rapture' Nazi's secretly laugh about only 144,000 Seats available to Coverted Jews....Best Remember Jesus Was A Jew until the Day He Died, Never Renounced the Faith!

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» God KILLED many Posted by: gellero1
waynep
Posted by: waynep on Sep 29, 2008 4:44 PM   
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Just read through much of the commentary on Palin's church background. I need to state that under normal circumstances, I consider the religion of any candidate to be their business, and only want to know what if any impact it will have on the country and their decision making. HOWEVER, this is not a normal circumstance. I have spent days researching, and it was at least encouraging to see that a few had dug up some of the same material that I have. So, I am going to PLEAD with some of you to join in the research, and even more so for some one of demonstrated Christian fundamental background and standing, to PLEASE speak up. Start your research on Google with the words Christian Dominionist. Learn who these folks are, and of the two main branches of the movement. Check out JOEL" ARMY, and if you can get the video documentary called Jesus Camp, do so. When I heard a commentary refer to Palin as a Christian Dominionist the day after I had become familiar with this movement (not while examining anything political), I assumed that it was a semantic mistake and that he did not know the full implications of what he was saying. He did.....and you also need to know. God help us all.

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Add ignorant
Posted by: Jeanne on Sep 29, 2008 5:38 PM   
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to her list of "accomplishments." I saw an article on HuffingtonPost reporting that she believes dinosaurs and humans coexisted. This is mandatory belief since the earth is only about six thousand years old, if you buy the Biblical version of the origins of the universe and life. Well, the Republican VP candidate believes this and has said so out loud. Sorry, but as Matt Damon pointed out, she would, if elected, have the nuclear codes. I don't think so. Nope, nope, I don't think so.

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Add This
Posted by: gellero1 on Sep 29, 2008 8:55 PM   
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ALL religions are Voodoo. What sane person believes in the supernatural?

Let's pray GOD sends us $700 Billion. The power of prayer!!

But then again, Obama's boy Rev. Wright ( he graduated ahead of me at Central High_ all boys academic public school in Philadelphia ) - believes the white man caused AIDS. The Rev. Al Sharpton says he speaks to Obama several times a week. And Michelle Obama says she 'grew up' in Jesse Jackson's house.

You don't think they have bizarre religious beliefs and have influence over Sen. Obama??

Get Real.

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America Is A Christian Nation
Posted by: Kip_Leitner on Sep 29, 2008 10:42 PM   
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Interesting article. However, I feel it is ineffective strategy to worry that America is a "Christian Nation." Face it -- demographically, America is a Christian Nation, which isn't really saying much, since a logical analysis of Christianity in America shows that being a Christian in America says almost nothing about what kind of views someone might have on public policy issues, moral issue, etc.

Basically, Christianity -- depending on the group one allies with -- can mean almost anything, and can demand anything from complete allegiance to traditional doctrines and proscribed behaviors to allegiance to personal spiritual experience and self-defined ethical systems, both liberal and conservative politically.

It would be a better strategy to simply accept America as historically (and currently) a nominally Christian Nation and redefine Christianity as a religion which teaches peace, tolerance, compassion, and care for the sick and wounded (which, by the way, it does).

Instead of fighting with literalist Christian zealots, simple stick closely to the core teachings -- what did Jesus actually talk about most of the time? Well, what do you know, he talked mostly about (1) money and secondly (2)compassion.

While much of the Christian Scriptures are about what Jesus said and did in his earthly life, anti-biblical fundamentalist Christians typically mostly ignore what Jesus actually said and did - care for the physically and mentally wounded and establish a vision of the "Kingdom of God" -- a community reality of peace and justice. Instead, literal fundamentalist theology tends to focus on a mythical cataclysmic saga between good and evil, life and death and resurrection.

In order to understand Christianity properly, a good place to start is with ordinary teachings, as opposed to visions of Jesus coming back to earth on a Hogwartz broom. In the story of "The Feeding of 5,000," ask yourself, what is really meant to be conveyed here: (1) that Jesus performed some kind of magic trick and quickly baked a few hundred loaves of bread under his tunic, or that (2) people were so inspired by what he was saying that they opened up their private rucksacks and created an on the spot miracle of 5,000 people picnicking with strangers, yet having a great time.

