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Why We're Suddenly Paying Through the Nose for Gas
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Most, if not all, the damage was avoidable. Shortly after taking office, George W. Bush undertook a sweeping review of US energy policy aimed at expanding the nation's supply of vital fuels. The "reality is the nation has got a real problem when it comes to energy," he declared on March 14, 2001. "We need more sources of energy." At that time many of the problems evident today were already visible. Energy demand in mature industrial nations was continuing to grow as the rising economic dynamos of Asia, especially China, were beginning to make an impact. By 2002 the Energy Department was predicting that China would soon overtake Japan, becoming the world's second-largest petroleum consumer, and that developing Asia as a whole would account for about one-fourth of global consumption by 2020. Also evident was an unmistakable slowdown in the growth of world production, the telltale sign of an imminent "peaking" in global output [see Klare, "Beyond the Age of Petroleum," November 12, 2007].
With these trends in mind, many energy experts urged the White House to minimize future reliance on oil, emphasize conservation and rapidly develop climate-friendly alternatives, especially renewables like wind, solar, geothermal and biofuels. But Dick Cheney, who was overseeing the energy review, would have none of this. "Conservation may be a sign of personal virtue," the Vice President famously declared in April 2001, "but it is not a sufficient basis…for sound, comprehensive energy policy." After three months of huddling in secret with top executives of leading US energy companies, he released a plan on May 17 that, in effect, called for preserving the existing energy system, with its heavy reliance on oil, coal and natural gas.
Because continued reliance on oil would mean increased reliance on imported petroleum, especially from the Middle East, Bush sought to deflect public concern by calling for drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge and other protected areas. As a result, most public discourse on the Bush/Cheney plan focused on drilling in ANWR, and no attention was paid to the implications of increased dependence on imported oil -- even though oil from ANWR, in the most optimistic scenario, would reduce US need for imports (now about 60 percent) by just 4 percent.
But this produced another dilemma for Bush: increased reliance on imports meant increased vulnerability to disruptions in delivery due to wars and political upheavals. To address this danger, the Administration began planning for stepped-up military involvement in major overseas oil zones, especially the Persian Gulf. This was evident, for example, when then-Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld gave early priority to enhancement of American "power projection" to areas of instability in the developing world. Then came 9/11 and the "war on terror" -- giving the White House a perfect opportunity to accelerate the military expansion and to pursue other key objectives. High on the list was the elimination of Saddam Hussein, long considered the most potent challenger to US domination of the Gulf and its critical energy supplies.
But the invasion of Iraq -- intended to ensure US control of the Gulf and a stable environment for the expanded production and export of its oil -- has had exactly the opposite effect. Despite the many billions spent on oil infrastructure protection and the thousands of lives lost, production in Iraq is no higher today than it was before the invasion. Iraq has also become a rigorous training ground for extremists throughout the region, some of whom have now migrated to the oil kingdoms of the lower Gulf and begun attacking the facilities there -- generating some of the recent spikes in prices.
Then there is the dilemma posed by Iran. With Saddam out of the picture, the Islamic regime in Tehran is viewed in Washington as the greatest threat to US mastery of the Gulf. This threat rests largely on Iran's ability to attack oil shipping in the Gulf and ignite unrest among militant Shiite groups throughout the region, but its apparent pursuit of nuclear weapons has inflated the perceived menace significantly. To restrain Tehran's nuclear ambitions, Washington has imposed economic sanctions on Iran and forced key US allies to abandon plans for developing new oilfields there. As a result Iran, with the world's second-largest reserves after Saudi Arabia, is producing only about half the oil it could -- another reason for the global constriction of supply.
