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For McCain, 'Country First' Means Taking the Country Down with Him
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What we learned last week is that the man who always puts his "country first" will take the country down with him if that's what it takes to get to the White House.
For all the focus on Friday night's deadlocked debate, it still can't obscure what preceded it: When John McCain gratuitously parachuted into Washington on Thursday, he didn't care if his grandstanding might precipitate an even deeper economic collapse. All he cared about was whether he might save his campaign. George Bush put more deliberation into invading Iraq than McCain did into his own reckless invasion of the delicate Congressional negotiations on the bailout plan.
By the time he arrived, there already was a bipartisan agreement in principle. It collapsed hours later at the meeting convened by the president in the Cabinet Room. Rather than help try to resuscitate Wall Street's bloodied bulls, McCain was determined to be the bull in Washington's legislative china shop, running around town and playing both sides of his divided party against Congress's middle. Once others eventually forged a path out of the wreckage, he'd inflate, if not outright fictionalize, his own role in cleaning up the mess his mischief helped make. Or so he hoped, until his ignominious retreat.
The question is why would a man who forever advertises his own honor toy so selfishly with our national interest at a time of crisis. I'll leave any physiological explanations to gerontologists -- if they can get hold of his complete medical records -- and any armchair psychoanalysis to the sundry McCain press acolytes who have sorrowfully tried to rationalize his erratic behavior this year. The other answers, all putting politics first, can be found by examining the 24 hours before he decided to "suspend" campaigning and swoop down on the Capitol to save America from the Sunnis or the Shia, or whoever perpetrated all those credit-default swaps.
To put these 24 hours in context, you must remember that McCain not only knows little about the economy but that he has not previously expressed any urgency about its meltdown. It was on Sept. 15 -- the day after his former idol Alan Greenspan pronounced the current crisis a "once-in-a-century" catastrophe -- that McCain reaffirmed for the umpteenth time that the "fundamentals of our economy are strong." As recently as Tuesday he had not yet even read the two-and-a-half-page bailout proposal first circulated by Hank Paulson last weekend. "I have not had a chance to see it in writing," he explained. (Maybe he was waiting for it to arrive by Western Union instead of PDF.)
Then came Black Wednesday -- not for the stock market, which was holding steady in anticipation of Washington action, but for McCain. As the widely accepted narrative has it, his come-to-Jesus moment arrived that morning, when he awoke to discover that Barack Obama had surged ahead by nine percentage points in the Washington Post/ABC News poll. The McCain campaign hastily suited up its own pollster to belittle that finding -- only to be drowned out by a fusillade of new polls from Fox News, Marist and CNN/Time, each with numbers closer to Post/ABC than not. Obama was rising most everywhere except the moose strongholds of Alaska and Montana.
That was not the only bad news raining down on McCain. His camp knew what Katie Couric had in the can from her interview with Sarah Palin. The first excerpt was to be broadcast by CBS that night, and it had to be upstaged fast.
But even that wasn't the top political threat McCain faced last week. Bigger still was the mounting evidence of the seamless synergy between his campaign and Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the mortgage monsters at the heart of the housing bust that set off our current calamity. Most of all, it was the fast-moving events on that front that precipitated his panic to roll out his diversionary, over-the-top theatrics on Wednesday.
What we were learning -- through The New York Times, Newsweek and Roll Call -- was ugly. Davis Manafort, the lobbying firm owned by McCain's campaign manager, Rick Davis, had received $15,000 a month from Freddie Mac from late 2005 until last month. This was in addition to the $30,000 a month that Davis was paid from 2000 to 2005 by the so-called Homeownership Alliance, an advocacy organization that he headed and that was financed by Freddie and Fannie to fight regulation.
The McCain campaign tried to pre-emptively deflect such revelations by reviving the old Rove trick of accusing your opponent of your own biggest failings. It ran attack ads about Obama's own links to the mortgage giants. But neither of the former Freddie-Fannie executives vilified in those ads, Franklin Raines and James Johnson, had worked at those companies lately or are currently associated with the Obama campaign. (Raines never worked for the campaign at all.) By contrast, Davis is the tip of the Freddie-Fannie-McCain iceberg. McCain's senior adviser, his campaign's vice chairman, his Congressional liaison and the reported head of his White House transition team all either made fortunes from recent Freddie-Fannie lobbying or were players in firms that did.
