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In a Perfect Storm of Economic Stagflation, the Yachting Set Says: "Let Them Eat Pizza"
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But you're not likely to hear much about that story. Officially, the U.S. hasn't experienced stagflation -- a long period of rising prices amid sluggish economic growth -- since the 1970s. The word conjures up images of gas lines snaking around corners, a weary Jimmy Carter looking droopy and forlorn in the Oval Office and the general sense of "malaise" that sunny old Ronald Reagan exploited so adroitly to give rise to the New Conservative movement.
But looking beyond the official numbers -- the data on growth and inflation that most economic reporters bandy about -- reveals a deeper truth about the American economy. The reality is that those who aren't at the very top or the very bottom of America's economic food chain have been mired in a long period of painful stagflation. But it's a reality that's obscured by the ways in which we measure our nation's economic health.
So while anyone who draws a paycheck knows that prices are rising fast and salaries haven't kept up for a long time, the S-word is never mentioned in our economic discourse. There are two reasons for that. First, a number of government benefits like Social Security payments are indexed to inflation, and since the dawn of the Reagan era, a series of changes were made to the way the government measures it, largely as a back-door way of keeping the growth of entitlements in check without pissing off veterans' groups or the AARP.
Second, while our overall growth has outpaced inflation, America's income has also become much more highly concentrated at the top -- the paychecks of 9 out of 10 Americans have actually declined over the past three decades. It's been Bill Gates and his set who have done extremely well during that time.
As a result of both of these shifts, there's now a significant gap between the economy in which most Americans live and work and the one discussed in the business pages and on the cable news blab-fests.
Inflation Nation
Newsweek tells us that "the situation we're in is nowhere near stagflation." After all, "the Consumer Price Index is rising at a 3 percent annual rate, compared with 13 percent in 1979."
What Newsweek doesn't mention is that the measures of inflation commonly discussed today bear little resemblance to the stats used in the 1970s.
In large part, that's because the Consumer Price Index (CPI) -- the most frequently cited measure of inflation in media reports -- is used to determine government benefits like Social Security, federal and state pensions and Medicare payments. Until the late 1970s, the index was based on a relatively simple formula. Officials took a theoretical "basket of goods" that "typical" consumers required and averaged their current prices. But, as economist John Williams, author of the Shadow Government Statistics newsletter, explains, "miscreant politicians, who were and are intent upon stealing income from social security recipients," made dramatic changes to the way CPI is calculated in the 1980s and 1990s, resulting in a drop in the official inflation rate made with a stroke of the pen and with little fuss from the public.
To gauge what most of us are really experiencing on a day-to-day basis, one might imagine economic reporters relying on a monthly "pizza index" instead of the Consumer Price Index. According to a February report by Al Olson of MSNBC, "Pizza makers have seen their cheese costs soar this year from $1.30 a pound to $1.76 a pound. Even worse, the flour used to make the dough has gone from $3 to $7 a bushel to $25 a bushel in less than a year." Between the second quarters of 2007 and 2008, even the paperboard used to make pizza boxes increased by 8 percent. (Several years of inflation in tomato prices -- for the sauce -- have been blunted by the recent salmonella scare.)
The same is true for a host of items that working America buys every day. Olson wrote, "If you're looking for a sure sign the U.S. economy is headed in the wrong direction, all you need to do is look at the skyrocketing price of 'recession-proof' foods: pizza, hot dogs, bagels and beer." But those items, and other costs that impact ordinary people significantly, are under-counted in the consumer price index.
Beginning in the early 1990s, conservative economists were unhappy that high inflation kept increasing entitlement payments to government employees, vets and the elderly -- whiners and greedy gray-hairs -- and, through some impressive intellectual contortionism, began making adjustments to the way the "official" rate of inflation is measured. They began "weighting" items in the basket differently.
Alan Greenspan argued that it was wrong to compare the price of a pound of steak one year to a pound of steak the next because when steak gets too expensive, people start eating hamburger -- they lead more frugal lives when prices rise, and the cost of inflation should reflect their decisions. But as Williams notes:
Replacing hamburger for steak in the calculations would reduce the inflation rate, but it represented the rate of inflation in terms of maintaining a declining standard of living. Cost of living was being replaced by the cost of survival. The old system told you how much you had to increase your income in order to keep buying steak. The new system promised you hamburger, and then dog food, perhaps, after that [emphasis mine].In the same vein, it was argued that CPI wasn't taking into account the increased enjoyment people got from buying shiny new consumer goods. That new toaster may have cost you 60 percent more than the one you bought just five years ago, but the new one has a computer chip that monitors the internal temperature, and that makes it harder to burn the toast. Therefore, they argued, your happiness at having perfect toast every morning should be factored into the CPI.
In 1995, under Bill Clinton, the Boskin Commission -- led by a former economic adviser to the first President Bush -- was formed to "fix" the way we measure CPI. Changes were quietly made, with little Congressional oversight; ostensibly, they were to improve accuracy, but their net result was a dramatic reduction of the "official" rate of inflation.
So while Newsweek touts our 3 percent annual rate of inflation (5 percent since this spring), the reality is that CPI as it was calculated before the Clinton-era changes went into effect was more than 8 percent last month. And that's not including a whole other set of methodological changes made in 1983 (which I'll get to shortly).
Even more misleading is the "core" inflation rate, used by the Federal Reserve. The "core" rate simply excludes certain "volatile" goods from the basket -- little things like energy and food. It's become increasingly popular among pundits to cite the core numbers in recent years, but with energy and food costs making up about a quarter of most household expenses, it's a poor measure of the economic pain most Americans are feeling. In just the last year (ending in June), food prices increased by more than 5 percent, and energy costs skyrocketed by almost 25 percent.
When it comes to food and energy, we're facing a perfect storm. Increased demand for ethanol is pushing grain prices upward, climate change is depressing yields, the costs of transporting goods to market over ever-greater distances is rising and investors are sheltering their loot against a falling dollar and bursting real estate bubble in the commodities markets. It's all coming together and creating a real squeeze that isn't fully reflected in the official economic statistics.