Which is more of a miracle, having a microwave and bread dough up your sleeve, or being able to convince thousands of unrelated (even ethnically diverse people) that in the end all humanity is one, and since people are hungry, the most workable strategy is simply to pool all resources, and everyone take according to his/her need.

Of course, that type of behavior, when considered closely, promotes a kind of utopian idealism of the human spirit and character, a community celebration. And yet, conservative Christians want this too.

Two groups, one Arena.

Enter the cockfight mediator, whose job it is to get the two animals to fight to the death. He is the one who profits most from the bloody carnage. Neither the fighters, nor the bettors nor the bookies profit as much as the barker who coerces the parties into blood-fierce battle. He gets a cut from everyone at the event. His pound of flesh comes right off the top of everyone's soul. He is the man who wishes to remain unknown. Everyone gets wounded by this guy, but when the wounded seek this man, they find cannot find him. It seemed that he was everywhere. But when the searchlight turns up to hi-beam, he fades into the background.

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POLITICIZING RELIGION WILL IN THE FINAL ANALYSIS END RELIGIOUS FREEDOM AND RESULT IN A STATE
Posted by: Raymond Emerson on Sep 30, 2008 4:08 AM   
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religion. We haven't learned anything in the last thousand years have we. Paraphrasing Mark Twain; history may not repeat itself but sometimes it does rhyme.

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America the (Beautiful) Bankrupt PART 1
Posted by: YouReapProsperity on Sep 30, 2008 9:51 AM   
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In an age where China is accelerating in space and Russia struggles to regain territory, the US of A is arm wrestling with a small but war experienced nation, you would think Republicans would get it by now. I was raised strict Baptist Pentecostal of conservative background. My late grandfather was like a father and very Republican. I changed parties after I saw the long arm of the right reach into a cut pie and ruin the slices. It is amazing how conservatives flip the script on Democrats about the “liberal media” when they stopped the airing of “Reagan” with Brolin as the late President. The film actually showed a likeable, but flawed side of the late President. Where was the liberal media then?

And what about the obvious “lack of clear communication” not only between McCain and his VP, but between the American public and these two candidates for the top two leaders in the free world? Doesn’t this evasiveness echo the inaugural motorcade incident where Bush’s Presidential limo got heckled? Am I the only one noticing how the media is backing off of these two after networks burned the Rev. Wright or Muslim incidents into our heads? Take note of how most of the mud throwing against Obama seems characteristic or behavioral in editorials and papers, while no one is pressing McCain about not being able to face adversity in the eye with a clear head instead of a pistol. He is dangerous. Where is this liberal media they keep spitting about? If some Americans are considered left-wing wacko’s and more liberal atheist than Gandhi’s feet ointment, why are Church’s still allowed to air outside of Trinity Broadcast Network around this “liberal agenda” nation?

More importantly, the right managed to manipulate a state’s electoral process as the governor of that state influenced the election and from there, the President’s hand selected Supreme Court. This court determined the election to the anger of many fellow legislators and the country. Is this true Democracy in the greatest country in the world or what? This reeks with socialism and our latest financial bailout of millionaires and billionaires proves this. It appears the right have gone so far over the edge of conservatism that they have tapped into socialist solutions to protect their “way of life” and capitalist prosperity. How is this different than protecting Putin’s palace in Moscow as a Russian guard or the KGB, surely the CIA is not privately funded except through mafia ran, tax subsidized corporations and the old syndicates that are as apple pie as you and I.

This nation began its racial cleansing to appease colonists needs for land and until that wound has healed, Americans are still ignorant and proudly claim Wal-Mart, Britney Spears and McDonald’s as cultural icons, who are the savages now? America can never move forward fulfilling those beautiful, but empty words spat hundreds of years ago about “peace” and “prosperity”; “equal” and “liberty”. It’s become an old record you can’t throw away but you play now and then when you want to feel “free”. Like the bible, I miss those old words like; compassion, forgiveness, faith and love (can’t do without the big L). Now all I hear and see from the monopoly pulpit is hatred. It appears true capitalism is only successfully protected through God.

