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Corporate America Prepares for Battle Against Worker Campaign to Roll Back Assault on the Middle Class
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There will be many heated legislative battles if 2008 shakes out with larger Congressional majorities for Democrats and an Obama White House -- fights over war and peace, energy policy, health care reform and immigration. But it may be a bill that many Americans have never heard of that sparks the most pitched battle Washington has seen since the Civil Rights Act. It's called the Employee Free Choice Act (EFCA) -- a measure that would go a long way toward guaranteeing working people the right to join a union if they so choose -- and it has the potential to reverse more than three decades of painful stagflation, with prices rising and paychecks flat, for America's middle class and working poor.
The Chamber of Commerce, D.C. lobbyists, firms that rely on cheap labor and a host of "astroturf" front groups are building a war chest that could reach hundreds of millions of dollars in an effort to build a firewall against EFCA and other efforts to put a check on corporate power and rebuild a declining middle class. A recent report on the front page of the Wall Street Journal about how Wal-Mart -- the nation's largest employer -- is "mobilizing its store managers and department supervisors" in an effort to discourage its workers from voting Democratic this fall generated quite a bit of controversy. According to a report in the National Journal that received less attention, "several business-backed groups ... (including) two fledgling coalitions fighting labor-supported legislation and the conservative political group Freedom's Watch are trying to raise $100 million for issue advocacy and get-out-the-vote efforts to benefit about 10 GOP Senate races."
It's the EFCA -- the idea that working people who want to join a union can -- that has corporate America quaking in its collective boots. The bill passed the House easily in 2007 -- by 56 votes -- and had majority support in the Senate. But it didn't reach the 60 votes required to kill a GOP-led filibuster, and that massive war chest being amassed by the corporate Right is, in part, an attempt to maintain a firewall of at least 41 anti-union senators -- mostly Republicans joined by a few corporatist Dems -- to kill the bill in the 2009 Congress. President Bush threatened to veto the legislation if it had passed in 2007, but this time around, they fear that a Democrat will be sitting in the White House. Obama was a co-sponsor of the 2007 legislation; McCain opposed it.
The prospect of a filibuster-proof majority that's sympathetic to the needs of ordinary working Americans, according to the National Journal, is making "business groups jittery." Polls show that the economy is Americans' number one concern going into this fall's election; fully 75 percent of Americans believe the country is on the wrong track, and these well-funded groups are intent on keeping it firmly on that track.
American Wages and the Law of Supply and Demand
At the heart of the bloody cage match that's likely to come is this: In economic terms, the wages of many -- probably most -- Americans represent a "market failure" of massive proportions. Even the most devout of free-marketeers -- economists like Alan Greenspan and the late Milton Friedman -- agree that it's appropriate and necessary for government to intervene in the case of those failures (they believe it's the only time that such "meddling" is appropriate). But the corporate Right, which claims to have an almost religious reverence for the power of "free" and functional markets, has gotten fat off of this particular market failure, and it's dead-set on continuing to game the system for its own enrichment.
About 1 in 4 Americans has at least a four-year college degree, and many of those degrees are even worth something in the labor market (sorry, art history majors). Others -- Derek Jeter, Bill Gates, a gifted artist or a writer who can turn a decent phrase -- have specialized skills that allow them to command an income that's as high as the market for their scarce talents will bear. There are also people with more common skills who have the scratch (and/or connections) and fortitude to establish their own businesses -- think George W. Bush or a really great mechanic who owns his or her own shop.
That leaves a lot of people (about 80 percent of working America) who are hourly workers -- "wage slaves" in the traditional sense. There's no doubt that their salaries are heavily influenced by the laws of supply and demand. We saw that clearly in the latter half of the 1990s, when, under Bill Clinton, the Fed allowed the economy to grow at a fast clip, unemployment dropped below 4 percent, and for a brief period, a three-decade spiral in inequality was reversed as wages grew for people in every income bracket.
But a common fallacy is that wages are determined by market forces. They're not, for a variety of reasons that require more explanation than space permits. I'll focus on two: what economists call "information asymmetries" and coercion. Both are anathema to a functional free market, and both exist today, in abundance, in the American workplace.
To understand these failures of the free market, one has to go back, briefly, to basic economic theory. In order for a free market transaction to work, both the buyer and the seller need to have a good grasp of what the product being sold -- in this case, people's sweat -- is worth elsewhere, who else is buying and selling, etc. In other words, they have to have more or less equal access to information. There can be no misrepresentation by either the buyer or the seller in a free market transaction. And both parties have to enter into the transaction freely, without being coerced; neither side can exercise power or undue influence over the other, whether implicitly or explicitly, through threats or other means.
Now let's look at how that theoretical construct plays out in the real world of the American workplace. When an individual worker negotiates a price for their time, effort and dedication with any business bigger than a mom-and-pop operation, there's quite a bit of explicit coercion (much of it in violation of our labor laws), which I'll get to shortly. But there's always an element of inherent coercion when an individual negotiates with a company alone, because of the power differential: a company that's shorthanded by one person will continue to function, while a person without a job is up a creek with no paddle, unable to put a roof over his or her head or food on the table.
The "information asymmetries" in such a negotiation are immense -- they're actually more like process asymmetries. Companies spend millions of dollars on human resource experts, consultants, labor lawyers, etc., and they know both the conditions of the market and the ins and outs of the labor laws in intimate detail. While working people with rarified skills are often members of trade associations or guilds, read trade journals and have a pretty good sense of what the market will bear, many low- and semi-skilled workers don't know their rights under the labor laws, don't know how to assert them and (rightfully) fear reprisals when they do. They often have little knowledge of the financial health -- or illness, as the case may be -- of the company to which they're applying for a job, how profitable it is, how much similar workers in other regions or firms earn, etc.
What Would a Free Market Transaction Look Like?
For the majority of Americans who lack scarce talents or a high level of education, negotiating a price for one's time with a firm on an individual basis is anything but a free market transaction. And that's where collective bargaining comes in -- when workers bargain as a group, they do so on a level playing field with employers, and the resulting wages (and benefits) are as high as the market can bear, but no higher.
Unions, like corporations, have a great deal of information about the market. They know how a firm is doing, how profitable it is and where it is relative to the larger industry in which it operates. They know what deals workers at other plants have negotiated. They have attorneys who are just as familiar with the American labor laws as their counterparts in management.
And while an individual has very little leverage in negotiations -- again, most companies can do with one less worker -- collectively, an entire work force has the ability to shut down or at least slow down a company's operations if management chooses not to negotiate in good faith (as is often the case).
It's not difficult to quantify the difference between what most hourly employees take home and what the free market would dictate. Economists Lawrence Mishel and Matthew Walters estimate the "union wage premium" -- the amount of additional pay a unionized worker receives compared with a similar worker who isn't a member of a union -- at around 20 percent (that's in keeping with other studies, using different methodologies, which put the premium in a range between 15 and 25 percent). If one includes benefits -- health care, paid vacations, etc. -- union members make almost 30 percent more than their nonunion counterparts.
Another way of looking at it is this: Millions of American families are scraping by on below-market wages, and if that weren't the case, there wouldn't be such a large group of American families among the "working poor." In economic theory, it's a given that a producer can't sell his or her wares below the cost of production. The equivalent to the cost of producing a gizmo, when we're talking about the sale of someone's working hours, is the cost of providing basic necessities -- nutritious food, safe housing and decent medical care. These are out of reach for the almost 3 million American families who work full-time and live beneath the poverty level. According to the Working Poor Families Project, half of the working poor have no health insurance.
It's important to understand that unionization doesn't just boost the incomes of union members. When an industry has a certain threshold of unionization, all workers, whether unionized or nonunionized, end up with a fairer share of the pie. Mishel and Matthew point out that a high school graduate who doesn't belong to a union but who works in an industry that has a rate of union membership of 25 percent or higher brings home 5 percent more in wages than a similar worker in a less unionized industry.
Unions, Coercion and the Long Decline
Those are the tangibles, but there are intangibles as well. When enough workers are organized, and can speak with one voice, they represent a powerful influence on the political establishment -- one that is largely absent in America today. Inequality, stagnant wages, out-of-reach health care costs, rising prices for food and energy, dwindling opportunities to get an affordable, high-quality education and a host of other issues that have a real impact on most American families are all issues that a healthy labor movement can force politicians to address.
Union members are more likely to vote their economic interests than be dazzled by culture war issues. In 2004, while Bush won the votes of 78 percent of white Evangelical Christians, John Kerry won a slim majority among those who also belonged to union households.
