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How to Survive the Triple Whammy of Energy, Food and Climate Crises
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Gas prices are above $4 a gallon; global food prices surged 39% last year; and an environmental disaster looms as carbon emissions continue to spiral upward. The global economy appears on the verge of a TKO, a triple whammy from energy, agriculture, and climate-change trends. Right now you may be grumbling about the extra bucks you're shelling out at the pump and the grocery store; but, unless policymakers begin to address all three of these trends as one major crisis, it could get a whole lot worse.
Just ask the North Koreans.
In the 1990s, North Korea was the world's canary. The famine that killed as much as 10% of the North Korean population in those years was, it turns out, a harbinger of the crisis that now grips the globe -- though few saw it that way at the time.
That small Northeast Asian land, one of the last putatively communist countries on the planet, faced the same three converging factors as we do now -- escalating energy prices, a reduction in food supplies, and impending environmental catastrophe. At the time, of course, all the knowing analysts and pundits dismissed what was happening in that country as the inevitable breakdown of an archaic economic system presided over by a crackpot dictator.
They were wrong. The collapse of North Korean agriculture in the 1990s was not the result of backwardness. In fact, North Korea boasted one of the most mechanized agricultures in Asia. Despite claims of self-sufficiency, the North Koreans were actually heavily dependent on cheap fuel imports. (Does that already ring a bell?) In their case, the heavily subsidized energy came from Russia and China, and it helped keep North Korea's battalion of tractors operating. It also meant that North Korea was able to go through fertilizer, a petroleum product, at one of the world's highest rates. When the Soviets and Chinese stopped subsidizing those energy imports in the late 1980s and international energy rates became the norm for them, too, the North Koreans had a rude awakening.
Like the globe as a whole, North Korea does not have a great deal of arable land -- it can grow food on only about 14% of its territory. (The comparable global figure for arable land is about 13%.) With heavy applications of fertilizer and pesticides, North Koreans coaxed a lot of food out of a little land. By the 1980s, however, the soil was exhausted, and agricultural production was declining. So spiking energy prices hit an economy already in crisis. Desperate to grow more food, the North Korean government instructed farmers to cut down trees, stripping hillsides to bring more land into cultivation.
Big mistake. When heavy rains hit in 1995, this dragooning of marginal lands into agricultural production only amplified the national disaster. The resulting flooding damaged more than 40% of the country's rice paddy fields. Torrential rains washed away topsoil, while rocks and sand, dislodged from hillsides, ruined low-lying fields. The rigid economic structures in North Korea were unable to cope with the triple assault of bad weather, soaring energy, and declining food production. Nor did dictator Kim Jong Il's political decisions make things any better.
But the peculiarities of North Korea's political economy did not cause the devastating famine that followed. Highly centralized planning and pretensions to self-reliance only made the country prematurely vulnerable to trends now affecting the rest of the planet.
As with the North Koreans, our dependency on relatively cheap energy to run our industrialized agriculture and our smokestack industries is now mixing lethally with food shortages and the beginnings of climate overload, pushing us all toward the precipice. In the short term, we face a food crisis and an energy crisis. Over the longer term, this is certain to expand into a much larger climate crisis. No magic wand, whether biofuels, genetically modified organisms (GMO), or geoengineering, can make the ogres disappear.
After the attacks of September 11, 2001, "We are all Americans" briefly became a popular expression of solidarity around the world. If we don't devise policy choices that address energy, agriculture, and climate, while replacing the idolatry of unrestrained growth at the heart of both capitalist and communist economies, the tagline for the 21st century may be: "We are all North Koreans."
Through a Glass Darkly
For years, development experts have bemoaned the declining terms of trade that have kept some developing countries, and most poor farmers, mired in poverty. With the exception of the first energy crisis era in the 1970s, between the end of World War II and 2006, food prices never stopped sinking in relation to manufactured goods. Lower food prices are generally a boon for consumers. But they are devastating for the small farmers who make up the vast majority of the world's poor.
However, over the past three years, according to the World Bank, food prices have increased 83%. That may be only an annoyance for wealthy shoppers, but for the poor, who often devote more than 50% of their incomes to feeding their families, such staggering rises can be the difference between life and death.
There are a number of reasons for this recent spike. The price of oil, now near $140 a barrel, has certainly played a crucial role in this, both by driving inflation generally and because of its importance to modern, large-scale agriculture. So has the recent allocation of ever more agricultural land to biofuel production. U.S. farmers, responsible for 70% of all world corn exports, now dispatch one-fifth of their corn to ethanol production, which has had the effect of nearly doubling the price of corn.
Global warming, too, has had an impact. Drought in Australia and the eastern United States, severe flooding in China and Bangladesh, rising ocean levels and fresh water shortages throughout the world are all thought to be related to climate change, though climate scientists cannot prove that any given weather anomaly is caused by global warming. Climate scientists can be fuzzy this way about causality in the short term. Paradoxically, however, they often see the future more clearly. For instance, the top global food policy think-tank, International Food Policy Research Institute (IFPRI), predicts that global warming will be responsible for a 16% decrease in agricultural gross domestic product globally by 2020. The Center for Global Development argues that developing countries, in particular, will be hit hard by climate change: By 2080, India, its report argues, will see a staggering 30-40% drop in agricultural production and Senegal will plummet 50%.
In the United States, a much-anticipated, Bush-administration-delayed federal study foresees water shortages, more herbicide-resistant weeds, and more insect infestations as a result of climbing temperatures. The present food crisis, concludes Joachim von Braun of the IFPRI, "foreshadows what climate change will bring us."
The other major driver of food price increases is certainly rising income levels in key developing countries. With more income, people can, of course, eat more, and eat higher off the hog -- or, put another way, they can eat hog in the first place, rather than the lentils or cassava on which they were subsisting.
Over a decade ago, Lester Brown, the founder of World Watch, suggested that just such a crisis was on the way. He asked whether the world could possibly produce enough grain to feed a more prosperous China. Now, growing middle classes in China and India, the world's most populous countries, are, just as he predicted, changing their eating habits and consuming more meat (and so, indirectly, a great deal more grain, which is used to feed the animals they are now cooking).
Lester Brown was ahead of the curve, but there were ample warning signs of an impending food crisis for those ready to see them. Oil prices have been steadily increasing since 2004 as a result of rising demand. They have been helped along greatly by growing chaos in the Middle East, fed by the Bush administration's foolhardy invasion of Iraq.
Like the North Koreans, we, too, have been trying to squeeze more food out of a limited amount of land: arable land per capita is declining at a steady rate. Falling water tables and dry rivers -- think climate change again -- have no less surely pointed to a coming crunch for farmers dependent on irrigation. And don't forget: Critics of biofuels warned time and again that there wasn't enough elasticity in the food supply to take food out of the mouths of people in the Global South in order to fill the gas tanks of the Global North.
Back in the early 1990s, the North Korean leadership failed to grasp the correlation between rising oil prices, declining food stocks, and environmental stresses -- and the political pundits and politicians of the planet conveniently wrote off the resulting catastrophe as uniquely the fault of the world's weirdest country. Instead of taking a timely hint, wealthier governments simply shrugged off the warnings of scientists, development professionals, and energy specialists about future crises.
Responding to Riots
There's nothing like a food riot, however, to get wealthy governments to sit up and take notice. Humanitarian organizations and aid officials may be concerned about people quietly starving to death in remote locations, but only when world security suddenly seems threatened and governments totter do rising food prices translate into a full-blown crisis. Washington, for example, woke up when riots broke out in Egypt, Haiti, and Indonesia, and the militaries in Pakistan and Thailand intervened to protect crops and storage facilities.
In response to the sudden crisis splatting on the global windshield, the United Nations food aid agency, the World Food Program, called for $755 million in emergency contributions. Saudi Arabia, its coffers flooded with oil profits, promptly promised $500 million. The World Bank then announced that it was increasing its overall support of global agriculture by $2 billion in 2009, while Washington offered $5 billion in food aid over the next two years.