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America the Bankrupt (Beautiful) PART 2
Posted by: YouReapProsperity on Sep 30, 2008 9:57 AM   
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Churches have always been politically involved for they sway public opinion. How come they are not taxed? It would be a civil war? I am considering becoming an atheist after what I’ve seen. Evangelicals want to light the fuse for Armageddon and the rapture and take us all out. How is this different than Muslim extremism? America has pushed its racial heritage to the point to where it now has an enemy that has the money, resources (oil), weapons (ours), training (ours) and yes religion too! And in their religion, to kill an infidel is a path to heaven. So perhaps we stirred up a hornet’s nest and a holy war?

How can you hate on Obama unless you are intimidated, threatened or fear a change you are not ready for, in other words, racist! America’s heritage in governments, local to federal, is peppered with Nazism and the KKK. Are we still fostering these archaic and failed ideals today? Evidently, for when a push comes to a shove, like McCain, this country can’t face adversity; it can only dish it out from the sidelines, something McCain recently said, putting his foot in his mouth again.

Open your eyes America and see that Iraq is a training ground for terrorist NOW and that our troops are simply target practice as surrounding nations send in trainees to “practice” on Americans. Bush is not to completely blame for everything, just most of the mess. Like McCain, he surrounds himself with no citizenry input, only yes-men. Palin is a tyrant worse than Bush. How will she handle an enemy? America has incensed a lot of people around the globe. Now we have Russia to keep an eye on as well, but we are weak now and they know it from their markets.

The burden of character, legislative history, sound judgment, maturity and wisdom should come from McCain being the elder statesman, history will prove me right whether he wins or not, not on the aspirations and values placed on a young, inspired biracial politician whom considering his unstable youth, background and inexperience has managed to put a dent in America’s history and has achieved much in his short grasp for public service for that’s how he started, serving the public and community. Now if we could just convince our big, goofy, religiously bankrupt Republican brother to grow up, we just might fulfill those beautiful empty words written a long, long time ago, in a conference room far, far away.

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pasha
Posted by: pasha on Sep 30, 2008 11:52 AM   
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I don't know whether to laugh or pity the flighty haters who think Governor Palin would have anything to do with a theocracy. Have any of you even BEEN to Alaska, let alone lived there? Alaskans are the most independent people in the nation. It is truly the last frontier of the hardworking and independent, who want to live in harmony with nature but don't worship it. Fundamentalists have as much right to serve in government offices as pagans and religion haters do---we have no "religoius test" for any office. The anti-religious test is really a marxist thing. Don't worry, you won't die, though you may cringe in guilt, if she mentions the name of God or of Jeuss Christ. Big deal. We all hear a lot of things all down that are offensive and downright stupid.

But so far, virtually all of that has come from Palin haters.

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pasha
Posted by: pasha on Sep 30, 2008 11:57 AM   
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Hardly. It is obama who is trying to prosecute peopple who disagree with him, the most ignorant man ever to run for President. He knows NOTHING about the Constitution, and even less about economics. The man has never run even a business. Gov. Palin has run a family business. the 4th largest and fastest growing city in the state, commmanded the Alaska National Guard and State Guard and run the state with the largest land mass and richest economic resources in the country.

Obama couldn't even decice how to vote on issues and voted "present": more often than anything else. He's been useless in the US Senate, but it's a good thing he hasn't been there much, lest he cause more trouble.

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pasha
Posted by: pasha on Sep 30, 2008 12:03 PM   
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What are earth are you talking about? Do you know what evangelical actually means? How could they possibly "light a fuse for aramageddon?" Obviously you know nothing about the Bible, because there is nothing Christians can do to cause Armageddon. But you would be better off starting with reading the church epsitles, Romans through Thessalonians. You probably will become an athetist once you read them, because you will not like what God says is good and what God says is evil.

This country is based on Biblical principles, the first of which are the natural rights which GOd gave to man. Our Constitituion LLIMITS government to protect those rights, expanding government breaks those princiles and steals rights and freedom from people. When government can take money out of your check before you pay your debts, give to God (the first debt) and meet your needs, they have invaded your privacy (thank the communists (who called themselves progressives in the US) for that) stolen your incomeand wasted it.

You're not harmed if someone prays in front of you, you are if a few unelected judges tells them they can't. Your dems have long tried to limit free speech rights.