(Obviously high energy costs do factor into the current CPI formula because they increase the prices of everything moved by truck or ship -- from timber to engine parts to consumer goods. The International Herald Tribune noted in February that global inflation -- which other countries usually measure in the same way they did during the 1970s -- has risen to "historic levels.")
Housing
Until 1983, CPI included the cost of owning a house -- it factored in home prices, mortgage rates and real estate taxes. But in 1983, the Bureau of Labor Statistics -- the agency that crunches all these numbers -- decided to replace the cost of home ownership with rents (actually, a rental equivalent) as the key housing component in the CPI. As home prices ran up higher and higher over the past 10 years, rents remained relatively stable (this, argued economists like Dean Baker, was evidence that the housing boom was in fact a "bubble," untethered from the basic laws of supply and demand).
Consider this graph from the New York Times, and imagine if those home prices that spiraled during the first years of the new century were still the key housing measure in the CPI, as they were in the 1970s:

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While home prices increased dramatically between 1995 and 2005, the "owners' equivalent rent" used to calculate inflation actually declined by a few points.
With all these factors in mind, let's return for one second to Newsweek's calming words. The 13 percent inflation rate they cited (in 1980, not 1979) represented a bit of cherry-picking -- it was a historically high year. The average rate of inflation during the 1970s was just over 7 percent (and 9.75 percent during the Carter years). Williams estimates that CPI understates the actual inflation rate -- the rate as it was calculated before the Reagan era -- by about 7 percent. Here's what the official measure of CPI looks like compared with Williams' inflation rate using the methodologies that existed in 1980:

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It's a controversial claim, but if he's right, inflation in the first eight years of the 21st century has averaged around nine and a half percent -- or 2 percentage points higher than it averaged during the 1970s. Contrast that with the official rate, which increased by an average of only 2.4 percent during that time.
Growth
OK, so prices are high, but what about the other side of stagflation -- anemic growth? Most people still see the American economy as a powerful engine for economic growth, and overall, it has produced modest but steady economic growth, with the exception of a few periods of recession, since the 1970s.
But that's not the whole story. To get a real sense of where we're at in terms of economic growth in America, one needs to understand three points.
First, when people talk about Gross Domestic Product (GDP) -- the size of the economy -- they mean GDP adjusted for inflation. If the rate of inflation is underestimated, as we've seen, then the rate of inflation-adjusted growth will be consistently overstated (I should note that the growth rates I just mentioned were calculated using the same methodology -- apples and apples).
Second, we only talk about "stagflation" over a relatively long term, and all of this is part of a long-term trend. Yes, the Bush years have been terrible for working people -- the period following the last recession was the first "recovery" in which median incomes didn't bounce back -- but overall growth has been sluggish, and declining, for decades. Economist Robert Brenner described what he calls a "long downturn" in the world's most advanced economies. In the 1960s, the G7 economies grew by a steady 5-plus percent annually; in the 1970s, that fell to 3.6 percent, and it has averaged around 3 percent ever since.
In part, this is a consequence of what the activist and social critic Walden Bello calls a "crisis of overproduction." In the booming years after World War II, the wealthy countries, led by the United States, did very well manufacturing goods for the entire planet. But as Japan rose from the ashes, and, later, as production in countries like Taiwan, South Korea and Singapore increased, the industrial world simply started making more crap than there were consumers to purchase it. Bello notes that during the 1990s, the automobile industry cranked out around 70 million new rides each year but could only sell 53 million of them. In his new book, How to Rule the World, Mark Engler quotes a report in The Economist about "the world [being] awash with excess capacity in computer chips, steel, cars, textiles and chemicals."
Engler points out that declining returns on traditional investments in manufacturing and related industries had a lot to do with today's highly speculative economy -- pushing capital into developing countries and into bubble after bubble in search of a better profit margin. This, of course, has led to the well-discussed "hollowing out" of the American economy, as investors went abroad in search of better returns and took much of the United States' manufacturing base with them.
Which leads to the third thing one needs to understand about growth: Growth in GDP -- the most popular measure of economic health -- is almost entirely irrelevant to most people's economic lives. It says almost nothing about the ease or difficulty with which people are making ends meet from month to month and year to year.
That's in large part due to changes in how America's income has been distributed over the past 30 to 40 years. While average incomes have continued to grow along with the size of the economy, the distribution of that income has come to look more and more like what one finds in a banana republic -- with a mega-wealthy elite, an ever-slimmer middle class getting squeezed in every direction, and a poor working class struggling to put food on the table and a roof overhead.
Averages can't tell that story. The most telling analysis -- and the most jarring -- of the long-term economic trends that impact most of us was done by economists Emmanuel Saez and Thomas Piketty. They sliced and diced the American economy, and found that when you lop off those in the top 10 percent of the economic ladder, earnings for the overwhelming majority of Americans actually declined during the 33 years between 1973 and 2006. In 1972, all but the top 10 percent earned, on average, $30,174 dollars per year (in 2006 dollars). In 2006, more than three decades of growth later, that number had fallen to $29,952 (Excel file).
(Some conservatives argue that about half of Americans are "investors" and therefore looking only at income from paychecks, without including gains from the stock market and other investments, doesn't give the whole picture. OK, but ownership in securities is also highly concentrated at the top. If we include capital gains -- income from investments -- and again lop off the top 10 percent, incomes for the remaining 9 out of 10 Americans increased annually by about $39 bucks per year between 1972 and 2006 (in 2006 dollars). That works out to about one-tenth of 1 percent annually -- robust growth, no?)
Now, how can it be that the U.S. economy generates inflation-adjusted growth year after year and most of our incomes have shrunk for more than three decades? The answer is that a larger share of income has been captured by those at the top. In 1972, the top 10 percent grabbed about a third of America's income (including investment income). By 2006, that share had risen to 46.3 percent. In 1972, the top 1 percent of the American public grabbed 8.7 percent of its earned income, and that figure skyrocketed to more than 20 percent in 2006. The Wall Street Journal recently reported that "the richest 1 percent of Americans in 2006 garnered the highest share of the nation's adjusted gross income for two decades, and possibly the highest since 1929."
