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Are Fannie and Freddie Screwed? Bush Hopes So
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In January, I wrote a cultural analysis of the Federal National Mortgage Association and the Federal Home Loan Mortgage Corporation, more casually known as Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, and how the Bush administration might be trying to take them down. Ex-CEO Franklin Delano Raines was in court and accusing Bush of what the Washington Post described as "a coordinated plan within the Bush administration to depress Fannie Mae's stock price," which would have gotten more play in the press were it not for the fact that Raines was accused by Fannie Mae's overseer, the Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight (OFHEO), of skimming millions off the top for himself. The soap opera thickened under the weight of the fact that OFHEO director James B. Lockhart was not only a Bush contributor but a loyalist who went to school with him at Yale. And while the two parties, and their political parties, waged war with each other over control of two government-sponsored entities, the housing meltdown caught serious fire.
It has since cratered.
But my piece fell on deaf ears, except for those belonging to motivated professional and armchair economists who love to explore the nether regions of history, finance and hyperreality. Because hyperreality is exactly what the rampant securitization of the debt and housing markets has wrought since George W. Bush took office and, paraphrasing popular stock blowhard Jim Cramer, set about destroying the decades-old lender for good, plunging yet another knife into the back of not Franklin Delano Raines, but Franklin Delano Roosevelt, and his New Deal.
So here we are, months later, and the shit has hit the fan. The world, it seems, has awoken to the fact that Fannie and Freddie own trillions in worthless debt, which will need to be owned, which is to say bought, by the government rather than the shareholders who ditched them. And although CNN fool Glenn Beck may still want to attack FDR for nationalizing finance, it is neither his nor the American people's fault that the banks pimped corrupt schemes like CDOs and SIVs. It is those banks, and their accessories in the real estate and finance markets, that logged trillions in inflated debt without checking to see if the money was going to ever really come in.
After all, as I argued in the earlier piece, FDR defeated Hitler, Mussolini and the Great Depression by pulling the nation together, rather than tearing it apart. That latter fuck-up has been left to the Bush administration's economic and geopolitical gamesmanship.
If you're going to know anything about Fannie and Freddie, know this: They used to be government agencies and were created to help responsible Americans get loans for houses. In 1968, they were privatized and therefore deregulated, which is to say, profitable for the few and corrupt for the many. As Paul Krugman puts it in the otherwise weak analysis "Fannie, Freddie and the Threat of Economic Meltdown," "Profits are privatized but losses are socialized."
The problem is that Fannie and Freddie still carry the imprimatur of the government, offering options that no other lending institutions can offer. In other words, they talk private but walk public. Because of the implicit guarantee that the government would bail them out, which it is now going to have to do, they never had to raise enough cash to cover their asse(t)s. They didn't have to insure their solvency with actual liquidity, just crunch numbers in hyperreal stratagems and come out ahead. This is primarily why they are an epicenter of politicized appointments and economic corruption.
They are the ultimate rich asshole's playground. Do whatever you want, they invite, and the maid will clean it up. Go ahead and trash the place. Daddy's got cash.
Except he doesn't. The maid, in this instance, is you and I, who have been subsidizing the shenanigans of the Bush administration and its colluders in government, realty and finance. They admittedly hatched a daring plan: Even if you were smart enough not to drink the housing Kool-Aid, you're still going to pay, a lot. At last report, Fannie and Freddie held nearly $5 trillion in mortgage debt; add that to the taxpayers' books, and America's public debt skyrockets by 50 percent. Meanwhile, the executives, hedge funders, bankers and further suits feeding at the trough make off with billions in subsidies, earnings and bonuses, leaving the public and its once-proud lending institutions for dead.
"[Bush] probably just said, "We have banks, good banks, like Washington Mutual and Countrywide; why do we need Fannie Mae, which just makes money for the Democrats?'" posits Cramer in "An Elegy for Fannie and Freddie." "So, over a multiyear scheme, he hamstrung the agencies and let the private banks take over lending and securitizing pretty much anything."