By Wednesday, the McCain campaign's latest tactic for countering this news -- attacking the press, especially The Times -- was paying diminishing returns. Davis abruptly canceled his scheduled appearance that day at a weekly reporters' lunch sponsored by The Christian Science Monitor, escaping any further questions by pleading that he had to hit the campaign trail. (He turned up at the "21" Club in New York that night, wining and dining McCain fund-raisers.)
It's then that Angry Old Ironsides McCain suddenly emerged to bark that our financial distress was "the greatest crisis we've faced, clearly, since World War II" -- even greater than the Russia-Georgia conflict, which in August he had called the "first probably serious crisis internationally since the end of the cold war." Campaigns, debates and no doubt Bristol Palin's nuptials had to be suspended immediately so he could ride to the rescue, with Joe Lieberman as his Robin.
Yet even as he huffed and puffed about being a "leader," McCain took no action and felt no urgency. As his Congressional colleagues worked tirelessly in Washington, he malingered in New York. He checked out the suffering on Main Street (or perhaps High Street) by conferring with Lady Lynn Forester de Rothschild, the Hillary-turned-McCain supporter best known for her fabulous London digs and her diatribes against Obama's elitism. McCain also found time to have a well-publicized chat with one of those celebrities he so disdains, Bono, and to give a self-promoting public speech at the Clinton Global Initiative.
There was no suspension of his campaign. His surrogates and ads remained on television. Huffington Post bloggers, working the phones, couldn't find a single McCain campaign office that had gone on hiatus. This "suspension" ruse was an exact replay of McCain's self-righteous "suspension" of the G.O.P. convention as Hurricane Gustav arrived on Labor Day. "We will put aside our political hats and put on our American hats," he declared then, solemnly pledging that conventioneers would help those in need. But as anyone in the Twin Cities could see, the assembled put on their party hats instead, piling into the lobbyists' bacchanals earlier than scheduled, albeit on the down-low.
Much of the press paid lip service to McCain's new "suspension" as it had to its prototype. In truth, the only campaign activity McCain did drop was a Wednesday evening taping with David Letterman. Don't mess with Dave. Picking up where the "The View" left off in speaking truth to power, the uncharacteristically furious host hammered the absent McCain on and off for 40 minutes, repeatedly observing that the cancellation "didn't smell right."
In a journalistic coup de grce worthy of "60 Minutes," Letterman went on to unmask his no-show guest as a liar. McCain had phoned himself that afternoon to say he was "getting on a plane immediately" to deal with the grave situation in Washington, Letterman told the audience. Then he showed video of McCain being touched up by a makeup artist while awaiting an interview by Couric that same evening at another CBS studio in New York.
It's not hard to guess why McCain had blown off Letterman for Couric at the last minute. The McCain campaign's high anxiety about the disastrous Couric-Palin sit-down was skyrocketing as advance excerpts flooded the Internet. By offering his own interview to Couric for the same night, McCain hoped (in vain) to dilute Palin's primacy on the "CBS Evening News."
Letterman's most mordant laughs on Wednesday came when he riffed about McCain's campaign "suspension": "Do you suspend your campaign? No, because that makes me think maybe there will be other things down the road, like if he's in the White House, he might just suspend being president. I mean, we've got a guy like that now!"
That's no joke. Bush has so little credibility he can govern only through surrogates (Paulson is the new Petraeus). When he spoke about the economic crisis in prime time earlier that same night, he registered as no more than an irritating speed bump en route to "David Blaine: Dive of Death."
It's that utter power vacuum that gave McCain the opening to pull his potentially catastrophic display of economic "leadership" last week. He may be the first presidential candidate in our history to risk wrecking the country even before being voted into the Oval Office.