There's a substantial body of research that shows a clear correlation between falling unionization rates, stagnating wages and increases in inequality and poverty. That's true in all countries; data from the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD) -- the "rich countries' club" -- shows that "countries with high levels of union density or collective bargaining coverage are much more equal than countries with low union density, but perform no worse in terms of creating jobs."
The OECD finds that gaps between higher-paid and lower-paid workers are lowest where union density is high, and bargaining is either centralized or closely coordinated. For example, the top 10% of male full-time workers earn at least 4.6 times as much as the bottom 10% in the U.S., compared to 3.7 times as much in Canada, 2.9 times as much in Germany, and just 2.3 times as much in Sweden. High union density also narrows pay gaps between women and men, and between younger and older workers. By narrowing pay gaps, unions counter poverty and make family incomes much more equal than would otherwise be the case.The United States has seen a precipitous decline in the labor movement over the past three decades or so, and that decline has correlated with painful economic stagnation for all but the top of the economic food chain. Consider the following graph, via the Economic Policy Institute:

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(Those rates include government employees -- the private-sector numbers are lower.)
As economists Lawrence Mishel and Ross Eisenbrey wrote, "Wage inequality began to grow at the same time" that the decline in unionization gathered steam in the late 1970s.
Economists Emmanuel Saez and Thomas Piketty showed that when you lop off those in the top 10 percent of the economic food chain, inflation-adjusted earnings for the overwhelming majority of Americans increased by less than $1,000 dollars over the 28-year period between 1977 and 2005 -- $35 in growth per year -- despite slow but steady economic expansion overall (Excel file).
During this period, the distribution of America's total income has become highly concentrated at the top. In 1977, the top 1 percent of Americans grabbed just under 8 percent of the nation's earnings. By 2005 that number had more than doubled, to almost 18 percent of the pie. These numbers don't include investment income -- just income from working. The top 10 percent grabbed about a third of the nation's income in 1977, and almost 45 percent by 2005.
This was also a period in which economic mobility in the United States essentially became a thing of the past -- true only in American lore; we now live in one of the least upwardly mobile economies in the wealthy world. A good union job was once a ladder up from poverty to the middle class.
None of this is by accident. Union-busting has reached a high art form in the United States. Companies no longer need thugs and gun-toting Pinkertons to keep workers from exercising their legal rights to organize; now they have high-priced, Armani-wearing lawyers to do the job.
The tactics are as subtle as they are insidious. A study by Cornell University labor scholar Kate Bronfenbrenner found that: 9 in 10 employers facing a union campaign force employees to attend closed-door meetings to hear anti-union propaganda; 80 percent train supervisors on how to attack unions and require them to deliver anti-union messages to workers they oversee; half of employers threaten to shut down the plant if workers organize; and 3 out of 4 hire outside consultants to run anti-union campaigns, "often based on mass psychology and distorting the law."
Increasingly, cunning forms of intimidation are often enough to produce a "no" vote. If organizers manage to get and win a vote among workers to unionize, management is able to dispute the outcome, and the case can drag on, often for years. While it's pending, pro-union workers lose their jobs: A study published (PDF) by economists John Schmitt and Ben Zipperer found that "almost one in five union organizers or activists can expect to be fired as a result of their activities in a union election campaign."
That's illegal, but since the Reagan administration, U.S. labor protections have been thoroughly gutted, and companies that cross the line pay only modest penalties that can be written off as part of the cost of remaining union-free. Harvard economist Richard Freeman surveyed a number of studies of working people's attitudes in 2005, and found that more American workers want to join a union than ever before -- 53 percent. It's their right -- guaranteed by the U.S. Constitution -- but even as the number who want to bargain collectively with their bosses has increased, the labor movement has continued its deep decline.
That's a result of coercion, plain and simple, and when there is coercion present in a transaction, that's a rigged market, not a free one.
The Employee Free Choice Act (EFCA) is simple: It beefs up penalties for employers who violate workers' rights under the law, creates a mediation and arbitration system for disputes, and allows workers to form a union if a majority simply sign a card saying they want representation. This bill alone won't reverse the long decline of American labor -- union organizers say more is needed to create a truly level playing field -- but it would be a huge step in the right direction.
Fighting to Maintain a Gamed System
In addition to flooding the airwaves with attack ads in states and districts where business-friendly candidates are on the bubble, we can expect millions of dollars from that corporate war chest to go into "issue" ads, part of a concerted effort of anti-union propaganda designed to convince working people that organized labor will cost them wages and jobs, and that union organizers are corrupt and self-serving.
As the AFL-CIO notes, the legislation is under attack by an "anti-union network (that) includes discredited groups such as the Center for Union Facts, led by lobbyist Richard Berman, who is infamous for fighting against drunken driving laws and consumer and health protections, and the National Right to Work Committee and Foundation, the country's oldest organization dedicated exclusively to destroying unions."
Berman, a hired gun who has battled Mothers Against Drunk Driving on behalf of the alcohol industry, fought smoking bans at the behest of the tobacco industry and even defended dangerous levels of mercury in fish, expects to raise $30 million for the fight, according to the National Journal.
The Center for Union Facts is positively Orwellian in its spin: In one instance, Berman cited a Department of Labor report to claim that unions had racked up "$400 million in labor racketeering fines and civil restitution in the last five years." Nate Newman, a pro-labor journalist, dug into the report, only to find that "almost all of the big money associated with the $400 million figure in labor racketeering was committed by private industry against unions, not by union officials." Newman added, "But that's how you lie with statistics." (See his whole post.)
As far as the movement to defeat EFCA, the Big Lie -- which we'll hear repeated ad nauseam from every corner of the right-wing noise machine -- is that the card-check provisions are anti-democratic. The coalition's approach is to make no mention of beefing up penalties for violating workers' rights or creating new dispute-settlement procedures; instead, they seize on a compelling talking point tailored to America's political culture: that the "card-check" provision of the EFCA does away with the secret ballots that Americans have come to expect when casting their votes.
Big Business commissioned a Zogby poll that's dangerously close to the political "push-polls" of campaign infamy. The questions were remarkably dishonest, and the results were what the pollsters and their clients were looking for.
Please tell me whether you agree or disagree with the following statement: "Every worker should continue to have the right to a federally supervised secret ballot election when deciding whether to organize a union."Nine out of ten respondents agreed, including 87 percent of Democrats. That's to be expected; the strategy is to depict management's assault on the ability to organize as protecting "workers' rights." Seven out of 10 respondents said they'd be less likely to vote for a member of Congress "who voted in favor of taking away a worker's right to have a federally supervised secret ballot election to decide whether to organize a union."
Armed with their push-poll, the Right's noise machine has been typically disciplined; all corners of the conservative movement are on message: Big Labor wants to do away with secret ballots, and it's pulling the Democrats' strings to make it happen.
But as Stalin said, "It's not the people who vote that count. It's the people who count the votes." More importantly, it's how the votes are counted and whether voters are being coerced. The secret-ballot election process is almost impossible in today's anti-union environment, with a National Labor Relations Board -- the body that's supposed to protect workers' rights -- hopelessly stacked with anti-union appointees.
As journalist Jordan Barab noted, as a result of an elections process that disenfranchises millions of working people, "card-check campaigns -- instead of secret ballot elections -- have become labor's main tool for organizing the unorganized." According to AFL-CIO statistics cited by Barab, card checks were used to "sign up roughly 70 percent of the private-sector workers who joined unions (in 2006), compared with less than 5 percent two decades ago."
Anything to Maintain the Conservative Nanny State
In his book, The Conservative Nanny State, Dean Baker, co-founder of the Center for Economic and Policy Research, argues that progressives are way off the mark when they accuse the corporate Right of being "free-market fundamentalists." "When we say they're 'market fundamentalists,' he told me in an interview, "we're acting like they're willing to accept market outcomes." In reality, conservatives have "rigged the deck. They've made sure that certain people come out ahead, that income flows upward, and that other people are put at a disadvantage -- and these things are built into the rules of the system."
The rules of the game -- working people's right to negotiate collectively on even ground with employers -- is what will be at stake over the next year. We may well see EFCA and other progressive legislation get shot down, but if not, then there's a potential to halt the systematic dismantling of the New Deal's labor protections that we've witnessed over the past 40 years and reverse the spiraling inequality that's accompanied it.
Whatever the outcome, we're in for a bloody fight.
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Posted by: synx on Aug 8, 2008 1:38 AM
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Unions are like any centralized group of people, only as good as the people in charge. Who has time, money, food, and resources to run a union, especially one pitted against a major corporation? I'll tell you who has that much time. A major corporation.