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abuse of religion
Posted by: atezcan on Sep 30, 2008 12:06 PM   
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i am a profoundly private religious person and am tired of religion being hijacked by these opportunists (whatever the religious affiliations might be). these fundamentalists manipulated the Christs' message to further their agenda. which i believe is an abomination. to find a cover up to their lost souls and humanitarian convictions, they keep mocking some wacko interpretations of the bible (such as Jesus was not socialist, he promoted capitalism, etc.; when did Jesus subscribe to political and economic ideologies?) and brainwashing unsuspecting people who cannot think for themselves.

more and more we became infatuated with superficial, hedonistic and materialistic life-styles, more we started looking for assurances to guarantee our safe entry to heaven so that we can continue with our indulgences. wait, this sounds so familiar. oh yeh, i vaguely remember: the vatican right around the time of luther! the human nature never changes: gullible people, who look for short-cuts to good places without earning it, will always be taken for a ride by the wise one.

these guys not only hijacked the republican party, they also abuse my religion. what does religion have to do with politics - if anything, the religion despises politics.

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election
Posted by: pasha on Sep 30, 2008 12:08 PM   
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You need to study history. First of all it was Gore who tried to steal the election by lawyers and violated the election laws. The Supreme Court, including six liberals (including the communist Rush Bader Ginsberg) didn't even dare allow Gore ot only have some ballots recounted instead of all of them. No less than four liberal newspapers, including the New York Times, Miami Herald, LA TImes and Washington Post, recounted the ballots and Bush won by three times as many votes as they first thought--and that doesn't count the thousnads that were stolen when Rather and othes lied on national TV that a) the polls were closed in FL (they were still open for another hour in the panhandle) and b) that Gore had won. The next time around was proof positive---Bush won the state by 400,000 plus votes. And Justice Roberts and Justice Alito, both good justices were not appointed until Bush's second term.

You need to read more.

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Jesus Christ
Posted by: pasha on Sep 30, 2008 12:17 PM   
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Freedom is Biblical, that means political freedom and economic freedom NOT government control, particularly NOT pagan government control. Jesus Christ grew up in an occupied country. His mission was spiritual, not political--that would have come had the nation of Israel accepted him, which it did not. There is no place in the Bible where men of God handed moeny out to beggars or criminals or those who sired children and did not take care of them.

Christianity and Biblical believers of the Old Testament fit with conservatism, personal respoinsiblity. You are responsible to work, provide foryour family, which includes your eldery. Socialism rejects and hates God and persecuted Christians. It destroys initiative. The Bible says is any would not work, neither should he eat--and that means even WITHIN the fellowship of believers. Everyone must be responsible. It also says not to go in debt, that debt makes you a slave---and that was even physically true in those days as many people became slaves or sold their children (as they do in China) to pay their debts--they didn't get to use government to rob the responsible. IF they had honor, they worked off their debt. But the Bible told them not to get in debt in the first place--disobedience, selfishness, pride and greed brought them into slavery.

No man of God ever handed out money to anyone. JEsus Christ taught them the Word of God and if they had the believing, healed them. ANd his followers are to do likewise. (That is what evangelism is, teaching people the truth of Gods' Word.) Forty years of welfare--in some communities we are looking at 8 gneerations of welfare fatherless families becuase socialists made that possible. Many girls get pregnant so they can get social services to provide them an apartmetn and monthly checks---I know, I used to work for Legal Services and we go those calls EVERY DAY. Now 78% of black chldren are illegimate---forty years ago it was about 20%. Why, becuase socialism has replaced morality and respoinsiblity. SO others do without to provide for those without disciline and morals--and then their kids destroy the schools and kill each other in the streetes. Yeah, sociaalism is a great thing--if you hate peoplle and hate God.

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Cathollics
Posted by: pasha on Sep 30, 2008 12:23 PM   
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A lot of catholic ideas come from pagan Roman and Babylonian religion, not the Bible (See Babylon Mystery Religion) The RC church was prettty much founded in the 4th century by the Roman emperior Consttantine, who controlled the Council of Nicea. The first century Christian church met in homes and did not have a mass ceremony.

I've heard of the "Toronto" thing, have no idea if Governor Palin has any involvement with it. It is a mistake, a violation of what the church epistle Corinthians says about meetings being "decent and in order" and "sll things be done to edifying." This was specifically noted, because it came up in the first century church during the mnistry of Paul, but those people were still good believers. He corrected them. If her church (or any other, or individual) is wrong, it has to be shown by chapter and verse from scripture.