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Posted by: NoMcCainPalin on Sep 28, 2008 4:25 PM
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He broke both arms and one leg during the bailout. In return for medical treatment at a civilian hospital, a privilege never granted to other injured POWs, he reportedly told NVA interrogators the name of his aircraft carrier, how many Navy pilots had been lost, the number of planes in his flight formation, tactics used during bomb runs and the location of rescue ships in the Tonkin Gulf.
Because of the revelations which McCain repeated in propaganda radio broadcasts, the North Vietnamese contemptuously nicknamed him “Songbird.”
During his six-week hospital stay and for months afterwards, McCain continued to cooperate with NVA interrogators. He made more radio broadcasts for the enemy and met with foreign dignitaries, enjoying hot tea, coffee and cigarettes in posh settings while back at the Hanoi Hilton and other internment camps, his fellow POWs struggled to stay alive.
In one case, while meeting with Cuban journalist Fernando Barral, McCain voluntarily spoke in Spanish, even though he was obligated by the POW Code of Conduct to be evasive during their conversation.
The Barral interview took place in 1970, more than two years after McCain’s capture, when he was no longer being tortured.
The meeting lasted nearly an hour and took place at Hanoi's luxurious Foreign Relations headquarters where cookies, oranges, coffee and cigarettes were offered to McCain and accepted.
Barral said McCain told him that he had not been subjected to "physical or moral violence." Speaking in Spanish, he talked about his family, aspirations for the future and the downing of his plane.
Quoting Barral, "McCain lamented, 'If I hadn't been shot down, I would have become an admiral at a younger age than my father.'"
Although McCain claimed he didn’t discuss military matters with Barral, the Hanoi Hilton's U.S. commander, SRO Jeremiah Denton, later issued an order forbidding POWs to be interviewed by visitors.
Said McCain on page 305 of his 1999 autobiography, Faith of Our Fathers (hardcopy edition), “The decision was a sound one, even though it deprived me of further opportunities to demonstrate my psychic equilibrium… not to mention the [loss of] extra cigarettes and coffee."
Also in his autobio, while admitting to accepting special favors from the enemy, such as coffee and cigarettes, a blatant violation of the POW's Code of Conduct, McCain omitted the fact he had conversed with Barral in Spanish. another Code violation.
Quite clearly while a POW, Songbird McCain had his own "maverick" code of conduct -- the same dishonorable one he is employing on the campaign trail today.
Finally, to learn why McCain is unfit for command plus know the truth about his so-called heroic POW record, click on: Vote Against McCain (HOTTEST anti-McCain site on the Web)
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Posted by: ahmlco on Sep 28, 2008 5:27 PM
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Unfortunately, I haven't seen anything that's lead me to believe he'll stop playing fast and loose with the truth if he actually BECOMES president. Once in the oval office, and like Bush, what else will he do or say to accomplish that what he personally believes needs to be done?
Another quote says it best, "Seductive is the dark side..."
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Posted by: NoMcCainPalin on Sep 28, 2008 5:54 PM
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An easy way to evaluate McCain’s present-day love and devotion for America is to list those things a real patriot would NOT do.
For example, a real patriot would NOT claim he’s for regulating business when he was against it his entire political life.
A real patriot would NOT lie about his opponent during a presidential campaign, such as saying Barack Obama's economic plan will raise taxes on working Americans, which is false.
A real patriot pursuing the presidency would pick the best qualified person possible for his running mate, NOT an inexperienced hockey mom beauty queen.
A real patriot would NOT flip-flop on campaign issues to win votes, like saying Bush’s 2001 tax cuts unfairly favored rich people, then claiming the lopsided refunds were justified – such as the top 2% of wage earners getting back $32,000 while the bottom 20% received only $21.
A real patriot who had served in uniform would NOT vote against 70% of all war veteran legislation in Congress, which McCain did.
A real patriot who had been a prisoner of war would NOT stop a Senate Select Committee’s investigation into the fate of missing U.S. servicemen in Southeast Asia, which McCain did in 1992, and seal their DOD records and those of POWs, including his own.
