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One Million Homes Lost and Counting: How to End the Foreclosure Crisis Now
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Many of those facing foreclosure are low- to middle-income homeowners who were enticed into buying houses by fraudulent mortgage companies and low "teaser" interest rates that are adjusted up ("reset") after two to three years. As long as housing prices were increasing, homeowners could always refinance their mortgages and get a new teaser rate for another few years. However, now that house prices are falling, these homeowners can no longer refinance, and many of them cannot afford to pay the higher interest rates when they are reset. Falling prices also mean that many of these homeowners owe more on their mortgage than the current value of their house (i.e. they have "negative equity" in their house). The recession is also resulting in declining employment and income, meaning even more homeowners are struggling to make their monthly mortgage payments. The further housing prices decline, and the worse the recession is, the worse the foreclosures will be, in a vicious cycle.
Clearly, the federal government must take some positive actions to stop the spreading foreclosures, especially for low- and middle-income families, who would suffer the most. But what should those actions be? At a minimum, policies should apply only to owner-occupied homes, and not to "investor" or "speculative" homeowners (those who buy houses in order to sell them later at a higher price). But beyond this, various policies have been proposed, and not all of them would truly help homeowners at risk.
Workouts, Not Bailouts
There are two main types of anti-foreclosure policies: bailouts and workouts. In bailouts, the government gives aid either to lenders (e.g. by purchasing bad mortgages at their full original value) or to homeowners (e.g. by giving them loans so they can repay their lenders). Of course, aid to homeowners indirectly bails out the lenders as well. In workouts, the terms of the original mortgage contract are modified, either by reducing the rate of interest or reducing the principal owed, or both, in order to make the loan more affordable. So far, most of the proposals to deal with the foreclosure crisis have been more workouts than bailouts, although there are elements of bailout in some of them as well. The lenders made fortunes on these risky mortgages during the housing bubble, so if someone has to suffer losses now, it should be the lenders. There should be no bailouts of the lenders in any way.
Lender-Initiated Workouts
There are two types of workouts, depending on whether they are initiated by the lenders or the homeowners. Most of the policies proposed and enacted so far have been initiated by the lenders, i.e., they are voluntary on the part of the lenders. The main policy of the Bush administration is called "Hope Now," in which the lenders voluntarily postpone the resets of interest rates that are scheduled to take place in the months ahead, and leave the principal of the loan unchanged (or sometimes the foregone interest is added to the principal). The Bush administration claims that over 500,000 mortgages have been modified in this way in recent months, and estimates that another 500,000 mortgages will be modified in the months ahead. However, critics argue that these numbers are exaggerated and that many of these modifications have been simply allowing homeowners more time to make the same payments. It is likely that in the months ahead, many of these homeowners still will not be able to make their payments, and many of them will be foreclosed on, which has led some critics to call this the "No Hope" plan. The only lasting solution is to reduce the mortgage principal owed to more affordable levels. The main problem now is not the reset of interest rates, but rather declining housing prices, which has the effect that more and more homeowners now owe more money on their mortgage than their house is worth.
The House of Representatives has recently passed a bill (H.R. 5830, introduced by Rep. Barney Frank, D-Mass.) that is primarily a workout, but also is potentially part bailout, and is also lender-initiated The bill would replace existing mortgages with new mortgages that would have a value of 85% of the current market value of the houses, and these refinanced mortgages would be guaranteed by the Federal Housing Administration (how this "current market value" is to be determined is a crucial detail which so far has not been specified). This 15% "write-down" of the principal, plus the prior 10% decline of prices means that the total write-down for lenders will be approximately 25%. For example, a homeowner with an original mortgage of $300,000 would have the principal reduced to $225,000, and the monthly payments reduced by a similar proportion. The bill appropriates $300 billion for this purpose, which it estimates could help up to 1.5 million homeowners. A similar bill appears likely to pass in the Senate (introduced by Christopher Dodd, D-Conn.). President Bush initially threatened a veto, but has now said he will sign the bill. In any case, it does not appear likely that many lenders will "volunteer" for this writedown.