What is to stop the awful nasty corporates from pretending to be workers, and forming a "union" that they then strongarm other workers into joining? Did you know that there are quite a few jobs out there where union membership is a mandatory condition of employment? That's right, the company will not hire you if you don't pay the union its monthly union dues. Are these companies just so intimidated by this fearsome union that they dare not hire anyone who isn't under its benevolent protections? Ha! Here's the truth of it, companies make fake unions, to prevent workers from making their own. Companies generate artificial imaginary conflict and negotiation, but somehow the union keeps getting bogged down in closed door negotiations and mysterious legal technicalities.
Okay, here's a good illustration of just what wool they're pulling over your eyes. Which do you like better: Coke or Pepsi? Answer: they both taste the SAME, they are both cola! Even if there are slight differences in taste, the two companies are not competing, and they are not rivals. Instead, they are merely two parts of a greater whole, a headless market beast that seeks to destroy us all just to siphon wealth up to its top stockholders. Coke and Pepsi deliberately pretend to fight, and pretend to be different, so that they can prey heartlessly on your instincts of loyalty and community. And in this imaginary, fake conflict, nobody ever realizes the whole thing is one big complex question. Which do you like better, Coke or Pepsi? i.e. You drink cola, and you enjoy drinking cola, and now that you're forced to agree with that, which brand do you like better? My answer is water! Guess how many other people I've met with an answer like that? Zero.
It's the same with unions. Didn't anyone watch The Matrix? Just like the metaphor of how machines fabricate a Zion to slake mankind's need to have something to fight against, so do the corporations and their marketing departments form false fake corpuses that they try to pass off as unions. Any real unions they destroy. Any they can't destroy, they infiltrate with management. And eventually membership to this false union becomes mandatory for employment, and once that happens the union is no longer a union, merely another branch of the company's human resources department.
Unions aren't around today, because corporate marketers have successfully found crippling unresolvable flaws that totally compromise everything a union would stand for. They weren't destroyed by some kind of corporate battering ram, they were devoured from within. If you think unions are going to come back like the New Haven Elm, you got another thing coming.
I am fully in support of any laws that help workers organize. It just seems like too little, too late. I just don't know what we can do at this point. You lose more money working than you do not working, and faced with that kind of horror how do you feed yourself?
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The Homogenization of Human Life
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Posted by: Purple Girl on Aug 8, 2008 3:59 AM
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Far too many union 'leaders' are in th epocket of the Corps - nothing more then Co Conspirators. Hold a fee union meetings, talk the talk- then walk the walk right out the door and on to the Golf Course with their Corp Buddies.
There are union officals who are pulling down salaries, twice the amount of their workers they are meant to be advocates for.As a Journeyman my husband made about 40,000 last year- the 'BA's' took home about 80,000-salaried. When work is slow- too bad for the members/workers, but the 'mamangemet' will still get theirs.
Many Union 'leaders' are members of the 'Good Ol' Boys' Club too!
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One of the mosr critical problem in the principle that price will be determined by the laws of supply and demand ignores the piece of the price that is missing, namely externalities. Companies to not pay for environmental damage which they cause or the harm and inadequate wages of those products imported from sweatshops.
Without any external discipline in the free markets, both high executive salaries and dividends to shareholders can suck wealth away from the pot from which workers draw their salaies.
Another serious problem is the growth of monopolies and oligopolies which have so much control over the market that it is impossible for any real interaction between supply and demand to have any effect. The pharmaceutical industry can be considered oligopolistic with ten or fewer companies worldwide. Not only do they have more control over the market but they can lobby government to adopy policies favorable to their industry. Lobbying is another factor in the so-called free market that interferes with the dynamic between supply and demand.
As well, the WTO, IMF and World Bank are external forces acting on governments in developing countries that influence price and availability of goods and services.
Another external force that has had a major impact on wages and prices are all the trade agreements that have been signed recently such as NAFTA.
So while there are external forces operating on workers and consumers there is little in the way of similar pressures on producers. To understand all the issues in the global economic system, you need to abandon the myth about free markets and think about realities of how and why so many people suffer under this system.
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Trouble is, as a spin it's pretty useless in providing guidelines for serious organizing. "Assault on the middle class" -- what is that, exactly? Where's the front line? What's this "worker campaign" about? This article discusses a piece of top-down legislation, EFCA, but if (as the author states) hardly anyone knows about it, exactly how widespread is this "worker campaign"? Maybe to someone born around 1980 this legislation sounds new! revolutionary! or at least significant! It doesn't sound all that new to me, and in my adult lifetime the only new! revolutionary! legislation that passes Congress by large majorities is the kind that benefits some special interest or another. Penalties for violations sound good on paper, but enforcing those rules and regs nearly always involves a legal battle. I can see why lawyers would get behind this bill in a big way, but I don't see lawyers throwing their briefs into the breach to stop this "assault on the middle class." How often does legislation create or strengthen a grassroots movement? Nowhere nearly as often as grassroots movements drive the development and passage of legislation. That's the kind of legislation that tends to have far-reaching effects. This top-down stuff gets forgotten or co-opted, which is, not infrequently, the intent.
And who are we going to cast as "Corporate America," the hero/villain of the film? God and Satan are the only obvious contenders, and they're not free till after the election.
Wait a second -- is this a remake of Paradise Lost?
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Posted by: dayenta on Aug 8, 2008 7:25 AM
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Bring back the guillotine!
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One of the problems has been tax cuts which have not gone into domestic investment in output and full employment but rather into financial speculation and mergers and acquisitions thus concentrating the economy and reducing competition. This more than monetary policy has lead to steady price increases. Prices have built in the financial costs of mergers and the expected rate of return for large shareholders who expect stock prices to increase after a costly merger or acquisition. This is hardly the way the system was meant to operate. Further, the income gains by the rich have been so large that they pay a larger share of taxes even though they received substantial tax cuts and the proportion of the income that they pay in taxes has declined. The rich have made income gains at a rate that far exceeds the increase in their share of the national tax burden. The real issue is that it is effective tax rates and shares of after tax income that are the proper measures of progressivity in the tax code and not the proportional share of the nation tax burden born by each individual income strata. This regressivity has lowered effective consumer demand and slowed GDP growth. It has led to the current crisis of stagnation and the financialization that has destroyed the stability of the US economy and the middle class.
A program of union campaigns, progressive taxation, massive public investment to create full employment and financial regulation is needed to restore the system. The current trends will only lead to a further decline in US capitalism and ultimate social breakdown.
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Posted by: xi_people on Aug 8, 2008 7:45 AM
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Remember what you were doing today. It might be a solemn marker to a world dissolving into chaos.
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Posted by: mnlefty on Aug 8, 2008 7:45 AM
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I work in Human Services for a Union county. The few counties that are non-union look very closely at our contract when deciding their own benefit packages and salary scales. If they aren't competitive, people will leave for the Union county jobs. It's easy to say the Union doesn't do any good since County X has the same benefits and no union dues to worry about. But County X would have lower salaries and fewer benefits if they didn't have pressure to match the Union counties.
Will unions save America? I don't think it's that simple. However, we need to remember that most employers want to pay the minimum possible to retain the maximum profits. Unions raise that line a little higher.
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Posted by: Illiteratilumen on Aug 8, 2008 8:28 AM
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As a conservative I don't believe the government should be involved in the labor market at all and that the individual's right to form trade guilds or labor unions is implicit because nothing in the Constitution specifically states that they don't have that right. Unions are a good thing but, like any other organization, they can go very bad when they have bad leaders.
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Every significant advance in the lives of American workers has come about after some cops, deputies, marshals or National Guardsmen have got their noses bloodied.
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Posted by: HughScott on Aug 8, 2008 9:17 AM
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Having been a member of two labor organizations -- the Teamsters and Air Line Pilots Association (ALPA) -- I know firsthand the pros and cons of union representation. But no way will I waste my time addressing distrations like the article above.
The enemy is John McCain, folks -- America's NUMBER ONE NEOCON! Stop the AlterNet bickering and focus of our nation's REAL threat: continued iron-fisted rule by the rightwing GOP.
Otherwise, here is what we'll get after President McCain takes office in 2009:
If McCain wins in November, the neocons in Washington will increase their power, Bush's incompetent cronies will remain in office, our nation will become more divided, we will never know how many White House crimes were committed over the past eight years, and U.S. armed forces will attack Iran. America deserves a better future than that.