A real patriot would NOT involve himself in a S&L scandal like the Keating Five, which cost taxpayers billions in bailout money.
A real patriot would NOT vote for a war based on suspect intelligence and secret motives.
A real patriot would NOT approve the torture of enemy combatants which could lead to captured U.S. troops suffering same fate.
There are many other examples but I think you get the picture. Far from being a patriot, John McCain is a dishonest, egocentric, flag-waving, lobby-loving politician who has forgotten what honor and integrity are all about.
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These are things that should be very obvious to everybody, but the cognitive dissonance that reigns supreme among Republics simply won't allow them to acknowledge the truth of this situation and the truth about their nominee.
McStain is unfit to be President of the United States.
Sarah Palin is unfit to be Vice President of the United States.
I hope enough people wake up to that fact before it's too late and we're stuck with another loooooooser president. We won't survive another four years of the same (or worse).
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Posted by: dipconsult on Sep 29, 2008 4:12 AM
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It's not a question of left or right, Rep. of Dem. - for us Europeans it's plain (Palin?)fear: American voters elected the obviously unqualified G W Bush and the well known neo-conservative Cheney in 1999. AND did the same again in 2003 when worldwide disaster of Iraq was already becoming apparent.
America's voters, now once again about even in the polls, are quite likely to show their dangerous ignorance a third time and give us 72 yr old past sell-by-date McCain and even more dangerous and utterly unqualified Palin with her good actuarial chance of "running the world".
KEY POINT - McCain's whole campaign depends on bragging that his 'experience' automatically qualifies him to be Commander-in-Chief. But of course experience does not in itself qualify!
Cheney and Rumsfeld had far more experience (executive not just Senatorial) but they manufactured the Iraq war that has proved far more disastrous financially as well as militarily, than ever did the Vietnam war.
And McCain, despite all that boasted "experience" in Vietnam and the Senate, backed and enthusiastically supported Cheney/Rumsfeld - thereby risking a second "Vietnam" in Iraq (Petreus himself insists the temporary improvement is extremely fragile and could disappear as the US draws down: i.e the same "can't stay,can't leave" situation as in Vietnam).
Indeed, as a direct result of "Iraq", there's maybe even another "Vietnam" looming in Afghanistan!
Yet he - McCain - was the one US politician who might have made Bush think twice about the invasion had he - with his "experience" - come out against it!
Obama really must deliver this knockout blow: "experience" is NOT qualification - bad judgement nullifies it! And McCain voted for the worldwide catastrophe for the U.S. of "Iraq"
On all this please see my: www.dipconsult.eu
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Posted by: beautifulady2003 on Sep 29, 2008 5:46 AM
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Now he is so self-absorbed that his every move is for his own benefit. His ego is supreme, and he has no hesitation in employing smear tactics against his opponents, does not care to control his temper, and has no compassion for others. He even cares so little for his wife (I won't even get into how she became his wife, that story has been told endless times already) that he would call her obscene names in public.
McCain has prostituted himself and lost whatever morals he may once have had. In fact, he does not even show respect to his own experience as a POW but instead has exploited it and thereby cheapened its message.
In place of knowledge and competence, he prefers to ally himself with power and influence. In that respect alone, he is identical with George W. Bush.
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Posted by: gee gee on Sep 29, 2008 7:56 AM
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The true horror of it all is that he would willingly put Palin in line for the presidency. That he thinks so little of anything other than the retention of power and ambition that he would risk the wellbeing, security and liberties of his fellow citizens for 4-5 percentage points in the polls.
It is truly disgusting. And 1/2 of the country will support him. Where has it all gone wrong?
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Posted by: jacksmith on Sep 29, 2008 8:34 AM
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What ever congress does to try and fix our stunning economic catastrophe needs to be done very carefully. Congress needs to take their time, and be sure of what they are doing. Whatever is done needs to be sharply focused at helping, and protecting the best interest of the ordinary Americans. In particular the vast American middle class. 700 billion dollars is a lot of the peoples money to spend to bail out a bunch of corrupt Bush loan sharks.