Once the dust settles, those banks, and their customers and shareholders, might be as screwed as Americans who have to now watch their public debt jump by half because of scams they couldn't sort out, even if they had the right calculators. Only days ago, the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation assumed control of the bridge bank IndyMac, which was founded by hated housing fire starters Countrywide Financial, as panicked depositors fought cops and each other trying to withdraw their money. Earlier this year, the Federal Reserve abandoned decades of practice and started directly lending to the dirty investment banks, brokering a deal that gave the corrupt Bear Stearns to Lehman for a song. It was a disastrous move that matched nicely with the Fed's cushy interest-rate policy. Today, the Securities and Exchange Commission blocked the short-selling, naked and otherwise, of Fannie and Freddie shares, and is considering extending the practice to the market at large.
Meanwhile, a bottom to the madness and loss is nowhere in sight, just in time for the election. Mission accomplished? You bet. The White House always wins.
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Posted by: mmckinl on Jul 21, 2008 12:23 AM
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No, our Democratic Chairmans Barney Frank and Chris Dodd are giving the bankers everything thing they can at the tax payers expense which could add up to a trillion or more come the reckoning while any money made along the way all goes into the bankers pockets already stuffed with the blood money they made making fraudulent loans.
With Democrats like this who needs enemies? Vote Green ...
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» FINALLY, SANITY..... thank you.
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Posted by: mmckinl on Jul 21, 2008 12:56 AM
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Through lack of regulation and enforcement and negative real rates of interest the privately owned and operated Federal Reserve is responsible for 90% of the Sub Prime Crisis.
Greenspan even touted sub prime and negative amortization loans.!
The Democrats have been bought and paid for by the financial industry ... Why else haven't they questioned the privately owned and operated Federal Reserve's promise to underwrite unregulated Brokers, Hedge Funds, Insurance Companies, Investment Banks, Fannie and Freddie?
Ladies and Gentlemen we are watching the biggest theft in history happen right in front of our eyes and it's OUR MONEY !
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» The FED did NOT cause the subprime mess. It is Phil Gramm and those who pushed banking deregulation
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» RE: what?
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» Raising interest rates will reduce inflation. It lowers the price of existing bonds but not new ones
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» RE: Phil Gramm pushed energy deregualtion through ... think Enron
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» The FED is a public institution. Stop trolling and lying. Real interest rates were high until 2004.
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» RE: "The FED is a public institution". Wrong my friend ...
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» High interest rates cause recessions. Was Greenspan to raise rates in 1998-99 when inflation was 0%?
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» RE: High interest rates cause recessions. Was Greenspan to raise rates in 1998-99 when inflation was 0%?
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» No, you're wrong my friend.
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» RE:" No, you're wrong my friend. ..."
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» Deflation has nothing to do with "Bubbles." It is a rapid price decline which chokes up the economy
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» What????
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» Bond Traders are the most sensitive to inflation and after 1995 there was a bull market in bonds
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» As usual, nothing but crap
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» I would never buy bonds right now either because interest rates will likely go up! I know economics
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» I never said that!
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» Yes you did. And you fail to grasp the nature of the chronic stagnation of late capitalism.
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» You should be ashamed of yourself.... Last time you said that I gave you links....
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» RE: The FED did NOT cause the subprime mess. It is Phil Gramm and those who pushed banking deregulation
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Posted by: weathered on Jul 21, 2008 2:33 AM
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» Yes, and Greenspan, in reward for what he did, got knighted by....
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Posted by: mnstra on Jul 21, 2008 6:07 AM
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Think of all the bridges we could have repaired all the fires we could have put out with more equipment and so on........
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Posted by: Cybershaman on Jul 21, 2008 6:29 AM
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We no longer know how many people are unemployed, only how many are getting unemployment benefits, and those benefits are routinely denied. We do not know the real rate of inflation, for cost of living expenses, because high end items skew the statistics. Even census figures are manipulated to hide truths we should know.