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Posted by: edgar1 on Aug 8, 2008 9:40 AM
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Union rights have to be #1 for Obama if he has any pretense of "change". He must be prepared to veto every pork loaded bill, including defense and "homeland security" (oink oink) appropriations for four years, deprive Congressmen of sleep(see bios of LBJ) blackmail whoever he has to and break every arm in both parties until this basic civil right is established. If workers can't get basic rights, the soldiers and their dependents who benefit from a welfare state of their own right now should get squat and go to work in the private sector.
Obama the eloquent (and he is) must be prepared to have a weekly news conference and frequent speeches to educate the ignorant public about their own history of labor struggle and rights.
As for the Wrinkly One, well, I don't expect him to give a damn about unions; he's been on the govt payroll all his life. BTW, are Cindy McCain's workers at the Bud facilties unionized?
Cmon Matthews, Brokaw, Schieffer, Mitchell, Maddow Olbermann the Liberal and Blitzer. Where are your labor-oriented questions to the candidates, including the congressional candidates? Enough of is Obama nice to Hilary discussions.
No union bill by Feb 1, 2009, shut the govt down for four years. We'll save money and lives and the standard of living won't be any better or worse.
Then, I guess we'll see if the market truly will regulate open borders and if home schooling works! One thing for sure: the average worker losing his job in Ohio won't be any worse off than he's been under Clinton or Bush. He/she needs unions. And they need them NOW!
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Posted by: jeffrey7 on Aug 8, 2008 11:19 AM
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I think a 91% tax on the wealthy would go a long way towards making this country run better. It damn sure would lower the cost of living. How? Well,when the rich have a heavy tax bracket they may fall into,they start lowering prices to keep up a lavish lifestyle on the cheap. Even when we had a 91% tax bracket,the rich had a lot of loop holes to keep them from paying any taxes at all.
Maybe we should institute a non-refundable,non-deductable 45% tax on all Corporate Gross Profits. That would be a tremendous help to the society at large. Why? Because Corporations get to deduct way past zero tax to the point the gov't pays them millions in refunds,and that's not counting the corpie Welfare they've been getting for decades. We killed welfare for the poor because they were a drain on the budget. GET
FUCKING REAL!!!! Welfare for the poor cost the American taxpayer 25 cents a day, Welfare for Corporations cost us $3 a day. I don't know about you,but I live on a pension,a small one,
and I have 25 cents a day to give to someone worse off than me but I damn sure don't have $3 a day to give to some money grubbing pollution bleching,worker killing, society wrecking god damn Corporation. I don't think you do either.
Big Business does'nt need help from the gov't,The People do!!!!! Until we get the fools in office that owe a lot of favors to the corpies out, we will never have a sane gov't.
A sound social policy or the Healthcare we need because the system has let Big Business poison all of us....for money. That's not governance that's elitist wannabe ruler shit. We deserve better. We'll have better.
We just have to 'take out the trash'
WRITE-IN Jeffrey7 for Prez '08
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Posted by: wormfarmer on Aug 8, 2008 11:58 AM
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that control. Ralph Nader has ALWAYS pursued that end for the benefit of the constitution, and all of the people in this country. I'm not proud to be american, I'm shocked by how this
country has ignored the transformation to ignorance. Dwight Eisenhower tried to warn us,
control of this country is no longer the peoples', and if we don't vote our conscience now, when will we? We as a people, should display a society that believes in and promotes
fairness and justice in this country as an example for other governments to emulate. This is America's responsibility.
Beware the military / industrial / corporate complex.
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Anyone that claims that eliminating a secret ballot makes it harder for people to be coerced is smoking crack. It's laughable on its face. How can you be coerced if nobody knows how you vote? Making your vote on union representation public will either make you an enemy of your fellow pro-union employees, or an enemy or your anti-union employer. GREAT! Sign me up.
Wal-Mart managers are lying to their employees about unions? That sucks. So pass a law against it. what does a card check have to do with anything? If people will always vote union when they have "the facts" why the outry against secret ballots?
And then there's the usual tactic of pretending that correlation equals causation: Union membership is on the decline, worker wages aren't keeping up with inflation, therefore declining union membership is the cause of lower wages.....
um, how about the fact that this country doesn't build anything anymore? How about the fact that nobody buys American? Could this possibly be the cause of declining wages?
I get it, today we're talking about unions, so we can't bring that up.
Union leadership wants card check because they know they can intimidate people to vote union. And when there are lots of union members, it gives union leaders leverage against the corporation and allows them to drop money into politicians' pockets.
Easy to understand if you're not tool of big labor.
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b: a natural source of wealth or revenue —often used in plural
c: a natural feature or phenomenon that enhances the quality of human life
d: computable wealth —usually used in plural e: a source of information or expertise
2: something to which one has recourse in difficulty : expedient
3: a possibility of relief or recovery
4: a means of spending one's leisure time
5: an ability to meet and handle a situation : resourcefulness
Does anyone notice that we are not personnel, anymore? Personally. I believe that corporations use "Human Resources" because they view the worker as something to be used until used up and then discarded. Thats sure how I feel I'm being treated.
In the same vein, (sorta), we need to get way past labels. Its largely true that the Dems and Repugs are largely indistinguishable (Leibermann calls himself a Democrat and the Dems let him) and it is possible to "look not at what they say, but at what they do". Go to OpenCongress.Org and check out the individuals voting record. What bills did they sponsor, co-sponsor, vote for, or against. Have fun.
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Posted by: Urgelt on Aug 8, 2008 12:43 PM
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Real worker wages over the last 28 years have shrunk, not grown.
The gaming of inflation indices since Reagan is the big unmentionable economic story of our times. Acknowledging it throws every analysis into a cocked hat. Our economy has been shrinking, not growing.
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Over the years, the US Supreme Court has unfortunately diminished the 10th's effectiveness, but that does not indicate that the original concept was flawed.
If EFCA were not such an anti-American law, more states would have passed similar legislation. As it is now, with labor laws differing from state to state, it is not difficult to see which states have a more prosperous populace with a higher quality of life. Some of those states are heavily unionized and doing well, and some are lightly unionized and doing well. And of course we have opposites.
The point here is that we have many experiments with labor law going on simultaneously, and we need time to examine them to see what works best.
EFCA would very negatively impact the ability to evaluate diverse state laws, by allowing extreme coercion by either pro- or anti-union factions. The secret ballot is central to a government of the people, and central to the right of a group of workers to choose their method of collective union organization.
Years ago I was forced to join a union run by some unsavory characters, and still remember the big thugs that threatened my safety if I dared to oppose unionization. I calculated that after paying my initiation fee and monthly dues, it would take two years of work before I broke even. Clearly this experience has colored my thoughts.
Beyond that, I am certain that pressure by corporations against those who vote for a union, and pressure by unions against those who would vote against them, will put workers between a rock and a hard place, and worse, subject them to personal harm.
Some years ago the Equal Rights Amendment was not passed because all family law would have been removed from the states and given to Congress. I think EFCA will fail for the same reasons.
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The most glaring example is health care. Any company who pays for health care would likely be better off with a single-payer program. The auto companies would save many millions.
Do you ever hear any of these companies come out for a single payer health plan? No, because the Republicans who give them giant personal tax breaks are in the hands of the big companies that make millions off of the current system. Instead of working in the best interest of their company, they use their influence to help themselves.
Top management is all against anti-trust rules, as long as they can personally make a few bucks off the deal. But when the acquisition runs against their personal interest, they are busy putting up every roadblock they can find.
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The elite make at a minimum hundreds of millions of dollars. At the high end there are some that make trillions of dollars. No one in Hollywood is making that type of dough trust me. What the elite did was create division in the lower class by creating the have somes, who are people they call the middle class, and the have-littles and have-nots.
People instinctively strive for higher incomes that seem to be achievable. The have-littles and have-nots want to be the have-somes they regard as the middle class but the lower class is nothing but Marx's proletariat and bourgeoisie. The bourgeoisie think they can make it into the upper class but it is impossible because of the way society is structured but they keep struggling like a horse chasing a dangling carrot.
Of course the "middle class" have-somes hate the have-littles and have-nots because they believe their financial situation is due to laziness and criminality. Nothing could be further from the truth in most cases. Conversely the have-littles and have-nots hate the have-somes because they believe they are patronized for being less financially successful and therefore less human. Only capitalism can produce this money dynamic by which the worth of a person is determined solely by his or her income. It is truly an anti-humanistic system.