When have you ever known any government plan, or project to only cost what the government said it would. Remember the war in Iraq. Bush and his so-called advisers said it would only cost you about 80 billion dollars. But we now know that the war in Iraq will cost you, and your children, and your grand children over a trillion dollars, and still counting.
So if 80 billion can end up costing you over a trillion dollars. How much could 700 billion end up costing you. Any math wizards out there. I come up with 9 trillion...:-(
My fellow human beings, just as I warned you ahead of this catastrophic economic meltdown, I must now warn you that what is ahead has the potential to be even more catastrophic than what we are going through now. The worlds geopolitical landscape has been booby trapped by the Bush McCain administration and their republican allies in congress. These booby traps are poised to spring at any time.
Fortunately the Worlds Nations have been blessed with many excellent leaders (except the US) who have been careful, wise, strong, and self-restrained in dealing with the provocations, and antagonism's of the Bush, McCain administration.
Barack Obama and the democrats are your best hope now. Tell your family, friends, and everyone you know to support them as best you can, and vote for them like your life, and the lives of your loved ones depends on it. Because it does. You will not survive 4 more years of Bush McCain.
JACK SMITH - WORKING CLASS...
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Posted by: MeyravLevine on Sep 29, 2008 9:48 AM
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Obama, if he were a true progressive, would have come out against the baliout plan and would have demanded a comprehensive regulation plan before giving our money to super rich hogs.
But Obama is a neoliberal pig, somewhat less evil than his evil twin the neocon McCain.
So at the end the public pays for the greed of super rich.
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Posted by: michelle1963 on Sep 29, 2008 9:53 AM
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Within eights years Bush screwed up our economy, went to war in Iraq when Al Queda was in Afganistan.
Bush took the surplus we had when President Clinton was in office and Bush put us in the RED.
We do not need a Third Term of Bush.
No to John McCain, No Way, No How
John McCain is devious, old, self-serving, deceitful and in bed with the lobbyists and special interests, who by the way, are running his campaign.
We need Change now.
Vote for Barack Obama for President.
Obama/Biden 08
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Posted by: master09 on Sep 29, 2008 10:25 PM
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In this case it is not very hard to tell when someone is a pathological liar.
Some people just are liars and lie to be lieing because they can and they don't care about getting caught and aware that you know they have lied. These people care not about lying, it's no big deal. It's like "ok, so what? I lied". The pathological liar on the other hand, IS aware that they are lying BUT will go to extremes to make you believe that they are truthful. They appear to believe their own lies BUT in truth, they know their lies are just that, lies. But because their efforts are constantly backing up their lies, it appears to us that they actually believe their lies, when we eventually do find out about them and then we tend to feel sorry for these people. Then they have an excuse, "I am sick, I don't know why I lie, I believed what I was saying etc." The only truth was the fact that they don't know why they lie. Other than that it's crap. It is true that most of them have an extremely low sense of self worth and are continuously trying to make themselves feel better about THEMSELVES and this is one reason they lie.
Today the republicians want us to believe they voted against the bailout because they cared for the country. The truth of the matter is, they saw this issue as an election winner to put the blame on the democrates for bailing out wall street. Everyone know that the democrates have enought votes to pass this bill without the republicians but they do not want to take all the blame for bailing out wall street, because the republicians will jumped on this sh*t like white on rice and ride it all the way to the election. So now the dems have to agree to the demands of the republicians. OK! but once the bill is passed explain to the american people what changes the Reps wanted, it will have nothing to do with saving the country.
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» "things that went on" behind closed doors? Like, um, the War on Iraq?
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» disgusting language
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» in any language .........
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» garbage
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» RE: "things that went on" behind closed doors? Like, um, the War on Iraq?
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» RE: wrensis, they not only make their deals behind closed doors
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» The System is RIGGED! Wake up!
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» What should the people do?
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» What Should Alternet Do?