But the Administration's greatest contribution to the rising oil prices is its steady stream of threats to attack Iran if it does not back down on the nuclear issue. The Iranians have made it plain that they would retaliate by attempting to block the flow of Gulf oil and otherwise cause turmoil in the energy market. Most analysts assume, therefore, that an encounter will produce a global oil shortage and prices well over $200 per barrel. It is not surprising, then, that every threat by Bush/Cheney (or their counterparts in Israel) has triggered a sharp rise in prices. This is where speculators enter the picture. Believing that a US-Iranian clash is at least 50 percent likely, some investors are buying futures in oil at $140, $150 or more per barrel, thinking they'll make a killing if there's an attack and prices zoom over $200.
It follows, then, that while the hike in prices is due largely to ever increasing demand chasing insufficiently expanding supply, the Bush Administration's energy policies have greatly intensified the problem. By seeking to preserve our oil-based energy system at any cost, and by adding to the "fear factor" in international speculation through its bungled invasion of Iraq and bellicose statements on Iran, it has made a bad problem much worse.
What can be done to reverse this predicament? There is no realistic hope of substantially increasing the supply of oil -- drilling in offshore US waters, as favored by President Bush and Senator John McCain, will not reverse the long-term decline in US production -- so it is only by reducing demand that fundamental market forces can be addressed. This is best done through a comprehensive program of energy conservation, expanding public transit and accelerating development of energy alternatives. It will take time for some of these efforts to have an impact on prices; others, like reducing speed limits and adding bus routes, would have a more rapid effect. And if this Administration truly wanted to spare Americans further pain at the pump, there is one thing it could do that would have an immediate effect: declare that military force is not an acceptable option in the struggle with Iran. Such a declaration would take the wind out of the sails of speculators and set the course for a drop in prices.
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Posted by: mmckinl on Jun 21, 2008 12:35 AM
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Congress is too cowardly to point out that if Bush would just take military action off the table oil prices would fall because they are fully controlled by AIPAC.
Obama and McCain are also puppets of AIPAC. Obama went out of his way to coddle AIPAC with the speech he gave there. McCain is even more on board with AIPAC.
Did anyone of importance, Democrat or Republican announce the slightest bit of annoyance about the fact that Israel was discovered to have run practice maneuvers for bombing Iran?
The price of crude went right back up after the news of the Israeli War Games hit Wall Street.
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Posted by: BlackbirdHighway on Jun 21, 2008 3:04 AM
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This year, there are no McCain signs anywhere. While there are a couple Obama signs, mostly what you see in peoples lawns are Expeditions, Excursions, Suburbans, F-150s and the like, all with "For Sale" signs. Lots and lots of them.
It took a long time, but I think people are finally starting to get it.
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Posted by: PJAW on Jun 21, 2008 4:09 AM
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Reminds me of all "number two" guys that they claim to have taken down in al Queda. They never seem to find bin Laden, but they've managed to grab the alleged "number two guy" several times. Funny, the number two guy in the US administration seems to be the biggest problem as well. Number one is pretty much a dope.
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Posted by: selmaag on Jun 21, 2008 4:32 AM
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Posted by: UnEasyOne on Jun 21, 2008 4:38 AM
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So Greenspan created the housing bubble - to save us from the disaster he had enabled by a complete absence of oversight. "They're not making more land!" Remember? In fact, there were plenty of cornfields available to be paved over and prices shot up so far that nobody could actually afford to buy the damned things.
Now it is commodities and oil - particularly oil. We are running out of it. We were running out of it in 1913! Then again in the twenties, the forties, the seventies - and now they are calling it "peak oil."
There are reasons for the price increase. China, the declining dollar and many more. It's a scam. If somebody bombs Iran, the price might even double from here - but this is just another of many engineered shortages.
I actually think it is a shame that oil prices won't stay this high and higher. The short-term pain would be more than offset by the fact that we just might avoid climactic Armageddon as a result. But they won't.
Have you ever watched a huge flock of birds land almost in unison - and then alight almost simultaneously and all fly someplace else?