Another problem with this bill is that housing prices in some areas are likely to fall more than an additional 15%. Mortgages on these houses are likely to be the ones that the lenders will voluntarily refinance, and any further losses would have be borne by the government (i.e., by the taxpayers). This would be a partial bailout of the lenders.
Homeowner-Initiated Workouts
Another bill has been introduced into the House (H.R. 3609) and Senate (S. 26360) that would provide workouts that would be initiated by the homeowners and would be mandatory for the lenders. These bills would allow bankruptcy judges to modify mortgage contracts (by reducing the principal and/or by reducing the interest rate) in order to make monthly payments more affordable for homeowners. It used to be possible for bankruptcy judges to modify mortgage contracts, but this was explicitly prohibited in a 1993 bankruptcy law. One can see the hand of the mortgage bankers in the writing of that provision. Modifications on other types of loans are allowed: for investment properties, for vacation homes, and even for boats, but no modifications allowed for primary residences! So all that needs to be done is to delete this one phrase in the law which prohibits modifications for primary residences. A significant advantage of this plan is that it would not cost taxpayers anything.
One problem with this bill is that homeowners would have to declare bankruptcy, which is expensive (about $2000) and would hurt their credit rating in the future. But at least they would still have their home, with an affordable mortgage, and thus would have the chance to restore their credit rating.
This bill is supported by the AFL-CIO, SEIU, NAACP, ACORN, the Center for Responsible Lending, and many other consumer protection groups. It is of course strongly opposed by the Mortgage Bankers Association, and does not seem to have enough support for passage at the present time.
Another homeowner-initiated plan has been proposed by Dean Baker of the Center for Economic and Policy Research. According to this "own-to-rent" plan, homeowners faced with foreclosure would have the option to stay in their houses as tenants, rather than as owners, and would pay the prevailing rental rates, which are generally much lower than mortgage payments. Eligibility for the plan would be capped at the median house price in a metropolitan area and thus would not benefit high-income homeowners. This plan also would not cost taxpayers anything. A bill along these lines was recently introduced in the House (H.R. 6116).
Looking Ahead
The presidential candidates have had disappointingly little to say about the foreclosure crisis and anti-foreclosure policies. Senator Barack Obama has expressed support for the Frank-Dodd FHA bill, but not yet for the bankruptcy modification bill. In good Republican tradition, McCain advocates "no government intervention." But the foreclosure crisis is likely to worsen in the coming months, and the public may well demand more policies to address this growing problem. The homeowner-initiated policies are preferable because they provide the most protection for homeowners against foreclosure. Both of these options should be available to homeowners facing foreclosure, especially for those with low or moderate incomes.
The guiding principles of government anti-foreclosure policies should be: (1) homeowners should be allowed to stay in their homes; and (2) there should be no bailouts for the lenders. And the long-run objective of government housing policies should be: decent affordable housing for all.
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Posted by: HughScott on Aug 2, 2008 6:09 AM
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Call me cold-hearted, but until someone answers that question satisfactorily, I don't have much sympathy for people in foreclosure.
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» NOTE: I'm talking, of course, about refinancing & credit lines, not first mortgages.
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Posted by: Bobsays on Aug 2, 2008 6:31 AM
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There is too much pooh in the pan and the world economy needs a big flush. Prices need to get back to what things are worth. A three bedroom house in a ghetto is not worth $450,000. Neighbourhoods vary widely, and this idea that a house in a dump is nearly worth the same as one in a nice neighbourhood, is screwed up. Ghetto-bitch houses should only be worth $50,000; nice small bungalows in Beverly Hills, no more than $250,000.
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Posted by: maxpayne on Aug 2, 2008 8:16 AM
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P.S.: Everything made of petroleum can also be made of various plant fibers which have also proven stronger, more durable, and thus longer lasting. Maybe that will lead more people to stop misusing their homes as mere cash cows to buy and sell at whim.