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Posted by: GrantBurkeVT on Sep 28, 2008 3:22 PM
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Posted by: NoMcCainPalin on Sep 28, 2008 4:25 PM
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He broke both arms and one leg during the bailout. In return for medical treatment at a civilian hospital, a privilege never granted to other injured POWs, he reportedly told NVA interrogators the name of his aircraft carrier, how many Navy pilots had been lost, the number of planes in his flight formation, tactics used during bomb runs and the location of rescue ships in the Tonkin Gulf.
Because of the revelations which McCain repeated in propaganda radio broadcasts, the North Vietnamese contemptuously nicknamed him “Songbird.”
During his six-week hospital stay and for months afterwards, McCain continued to cooperate with NVA interrogators. He made more radio broadcasts for the enemy and met with foreign dignitaries, enjoying hot tea, coffee and cigarettes in posh settings while back at the Hanoi Hilton and other internment camps, his fellow POWs struggled to stay alive.
In one case, while meeting with Cuban journalist Fernando Barral, McCain voluntarily spoke in Spanish, even though he was obligated by the POW Code of Conduct to be evasive during their conversation.
The Barral interview took place in 1970, more than two years after McCain’s capture, when he was no longer being tortured.
The meeting lasted nearly an hour and took place at Hanoi's luxurious Foreign Relations headquarters where cookies, oranges, coffee and cigarettes were offered to McCain and accepted.
Barral said McCain told him that he had not been subjected to "physical or moral violence." Speaking in Spanish, he talked about his family, aspirations for the future and the downing of his plane.
Quoting Barral, "McCain lamented, 'If I hadn't been shot down, I would have become an admiral at a younger age than my father.'"
Although McCain claimed he didn’t discuss military matters with Barral, the Hanoi Hilton's U.S. commander, SRO Jeremiah Denton, later issued an order forbidding POWs to be interviewed by visitors.
Said McCain on page 305 of his 1999 autobiography, Faith of Our Fathers (hardcopy edition), “The decision was a sound one, even though it deprived me of further opportunities to demonstrate my psychic equilibrium… not to mention the [loss of] extra cigarettes and coffee."
Also in his autobio, while admitting to accepting special favors from the enemy, such as coffee and cigarettes, a blatant violation of the POW's Code of Conduct, McCain omitted the fact he had conversed with Barral in Spanish. another Code violation.
Quite clearly while a POW, Songbird McCain had his own "maverick" code of conduct -- the same dishonorable one he is employing on the campaign trail today.
Finally, to learn why McCain is unfit for command plus know the truth about his so-called heroic POW record, click on: Vote Against McCain (HOTTEST anti-McCain site on the Web)
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» because his father was an admiral - duh!!
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» For the answer, Last Chance, visit www.VietnamVeteransAgainstJohnMcCain.com
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Posted by: ahmlco on Sep 28, 2008 5:27 PM
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Unfortunately, I haven't seen anything that's lead me to believe he'll stop playing fast and loose with the truth if he actually BECOMES president. Once in the oval office, and like Bush, what else will he do or say to accomplish that what he personally believes needs to be done?
Another quote says it best, "Seductive is the dark side..."
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Posted by: NoMcCainPalin on Sep 28, 2008 5:54 PM
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An easy way to evaluate McCain’s present-day love and devotion for America is to list those things a real patriot would NOT do.
For example, a real patriot would NOT claim he’s for regulating business when he was against it his entire political life.
A real patriot would NOT lie about his opponent during a presidential campaign, such as saying Barack Obama's economic plan will raise taxes on working Americans, which is false.
A real patriot pursuing the presidency would pick the best qualified person possible for his running mate, NOT an inexperienced hockey mom beauty queen.
A real patriot would NOT flip-flop on campaign issues to win votes, like saying Bush’s 2001 tax cuts unfairly favored rich people, then claiming the lopsided refunds were justified – such as the top 2% of wage earners getting back $32,000 while the bottom 20% received only $21.
A real patriot who had served in uniform would NOT vote against 70% of all war veteran legislation in Congress, which McCain did.
A real patriot who had been a prisoner of war would NOT stop a Senate Select Committee’s investigation into the fate of missing U.S. servicemen in Southeast Asia, which McCain did in 1992, and seal their DOD records and those of POWs, including his own.
