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America's Economic Free Fall
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In their haste to do anything the financial guys seem to want, Congress and the lame-duck President are, I fear, sowing far more profound troubles for the country. First, while throwing our money at Wall Street, government is neglecting the grave risk of a deeper catastrophe for the real economy of producers and consumers. Second, Washington's selective generosity for influential financial losers is deforming democracy and opening the path to an awesomely powerful corporate state. Third, the rescue has not succeeded, not yet. Banking faces huge losses ahead, and informed insiders assume a far larger federal bailout will be needed -- after the election. No one wants to upset voters by talking about it now. The next President, once in office, can break the bad news. It's not only about the money -- with debate silenced, a dangerous line has been crossed. Hundreds of billions in open-ended relief has been delivered to the largest and most powerful mega-banks and investment firms, while government offers only weak gestures of sympathy for struggling producers, workers and consumers.
The bailouts are rewarding the very people and institutions whose reckless behavior caused this financial mess. Yet government demands nothing from them in return -- like new rules for prudent behavior and explicit obligations to serve the national interest. Washington ought to compel the financial players to rein in their appetite for profit in order to help save the country from a far worse fate: a depressed economy that cannot regain its normal energies. Instead, the Federal Reserve, the Treasury, the Democratic Congress and of course the Republicans meekly defer to the wise men of high finance, who no longer seem so all-knowing.
Let's review the bidding to date. After panic swept through the global financial community this spring, the Federal Reserve and Treasury rushed in to arrange a sweetheart rescue for Bear Stearns, expending $29 billion to take over the brokerage's ruined assets so JPMorgan Chase, the prestigious banking conglomerate, would agree to buy what was left. At the same time, the Fed and Treasury provided a series of emergency loans and liquidity for endangered investment firms and major banks. Investors were not persuaded. Their panic was not "mental," as former McCain adviser Phil Gramm recently complained. The collapse of the housing bubble had revealed the deep rot and duplicity within the financial system. When investors tried to sell off huge portfolios of spoiled financial assets like mortgage bonds, nobody would buy them. In fact, no one can yet say how much these once esteemed "safe" investments are really worth.
The big banks and investment houses are also stuck with lots of bad paper, and some have dumped it on their unwitting customers. The largest banks and brokerages have already lost enormously, but lending portfolios must shrink a lot more -- at least $1 trillion, some estimate. So wary shareholders are naturally dumping financial-sector stocks.
Most recently, the investors' fears were turned on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the huge quasi-private corporations that package and circulate trillions in debt securities with implicit federal backing. Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson (formerly of Goldman Sachs) boldly proposed a $300 billion commitment to buy up Fannie Mae stock and save the plunging share price -- that is, save the shareholders from their mistakes. So much for market discipline. For everyone else, Washington recommends a cold shower.
Talk about warped priorities! The government puts up $29 billion as a "sweetener" for JP Morgan but can only come up with $4 billion for Cleveland, Detroit and other urban ruins. Even the mortgage-relief bill is a tepid gesture. It basically asks, but does not compel, the bankers to act kindlier toward millions of defaulting families.
A generation of conservative propaganda, arguing that markets make wiser decisions than government, has been destroyed by these events. The interventions amount to socialism, American style, in which the government decides which private enterprises are "too big to fail." Trouble is, it was the government itself that created most of these mastodons -- including the all-purpose banking conglomerates. The mega-banks arose in the 1990s, when a Democratic President and Republican Congress repealed the New Deal-era Glass-Steagall Act, which prevented commercial banks from blending their business with investment banking. That combination was the source of incestuous self-dealing and fraudulent stock valuations that led directly to the Crash of 1929 and the Great Depression that followed.
Even before Congress and Bill Clinton repealed the law, the Federal Reserve had aggressively cleared the way by unilaterally authorizing Citigroup to cross the line. Wall Street proceeded, with accounting tricks described as "modernization," to re-create the same scandals from the 1920s in more sophisticated fashion. The financial crisis began when these gimmicky innovations blew up.
Democrats who imagine they can reap partisan advantage from this crisis don't know the history. The blame is bipartisan; so also is the disgrace. In 1980, before Ronald Reagan even came to town, Democrats deregulated the financial system by repealing federal interest-rate ceilings and other regulatory restraints -- a step that doomed the savings and loan industry and eliminated a major competitor for the bankers. Democrats have collaborated with Republicans on behalf of their financial patrons every step of the way.
The same legislation also repealed the federal law prohibiting usury -- the predatory practices that ruin debtors of modest means by lending on terms that ensure borrowers will fail. Usurious lending is now commonplace in America, from credit cards and "payday loans" to the notorious subprime mortgages. The prohibition on usury really involves an ancient moral principle, one common to Judaism, Christianity and Islam: people of great wealth must not be allowed to use it to ruin others who lack the same advantages. A decent society cannot endure it.
The fast-acting politicians may hope to cover over their past mistakes before the public figures out what's happening (that is, who is screwing whom). But the Federal Reserve has a similar reason to move aggressively: the Fed was a central architect and agitator in creating the circumstances that led to the collapse in Wall Street's financial worth. The central bank tipped its monetary policy hard in one direction -- favoring capital over labor, creditors over debtors, finance over the real economy -- and held it there for roughly twenty-five years. On one side, it targeted wages and restrained economic growth to make sure workers could not bargain for higher compensation in slack labor markets. On the other side, it stripped away or refused to enforce prudential regulations that restrained the excesses of banking and finance. In The Nation a few years back, I referred to Alan Greenspan as the "one-eyed chairman" [September 19, 2005] who could see inflation in the real economy -- even when it didn't exist -- but was blind to the roaring inflation in the financial system.
The Fed's lopsided focus on behalf of the monied interests, combined with its refusal to apply regulatory laws with due diligence, eventually destabilized the overall economy. Trying to correct for previous errors, the Fed, with its overzealous free-market ideology, swung monetary policy back and forth to extremes, first tightening credit without good reason, then rapidly cutting interest rates to nearly zero. This erratic behavior encouraged a series of financial bubbles in interest-sensitive assets -- first the stock market, during the late 1990s tech-stock boom, then housing -- but the Fed declined to do anything or even admit the bubbles existed. The nation is now stuck with the consequences of its blindness.
The Federal Reserve's dereliction of duty is central to the financial failures. It betrayed the purpose for which the central bank was first created, in 1913, abandoning the sense of balance the Fed had long pursued and that Congress requires. Most politicians, not to mention the press, are too intimidated to question the Fed's daunting power, but their ignorance is about to compound the problem. Instead of demanding answers, the political system is about to expand the Fed's governing powers -- despite its failure to protect us. Treasury Secretary Paulson proposed and Democratic leaders have agreed to make the insulated Fed the "supercop" that oversees not only commercial banks and banking conglomerates but also the largest investment houses or anyone else big enough to destabilize the system. This "reform" would definitely reassure club members who are already too cozy with the central bankers. Everyone else would be left deeper in the dark.
The political system, once again, is rewarding failure. The Fed is an unreliable watchdog, ideologically biased and compromised by its conflicting obligations. Is it supposed to discipline the big money players or keep them afloat? Putting the secretive central bank in charge, with its unlimited powers to prop up troubled firms, would further eviscerate democracy, not to mention economic justice.
If Congress enacts this concept early next year, the privileged group of protected financial interests is sure to grow larger, because other nonfinancial firms could devise ways to reconfigure themselves so they too would qualify for club membership. A very large manufacturing conglomerate -- General Electric, for instance -- might absorb elements of banking in order to be covered by the Fed's umbrella (GE Capital is already among the largest pools of investment capital). Private-equity firms, with their buccaneer style of corporate management, are already trying to buy into banking, with encouragement from the Fed (the Service Employees International Union has mounted a campaign to stop them). A new President could stop the whole deal, of course, but John McCain has surrounded himself with influential advisers who were co-architects of this financial disaster. For that matter, so has Barack Obama.
The nation, meanwhile, is flirting with historic catastrophe. Nobody yet knows how bad it is, but the peril is vastly larger than previous episodes, like the savings and loan bailout of the late 1980s. The dangers are compounded by the fact that the United States is now utterly dependent on foreign creditors -- Japan and China lead the list -- who have been propping us up with their lending. Thanks to growing trade deficits and debt, foreign portfolio holdings of US long-term debt securities have more than doubled since 1994, from 7.9 percent to 18.8 percent as of June 2007. If these countries get fed up with their losses and pull the plug, the US economy will be a long, long time coming back.
The gravest danger is that the national economy will weaken further and spiral downward into a negative cycle that feeds on itself: as conditions darken, people hunker down and wait for the storm to pass -- consumers stop buying, banks stop lending, producing companies cut their workforces. That feeds more defaulted loan losses back into the banking system's balance sheets. This vicious cycle is essentially what led to the Great Depression after the stock market crash of 1929. I offer not a prediction but a warning. The comparison may sound farfetched now, but US policy-makers and politicians are putting us at risk of historic deflationary forces that, once they take hold, are very difficult to reverse.
A more aggressive response from Washington would address the real economy's troubles as seriously as it does Wall Street's. Financial firms have lost capital on a huge scale -- more of them will fail or be bought by foreign investors. But Wall Street cannot get well this time if the economy remains stuck in the ditch. Washington needs to revive the "animal spirits" of the nation at large. The $152 billion stimulus package enacted so far is piddling and ought to be three or four times larger. Instead of sending the money to Iraq, we should be spending it here on getting people back to work, building and repairing our tattered infrastructure, investing in worthwhile projects that can help stimulate the economy in rough weather.
An agenda of deeper reforms can boost public confidence even as it undoes a lot of the damage caused by the financiers and bankers. Some suggestions:
- Nationalize Fannie Mae and other government-supported enterprises instead of coddling them. Restore them to their original status as nonprofit federal agencies that provide a valuable service to housing and other markets. Make the investors eat their losses. Buy the shares at 2 cents on the dollar. Without a federal guarantee, these firms are doomed anyway.
- Resolve the democratic contradiction of "too big to fail" bailouts by dismantling the firms that are too big to fail -- especially the newly created banking conglomerates that have done so much harm. Restore the boundaries between commercial banking and investment banking. In any case, market pressures are likely to shrink those behemoths as banks sell off their parts to survive. For the remaining big boys, revive antitrust enforcement. Set stern new conditions for emergency lending from government -- supervised receivership, stricter lending rules to prevent recidivism and severe penalties for greed-crazed shareholders and executives.
- Assign the Federal Reserve's regulatory role to a new public agency that is visible and politically accountable. Make the Fed a subsidiary agency of the Treasury Department and reform its decision-making on money and credit to restore an equitable balance between competing goals and interests -- seeking full employment but also stable money and moderate inflation.
- Begin the hard task of re-creating a regulated financial system Americans can trust, one that recognizes its obligations to the broad national interest. This requires regulatory reforms to cover moneypots like private-equity funds and to clear away the blatant conflicts of interest and double-dealing on Wall Street, and also to give responsible shareholders, workers and other interests a greater voice in corporate management and greater protection against rip-offs of personal savings.