There is a huge pool of capital (money) collectively owned or managed by pension funds, sovereign wealth funds (China and other Asian countries, for example), hedge funds etc. It amounts to trillions of dollars and like that flock of birds looking for a field of grain, this "hot money" is looking for the "next best thing." And like that flock of birds, they all seem to land at once. Now, they are bidding up oil and other commodities. (Next they will be tossing huge sums at alternative energy - like they did biotech before the dotcom bubble)
How do they make money? By getting in early, bidding prices up - and getting out when the getting is good. By the time the suckers are buying, the flock has already moved elsewhere. Last one out gets skinned.
If you have perfect timing and can perfectly anticipate the crash, go ahead and invest in oil. Just remember that (to mix a metaphor) when elephants stampede, mice get crushed.
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Posted by: Purple Girl on Jun 21, 2008 5:01 AM
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Off Shore Drilling is an environmental concern,BUT it is Also a charade. It will take years to get up and Running, it's supply will only work to keep US still reliant on Oil ( a Finite resource) and will Only Push the Problem Further ahead while destroying the environment.
It should Not be Just Environmentalists screaming NO regarding Off Shore Drilling it is parents and anyone else who has a sense of duty to the future generations.We are not supposed to be 'Pushing it forward' We are supposed to be 'Paying it Forward'.Are we going to be the generation which the future generations look back on and ask 'What the Fuck were they Thinking?'
Frankly the situation as it stands -on so many issues and problems- is not only an Embarrassment, but Criminal when viewed from a Hindsight perspective.
I, for One, do not want to be despised by my descendants.So I am willing to do the hard things- Increase my taxes to bring down the deficit, increase education, healthcare funding and Retirement age, reduce gas supply and invest in Alternative energy research and developement. My sacrifics Now will be no more then those of my ancestors who struggled to provide a better life by Coming to America 6 generations ago - I honor their Efforts and Sacrifics and I Owe those to Come the same opportunity and Hope.
So anyone who is willing to use this Bandaid for the Fatal Gunshot wound of Oil Addiction is spitting on their grandparents graves and placing their grandchildren on the Global Auction Block.
BUCK UP!!
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Posted by: cjwirth on Jun 21, 2008 5:25 AM
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Posted by: zoza on Jun 21, 2008 6:06 AM
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If Obama should be elected, hopefully he will have a vision sorely lacking in these retard-acons. McCain (Uncle Fester) would like to "Bomb, Bomb, Bomb Iran" and drill for oil in places where it would take 10 years to make any difference. I don't know how it can be said, but, he looks as dumb or dumber than Bush.
There should be declared and Earth Emergency by Obama enlisting all countries on Earth, large and small, to pony up a vast pool of trillions of dollars to find clean, alternative ways of producing energy. The technology is actually pretty much already in place. There is just a whole new, worldwide infrastructure that needs to be built. Millions of jobs would be created. The environment would be given a chance (a slim chance), of surviving. The global hot spots would be eliminated and there would be little reason to bomb, bomb, bomb anyone.
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Posted by: John Annis on Jun 21, 2008 6:53 AM
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The steep rise in prices has had benefits too, in that at these rates shale oil is worth recovering, and the US has no shortage of that.
But the top five importers to the US are Canada, Saudi Arabia, Mexico, Nigeria and Venezuela. The only other Middle Eastern countries on the list of top importers are Iraq and Kuwait, and together they export less than Venezuela to the US.
The US will lose its reserve currency status shortly, and with it the ability to make other countries pay in increasingly worthless USD. So Dick 'Duck' Cheney and his coterie of neocons and profiteers pick the one solution that is bound to aggravate prices - by fomenting mortal strife in the Middle East.
Whilst these people simply aren't smart enough to be responsible for a lot of stuff the conspiracy theorists accuse them of, it would be a mistake to think of them as stupid. When it comes to enlightened self-interest there is nobody to touch them.
Stop the speculation and forward-buying of oil, except for airlines and shipping companies, and most of the problem will go away. Confine the Zionists to their borders and it gets better still.
It's not such a mystery. There is NO shortage of oil, and you can't blame the OPEC members for increasing prices when they are losing money with the rapid depreciation of the USD.