This bifurcation of the lower class is aided through other elite techniques like religion, racism, fear of homosexuality, gender wars and the like. They drive us apart from each and destroy our communities so that we become individuals who are only in it for ourselves. Who can say that this does not describe modern day America? We are at the end folks, and just like no skyscraper like WTC7 has ever collapsed from fire as they claim it did on 9/11, no empire has ever survived much longer after it began to evince this behavioral syndromes. We could have prevented this but we didn't use our only weapon: each other.
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This has been a deliberate take-over of our government by corporations, and the top 10%, to the detriment of the rest of America! In the meantime, we the taxpayers get to foot the bill of the new corporate welfare state proudly proclaimed as "the free market"!
For those of you that don't know or were unionized under Don Corleone let me offer a few reasons why unions are good for us all. Back in the day when unions really represented their workers we got: (1) child labor laws, (2)a real minimum wage, (3) real pay equity, (4)40 hour work weeks, (5) real jobs that helped to increase the size of the middle class.
Though unions have been demonized (and yes there are corrupt union officials) unions are the things that helped to make this country stronger. Unions helped to keep corporations more honest vs the rapacious avarice that has taken over the corporate elite of this country!
If you don't believe me think about this, why would corporate America be sooo afraid of unions if they don't recognize the real power of them?
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And of course the unspoken part of the Freidman "Leave it alone until it falters" philosophy is that the public assumes the risks and foots the bill for getting the company back on its feet -- at which point the profits are once again privatized. Great deal for the schmucks.
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Hold the right people responsible. Do you blame the gun or the shooter?
The CEO's and corporate execs are just tools of the rich whose raison d'etre is to generate profits for their masters (and thereby, themselves). The people they serve are the ones to go after.
I want to see the corporate legal structure abolished and banned from operating in the United States. Then we'll have TRUE individual responsibility, something the right wing should embrace. I'm sick of faceless, formless, "corporations" catching the blame when they break the law and kill/fuck up people's lives.
I want individuals held responsible. I want the owners of the corporation punished (i.e. investors. No, I don't mean you Mr. Jackass with $20,000 worth of Wal-mart stock, I mean the Walton family with billions of dollars).
At least in China they know how to make an example of somebody. "Corporations" shipping poisonous products around the world? Let's sentence the head of our FDA to death by firing squad.
When Enron went down, and destroyed the lives of the small time investors that had bought into it, heads should have rolled. In fact, that's perfect, I want the guillotine back and operational.
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The Republicans are beyond the pale,while the Democrats, like the unions, have effectively lost any real desire to balance the class forces,wipe out poverty and generally stand against the real rulers of the US.
You all know where the power lies,its the big corporations.
The monied interests lobby and advise politicians(in fact at present some of them ie Dick Cheney,Dubya et al are the politicians),they stymie any fetters on their unregulated markets ie by setting up corporate unions, or simply by sacking,and making life difficult for union members..ie Walmart.
This "elite" have their own newspapers,and even own television news channels,which are basically propaganda tools.
If anyone has any delusions about the Democrats,then look at Obama's Friedmanite campaign advisers.These,or other top corporate ideologues will still be advising Obama if he becomes President.
The truth is that any organisation such as a union,that claims to represent the masses,or the interests of member's,needs to be fully independent of the corporations.The same is true of any political party,wishing to make real change,in the current economic and political climate.
Only by combining,creating and developing grass roots organisations,and creating an analysis and strategy,totally independent of the corporate sector,can such change come about.
If you want health provision for all,a fair living wage,the rich to pay taxes proportionate to the wealth they receive,an end to the state funded corporate gravy train, a society of equal opportunities,pensioner benefits which allow for a dignified and comfortable retirement,an environmental policy based on preservation not rape of the earth,and a land where citizens voices arent drowned out by corporate interests,then it is vital to start thinking about an alternative to The Democrats or present union organisations.
It will be a long and difficult project,but lets be honest,there is no alternative as The Democrats are dead.
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The "nanny state" problem - another misconception...they want voters to think interference is a bad thing...so they will have no interference as they loot the treasury. And yet the irony being of course, the rescue of the markets by the nanny state that bailed out overpaid bankers and speculators....the unjustifiable socialization of risk and privatization of reward.
They are still winning, even after taking the country this far down. Unbelieveable. Is there any hope?
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The Right knows that this is what most people are about, the Left can't bear to face the truth. Until the Left faces the fact that the problem does not just exist on one side of the equation, they will continue to beat their dead horses forever. No matter how sophisticated the arguements get, when you fail to take the whole picture into account every GD time, you will continue to talk into the echo chamber - the people you are so interested in helping? - they are all busy watching American Idol and eating cheezy puffs and drinking sodas and smoking, while they develop diabetes en masse. They can't hear you.
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I've been in three unions, with a six-year stint as a shop steward, and at no time did any of the three unions do anything for me that the company couldn't have done (and in most cases already had done, like providing benefits) year after year as a shop steward I witnessed union leadership more interested in preserving their rights in a contract (like automatic dues payments, and the right to have a bulletin board onsite) than negotiate for more money.
During organizing campaigns companies are prevented from making any promises that could be construed as an unfair labor practice, but unions can (and will) make promises to workers they know they can't deliver, with no legal recourse to worry about. This is what the EFCA will reinforce; wide-eyed workers who believe they'll hit the jackpot by joining a union, only to find out that everything is subject to negotiation.
I'm in management now (HR), and though my company pays well with great benefits, we spend millions having to fight union campaigns that our employees don't respond to. Less than 5% of our workforce of over 50,000 are unionized, we've had 200+ employees decertify their local this year, yet the unions want in because they are hurting for dues.
The problem with most liberals is that they have this romantic ideal of unions, something out of "Norma Rae". But just type "union corruption" in your search engine, and you'll find that union members everywhere are victims of union leadership year after year. Corporations aren't always the bad guys.
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Of 39 posts, only 12 evidence any real understanding of the role (and necessity) of unions. The remaining 17 are either venomously anti-union --11, including one that with genuine Antoinette haughtiness dismisses all economic concerns as "inanities" -- or seem smugly indifferent to the entire concept of economic democracy.
Were this a fascist or even conservative site, those results would not be surprising. On a presumably "leftist" site, they are horrifying.
They demonstrate (1)-the extent to which the anti-socialist purges of the mid-20th Century converted the United States -- permanently -- into a reflexively social-Darwinist (and thus incipiently fascist) state; (2)-the abysmal ignorance and anti-intellectual malice at the core of the '60s pseudo-"revolution" (a logical consequence of the purges); and (3)-the devastating truth that the resultant social-Darwinist values (“winning is everything; winners win because they're winners/ losers lose because they're losers“) are identical on both sides of the ruling-class/working-class divide.
This is, of course, a classic example of what’s called "identification with the oppressor" -- in this instance, internalization of the oppressor's value system.
Which is not only what killed U.S. unionism; it is also why the U.S. will never evolve a working socialism: the vicious, vindictively self-centered arrogance of the welfare worker or the motor-vehicle clerk (which guarantees we all despise government), is no different from the vicious, vindictively self-centered arrogance of the corporate executive (which would -- were it fully disclosed -- guarantee we hate capitalism).
Prediction: the Employee Free Choice Act will be enacted, but like the Wagner Act before it, it will be nullified by a new Taft-Hartley Act, and the U.S. march toward the Dark Age of sweatshops, slavecamps and fortified mansions will continue regardless of who wins in November.
Indeed, via his vote on FISA, Obama has already cast his lot with the enemies of the Constitution and constitutionally protected liberty.
The one development that might save us -- emergence of a true Labor Party -- will never be allowed. Yet formal prohibition is unnecessary; the Moron Nation mentality is already unable to fulfill the intellectual requirements such a party demands: Marxian economic analysis -- the truth of class struggle -- and the study of history, the latter essential for recognition of both of the vital role of our unique Constitution and of unions in enforcing the goals implicit in its preamble.
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Don't fall for it!!
kerry flipflop gore internet etc
these are slime techniques they are very good at because american corporate whores are cheap
we cannot cave in from conglomerate media attacks
karl rove is still loose
bush can still attack more countries.
indeed, he has invaded mexico.
under the guise of "immigration"
blackwater, the highly paid mercenaries where the american servicewoman was raped and murdered last week has succeeded in a san diego facility
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Posted by: synx on Aug 8, 2008 1:38 AM
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Unions are like any centralized group of people, only as good as the people in charge. Who has time, money, food, and resources to run a union, especially one pitted against a major corporation? I'll tell you who has that much time. A major corporation.