These measures of our economy were intentionally obfuscated to hide the crimes of those gaming the system. But the damage goes on anyway, and here we are. The only way out of this mess is to force the business community to make up for all the wage depression they have managed to profit off of for decades. Don't just raise the minimum wage, raise all wages at the bottom. Lower all wages at the top and cap them. Nobody needs to make a multi million dollar salary. And force businesses to compensate their employees for productivity increases!
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Posted by: jwverez on Jul 21, 2008 6:44 AM
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Posted by: willd4change on Jul 21, 2008 7:28 AM
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Posted by: Spiritgirl on Jul 21, 2008 8:29 AM
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It's also another reason the whole cabal need to be impeached and rules & regulations need to be brought back into place.
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» Your wrong.... rules and regulations mean nothing if they are not .....
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Posted by: willymack on Jul 21, 2008 9:24 AM
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Second, NOTHING is safe from the bush corruption virus.
Third, as usual,we, the victims are being blamed for the mortgage scam, while the perpetrators get off scot-free. In light of all the other bushie crimes against our people, the world, and the universe, this one is minor, but still signifigant, as a lot of naive, starry-eyed people whose only crime was wanting a place of their own are getting the shaft.
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Posted by: Quannah on Jul 21, 2008 9:51 AM
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I heard a report on Bill Moyers' Journal that said they expect over 600 banks to fail this year alone.
The speculators are in a feeding frenzy, and that bubble in all the markets is going to *POP* and the markets are going to crash, leading to a world-wide depression.
The bureaucrat who sets policy for the Bank of England said yesterday that the economy in Britain is going to be far worse than the economy here. They are just now beginning to show the same signs of a mortgage crisis there, and inflation is climbing at a rapid rate.
We're in for a bumpy ride.
Bush & Co. aren't content with ruining our economy... they are going to ruin the economy of the world. And all because they have encouraged and allowed greed to run amok.
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» Bush and cheney are puppets and the british royalty are in on this....
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Posted by: ABetterFuture on Jul 21, 2008 11:11 AM
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Bankers need to be held accountable to the folks they're lending money to. If those folks are high-risk, then the lender needs to forfeit high rewards if that risk falls thru. If the banks behave with careful consideration, they will profit, and people will have manageable loans.
What in the f*ck is the crisis about, then?
A ginormous governmentcorporate megainstution that that the govcorp can't allow to fail?
Yes, that's exactly it: you and I--renters, savers, and responsible borrowers are bailing out shedloads of asshats and speculators who wanted more home than they could afford, and who hedged more than they should on such shady deals, respectively.
Let them fail, and let the stockholders eat their stocks. You don't invest without risk, and those risks should not make the average U.S. taxpayer a slave to YOUR interests, Fannie Mac and Freddie Mae.
Let them fail, and let the lending/borrowing process go back where it belongs--to eat or starve choices, with all the fore thought that goes into a hungry belly!
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Posted by: perkywa on Jul 21, 2008 11:48 AM
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WWI showed the International Central Banksters that wars are good debt generators and wealth re-distributors but wars can only last so long...what was needed was a permanent debt generator and presto here comes "the great depression" and the beginning of the welfare state...mission #1 accomplished. The system has been "adjusted" to maximize debt generation over the years with the addition of "Food Stamps/direct welfare" in the 1960's and more constant warfare as well as constant expansion of government "spending" (borrowing).
The whole thing is a SCAM to pull money out of OUR pockets and give it to the already mega-rich Central Bansters. Oh and the REAL goal is to gut and destroy America and the fools that live there...MISSION ACCOMPLISHED.
So where do you suppose the government will get the $5 Trillion to "bail out" Fannie and Freddie?
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Posted by: ellie on Jul 21, 2008 12:20 PM
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1. go and shop!