Such an emergency response may, indeed, be necessary, but it is also distinctly inadequate. The Director-General of the U.N.'s Food and Agricultural Organization, Jacques Diouf, has called for a minimum of $30 billion a year for a global agricultural restructuring. It's not at all clear who will pony up such sums, which, in any case, will be too late for countries like Haiti whose subsistence farmers needed help before their most recent growing seasons started. Most importantly, though, as an approach, it's too conventional and, in the long run, bound to fail.
After all, the wealthiest countries continue to show little or no interest in altering the policies that have contributed so decisively to the food crisis in the first place. Take the United States. It "ties" -- places restrictions on -- about 70% of its aid. That means recipient countries must use that aid to buy U.S. products, which, of course, will do little to strengthen local economies. Washington has also cut its international agricultural research by as much as 75% at a time when agricultural production is no longer keeping pace with population increases. Add in the $280 billion farm bill that Congress has just passed which, unbelievably enough, provides continued subsidies to "farmers" (read: agribusiness) already benefiting enormously from high food prices. And the European Union, like the United States, is refusing to backtrack on its commitment to boost biofuels produced from grain.
Nor is there much hope for a new Green Revolution. While the campaign to disseminate modern, industrial agricultural techniques that began in the 1960s did increase food production, rural poverty in the developing world remained endemic (which is why the current food crisis is so devastating to subsistence farmers). Today, a repetition of that Revolution's combo of hybrid seeds, intensive irrigation, and the heavy application of petroleum-based fertilizers holds little promise.
Water is scarcer. Oil (and thus fertilizer) is considerably more expensive. The promised next stage of the Green Revolution, the application of biotech advances through genetically modified organisms to produce new, high-yield, insect-resistant crops, generally hasn't lived up to its hype in the developing world.
Yet Western seed companies are taking advantage of the crisis to tout this particular high-tech solution. Oddly enough, all this is depressingly reminiscent of the North Korean leadership's fascination with quick fixes in the 1990s. North Korean leader Kim Jong-Il, for instance, touted potatoes as a miracle crop, but the True Potato Seed project sponsored by the U.S. government never panned out. Giant rabbits produced by a German breeder as a newfangled North Korean livestock were a dead-end, probably because the animals themselves consumed as much food as they ultimately yielded. A variety of high-yield "supercorn" hasn't yet revolutionized North Korean agriculture. Neither in North Korea nor in the world at large has anyone yet figured out a technical shortcut to permanent cornucopia.
Markets to the Rescue?
Perhaps the most conventional approach to the crisis has been to rely on market mechanisms. Consider the International Food Policy Research Institute, a product of the Green Revolution and its leading booster, and its eight-point plan for solving the crisis. Several of the steps are eminently sensible, such as expanding humanitarian assistance to food-challenged countries, reversing biofuel policies, and investing in social programs such as school feeding programs and health care. In the mix, however, are more of the same old market mantras. IFPRI recommends, for instance, the elimination of the export bans which 40 countries, including India and Indonesia, recently implemented to keep food from flowing out of the country through trade. And it has tried to revive a dead horse by urging further World Trade Organization (WTO) negotiations to reduce barriers to global trade in agricultural products.
Pundits and policymakers addressing food problems have called for the elimination of government regulations and tariffs ever since England repealed its Corn Laws in the 1840s. In the last quarter century, the removal of trade restrictions of every sort facilitated greater agricultural production globally. Free trade helped large producers grow more and sell it cheaper abroad. But free trade hasn't helped the rural poor -- or poor countries.
Quite the opposite. The increased concentration of corporate farming and the dismantling of state programs that sustained the agricultural sector have driven small farmers out of business all over the planet, while making many of those who remain ever more dependent on expensive chemical pesticides, fertilizer, and seeds. For instance, as a result of the North American Free Trade Agreement, Mexico lost 1.3 million agricultural jobs, forcing many desperate small farmers to cross into the United States as migrant workers. Even more strikingly, the continent of Africa went from a net exporter of food in the late 1960s to a net importer today -- thanks to the World Bank and the WTO riding roughshod through the continent in the same cavalry unit as the four horsemen of the apocalypse. The Bank's "structural adjustment programs" and the WTO's "tariff reductions" don't quite have the ring of war, pestilence, famine, and death, but they have been just as devastating.
The quest for perfect markets usually conceals a global shell game in which wealth is redistributed from the many to the few. To even the playing field that markets constantly tilt in favor of the powerful, and to direct funds toward environmental sustainability, governments need to intervene in the economy.
After all, private enterprise is not going to invest in the large-scale improvement of rural infrastructure -- the capital costs are high and profit margins far too low. More controversially, developing countries may need to maintain, or even reestablish, tariffs and subsidies to protect local producers. Since it is both sold and consumed, food should be considered a strategic resource, a matter of national security. It should be left out of trade negotiations in the same way that the "national security exception" allows governments to subsidize and protect their military industries as they please.
On Being Canaries
Any response that doesn't address all three converging trends -- rising energy costs, stagnant per-capita agricultural production, and climate change -- will ultimately fail, just as it did in North Korea in the early 1990s. Land, energy, and the biosphere are limited resources. And it's not only a peak in oil that we may be approaching. The depletion of oil resources and the urgent need to reduce carbon emissions from their current levels have at least entered mainstream discussion. Less well known, however, are the problems of peak land and peak water.
The last time food prices shot up, in the 1970s, the U.S. response was to put more land into agricultural production. This was the infamous "fencerow-to-fencerow" policy of Secretary of Agriculture Earl Butz that Michael Pollan, author of The Omnivore's Dilemma, has linked to the glut of corn -- and corn syrup -- that has so profoundly affected global diets. But re-Butzing American agriculture is no longer an option. "For the first time in our history, we're pushing up against the edge in terms of quality land," says Otto Doering, a professor of agricultural economics at Purdue University. " "We're in a somewhat fixed box."
The same applies to the world at large. Although rainforests are still being transformed into farming plots and pasture -- only increasing carbon emissions into the atmosphere -- humanity is reaching the limits of arable land. Chalk it up to urbanization, climate change-caused drought, and a loss of soil fertility through the application of too much fertilizer. Whether forest or farmland, we are losing productive land at a rate of one hectare every 7.67 seconds. Sure, there's some wiggle room in Africa and Latin America, but bringing this additional land into cultivation will buy us only a little time -- at the expense of the overall environment.
The water situation is even more precarious. The world is facing a declining reserve of fresh water with the depletion of underground reserves in India, China, Africa, and even the United States. (Say goodbye to the Midwest's mighty Ogallala aquifer, which nourishes America's breadbasket). Aside from the 1.1 billion people who already lack safe drinking water, according to the U.N., this crisis threatens farming, which monopolizes 70% of all fresh water.
Global temperature increases will only aggravate the situation. Rising oceans will inflict death-by-salt on increasing amounts of low-lying farmland, while drought dries up once fertile farming regions. Any intensification of the Green Revolution, dependent as it is on chemical fertilizer and irrigation, is only likely to add to the problem. And don't count on the oceans to offset the food that will no longer be grown on land. The catch of wild fish has remained pretty much the same since the mid-1980s, and fish farming, too, requires land, water, and energy.
In the long run, the only realistic response is a comprehensive program to address, in tandem, the triple crises of energy, climate, and land and water resource exhaustion. If policymakers take into consideration only one, or even two, of the components of this trinity, they may well end up doing more harm than good. The making of biofuels from corn, for instance, was an attempt to address the problems of the cost of energy and the dangers of climate change, but it neglected to consider the effect on agricultural production -- hence, the disastrously soaring price of corn. Calls for the next phase of a Green Revolution, which address agricultural production, are guaranteed to play havoc with the energy and water crises.