So, just as our pizza index gave us a better sense of the inflated prices most people are dealing with, perhaps a better way to understand economic growth in recent years is by looking at the "super-yacht index" (which really exists). According to the latest release, "just 241 yachts of 80 feet in length or greater were under construction around the world [in 1997], but by the end of 2007, 916 yachts" were being built. This year, orders for yachts over 130 feet in length -- mega-phalluses of wealth -- were up by 18 percent over last year; according to the president of the Luxury Institute, which compiles the index, "Even in an economic downturn, the global wealth boom is still producing new potential customers at a rapid clip."
If you have the means to consider a mega-yacht purchase, then of course none of this is of much concern to you. But the rest of us are mired in a long era of painful stagflation.
OK, Things Suck and Inequality Reigns, but Why Is Stagflation Important?
The economic paradigm that has guided the world over the past 40 years or so is crashing all around us. We face food shortages, an energy crisis, crises of consumption and overproduction, the prospect of catastrophic climate change and a crisis in the legitimacy of government. They're all intertwined.
In his eye-opening book, Collapse: How Societies Choose to Fail or Succeed, anthropologist Jared Diamond argued that societies don't fall apart because they find themselves faced with daunting challenges; they fall apart when their leaders are unable -- too conservative, too inflexible -- to rise to those challenges and overcome them.
The United States, especially, faces deep structural problems, and there are no quick fixes. Forget about "subprime" loans and economic "slowdowns." Forget about the kind of tinkering around the edges that our political establishment offers as solutions. We need some bold new thinking in order to dig out of these messes. We need new energy solutions and new economic models that place human welfare, rather than abstractions like GDP or the Dow Jones Industrial Average, at their center. We need to make consumption a means to an end rather than a goal unto itself.
But none of that can happen until we accept that our current social and economic arrangements are dysfunctional. As long as decision-makers are tied down to the principles of yesterday's tired old "New Economy" -- the globalized, trickle-down economy touted by Democrats and Republicans alike for the past 30 years -- and as long as the economic pain most of us are dealing with is obscured by suspect measures of inflation and growth, none of that will happen.
"Stagflation" is a powerful concept -- a jarring wake-up call. Reagan launched the modern conservative movement (or at least made its principles dominant) during an era very similar to that in which we live today. The time has come for more progressive solutions, and to use the sense that the country is faced with a general feeling of malaise to do what Reagan did.
Understanding that most of us are soaking in a long period of stagnant growth while struggling to keep up with rising costs is crucial to starting that process.
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Posted by: mmckinl on Jul 31, 2008 12:52 AM
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Just think about it. How does the government get its money? Most it gets through taxes but when we need more we have to borrow it from the privately owned and operated Federal Reserve! Why should we have to borrow money from ourselves and then pay interest on it? It's crazy!
With the creation of a Public Central bank that creates money without interest and the arbitration of credit we would have hundreds of billions probably over a trillion dollars more a year in government receipts!
Liberals and progressives need to start talking about how our money is being created. Without this discussion all other issues become moot as the banks control the very lifeblood of the economy; the money we need to pay for a progressive agenda.
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Posted by: andabottleof_rum on Jul 31, 2008 1:06 AM
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The quote about how inflation statistics today reflect inflation in the context of people downgrading to lesser-quality goods and services was spot on. Of course inflation seems lower when you keep buying cheaper stuff as a way to adapt. This behavior is precisely a reaction to high inflation; using it to argue for low inflation is absurd.
By the way, I called Pizza Hut two weeks ago to order one large two-topping pizza. There were no deals offered on pizzas that day, only on breadsticks. The large two-topping pizza I wanted (pepperoni and sausage) would have cost $17 before tax, tip, and the delivery charge. With these expenses, it would have cost maybe $23. I was shocked when quoted this price.
I didn't buy the pizza.
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» ... and dog food after that.
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Posted by: HeroesAll on Jul 31, 2008 2:45 AM
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After all, that sells a lot of newspapers, there's lots of funerals to be paid for, and undoubtedly there's lots of buying of guns and security systems as a result. All of that is economic activity, and all of that increases the GDP. Good? Not so much.
And that's leaving aside the fact that, even if increasing GDP infinitely meant we all get economic ponies, we still need to face some uncomfortable facts. Such as that we're depleting our resources, particularly important ones like soil, potable water, and marine life, much faster than they can replenish, all in our eagerness to be good little consumers.
GDP, huh. What is it good for? ;-)
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Posted by: Bobsays on Jul 31, 2008 3:30 AM
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And at this level people are making many mistakes. Look at what people do in the developing world. They save and pursue education. They start businesses and support each other via fraternal organisations. But here, people live lives that are fractured, and make the mistake of supporting businesses and people that don't support their best interests.
But I do believe there is too much corruption out there and a big flush is needed to clean it out.
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Posted by: SufiLizard on Jul 31, 2008 4:23 AM
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So how do we get the truth through to the large minority of people who have an intense allergic reaction to the truth.
Keep in mind Republicans only need a large minority in order to steal elections and they keep getting larger-and-larger margins of error.
This article spells it out nicely, but as we've seen over the last decades there is a widening gap between the truth and the perception of reality. Even a lot of Democrats seem to have converted to the religion of radical, neo-liberal fundamentalism.
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Posted by: the man with a dog on Jul 31, 2008 4:25 AM
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Yesterday British Gas with around 3 million customers has told them their bills will be increased by 35% with immediate effect.
Petrol is over five pounds a gallon which is eqiuvalent of ten of your US dollars.
Last week I was touring Somerset and went in a pub for a drink,I made conversation with a gentleman from Texas.His wife asked for a coke and all the guy could talk about was that his coke had cost him ONE AND A HALF POUNDS!! Or three of your dollars.
Welcome to the UK
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Posted by: Purple Girl on Jul 31, 2008 4:32 AM
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So when Mac tells me about all his years of 'experience' I consider that statement a reassurance to the Corps, that he will continue the gutting of American jobs, continue to allow their tax loop holes which negate having Jobs here for American Workers.
Sen McCain should be made accutely aware- that those of US of the 'Rust Belt', esp Mi the 'Rust Buckle' have suffered from his type of experience for the last 30 yrs!