2. 'ownership' society
bonehead american people bought these 2 mantras hook line and sinker and now look at the mess we've got...
read the fine print everytime, still have the stimulus check here uncashed, suitable for framing... do the opposite of what Bushco says and you should at least come away with a sense of accomplishment...
if something says made in china or another exploited country, we try to avoid it...
if we can't afford something we do without until we can buy cash, which is dwindling in value every day but our mailbox is still stuffed with credit card and mortgage offers constantly...
we have no credit card debt, paid off and cut up years ago and have rented this place long enough to now probably own it... but you never really 'own' property do you (pay it off and still have to pay taxes)...
we're not young and starting out and not old enough for SSI either, we learned cheapness from our parents, called the 'cheap gene'... who lived out the great depression...
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Posted by: dmmaze6 on Jul 21, 2008 4:00 PM
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"Profits are privetized and losses are socialized"
That pretty sums it up for me. Capitalism run amok. Capitalism is fine, but it needs regulation, something that has been sorely lacking in the last eight years.
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» RE: US-exported policy (was Paul Krugman)
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Posted by: CommonDreamer on Jul 21, 2008 8:26 PM
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Reparations are absolutely due from these perps - and it should go to building bridges, affordable housing, wage increases, etc. Tax code should be re-engineered to stop the abuse at the top. Punitive rates should be levied upon corporations that give away millions to these shills.
Save Freddie and Fannie for the people...but not with only the lowest paid people's tax dollars. It is true that we have socialized risk and privatized reward, when in fact it should be just the opposite. These people aren't taking any real risks - they are already priveleged to play the game in the first place. Let's get our facts straight - and no more coddling of the overpaid - in fact, their bill for playing shell games with the American economy is due.
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Posted by: bobtr900 on Jul 22, 2008 6:04 AM
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And these are the people that call themselves Pro-life and Family Values, the party of God, the 'moral majority'. Their morality really boils down to either religious ideology or profit/business ideology.
I'm thinking that when the religious ideology people really discover that the Rethugs are far more interested in the business/profits ideology they are going to be mad as hell, at the Repub deception that has been perpetrated on them. Repubs care only about profits and nothing about real living people.
Maybe that is why they care about the fetus so much. It cannot vote nor does it cost anything to live, as it lives off of the mother, in a parasitic relationship; just as children live off their parents in a parasitic relationship. But real live children require assets, pecuniary and emotional, to live and the Repub party is only about the use of assets for their corporates and their wealthy.
So squeezing us, the living, are where they actively pursue their 'wealth only for the wealthy agenda'. And they, quite obviously, squeeze us in many ways.
Their is something so inherently right about 'we the people', the Family of man, the community of the living. And their is something so very wrong about those that have as their central value, totally and only pecuniary self absorption. Maybe that is where mega religions and mega churches go so very wrong. Riches are a form of almost diabolical self aggrandizement.
It still strikes me as amazing that the Repubs religions have sold themselves to this evil and for only a few pieces of sliver and a bit of dubious political power.
Hitler must have made the very same promise to Pope Pius XI, and Pius XII, to get their imprimatur via the Reichskonkordat of 1933. And now the Rethugs have made similar promises.
Have right wing religions been lured and bought by Satan himself and for so little. It must be a case of promise them souls and give them so little, and they succumb to the promise instead of the reality that such promises must be false and Satanic in origin.
I guess our lack of any power somehow vaccinates us from evil. Those of us with no power must have a kind of built in Humility that protects us from evil promises that those with so much rampant 'Pride', the sin of Pride, are so vulnerable to those false promises.
Bush says if we give up our liberties and freedoms he will protect us from all evil. But who will protect us from him and the likes of Scalia. Both of whom are predators upon our rights and liberties, our very God given human rights. The innate rights, freedoms and liberties that we all possess, by virtue of the fact that we have a life (and a soul) that belongs only to us and to no one else; not even to any religious leader, as imperfect as they are and as swelled up with the sin of 'Pride' as they are.
Mayhap, we can say, that profits come before the fall.
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Posted by: photon's feather on Jul 22, 2008 3:54 PM
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Who bought up stocks, land, and other assets, at fire sale prices? Don't think their grandchildren aren't poised to duplicate those feats. (They may do even better than their grandfathers.) Watch how well the Bushes, the Rockefellers, the Kennedys, and the rest of the descendants of the thieves and robber barons of old make out in this crisis.