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Posted by: pforth on Aug 2, 2008 9:04 AM
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By bailing out those people who bought homes they couldn't afford you are effectively continuing to prop up over inflated home prices. This is grossly unfair to all the renters out there who are waiting for more reasonable prices before they purchase their first home. For every family who acted irresponsibly by receiving a loan they could not truly afford and is getting kicked out of their home there is another family who has been saving their money and acting responsibly who are waiting to move in. Which family do you believe most deserves to live there?
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Posted by: mike montagne on Aug 2, 2008 10:55 AM
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Where did the money go? It went to service artificially multiplied debt. So much of the circulation is dedicated to servicing artificial multiplication of debt in fact, that we can no longer afford to maintain a circulation by sufficiently re-borrowing what we pay out of the circulation in servicing principal and interest obligations.
How did we get here?
Against promises of the 1912 presidential campaign, we gave up issuance of our currency to private corporations, and to a system which for the *intended* unearned profit of those corporations can only multiply debt in proportion to a vital circulation, as, to maintain a vital circulation, we are obliged to re-borrow principal and interest paid out of the general circulation, as a subsequent sum of debt, perpetually increased so much as periodic interest on the sum of debt.
Thomas Jefferson warned us this would happen 200 years ago. Abraham Lincoln, Benjamin Franklin, Andrew Jackson, John Adams, all warned us of the present consequence of a privatized currency, which does not represent wealth, but instead imposes a process of inherent multiplication of debt, intended instead to dispossess us of wealth.
What is the *singular* solution to 1) inflation and deflation, 2) systemic manipulation of the cost or value of money or property, and 3) inherent, irreversible multiplication of debt by interest to inevitable collapse under a terminal sum of debt? What is the one and one only solution to *all* of the monetary irregularities presently imposed upon us?
It is to issue currency which strictly represents monetary obligations *equal* to the value of the related property, and to pay off the resultant monetary obligation at the rate of consumption or depreciation (which are equivalent).
If the money is subject to interest, it is impossible to solve inflation and deflation, because we are obliged to pay more out of circulation than the value of the related asset, and because maintenance of a circulation itself will multiply the sum of debt until we suffer a terminal sum of debt.
So only if we adopt a form of money which is *not* subject to multiplication of private, unearned profit, can we truly solve these issues.
What is mathematically perfected economy™?
It is a public certification of the private notes of individuals/ventures, which notes are *not* subject to unearned profit of an extrinsic party which contributes nothing to the transaction or merits of the purposed currency of usury.
What happens when we relieve ourselves of this private method of dispossessing us?
A $100,000 home with a hundred-year lifespan is paid off at the overall rate of $1,000 per year, or $83.33 per month.
Why preserve usury, if it can only engender a terminal sum of debt? How many homes would be in foreclosure if we truly solved this problem?
None.
These debts are *purposely* multiplied to such artificial sums as put us on the verge of bankruptcy, because that is the formula for maximizing the unearned profits of so called financial institutions.
These institutions can only "fail" because they are middle-men for the central bank. The money was actually created at virtually no cost whatever; and so there is no justification of interest.
Only in mathematically perfected economy™ is there no inflation, deflation, inherent devaluation of the currency (as ever more of the circulation is dedicated to servicing debt), or inherent, irreversible multiplication of debt, and inherent collapse under an eventual, terminal sum of debt.
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Posted by: blogbooks on Aug 2, 2008 12:40 PM
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Let them pay it I say.
Maybe after another few years of massive foreclosures and home price deflation young people like me will be able to even DREAM of one day owning a home.
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Posted by: douglashoyt on Aug 2, 2008 5:00 PM
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Financially sound bank should take over the bankrupt banks with no bailouts for the "stockholders."
No federal bailouts for any of them. You take the risk, if you make money, good, if you loose money-too bad.