Such partial approaches don't work largely because they assume unlimited resources. The original sin of unrestrained growth can be found in the economic theologies of both communism and capitalism. In these systems, neither the state nor the market has ever operated according to ecological principles. Now, we must quickly explore ways of boosting agricultural production in fundamentally sustainable ways without, somehow, expanding our carbon footprint.
Certainly organic farming will play a role here. Although Green Revolution guru Norman Borlaug has dismissed organic agriculture as incapable of feeding the world, an important new study published by Cambridge University Press shows that organic systems in developing countries can produce 80% more than conventional farms.
Integrated farming systems that rely on sustainable energy -- solar, wind, tidal -- will also be critical. No-till agriculture can cut down on energy use and soil erosion.
While properly wary of snake-oil salesmen, neither can we afford to be Luddites. New technologies will play a role as well, as long as they reduce fertilizer and pesticide use, don't shackle debt-ridden farmers to major seed companies, and meet strict consumer safety requirements.
Even if global food prices stabilize this year and projections of a record grain harvest hold, the underlying problems will remain.
So it was with North Korea. With emergency assistance, the country pulled back from the brink by 2000. In 2008, however, it is again in a serious food crisis, thanks to high energy prices, flooding, and a shortfall in last year's grain harvest. Once again, North Korea is the world's canary. As we sit in the dark in the deep hole that we've dug for ourselves, will we finally heed its warning?
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Posted by: dobermanmacleod on Aug 5, 2008 1:16 AM
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Peak oil can be overcome with 4th generation fuel production which converts CO2 into fuel biologically by maximizing methanogenesis using a GMO. Furthermore, not only land but ocean can be maximized for food production using GMOs. Finally, the excess greenhouse gas can be removed from the air using GMOs.
Ultimately the one crisis is time. Currently we have an energy infrastructure dangerously dependent upon the burning of fossil fuels, and a food infrastructure dangerous dependent upon arable land, a favorable climate, and diminishing oil. It will take time to revamp our energy and food infrastructure, but we don't have that time:
"Few seem to realise that the present IPCC models predict almost unanimously that by 2040 the average summer in Europe will be as hot as the summer of 2003 when over 30,000 died from heat. By then we may cool ourselves with air conditioning and learn to live in a climate no worse than that of Baghdad now. But without extensive irrigation the plants will die and both farming and natural ecosystems will be replaced by scrub and desert. What will there be to eat? The same dire changes will affect the rest of the world and I can envisage Americans migrating into Canada and the Chinese into Siberia but there may be little food for any of them." --Dr James Lovelock's lecture to the Royal Society, 29 Oct. '07
As ecosystems rapidly collapse, civil unrest and war will stifle technological progress. Worse, the dark side of cosmopolitan genomic technology is individuals can now construct highly contagious and extremely lethal pathogens to use for bioterrorist pandemics.
Ultimately, we only have one crisis: the clock is running out to change our energy and food infrastructure before chaos ushers in a mass extinction and the end of civilization. www.myspace.com/dobermanmacleod
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» There is never enough time. I'm 73. Trust me when I say, "Enjoy it while you can!"
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Posted by: mmckinl on Aug 5, 2008 1:36 AM
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Unfortunately the current two frontrunners won't even mention the biggest heist of tax payers money in history, the bailout of bankers over their sub prime crisis.
Neither of the two mentions peak oil or peak anything for that matter. McCain offers the false hope of drilling and Obama falls for the bait.
Neither of the two will discuss the disaster that ethanol has inflicted on food stocks or the land and water.
McCain's programs are a disaster and Obama's aren't much better. I don't see much hope ahead. It will take real suffering to get anything done and by then we may have resorted to a police state just to keep order.
have a nice day ...
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» You've hit the nail on the head
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Posted by: Dboy on Aug 5, 2008 1:37 AM
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In my opinion, the failure here is not in biotechnology, but in the business model. "RoundupReady", for instance, is designed to benefit Monsanto, not it's customers. Monsanto is a chemical company who saw the dollar signs and transformed itself into a seed company..but it kept it's chemical company mentality. They sell "RoundupReady" brand seed so they can sell RoundUp, NOT so they can feed anyone. Indian farmers have been committing suicide in alarming numbers the past few seasons...since they were sold on the "miracle" Monsanto product line. And when they kill themselves (due to their hopeless debt burden) they often do it by drinking Monsanto's pesticide.
We need small co-op biotech projects, where genetic designers are rewarded for creating productive crops without the corporate context. The GM technology itself is not evil, it's the way it can be used to control food supplies that IS evil. But there is another way. We need good seed that is free of intellectual property restraints and free of copy-protection. It worked with Linux, it can work with biotech.
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» REindiaN FARMERS ARE DYING BECAUSE OF AMERICAN AGENT MNAMOHAN SINGH IMPOSED AS PRIME MINISTER.
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» manmohan singh an american agent installed as PM of India without being elected.
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Posted by: Bobsays on Aug 5, 2008 3:09 AM
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Think about this: you can reduce yourself to a quavering wretch on the street consuming nothing more than a bowl of rice a day, but it won't make a damn difference if people in China and India are buying condos and buying flat screen TVs. So, clearly feeling guilty and trying to negate yourself is not a good strategy. Much better to just change your life to a healthy life. That would be the CHANGE.
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» I have a bike, I know how to cook - that's NOT ENOUGH :(
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Posted by: Last Chance on Aug 5, 2008 3:19 AM
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As everywhere else, overpopulation is the primary cause of such disasters. Here in the USA and around the World the symptoms are obvious - greed for ever-growing wealth and power is exhausting the land's natural capacity, so the demand for oil keeps growing with the growing population = higher prices for diminishing supplies.
But will the governments support family planning programs? Nah! A growing economy is a healthy economy and it needs a growing population, period - and that stubborn myopia is now collapsing the U.S. economy and plunging everyone into social chaos that gets worse every day.
Apparently, life on Earth is little more than a growing mass of competing appetites crawling over each other to get on top of the heap, regardless of warnings from the few who dare to think beyond their desires.
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» Hello out there in space, who is this friend with five children?
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» No, population is merely a symptom
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» Far from nobody talking about it, it comes up in every single discussion...
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» Enough land in Texas to house everyone.
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Posted by: Iconoclast421 on Aug 5, 2008 5:48 AM
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Plus, the US has to be able to outsource its pollution somewhere...
But anyway, what does that have to do with what's going on here? The US is being destroyed by mass delusion and psychosis brought on by over-exposure to the death ray we like to call television. The minds of Americans are almost completely controlled by a handful of elite occultists bent on killing 95% of the world's population. And no one really seems to care. So get your marshmallows ready.
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Posted by: Purple Girl on Aug 5, 2008 5:51 AM
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Next of course comes Gov't- the Other horse & Rider who loves the 'Us & Them' theology laid down and justified by the Grand daddy.Hates to giv emoney to the Poor, but will BailOut their Cohort of industry without any moral conflict concern- Industries can't be Sinners, Only people Right? So by helping those nations who's people have proven they are 'Blessed' and ignoring those who are suffering, We maintain our 'non Compete clause'- so Give Israel a few more Billion and turn a blind eye (or throw crumbs at ) Darfur.
Industry- also has mechanisms which can assure those being 'punished' are not assisted.god Blessed some M.E Countries with Oil- a gift from God, Others were not. so to reconfirm our committment to adhering to the 'Rules' -Industry sends their tools over to Help the Rich get richer off their gift- Saudi Arabia, Kuwait... Iraq, Iran. They have used their 'gold from the Gods' correctly- sending such rewards to the unworthy countries like China, Russia, North Korea-'Godless People'. along with perpetuating Our pre ordained Right as the 'Blessed' with further Wealth.