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Posted by: WhatNow? on Jun 21, 2008 9:54 AM
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I've come to the conclusion that we are doomed as a species. There is too much stupidity and greed in a large percentage of amerikans to recover from the mess we are creating.
The thing that bothers me most is that all excess money being made from the higher prices is not being used to improve the situation. No! We get these foolish ideas like repealing the gas tax, pillaging Alaska, and opening up the ocean to even more stress.
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Posted by: jeffrey7 on Jun 21, 2008 10:06 AM
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Demand automakers get 50mpg trucks on the market. Cars that get 100mpg. If they don't...STOP BUYING CARS AND TRUCKS. If you keep up the servicing on your vehicle it will last for decades. Once they go a few years without a single sale you'll see prices drop like Bush's popularity.
Jeffrey7 for Prez '08
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Posted by: ReallyBearish on Jun 21, 2008 10:06 AM
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The price of a barrel of oil in terms of gold hasn't changed much in the last 8 years. It's gone up mainly in terms of dollars.
The REAL problem is the FED and their cheap dollar policy. Peak oil and shortages haven't even kicked in yet. When that happens the price will really soar. There is no oil bubble-- yet.
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» Clearly, He's saying that oil prices have increased in REAL terms & not only as a monetary function
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Posted by: jbowen43 on Jun 21, 2008 11:14 AM
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This may be apparent to you but it's not to many experts, especially those who pursue facts.
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Posted by: TJ-stars4peace on Jun 21, 2008 11:20 AM
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This is one of the biggest swindles in history and now due to these swindlers the gas prices are being manipulated by the likes of Bush and Republican lying swine to push for drilling in ANWAR and off shore where there is Oil and even more natural Gas but these would be on line for years to come in some cases 10 years away such as ANWAR..
If we repeal The Commodities and Futures Modernization Act which contains the Enron Loophole tomorrow prices would go down from 25 to 50%...as was testified to before the Senate Commerce Committee Hearing by Professor Michael Greenberger the former director of the Commodities and Futures Commission..
Will prices go up if or I should say when Bush and Israel attack Iran..Hell yes God damn you betcha ya..but again till will be worsened greatly by the Enron Loophole these guys many former Enron employees no less now with Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley and other Hedge funds will gouge our eyes out for Gas and Oil products..
Keith Olbermann did a great report on this I hoped Alternet would get to run the video, here go to The Countdown site and watch McCain and the Enron loophole..
Here's the URL for it..
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/#25252591
If you don't know about The Commodities and Futures Modernization Act and the Enron Loophole you don't know what's really going on..
Simple as that..
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Posted by: memary10 on Jun 21, 2008 2:16 PM
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The Commodity Futures Trading Commission is not doing its job. Phil Gramm's manipulations gave Enron a deregulation loophole big enough to drive a bus through which allowed it to bilk California and cause us all a great deal of suffering. That loophole has never been closed and speculative greed is one of the major engines driving the rapidly escalating price of oil. The average American is really suffering and our economy is being damaged to feed the greed of speculators. Please support an investigation into this manipulation before we have another Enron scandal featuring many of the same cast of characters.
I'm sending it to everyone in congress I can reach. Please feel free to cut and paste.
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Posted by: jsknow on Jun 21, 2008 2:46 PM
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Hemp can produce several different kinds of fuel. In the 1800's and 1900's hempseed oil was the primary source of fuel in the United States and was commonly used for lamps and other oil energy needs. The diesel engine was originally designed to run on hemp oil because Rudolf Diesel assumed that it would be the most common fuel. Hemp is also the most efficient plant for the production of methanol. It is estimated that, in one form or another, hemp grown in the United States could provide up to ninety percent of the nation's entire energy needs.
Source: Schaffer Library of Drug Policy
Hemp is 4 times more efficient than corn as biofuel. Hemp pellets can be used to produce clean electricity.
... so powerful it could replace every type of fossil fuel energy product (oil, coal, and natural gas).