- Re-enact the federal law against usury. The details are difficult and can follow later, but this would be a meaningful first step toward restoring moral obligations in the financial sector. People would understand it, and so would a lot of the money guys. Maybe in the deepening crisis, Washington will begin to grasp that money is also a moral issue.
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Posted by: mmckinl on Aug 1, 2008 12:35 AM
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The Federal Reserve is a private corporation whose job it has been to take care of its owners, the member banks which include the likes of CITI , BoA etc. We have seen how that works.
What we need is a Public Central Bank that creates money without interest and regulates without favor for the benefit of people through their government . Benjamin Franklin invented a monetary system that worked perfectly until it was made illegal by Britain. It was the disbanding of the Colonial Banks and their sovereign currencies that instigated the Revolutionary War!
BEN FRANKLIN'S BANK
Benjamin Franklin
Benjamin Franklin helped create the Pennsylvania Scrip, and in his autobiography he wrote of this currency:
The utility of this currency became by time and experience so evident as never afterwards to be much disputed
Franklin believed the shutting down of this paper money by Parliament in 1764 was the principal cause of the American Revolution, as did many other prominent Americans. Peter Cooper, founder of Cooper Union College, Vice-President of the New York Board of Currency, US Presidential Candidate in 1876, and one-time colleague of Secretary of the Treasury Albert Gallatin said in his 1883 book Ideas for a Science of Good Government:
After Franklin had explained…to the British Government as the real cause of prosperity, they immediately passed laws, forbidding the payment of taxes in that money. This produced such great inconvenience and misery to the people, that it was the principal cause of the Revolution. A far greater reason for a general uprising, than the Tea and Stamp Act, was the taking away of the paper money.
Adam Smith -
Adam Smith wrote of the Pennsylvania currency in his famed 1776 work The Wealth of Nations:
The government of Pennsylvania, without amassing any [gold or silver], invented a method of lending, not money indeed, but what is equivalent to money to its subjects. [It advanced] to private people at interest, upon [land as collateral], paper bills of credit…made transferable from hand to hand like bank notes, and declared by act of assembly to be legal tender in all payments...[the system] went a considerable way toward defraying the annual expense…of that…government [low taxes]. [Pennsylvania’s] paper currency…is said never to have sunk below the value of gold and silver which was current in the colony before the…issue of paper money.
COLONIAL MONEY
Why should the banks have a monopoly and enjoy the immense profit on the creation of our money.
We need another Revolution. A Revolution to take back what is ours under the Constitution; the right, indeed the obligation for our government to create our own money without interest and for our own benefit.
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» John F. Kennedy was murdered because he wanted US Notes, not Fed Reserve Notes
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» First, we need to take back our Constitution
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Posted by: mmckinl on Aug 1, 2008 12:52 AM
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“We say in our platform that we believe that the right to coin money and issue money is a function of government. . . . Those who are opposed to this proposition tell us that the issue of paper money is a function of the bank and that the government ought to go out of the banking business. I stand with Jefferson . . . and tell them, as he did, that the issue of money is a function of the government and that the banks should go out of the governing business. . . . [W]hen we have restored the money of the Constitution, all other necessary reforms will be possible, and . . . until that is done there is no reform that can be accomplished.”
Bryan lost in 1896 and again in 1900, but he went on to lead the opposition in Congress. A major bank panic in 1907 led to a bill called the Aldrich Plan, which would have delivered control of the banking system to the Wall Street bankers. However, the alert opposition, led by Bryan, saw through it and soundly defeated it. Bryan said he would not support any bill that resulted in private money being issued by private banks. Federal Reserve Notes must be Treasury currency, issued and guaranteed by the government; and the governing body must be appointed by the President and approved by the Senate.
To get their bill past the opposition in Congress, the Wall Street faction changed its name to the Federal Reserve Act and brought it three days before Christmas, when Congress was preoccupied with departure for the holidays. The bill was so obscurely worded that no one really understood its provisions. Its backers knew it would not pass without Bryan’s support, so in a spirit of apparent compromise, they made a show of acquiescing to his demands. Bryan said happily, “The right of the government to issue money is not surrendered to the banks; the control over the money so issued is not relinquished by the government . . . .”
That was what he thought; but while the national money supply would be printed by the U.S. Bureau of Engraving and Printing, it would be issued as an obligation or debt of the government to a private central bank. The Federal Reserve is wholly owned by a consortium of private banks; it is controlled by bankers; and it protects their interests. It issues Federal Reserve Notes (dollar bills) for the cost of printing them (or, more often, for the cost of entering numbers on a computer screen). This privately-issued money is then lent to the government, and it is owed back to the private Federal Reserve with interest. The interest is eventually refunded to the government, but only after the Fed deducts its operating expenses and a 6 percent guaranteed return for its bank shareholders."
There's more !
Putting the "Federal" Back in the Federal Reserve
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Posted by: Bobsays on Aug 1, 2008 1:33 AM
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But once housing gets back to a price that better reflects salaries and the cost of living, then, yes, set up some sort of entity to back-up home loans and only forward home loans when the person has stumped up 25% deposit, has a stable job and is looking for a long-term mortgage. No more liar loans, NINJA loans etc.
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Posted by: Col. Jackleg on Aug 1, 2008 2:14 AM
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Posted by: racetoinfinity on Aug 1, 2008 3:07 AM
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Of course we'd be better off with Obama than neo-con McCain, but, as you stated:
"but John McCain has surrounded himself with influential advisers who were co-architects of this financial disaster. For that matter, so has Barack Obama.
(my emphasis).
Again, it's the lesser of two evils in our choice, but a decent difference; I have faith that Obama will do at least some of what you prescribe; at the very least, he will restore some sane regulation to the markets.
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Posted by: opmoc on Aug 1, 2008 3:55 AM
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The objective is mass depopulation - mass genocide - via poverty and famine.
Check out "Seeds of Destruction, the Hidden Agenda of Genetic Manipulation" by William Engdahl.
And look to those who have the power.
"New World Order conspiracy theories present the Rothschilds, Rockefellers, DuPonts, Vanderbilts, Bush family, etc. as the real rulers or would-be rulers of the world"
Of course I wouldn't normally go along with such "conspiracy" theories and Engdahl's book might be a load of nonsense (I haven't read it yet) and GM foods might be the solution rather than the problem (I have read good arguments in favour)
But I think there is very strong evidence of concentration of overwhelming power within tiny elites.
Financial and Food crashes don't happen by accident. People are being led to believe that the real problem is lack of Earth resources to sustain human life - whereas I believe that the resources are there and plentiful - but are being deliberately denied.
Where is the resistance to the planned mass genocide and deliberately created hell on earth?
To eliminate mass diversity of food seeds is the height of madness. The earth created this wealth naturally.
Diversity produces natural resistance to all forms of attack - not just in food - but in everything.
If we have just one form of wheat - even if its a genetically constructed form of wheat designed to be resistant to attack - and it is grown throughout the world - an unexpected attack could wipe out the entire crop.
If we had 100 totally different natural strains such an attack might only lose a few per cent the crop.
This attack could be human and deliberate by those who believe the human race needs to be culled.
I expect them to blame the 2 Billion deaths on climate change.
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Posted by: ATH on Aug 1, 2008 4:27 AM
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And I think we definitely need a real investigation of 9/11, since the 9/11 Commission and the NIST reports are total white-washes, and full of holes large enough to fly one of those 757s through--like, the biggest one, why did they change the story on WTC 7, which was obviously brought down by demolition (since it wasn't hit by anything, was farther away than other buildings that were impacted by debris and had small fires,(yet were fine) and the fact that fire does not ever bring down steel-framed buildings, even when they burn for 18 hours and are completely gutted, like the one in Madrid not too long ago) and even admitted to being professionally demolished by Larry Silverstein (the leaseholder) on public T.V. I have the clip. He says "the decision was made to pull, and then we watched the building collapse."
They changed the story because it takes usually a week to rig a building of that size for wireless demolition, but even rushing, it couldn't have been done that day. Also, there is overwhelming evidence that Police, Firefighters, and reporters not only knew the building was going to collapse (which it shouldn't have) but exactly what time it was going to collapse. They changed the story because people figured out that, for the building to have been demolished, as it was, it had to have been rigged prior to 9/11.
Until we get to the truth of that awful day, we are operating in the blind. And of course the republicans, any time criticism of Bush is brought up, bring up 9/11 again.9/11 was completely preventable, but Bush and his administration didn't listen to the multiple warnings..Perhaps because they were looking for, according to their own manifesto,"Rebuilding America's Defenses," a "new Pearl Harbor" event to use to push through these draconian policies!! I suggest everyone do their own research into this event and discover the extent to which we have been lied to. I don't claim to know what actually happened, but it certainly was a lot more, and perhaps very different, from what we've been told. Anyone who believes otherwise hasn't truly studied the evidence, is naive, ignorant, or downright stupid and closed-minded. If you don't believe the government is capable of killing its own citizens to fulfill its agendas, I suggest you check out the "Northwoods Documents."
And yes, the FED is a privately owned bank, which together with the military industrial complex and the oil companies, control Washington. There are a few good people there, but they are in the minority--whether dems or GOPS.
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Posted by: Derek Maddox on Aug 1, 2008 4:31 AM
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The housing market and oil prices are the two sore spots in the economy right now. The housing thing will work itself out sooner or later, and if we'd just start drilling for oil the price of gas would well and truly start a "free fall".
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Posted by: jlohman on Aug 1, 2008 4:33 AM
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To satisfy his cronies Bush gave a tax cut to the wealthy, which converted our $300 billion deficit to a $600 billion deficit, trashed the value of the dollar bill which devalued houses and increased the cost of oil, which now affects every industry in the U.S. to the point than even more jobs have to be sent to low-cost countries.
To get out of this we need:
1) Public funding of campaigns, and at $10 per taxpayer per year it would be a terrific bargain. If politicians are to be beholden to their funders, those funders must be the taxpayers.
2) Single-payer health care, like a Medicare-for-all system that the total population pays for and the burden is removed from corporations who are then able to better compete with foreign product that does not have healthcare costs built into them.
3) Zero taxes on corporations that (a) pay their CEOs below 100 times their lowest paid worker and (b)do not outsource their manufacturing to other countries and keep their jobs in the US.
4) Add tariffs to products that are imported, which increases government revenues and reduces the glamor of cheap foreign products and encourages domestic manufacturing.
5) Politicians should Politicians should protect the public with new Oil-USA option
To get out of this and save the country, the politicians are going to have to take back from the wealthy some of which they gave them. The people without money cannot fix this problem, only the wealthy can.
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Posted by: david.model@senecac.on.ca on Aug 1, 2008 4:50 AM
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By involving the United States in two wars at the same time spending over two trillion dollars, Bush has applied the tried and true formula of war to stimulate the economy. If World War II rescued the country from two the depression of the thirties, think about the effect of two wars. Naturally Bush’s extensive knowledge of history was a major factor in implementing this policy.