Fourth crusader....The mass Media, the Propagandists, the mouthpiece of the Deception.
"Freedom Fighters or Terrorists"?, Extremeists or Religious Conservatives, the Poor or 'Welfare mothers'. Who finds and uses Just the right terms to paint the picture, to set the tone, to justify the actions and inactions. Who chooses what to report, how and more importantly what Not to report.Consider the lack of real reporting on Iraq, Aghanistan, Darfur,. Why are 'News' shows and 'Current event' shows only filled with various'Talking point' pundits and no true experts on the subject? stratedgically scripted.
So those suffering are Sinners, and are being punished and have a pre ordained lot in life- per gods Great Design. The job of the Gov't, Industry and media is to reward the 'Blessed' , help facilitate it's continued reign and keep the Hedons in their place.
Oh and add to that the idea that a 'Savior ' will come when all hell breaks out, and the 'blessed ' will be rewared and be placed high above the unworthy in heaven (Raptured), and working towards 'End of Days' is a Mission Statement, the Big pay off for all their 'Toils', assistance and compliance to God's Design and pre destine Judgements/punishments.
Remeber AIDS Tx's wouldn't work in Africa because the people wouldn't understand Time??? Which Continent did mankind orginate from, which group of man first developed time keeping mechanizisms- seasons changes, animal migrations? and they couldn't tell the time of day because they didn't have a Timex???
so when contempting the interrelatedness of Resources (gifts) and the disregard for the innate Responsilbity of our Species...You must being with the Philosophy which perpetuates the problem and Condones it. Apparently 'god' only has a limited number of seats for the 'Blessed'.And all the major Religions are the only ones allowed to play this 'Musical Chairs'.
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Posted by: Spiritgirl on Aug 5, 2008 6:05 AM
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U.S. farmers bought into technology making life easier. Farm policy in this country (a taboo subject) also needs to be changed to stop paying farmers for not farming land. For land that isn't farmed how about we pay for the use of wind mills or solar panels? How about cattle and sheep ranchers utilize nature instead of hormones and "feed"? How about diverting money from the military-industrial-complex and put some of that money into research and development of alternatives? Energy policy needs to be more sound and reasonable, less about the bottom line.
I read somewhere that each generation of Americans always strives to leave their children with a better future. Will future generations look back and damn us for the legacy of food shortages, bad air, and the gas masks that they wear, that we have left them? Will they think about how selfish and lazy we were, and how when we really needed to come up with concrete, comprehensive policies we failed them miserably?
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Posted by: williameon on Aug 5, 2008 6:36 AM
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Let’s move forward.
Cut the cord!
KICK OIL!
Go around the oil pushers and
Create a new rational, model society to strive for.
Reaffirm our positive progressive Goals and Ideals.
All for one and one for all!
Become self sufficient and self reliant.
The Corpirate System is imploding,
From the weight of its own selfishness and GREED.
STAND BACK 500 FEET!
Start over with a clean slate
Take the best of what we know and move forward.
These simple procedures will soften the effects of the coming Global economic melt down.
What can save us?
The Local Revolution
Organic Foods
Green Energy
Local manufacturing
Health Care
Indie Media and
Self sufficiency.
Produce what we need as close to the point of consumption as possible.
Put people back to work rebuilding America!
Fresh is better.
Local is better.
Plow our money into our friends and families pockets instead of some stranger’s overseas.
A Renaissance is in order
The Greening of America
Get the Oil Monkey off your back and find freedom.
Shut off The Indoctrination Set
Stop the Homogenization of life to the Lowest Common Denominator:
GREED
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Posted by: Gravitas on Aug 5, 2008 6:39 AM
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But I think population control should come at both ends. Because of pharma marketing, we have become a nation obsessed with eeking out every last millisecond of life. I think that push should be stopped. If you want to fine, but for many people longevity is not a priority. Those people should not be forced or pressured into a lifestyle they don't want for more time at the end that doesn't matter to them. Is it really a tragedy if 70 year old dies? If they were born at the turn of the 20th century, their lifespan might have been much shorter than that. Instead of looking at how much we gained, we are crying about the few hypothetical years they lost. And what is so wrong about making a graceful exit while you are still relatively healthy instead of clinging till you hit decay? Don't get me wrong. I am not saying we should start rationing health care for seniors. But plenty of people already feel the way I do. Leave them alone and realize that in the long run, they may be benefiting the planet.
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Posted by: maxpayne on Aug 5, 2008 7:10 AM
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Zoning laws? Hint: Do a google search for
"zoning laws" solar wind
food processing? Hint: Do a google search for
"corn fed" "grass fed"
Also, corn-fed products will make you more hungry especially if they contain High Fructose Corn Syrup whereas its traditional counterparts will keep you healthy.
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Posted by: jeffrey7 on Aug 5, 2008 7:17 AM
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They hold up wind and solar with the pharse, "It won't meet our needs." BULLSHIT!!!
Done correctly wind and solar can give us nearly 80% of our power needs. We've been able to make cellulose fuels for more than a hundred years,that's where diesel fuel originally came from,now they force a lie on us that it's nearing development. Truthfully,they just figured out how to make it expensive. Just to hold up development.
Food?? Come on,all we need to do is eliminate some of the feed cattle ranches and pork farms and we'd have the crop land and the water resources to feed millions,hundreds of millions instead of just a few.
Climate...well that's going to take some serious effort on all our parts,yes, even the the yahoos that control our government.
Firstly convert to biodiesel for trains,trucks and buses. Ban coal burning,no grandfather clauses,no special permits. Coal is responsible for not just acid rain that eats your lawn furniture but also vast amounts of mercury. A substance that can cause mental defects like bi-polar mania,autisim and chronic
depression. Not to mention anueurisms,tumors,MS
and lupis. One of the fastest ways to clean the atmosphere is ti use 'Air-powered cars' for city driving. They do highway speeds and exhaust pure air.Plant more trees. Make laws that every housing development has to have a minimum of two trees per lot. In big cities there's a flowering vine that won't hurt masonary,grow to 60 ft. in height and provide much needed 'green space' to clean inner city air and lower heat indexes. Retrofit all tall buildings with wind generators to take advantage of constant wind above 100 ft.
This bullshit of telling us we're nearing destroying ourselves over Energy, Food and Climate represents a scare tactis perpetrated by BOTH Party's to keep our attention off the fact that neither Party will do anything diffrent. They will still be the same controlled psychophants they always were and the People will always be their fodder for the machine. Look beyond the haze that's campaign spin and you'll see the truth. That both candidates represent a huge steaming pile of monkey crap these jabronies think passes for a platform.
Draft-Elect Jeffrey7 for Prez '08
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Posted by: Peak Shrink on Aug 5, 2008 7:28 AM
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Energy depletion? Climate Change? Skyrocketing food prices? If you want to do something, dig up a lawn and plant food; buy from a local farmer via Community Supported Agriculture, eat only in season and within 100 miles of your home (or a 90%/10% if you must) and learn to put up at least some of your food for the winter months. We'll need a heck of a lot more farmers in the future, who can grow food without pesticides or fertilizers. We'll start to make progress when we start turning around those massive farmland-turned-suburbs that are emptying out, into suburbs-turned-farms.
We’ll need 50 million new farmers, according to Richard Heinberg, and assuming farmers need to be as fit as military personnel, we have about 60 million people aged 18-49 here in the USA, eligible for fighting. Alas, war is just more profitable...
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Posted by: Vic Fedorov on Aug 5, 2008 7:33 AM
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It also involves free assembly. When the tenth amendment encourages and enforces excercising powers by the people they mean the people in free assembly. Free assembly is local, empowered, free, assembly deciding and discussing local issues: and voice votes and consensus of people present at the free assembly.
Thus a great many of our state constitutions that create local officialdom are in violation of the federal law.
Currently, in many places, powers not given to the federal government are excercised by local officials who are neither the state, nor the people.