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Posted by: Mister_PsyOps on Jul 31, 2008 6:22 AM
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Ah, but it's a sweet racket.
Especially for what George Carlin called “the owners” otherwise known as the old parasite ruling class .
With such "friend" deadbeat Fascist jackals on all sides of a Washington-MSM axis supposedly looking out for the "little guy", who needs enemies.
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Posted by: Urgelt on Jul 31, 2008 6:45 AM
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There's one more (related) economic topic that deserves mention, in the context of understated inflation and overstated economic growth (which is really economic contraction, since our real inflation rate is much higher than reported by the Federal Government).
The money supply.
Since Reagan took office, the Fed has been gushing money into the economy at an astonishing rate. I think this is, at core, the principle reason for all of the bubbles we've seen, and it's a factor in the real rate of inflation. There are too many dollars chasing too few assets.
So long as foreign currency buyers were willing to absorb the excess, the dollar's decline has been slow. But foreign currency buyers may be becoming wary - as well they should, as the total supply of dollars continues to rise. Those dollars represent a national economy which is actually contracting and has been contracting for a long time.
I'm afraid a panic sell-off of dollars in the international community is a real danger in the near future. It wouldn't take much to get one started. If Saudi Arabia decided to accept payment for oil in euros instead of dollars, or if China decided to suddenly dump large amounts of dollars on the currency markets, we'd be off to the races.
Think stagflation is unpleasant? A dollar panic could trigger hyperinflation - a condition in which currency becomes almost completely uncoupled from asset valuations.
If that happens, people walking around Wall Street better use steel umbrellas. It'll be raining financial executives.
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Posted by: brunowe on Jul 31, 2008 6:59 AM
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Second, your point about the impact of measuring rental expenses as opposed to housing expenses is a good one. However, my understanding is that the ratio of owner-occupied to non-owner-occupied (and presumably rented) housing is about 2-1. Wouldn't a weighted average of the price numbers be suitable here?
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Posted by: ReallyBearish on Jul 31, 2008 1:00 PM
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If you want to take out "volatility" out of the numbers there's a simple, and far more valid way to do it. Do what stock analysts do: take a "moving average" of the numbers over time. Instead of depending on a monthly number, you take an average over a longer period of time, say, 200 days. The statistical "noise" is removed without doing the damage to the validity of the measure as taking out key elements.
You'll also note that the BLS uses a lot of "corrective" measures to remove variance from the numbers, almost to the silly point. "Statistical smoothing" a few months back had gas prices falling when they had actually spiked up. One might question their motives.
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Posted by: drricklippin on Jul 31, 2008 7:07 AM
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Very well done. Needs to be distributed as widely as possible
How can I/WE help?
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The enormous gap between the rich and the poor has been enabled by sold-out public "servants" under the guise of protection from the free market exchange of goods and services.
I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs.
- Thomas Jefferson
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Posted by: Lifesabeach on Jul 31, 2008 7:47 AM
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Recently the Dalai Lama stated his political bent in his speech in Aspen saying that he is a proponent of Marxism versus a totalitarian leadership or a capitalist system. He notes the advantages for only the elite in this type of government. Bush has tipped the scales so far that we no longer have a balance of power! Are we feeling it? I think so!
Read more about how the French changed their Olagarchic circumstances here:
www.marxist.com/french-revolution-may-1968-part-one.htm
With the ability to communicate via blogging, emailing, and grassroots organizations like MoveOn.org - we should be able to easily organize a revolution. To send a message to our corrupt government [Impeach the entire administration and send them to jail!]
march beginning Labor Day Sept 1st to march and shut down our government. Let's continue and be sure to include signs for multiple facets of our economic and tyrannical issues! See below:
I think it would be great to carry signs about trying our administration for War Crimes on the same dates as the AGENDA FOR THE "JUSTICE ROBERT H. JACKSON CONFERENCE":PLANNING FOR THE PROSECUTION OF HIGH LEVEL AMERICAN WAR CRIMINALS
September 13 - 14, 2008 in Andover, Massachusetts! http://war-crimes.info/agenda.html
[Thank you to previous posts!]
We have the power to end this Bush-Regime Corporate Military Industrial Complex American Empire! [Read all about it here: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/848549/posts]
All we have to do is organize and take action. History has shown non-violent protest to be much more powerful and effective than any war!
Imagine if we flooded the streets and refused to work! Before the election! We can stand strong and shut down the entire country, demanding justice and equality for the lower and middle class!
Worried about the democrats not listening and having the courage to stand up? Why wait? We can stand up!
Both parties will be forced to listen to us. We will have their attention before we give them our vote. Without us blue collar slaves -well, the military industrial complex just can't run now can it?
Maybe we can even shut down the war in Iraq! It's time for a living wage and universal health care!
Join me and spread the word. Let's march in the streets on September 13 and 14th to begin with...let's invent our own "little" non-violent, but effective revolution! Thank you, France! Good idea!
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Posted by: williameon on Jul 31, 2008 7:59 AM
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BU__! SH__! DOLLAR
Fix the fundamental flaws in the system.
Deny Corporations any Human Rights.
Why should capital appendages have any human rights?
Kick the Lobbyists out of Washington
Broaden the Representation in our Government to include all citizens, rich and poor.
Level the playing field!
Take the money out of politics.
Publicly fund all elections.
Break up the Media Monopolies.
One outlet in one market
Open the airwaves to local independent media.
Require all media to give equal time to all candidates as a public service.
The Media must present all sides of an argument.
Reverse all Privatization of our Military and Government.
Rescind the Bush Tax cuts for the Rich.
Purge the system of Bush’s shills.
Convicted criminals have no rights to appoint Judges.
Close all the Corporate Loop holes, end the Corporate welfare, Tax any windfall profits and Tax all Corporations doing business in America, foreign or domestic.
Reverse all of Bush’s signing statements.
Reinstate the 400 Pollution laws he stripped.
End the War.
Bring the Militia home and
Kick the Dark Army out.
End genetic manipulation.