On the one hand, economists postulate different theories about stimulating growth, but on the other hand, tax cuts seems to be the solution of choice given certain conditions. Having researched the various options, Bush chose to implement huge tax cuts that mainly benefited the wealthy. The genius in this solution is that even though only the top one percent of the population benefits, they are the big spenders whose extravagant consumption will spur growth ensuring that consumption remains at satisfactory levels.
Since Friedman, Hayek and the Chicago School of Economics has become the latest fad in sound economic management, it has become an axiom that the private sector is the key to long-term stability. To strengthen the private sector at the expense of the inefficient, wasteful government agencies and departments, President Bush has infused large corporations with billions of dollars, based on no-bid contracts, for the reconstruction of Iraq. Although reconstruction projects are either permanently unfinished or non-existent, the end result is that companies such as Halliburton and Bechtel have benefited in a major way. Bush has achieved the goal of free-market economics by not interfering with an inefficient bidding process or burdensome regulations and allowing the market to enrich large corporations with tax-payers dollars.
Bush demonstrated his insight into complex economic principles by creating a huge budget and trade deficit and the largest current accounts deficit in the world. These policies have encouraged countries such as China and Japan to invest heavily in the U.S. every day, all of which allowed the U.S. government to continue to prosecute its very profitable war in Iraq.
All of these policies have lived up to the economic philosophy of the Chicago School of Economics which has built a reputation over many years of successfully ramming free-markets and privatization down the throats of countries that were fortunate enough to be targeted by the United States. Just ask Jeffrey Sachs. Despite the fact that these countries suffered economically, the market system channeled money to multinational corporations. Capitalism in its finest hour. Just ask Bill Gates.
Bush clearly deserved more than the “C” when he was a student of Yale. I will bet that his history professors are scratching their heads now. How could such an intellectually shallow, academically mediocre student have created so much wealth for so few at the expense of so many?
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Posted by: PaulK on Aug 1, 2008 5:36 AM
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In WWII we won. We got the German and Japanese people to pay us some massive war and reconstruction debts for thirty years, thank you.
We lost in Vietnam. In the 1970s we called the debts "stagflation". You don't think the War in Indochina was free, do you?
The government of Iraq wants us out by a mandated December 31, 2008. We lost. We're broke. Now we collectively have to live the life of a big-time gambler and a loser.
Remember Argentina 10 years ago? 70% unemployment. People forcibly occupied abandoned factories and ran them illegally.
This author here, I think he doesn't quite get it, and he's a bit too conservative in his outlook. That's right, too conservative.
Too bad we don't have a popular think tank working on our problems now. Volunteers?
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Posted by: civilsociety on Aug 1, 2008 6:26 AM
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Basics are now unaffordable for most people. We are talking the 90% of the American public. I don't want the top 10% to comment on this post since they have NO idea what living in the bottom is like.
Basics have risen in price thus we are spending more money. Difference is we are getting less for what we spend. That's ok too. Americans need to learn to do with less. Problem is we need to include the top 10% in the equation.
Instead they are the ones that are still reaping benefits from this cockeyed economy. Where are the hedge funds spending their money now? Why, they are buying foreclosures, of course.
Since moving to this state of Florida I've had several incarnations of jobs. After two years I am now a casualty of the rich once again. The principal of the firm "inherited" money and no longer sees it necessary to work. Poof, out of a job. Office closed.
I can name at least six people I have talked to in the last two weeks who are in my same position. Another is working three jobs to try to make ends meet and still may lose his house. Taxes and insurance and the rise in electric and water and food are all the cause. Not for lack of the guy workign from dawn to dusk.
And many of us are SELF employed (that means we don't live off the fat of some corporate largesse based on the back of the consumer) so we don't show up in the "small" unemployment rate.
Don't feel sorry for me but start to awaken to the real story that needs to be told. This government is corrupt to its very core and they plan to do even more to make sure they thin the herds. That could easily be you.
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Posted by: bc430 on Aug 1, 2008 6:29 AM
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Do the same thing - Get the same result. Duh???
The whole nation duped by right leaning deification and worship of the god of deregelation is now getting it's reward from dereglated market forces and Union busting in the form of low wages, no wages, endless war, the demise of the middle class, a revival of racism, fear, doubt, dread and uncertainty. America has been deficated on by the wealthy wizards they feared, believed in and reverenced; whose royal asses generations of her children have been persuaded to kiss. Behind the curtain? The basest of brutes.
Take a closer look at:
Aaron Russo's "America, FREEDOM TO FASCISM"
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As the quote from his article above show, Grieder correctly doesn't let the lie of a 'two-party' system rest. What will Obama do to enforce antitrust laws, repair the damage of past Democratic presidencies and Congresses in deregulation (including the shameful bankruptcy "reform") and put multi-millionaire corporate stooges like Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi out of power and replace them with real reformers?
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Posted by: Godfather89 on Aug 1, 2008 7:36 AM
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I mean as a government giving money to help big business is dangerous and unlawful. Government can manipulate the business or blackmail the business and as the business become more dependent upon that welfare than what happens, you cant follow your own path but rather what Government says.
Plus it does not help when your money is loosing value as well since your pulling it out of thin air. Eventually the money will be worthless and when it is whats going to happen? You are going to have business closing and government imploding
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Posted by: dogsoldier on Aug 1, 2008 7:54 AM
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There are very few companies that offer pensions. Most of us will live or die with our IRAs and 401Ks. If your fund invests in financial stocks, you are probably a bank stock owner. So it isn't just the rich who will be jabbed; it is all of us.
They was always an "implicit" guarantee the feds would prop the Fred...s up as they pretty much fund the conventional mortgage market. The Fred...s did guarantee bandit loans which makes them partly guilty for the meltdown.
So how about these actions:
Bail them out but demand changes and transparency in the entire banking process so banks who loan risky loans take the hits from now on.
As a matter of fact, add transparency to the financial world. If a company gets caught, the board of directors and CEOs start breaking rocks in the hot sun.
Make savings and loans pay taxes. They are getting so large they have an unfair advantage over banks. They are supposed to be small and community owned. Many are getting into the world of too big to fail.
Stop the myth that is is only fat cats that benefit. We are all in this together.
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Posted by: alturn on Aug 1, 2008 7:55 AM
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The financial house of cards was not created just by Americans. Ruling interests around the world were complicit. Reform likewise will not just be about protecting the interests of the American public, it will necessarily be about moving away from all levels of selfish interest and finding ways to take care of the basic needs of everyday people around the world. The twin interrelated challenge of both economic and environmental implosion will bring this clarity.
It was said, "To make progress man must die to the old. Thus it ever was. So, at this time of change must the old structures be renounced, and simply, must all men share". Sooner or later, we will see the wisdom of that course of action.
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Posted by: Spiritgirl on Aug 1, 2008 8:17 AM
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Exactly, how many more S&L disasters are we the people going to have to pay for before we start to demand both responsibility and accountability from the "Washington club"!
Let's review hard-work = trickle-down, elitist = bail-out with public funds! I'm sure that the founding fathers are sooooo proud! Maybe just as during the depression some of those good ole boys need not get bailed out - then maybe they can really feel the pain experienced by the other 90% of Americans!
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Posted by: Bic Pentameter on Aug 1, 2008 8:17 AM
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Perhaps certain segments of labor went too far in the early 70s. Remember the grievances filed when a supervisor changed a light bulb instead of calling in an off-duty electrician for a minimum 3-hr call in? I had friends and relatives in union positions that felt that some of this was going too far.
As a result, laborers - for a time - lived better than most bank employees, accountants, teachers, etc. In our town the UAW ruled, followed by the teamsters, pipefitters, electricians, etc. How many of you can remember numerous families with two UAW incomes that owned several cars (Vettes and Cadillacs were popular), a house boat, a fishing boat, snowmobiles, jet skis and an RV or customized van? That - for a time - was the holy grail, and available even to those without much education.
We've seen corrections and now over-corrections. The feeding frenzy has now taken back those gains and once again begrudges the common person any real economic benefit. This alone leads to over-production. It's not that there aren't enough consumers, it's that they can't really afford everything the market has to offer.
Sure, we can find ways to acquire - through debt. Through homes, credit cards, gasoline cards, on-line shopping, equity loans, reverse mortgages, over-priced health insurance, etc., we are becoming owned by or obligated to (beyond our ability to redeem) a financial sector so pervasive as to resemble the much-reviled company store of yesteryear.
If a hard day's work earned more than just the cost of living, we could buy our way back to corporate solvency through real production. We'd have to stop begrudging most of the rest of the world that type of purchasing power.
It's not going to work for the money handlers to have all of the wealth. It has to circulate all the way to the bottom and back up. There shouldn't such great fear. Working class people will spend it, if they can earn it.
Smoke 'em if you got 'em!
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Posted by: Lincoln fan on Aug 1, 2008 8:20 AM
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Anyone who thinks that the Democrats are going to do anything differently than the Republicans have done has ignored the evidence f past elections. The Democratic party is very sincere in their "reaching across the aisle" rhetoric for in truth we have only one party. And it's controlled by the monied interests.
I think that the mistake that people make is to try to elect leaders. Every king, emperor, dictator, tyrant, and despot were and are leaders. The purpose of our revolution was to
overthrow leaders and put the leadership in the hands of the people. We don't need leaders in politics, we need executives that know how to do what the people tell them to do. It amazes me that after almost two hundred and fifty years, democracy is still a foreign concept to Americans.
The leadership of the country should exist outside the political system and it does. Every positive movement has been created outside the government. The Magna Carta wasn't the idea of a government ruled by a king. Our revolution wasn't the idea of King George. The union movement, the abolition of slavery, women's suffrage,the civil rights movement, peace with Viet Nam were all the ideas of people outside the government.
There are thousands of times more experts outside of government than there are inside. There are thousands of times more people outside government considering thousands of times as many everyday problems than there are inside. These are the people who should lead.
Our trouble is that the average citizen doesn't think that the average citizen is capable of knowing what's best for his country.
It is time to choose one of two alternatives: go for majority rule or continue with minority rule.
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We firmly believe this debacle is planned to bring the US middle class to its knees and pave the way for the Amero. The control of the megabanks must be eliminated. If only the public will wake up. The problem is that the media is controlled so little real news gets out to alert citizens. Only the internet affords real communication. Have you noticed how almost no issues of substance are even being discussed by the candidates? We are bombarded with trivia in this campaign. Congress never takes up legislation that is needed; they don't even meet regularly. All of this is designed to keep us in ignorance and avoid a revolution. The corruption is everywhere and out of control.
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Posted by: dailyplummet on Aug 1, 2008 10:39 AM
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Do you all realize that the only way for this situation to change is a sort of revolutionary shift in America's governing paradigm? In other words, the social conflict and class warfare underlying these deteriorating economic times is going to get much much uglier -- much more conflicted and violent -- before the sort of "moral awakening" he speaks of will lead to anything approaching real and meaningful change.