Thus the whole dialogue of what we want at a local level is subsumed by the few deciding for the many. And this is illegal and illogical. For representative government, expediently, makes sense at a federal and state level but is never intended by constitutional democracy to retard our people and polity at a local level.
The regulation of our lives by school is done locally. The regulation of our lives by our economy is done with an abscence of discussion locally. The federal government only has a few powers. There is no mention of mayors and councilpersons in the federal constitution.
If local free assemblies were wisely promoted and practiced, the economy could be talked about. The economy is what most needs talking about because it is a very wasteful one, with a bottom line of many unproductive jobs, commutes, and lack of discussion by the people.
If people discussed what they wanted from society, they would want a more agrarian society, less of a birthrate, no unproductive jobs, more time, greater consideration of how to treat children... all sorts of things.
And you wouldn't have the waste that exists now in an economy that is undiscussed because the number one things local free assemblies should discuss, the economy and the way we raise our kids: two suprastructures regulating the people, rather than being regulated by the people.
This is why we left the state of nature. To discuss what we want as a community: To talk about making our locality as self-sustaining as possible, to create a wise local society, to ask each other what we want. And there is a law that forbids the usurpation of this dialogue by local officials deciding and setting the agenda for the many. And the law of Free Assembly implies the same.
And we wouldn't want this bogus economy, but there are no free assemblies where this is ascertained, and a few local inhibited officials dominate the decision making process and agenda.
I'm always amazed why I see so few alternet articles on the outrageous destruction of forest and farmland for unconsidered population growth, which the people always seem to be against. For is you look at the laws of the tenth amendment you quickly see that anything built approved by local officials was built illegally.
Wise local free assemblies is the constitutional democratic way to reduce energy waste by discussing unnecessary jobs and commutes, encourage greenness, and return to a more blessed agrarian society.
So complaining about the way things are, when we should be learning and enforcing our own constitution....the latter is forward-looking and constructive.
And if there is no refutation of this interpretation of law, there must beconsensus that it is true. Consensus should manifest itself.
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Half the water consumed in the U.S. goes to irrigate land growing feed and fodder for livestock. Huge amounts of water are also used to wash away their excrement. U.S. livestock produce twenty times as much excrement as does the entire human population; creating sewage which is ten to several hundred times more concentrated than raw domestic sewage. Animal wastes cause ten times more water pollution than does the U.S. human population; the meat industry causes three times as much harmful organic water pollution than the rest of the nation's industries combined. Meat producers are the number one industrial polluters in our nation, contributing to half the water pollution in the United States.
The number of animals killed for food in the United States is 70 times larger than the number of animals killed in laboratories, 30 times larger than the number killed by hunters and trappers, and 500 times larger than the number of animals killed in pounds. If Americans reduced their meat consumption by just 10 percent, it would release enough grain and soybeans to feed over 60 million people.
Many on the Left are beginning to take a stand in favor of animal rights. Joanna Macy spoke at the San Francisco Green Festival, in November 2005. In his 1990 updated and revised edition of Animal Liberation, Australian philosopher Peter Singer writes that many of the political parties leaning towards the "Green" end of the political spectrum in Europe were beginning to oppose animal experimentation.
John Robbins elaborated further on the economic waste of raising animals for food in May All Be Fed, which my brother gave me for Christmas in 1992. Oxfam, the international charity, reports that in Mexico, 80 percent of the children in rural areas are undernourished, yet the livestock are fed more grain than the human population eats! Meat consumption in Taiwan increased 600 percent between 1950 and 1990. In 1950, Taiwan was a grain exporter; in 1990 the nation imported, mostly for feed, 74 percent of the grain it used. Twenty-five years ago, Syria was a barley exporter. But in the intervening years, livestock have consumed increasing amounts of the country's grain. Now, despite a phenomenal 1000 percent increase in the land area devoted to producing barley, Syria must import the cereal.
John Robbins spoke before the United Nations in 1994, where he received a standing ovation.
I had the opportunity to hear John Robbins speak at a Unitarian church here in Oakland several years ago. The church was PACKED! John writes in The Food Revolution (2001):
"The revolution sweeping our relationship to our food and our world, I believe, is part of an historical imperative. This is what happens when the human spirit is activated. One hundred and fifty years ago, slavery was legal in the United States. One hundred years ago, women could not vote in most states. Eighty years ago, there were no laws in the United States against any form of child abuse. Fifty years ago, we had no Civil Rights Act, no Clean Air or Clean Water legislation, no Endangered Species Act. Today, millions of people are refusing to buy clothes and shoes made in sweatshops and are seeking to live healthier and more Earth-friendly lifestyles. In the last fifteen years alone, as people in the United States have realized how cruelly veal calves are treated, veal consumption has dropped 62 percent."
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Posted by: david.model@senecac.on.ca on Aug 5, 2008 8:53 AM
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Using technology to attempt to solve these problems while maintaining the same lifestyle is an insane notion that ignores the inevitable side effects of new technologies, the accelerating demand for applying these new technologies and the ultimate depletion of resources.
In addition to these problems is is the urgency of climate-change, the agricultural crisis, and energy problem compared to the time that would be required to test new technologies for just short-term effects. Long term effects may be impossible to predict until it is too late.
For example, the idea of polluting the oceans and stratosphere to address global warming reminds me of the Vietnam maxim "We must destroy the village to save the village". It makes as much sense. The pollution used to solve one problem will become a problem itself eventually.
Another problem with technological solutions to these three crises ignores another major catastrophe, namely the growing shortage of water. Even if we adopted these high-tech solutions, the water shortage would be the fly in the oinment.
If we pose the question as to who benefits from these technological solutions as opposed to alternatives, we discover that it is big business. So instead of following a sensible, natural path to reducing greenhouse emissions, solving the food problem, and adopting alternateive forms of energy, we would be adopting a highly risky, untested, and short term solution to preserve the profits of large corporations.
The corporatocracy wants to preserve its monopoly and wealth and power with unnatural solutions to our problemns rather than conservation, alternate forms of energy and farming. The public must resist as if our planet were at stake, because it is.
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Posted by: Ellen Remore on Aug 5, 2008 9:10 AM
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Seriously, I have railed against globalization in general and NAFTA in particular for years. Everybody told me I was an utterly daft reactionary / Luddite. Maybe I wasn't.
Not to worry though--don't we have it on good authority that Jesus will be back any day now?
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Posted by: SevenStarHand on Aug 5, 2008 1:52 PM
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Only wisdom and cooperation are going to save humanity this time, so let go of the deck chairs and run to the lifeboats ASAP.
One key to wisdom and cooperation...
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Posted by: Vic Fedorov on Aug 6, 2008 7:58 AM
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I think if asked, everyone would prefer free assemblies deciding and discussing local issues, than the few officialsdeciding for the many; if not asked, people seem apathetic: Conversely, if worked with, everyone has a good heart at bottom.
New England practices town meetings, where quorums of 240 are required for decisions to be made, and they've held back the destruction of forests and farms.
The lack of focus on this and the way localities are run, in light of New England, the tenth and free assembly, is the media's fault. Here they are acting like they know everything, and these basic facts they don't know or ignore.
Personally, I think this is a metaphysical situation, and mind-controlled; but the natural place of this serious consideration is not seen. I don't think any journalist, or anyone is against the people deciding local issues in free assemblies. So why the media doesn't cover this constitutional fact indicates a controll of the media in no one's interest.
I brought up in federal court, that local officials violate the tenth amendment. A simple federal question, and sued for my town to make their decisions in free assemblies.
You'd think this noble cause and federal lawsuit would have gotten a little media coverage, at least from local papers. No, not at all.
Thus without the media keeping the judiciary and opposing parties honest through public scrutiny, this federal question was submitted to a host of behaviors that did not treat the issue fairly.