It's just another redistribution of wealth, folks.
These guys have been pretty thorough.
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» Actually, the opposite happened
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» Some of the rich were taken to the cleaners if they bought stocks on margin. Others made out well.
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» Yellow unlike you I actually looked at the statistics
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» another point regarding margin
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» I'm sure this is true.
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» RE: Actually, the opposite happened
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Posted by: karinkdf82 on Jul 24, 2008 10:36 AM
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How do I know this? Well, as it turns out I worked for the mortgage industry until Sept. of 2004 and noted that the types of mortgage "products" being peddled by lenders were just shy of outright theft. They set people up in deals that they knew would lead to foreclosure, meanwhile raking in billions.
Then comes bankruptcy reform (interesting timing considering what the lenders were up to behind the scenes) to ensure that all of those unsuspecting customers saddled with these horrific "products" would not be able to tunnel their way out from under.
All the while mortgage brokers, being unregulated and all, could do or say anything they wanted in order to snare unsuspecting consumers and funnel them into line of credit mortgages with variable interest rates while rates were still unimaginably low: failing to inform their customers of the type of loan they were getting, misquoting rates and monthly payments, and if questioned telling borrowers that they could always refinance if the payments got to be too much (of course only after the fact and during CLOSING).
Really? And who (facing foreclosure) is able to refinance now? Not only were the brokers lying to consumers, but my particular mortgage lender made sure that rarely a closing document or loan agreement was seen until the poor saps were comfortably seating at the closing table (it was in fact a standard practice to NOT ship our documents until the night before via UPS and with terrible mistakes to boot)... by then, there's no way out of the deal without forfeiting plenty in earnest money and fees. I had thought that the racket was unethical then, but to see the result is just sickening. And now what to do with all of those foreclosed homes. Why, resell them... after all, the previous owners have already paid years into interest and fees.
Note also the over-valuation of property. Anyone ever notice how the appraisal almost always comes in at the exact asking price? And lately I’ve seen commercials (public announcements) that advise home buyers to “protect” themselves against inflated appraisals … AS IF the buyer had any control! The appraisers are supposed to be independent, unbiased parties outside of the real estate racket … are they? Nope. Another thing I learned from the mortgage business.
So now that it's come back to bite them in the u-know-what, the lenders want the government to bail them out (as is happening). Thus, the rich get richer while the poor get evicted. Now tell me that all of this wasn't orchestrated and that nobody saw it coming!
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Posted by: fanny666 on Jul 27, 2008 1:51 PM
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Rewarding the bubble's enablers: Why the bailout of Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae is bad for the economy
Article by economist Michael Hudson, who was Chief Economic Policy Adviser for the Kucinich for President campaign.
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Posted by: mmckinl on Jul 21, 2008 12:23 AM
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No, our Democratic Chairmans Barney Frank and Chris Dodd are giving the bankers everything thing they can at the tax payers expense which could add up to a trillion or more come the reckoning while any money made along the way all goes into the bankers pockets already stuffed with the blood money they made making fraudulent loans.
With Democrats like this who needs enemies? Vote Green ...
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Posted by: mmckinl on Jul 21, 2008 12:56 AM
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Through lack of regulation and enforcement and negative real rates of interest the privately owned and operated Federal Reserve is responsible for 90% of the Sub Prime Crisis.
Greenspan even touted sub prime and negative amortization loans.!
The Democrats have been bought and paid for by the financial industry ... Why else haven't they questioned the privately owned and operated Federal Reserve's promise to underwrite unregulated Brokers, Hedge Funds, Insurance Companies, Investment Banks, Fannie and Freddie?
Ladies and Gentlemen we are watching the biggest theft in history happen right in front of our eyes and it's OUR MONEY !
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» The FED did NOT cause the subprime mess. It is Phil Gramm and those who pushed banking deregulation
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» RE: what?