And Greider is right that the Dems are just as complicit in constructing this disastrous casino that we still -- in all naivete -- call "the economy." Those who believe real change is coming with a Democratic Congress and an Obama administration need to go into drug rehab. That is because those hopes are based on a fundamental abdication of responsibility: The change won't come from Obama, but from a mass movement of economically disenfranchised people, forcing -- with growing militance -- the reforms and reconstructions he proposes. I simply don't believe most Americans have that sort of courage -- particularly because it will require middle-class people to cast their lot with those who are really coming apart below. And that won't happen because the nation is in a Titanic mentality: dapper upper-crusters in tuxedoes will jump into the lifeboats assigned for women and children. Perhaps they will do so with shamed faces -- but, did shame stop these people when the stakes were a lot lower than today?
We really are seeing 1929 all over again. So hang on to your hats, brothers and sisters, our country is about to slide down into a great big cesspool of poverty and displacement.
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Posted by: opmoc on Aug 1, 2008 10:51 AM
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Its the equivalent - of hoarding all the fresh water - like diverting the natural water flow to enormous great lakes - where the rich can entertain themselves fishing for fresh trout
Whilst denying water to everyone else - so WE can't even grow food or have clean water to drink.
There is no shortage of fresh water on this planet.
And there is no shortage of money
And there is no shortage of energy
Or resources
The elite are trying to impoverish us all and starve us all to death
A weapon of mass destruction
Are we going to let them kill us all?
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STOP the BS and start dragging these bastards into the street and kicking there asses.
We all kno wthe story. Now start some action Jackson!
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Posted by: edgeofnowhere on Aug 1, 2008 11:06 AM
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MMCKINL's post (Putting the "Federal" back in the Federal Reserve") in this thread is most cogent historically. Also, for an excellent and well researched book on this subject, read FINANCIAL RECKONING DAY by William Bonner with Addison Wiggin. So as the "election" of 2008 looms, we can expect to face the consequences of a money supply gone wild. The Rebublocrats are not going to change anything; their "job" is to get their loot out of the country and buy property in Paraguay. But change will come, painful though it may be. As in all financial collapses, the pensions and savings of the citizens will be wiped out and chaos will ensue as the majority of citizens struggle to survive. All the proposed legislative "reforms" will be meaningless and a new medium of exchange will rise to replace the failed toilet paper dollar. Perhaps it will be the Amero, perhaps it will be a redesigned "dollar" with some sort of physical backing. And let us not forget that since we are in a "global" world economy, those countries that hold the paper will suffer great losses as well, perhaps leading to social upheaval the unrest. The time is coming, and it is coming soon. It is a tsunami that cannot be held back or delayed by any of the existing political or financial mechanisms in our system.
What can one do in the face of this looming economic, political and social crisis? First, put whatever toilet paper dollars you have into something of intrinsic value. This could be precious metals, non-perishable commodities such as foodstuffs or -- yes, real toilet paper! Second, try to locate yourself in a rural area with strong community spirit. If you have ties in other countries, you could consider moving abroad, though it is far from certain that the problem would not occur in other countries as well. Third, become as self-sufficient as possible by producing what you can and reducing unnecessary expenditures.
My grandfather, who lived through the Weimar hyperinflation, finally took his 5000 Mark life insurance policy left to him by his father to the store and purchased one kilo of wurst at the height of the madness. "If I had done it a week earlier, I could have had TWO kilos!" he told us.
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Posted by: pirugenia on Aug 1, 2008 11:13 AM
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"Our enemies do not stop thinking of ways to destroy the US, and neither do we"
It was no bushism, he meant it.
Boy do they have us by the gonads.
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Posted by: opmoc on Aug 1, 2008 12:07 PM
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My wife and I come from a very communiy rich part of England - but very poor in terms of material wealth.
Where we come from Lancashire people are just naturally warm and generous to each other.
But we moved to near London for economic reasons more than 25 years ago.
And we speak with these funny Northern accents.
England is rich in Pubs
Pubs are places where anyone can go and talk to people.
So we didn't know anyone in the South of England - and we were just like immigrants from any part of the World.
Sure we both went to work in London at first - and of course work provides at least a kind of community experience.
But it is not enough
You can't just go to work and then come back home to your box - just to go back to work again
So we went to our local pubs when they put on live music bands (our complete passion)
And we didn't just stop there.
We made friends - and asked them back to our house for parties.
As a result we got to know an incredibly large number of people - some of who'm ask us back to their homes for parties.
And some of them - despite the fact that she does her best to hide it from everyone - found out my wife's birthday
And do something quite wonderful for her
That is community
Despite being effective immigrants speaking funny English from a completely different culture - we not only got accepted but loved.
Actually we find that people are much the same all over the World
A genuine smile and interest in people no matter how rich or poor they are - and people are just incredibly generous and nice
Jesus Christ got it right
Their is far more pleasure to be had in giving.
In todays world some people find it so surprising that it completely turns their world around and they start being really nice and generous to others
Try it
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Posted by: redceres on Aug 1, 2008 12:19 PM
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Forgive me this ugly mix of metaphors.
I do think that, if we have to pick one major battle, media regulation is a good one.
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Posted by: aberdeen on Aug 1, 2008 12:35 PM
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Richard Aberdeen
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are so...
...screwed.
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Posted by: GreyFoxThree on Aug 1, 2008 12:53 PM
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Posted by: opmoc on Aug 1, 2008 12:59 PM
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The kids tried to Bully Me
Cos I had a Muscular Problem
What the kids didn't realise that my Muscular Problem only lasted for around 10-20 seconds after a period of relaxation
I always stood up to the Bullies
Sure they sometimes beat me to a bloody mess and My Mum got upset when I came home
But I wouldn't give in
And I always stopped when I knew I had made my point
I didn't want to kill anyone
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I don't really know whether we can survive all this. Countries have fallen from less, many times. But if we are to survive, we need some real leaders to come forward and tell it like it is, not what the polls say we want to hear. And we need to make do with a lower standard of living -- less energy, less stuff, paying down our debts instead of spending more. I hope we can do it.
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Posted by: perkywa on Aug 1, 2008 1:35 PM
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Thomas Jefferson
News Flash: We've been screwed, blued and tattooed by the "private banks" since 1913 when the Private Bankers finally got their "Central Bank" aka the Federal Reserve
Jefferson also predicted that the money power in private hands would lead to endemic WAR. So why aren't these concepts taught in school to every American? Gee...who do you think "engineered" our "education" system?
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Posted by: opmoc on Aug 1, 2008 3:09 PM
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JF Kenney is Based in Houston Texas
We used to do some computing in Fulham, London for an Energy Company based in Houston Texas
They Chose Us Because We Were The Best
Not all Americans are Stupid
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Posted by: Democratic Socialist on Aug 1, 2008 4:44 PM
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In the chart on that page, U-3 is the "official" unemployment rate while U-6 is closer to reality.
After reviewing a lot of data I'd say that umemployment and underemployment hovers closer to 15-20%, with inflation (especially of necessities like food, fuel, housing) rising every day as the FED continues to endlessly print funny-money.
America is entering very dangerous waters (if things get worse we could be on the verge of mass panic) and neither the Democrats or Republicans offer any real solutions. What is to be done?
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Posted by: opmoc on Aug 1, 2008 5:11 PM
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Even The Stuff About Kylie Macgoogle whoever she is
Its just designed to market them
You can Market Music By For Example
THE MUSIC
By any stunt you want.
Publicity works - it keeps the name in the public image
Most of it is completely untrue
Sure they do the walk into the whatever it is whilst the photographers are there to do the job
They are working for the Corporation
EMI or whatever
Wake Up For Fucks Sake
The Mass Media Are Painting You an Image
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The End Point and The End Game
Prologue:
With the rise of communist China, the advent of peak oil, and an unresolved economic crisis in the United States, it’s not hard to see that history is at turning point. Peak oil and a foundering economy are threatening challenges. But how should we perceive China? First of all we need to get rid of the communist label. Communism is the end state of historical materialism. The inexorable push of economic determinism that ultimately leads to the collapse of capitalism and then finally to communism—a worker’s utopia.
So better said, China is a nation ruled by Marxists whose mission, towards this end, is to overthrow the existing order by beating us at our game.
Still, for us, history is determined by our free will as we put forward the ideas to meet the challenges that a changing world presents. Yet up to this point we seem to be at loss. And neither Obama nor McCain, as they seek the White House, has presented a clear strategy either for economic recovery or ideological victory. And while we embrace democracy and free markets, ideas that Marxists see as a meaningless reflection of capitalism—brave words in the face of their ultimate demise, they too need an update.
So, given the gravity of these issues it’s best that we consider the worst-case Marxist scenario and then consider the practical idealism that can resolve these challenges.
What does China want?
With the fall of the Soviet Union it was widely believed that we had witnessed the end of history; that is the end of the historical ideological war between democracy and Marxism—the contest that determines the ideal state for humanity. But with the rise of communist China, we are again faced with the historical question: who will be left standing when all is said and done?
This time around it looks like the final battle. And the news from the front isn’t good. Marxist China, simply by opening its trade door to the world’s capitalists has pretty much captured the means of production along with the technology and the wealth and so the wherewithal to build up its military strength. Does this mean that Marxism is set to dominate the world? Not quite. It is not the rise of worldwide communism that China has in mind, but “socialism with Chinese characteristics.” It is China that has captured the means of production and it is China that seeks to dominate the world—to regain their past imperialistic glory and assume their rightful role as rulers of the world. And they intend to do so not by military dominance, but by waging total economic war. A war we are on the verge of losing. And as we lose it, so goes the world. This is China’s end point and end game.
So, before they succeed, we have to get in the game. Not only do we need a vision that pulls our economy out of recession, we also need one that will win the ideological war. That is, we need an end point and end game of our own.
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But you're fucked.
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Posted by: blogbooks on Aug 1, 2008 8:37 PM
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No hearings? No debate?
Hmm, I wonder why. Could it be that failure of the system is not an option? Could it be that "the system" really is in control of our government? Could it be that the "corporate megastate" already exists?
I answer yes to all of these questions.
See, let me explain to you how it works.
Rich people own everything. The land, the water, the air, and certainly everything man made to include what you think is "your" property.
Via the corporate legal business structure they are removed from all responsibility for what is done in their name and for their benefit. They are just "innocent shareholders" like the rest of us. See, the Walton family isn't responsible for anything Wal-mart does, oh no, they're just investors.
The people that run these corporations at the executive level are incredibly intelligent and motivated individuals. That's why their pay is so outrageously high. These people would run off and start their own businesses if they were not paid a prince's ransom. Further, they are risking a lot for the benefit of the rich people that own the companies they run. Given that we are a culturally corrupt nation of mercenaries that will shoot a stranger in the back for a penny.
As for the rest of us? Useful idiots and sheep. There are a few wolves among the peasantry, yes, and most of them end up in prison...while a few manage to join their brethren at the top.
12-16 years of schools conditions you to sit inside all day doing work you may or may not find interesting for the benefit of others.
The early debt trap locks young people into a life of indentured servitude from which there is no escape.
The "invisible hand" of the free market makes it difficult to survive in just about any labor market as labor out-competes itself for scraps from the master's table. We are only "free" to use our pathetic income in the sheltered sand-box fantasy theme park that is American consumerism.