A real patriot would NOT involve himself in a S&L scandal like the Keating Five, which cost taxpayers billions in bailout money.
A real patriot would NOT vote for a war based on suspect intelligence and secret motives.
A real patriot would NOT approve the torture of enemy combatants which could lead to captured U.S. troops suffering same fate.
There are many other examples but I think you get the picture. Far from being a patriot, John McCain is a dishonest, egocentric, flag-waving, lobby-loving politician who has forgotten what honor and integrity are all about.
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Posted by: Hans B on Sep 28, 2008 6:46 PM
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Posted by: Quannah on Sep 28, 2008 6:59 PM
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These are things that should be very obvious to everybody, but the cognitive dissonance that reigns supreme among Republics simply won't allow them to acknowledge the truth of this situation and the truth about their nominee.
McStain is unfit to be President of the United States.
Sarah Palin is unfit to be Vice President of the United States.
I hope enough people wake up to that fact before it's too late and we're stuck with another loooooooser president. We won't survive another four years of the same (or worse).
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Posted by: Direct Democracy on Sep 28, 2008 7:37 PM
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http://www.counterpunch.org/valentine06132008.html
FREE AMERICA
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Posted by: ranchero42 on Sep 28, 2008 11:35 PM
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Posted by: dipconsult on Sep 29, 2008 4:12 AM
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It's not a question of left or right, Rep. of Dem. - for us Europeans it's plain (Palin?)fear: American voters elected the obviously unqualified G W Bush and the well known neo-conservative Cheney in 1999. AND did the same again in 2003 when worldwide disaster of Iraq was already becoming apparent.
America's voters, now once again about even in the polls, are quite likely to show their dangerous ignorance a third time and give us 72 yr old past sell-by-date McCain and even more dangerous and utterly unqualified Palin with her good actuarial chance of "running the world".
KEY POINT - McCain's whole campaign depends on bragging that his 'experience' automatically qualifies him to be Commander-in-Chief. But of course experience does not in itself qualify!
Cheney and Rumsfeld had far more experience (executive not just Senatorial) but they manufactured the Iraq war that has proved far more disastrous financially as well as militarily, than ever did the Vietnam war.
And McCain, despite all that boasted "experience" in Vietnam and the Senate, backed and enthusiastically supported Cheney/Rumsfeld - thereby risking a second "Vietnam" in Iraq (Petreus himself insists the temporary improvement is extremely fragile and could disappear as the US draws down: i.e the same "can't stay,can't leave" situation as in Vietnam).
Indeed, as a direct result of "Iraq", there's maybe even another "Vietnam" looming in Afghanistan!
Yet he - McCain - was the one US politician who might have made Bush think twice about the invasion had he - with his "experience" - come out against it!
Obama really must deliver this knockout blow: "experience" is NOT qualification - bad judgement nullifies it! And McCain voted for the worldwide catastrophe for the U.S. of "Iraq"
On all this please see my: www.dipconsult.eu
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Posted by: beautifulady2003 on Sep 29, 2008 5:46 AM
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Now he is so self-absorbed that his every move is for his own benefit. His ego is supreme, and he has no hesitation in employing smear tactics against his opponents, does not care to control his temper, and has no compassion for others. He even cares so little for his wife (I won't even get into how she became his wife, that story has been told endless times already) that he would call her obscene names in public.
McCain has prostituted himself and lost whatever morals he may once have had. In fact, he does not even show respect to his own experience as a POW but instead has exploited it and thereby cheapened its message.
In place of knowledge and competence, he prefers to ally himself with power and influence. In that respect alone, he is identical with George W. Bush.
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Posted by: gee gee on Sep 29, 2008 7:56 AM
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The true horror of it all is that he would willingly put Palin in line for the presidency. That he thinks so little of anything other than the retention of power and ambition that he would risk the wellbeing, security and liberties of his fellow citizens for 4-5 percentage points in the polls.
It is truly disgusting. And 1/2 of the country will support him. Where has it all gone wrong?