... This plant is the earth's number one biomass resource or fastest growing annual plant for agriculture on a worldwide basis, producing up to 14 tons per acre. This is the only biomass source available that is capable of producing all the energy needs of the U.S. and the world...
Hemp will produce cleaner air and reduce greenhouse gases. When biomass fuel burns, it produces CO2 (the major cause of the greenhouse effect), the same as fossil fuel; but during the growth cycle of the plant, photosynthesis removes as much CO2 from the air as burning the biomass adds, so hemp actually cleans the atmosphere. After the first cycle there is no further loading to the atmosphere...
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Posted by: leafsong1 on Jun 21, 2008 3:00 PM
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Posted by: JohnJlws on Jun 21, 2008 3:07 PM
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"...compounded by the ruinous policies of the Bush Administration..."
and fell out of my chair. Shocking! Unbelievable! To think, this Administration came up with "ruinous policies."
Bush, Rove, Cheney, McCain, Crist and their ilk (i.e., a significant percentage of republicans) couldn't find Bush's brain with a team of proctologists, a super-powerful electronic microscope and lots and lots of really big flashlights.
Obama '08
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Posted by: TreeLuvBurdpu on Jun 21, 2008 3:46 PM
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Anyway these higher oil costs are finally encouraging investment in solar, wind, and other energy sources. I even know a guy who is developing self-installed fuel cells on cars. We have seen the steepest drop in miles driven on our roads since they started recording. We waste a lot of gas. Now that it is more expensive we are starting to think about it and that is a good thing.
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Posted by: dayahka on Jun 21, 2008 4:16 PM
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You are mostly right about the Bush administration's role in the energy policy, but you fail to see their dilemma: An alternative fuels program coupled with conservation would result in an admission that the age of cheap oil--and thus the American empire--is over, something Bush refused to do. Instead of leading, he decided to affirm the status quo and extend, for a few years at best, the role of oil in this system (I hesitate to use the word civilization here because America is hardly a civilized country)--and hence Iraq's oil became of prime importance.
The next president, whomever he may be, is going to face the same dilemma: announce the end of the American dream (and the oil-based civilization) or control more of the diminishing sources of oil by military force, thus postponing the end by a negligible amount of time.
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Posted by: grahamhgreen on Jun 21, 2008 4:24 PM
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War in Iraq.
War in Iraq.
Oilman in the Whitehouse and all that goes with it.
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Posted by: WaldoMaui on Jun 21, 2008 4:42 PM
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With the largest military budget on the planet--far more than that of all other nations combined--and more than 700 military bases throughout the world, the U.S. military requires a staggering amount of oil.
The U.S. military itself, charged with protecting U.S. oil interests in the world, undermines its own mission by being so gigantic.
Ironic, wouldn't you say?
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Posted by: Daniel35 on Jun 21, 2008 7:56 PM
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Finding more oil, biofuels, fuel conservation, even alternative sources of energy are only various levels of short term solutions under an economic system that mandates continued growth in population and energy consumption per person.
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Posted by: sofla100 on Jun 21, 2008 8:25 PM
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Posted by: lexicon on Jun 21, 2008 8:46 PM
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Well, supply and demand is always a factor, but to assume that the oil market is anything near a "supply and demand" market, is just silly.
To blame Bush is way too simplistic. He's an idiot. Let's blame the folks who are behind bush, pulling the strings on "supply and demand", who are shuttering refineries, who are pushing the dollar down into the cellar, who are starting wars in the oil producing countries.
THe whole thing is such a farce, it can scarcely be comprehended...and articles like this one just add to the incomprehension noise.
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Posted by: richholland on Jun 22, 2008 6:06 AM
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Mr.Reagan told us that Capitalisme and free trade give the world low prizes and so many people believe him.
However Mother Earth becomes raped and destroyed by the profit oriented capitalistic way of exploration.
Mr.Roosevelt fought with Stalin and the Communists to free the world.
Nowadays the Communists still make the lives of millions in China to a hell.