You really think this beautiful system of invisible hereditary and eternal plutocracy will be allowed to collapse without a fight? Oh no, you will see Washington in ashes before the people that built and maintain this system allow it to fall...
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Posted by: Mister_PsyOps on Aug 1, 2008 8:38 PM
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This is about entrenched organized crime by way of a Fascist CORPORATE MONOPOLY STATE backed by temp political stooges and a sellout MSM .
To put it bluntly, Greider is a well known LIMITED HANGOUT. If he were anything like a real reformer, he would call for the immediate abolition of the "Fed" that has been a ruling class fraud built to soak the middle class and poor from day one.
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Posted by: mike montagne on Aug 2, 2008 11:14 AM
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There were many forms of colonial currency. Yes, in certain vital respects, some of those forms were preferable to the privatized form of currency to which we are now subject, and which can only multiply debt in proportion to a vital circulation.
But the solution of all our problems is the real issue; and that solution has existed since 1979 in mathematically perfected economy™. Likewise, we are the original source of invalidations of the gold standard.
Why deviate from solution? Why revert to imperfect scrip, when that would be to suffer problems such as depreciation of the currency? Why advocate a step backward, when we have the proposition of mathematically perfected economy™?
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Posted by: Indiosmith on Aug 3, 2008 4:41 AM
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Recessions are good:
- They force people to trim spending, pay down debt and save
- They discourage lenders from granting loans to un-creditworthy borrowers
- They weed out bad loans through defaults
- They force companies to trim fat and operate efficiently
- They force weak, inefficient companies out of business, freeing up resources for more efficient use
In short, recessions are the market's way of optimizing scarce resource allocation and imposing discipline on an otherwise spendthrift population. This discipline is needed to prevent the accumulation of excessive debt, the unwinding of which has catastrophic consequences in direct proportion to the amount of debt accumulated. Accumulate sufficient debt and Great Depressions result.
The single-most distinctive feature of a Great Depression is "cascading defaults" -- borrowers default causing banks to default on money borrowed from their depositors, who, in turn, then default on their loans to other banks, and so on. The most obvious cause of cascading defaults is excessive debt. The U.S. economy is in trouble precisely because of excessive debt. With most responsible borrowers leveraged to the hilt, lenders eager to keep earning interest on their surplus cash were forced to lend to less credit-worthy borrowers, credit-card abusers and subprime homebuyers. Add into the mix the revocation of the Glass-Steagall Act and usury laws to ramp up the credit machine, and you wind up with record levels of shaky household debt relative to disposable income.
Now the chickens are coming home to roost. Greedy mortgage lenders and the dumb saps on Wall Street they fobbed off their bum loans to are taking massive writeoffs and begging the Fed, the Treasury and foreigners to rescue them with massive cash infusions. "Privatize profits, socialize losses" has become the operative system in America today.
We may be already past the point of no return. The record debt load of American households may be sufficiently burdensome as to cause the cascading defaults prompting another Great Depression.
We would be a lot better off today if Mr. Greenspan had stopped playing rescuer-in-chief during his tenure in office and allowed market forces to bring about periodic, manageable recessions, thereby preventing the record levels of debt now menacing the economy. Better to have suffered a series of manageable, market-induced recessions along the way, than to pursue a policy of "endless prosperity" culminating in a crushing debt load leading to another Great Depression.
For additional commentary, visit www.cassandra-chronicles.com and cassandra-chronicles.blogspot.com
David L. Smith, Editor and Publisher
David L. Smith's Cassandra Chronicles
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Posted by: Raymond Emerson on Aug 3, 2008 11:58 AM
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When Reagan took office he vetoed everything. He vetoed motherhood. He vetoed apple pie. Finally the democrats went to him and asked him what he wanted. He got a big chunk of it. The democrats thought they could just reverse it when he left. They never really got the chance. There were 12 years of Reagan and Bush. Then there was a 24 month window of opportunity when Clinton went in.
During that period there was so much to be done that the Reagan deregualtion did not get reregulated. There seemed to no indication that it was a priority. At the end of that 24 months congress went republican and the following 6 years was one of the right protecting their newfound windows of anarchy. They have now pretty much achieved their goals. They are simple. Anarchy for me. Regulation for you. What are you going to do about it?
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So while Newsweek touts our 3 percent annual rate of inflation (5 percent since this spring), the reality is that CPI as it was calculated before the Clinton-era changes went into effect was more than 8 percent last month. And that's not including a whole other set of methodological changes made in 1983 (which I'll get to shortly).
And a change of subject:
As to bringing up the past, we can all revisit other comments and responses-or the lack thereof-by pfiefer999
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Posted by: lizard010 on Aug 4, 2008 9:59 PM
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In Australia over the last 30-40 years we have had a number of nationally significant crashes, we used to bail the companies out (which simply drip feed dying companies).
However public and political opinion has changed over the years based on this experience and now we tend to step back and let them fail. The pain is often short and hard but the longer-term benefits for all have made it worthwhile.
I watch with interest.
P.S. I have been burnt by that pain myself and lived in a community deeply affected by a collapse (read building society mismanagement). Not pleasant but that community is much stronger and resilient today as a result off that collapse than it would have been had a drip feed solution been found.
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Posted by: Dianka on Aug 7, 2008 5:07 PM
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As long as we fail to address both of these things, nothing will change. You can't build a house (or a national economy) on a crumbling foundation.
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Example: who do lobbyists represent and what is the level of power they wield in DC?
Did NAFTA, Free Trade Agreements, and globalization benefit anybody in the US other than stockholders in corporations?
Some of the other posts are very interesting. This country was founded partially on a tax revolt, and it may take a similar "revolution" to turn things around this time. I'd have to say that Wall Street and its connection to Washington, DC, is out of control.
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Posted by: mmckinl on Aug 1, 2008 12:35 AM
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The Federal Reserve is a private corporation whose job it has been to take care of its owners, the member banks which include the likes of CITI , BoA etc. We have seen how that works.
What we need is a Public Central Bank that creates money without interest and regulates without favor for the benefit of people through their government . Benjamin Franklin invented a monetary system that worked perfectly until it was made illegal by Britain. It was the disbanding of the Colonial Banks and their sovereign currencies that instigated the Revolutionary War!
BEN FRANKLIN'S BANK
Benjamin Franklin
Benjamin Franklin helped create the Pennsylvania Scrip, and in his autobiography he wrote of this currency:
The utility of this currency became by time and experience so evident as never afterwards to be much disputed
Franklin believed the shutting down of this paper money by Parliament in 1764 was the principal cause of the American Revolution, as did many other prominent Americans. Peter Cooper, founder of Cooper Union College, Vice-President of the New York Board of Currency, US Presidential Candidate in 1876, and one-time colleague of Secretary of the Treasury Albert Gallatin said in his 1883 book Ideas for a Science of Good Government:
After Franklin had explained…to the British Government as the real cause of prosperity, they immediately passed laws, forbidding the payment of taxes in that money. This produced such great inconvenience and misery to the people, that it was the principal cause of the Revolution. A far greater reason for a general uprising, than the Tea and Stamp Act, was the taking away of the paper money.
Adam Smith -
Adam Smith wrote of the Pennsylvania currency in his famed 1776 work The Wealth of Nations:
The government of Pennsylvania, without amassing any [gold or silver], invented a method of lending, not money indeed, but what is equivalent to money to its subjects. [It advanced] to private people at interest, upon [land as collateral], paper bills of credit…made transferable from hand to hand like bank notes, and declared by act of assembly to be legal tender in all payments...[the system] went a considerable way toward defraying the annual expense…of that…government [low taxes]. [Pennsylvania’s] paper currency…is said never to have sunk below the value of gold and silver which was current in the colony before the…issue of paper money.
COLONIAL MONEY
Why should the banks have a monopoly and enjoy the immense profit on the creation of our money.
We need another Revolution. A Revolution to take back what is ours under the Constitution; the right, indeed the obligation for our government to create our own money without interest and for our own benefit.
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Posted by: mmckinl on Aug 1, 2008 12:52 AM
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“We say in our platform that we believe that the right to coin money and issue money is a function of government. . . . Those who are opposed to this proposition tell us that the issue of paper money is a function of the bank and that the government ought to go out of the banking business. I stand with Jefferson . . . and tell them, as he did, that the issue of money is a function of the government and that the banks should go out of the governing business. . . . [W]hen we have restored the money of the Constitution, all other necessary reforms will be possible, and . . . until that is done there is no reform that can be accomplished.”
Bryan lost in 1896 and again in 1900, but he went on to lead the opposition in Congress. A major bank panic in 1907 led to a bill called the Aldrich Plan, which would have delivered control of the banking system to the Wall Street bankers. However, the alert opposition, led by Bryan, saw through it and soundly defeated it. Bryan said he would not support any bill that resulted in private money being issued by private banks. Federal Reserve Notes must be Treasury currency, issued and guaranteed by the government; and the governing body must be appointed by the President and approved by the Senate.
To get their bill past the opposition in Congress, the Wall Street faction changed its name to the Federal Reserve Act and brought it three days before Christmas, when Congress was preoccupied with departure for the holidays. The bill was so obscurely worded that no one really understood its provisions. Its backers knew it would not pass without Bryan’s support, so in a spirit of apparent compromise, they made a show of acquiescing to his demands. Bryan said happily, “The right of the government to issue money is not surrendered to the banks; the control over the money so issued is not relinquished by the government . . . .”
That was what he thought; but while the national money supply would be printed by the U.S. Bureau of Engraving and Printing, it would be issued as an obligation or debt of the government to a private central bank. The Federal Reserve is wholly owned by a consortium of private banks; it is controlled by bankers; and it protects their interests. It issues Federal Reserve Notes (dollar bills) for the cost of printing them (or, more often, for the cost of entering numbers on a computer screen). This privately-issued money is then lent to the government, and it is owed back to the private Federal Reserve with interest. The interest is eventually refunded to the government, but only after the Fed deducts its operating expenses and a 6 percent guaranteed return for its bank shareholders."
There's more !
Putting the "Federal" Back in the Federal Reserve
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Posted by: Bobsays on Aug 1, 2008 1:33 AM
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But once housing gets back to a price that better reflects salaries and the cost of living, then, yes, set up some sort of entity to back-up home loans and only forward home loans when the person has stumped up 25% deposit, has a stable job and is looking for a long-term mortgage. No more liar loans, NINJA loans etc.
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Posted by: Col. Jackleg on Aug 1, 2008 2:14 AM
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Posted by: racetoinfinity on Aug 1, 2008 3:07 AM
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Of course we'd be better off with Obama than neo-con McCain, but, as you stated:
"but John McCain has surrounded himself with influential advisers who were co-architects of this financial disaster. For that matter, so has Barack Obama.
(my emphasis).
Again, it's the lesser of two evils in our choice, but a decent difference; I have faith that Obama will do at least some of what you prescribe; at the very least, he will restore some sane regulation to the markets.
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Posted by: opmoc on Aug 1, 2008 3:55 AM
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The objective is mass depopulation - mass genocide - via poverty and famine.
Check out "Seeds of Destruction, the Hidden Agenda of Genetic Manipulation" by William Engdahl.