This is how the "free" market is supposed to work.
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Posted by: joze46 on Aug 3, 2008 7:06 AM
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Let’s start talking about Phil Gramm.
Wow, Senator Gramm is Mr. Connecto. As an official at Europe’s second largest bank now seeped in this world wide banking fraud which tally in the trillions.
Here, this Gramm guy is considered as a Treasury Secretary by McNuts. You know one could start to believe that the sub prime fraud is simple stuff for a very deep and penetrating money banking scandal with the Iraq War all tied to Bush and Company.
If ever there was a time in real business when Mainstream Media was flying low for the Republican Party it is now. The cable end has zeroed a lot of reporting on this hot stuff, where USB and our Senator Gramm are wading up to his hips in scandal.
This stuff is better than who goosed the Alaska Moose Ted Stevens.
Some how Rockefeller is in this too. Radio city is getting creepy stories about some guy running around calling himself Clark Rockefeller. Or are they all waiting for Clark Kent to appear at the NYT? The Connecticut Jew boy Joe Lieberman is definitely part of this Wall Street gang. Isn’t it funny how USB holds the Guinness record with its largest stock trading floor in a building in Connecticut.
We should not be surprised that Osama Bin Laden will torpedo that building in our current bear market. Dive, dive, dive. Take her down to about a dow of 6000. One needs a lot of space for stock market foolery. Now we all know our tax money also greases wall street in a bear market. McNuts and gang want to buy the stocks when they get really cheap.
For me, at first Senator Mark Levin angered me from what seemed to be a do nothing time for our Senator but after reading and surfing the Internet low and behold the clouds parted the sky opened brightly and maybe just maybe a Senate Committee is doing investigations in “Tax Havens”? One can read estimates of lost tax revenue by the Richie rich to the tune of at least a few trillion dollars form the last decade easy.
With that said and this new found windfall of stolen money, Obama as President can write an executive order for baby boomers to retire immediately supplied biweekly with annuities from this new found slush fund. Plus every American will be Social Securitized beyond the poverty level with a minimum annual retirement value of forty five thousand dollars for life. Oh yes we can…with Health-care too.
That should drive Osama Bin Laden crazy…
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Posted by: lamar on Aug 3, 2008 8:47 AM
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What's the real harm? Bailouts and workouts have the effect of keeping housing prices artificially high. Young couples and working folks would still be priced out of the market. On the other hand, if houses go into foreclosure, the prices fall and housing becomes more affordable again. This simply can't happen if prices aren't allowed to fall.
No good thinking person wishes a foreclosure on anyone. But there should be a distinction between people who have a substantial amount invested in their home, and those who put very little down and have been merely keeping up with the payments. Keeping up with the payments is something renters do, and aside from the emotional distress, they really don't lose as much as everybody loses when housing prices are kept artificially high.
As the article notes, bailouts and workouts are all lender bailouts. As bizarre as it may seem, market forces in a down cycle can actually help those less fortunate. It's the difference between paying $200,000 and $300,000 for the same house.
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For whom does the bell toll? It tolls for thee. (Ernest Hemingway)
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Posted by: mlimberg on Aug 3, 2008 9:30 AM
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Sorry if you paid too much for your house...
Personally I did not, because I used tools called "math"... and did not expect the price of a 100k home would go to 900k in a few years...
Start using your brain America! Are we becoming a nation of ill-function literates?
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Why?
Because...
HOW TO FIGHT FORECLOSURE
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Posted by: HughScott on Aug 2, 2008 6:09 AM
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Call me cold-hearted, but until someone answers that question satisfactorily, I don't have much sympathy for people in foreclosure.
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Posted by: Bobsays on Aug 2, 2008 6:31 AM
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There is too much pooh in the pan and the world economy needs a big flush. Prices need to get back to what things are worth. A three bedroom house in a ghetto is not worth $450,000. Neighbourhoods vary widely, and this idea that a house in a dump is nearly worth the same as one in a nice neighbourhood, is screwed up. Ghetto-bitch houses should only be worth $50,000; nice small bungalows in Beverly Hills, no more than $250,000.