Strengthen the Constitution and broaden the Bill of Rights to include these Human Rights:
The Right to:
Clean Air
Pure Water
Renewable Energy Resources
Fresh organic fruits and vegetables
Health Care
A livable wage and
Shelter.
Reaffirm our Positive, Creative, Progressive, Goals and Ideals.
Peace, Cooperation, Helpfulness, Brotherly Love, Compassion and Patience!
Issue a new currency: The United States Note.
Good for a set amount of labor and or commodity.
Repatriate all Energy and Precious metal resources for National Security.
Initiate the Green Revolution:
Complete American Energy Independence within 10 years.
Effect higher efficiency standards on everything we build and produce.
Produce the EVII plug in electric car.
Create a national Health care System.
Institute a living wage.
Put America Back to work, rebuilding our infrastructure,
Building the Factories and Industries of tomorrow, today.
Create a master plan that decentralizes food, manufacturing and energy production.
Local is better.
Cut out the Corpirate middle man,
All he creates is dependency!
It is inefficient.
Produce what we need individually locally.
Create completely decentralized system that emphasizes Higher Efficiency Standards, Self Sufficiency and Conservation.
There is a lot of work to be done.
A clear path is before us.
There is only one thing left, to make the decision.
Change or more of the same.
Two Roads diverged in America on November 4th 2008
I will take the one that leads to Economic Independence and FREEDOM.
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Posted by: mrxls on Jul 31, 2008 9:27 AM
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Economic inequality issues start with the difference between the tax rates on capital gains and capital accumulation vs taxes on labor. (the hedge fund managers tax rate and California's prop 13 applying to corporate property are egregious examples of this).
Economic inefficiency includes subsidies to businesses & agriculture (and now under water home owners).
Fears - excessive security, police and especially incarceration - plus the military budget (which includes those delusions as well).
Think of what portion of the population will have to give up advantages should a program leveling all these playing fields be implemented. Might include 20-25% of all families.
I don't know if our society has the wisdom to allow politicans to vote against the narrow interest of overly vocal constituents for the common good.
I do think the country has the strenght to generate sufficient economic activity for the vast majority of people to live well. But the incentives in the system need to be changed in such a way that millions will have to make major changes in their lives in order for this to happen. And the millions who will be hurt (or challenged) are more focused and politicaly conected than most.
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Posted by: mnstra on Jul 31, 2008 10:45 AM
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Are you driving 55mph?
Good tale however about a group of people riding in an old west stage coach. That stage line had had frequent hold ups at gun point. The outlaws of today however are The ruling elite and corps., banks etc.They are the masked men. Make no mistake what you are writing about is good old fashion hold ups of the present century. Highway robbery by entities not wearing bandannas, but stock symbols.
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Posted by: TJColatrella on Jul 31, 2008 11:11 AM
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We haven't seen the worst of it by far not yet not by a long shot...
I happened to catch a couple of the top investment house bosses broadcasting form Europe late last night they were speaking of the Merill Lynch right down and feel that's is only the beginning of things and that many hedge funds will jump in soon and begin to further cannibalize our economy as well as much if not all of Europe's...
As many as 150 America banks may fail and the InyMac Bank rescue alone used up 25% of the FDIC Reserve...
So just imagine how bad it may actually get..and if even 100 banks fail...let alone 150...
Of course the removal of regulations allowed most of this to happen and this is due to the Republicans fetish for deregulation..
Deregulation another word for lawlessness..
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Posted by: willymack on Jul 31, 2008 11:15 AM
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Posted by: Spiritgirl on Jul 31, 2008 11:41 AM
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While I believe that a vast majority of Americans realize that something is wrong the fact that they can continue to purchase at Wal-Mart belies the reality of what is. The truth is that thanks to the "Big Box" superstores, the little mom & pop stores have gone under (unfortunately), but, the "items" that are sold are of poor quality indeed!
An example is last year I ran out of the webbing for my weed whacker, so I go to "big box" home improvement store to get another, lo and behold they no longer carry the part (of course they were extremely interested in selling me another one). I've noticed that more and more items that I go to buy (humidifier filters, parts for my lawnmower, etc.), the less I am able to find the replacements for them.
I am tired of hearing the same trite, revisionist, pathological lies from those conservatives that are more invested on Wall Street than on Main Street! We do need a bold vision of what we as a society can look like when we work together (irrespective of personal differences).
Can we all just roll up our sleeves and collectively work for that?
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In addition, as many women involuntarily entered the workplace during this period to help keep the family above water as their husbands' wages fell, even more paid services were need to compensate for what women used to do for free: maintaining the children, home, and belongings; caring for elderly relatives; volunteering at local hospitals and other charities.
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These types of AlterNet articles are the best, and as always, AlterNet is my absolute favorite website; I’ve learned to change certain aspects of my life in part through reading AlterNet and MSM is dangerous and a waste of time.
Two other recent articles I have yet to finish (when I get a break) but have shared with others:
Nightmare on Wall Street: Washington Can't Bail out the Sea of Red Ink
http://www.alternet.org/workplace/92286/
Naomi Klein: Bush Sees Crises in Fuel, Food, Housing and Banking as Chance to Exploit Us More
http://www.alternet.org/workplace/91656/
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Posted by: Bearzerker on Aug 3, 2008 1:04 PM
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whatever the buzzword of the day wants to call it, the end product is always the same
and that is a realignment of wealth back to the status quo!
The Noveau Riche are damned along with the rest of us...
This is a hidden tax that all pay to bubble busters regardless of
nationality, income bracket or education!
and is why some government regulation is needed to protect us
from capital vultures that will go to any lengths including bubble busting in order to make a buck!
A lot of wealth is now offshore non-taxable and non-reportable
and must be taken into account as well.
Complete currency devaluation isn't beyond the possibilities of manipulators to achieve an end game
so... how does all these new dynamics fit into the current model/formula of wealth distribution and redistribution during collapses.