The influence of the slaveworkers and their well paid bosses in China the oilprice is about 10% (see comment above)
but the influence by SPECULATION in USA is nearly 30%
Besides that the oilcompanies have high profits.
Why so many people are convinced capitalisme is better than Communisme.
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Posted by: GreyFoxThree on Jun 22, 2008 6:20 AM
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Posted by: carbon-based on Jun 22, 2008 7:30 AM
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We have learned nothing - Carter, Bush 1 Clinton, Bush 2 all fall asleep on this issue. So what do we do..Our industry build more fuel inefficent cars - SUV's are the rage, alternative fuel research takes a back seat..etc..etc..
Now we have arguments about where to drill.. The immediate option is to destroy our environment with oil wells. Drill off shore.. more damage.
Why are we at this point..Because America loves their SUV's (me too). Why do they only get 15 to 20 MPG. Why arent they up to 30 and 40 MPG! Why do those that have to drive trucks get hammered.. Because congress is more concerned with days off than working on real issues!
I grew up in Miss - gulf coast.. Beautiful country roads, beaches are nice etc.. drive in that area now all you see are refineries - the place is ruined as are many other parts of the country. I agree with the dems and McCain on this one - no new drilling..it just prolongs the enevitable.
Personally we need to be brought to our knees before we act and we seem to be on our knees!
My SUV stays home and used only when I need to haul something. Seems more people are doing the same. The first time I can sell it without getting hammered it's a smart car for me!
The old saying, you dont shit where you eat applies here and America is shitting all over the dinner table!
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» When you can import foreign oil, why not give petroleum free cars a chance?
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Posted by: Romans1 on Jun 22, 2008 9:47 AM
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I'll tell you.
Gas guzzling automobiles and jet planes.
Hypocrites
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Posted by: Walks-in-Storms on Jun 22, 2008 3:14 PM
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I've begun installing hydrogen electrolsysis equipment on our vehicles, and will use the same to power a Tesla turbine for powering the house. It's also possible, Iowan as I am, that I will contract with farmer friends for Jatropha bio-fuel production.
Talk may satisfy egos; it doesn't satisfy any energy needs. Think about it (you might even look up the significant terms here).
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Posted by: JPHickey on Jun 22, 2008 5:12 PM
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Personally,I believe most of us have the government we deserve because we have been locked into the status quo outlook. Even as late as the early '90s Clinton proposed a carbon tax and just about laughed out of D.C.
As far back as the '60s some of the more enlightened hippies aspired to get off the grid and to grow their own organic food. Some of them are still living in their passive solar homes and growing their own food.
Being off the grid is a transcendental experience, like being an island of calm in the middle of the manipulative storm of ignorant and misguided national "leaders".
Really now, I believe the nation could be redirected and resusitated, but with an attenuated level of material consumption. But if enough of us believe the delusive spin of republicans insisting that more oil drilling and nuclear generating plants, the end of life as we've known it is must about assurred.
The locial fallacy of implying that out-moded nuclear and oil development will prove to be viable solutions to our current oil expenses is rediculous considering that nuclear couldn't come on line for a decade or more, and is essentially a near-criminal marriage between governmental funding and corrupted private developers. It is sickosociogovernmental socialism. And the oil drilling is little better except for being less directly funded by the government.
Right now, I'm more interested in getting free from the national economy before it totally crashes and burns, as best I can. But I must retain enough optimism to assume that the U.S. won't fall into anarchy and destructive revolution. In that case, all bets are off!
Patrick Hickey -- Sedona, Arizona
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Posted by: maxpayne on Jun 22, 2008 10:28 PM
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Japan water car
India compressed air car
Two great examples. They may not be perfect but can't we learn to give new and better ideas such as those a CHANCE for a change ?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5mZCxH0dFg
Now I sell the device to people for $200 + $100 for installation, plus install guide and email tech support. The kit includes everything you need to increase MPG. The Hydrogen burns with the gasoline as a supplement and burns cleaner, protecting our air and environment. Us Northern Californian's need to take advantage of this "surpressed" technology to revolt against the greedy Oil Corporations of the World and improve our environment by burning clean gas.