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Posted by: maxpayne on Aug 2, 2008 8:16 AM
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P.S.: Everything made of petroleum can also be made of various plant fibers which have also proven stronger, more durable, and thus longer lasting. Maybe that will lead more people to stop misusing their homes as mere cash cows to buy and sell at whim.
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Posted by: pforth on Aug 2, 2008 9:04 AM
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By bailing out those people who bought homes they couldn't afford you are effectively continuing to prop up over inflated home prices. This is grossly unfair to all the renters out there who are waiting for more reasonable prices before they purchase their first home. For every family who acted irresponsibly by receiving a loan they could not truly afford and is getting kicked out of their home there is another family who has been saving their money and acting responsibly who are waiting to move in. Which family do you believe most deserves to live there?
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Posted by: mike montagne on Aug 2, 2008 10:55 AM
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Where did the money go? It went to service artificially multiplied debt. So much of the circulation is dedicated to servicing artificial multiplication of debt in fact, that we can no longer afford to maintain a circulation by sufficiently re-borrowing what we pay out of the circulation in servicing principal and interest obligations.
How did we get here?
Against promises of the 1912 presidential campaign, we gave up issuance of our currency to private corporations, and to a system which for the *intended* unearned profit of those corporations can only multiply debt in proportion to a vital circulation, as, to maintain a vital circulation, we are obliged to re-borrow principal and interest paid out of the general circulation, as a subsequent sum of debt, perpetually increased so much as periodic interest on the sum of debt.
Thomas Jefferson warned us this would happen 200 years ago. Abraham Lincoln, Benjamin Franklin, Andrew Jackson, John Adams, all warned us of the present consequence of a privatized currency, which does not represent wealth, but instead imposes a process of inherent multiplication of debt, intended instead to dispossess us of wealth.
What is the *singular* solution to 1) inflation and deflation, 2) systemic manipulation of the cost or value of money or property, and 3) inherent, irreversible multiplication of debt by interest to inevitable collapse under a terminal sum of debt? What is the one and one only solution to *all* of the monetary irregularities presently imposed upon us?
It is to issue currency which strictly represents monetary obligations *equal* to the value of the related property, and to pay off the resultant monetary obligation at the rate of consumption or depreciation (which are equivalent).
If the money is subject to interest, it is impossible to solve inflation and deflation, because we are obliged to pay more out of circulation than the value of the related asset, and because maintenance of a circulation itself will multiply the sum of debt until we suffer a terminal sum of debt.
So only if we adopt a form of money which is *not* subject to multiplication of private, unearned profit, can we truly solve these issues.
What is mathematically perfected economy™?
It is a public certification of the private notes of individuals/ventures, which notes are *not* subject to unearned profit of an extrinsic party which contributes nothing to the transaction or merits of the purposed currency of usury.
What happens when we relieve ourselves of this private method of dispossessing us?
A $100,000 home with a hundred-year lifespan is paid off at the overall rate of $1,000 per year, or $83.33 per month.
Why preserve usury, if it can only engender a terminal sum of debt? How many homes would be in foreclosure if we truly solved this problem?
None.
These debts are *purposely* multiplied to such artificial sums as put us on the verge of bankruptcy, because that is the formula for maximizing the unearned profits of so called financial institutions.
These institutions can only "fail" because they are middle-men for the central bank. The money was actually created at virtually no cost whatever; and so there is no justification of interest.
Only in mathematically perfected economy™ is there no inflation, deflation, inherent devaluation of the currency (as ever more of the circulation is dedicated to servicing debt), or inherent, irreversible multiplication of debt, and inherent collapse under an eventual, terminal sum of debt.
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Posted by: blogbooks on Aug 2, 2008 12:40 PM
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Let them pay it I say.