And look to those who have the power.
"New World Order conspiracy theories present the Rothschilds, Rockefellers, DuPonts, Vanderbilts, Bush family, etc. as the real rulers or would-be rulers of the world"
Of course I wouldn't normally go along with such "conspiracy" theories and Engdahl's book might be a load of nonsense (I haven't read it yet) and GM foods might be the solution rather than the problem (I have read good arguments in favour)
But I think there is very strong evidence of concentration of overwhelming power within tiny elites.
Financial and Food crashes don't happen by accident. People are being led to believe that the real problem is lack of Earth resources to sustain human life - whereas I believe that the resources are there and plentiful - but are being deliberately denied.
Where is the resistance to the planned mass genocide and deliberately created hell on earth?
To eliminate mass diversity of food seeds is the height of madness. The earth created this wealth naturally.
Diversity produces natural resistance to all forms of attack - not just in food - but in everything.
If we have just one form of wheat - even if its a genetically constructed form of wheat designed to be resistant to attack - and it is grown throughout the world - an unexpected attack could wipe out the entire crop.
If we had 100 totally different natural strains such an attack might only lose a few per cent the crop.
This attack could be human and deliberate by those who believe the human race needs to be culled.
I expect them to blame the 2 Billion deaths on climate change.
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Posted by: ATH on Aug 1, 2008 4:27 AM
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And I think we definitely need a real investigation of 9/11, since the 9/11 Commission and the NIST reports are total white-washes, and full of holes large enough to fly one of those 757s through--like, the biggest one, why did they change the story on WTC 7, which was obviously brought down by demolition (since it wasn't hit by anything, was farther away than other buildings that were impacted by debris and had small fires,(yet were fine) and the fact that fire does not ever bring down steel-framed buildings, even when they burn for 18 hours and are completely gutted, like the one in Madrid not too long ago) and even admitted to being professionally demolished by Larry Silverstein (the leaseholder) on public T.V. I have the clip. He says "the decision was made to pull, and then we watched the building collapse."
They changed the story because it takes usually a week to rig a building of that size for wireless demolition, but even rushing, it couldn't have been done that day. Also, there is overwhelming evidence that Police, Firefighters, and reporters not only knew the building was going to collapse (which it shouldn't have) but exactly what time it was going to collapse. They changed the story because people figured out that, for the building to have been demolished, as it was, it had to have been rigged prior to 9/11.
Until we get to the truth of that awful day, we are operating in the blind. And of course the republicans, any time criticism of Bush is brought up, bring up 9/11 again.9/11 was completely preventable, but Bush and his administration didn't listen to the multiple warnings..Perhaps because they were looking for, according to their own manifesto,"Rebuilding America's Defenses," a "new Pearl Harbor" event to use to push through these draconian policies!! I suggest everyone do their own research into this event and discover the extent to which we have been lied to. I don't claim to know what actually happened, but it certainly was a lot more, and perhaps very different, from what we've been told. Anyone who believes otherwise hasn't truly studied the evidence, is naive, ignorant, or downright stupid and closed-minded. If you don't believe the government is capable of killing its own citizens to fulfill its agendas, I suggest you check out the "Northwoods Documents."
And yes, the FED is a privately owned bank, which together with the military industrial complex and the oil companies, control Washington. There are a few good people there, but they are in the minority--whether dems or GOPS.
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Posted by: Derek Maddox on Aug 1, 2008 4:31 AM
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The housing market and oil prices are the two sore spots in the economy right now. The housing thing will work itself out sooner or later, and if we'd just start drilling for oil the price of gas would well and truly start a "free fall".
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Posted by: jlohman on Aug 1, 2008 4:33 AM
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To satisfy his cronies Bush gave a tax cut to the wealthy, which converted our $300 billion deficit to a $600 billion deficit, trashed the value of the dollar bill which devalued houses and increased the cost of oil, which now affects every industry in the U.S. to the point than even more jobs have to be sent to low-cost countries.
To get out of this we need:
1) Public funding of campaigns, and at $10 per taxpayer per year it would be a terrific bargain. If politicians are to be beholden to their funders, those funders must be the taxpayers.
2) Single-payer health care, like a Medicare-for-all system that the total population pays for and the burden is removed from corporations who are then able to better compete with foreign product that does not have healthcare costs built into them.
3) Zero taxes on corporations that (a) pay their CEOs below 100 times their lowest paid worker and (b)do not outsource their manufacturing to other countries and keep their jobs in the US.
4) Add tariffs to products that are imported, which increases government revenues and reduces the glamor of cheap foreign products and encourages domestic manufacturing.
5) Politicians should Politicians should protect the public with new Oil-USA option
To get out of this and save the country, the politicians are going to have to take back from the wealthy some of which they gave them. The people without money cannot fix this problem, only the wealthy can.
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Posted by: david.model@senecac.on.ca on Aug 1, 2008 4:50 AM
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By involving the United States in two wars at the same time spending over two trillion dollars, Bush has applied the tried and true formula of war to stimulate the economy. If World War II rescued the country from two the depression of the thirties, think about the effect of two wars. Naturally Bush’s extensive knowledge of history was a major factor in implementing this policy.
On the one hand, economists postulate different theories about stimulating growth, but on the other hand, tax cuts seems to be the solution of choice given certain conditions. Having researched the various options, Bush chose to implement huge tax cuts that mainly benefited the wealthy. The genius in this solution is that even though only the top one percent of the population benefits, they are the big spenders whose extravagant consumption will spur growth ensuring that consumption remains at satisfactory levels.
Since Friedman, Hayek and the Chicago School of Economics has become the latest fad in sound economic management, it has become an axiom that the private sector is the key to long-term stability. To strengthen the private sector at the expense of the inefficient, wasteful government agencies and departments, President Bush has infused large corporations with billions of dollars, based on no-bid contracts, for the reconstruction of Iraq. Although reconstruction projects are either permanently unfinished or non-existent, the end result is that companies such as Halliburton and Bechtel have benefited in a major way. Bush has achieved the goal of free-market economics by not interfering with an inefficient bidding process or burdensome regulations and allowing the market to enrich large corporations with tax-payers dollars.
Bush demonstrated his insight into complex economic principles by creating a huge budget and trade deficit and the largest current accounts deficit in the world. These policies have encouraged countries such as China and Japan to invest heavily in the U.S. every day, all of which allowed the U.S. government to continue to prosecute its very profitable war in Iraq.
All of these policies have lived up to the economic philosophy of the Chicago School of Economics which has built a reputation over many years of successfully ramming free-markets and privatization down the throats of countries that were fortunate enough to be targeted by the United States. Just ask Jeffrey Sachs. Despite the fact that these countries suffered economically, the market system channeled money to multinational corporations. Capitalism in its finest hour. Just ask Bill Gates.
Bush clearly deserved more than the “C” when he was a student of Yale. I will bet that his history professors are scratching their heads now. How could such an intellectually shallow, academically mediocre student have created so much wealth for so few at the expense of so many?
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Posted by: PaulK on Aug 1, 2008 5:36 AM
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In WWII we won. We got the German and Japanese people to pay us some massive war and reconstruction debts for thirty years, thank you.
We lost in Vietnam. In the 1970s we called the debts "stagflation". You don't think the War in Indochina was free, do you?
The government of Iraq wants us out by a mandated December 31, 2008. We lost. We're broke. Now we collectively have to live the life of a big-time gambler and a loser.
Remember Argentina 10 years ago? 70% unemployment. People forcibly occupied abandoned factories and ran them illegally.
This author here, I think he doesn't quite get it, and he's a bit too conservative in his outlook. That's right, too conservative.
Too bad we don't have a popular think tank working on our problems now. Volunteers?
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Posted by: civilsociety on Aug 1, 2008 6:26 AM
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Basics are now unaffordable for most people. We are talking the 90% of the American public. I don't want the top 10% to comment on this post since they have NO idea what living in the bottom is like.
Basics have risen in price thus we are spending more money. Difference is we are getting less for what we spend. That's ok too. Americans need to learn to do with less. Problem is we need to include the top 10% in the equation.
Instead they are the ones that are still reaping benefits from this cockeyed economy. Where are the hedge funds spending their money now? Why, they are buying foreclosures, of course.
Since moving to this state of Florida I've had several incarnations of jobs. After two years I am now a casualty of the rich once again. The principal of the firm "inherited" money and no longer sees it necessary to work. Poof, out of a job. Office closed.
I can name at least six people I have talked to in the last two weeks who are in my same position. Another is working three jobs to try to make ends meet and still may lose his house. Taxes and insurance and the rise in electric and water and food are all the cause. Not for lack of the guy workign from dawn to dusk.
And many of us are SELF employed (that means we don't live off the fat of some corporate largesse based on the back of the consumer) so we don't show up in the "small" unemployment rate.
Don't feel sorry for me but start to awaken to the real story that needs to be told. This government is corrupt to its very core and they plan to do even more to make sure they thin the herds. That could easily be you.
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Posted by: bc430 on Aug 1, 2008 6:29 AM
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Do the same thing - Get the same result. Duh???
The whole nation duped by right leaning deification and worship of the god of deregelation is now getting it's reward from dereglated market forces and Union busting in the form of low wages, no wages, endless war, the demise of the middle class, a revival of racism, fear, doubt, dread and uncertainty. America has been deficated on by the wealthy wizards they feared, believed in and reverenced; whose royal asses generations of her children have been persuaded to kiss. Behind the curtain? The basest of brutes.
Take a closer look at:
Aaron Russo's "America, FREEDOM TO FASCISM"
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As the quote from his article above show, Grieder correctly doesn't let the lie of a 'two-party' system rest. What will Obama do to enforce antitrust laws, repair the damage of past Democratic presidencies and Congresses in deregulation (including the shameful bankruptcy "reform") and put multi-millionaire corporate stooges like Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi out of power and replace them with real reformers?
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Posted by: Godfather89 on Aug 1, 2008 7:36 AM
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I mean as a government giving money to help big business is dangerous and unlawful. Government can manipulate the business or blackmail the business and as the business become more dependent upon that welfare than what happens, you cant follow your own path but rather what Government says.
Plus it does not help when your money is loosing value as well since your pulling it out of thin air. Eventually the money will be worthless and when it is whats going to happen? You are going to have business closing and government imploding
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Posted by: dogsoldier on Aug 1, 2008 7:54 AM
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There are very few companies that offer pensions. Most of us will live or die with our IRAs and 401Ks. If your fund invests in financial stocks, you are probably a bank stock owner. So it isn't just the rich who will be jabbed; it is all of us.
They was always an "implicit" guarantee the feds would prop the Fred...s up as they pretty much fund the conventional mortgage market. The Fred...s did guarantee bandit loans which makes them partly guilty for the meltdown.
So how about these actions:
Bail them out but demand changes and transparency in the entire banking process so banks who loan risky loans take the hits from now on.
As a matter of fact, add transparency to the financial world. If a company gets caught, the board of directors and CEOs start breaking rocks in the hot sun.
Make savings and loans pay taxes. They are getting so large they have an unfair advantage over banks. They are supposed to be small and community owned. Many are getting into the world of too big to fail.