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GW
Posted by: pasha on Sep 30, 2008 12:44 PM   
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GW is a lie and a fraud. Last year was the coldest year in ten years and this one is already proving colder--we had to put heat on the last week of May and already in September. The solar flares are over, (they run in about ll year cycles) so the temperatures are cooling. There is NOTHIG man cna do to heat the planet---most can't even fully heat a small building properly. There is NO global temperature, just as there is no global climate. There are many climates and in most places, you go less than ten miles and temparatures vary by five degrees or more. Rainfall and preciptiation vary even more.

The only thing powerful enough and big enough to heat the earth is the sun. And if you study a little science, Mars and Jupter also had periods of heating--obviously man and his technology had nothing to do with that. It's the sun, stupid!!

I suggest a couple graduate level courses in Earth Science also known as Geology, including historical geolgoy, which will show that there are warming periods every 1500 years (there is a boook by that title, Unstoppable Glbal Warming Every 1500 Years) and several others. You have been lied to and you have believed the lie.

There is also the Melankovitch cycle, of which were are moviong out of the middle. You will see it stay cooler---remember those icicles on oranges in Souther California? The freeze line has moved south.,

The problem is most people are ignoranat of science and economics--and the Bible, and so they believe the lies they are fed. Our atmosphere is tens of trillions of cubic tons, most of which is water vapor and nitrogen. When there is more carbon diozide and warmer tmeperatures, more plants grow, which is good for people, who are healthier. Plants LOVE carbdon dioxide, not as the ignorant think a polutant. Basic biology: plants use carbon dioxide and produce oxygen, which people breath. ANd plants also provide food for man and beast. In warmer periods, people can spread around the earth and live longer.

It was warmer in Roman times -- ion which they could grow grapes in Britainl There was then a "Little Ice Age" and it warmed up in the alte Middle Ages--the Medieval Warm people, in which life and culture and economy flourished.

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GW
Posted by: pasha on Sep 30, 2008 12:44 PM   
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GW is a lie and a fraud. Last year was the coldest year in ten years and this one is already proving colder--we had to put heat on the last week of May and already in September. The solar flares are over, (they run in about ll year cycles) so the temperatures are cooling. There is NOTHIG man cna do to heat the planet---most can't even fully heat a small building properly. There is NO global temperature, just as there is no global climate. There are many climates and in most places, you go less than ten miles and temparatures vary by five degrees or more. Rainfall and preciptiation vary even more.

The only thing powerful enough and big enough to heat the earth is the sun. And if you study a little science, Mars and Jupter also had periods of heating--obviously man and his technology had nothing to do with that. It's the sun, stupid!!

I suggest a couple graduate level courses in Earth Science also known as Geology, including historical geolgoy, which will show that there are warming periods every 1500 years (there is a boook by that title, Unstoppable Glbal Warming Every 1500 Years) and several others. You have been lied to and you have believed the lie.

There is also the Melankovitch cycle, of which were are moviong out of the middle. You will see it stay cooler---remember those icicles on oranges in Souther California? The freeze line has moved south.,

The problem is most people are ignoranat of science and economics--and the Bible, and so they believe the lies they are fed. Our atmosphere is tens of trillions of cubic tons, most of which is water vapor and nitrogen. When there is more carbon diozide and warmer tmeperatures, more plants grow, which is good for people, who are healthier. Plants LOVE carbdon dioxide, not as the ignorant think a polutant. Basic biology: plants use carbon dioxide and produce oxygen, which people breath. ANd plants also provide food for man and beast. In warmer periods, people can spread around the earth and live longer.

It was warmer in Roman times -- ion which they could grow grapes in Britainl There was then a "Little Ice Age" and it warmed up in the alte Middle Ages--the Medieval Warm people, in which life and culture and economy flourished.

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GW
Posted by: pasha on Sep 30, 2008 12:44 PM   
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GW is a lie and a fraud. Last year was the coldest year in ten years and this one is already proving colder--we had to put heat on the last week of May and already in September. The solar flares are over, (they run in about ll year cycles) so the temperatures are cooling. There is NOTHIG man cna do to heat the planet---most can't even fully heat a small building properly. There is NO global temperature, just as there is no global climate. There are many climates and in most places, you go less than ten miles and temparatures vary by five degrees or more. Rainfall and preciptiation vary even more.