Maybe after another few years of massive foreclosures and home price deflation young people like me will be able to even DREAM of one day owning a home.
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Posted by: douglashoyt on Aug 2, 2008 5:00 PM
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Financially sound bank should take over the bankrupt banks with no bailouts for the "stockholders."
No federal bailouts for any of them. You take the risk, if you make money, good, if you loose money-too bad.
This is how the "free" market is supposed to work.
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Posted by: GreyFoxThree on Aug 3, 2008 6:58 AM
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Posted by: joze46 on Aug 3, 2008 7:06 AM
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Let’s start talking about Phil Gramm.
Wow, Senator Gramm is Mr. Connecto. As an official at Europe’s second largest bank now seeped in this world wide banking fraud which tally in the trillions.
Here, this Gramm guy is considered as a Treasury Secretary by McNuts. You know one could start to believe that the sub prime fraud is simple stuff for a very deep and penetrating money banking scandal with the Iraq War all tied to Bush and Company.
If ever there was a time in real business when Mainstream Media was flying low for the Republican Party it is now. The cable end has zeroed a lot of reporting on this hot stuff, where USB and our Senator Gramm are wading up to his hips in scandal.
This stuff is better than who goosed the Alaska Moose Ted Stevens.
Some how Rockefeller is in this too. Radio city is getting creepy stories about some guy running around calling himself Clark Rockefeller. Or are they all waiting for Clark Kent to appear at the NYT? The Connecticut Jew boy Joe Lieberman is definitely part of this Wall Street gang. Isn’t it funny how USB holds the Guinness record with its largest stock trading floor in a building in Connecticut.
We should not be surprised that Osama Bin Laden will torpedo that building in our current bear market. Dive, dive, dive. Take her down to about a dow of 6000. One needs a lot of space for stock market foolery. Now we all know our tax money also greases wall street in a bear market. McNuts and gang want to buy the stocks when they get really cheap.
For me, at first Senator Mark Levin angered me from what seemed to be a do nothing time for our Senator but after reading and surfing the Internet low and behold the clouds parted the sky opened brightly and maybe just maybe a Senate Committee is doing investigations in “Tax Havens”? One can read estimates of lost tax revenue by the Richie rich to the tune of at least a few trillion dollars form the last decade easy.
With that said and this new found windfall of stolen money, Obama as President can write an executive order for baby boomers to retire immediately supplied biweekly with annuities from this new found slush fund. Plus every American will be Social Securitized beyond the poverty level with a minimum annual retirement value of forty five thousand dollars for life. Oh yes we can…with Health-care too.
That should drive Osama Bin Laden crazy…
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Posted by: lamar on Aug 3, 2008 8:47 AM
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What's the real harm? Bailouts and workouts have the effect of keeping housing prices artificially high. Young couples and working folks would still be priced out of the market. On the other hand, if houses go into foreclosure, the prices fall and housing becomes more affordable again. This simply can't happen if prices aren't allowed to fall.
No good thinking person wishes a foreclosure on anyone. But there should be a distinction between people who have a substantial amount invested in their home, and those who put very little down and have been merely keeping up with the payments. Keeping up with the payments is something renters do, and aside from the emotional distress, they really don't lose as much as everybody loses when housing prices are kept artificially high.
As the article notes, bailouts and workouts are all lender bailouts. As bizarre as it may seem, market forces in a down cycle can actually help those less fortunate. It's the difference between paying $200,000 and $300,000 for the same house.
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Posted by: mike_burns on Aug 3, 2008 9:23 AM
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For whom does the bell toll? It tolls for thee. (Ernest Hemingway)
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Posted by: mlimberg on Aug 3, 2008 9:30 AM
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Sorry if you paid too much for your house...
Personally I did not, because I used tools called "math"... and did not expect the price of a 100k home would go to 900k in a few years...
Start using your brain America! Are we becoming a nation of ill-function literates?
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Why?
Because...
HOW TO FIGHT FORECLOSURE
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