That's ironic, because I think local officials understand the tenth amendment and local self-rule by the people in free assembly is good, and would have been more cooperative had public reporting of the case existed.
Compared to some of the trivialities published in newspapers, the tenth amendment, and the way localities make decisions, the illegality of the current form, is very meritorious.
And that is why the system hasn't shifted here. Because if the media isn't covering an issue, public officials can igore an issue. So I really blame the media's total lack of coverage of this issue, for its failure to prevail in federal court. (They ruled I didn't have "standing" to bring it up.) Which really doesn't hold up in public debate, but suffices privately.
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Posted by: NUWAYofTHINKING on Aug 6, 2008 3:27 PM
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Global warming/climate change is caused by the sun. Human are responsible for less than 5%. In the middle-age there was a period which was warmer than it is now and there were no SUV.
Food crisis is caused by biofuel. Read the World Bank report.
Energy crisis is caused in part by financial speculation, and we are advancing rapidly in the alternative energy department.
So please, lets not fall in the trap!
All of these crisis are engineered to give more power in the hand of the government, so they can tax us, enact more laws, reduce our liberties.
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Posted by: dobermanmacleod on Aug 5, 2008 1:16 AM
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Peak oil can be overcome with 4th generation fuel production which converts CO2 into fuel biologically by maximizing methanogenesis using a GMO. Furthermore, not only land but ocean can be maximized for food production using GMOs. Finally, the excess greenhouse gas can be removed from the air using GMOs.
Ultimately the one crisis is time. Currently we have an energy infrastructure dangerously dependent upon the burning of fossil fuels, and a food infrastructure dangerous dependent upon arable land, a favorable climate, and diminishing oil. It will take time to revamp our energy and food infrastructure, but we don't have that time:
"Few seem to realise that the present IPCC models predict almost unanimously that by 2040 the average summer in Europe will be as hot as the summer of 2003 when over 30,000 died from heat. By then we may cool ourselves with air conditioning and learn to live in a climate no worse than that of Baghdad now. But without extensive irrigation the plants will die and both farming and natural ecosystems will be replaced by scrub and desert. What will there be to eat? The same dire changes will affect the rest of the world and I can envisage Americans migrating into Canada and the Chinese into Siberia but there may be little food for any of them." --Dr James Lovelock's lecture to the Royal Society, 29 Oct. '07
As ecosystems rapidly collapse, civil unrest and war will stifle technological progress. Worse, the dark side of cosmopolitan genomic technology is individuals can now construct highly contagious and extremely lethal pathogens to use for bioterrorist pandemics.
Ultimately, we only have one crisis: the clock is running out to change our energy and food infrastructure before chaos ushers in a mass extinction and the end of civilization. www.myspace.com/dobermanmacleod
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Posted by: mmckinl on Aug 5, 2008 1:36 AM
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Unfortunately the current two frontrunners won't even mention the biggest heist of tax payers money in history, the bailout of bankers over their sub prime crisis.
Neither of the two mentions peak oil or peak anything for that matter. McCain offers the false hope of drilling and Obama falls for the bait.
Neither of the two will discuss the disaster that ethanol has inflicted on food stocks or the land and water.
McCain's programs are a disaster and Obama's aren't much better. I don't see much hope ahead. It will take real suffering to get anything done and by then we may have resorted to a police state just to keep order.
have a nice day ...
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Posted by: Dboy on Aug 5, 2008 1:37 AM
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In my opinion, the failure here is not in biotechnology, but in the business model. "RoundupReady", for instance, is designed to benefit Monsanto, not it's customers. Monsanto is a chemical company who saw the dollar signs and transformed itself into a seed company..but it kept it's chemical company mentality. They sell "RoundupReady" brand seed so they can sell RoundUp, NOT so they can feed anyone. Indian farmers have been committing suicide in alarming numbers the past few seasons...since they were sold on the "miracle" Monsanto product line. And when they kill themselves (due to their hopeless debt burden) they often do it by drinking Monsanto's pesticide.
We need small co-op biotech projects, where genetic designers are rewarded for creating productive crops without the corporate context. The GM technology itself is not evil, it's the way it can be used to control food supplies that IS evil. But there is another way. We need good seed that is free of intellectual property restraints and free of copy-protection. It worked with Linux, it can work with biotech.
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Posted by: Bobsays on Aug 5, 2008 3:09 AM
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Think about this: you can reduce yourself to a quavering wretch on the street consuming nothing more than a bowl of rice a day, but it won't make a damn difference if people in China and India are buying condos and buying flat screen TVs. So, clearly feeling guilty and trying to negate yourself is not a good strategy. Much better to just change your life to a healthy life. That would be the CHANGE.
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Posted by: Last Chance on Aug 5, 2008 3:19 AM
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As everywhere else, overpopulation is the primary cause of such disasters. Here in the USA and around the World the symptoms are obvious - greed for ever-growing wealth and power is exhausting the land's natural capacity, so the demand for oil keeps growing with the growing population = higher prices for diminishing supplies.
But will the governments support family planning programs? Nah! A growing economy is a healthy economy and it needs a growing population, period - and that stubborn myopia is now collapsing the U.S. economy and plunging everyone into social chaos that gets worse every day.
Apparently, life on Earth is little more than a growing mass of competing appetites crawling over each other to get on top of the heap, regardless of warnings from the few who dare to think beyond their desires.
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Posted by: Iconoclast421 on Aug 5, 2008 5:48 AM
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Plus, the US has to be able to outsource its pollution somewhere...
But anyway, what does that have to do with what's going on here? The US is being destroyed by mass delusion and psychosis brought on by over-exposure to the death ray we like to call television. The minds of Americans are almost completely controlled by a handful of elite occultists bent on killing 95% of the world's population. And no one really seems to care. So get your marshmallows ready.
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Next of course comes Gov't- the Other horse & Rider who loves the 'Us & Them' theology laid down and justified by the Grand daddy.Hates to giv emoney to the Poor, but will BailOut their Cohort of industry without any moral conflict concern- Industries can't be Sinners, Only people Right? So by helping those nations who's people have proven they are 'Blessed' and ignoring those who are suffering, We maintain our 'non Compete clause'- so Give Israel a few more Billion and turn a blind eye (or throw crumbs at ) Darfur.
Industry- also has mechanisms which can assure those being 'punished' are not assisted.god Blessed some M.E Countries with Oil- a gift from God, Others were not. so to reconfirm our committment to adhering to the 'Rules' -Industry sends their tools over to Help the Rich get richer off their gift- Saudi Arabia, Kuwait... Iraq, Iran. They have used their 'gold from the Gods' correctly- sending such rewards to the unworthy countries like China, Russia, North Korea-'Godless People'. along with perpetuating Our pre ordained Right as the 'Blessed' with further Wealth.
Fourth crusader....The mass Media, the Propagandists, the mouthpiece of the Deception.
"Freedom Fighters or Terrorists"?, Extremeists or Religious Conservatives, the Poor or 'Welfare mothers'. Who finds and uses Just the right terms to paint the picture, to set the tone, to justify the actions and inactions. Who chooses what to report, how and more importantly what Not to report.Consider the lack of real reporting on Iraq, Aghanistan, Darfur,. Why are 'News' shows and 'Current event' shows only filled with various'Talking point' pundits and no true experts on the subject? stratedgically scripted.
So those suffering are Sinners, and are being punished and have a pre ordained lot in life- per gods Great Design. The job of the Gov't, Industry and media is to reward the 'Blessed' , help facilitate it's continued reign and keep the Hedons in their place.
Oh and add to that the idea that a 'Savior ' will come when all hell breaks out, and the 'blessed ' will be rewared and be placed high above the unworthy in heaven (Raptured), and working towards 'End of Days' is a Mission Statement, the Big pay off for all their 'Toils', assistance and compliance to God's Design and pre destine Judgements/punishments.