The only way to truly recognize wealth is by realizing that's its based in people, organizations, resources available and the visions possible, money isn't wealth, its just another manipulated commodity, that can only be manipulated by the uber-elites.
just my 2cents worth...
and now I can breathe again
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Posted by: mmckinl on Jul 31, 2008 12:52 AM
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Just think about it. How does the government get its money? Most it gets through taxes but when we need more we have to borrow it from the privately owned and operated Federal Reserve! Why should we have to borrow money from ourselves and then pay interest on it? It's crazy!
With the creation of a Public Central bank that creates money without interest and the arbitration of credit we would have hundreds of billions probably over a trillion dollars more a year in government receipts!
Liberals and progressives need to start talking about how our money is being created. Without this discussion all other issues become moot as the banks control the very lifeblood of the economy; the money we need to pay for a progressive agenda.
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» RE: xcellent Essay About Money Inflation and Distribution : Read about Colonial Money!
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» Colonial Scrip had its own flaws. Read about Mathematically Perfected Economy.
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» The FED is absolutely not the issue. Shrinking the money supply will cause a deep depression.
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» Suck the money up and suffer. Lousy solution, but what else?
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» RE: The FED is absolutely the issue.
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» The FED is ABSOLUTELY the issue, BECAUSE IT SHRINKS THE MONEY SUPPLY
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» I've never seen so many paid metal standard trolls. Their CATO handlers must be spending a fortune!
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» Social Credit theory
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» Social Credit Theory HAS BEEN INVALIDATED
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» Gold Standards mean chronic unemployment with no real guarantee of stable prices or exchange rates
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» Congress passes the laws, the President has Treasury, both set the tone for policy
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» RE: Gold Standard means an apolitical constraint on global money supply...
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» Gadzooks, your posts are factually incorrect, awkward, and silly.
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» RE: Yellow, that's gazooks, if you'd be so kind...
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» I am a bit conflicted by what you are saying, gazooks
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Posted by: andabottleof_rum on Jul 31, 2008 1:06 AM
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The quote about how inflation statistics today reflect inflation in the context of people downgrading to lesser-quality goods and services was spot on. Of course inflation seems lower when you keep buying cheaper stuff as a way to adapt. This behavior is precisely a reaction to high inflation; using it to argue for low inflation is absurd.
By the way, I called Pizza Hut two weeks ago to order one large two-topping pizza. There were no deals offered on pizzas that day, only on breadsticks. The large two-topping pizza I wanted (pepperoni and sausage) would have cost $17 before tax, tip, and the delivery charge. With these expenses, it would have cost maybe $23. I was shocked when quoted this price.
I didn't buy the pizza.
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» ... and dog food after that.
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» RE: xcellent article: the statistics are refreshing.
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Posted by: HeroesAll on Jul 31, 2008 2:45 AM
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After all, that sells a lot of newspapers, there's lots of funerals to be paid for, and undoubtedly there's lots of buying of guns and security systems as a result. All of that is economic activity, and all of that increases the GDP. Good? Not so much.
And that's leaving aside the fact that, even if increasing GDP infinitely meant we all get economic ponies, we still need to face some uncomfortable facts. Such as that we're depleting our resources, particularly important ones like soil, potable water, and marine life, much faster than they can replenish, all in our eagerness to be good little consumers.
GDP, huh. What is it good for? ;-)
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Posted by: Bobsays on Jul 31, 2008 3:30 AM
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And at this level people are making many mistakes. Look at what people do in the developing world. They save and pursue education. They start businesses and support each other via fraternal organisations. But here, people live lives that are fractured, and make the mistake of supporting businesses and people that don't support their best interests.
But I do believe there is too much corruption out there and a big flush is needed to clean it out.
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Posted by: SufiLizard on Jul 31, 2008 4:23 AM
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So how do we get the truth through to the large minority of people who have an intense allergic reaction to the truth.
Keep in mind Republicans only need a large minority in order to steal elections and they keep getting larger-and-larger margins of error.
This article spells it out nicely, but as we've seen over the last decades there is a widening gap between the truth and the perception of reality. Even a lot of Democrats seem to have converted to the religion of radical, neo-liberal fundamentalism.
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Posted by: the man with a dog on Jul 31, 2008 4:25 AM
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Yesterday British Gas with around 3 million customers has told them their bills will be increased by 35% with immediate effect.
Petrol is over five pounds a gallon which is eqiuvalent of ten of your US dollars.
Last week I was touring Somerset and went in a pub for a drink,I made conversation with a gentleman from Texas.His wife asked for a coke and all the guy could talk about was that his coke had cost him ONE AND A HALF POUNDS!! Or three of your dollars.
Welcome to the UK
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Posted by: Purple Girl on Jul 31, 2008 4:32 AM
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So when Mac tells me about all his years of 'experience' I consider that statement a reassurance to the Corps, that he will continue the gutting of American jobs, continue to allow their tax loop holes which negate having Jobs here for American Workers.
Sen McCain should be made accutely aware- that those of US of the 'Rust Belt', esp Mi the 'Rust Buckle' have suffered from his type of experience for the last 30 yrs!
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Posted by: Mister_PsyOps on Jul 31, 2008 6:22 AM
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Ah, but it's a sweet racket.
Especially for what George Carlin called “the owners” otherwise known as the old parasite ruling class .
With such "friend" deadbeat Fascist jackals on all sides of a Washington-MSM axis supposedly looking out for the "little guy", who needs enemies.
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Posted by: Urgelt on Jul 31, 2008 6:45 AM
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There's one more (related) economic topic that deserves mention, in the context of understated inflation and overstated economic growth (which is really economic contraction, since our real inflation rate is much higher than reported by the Federal Government).
The money supply.
Since Reagan took office, the Fed has been gushing money into the economy at an astonishing rate. I think this is, at core, the principle reason for all of the bubbles we've seen, and it's a factor in the real rate of inflation. There are too many dollars chasing too few assets.
So long as foreign currency buyers were willing to absorb the excess, the dollar's decline has been slow. But foreign currency buyers may be becoming wary - as well they should, as the total supply of dollars continues to rise. Those dollars represent a national economy which is actually contracting and has been contracting for a long time.
I'm afraid a panic sell-off of dollars in the international community is a real danger in the near future. It wouldn't take much to get one started. If Saudi Arabia decided to accept payment for oil in euros instead of dollars, or if China decided to suddenly dump large amounts of dollars on the currency markets, we'd be off to the races.