What is to stop the awful nasty corporates from pretending to be workers, and forming a "union" that they then strongarm other workers into joining? Did you know that there are quite a few jobs out there where union membership is a mandatory condition of employment? That's right, the company will not hire you if you don't pay the union its monthly union dues. Are these companies just so intimidated by this fearsome union that they dare not hire anyone who isn't under its benevolent protections? Ha! Here's the truth of it, companies make fake unions, to prevent workers from making their own. Companies generate artificial imaginary conflict and negotiation, but somehow the union keeps getting bogged down in closed door negotiations and mysterious legal technicalities.
Okay, here's a good illustration of just what wool they're pulling over your eyes. Which do you like better: Coke or Pepsi? Answer: they both taste the SAME, they are both cola! Even if there are slight differences in taste, the two companies are not competing, and they are not rivals. Instead, they are merely two parts of a greater whole, a headless market beast that seeks to destroy us all just to siphon wealth up to its top stockholders. Coke and Pepsi deliberately pretend to fight, and pretend to be different, so that they can prey heartlessly on your instincts of loyalty and community. And in this imaginary, fake conflict, nobody ever realizes the whole thing is one big complex question. Which do you like better, Coke or Pepsi? i.e. You drink cola, and you enjoy drinking cola, and now that you're forced to agree with that, which brand do you like better? My answer is water! Guess how many other people I've met with an answer like that? Zero.
It's the same with unions. Didn't anyone watch The Matrix? Just like the metaphor of how machines fabricate a Zion to slake mankind's need to have something to fight against, so do the corporations and their marketing departments form false fake corpuses that they try to pass off as unions. Any real unions they destroy. Any they can't destroy, they infiltrate with management. And eventually membership to this false union becomes mandatory for employment, and once that happens the union is no longer a union, merely another branch of the company's human resources department.
Unions aren't around today, because corporate marketers have successfully found crippling unresolvable flaws that totally compromise everything a union would stand for. They weren't destroyed by some kind of corporate battering ram, they were devoured from within. If you think unions are going to come back like the New Haven Elm, you got another thing coming.
I am fully in support of any laws that help workers organize. It just seems like too little, too late. I just don't know what we can do at this point. You lose more money working than you do not working, and faced with that kind of horror how do you feed yourself?
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It's on all the Radios
Just one big pile of:
Corpirate BU__ SH__!
It's in all the magazines and
On all the movie Screens
Just one big pile of:
Corpirate SH-T!
The Homogenization of Human Life
To the lowest
Corpirate Common Denominator
GREED!
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Posted by: Purple Girl on Aug 8, 2008 3:59 AM
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Far too many union 'leaders' are in th epocket of the Corps - nothing more then Co Conspirators. Hold a fee union meetings, talk the talk- then walk the walk right out the door and on to the Golf Course with their Corp Buddies.
There are union officals who are pulling down salaries, twice the amount of their workers they are meant to be advocates for.As a Journeyman my husband made about 40,000 last year- the 'BA's' took home about 80,000-salaried. When work is slow- too bad for the members/workers, but the 'mamangemet' will still get theirs.
Many Union 'leaders' are members of the 'Good Ol' Boys' Club too!
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Posted by: david.model@senecac.on.ca on Aug 8, 2008 6:19 AM
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One of the mosr critical problem in the principle that price will be determined by the laws of supply and demand ignores the piece of the price that is missing, namely externalities. Companies to not pay for environmental damage which they cause or the harm and inadequate wages of those products imported from sweatshops.
Without any external discipline in the free markets, both high executive salaries and dividends to shareholders can suck wealth away from the pot from which workers draw their salaies.
Another serious problem is the growth of monopolies and oligopolies which have so much control over the market that it is impossible for any real interaction between supply and demand to have any effect. The pharmaceutical industry can be considered oligopolistic with ten or fewer companies worldwide. Not only do they have more control over the market but they can lobby government to adopy policies favorable to their industry. Lobbying is another factor in the so-called free market that interferes with the dynamic between supply and demand.
As well, the WTO, IMF and World Bank are external forces acting on governments in developing countries that influence price and availability of goods and services.
Another external force that has had a major impact on wages and prices are all the trade agreements that have been signed recently such as NAFTA.
So while there are external forces operating on workers and consumers there is little in the way of similar pressures on producers. To understand all the issues in the global economic system, you need to abandon the myth about free markets and think about realities of how and why so many people suffer under this system.
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Posted by: hagwind on Aug 8, 2008 6:29 AM
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Trouble is, as a spin it's pretty useless in providing guidelines for serious organizing. "Assault on the middle class" -- what is that, exactly? Where's the front line? What's this "worker campaign" about? This article discusses a piece of top-down legislation, EFCA, but if (as the author states) hardly anyone knows about it, exactly how widespread is this "worker campaign"? Maybe to someone born around 1980 this legislation sounds new! revolutionary! or at least significant! It doesn't sound all that new to me, and in my adult lifetime the only new! revolutionary! legislation that passes Congress by large majorities is the kind that benefits some special interest or another. Penalties for violations sound good on paper, but enforcing those rules and regs nearly always involves a legal battle. I can see why lawyers would get behind this bill in a big way, but I don't see lawyers throwing their briefs into the breach to stop this "assault on the middle class." How often does legislation create or strengthen a grassroots movement? Nowhere nearly as often as grassroots movements drive the development and passage of legislation. That's the kind of legislation that tends to have far-reaching effects. This top-down stuff gets forgotten or co-opted, which is, not infrequently, the intent.
And who are we going to cast as "Corporate America," the hero/villain of the film? God and Satan are the only obvious contenders, and they're not free till after the election.
Wait a second -- is this a remake of Paradise Lost?
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Bring back the guillotine!
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One of the problems has been tax cuts which have not gone into domestic investment in output and full employment but rather into financial speculation and mergers and acquisitions thus concentrating the economy and reducing competition. This more than monetary policy has lead to steady price increases. Prices have built in the financial costs of mergers and the expected rate of return for large shareholders who expect stock prices to increase after a costly merger or acquisition. This is hardly the way the system was meant to operate. Further, the income gains by the rich have been so large that they pay a larger share of taxes even though they received substantial tax cuts and the proportion of the income that they pay in taxes has declined. The rich have made income gains at a rate that far exceeds the increase in their share of the national tax burden. The real issue is that it is effective tax rates and shares of after tax income that are the proper measures of progressivity in the tax code and not the proportional share of the nation tax burden born by each individual income strata. This regressivity has lowered effective consumer demand and slowed GDP growth. It has led to the current crisis of stagnation and the financialization that has destroyed the stability of the US economy and the middle class.
A program of union campaigns, progressive taxation, massive public investment to create full employment and financial regulation is needed to restore the system. The current trends will only lead to a further decline in US capitalism and ultimate social breakdown.
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Posted by: xi_people on Aug 8, 2008 7:45 AM
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Remember what you were doing today. It might be a solemn marker to a world dissolving into chaos.
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Posted by: mnlefty on Aug 8, 2008 7:45 AM
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I work in Human Services for a Union county. The few counties that are non-union look very closely at our contract when deciding their own benefit packages and salary scales. If they aren't competitive, people will leave for the Union county jobs. It's easy to say the Union doesn't do any good since County X has the same benefits and no union dues to worry about. But County X would have lower salaries and fewer benefits if they didn't have pressure to match the Union counties.
Will unions save America? I don't think it's that simple. However, we need to remember that most employers want to pay the minimum possible to retain the maximum profits. Unions raise that line a little higher.
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As a conservative I don't believe the government should be involved in the labor market at all and that the individual's right to form trade guilds or labor unions is implicit because nothing in the Constitution specifically states that they don't have that right. Unions are a good thing but, like any other organization, they can go very bad when they have bad leaders.
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Every significant advance in the lives of American workers has come about after some cops, deputies, marshals or National Guardsmen have got their noses bloodied.
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Having been a member of two labor organizations -- the Teamsters and Air Line Pilots Association (ALPA) -- I know firsthand the pros and cons of union representation. But no way will I waste my time addressing distrations like the article above.
The enemy is John McCain, folks -- America's NUMBER ONE NEOCON! Stop the AlterNet bickering and focus of our nation's REAL threat: continued iron-fisted rule by the rightwing GOP.
Otherwise, here is what we'll get after President McCain takes office in 2009:
If McCain wins in November, the neocons in Washington will increase their power, Bush's incompetent cronies will remain in office, our nation will become more divided, we will never know how many White House crimes were committed over the past eight years, and U.S. armed forces will attack Iran. America deserves a better future than that.