Remeber AIDS Tx's wouldn't work in Africa because the people wouldn't understand Time??? Which Continent did mankind orginate from, which group of man first developed time keeping mechanizisms- seasons changes, animal migrations? and they couldn't tell the time of day because they didn't have a Timex???
so when contempting the interrelatedness of Resources (gifts) and the disregard for the innate Responsilbity of our Species...You must being with the Philosophy which perpetuates the problem and Condones it. Apparently 'god' only has a limited number of seats for the 'Blessed'.And all the major Religions are the only ones allowed to play this 'Musical Chairs'.
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Posted by: Spiritgirl on Aug 5, 2008 6:05 AM
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U.S. farmers bought into technology making life easier. Farm policy in this country (a taboo subject) also needs to be changed to stop paying farmers for not farming land. For land that isn't farmed how about we pay for the use of wind mills or solar panels? How about cattle and sheep ranchers utilize nature instead of hormones and "feed"? How about diverting money from the military-industrial-complex and put some of that money into research and development of alternatives? Energy policy needs to be more sound and reasonable, less about the bottom line.
I read somewhere that each generation of Americans always strives to leave their children with a better future. Will future generations look back and damn us for the legacy of food shortages, bad air, and the gas masks that they wear, that we have left them? Will they think about how selfish and lazy we were, and how when we really needed to come up with concrete, comprehensive policies we failed them miserably?
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Posted by: williameon on Aug 5, 2008 6:36 AM
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Let’s move forward.
Cut the cord!
KICK OIL!
Go around the oil pushers and
Create a new rational, model society to strive for.
Reaffirm our positive progressive Goals and Ideals.
All for one and one for all!
Become self sufficient and self reliant.
The Corpirate System is imploding,
From the weight of its own selfishness and GREED.
STAND BACK 500 FEET!
Start over with a clean slate
Take the best of what we know and move forward.
These simple procedures will soften the effects of the coming Global economic melt down.
What can save us?
The Local Revolution
Organic Foods
Green Energy
Local manufacturing
Health Care
Indie Media and
Self sufficiency.
Produce what we need as close to the point of consumption as possible.
Put people back to work rebuilding America!
Fresh is better.
Local is better.
Plow our money into our friends and families pockets instead of some stranger’s overseas.
A Renaissance is in order
The Greening of America
Get the Oil Monkey off your back and find freedom.
Shut off The Indoctrination Set
Stop the Homogenization of life to the Lowest Common Denominator:
GREED
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Posted by: Gravitas on Aug 5, 2008 6:39 AM
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But I think population control should come at both ends. Because of pharma marketing, we have become a nation obsessed with eeking out every last millisecond of life. I think that push should be stopped. If you want to fine, but for many people longevity is not a priority. Those people should not be forced or pressured into a lifestyle they don't want for more time at the end that doesn't matter to them. Is it really a tragedy if 70 year old dies? If they were born at the turn of the 20th century, their lifespan might have been much shorter than that. Instead of looking at how much we gained, we are crying about the few hypothetical years they lost. And what is so wrong about making a graceful exit while you are still relatively healthy instead of clinging till you hit decay? Don't get me wrong. I am not saying we should start rationing health care for seniors. But plenty of people already feel the way I do. Leave them alone and realize that in the long run, they may be benefiting the planet.
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Posted by: maxpayne on Aug 5, 2008 7:10 AM
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Zoning laws? Hint: Do a google search for
"zoning laws" solar wind
food processing? Hint: Do a google search for
"corn fed" "grass fed"
Also, corn-fed products will make you more hungry especially if they contain High Fructose Corn Syrup whereas its traditional counterparts will keep you healthy.
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Posted by: jeffrey7 on Aug 5, 2008 7:17 AM
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They hold up wind and solar with the pharse, "It won't meet our needs." BULLSHIT!!!
Done correctly wind and solar can give us nearly 80% of our power needs. We've been able to make cellulose fuels for more than a hundred years,that's where diesel fuel originally came from,now they force a lie on us that it's nearing development. Truthfully,they just figured out how to make it expensive. Just to hold up development.
Food?? Come on,all we need to do is eliminate some of the feed cattle ranches and pork farms and we'd have the crop land and the water resources to feed millions,hundreds of millions instead of just a few.
Climate...well that's going to take some serious effort on all our parts,yes, even the the yahoos that control our government.
Firstly convert to biodiesel for trains,trucks and buses. Ban coal burning,no grandfather clauses,no special permits. Coal is responsible for not just acid rain that eats your lawn furniture but also vast amounts of mercury. A substance that can cause mental defects like bi-polar mania,autisim and chronic
depression. Not to mention anueurisms,tumors,MS
and lupis. One of the fastest ways to clean the atmosphere is ti use 'Air-powered cars' for city driving. They do highway speeds and exhaust pure air.Plant more trees. Make laws that every housing development has to have a minimum of two trees per lot. In big cities there's a flowering vine that won't hurt masonary,grow to 60 ft. in height and provide much needed 'green space' to clean inner city air and lower heat indexes. Retrofit all tall buildings with wind generators to take advantage of constant wind above 100 ft.
This bullshit of telling us we're nearing destroying ourselves over Energy, Food and Climate represents a scare tactis perpetrated by BOTH Party's to keep our attention off the fact that neither Party will do anything diffrent. They will still be the same controlled psychophants they always were and the People will always be their fodder for the machine. Look beyond the haze that's campaign spin and you'll see the truth. That both candidates represent a huge steaming pile of monkey crap these jabronies think passes for a platform.
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Posted by: Peak Shrink on Aug 5, 2008 7:28 AM
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Energy depletion? Climate Change? Skyrocketing food prices? If you want to do something, dig up a lawn and plant food; buy from a local farmer via Community Supported Agriculture, eat only in season and within 100 miles of your home (or a 90%/10% if you must) and learn to put up at least some of your food for the winter months. We'll need a heck of a lot more farmers in the future, who can grow food without pesticides or fertilizers. We'll start to make progress when we start turning around those massive farmland-turned-suburbs that are emptying out, into suburbs-turned-farms.
We’ll need 50 million new farmers, according to Richard Heinberg, and assuming farmers need to be as fit as military personnel, we have about 60 million people aged 18-49 here in the USA, eligible for fighting. Alas, war is just more profitable...
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Posted by: Vic Fedorov on Aug 5, 2008 7:33 AM
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It also involves free assembly. When the tenth amendment encourages and enforces excercising powers by the people they mean the people in free assembly. Free assembly is local, empowered, free, assembly deciding and discussing local issues: and voice votes and consensus of people present at the free assembly.
Thus a great many of our state constitutions that create local officialdom are in violation of the federal law.
Currently, in many places, powers not given to the federal government are excercised by local officials who are neither the state, nor the people.
Thus the whole dialogue of what we want at a local level is subsumed by the few deciding for the many. And this is illegal and illogical. For representative government, expediently, makes sense at a federal and state level but is never intended by constitutional democracy to retard our people and polity at a local level.
The regulation of our lives by school is done locally. The regulation of our lives by our economy is done with an abscence of discussion locally. The federal government only has a few powers. There is no mention of mayors and councilpersons in the federal constitution.
If local free assemblies were wisely promoted and practiced, the economy could be talked about. The economy is what most needs talking about because it is a very wasteful one, with a bottom line of many unproductive jobs, commutes, and lack of discussion by the people.
If people discussed what they wanted from society, they would want a more agrarian society, less of a birthrate, no unproductive jobs, more time, greater consideration of how to treat children... all sorts of things.
And you wouldn't have the waste that exists now in an economy that is undiscussed because the number one things local free assemblies should discuss, the economy and the way we raise our kids: two suprastructures regulating the people, rather than being regulated by the people.