Think stagflation is unpleasant? A dollar panic could trigger hyperinflation - a condition in which currency becomes almost completely uncoupled from asset valuations.
If that happens, people walking around Wall Street better use steel umbrellas. It'll be raining financial executives.
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» Opportunity in the Collapse?
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Posted by: brunowe on Jul 31, 2008 6:59 AM
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Second, your point about the impact of measuring rental expenses as opposed to housing expenses is a good one. However, my understanding is that the ratio of owner-occupied to non-owner-occupied (and presumably rented) housing is about 2-1. Wouldn't a weighted average of the price numbers be suitable here?
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Posted by: ReallyBearish on Jul 31, 2008 1:00 PM
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If you want to take out "volatility" out of the numbers there's a simple, and far more valid way to do it. Do what stock analysts do: take a "moving average" of the numbers over time. Instead of depending on a monthly number, you take an average over a longer period of time, say, 200 days. The statistical "noise" is removed without doing the damage to the validity of the measure as taking out key elements.
You'll also note that the BLS uses a lot of "corrective" measures to remove variance from the numbers, almost to the silly point. "Statistical smoothing" a few months back had gas prices falling when they had actually spiked up. One might question their motives.
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» Moving averages are a generally good method but not when energy and food prices are chronically high
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» Complete nonsense!
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» I got my information from Mike Masters' testimony before the US Senate. Tell him he knows nothing!!
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» You listen to a hedge fund manager?!!!
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» Personal attacks on Mike Masters don't make an argument valid. He is honest and analytically astute.
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» Again, you avoided answering my questions
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» RE: Again, you avoided answering my questions
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» Your information is DEAD WRONG!!!!
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Posted by: drricklippin on Jul 31, 2008 7:07 AM
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Very well done. Needs to be distributed as widely as possible
How can I/WE help?
Dr. Rick Lippin
Southampton,Pa
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» RE: EXCELLENT SUMMARY AND CALL TO ACTION!
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Posted by: dover23 on Jul 31, 2008 7:07 AM
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The enormous gap between the rich and the poor has been enabled by sold-out public "servants" under the guise of protection from the free market exchange of goods and services.
I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs.
- Thomas Jefferson
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Posted by: Lifesabeach on Jul 31, 2008 7:47 AM
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Recently the Dalai Lama stated his political bent in his speech in Aspen saying that he is a proponent of Marxism versus a totalitarian leadership or a capitalist system. He notes the advantages for only the elite in this type of government. Bush has tipped the scales so far that we no longer have a balance of power! Are we feeling it? I think so!
Read more about how the French changed their Olagarchic circumstances here:
www.marxist.com/french-revolution-may-1968-part-one.htm
With the ability to communicate via blogging, emailing, and grassroots organizations like MoveOn.org - we should be able to easily organize a revolution. To send a message to our corrupt government [Impeach the entire administration and send them to jail!]
march beginning Labor Day Sept 1st to march and shut down our government. Let's continue and be sure to include signs for multiple facets of our economic and tyrannical issues! See below:
I think it would be great to carry signs about trying our administration for War Crimes on the same dates as the AGENDA FOR THE "JUSTICE ROBERT H. JACKSON CONFERENCE":PLANNING FOR THE PROSECUTION OF HIGH LEVEL AMERICAN WAR CRIMINALS
September 13 - 14, 2008 in Andover, Massachusetts! http://war-crimes.info/agenda.html
[Thank you to previous posts!]
We have the power to end this Bush-Regime Corporate Military Industrial Complex American Empire! [Read all about it here: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/848549/posts]
All we have to do is organize and take action. History has shown non-violent protest to be much more powerful and effective than any war!
Imagine if we flooded the streets and refused to work! Before the election! We can stand strong and shut down the entire country, demanding justice and equality for the lower and middle class!
Worried about the democrats not listening and having the courage to stand up? Why wait? We can stand up!
Both parties will be forced to listen to us. We will have their attention before we give them our vote. Without us blue collar slaves -well, the military industrial complex just can't run now can it?
Maybe we can even shut down the war in Iraq! It's time for a living wage and universal health care!
Join me and spread the word. Let's march in the streets on September 13 and 14th to begin with...let's invent our own "little" non-violent, but effective revolution! Thank you, France! Good idea!
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Posted by: williameon on Jul 31, 2008 7:59 AM
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BU__! SH__! DOLLAR
Fix the fundamental flaws in the system.
Deny Corporations any Human Rights.
Why should capital appendages have any human rights?
Kick the Lobbyists out of Washington
Broaden the Representation in our Government to include all citizens, rich and poor.
Level the playing field!
Take the money out of politics.
Publicly fund all elections.
Break up the Media Monopolies.
One outlet in one market
Open the airwaves to local independent media.
Require all media to give equal time to all candidates as a public service.
The Media must present all sides of an argument.
Reverse all Privatization of our Military and Government.
Rescind the Bush Tax cuts for the Rich.
Purge the system of Bush’s shills.
Convicted criminals have no rights to appoint Judges.
Close all the Corporate Loop holes, end the Corporate welfare, Tax any windfall profits and Tax all Corporations doing business in America, foreign or domestic.
Reverse all of Bush’s signing statements.
Reinstate the 400 Pollution laws he stripped.
End the War.
Bring the Militia home and
Kick the Dark Army out.
End genetic manipulation.
Strengthen the Constitution and broaden the Bill of Rights to include these Human Rights:
The Right to:
Clean Air
Pure Water
Renewable Energy Resources
Fresh organic fruits and vegetables
Health Care
A livable wage and
Shelter.
Reaffirm our Positive, Creative, Progressive, Goals and Ideals.
Peace, Cooperation, Helpfulness, Brotherly Love, Compassion and Patience!
Issue a new currency: The United States Note.
Good for a set amount of labor and or commodity.
Repatriate all Energy and Precious metal resources for National Security.
Initiate the Green Revolution:
Complete American Energy Independence within 10 years.
Effect higher efficiency standards on everything we build and produce.
Produce the EVII plug in electric car.