Stop the myth that is is only fat cats that benefit. We are all in this together.
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Posted by: alturn on Aug 1, 2008 7:55 AM
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The financial house of cards was not created just by Americans. Ruling interests around the world were complicit. Reform likewise will not just be about protecting the interests of the American public, it will necessarily be about moving away from all levels of selfish interest and finding ways to take care of the basic needs of everyday people around the world. The twin interrelated challenge of both economic and environmental implosion will bring this clarity.
It was said, "To make progress man must die to the old. Thus it ever was. So, at this time of change must the old structures be renounced, and simply, must all men share". Sooner or later, we will see the wisdom of that course of action.
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Posted by: Spiritgirl on Aug 1, 2008 8:17 AM
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Exactly, how many more S&L disasters are we the people going to have to pay for before we start to demand both responsibility and accountability from the "Washington club"!
Let's review hard-work = trickle-down, elitist = bail-out with public funds! I'm sure that the founding fathers are sooooo proud! Maybe just as during the depression some of those good ole boys need not get bailed out - then maybe they can really feel the pain experienced by the other 90% of Americans!
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Posted by: Bic Pentameter on Aug 1, 2008 8:17 AM
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Perhaps certain segments of labor went too far in the early 70s. Remember the grievances filed when a supervisor changed a light bulb instead of calling in an off-duty electrician for a minimum 3-hr call in? I had friends and relatives in union positions that felt that some of this was going too far.
As a result, laborers - for a time - lived better than most bank employees, accountants, teachers, etc. In our town the UAW ruled, followed by the teamsters, pipefitters, electricians, etc. How many of you can remember numerous families with two UAW incomes that owned several cars (Vettes and Cadillacs were popular), a house boat, a fishing boat, snowmobiles, jet skis and an RV or customized van? That - for a time - was the holy grail, and available even to those without much education.
We've seen corrections and now over-corrections. The feeding frenzy has now taken back those gains and once again begrudges the common person any real economic benefit. This alone leads to over-production. It's not that there aren't enough consumers, it's that they can't really afford everything the market has to offer.
Sure, we can find ways to acquire - through debt. Through homes, credit cards, gasoline cards, on-line shopping, equity loans, reverse mortgages, over-priced health insurance, etc., we are becoming owned by or obligated to (beyond our ability to redeem) a financial sector so pervasive as to resemble the much-reviled company store of yesteryear.
If a hard day's work earned more than just the cost of living, we could buy our way back to corporate solvency through real production. We'd have to stop begrudging most of the rest of the world that type of purchasing power.
It's not going to work for the money handlers to have all of the wealth. It has to circulate all the way to the bottom and back up. There shouldn't such great fear. Working class people will spend it, if they can earn it.
Smoke 'em if you got 'em!
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Posted by: Lincoln fan on Aug 1, 2008 8:20 AM
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Anyone who thinks that the Democrats are going to do anything differently than the Republicans have done has ignored the evidence f past elections. The Democratic party is very sincere in their "reaching across the aisle" rhetoric for in truth we have only one party. And it's controlled by the monied interests.
I think that the mistake that people make is to try to elect leaders. Every king, emperor, dictator, tyrant, and despot were and are leaders. The purpose of our revolution was to
overthrow leaders and put the leadership in the hands of the people. We don't need leaders in politics, we need executives that know how to do what the people tell them to do. It amazes me that after almost two hundred and fifty years, democracy is still a foreign concept to Americans.
The leadership of the country should exist outside the political system and it does. Every positive movement has been created outside the government. The Magna Carta wasn't the idea of a government ruled by a king. Our revolution wasn't the idea of King George. The union movement, the abolition of slavery, women's suffrage,the civil rights movement, peace with Viet Nam were all the ideas of people outside the government.
There are thousands of times more experts outside of government than there are inside. There are thousands of times more people outside government considering thousands of times as many everyday problems than there are inside. These are the people who should lead.
Our trouble is that the average citizen doesn't think that the average citizen is capable of knowing what's best for his country.
It is time to choose one of two alternatives: go for majority rule or continue with minority rule.
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We firmly believe this debacle is planned to bring the US middle class to its knees and pave the way for the Amero. The control of the megabanks must be eliminated. If only the public will wake up. The problem is that the media is controlled so little real news gets out to alert citizens. Only the internet affords real communication. Have you noticed how almost no issues of substance are even being discussed by the candidates? We are bombarded with trivia in this campaign. Congress never takes up legislation that is needed; they don't even meet regularly. All of this is designed to keep us in ignorance and avoid a revolution. The corruption is everywhere and out of control.
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Posted by: dailyplummet on Aug 1, 2008 10:39 AM
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Do you all realize that the only way for this situation to change is a sort of revolutionary shift in America's governing paradigm? In other words, the social conflict and class warfare underlying these deteriorating economic times is going to get much much uglier -- much more conflicted and violent -- before the sort of "moral awakening" he speaks of will lead to anything approaching real and meaningful change.
And Greider is right that the Dems are just as complicit in constructing this disastrous casino that we still -- in all naivete -- call "the economy." Those who believe real change is coming with a Democratic Congress and an Obama administration need to go into drug rehab. That is because those hopes are based on a fundamental abdication of responsibility: The change won't come from Obama, but from a mass movement of economically disenfranchised people, forcing -- with growing militance -- the reforms and reconstructions he proposes. I simply don't believe most Americans have that sort of courage -- particularly because it will require middle-class people to cast their lot with those who are really coming apart below. And that won't happen because the nation is in a Titanic mentality: dapper upper-crusters in tuxedoes will jump into the lifeboats assigned for women and children. Perhaps they will do so with shamed faces -- but, did shame stop these people when the stakes were a lot lower than today?
We really are seeing 1929 all over again. So hang on to your hats, brothers and sisters, our country is about to slide down into a great big cesspool of poverty and displacement.
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Posted by: opmoc on Aug 1, 2008 10:51 AM
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Its the equivalent - of hoarding all the fresh water - like diverting the natural water flow to enormous great lakes - where the rich can entertain themselves fishing for fresh trout
Whilst denying water to everyone else - so WE can't even grow food or have clean water to drink.
There is no shortage of fresh water on this planet.
And there is no shortage of money
And there is no shortage of energy
Or resources
The elite are trying to impoverish us all and starve us all to death
A weapon of mass destruction
Are we going to let them kill us all?
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STOP the BS and start dragging these bastards into the street and kicking there asses.
We all kno wthe story. Now start some action Jackson!
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Posted by: edgeofnowhere on Aug 1, 2008 11:06 AM
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MMCKINL's post (Putting the "Federal" back in the Federal Reserve") in this thread is most cogent historically. Also, for an excellent and well researched book on this subject, read FINANCIAL RECKONING DAY by William Bonner with Addison Wiggin. So as the "election" of 2008 looms, we can expect to face the consequences of a money supply gone wild. The Rebublocrats are not going to change anything; their "job" is to get their loot out of the country and buy property in Paraguay. But change will come, painful though it may be. As in all financial collapses, the pensions and savings of the citizens will be wiped out and chaos will ensue as the majority of citizens struggle to survive. All the proposed legislative "reforms" will be meaningless and a new medium of exchange will rise to replace the failed toilet paper dollar. Perhaps it will be the Amero, perhaps it will be a redesigned "dollar" with some sort of physical backing. And let us not forget that since we are in a "global" world economy, those countries that hold the paper will suffer great losses as well, perhaps leading to social upheaval the unrest. The time is coming, and it is coming soon. It is a tsunami that cannot be held back or delayed by any of the existing political or financial mechanisms in our system.
What can one do in the face of this looming economic, political and social crisis? First, put whatever toilet paper dollars you have into something of intrinsic value. This could be precious metals, non-perishable commodities such as foodstuffs or -- yes, real toilet paper! Second, try to locate yourself in a rural area with strong community spirit. If you have ties in other countries, you could consider moving abroad, though it is far from certain that the problem would not occur in other countries as well. Third, become as self-sufficient as possible by producing what you can and reducing unnecessary expenditures.
My grandfather, who lived through the Weimar hyperinflation, finally took his 5000 Mark life insurance policy left to him by his father to the store and purchased one kilo of wurst at the height of the madness. "If I had done it a week earlier, I could have had TWO kilos!" he told us.
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Posted by: pirugenia on Aug 1, 2008 11:13 AM
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"Our enemies do not stop thinking of ways to destroy the US, and neither do we"
It was no bushism, he meant it.
Boy do they have us by the gonads.
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Posted by: opmoc on Aug 1, 2008 12:07 PM
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My wife and I come from a very communiy rich part of England - but very poor in terms of material wealth.
Where we come from Lancashire people are just naturally warm and generous to each other.
But we moved to near London for economic reasons more than 25 years ago.
And we speak with these funny Northern accents.
England is rich in Pubs
Pubs are places where anyone can go and talk to people.
So we didn't know anyone in the South of England - and we were just like immigrants from any part of the World.
Sure we both went to work in London at first - and of course work provides at least a kind of community experience.
But it is not enough
You can't just go to work and then come back home to your box - just to go back to work again
So we went to our local pubs when they put on live music bands (our complete passion)
And we didn't just stop there.
We made friends - and asked them back to our house for parties.
As a result we got to know an incredibly large number of people - some of who'm ask us back to their homes for parties.
And some of them - despite the fact that she does her best to hide it from everyone - found out my wife's birthday
And do something quite wonderful for her
That is community
Despite being effective immigrants speaking funny English from a completely different culture - we not only got accepted but loved.
Actually we find that people are much the same all over the World
A genuine smile and interest in people no matter how rich or poor they are - and people are just incredibly generous and nice
Jesus Christ got it right
Their is far more pleasure to be had in giving.
In todays world some people find it so surprising that it completely turns their world around and they start being really nice and generous to others
Try it
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Forgive me this ugly mix of metaphors.
I do think that, if we have to pick one major battle, media regulation is a good one.
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Richard Aberdeen
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are so...
...screwed.
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Posted by: GreyFoxThree on Aug 1, 2008 12:53 PM
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The kids tried to Bully Me
Cos I had a Muscular Problem
What the kids didn't realise that my Muscular Problem only lasted for around 10-20 seconds after a period of relaxation
I always stood up to the Bullies
Sure they sometimes beat me to a bloody mess and My Mum got upset when I came home
But I wouldn't give in
And I always stopped when I knew I had made my point
I didn't want to kill anyone
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I don't really know whether we can survive all this. Countries have fallen from less, many times. But if we are to survive, we need some real leaders to come forward and tell it like it is, not what the polls say we want to hear. And we need to make do with a lower standard of living -- less energy, less stuff, paying down our debts instead of spending more. I hope we can do it.
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Posted by: perkywa on Aug 1, 2008 1:35 PM
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Thomas Jefferson
News Flash: We've been screwed, blued and tattooed by the "private banks" since 1913 when the Private Bankers finally got their "Central Bank" aka the Federal Reserve
Jefferson also predicted that the money power in private hands would lead to endemic WAR. So why aren't these concepts taught in school to every American? Gee...who do you think "engineered" our "education" system?