The only thing powerful enough and big enough to heat the earth is the sun. And if you study a little science, Mars and Jupter also had periods of heating--obviously man and his technology had nothing to do with that. It's the sun, stupid!!

I suggest a couple graduate level courses in Earth Science also known as Geology, including historical geolgoy, which will show that there are warming periods every 1500 years (there is a boook by that title, Unstoppable Glbal Warming Every 1500 Years) and several others. You have been lied to and you have believed the lie.

There is also the Melankovitch cycle, of which were are moviong out of the middle. You will see it stay cooler---remember those icicles on oranges in Souther California? The freeze line has moved south.,

The problem is most people are ignoranat of science and economics--and the Bible, and so they believe the lies they are fed. Our atmosphere is tens of trillions of cubic tons, most of which is water vapor and nitrogen. When there is more carbon diozide and warmer tmeperatures, more plants grow, which is good for people, who are healthier. Plants LOVE carbdon dioxide, not as the ignorant think a polutant. Basic biology: plants use carbon dioxide and produce oxygen, which people breath. ANd plants also provide food for man and beast. In warmer periods, people can spread around the earth and live longer.

It was warmer in Roman times -- ion which they could grow grapes in Britainl There was then a "Little Ice Age" and it warmed up in the alte Middle Ages--the Medieval Warm people, in which life and culture and economy flourished.

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need
Posted by: pasha on Sep 30, 2008 12:49 PM   
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When people can take from pooled resources, they always try to take as much as possible. The first coloniy in MA nearly perished beause they tried that. As with welfare, some would not work, because they knew they could TAKe what they "needed" when they hadn't provided nay of it. Half of htem died, because the takers gave nothing and took more than they needed. They then went to a private property and personal responsiblity system and prsopered. Many of us are sick of doing without because so much is sucked out of us in taxes and seeing those who get it live better than we do. They get "free" (ie. paid by ME) AC, utitlites, "public" housing in which they pass less than 20% of the atual cosat while we pay more in costs and taxes so they can spend their money on HDTV, $200 sneakers, movies and dinners out every week, several hundred dollar a month phone and cell phone bills. I have none of the above because I am paying for the selfish, egostistical and irersponsible, and their handlers, who like to destroy the middle class by handing out bread and circues to the igrnoant who will keep voting for those who give them "Freebies," even though they would do much better if they were responsible and worked to better themselves.

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Books
Posted by: pasha on Sep 30, 2008 12:50 PM   
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Actually the book ban thing was a lie, someone's talking pionts.

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Jesus Christ
Posted by: pasha on Sep 30, 2008 12:55 PM   
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Get a good concordance and look up compassion in relation to Jesus Christ. IN EVERY instance, it required teaching of the Word of God and requiring people to believe it, "hd had compassion on them as sheep haaving no shepherd AND TAUGHT THEM" He taught them to Do the Word of God--and many left him when they say he wasnt going to give "free" food at every meeting, but requried discipline and comitment. On some occasions, the compassion beuase they beieved, resulted in healing But he never gave handouts, never gave out money, especially not someone else's.

And he confroned the hyprocrites and white sepulchres who talked about giving money to the poor and it being "for the people." That's the biggest lie of the socialists , "For the people>" The people can do for themselves and should---and with socialists, it's only for their pet, mentally enslaved people. It surely is no benefit to those of us who have half our paychecks taken every week.

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Jesus Christ
Posted by: pasha on Sep 30, 2008 12:55 PM   
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Get a good concordance and look up compassion in relation to Jesus Christ. IN EVERY instance, it required teaching of the Word of God and requiring people to believe it, "hd had compassion on them as sheep haaving no shepherd AND TAUGHT THEM" He taught them to Do the Word of God--and many left him when they say he wasnt going to give "free" food at every meeting, but requried discipline and comitment. On some occasions, the compassion beuase they beieved, resulted in healing But he never gave handouts, never gave out money, especially not someone else's.