Create a national Health care System.
Institute a living wage.
Put America Back to work, rebuilding our infrastructure,
Building the Factories and Industries of tomorrow, today.
Create a master plan that decentralizes food, manufacturing and energy production.
Local is better.
Cut out the Corpirate middle man,
All he creates is dependency!
It is inefficient.
Produce what we need individually locally.
Create completely decentralized system that emphasizes Higher Efficiency Standards, Self Sufficiency and Conservation.
There is a lot of work to be done.
A clear path is before us.
There is only one thing left, to make the decision.
Change or more of the same.
Two Roads diverged in America on November 4th 2008
I will take the one that leads to Economic Independence and FREEDOM.
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Posted by: Gravitas on Jul 31, 2008 9:04 AM
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Posted by: mrxls on Jul 31, 2008 9:27 AM
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Economic inequality issues start with the difference between the tax rates on capital gains and capital accumulation vs taxes on labor. (the hedge fund managers tax rate and California's prop 13 applying to corporate property are egregious examples of this).
Economic inefficiency includes subsidies to businesses & agriculture (and now under water home owners).
Fears - excessive security, police and especially incarceration - plus the military budget (which includes those delusions as well).
Think of what portion of the population will have to give up advantages should a program leveling all these playing fields be implemented. Might include 20-25% of all families.
I don't know if our society has the wisdom to allow politicans to vote against the narrow interest of overly vocal constituents for the common good.
I do think the country has the strenght to generate sufficient economic activity for the vast majority of people to live well. But the incentives in the system need to be changed in such a way that millions will have to make major changes in their lives in order for this to happen. And the millions who will be hurt (or challenged) are more focused and politicaly conected than most.
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Posted by: kww355 on Jul 31, 2008 10:06 AM
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Posted by: mnstra on Jul 31, 2008 10:45 AM
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Are you driving 55mph?
Good tale however about a group of people riding in an old west stage coach. That stage line had had frequent hold ups at gun point. The outlaws of today however are The ruling elite and corps., banks etc.They are the masked men. Make no mistake what you are writing about is good old fashion hold ups of the present century. Highway robbery by entities not wearing bandannas, but stock symbols.
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Posted by: ReallyBearish on Jul 31, 2008 11:05 AM
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Posted by: TJColatrella on Jul 31, 2008 11:11 AM
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We haven't seen the worst of it by far not yet not by a long shot...
I happened to catch a couple of the top investment house bosses broadcasting form Europe late last night they were speaking of the Merill Lynch right down and feel that's is only the beginning of things and that many hedge funds will jump in soon and begin to further cannibalize our economy as well as much if not all of Europe's...
As many as 150 America banks may fail and the InyMac Bank rescue alone used up 25% of the FDIC Reserve...
So just imagine how bad it may actually get..and if even 100 banks fail...let alone 150...
Of course the removal of regulations allowed most of this to happen and this is due to the Republicans fetish for deregulation..
Deregulation another word for lawlessness..
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Posted by: willymack on Jul 31, 2008 11:15 AM
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Posted by: Spiritgirl on Jul 31, 2008 11:41 AM
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While I believe that a vast majority of Americans realize that something is wrong the fact that they can continue to purchase at Wal-Mart belies the reality of what is. The truth is that thanks to the "Big Box" superstores, the little mom & pop stores have gone under (unfortunately), but, the "items" that are sold are of poor quality indeed!
An example is last year I ran out of the webbing for my weed whacker, so I go to "big box" home improvement store to get another, lo and behold they no longer carry the part (of course they were extremely interested in selling me another one). I've noticed that more and more items that I go to buy (humidifier filters, parts for my lawnmower, etc.), the less I am able to find the replacements for them.
I am tired of hearing the same trite, revisionist, pathological lies from those conservatives that are more invested on Wall Street than on Main Street! We do need a bold vision of what we as a society can look like when we work together (irrespective of personal differences).
Can we all just roll up our sleeves and collectively work for that?
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Posted by: RadCenter on Jul 31, 2008 2:30 PM
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In addition, as many women involuntarily entered the workplace during this period to help keep the family above water as their husbands' wages fell, even more paid services were need to compensate for what women used to do for free: maintaining the children, home, and belongings; caring for elderly relatives; volunteering at local hospitals and other charities.
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Posted by: dougo on Jul 31, 2008 6:38 PM
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Posted by: Overburdened Planet on Aug 1, 2008 4:54 AM
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These types of AlterNet articles are the best, and as always, AlterNet is my absolute favorite website; I’ve learned to change certain aspects of my life in part through reading AlterNet and MSM is dangerous and a waste of time.
Two other recent articles I have yet to finish (when I get a break) but have shared with others:
Nightmare on Wall Street: Washington Can't Bail out the Sea of Red Ink
http://www.alternet.org/workplace/92286/
Naomi Klein: Bush Sees Crises in Fuel, Food, Housing and Banking as Chance to Exploit Us More
http://www.alternet.org/workplace/91656/
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Posted by: Animal on Aug 1, 2008 11:27 AM
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Posted by: mike_burns on Aug 2, 2008 5:33 PM
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Posted by: ronheri on Aug 2, 2008 7:08 PM
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Posted by: Bearzerker on Aug 3, 2008 1:04 PM
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whatever the buzzword of the day wants to call it, the end product is always the same
and that is a realignment of wealth back to the status quo!
The Noveau Riche are damned along with the rest of us...
This is a hidden tax that all pay to bubble busters regardless of
nationality, income bracket or education!
and is why some government regulation is needed to protect us
from capital vultures that will go to any lengths including bubble busting in order to make a buck!
A lot of wealth is now offshore non-taxable and non-reportable
and must be taken into account as well.
Complete currency devaluation isn't beyond the possibilities of manipulators to achieve an end game
so... how does all these new dynamics fit into the current model/formula of wealth distribution and redistribution during collapses.
The only way to truly recognize wealth is by realizing that's its based in people, organizations, resources available and the visions possible, money isn't wealth, its just another manipulated commodity, that can only be manipulated by the uber-elites.
just my 2cents worth...
and now I can breathe again
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