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Posted by: opmoc on Aug 1, 2008 3:09 PM
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JF Kenney is Based in Houston Texas
We used to do some computing in Fulham, London for an Energy Company based in Houston Texas
They Chose Us Because We Were The Best
Not all Americans are Stupid
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Posted by: Democratic Socialist on Aug 1, 2008 4:44 PM
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In the chart on that page, U-3 is the "official" unemployment rate while U-6 is closer to reality.
After reviewing a lot of data I'd say that umemployment and underemployment hovers closer to 15-20%, with inflation (especially of necessities like food, fuel, housing) rising every day as the FED continues to endlessly print funny-money.
America is entering very dangerous waters (if things get worse we could be on the verge of mass panic) and neither the Democrats or Republicans offer any real solutions. What is to be done?
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Posted by: opmoc on Aug 1, 2008 5:11 PM
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Even The Stuff About Kylie Macgoogle whoever she is
Its just designed to market them
You can Market Music By For Example
THE MUSIC
By any stunt you want.
Publicity works - it keeps the name in the public image
Most of it is completely untrue
Sure they do the walk into the whatever it is whilst the photographers are there to do the job
They are working for the Corporation
EMI or whatever
Wake Up For Fucks Sake
The Mass Media Are Painting You an Image
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Posted by: practical idealist on Aug 1, 2008 5:15 PM
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The End Point and The End Game
Prologue:
With the rise of communist China, the advent of peak oil, and an unresolved economic crisis in the United States, it’s not hard to see that history is at turning point. Peak oil and a foundering economy are threatening challenges. But how should we perceive China? First of all we need to get rid of the communist label. Communism is the end state of historical materialism. The inexorable push of economic determinism that ultimately leads to the collapse of capitalism and then finally to communism—a worker’s utopia.
So better said, China is a nation ruled by Marxists whose mission, towards this end, is to overthrow the existing order by beating us at our game.
Still, for us, history is determined by our free will as we put forward the ideas to meet the challenges that a changing world presents. Yet up to this point we seem to be at loss. And neither Obama nor McCain, as they seek the White House, has presented a clear strategy either for economic recovery or ideological victory. And while we embrace democracy and free markets, ideas that Marxists see as a meaningless reflection of capitalism—brave words in the face of their ultimate demise, they too need an update.
So, given the gravity of these issues it’s best that we consider the worst-case Marxist scenario and then consider the practical idealism that can resolve these challenges.
What does China want?
With the fall of the Soviet Union it was widely believed that we had witnessed the end of history; that is the end of the historical ideological war between democracy and Marxism—the contest that determines the ideal state for humanity. But with the rise of communist China, we are again faced with the historical question: who will be left standing when all is said and done?
This time around it looks like the final battle. And the news from the front isn’t good. Marxist China, simply by opening its trade door to the world’s capitalists has pretty much captured the means of production along with the technology and the wealth and so the wherewithal to build up its military strength. Does this mean that Marxism is set to dominate the world? Not quite. It is not the rise of worldwide communism that China has in mind, but “socialism with Chinese characteristics.” It is China that has captured the means of production and it is China that seeks to dominate the world—to regain their past imperialistic glory and assume their rightful role as rulers of the world. And they intend to do so not by military dominance, but by waging total economic war. A war we are on the verge of losing. And as we lose it, so goes the world. This is China’s end point and end game.
So, before they succeed, we have to get in the game. Not only do we need a vision that pulls our economy out of recession, we also need one that will win the ideological war. That is, we need an end point and end game of our own.
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Posted by: InsertNameHere on Aug 1, 2008 5:24 PM
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But you're fucked.
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Posted by: blogbooks on Aug 1, 2008 8:37 PM
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No hearings? No debate?
Hmm, I wonder why. Could it be that failure of the system is not an option? Could it be that "the system" really is in control of our government? Could it be that the "corporate megastate" already exists?
I answer yes to all of these questions.
See, let me explain to you how it works.
Rich people own everything. The land, the water, the air, and certainly everything man made to include what you think is "your" property.
Via the corporate legal business structure they are removed from all responsibility for what is done in their name and for their benefit. They are just "innocent shareholders" like the rest of us. See, the Walton family isn't responsible for anything Wal-mart does, oh no, they're just investors.
The people that run these corporations at the executive level are incredibly intelligent and motivated individuals. That's why their pay is so outrageously high. These people would run off and start their own businesses if they were not paid a prince's ransom. Further, they are risking a lot for the benefit of the rich people that own the companies they run. Given that we are a culturally corrupt nation of mercenaries that will shoot a stranger in the back for a penny.
As for the rest of us? Useful idiots and sheep. There are a few wolves among the peasantry, yes, and most of them end up in prison...while a few manage to join their brethren at the top.
12-16 years of schools conditions you to sit inside all day doing work you may or may not find interesting for the benefit of others.
The early debt trap locks young people into a life of indentured servitude from which there is no escape.
The "invisible hand" of the free market makes it difficult to survive in just about any labor market as labor out-competes itself for scraps from the master's table. We are only "free" to use our pathetic income in the sheltered sand-box fantasy theme park that is American consumerism.
You really think this beautiful system of invisible hereditary and eternal plutocracy will be allowed to collapse without a fight? Oh no, you will see Washington in ashes before the people that built and maintain this system allow it to fall...
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Posted by: Mister_PsyOps on Aug 1, 2008 8:38 PM
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This is about entrenched organized crime by way of a Fascist CORPORATE MONOPOLY STATE backed by temp political stooges and a sellout MSM .
To put it bluntly, Greider is a well known LIMITED HANGOUT. If he were anything like a real reformer, he would call for the immediate abolition of the "Fed" that has been a ruling class fraud built to soak the middle class and poor from day one.
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Posted by: mike_burns on Aug 2, 2008 8:47 AM
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Posted by: mike montagne on Aug 2, 2008 11:14 AM
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There were many forms of colonial currency. Yes, in certain vital respects, some of those forms were preferable to the privatized form of currency to which we are now subject, and which can only multiply debt in proportion to a vital circulation.
But the solution of all our problems is the real issue; and that solution has existed since 1979 in mathematically perfected economy™. Likewise, we are the original source of invalidations of the gold standard.
Why deviate from solution? Why revert to imperfect scrip, when that would be to suffer problems such as depreciation of the currency? Why advocate a step backward, when we have the proposition of mathematically perfected economy™?
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Posted by: modeler on Aug 2, 2008 5:31 PM
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Posted by: Indiosmith on Aug 3, 2008 4:41 AM
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Recessions are good:
- They force people to trim spending, pay down debt and save
- They discourage lenders from granting loans to un-creditworthy borrowers
- They weed out bad loans through defaults
- They force companies to trim fat and operate efficiently
- They force weak, inefficient companies out of business, freeing up resources for more efficient use
In short, recessions are the market's way of optimizing scarce resource allocation and imposing discipline on an otherwise spendthrift population. This discipline is needed to prevent the accumulation of excessive debt, the unwinding of which has catastrophic consequences in direct proportion to the amount of debt accumulated. Accumulate sufficient debt and Great Depressions result.
The single-most distinctive feature of a Great Depression is "cascading defaults" -- borrowers default causing banks to default on money borrowed from their depositors, who, in turn, then default on their loans to other banks, and so on. The most obvious cause of cascading defaults is excessive debt. The U.S. economy is in trouble precisely because of excessive debt. With most responsible borrowers leveraged to the hilt, lenders eager to keep earning interest on their surplus cash were forced to lend to less credit-worthy borrowers, credit-card abusers and subprime homebuyers. Add into the mix the revocation of the Glass-Steagall Act and usury laws to ramp up the credit machine, and you wind up with record levels of shaky household debt relative to disposable income.
Now the chickens are coming home to roost. Greedy mortgage lenders and the dumb saps on Wall Street they fobbed off their bum loans to are taking massive writeoffs and begging the Fed, the Treasury and foreigners to rescue them with massive cash infusions. "Privatize profits, socialize losses" has become the operative system in America today.
We may be already past the point of no return. The record debt load of American households may be sufficiently burdensome as to cause the cascading defaults prompting another Great Depression.
We would be a lot better off today if Mr. Greenspan had stopped playing rescuer-in-chief during his tenure in office and allowed market forces to bring about periodic, manageable recessions, thereby preventing the record levels of debt now menacing the economy. Better to have suffered a series of manageable, market-induced recessions along the way, than to pursue a policy of "endless prosperity" culminating in a crushing debt load leading to another Great Depression.
For additional commentary, visit www.cassandra-chronicles.com and cassandra-chronicles.blogspot.com
David L. Smith, Editor and Publisher
David L. Smith's Cassandra Chronicles
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Posted by: Raymond Emerson on Aug 3, 2008 11:58 AM
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When Reagan took office he vetoed everything. He vetoed motherhood. He vetoed apple pie. Finally the democrats went to him and asked him what he wanted. He got a big chunk of it. The democrats thought they could just reverse it when he left. They never really got the chance. There were 12 years of Reagan and Bush. Then there was a 24 month window of opportunity when Clinton went in.
During that period there was so much to be done that the Reagan deregualtion did not get reregulated. There seemed to no indication that it was a priority. At the end of that 24 months congress went republican and the following 6 years was one of the right protecting their newfound windows of anarchy. They have now pretty much achieved their goals. They are simple. Anarchy for me. Regulation for you. What are you going to do about it?
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Posted by: pfeifer's day off on Aug 4, 2008 4:43 AM
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So while Newsweek touts our 3 percent annual rate of inflation (5 percent since this spring), the reality is that CPI as it was calculated before the Clinton-era changes went into effect was more than 8 percent last month. And that's not including a whole other set of methodological changes made in 1983 (which I'll get to shortly).
And a change of subject:
As to bringing up the past, we can all revisit other comments and responses-or the lack thereof-by pfiefer999
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Posted by: lizard010 on Aug 4, 2008 9:59 PM
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In Australia over the last 30-40 years we have had a number of nationally significant crashes, we used to bail the companies out (which simply drip feed dying companies).
However public and political opinion has changed over the years based on this experience and now we tend to step back and let them fail. The pain is often short and hard but the longer-term benefits for all have made it worthwhile.
I watch with interest.
P.S. I have been burnt by that pain myself and lived in a community deeply affected by a collapse (read building society mismanagement). Not pleasant but that community is much stronger and resilient today as a result off that collapse than it would have been had a drip feed solution been found.
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Posted by: Dianka on Aug 7, 2008 5:07 PM
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As long as we fail to address both of these things, nothing will change. You can't build a house (or a national economy) on a crumbling foundation.
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Posted by: MTguy on Aug 8, 2008 9:29 AM
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Example: who do lobbyists represent and what is the level of power they wield in DC?
Did NAFTA, Free Trade Agreements, and globalization benefit anybody in the US other than stockholders in corporations?
Some of the other posts are very interesting. This country was founded partially on a tax revolt, and it may take a similar "revolution" to turn things around this time. I'd have to say that Wall Street and its connection to Washington, DC, is out of control.
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