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Posted by: jacksmith on Sep 29, 2008 8:34 AM
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What ever congress does to try and fix our stunning economic catastrophe needs to be done very carefully. Congress needs to take their time, and be sure of what they are doing. Whatever is done needs to be sharply focused at helping, and protecting the best interest of the ordinary Americans. In particular the vast American middle class. 700 billion dollars is a lot of the peoples money to spend to bail out a bunch of corrupt Bush loan sharks.
When have you ever known any government plan, or project to only cost what the government said it would. Remember the war in Iraq. Bush and his so-called advisers said it would only cost you about 80 billion dollars. But we now know that the war in Iraq will cost you, and your children, and your grand children over a trillion dollars, and still counting.
So if 80 billion can end up costing you over a trillion dollars. How much could 700 billion end up costing you. Any math wizards out there. I come up with 9 trillion...:-(
My fellow human beings, just as I warned you ahead of this catastrophic economic meltdown, I must now warn you that what is ahead has the potential to be even more catastrophic than what we are going through now. The worlds geopolitical landscape has been booby trapped by the Bush McCain administration and their republican allies in congress. These booby traps are poised to spring at any time.
Fortunately the Worlds Nations have been blessed with many excellent leaders (except the US) who have been careful, wise, strong, and self-restrained in dealing with the provocations, and antagonism's of the Bush, McCain administration.
Barack Obama and the democrats are your best hope now. Tell your family, friends, and everyone you know to support them as best you can, and vote for them like your life, and the lives of your loved ones depends on it. Because it does. You will not survive 4 more years of Bush McCain.
JACK SMITH - WORKING CLASS...
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Posted by: MeyravLevine on Sep 29, 2008 9:48 AM
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Obama, if he were a true progressive, would have come out against the baliout plan and would have demanded a comprehensive regulation plan before giving our money to super rich hogs.
But Obama is a neoliberal pig, somewhat less evil than his evil twin the neocon McCain.
So at the end the public pays for the greed of super rich.
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Posted by: michelle1963 on Sep 29, 2008 9:53 AM
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Within eights years Bush screwed up our economy, went to war in Iraq when Al Queda was in Afganistan.
Bush took the surplus we had when President Clinton was in office and Bush put us in the RED.
We do not need a Third Term of Bush.
No to John McCain, No Way, No How
John McCain is devious, old, self-serving, deceitful and in bed with the lobbyists and special interests, who by the way, are running his campaign.
We need Change now.
Vote for Barack Obama for President.
Obama/Biden 08
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Posted by: master09 on Sep 29, 2008 10:25 PM
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In this case it is not very hard to tell when someone is a pathological liar.
Some people just are liars and lie to be lieing because they can and they don't care about getting caught and aware that you know they have lied. These people care not about lying, it's no big deal. It's like "ok, so what? I lied". The pathological liar on the other hand, IS aware that they are lying BUT will go to extremes to make you believe that they are truthful. They appear to believe their own lies BUT in truth, they know their lies are just that, lies. But because their efforts are constantly backing up their lies, it appears to us that they actually believe their lies, when we eventually do find out about them and then we tend to feel sorry for these people. Then they have an excuse, "I am sick, I don't know why I lie, I believed what I was saying etc." The only truth was the fact that they don't know why they lie. Other than that it's crap. It is true that most of them have an extremely low sense of self worth and are continuously trying to make themselves feel better about THEMSELVES and this is one reason they lie.
Today the republicians want us to believe they voted against the bailout because they cared for the country. The truth of the matter is, they saw this issue as an election winner to put the blame on the democrates for bailing out wall street. Everyone know that the democrates have enought votes to pass this bill without the republicians but they do not want to take all the blame for bailing out wall street, because the republicians will jumped on this sh*t like white on rice and ride it all the way to the election. So now the dems have to agree to the demands of the republicians. OK! but once the bill is passed explain to the american people what changes the Reps wanted, it will have nothing to do with saving the country.
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Posted by: McCain 08 on Sep 30, 2008 7:50 AM
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McCain 08
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