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» Raising interest rates will reduce inflation. It lowers the price of existing bonds but not new ones
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» RE: Phil Gramm pushed energy deregualtion through ... think Enron
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» The FED is a public institution. Stop trolling and lying. Real interest rates were high until 2004.
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» RE: "The FED is a public institution". Wrong my friend ...
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» High interest rates cause recessions. Was Greenspan to raise rates in 1998-99 when inflation was 0%?
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» RE: High interest rates cause recessions. Was Greenspan to raise rates in 1998-99 when inflation was 0%?
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» No, you're wrong my friend.
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» RE:" No, you're wrong my friend. ..."
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» Deflation has nothing to do with "Bubbles." It is a rapid price decline which chokes up the economy
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» What????
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» Bond Traders are the most sensitive to inflation and after 1995 there was a bull market in bonds
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» As usual, nothing but crap
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» I would never buy bonds right now either because interest rates will likely go up! I know economics
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» I never said that!
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» Yes you did. And you fail to grasp the nature of the chronic stagnation of late capitalism.
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» You should be ashamed of yourself.... Last time you said that I gave you links....
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» RE: The FED did NOT cause the subprime mess. It is Phil Gramm and those who pushed banking deregulation
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Posted by: weathered on Jul 21, 2008 2:33 AM
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» Yes, and Greenspan, in reward for what he did, got knighted by....
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Posted by: mnstra on Jul 21, 2008 6:07 AM
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Think of all the bridges we could have repaired all the fires we could have put out with more equipment and so on........
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Posted by: Cybershaman on Jul 21, 2008 6:29 AM
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We no longer know how many people are unemployed, only how many are getting unemployment benefits, and those benefits are routinely denied. We do not know the real rate of inflation, for cost of living expenses, because high end items skew the statistics. Even census figures are manipulated to hide truths we should know.
These measures of our economy were intentionally obfuscated to hide the crimes of those gaming the system. But the damage goes on anyway, and here we are. The only way out of this mess is to force the business community to make up for all the wage depression they have managed to profit off of for decades. Don't just raise the minimum wage, raise all wages at the bottom. Lower all wages at the top and cap them. Nobody needs to make a multi million dollar salary. And force businesses to compensate their employees for productivity increases!
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Posted by: Spiritgirl on Jul 21, 2008 8:29 AM
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It's also another reason the whole cabal need to be impeached and rules & regulations need to be brought back into place.
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Posted by: willymack on Jul 21, 2008 9:24 AM
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Second, NOTHING is safe from the bush corruption virus.
Third, as usual,we, the victims are being blamed for the mortgage scam, while the perpetrators get off scot-free. In light of all the other bushie crimes against our people, the world, and the universe, this one is minor, but still signifigant, as a lot of naive, starry-eyed people whose only crime was wanting a place of their own are getting the shaft.
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Posted by: Quannah on Jul 21, 2008 9:51 AM
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I heard a report on Bill Moyers' Journal that said they expect over 600 banks to fail this year alone.
The speculators are in a feeding frenzy, and that bubble in all the markets is going to *POP* and the markets are going to crash, leading to a world-wide depression.
The bureaucrat who sets policy for the Bank of England said yesterday that the economy in Britain is going to be far worse than the economy here. They are just now beginning to show the same signs of a mortgage crisis there, and inflation is climbing at a rapid rate.
We're in for a bumpy ride.
Bush & Co. aren't content with ruining our economy... they are going to ruin the economy of the world. And all because they have encouraged and allowed greed to run amok.
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Posted by: ABetterFuture on Jul 21, 2008 11:11 AM
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Bankers need to be held accountable to the folks they're lending money to. If those folks are high-risk, then the lender needs to forfeit high rewards if that risk falls thru. If the banks behave with careful consideration, they will profit, and people will have manageable loans.
What in the f*ck is the crisis about, then?
A ginormous governmentcorporate megainstution that that the govcorp can't allow to fail?