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Union rights have to be #1 for Obama if he has any pretense of "change". He must be prepared to veto every pork loaded bill, including defense and "homeland security" (oink oink) appropriations for four years, deprive Congressmen of sleep(see bios of LBJ) blackmail whoever he has to and break every arm in both parties until this basic civil right is established. If workers can't get basic rights, the soldiers and their dependents who benefit from a welfare state of their own right now should get squat and go to work in the private sector.
Obama the eloquent (and he is) must be prepared to have a weekly news conference and frequent speeches to educate the ignorant public about their own history of labor struggle and rights.
As for the Wrinkly One, well, I don't expect him to give a damn about unions; he's been on the govt payroll all his life. BTW, are Cindy McCain's workers at the Bud facilties unionized?
Cmon Matthews, Brokaw, Schieffer, Mitchell, Maddow Olbermann the Liberal and Blitzer. Where are your labor-oriented questions to the candidates, including the congressional candidates? Enough of is Obama nice to Hilary discussions.
No union bill by Feb 1, 2009, shut the govt down for four years. We'll save money and lives and the standard of living won't be any better or worse.
Then, I guess we'll see if the market truly will regulate open borders and if home schooling works! One thing for sure: the average worker losing his job in Ohio won't be any worse off than he's been under Clinton or Bush. He/she needs unions. And they need them NOW!
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I think a 91% tax on the wealthy would go a long way towards making this country run better. It damn sure would lower the cost of living. How? Well,when the rich have a heavy tax bracket they may fall into,they start lowering prices to keep up a lavish lifestyle on the cheap. Even when we had a 91% tax bracket,the rich had a lot of loop holes to keep them from paying any taxes at all.
Maybe we should institute a non-refundable,non-deductable 45% tax on all Corporate Gross Profits. That would be a tremendous help to the society at large. Why? Because Corporations get to deduct way past zero tax to the point the gov't pays them millions in refunds,and that's not counting the corpie Welfare they've been getting for decades. We killed welfare for the poor because they were a drain on the budget. GET
FUCKING REAL!!!! Welfare for the poor cost the American taxpayer 25 cents a day, Welfare for Corporations cost us $3 a day. I don't know about you,but I live on a pension,a small one,
and I have 25 cents a day to give to someone worse off than me but I damn sure don't have $3 a day to give to some money grubbing pollution bleching,worker killing, society wrecking god damn Corporation. I don't think you do either.
Big Business does'nt need help from the gov't,The People do!!!!! Until we get the fools in office that owe a lot of favors to the corpies out, we will never have a sane gov't.
A sound social policy or the Healthcare we need because the system has let Big Business poison all of us....for money. That's not governance that's elitist wannabe ruler shit. We deserve better. We'll have better.
We just have to 'take out the trash'
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Posted by: wormfarmer on Aug 8, 2008 11:58 AM
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that control. Ralph Nader has ALWAYS pursued that end for the benefit of the constitution, and all of the people in this country. I'm not proud to be american, I'm shocked by how this
country has ignored the transformation to ignorance. Dwight Eisenhower tried to warn us,
control of this country is no longer the peoples', and if we don't vote our conscience now, when will we? We as a people, should display a society that believes in and promotes
fairness and justice in this country as an example for other governments to emulate. This is America's responsibility.
Beware the military / industrial / corporate complex.
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Anyone that claims that eliminating a secret ballot makes it harder for people to be coerced is smoking crack. It's laughable on its face. How can you be coerced if nobody knows how you vote? Making your vote on union representation public will either make you an enemy of your fellow pro-union employees, or an enemy or your anti-union employer. GREAT! Sign me up.
Wal-Mart managers are lying to their employees about unions? That sucks. So pass a law against it. what does a card check have to do with anything? If people will always vote union when they have "the facts" why the outry against secret ballots?
And then there's the usual tactic of pretending that correlation equals causation: Union membership is on the decline, worker wages aren't keeping up with inflation, therefore declining union membership is the cause of lower wages.....
um, how about the fact that this country doesn't build anything anymore? How about the fact that nobody buys American? Could this possibly be the cause of declining wages?
I get it, today we're talking about unions, so we can't bring that up.
Union leadership wants card check because they know they can intimidate people to vote union. And when there are lots of union members, it gives union leaders leverage against the corporation and allows them to drop money into politicians' pockets.
Easy to understand if you're not tool of big labor.
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» Union busting by management has been rampant. Union organizers are illegally fired all the time.
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b: a natural source of wealth or revenue —often used in plural
c: a natural feature or phenomenon that enhances the quality of human life
d: computable wealth —usually used in plural e: a source of information or expertise
2: something to which one has recourse in difficulty : expedient
3: a possibility of relief or recovery
4: a means of spending one's leisure time
5: an ability to meet and handle a situation : resourcefulness
Does anyone notice that we are not personnel, anymore? Personally. I believe that corporations use "Human Resources" because they view the worker as something to be used until used up and then discarded. Thats sure how I feel I'm being treated.
In the same vein, (sorta), we need to get way past labels. Its largely true that the Dems and Repugs are largely indistinguishable (Leibermann calls himself a Democrat and the Dems let him) and it is possible to "look not at what they say, but at what they do". Go to OpenCongress.Org and check out the individuals voting record. What bills did they sponsor, co-sponsor, vote for, or against. Have fun.
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Posted by: Urgelt on Aug 8, 2008 12:43 PM
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Real worker wages over the last 28 years have shrunk, not grown.
The gaming of inflation indices since Reagan is the big unmentionable economic story of our times. Acknowledging it throws every analysis into a cocked hat. Our economy has been shrinking, not growing.
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Posted by: CalKid on Aug 8, 2008 2:20 PM
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Over the years, the US Supreme Court has unfortunately diminished the 10th's effectiveness, but that does not indicate that the original concept was flawed.
If EFCA were not such an anti-American law, more states would have passed similar legislation. As it is now, with labor laws differing from state to state, it is not difficult to see which states have a more prosperous populace with a higher quality of life. Some of those states are heavily unionized and doing well, and some are lightly unionized and doing well. And of course we have opposites.
The point here is that we have many experiments with labor law going on simultaneously, and we need time to examine them to see what works best.
EFCA would very negatively impact the ability to evaluate diverse state laws, by allowing extreme coercion by either pro- or anti-union factions. The secret ballot is central to a government of the people, and central to the right of a group of workers to choose their method of collective union organization.
Years ago I was forced to join a union run by some unsavory characters, and still remember the big thugs that threatened my safety if I dared to oppose unionization. I calculated that after paying my initiation fee and monthly dues, it would take two years of work before I broke even. Clearly this experience has colored my thoughts.
Beyond that, I am certain that pressure by corporations against those who vote for a union, and pressure by unions against those who would vote against them, will put workers between a rock and a hard place, and worse, subject them to personal harm.
Some years ago the Equal Rights Amendment was not passed because all family law would have been removed from the states and given to Congress. I think EFCA will fail for the same reasons.
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Posted by: FoonTheElder on Aug 8, 2008 2:55 PM
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The most glaring example is health care. Any company who pays for health care would likely be better off with a single-payer program. The auto companies would save many millions.
Do you ever hear any of these companies come out for a single payer health plan? No, because the Republicans who give them giant personal tax breaks are in the hands of the big companies that make millions off of the current system. Instead of working in the best interest of their company, they use their influence to help themselves.
Top management is all against anti-trust rules, as long as they can personally make a few bucks off the deal. But when the acquisition runs against their personal interest, they are busy putting up every roadblock they can find.
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Posted by: nfamous on Aug 8, 2008 3:16 PM
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The elite make at a minimum hundreds of millions of dollars. At the high end there are some that make trillions of dollars. No one in Hollywood is making that type of dough trust me. What the elite did was create division in the lower class by creating the have somes, who are people they call the middle class, and the have-littles and have-nots.
People instinctively strive for higher incomes that seem to be achievable. The have-littles and have-nots want to be the have-somes they regard as the middle class but the lower class is nothing but Marx's proletariat and bourgeoisie. The bourgeoisie think they can make it into the upper class but it is impossible because of the way society is structured but they keep struggling like a horse chasing a dangling carrot.
Of course the "middle class" have-somes hate the have-littles and have-nots because they believe their financial situation is due to laziness and criminality. Nothing could be further from the truth in most cases. Conversely the have-littles and have-nots hate the have-somes because they believe they are patronized for being less financially successful and therefore less human. Only capitalism can produce this money dynamic by which the worth of a person is determined solely by his or her income. It is truly an anti-humanistic system.