And he confroned the hyprocrites and white sepulchres who talked about giving money to the poor and it being "for the people." That's the biggest lie of the socialists , "For the people>" The people can do for themselves and should---and with socialists, it's only for their pet, mentally enslaved people. It surely is no benefit to those of us who have half our paychecks taken every week.

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TO PASTA!
Posted by: YouReapProsperity on Sep 30, 2008 5:42 PM   
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I don't know whether to laugh or pity the flighty haters who think Governor Palin would have anything to do with a theocracy.

PASTA? Don’t you think you, I and the rest of the free world deserve a chance at changing the course of this nation? Or are you one of the top 1% rich?

Have any of you even BEEN to Alaska,

Yes, I have! let alone lived there?

I have lived there, and where is this going?

Alaskans are the most independent people in the nation.

Is it true Palin does not like indigenous peoples there; lets hear from former co-workers and colleagues there instead of you and what are you afraid of PASTA having Obama as President over getting it up the taxpayer butt from McCain the Same? It’s a phenomenon among poor white Republican voters, discuss among yourself!

It is truly the last frontier of hardworking and independents who want to live in harmony with nature but don’t worship it!

What the hell does this statement mean?

Fundamentalists have as much right to serve in government offices as pagans and religion haters do---we have no "religoius test" for any office. The anti-religious test is really a marxist thing. Don't worry, you won't die, though you may cringe in guilt, if she mentions the name of God or of Jeuss Christ. Big deal. We all hear a lot of things all down that are offensive and downright stupid.

I am a retired Christian baby, I have no more guilt to give. You mean those Salem Christians who burned all those witches and devils only to have them run the government? You lost me PASTA! Why is it you can’t find two Christians to agree on anything? First you say this is a nation founded on “Christian values and mores”, that’s why it was necessary to bash in the heads of women and children lest they contaminate their own land? Remember PASTA, Hitler was Christian too and everything he did was legal!


But so far, virtually all of that has come from Palin haters.
Hardly.

It is McCain who is trying to prosecute people who disagree with him, the most ignorant man ever to run for President. He knows NOTHING about the Constitution, and even less about economics.

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Governor Pilate/Palin
Posted by: YouReapProsperity on Sep 30, 2008 6:06 PM   
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It is Obama who is trying to prosecute people who disagree with him, the most ignorant man ever to run for President. He knows NOTHING about the Constitution, and even less about economics.

Wow PASTA, I guess we should appreciate what a great job McBush has done for you and your lack of spelling, I see why you are Republican. US Presidents have been alcoholics, genocidal generals, womanizers (guess that’s a freebee!) and liars (Nixon). Obama must really put a stone in your shoe PASTA! Don’t worry PASTA, even if he gets elected, some hero comrade of yours will kill him because in this great nation, it is acceptable to kill your leaders and anyone you don’t like, we have plenty of holy weapons to, as the late Jerry Falwell said at the beginning of the war, “Lets blow them all to hell praise the Lord!”

The man (Obama) has never run even a business. Gov. Palin has run a family business. the 4th largest and fastest growing city in the state, commmanded the Alaska National Guard and State Guard and run the state with the largest land mass and richest economic resources in the country.

Okay PASTA, I’ll give you one last chance to spell right so I can read it faster, otherwise, I’ll have to read it at a Republican pace!

Obama couldn't even decice how to vote on issues and voted "present": more often than anything else. He's been useless in the US Senate, but it's a good thing he hasn't been there much, lest he cause more trouble.

PASTA? Why doesn’t McCain let us see his military records? Or at least the other men (and their families) he was imprisoned with? Is it because there is something we are not allowed to know about this man? Is this not just more Bush Republican secrecy? Do you need a bible to tell you Thou shalt not Steal or Bear False Witness against thy neighbor? If Obama is the most evil ignorant man you bleed he is, does this still make McCain and Palin enlightened ones from Heaven? You are one sad puppy PASTA. Tell ya what! I’ll read more if you promise to get out more! And by the way, I do know the scriptures well, I just don’t see how and why your hate for Obama plays such a key role in your pretty little universe while there is suffering around the world. Was Christ there for the suffering PASTA or was he there to serve governor Pilate?

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Gods will not mine
Posted by: truman on Oct 1, 2008 3:28 AM   
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All Gods must have a sense of humor just waiting to see what fool fanatic will push the button first

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