Yes, that's exactly it: you and I--renters, savers, and responsible borrowers are bailing out shedloads of asshats and speculators who wanted more home than they could afford, and who hedged more than they should on such shady deals, respectively.
Let them fail, and let the stockholders eat their stocks. You don't invest without risk, and those risks should not make the average U.S. taxpayer a slave to YOUR interests, Fannie Mac and Freddie Mae.
Let them fail, and let the lending/borrowing process go back where it belongs--to eat or starve choices, with all the fore thought that goes into a hungry belly!
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Posted by: perkywa on Jul 21, 2008 11:48 AM
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WWI showed the International Central Banksters that wars are good debt generators and wealth re-distributors but wars can only last so long...what was needed was a permanent debt generator and presto here comes "the great depression" and the beginning of the welfare state...mission #1 accomplished. The system has been "adjusted" to maximize debt generation over the years with the addition of "Food Stamps/direct welfare" in the 1960's and more constant warfare as well as constant expansion of government "spending" (borrowing).
The whole thing is a SCAM to pull money out of OUR pockets and give it to the already mega-rich Central Bansters. Oh and the REAL goal is to gut and destroy America and the fools that live there...MISSION ACCOMPLISHED.
So where do you suppose the government will get the $5 Trillion to "bail out" Fannie and Freddie?
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Posted by: ellie on Jul 21, 2008 12:20 PM
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1. go and shop!
2. 'ownership' society
bonehead american people bought these 2 mantras hook line and sinker and now look at the mess we've got...
read the fine print everytime, still have the stimulus check here uncashed, suitable for framing... do the opposite of what Bushco says and you should at least come away with a sense of accomplishment...
if something says made in china or another exploited country, we try to avoid it...
if we can't afford something we do without until we can buy cash, which is dwindling in value every day but our mailbox is still stuffed with credit card and mortgage offers constantly...
we have no credit card debt, paid off and cut up years ago and have rented this place long enough to now probably own it... but you never really 'own' property do you (pay it off and still have to pay taxes)...
we're not young and starting out and not old enough for SSI either, we learned cheapness from our parents, called the 'cheap gene'... who lived out the great depression...
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Posted by: dmmaze6 on Jul 21, 2008 4:00 PM
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"Profits are privetized and losses are socialized"
That pretty sums it up for me. Capitalism run amok. Capitalism is fine, but it needs regulation, something that has been sorely lacking in the last eight years.
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Posted by: CommonDreamer on Jul 21, 2008 8:26 PM
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Reparations are absolutely due from these perps - and it should go to building bridges, affordable housing, wage increases, etc. Tax code should be re-engineered to stop the abuse at the top. Punitive rates should be levied upon corporations that give away millions to these shills.
Save Freddie and Fannie for the people...but not with only the lowest paid people's tax dollars. It is true that we have socialized risk and privatized reward, when in fact it should be just the opposite. These people aren't taking any real risks - they are already priveleged to play the game in the first place. Let's get our facts straight - and no more coddling of the overpaid - in fact, their bill for playing shell games with the American economy is due.
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Posted by: bobtr900 on Jul 22, 2008 6:04 AM
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And these are the people that call themselves Pro-life and Family Values, the party of God, the 'moral majority'. Their morality really boils down to either religious ideology or profit/business ideology.
I'm thinking that when the religious ideology people really discover that the Rethugs are far more interested in the business/profits ideology they are going to be mad as hell, at the Repub deception that has been perpetrated on them. Repubs care only about profits and nothing about real living people.
Maybe that is why they care about the fetus so much. It cannot vote nor does it cost anything to live, as it lives off of the mother, in a parasitic relationship; just as children live off their parents in a parasitic relationship. But real live children require assets, pecuniary and emotional, to live and the Repub party is only about the use of assets for their corporates and their wealthy.
So squeezing us, the living, are where they actively pursue their 'wealth only for the wealthy agenda'. And they, quite obviously, squeeze us in many ways.
Their is something so inherently right about 'we the people', the Family of man, the community of the living. And their is something so very wrong about those that have as their central value, totally and only pecuniary self absorption. Maybe that is where mega religions and mega churches go so very wrong. Riches are a form of almost diabolical self aggrandizement.