This bifurcation of the lower class is aided through other elite techniques like religion, racism, fear of homosexuality, gender wars and the like. They drive us apart from each and destroy our communities so that we become individuals who are only in it for ourselves. Who can say that this does not describe modern day America? We are at the end folks, and just like no skyscraper like WTC7 has ever collapsed from fire as they claim it did on 9/11, no empire has ever survived much longer after it began to evince this behavioral syndromes. We could have prevented this but we didn't use our only weapon: each other.
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Posted by: Spiritgirl on Aug 8, 2008 3:20 PM
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This has been a deliberate take-over of our government by corporations, and the top 10%, to the detriment of the rest of America! In the meantime, we the taxpayers get to foot the bill of the new corporate welfare state proudly proclaimed as "the free market"!
For those of you that don't know or were unionized under Don Corleone let me offer a few reasons why unions are good for us all. Back in the day when unions really represented their workers we got: (1) child labor laws, (2)a real minimum wage, (3) real pay equity, (4)40 hour work weeks, (5) real jobs that helped to increase the size of the middle class.
Though unions have been demonized (and yes there are corrupt union officials) unions are the things that helped to make this country stronger. Unions helped to keep corporations more honest vs the rapacious avarice that has taken over the corporate elite of this country!
If you don't believe me think about this, why would corporate America be sooo afraid of unions if they don't recognize the real power of them?
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And of course the unspoken part of the Freidman "Leave it alone until it falters" philosophy is that the public assumes the risks and foots the bill for getting the company back on its feet -- at which point the profits are once again privatized. Great deal for the schmucks.
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Hold the right people responsible. Do you blame the gun or the shooter?
The CEO's and corporate execs are just tools of the rich whose raison d'etre is to generate profits for their masters (and thereby, themselves). The people they serve are the ones to go after.
I want to see the corporate legal structure abolished and banned from operating in the United States. Then we'll have TRUE individual responsibility, something the right wing should embrace. I'm sick of faceless, formless, "corporations" catching the blame when they break the law and kill/fuck up people's lives.
I want individuals held responsible. I want the owners of the corporation punished (i.e. investors. No, I don't mean you Mr. Jackass with $20,000 worth of Wal-mart stock, I mean the Walton family with billions of dollars).
At least in China they know how to make an example of somebody. "Corporations" shipping poisonous products around the world? Let's sentence the head of our FDA to death by firing squad.
When Enron went down, and destroyed the lives of the small time investors that had bought into it, heads should have rolled. In fact, that's perfect, I want the guillotine back and operational.
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Posted by: BlueGorilla on Aug 8, 2008 5:19 PM
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The Republicans are beyond the pale,while the Democrats, like the unions, have effectively lost any real desire to balance the class forces,wipe out poverty and generally stand against the real rulers of the US.
You all know where the power lies,its the big corporations.
The monied interests lobby and advise politicians(in fact at present some of them ie Dick Cheney,Dubya et al are the politicians),they stymie any fetters on their unregulated markets ie by setting up corporate unions, or simply by sacking,and making life difficult for union members..ie Walmart.
This "elite" have their own newspapers,and even own television news channels,which are basically propaganda tools.
If anyone has any delusions about the Democrats,then look at Obama's Friedmanite campaign advisers.These,or other top corporate ideologues will still be advising Obama if he becomes President.
The truth is that any organisation such as a union,that claims to represent the masses,or the interests of member's,needs to be fully independent of the corporations.The same is true of any political party,wishing to make real change,in the current economic and political climate.
Only by combining,creating and developing grass roots organisations,and creating an analysis and strategy,totally independent of the corporate sector,can such change come about.
If you want health provision for all,a fair living wage,the rich to pay taxes proportionate to the wealth they receive,an end to the state funded corporate gravy train, a society of equal opportunities,pensioner benefits which allow for a dignified and comfortable retirement,an environmental policy based on preservation not rape of the earth,and a land where citizens voices arent drowned out by corporate interests,then it is vital to start thinking about an alternative to The Democrats or present union organisations.
It will be a long and difficult project,but lets be honest,there is no alternative as The Democrats are dead.
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Posted by: CommonDreamer on Aug 8, 2008 7:59 PM
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The "nanny state" problem - another misconception...they want voters to think interference is a bad thing...so they will have no interference as they loot the treasury. And yet the irony being of course, the rescue of the markets by the nanny state that bailed out overpaid bankers and speculators....the unjustifiable socialization of risk and privatization of reward.
They are still winning, even after taking the country this far down. Unbelieveable. Is there any hope?
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Posted by: form5166 on Aug 8, 2008 8:35 PM
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The Right knows that this is what most people are about, the Left can't bear to face the truth. Until the Left faces the fact that the problem does not just exist on one side of the equation, they will continue to beat their dead horses forever. No matter how sophisticated the arguements get, when you fail to take the whole picture into account every GD time, you will continue to talk into the echo chamber - the people you are so interested in helping? - they are all busy watching American Idol and eating cheezy puffs and drinking sodas and smoking, while they develop diabetes en masse. They can't hear you.
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I've been in three unions, with a six-year stint as a shop steward, and at no time did any of the three unions do anything for me that the company couldn't have done (and in most cases already had done, like providing benefits) year after year as a shop steward I witnessed union leadership more interested in preserving their rights in a contract (like automatic dues payments, and the right to have a bulletin board onsite) than negotiate for more money.
During organizing campaigns companies are prevented from making any promises that could be construed as an unfair labor practice, but unions can (and will) make promises to workers they know they can't deliver, with no legal recourse to worry about. This is what the EFCA will reinforce; wide-eyed workers who believe they'll hit the jackpot by joining a union, only to find out that everything is subject to negotiation.
I'm in management now (HR), and though my company pays well with great benefits, we spend millions having to fight union campaigns that our employees don't respond to. Less than 5% of our workforce of over 50,000 are unionized, we've had 200+ employees decertify their local this year, yet the unions want in because they are hurting for dues.
The problem with most liberals is that they have this romantic ideal of unions, something out of "Norma Rae". But just type "union corruption" in your search engine, and you'll find that union members everywhere are victims of union leadership year after year. Corporations aren't always the bad guys.
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Posted by: lorenbliss on Aug 9, 2008 10:48 AM
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Of 39 posts, only 12 evidence any real understanding of the role (and necessity) of unions. The remaining 17 are either venomously anti-union --11, including one that with genuine Antoinette haughtiness dismisses all economic concerns as "inanities" -- or seem smugly indifferent to the entire concept of economic democracy.
Were this a fascist or even conservative site, those results would not be surprising. On a presumably "leftist" site, they are horrifying.
They demonstrate (1)-the extent to which the anti-socialist purges of the mid-20th Century converted the United States -- permanently -- into a reflexively social-Darwinist (and thus incipiently fascist) state; (2)-the abysmal ignorance and anti-intellectual malice at the core of the '60s pseudo-"revolution" (a logical consequence of the purges); and (3)-the devastating truth that the resultant social-Darwinist values (“winning is everything; winners win because they're winners/ losers lose because they're losers“) are identical on both sides of the ruling-class/working-class divide.
This is, of course, a classic example of what’s called "identification with the oppressor" -- in this instance, internalization of the oppressor's value system.
Which is not only what killed U.S. unionism; it is also why the U.S. will never evolve a working socialism: the vicious, vindictively self-centered arrogance of the welfare worker or the motor-vehicle clerk (which guarantees we all despise government), is no different from the vicious, vindictively self-centered arrogance of the corporate executive (which would -- were it fully disclosed -- guarantee we hate capitalism).
Prediction: the Employee Free Choice Act will be enacted, but like the Wagner Act before it, it will be nullified by a new Taft-Hartley Act, and the U.S. march toward the Dark Age of sweatshops, slavecamps and fortified mansions will continue regardless of who wins in November.
Indeed, via his vote on FISA, Obama has already cast his lot with the enemies of the Constitution and constitutionally protected liberty.
The one development that might save us -- emergence of a true Labor Party -- will never be allowed. Yet formal prohibition is unnecessary; the Moron Nation mentality is already unable to fulfill the intellectual requirements such a party demands: Marxian economic analysis -- the truth of class struggle -- and the study of history, the latter essential for recognition of both of the vital role of our unique Constitution and of unions in enforcing the goals implicit in its preamble.
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Posted by: melindyrose on Aug 10, 2008 9:50 PM
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Don't fall for it!!
kerry flipflop gore internet etc
these are slime techniques they are very good at because american corporate whores are cheap
we cannot cave in from conglomerate media attacks
karl rove is still loose
bush can still attack more countries.
indeed, he has invaded mexico.
under the guise of "immigration"
blackwater, the highly paid mercenaries where the american servicewoman was raped and murdered last week has succeeded in a san diego facility
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