This is why we left the state of nature. To discuss what we want as a community: To talk about making our locality as self-sustaining as possible, to create a wise local society, to ask each other what we want. And there is a law that forbids the usurpation of this dialogue by local officials deciding and setting the agenda for the many. And the law of Free Assembly implies the same.
And we wouldn't want this bogus economy, but there are no free assemblies where this is ascertained, and a few local inhibited officials dominate the decision making process and agenda.
I'm always amazed why I see so few alternet articles on the outrageous destruction of forest and farmland for unconsidered population growth, which the people always seem to be against. For is you look at the laws of the tenth amendment you quickly see that anything built approved by local officials was built illegally.
Wise local free assemblies is the constitutional democratic way to reduce energy waste by discussing unnecessary jobs and commutes, encourage greenness, and return to a more blessed agrarian society.
So complaining about the way things are, when we should be learning and enforcing our own constitution....the latter is forward-looking and constructive.
And if there is no refutation of this interpretation of law, there must beconsensus that it is true. Consensus should manifest itself.
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Posted by: vasumurti on Aug 5, 2008 7:39 AM
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Half the water consumed in the U.S. goes to irrigate land growing feed and fodder for livestock. Huge amounts of water are also used to wash away their excrement. U.S. livestock produce twenty times as much excrement as does the entire human population; creating sewage which is ten to several hundred times more concentrated than raw domestic sewage. Animal wastes cause ten times more water pollution than does the U.S. human population; the meat industry causes three times as much harmful organic water pollution than the rest of the nation's industries combined. Meat producers are the number one industrial polluters in our nation, contributing to half the water pollution in the United States.
The number of animals killed for food in the United States is 70 times larger than the number of animals killed in laboratories, 30 times larger than the number killed by hunters and trappers, and 500 times larger than the number of animals killed in pounds. If Americans reduced their meat consumption by just 10 percent, it would release enough grain and soybeans to feed over 60 million people.
Many on the Left are beginning to take a stand in favor of animal rights. Joanna Macy spoke at the San Francisco Green Festival, in November 2005. In his 1990 updated and revised edition of Animal Liberation, Australian philosopher Peter Singer writes that many of the political parties leaning towards the "Green" end of the political spectrum in Europe were beginning to oppose animal experimentation.
John Robbins elaborated further on the economic waste of raising animals for food in May All Be Fed, which my brother gave me for Christmas in 1992. Oxfam, the international charity, reports that in Mexico, 80 percent of the children in rural areas are undernourished, yet the livestock are fed more grain than the human population eats! Meat consumption in Taiwan increased 600 percent between 1950 and 1990. In 1950, Taiwan was a grain exporter; in 1990 the nation imported, mostly for feed, 74 percent of the grain it used. Twenty-five years ago, Syria was a barley exporter. But in the intervening years, livestock have consumed increasing amounts of the country's grain. Now, despite a phenomenal 1000 percent increase in the land area devoted to producing barley, Syria must import the cereal.
John Robbins spoke before the United Nations in 1994, where he received a standing ovation.
I had the opportunity to hear John Robbins speak at a Unitarian church here in Oakland several years ago. The church was PACKED! John writes in The Food Revolution (2001):
"The revolution sweeping our relationship to our food and our world, I believe, is part of an historical imperative. This is what happens when the human spirit is activated. One hundred and fifty years ago, slavery was legal in the United States. One hundred years ago, women could not vote in most states. Eighty years ago, there were no laws in the United States against any form of child abuse. Fifty years ago, we had no Civil Rights Act, no Clean Air or Clean Water legislation, no Endangered Species Act. Today, millions of people are refusing to buy clothes and shoes made in sweatshops and are seeking to live healthier and more Earth-friendly lifestyles. In the last fifteen years alone, as people in the United States have realized how cruelly veal calves are treated, veal consumption has dropped 62 percent."
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Posted by: david.model@senecac.on.ca on Aug 5, 2008 8:53 AM
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Using technology to attempt to solve these problems while maintaining the same lifestyle is an insane notion that ignores the inevitable side effects of new technologies, the accelerating demand for applying these new technologies and the ultimate depletion of resources.
In addition to these problems is is the urgency of climate-change, the agricultural crisis, and energy problem compared to the time that would be required to test new technologies for just short-term effects. Long term effects may be impossible to predict until it is too late.
For example, the idea of polluting the oceans and stratosphere to address global warming reminds me of the Vietnam maxim "We must destroy the village to save the village". It makes as much sense. The pollution used to solve one problem will become a problem itself eventually.
Another problem with technological solutions to these three crises ignores another major catastrophe, namely the growing shortage of water. Even if we adopted these high-tech solutions, the water shortage would be the fly in the oinment.
If we pose the question as to who benefits from these technological solutions as opposed to alternatives, we discover that it is big business. So instead of following a sensible, natural path to reducing greenhouse emissions, solving the food problem, and adopting alternateive forms of energy, we would be adopting a highly risky, untested, and short term solution to preserve the profits of large corporations.
The corporatocracy wants to preserve its monopoly and wealth and power with unnatural solutions to our problemns rather than conservation, alternate forms of energy and farming. The public must resist as if our planet were at stake, because it is.
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Posted by: Ellen Remore on Aug 5, 2008 9:10 AM
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Seriously, I have railed against globalization in general and NAFTA in particular for years. Everybody told me I was an utterly daft reactionary / Luddite. Maybe I wasn't.
Not to worry though--don't we have it on good authority that Jesus will be back any day now?
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Only wisdom and cooperation are going to save humanity this time, so let go of the deck chairs and run to the lifeboats ASAP.
One key to wisdom and cooperation...
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Posted by: Vic Fedorov on Aug 6, 2008 7:58 AM
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I think if asked, everyone would prefer free assemblies deciding and discussing local issues, than the few officialsdeciding for the many; if not asked, people seem apathetic: Conversely, if worked with, everyone has a good heart at bottom.
New England practices town meetings, where quorums of 240 are required for decisions to be made, and they've held back the destruction of forests and farms.
The lack of focus on this and the way localities are run, in light of New England, the tenth and free assembly, is the media's fault. Here they are acting like they know everything, and these basic facts they don't know or ignore.
Personally, I think this is a metaphysical situation, and mind-controlled; but the natural place of this serious consideration is not seen. I don't think any journalist, or anyone is against the people deciding local issues in free assemblies. So why the media doesn't cover this constitutional fact indicates a controll of the media in no one's interest.
I brought up in federal court, that local officials violate the tenth amendment. A simple federal question, and sued for my town to make their decisions in free assemblies.
You'd think this noble cause and federal lawsuit would have gotten a little media coverage, at least from local papers. No, not at all.
Thus without the media keeping the judiciary and opposing parties honest through public scrutiny, this federal question was submitted to a host of behaviors that did not treat the issue fairly.
That's ironic, because I think local officials understand the tenth amendment and local self-rule by the people in free assembly is good, and would have been more cooperative had public reporting of the case existed.
Compared to some of the trivialities published in newspapers, the tenth amendment, and the way localities make decisions, the illegality of the current form, is very meritorious.
And that is why the system hasn't shifted here. Because if the media isn't covering an issue, public officials can igore an issue. So I really blame the media's total lack of coverage of this issue, for its failure to prevail in federal court. (They ruled I didn't have "standing" to bring it up.) Which really doesn't hold up in public debate, but suffices privately.
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Posted by: NUWAYofTHINKING on Aug 6, 2008 3:27 PM
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Global warming/climate change is caused by the sun. Human are responsible for less than 5%. In the middle-age there was a period which was warmer than it is now and there were no SUV.
Food crisis is caused by biofuel. Read the World Bank report.
Energy crisis is caused in part by financial speculation, and we are advancing rapidly in the alternative energy department.
So please, lets not fall in the trap!
All of these crisis are engineered to give more power in the hand of the government, so they can tax us, enact more laws, reduce our liberties.
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