It still strikes me as amazing that the Repubs religions have sold themselves to this evil and for only a few pieces of sliver and a bit of dubious political power.
Hitler must have made the very same promise to Pope Pius XI, and Pius XII, to get their imprimatur via the Reichskonkordat of 1933. And now the Rethugs have made similar promises.
Have right wing religions been lured and bought by Satan himself and for so little. It must be a case of promise them souls and give them so little, and they succumb to the promise instead of the reality that such promises must be false and Satanic in origin.
I guess our lack of any power somehow vaccinates us from evil. Those of us with no power must have a kind of built in Humility that protects us from evil promises that those with so much rampant 'Pride', the sin of Pride, are so vulnerable to those false promises.
Bush says if we give up our liberties and freedoms he will protect us from all evil. But who will protect us from him and the likes of Scalia. Both of whom are predators upon our rights and liberties, our very God given human rights. The innate rights, freedoms and liberties that we all possess, by virtue of the fact that we have a life (and a soul) that belongs only to us and to no one else; not even to any religious leader, as imperfect as they are and as swelled up with the sin of 'Pride' as they are.
Mayhap, we can say, that profits come before the fall.
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Posted by: photon's feather on Jul 22, 2008 3:54 PM
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Who bought up stocks, land, and other assets, at fire sale prices? Don't think their grandchildren aren't poised to duplicate those feats. (They may do even better than their grandfathers.) Watch how well the Bushes, the Rockefellers, the Kennedys, and the rest of the descendants of the thieves and robber barons of old make out in this crisis.
It's just another redistribution of wealth, folks.
These guys have been pretty thorough.
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Posted by: karinkdf82 on Jul 24, 2008 10:36 AM
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How do I know this? Well, as it turns out I worked for the mortgage industry until Sept. of 2004 and noted that the types of mortgage "products" being peddled by lenders were just shy of outright theft. They set people up in deals that they knew would lead to foreclosure, meanwhile raking in billions.
Then comes bankruptcy reform (interesting timing considering what the lenders were up to behind the scenes) to ensure that all of those unsuspecting customers saddled with these horrific "products" would not be able to tunnel their way out from under.
All the while mortgage brokers, being unregulated and all, could do or say anything they wanted in order to snare unsuspecting consumers and funnel them into line of credit mortgages with variable interest rates while rates were still unimaginably low: failing to inform their customers of the type of loan they were getting, misquoting rates and monthly payments, and if questioned telling borrowers that they could always refinance if the payments got to be too much (of course only after the fact and during CLOSING).
Really? And who (facing foreclosure) is able to refinance now? Not only were the brokers lying to consumers, but my particular mortgage lender made sure that rarely a closing document or loan agreement was seen until the poor saps were comfortably seating at the closing table (it was in fact a standard practice to NOT ship our documents until the night before via UPS and with terrible mistakes to boot)... by then, there's no way out of the deal without forfeiting plenty in earnest money and fees. I had thought that the racket was unethical then, but to see the result is just sickening. And now what to do with all of those foreclosed homes. Why, resell them... after all, the previous owners have already paid years into interest and fees.
Note also the over-valuation of property. Anyone ever notice how the appraisal almost always comes in at the exact asking price? And lately I’ve seen commercials (public announcements) that advise home buyers to “protect” themselves against inflated appraisals … AS IF the buyer had any control! The appraisers are supposed to be independent, unbiased parties outside of the real estate racket … are they? Nope. Another thing I learned from the mortgage business.
So now that it's come back to bite them in the u-know-what, the lenders want the government to bail them out (as is happening). Thus, the rich get richer while the poor get evicted. Now tell me that all of this wasn't orchestrated and that nobody saw it coming!
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Rewarding the bubble's enablers: Why the bailout of Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae is bad for the economy
Article by economist Michael Hudson, who was Chief Economic Policy Adviser for the Kucinich for President campaign.
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