For the Revolution...
We never give up...
Michael A (from the Great Land of Lake County, CA)
OR BUILD ONE FOR YOURSELF...WWW.WATER4GAS.COM
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Posted by: snideelf on Jun 24, 2008 11:34 AM
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Drill for more oil in Alaska and off the US coast or else.
You want bin shiten coming over here to kill more Americans?
Invade Iraq or else.
Fill in blanks with your best Neo-Con con.
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Posted by: weslen1 on Jun 28, 2008 11:54 AM
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Not only were they ADAMANT about these FACTS, but announced them with the same disrespect and disdain for the congress as the scum Addington when questioned about torture advice given to the scum Cheney.
This whole thing is a SCAM to FORCE congress to allow drilling in the worst possible places, not to "fix" the "problem", but to make more BILLIONS for the company hacks with a big chunk going to Bush and Cheney's "coffers".
PERIOD!!!
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Posted by: mmckinl on Jun 21, 2008 12:35 AM
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Congress is too cowardly to point out that if Bush would just take military action off the table oil prices would fall because they are fully controlled by AIPAC.
Obama and McCain are also puppets of AIPAC. Obama went out of his way to coddle AIPAC with the speech he gave there. McCain is even more on board with AIPAC.
Did anyone of importance, Democrat or Republican announce the slightest bit of annoyance about the fact that Israel was discovered to have run practice maneuvers for bombing Iran?
The price of crude went right back up after the news of the Israeli War Games hit Wall Street.
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Posted by: BlackbirdHighway on Jun 21, 2008 3:04 AM
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This year, there are no McCain signs anywhere. While there are a couple Obama signs, mostly what you see in peoples lawns are Expeditions, Excursions, Suburbans, F-150s and the like, all with "For Sale" signs. Lots and lots of them.
It took a long time, but I think people are finally starting to get it.
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Posted by: PJAW on Jun 21, 2008 4:09 AM
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Reminds me of all "number two" guys that they claim to have taken down in al Queda. They never seem to find bin Laden, but they've managed to grab the alleged "number two guy" several times. Funny, the number two guy in the US administration seems to be the biggest problem as well. Number one is pretty much a dope.
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Posted by: UnEasyOne on Jun 21, 2008 4:38 AM
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So Greenspan created the housing bubble - to save us from the disaster he had enabled by a complete absence of oversight. "They're not making more land!" Remember? In fact, there were plenty of cornfields available to be paved over and prices shot up so far that nobody could actually afford to buy the damned things.
Now it is commodities and oil - particularly oil. We are running out of it. We were running out of it in 1913! Then again in the twenties, the forties, the seventies - and now they are calling it "peak oil."
There are reasons for the price increase. China, the declining dollar and many more. It's a scam. If somebody bombs Iran, the price might even double from here - but this is just another of many engineered shortages.
I actually think it is a shame that oil prices won't stay this high and higher. The short-term pain would be more than offset by the fact that we just might avoid climactic Armageddon as a result. But they won't.
Have you ever watched a huge flock of birds land almost in unison - and then alight almost simultaneously and all fly someplace else?
There is a huge pool of capital (money) collectively owned or managed by pension funds, sovereign wealth funds (China and other Asian countries, for example), hedge funds etc. It amounts to trillions of dollars and like that flock of birds looking for a field of grain, this "hot money" is looking for the "next best thing." And like that flock of birds, they all seem to land at once. Now, they are bidding up oil and other commodities. (Next they will be tossing huge sums at alternative energy - like they did biotech before the dotcom bubble)
How do they make money? By getting in early, bidding prices up - and getting out when the getting is good. By the time the suckers are buying, the flock has already moved elsewhere. Last one out gets skinned.
If you have perfect timing and can perfectly anticipate the crash, go ahead and invest in oil. Just remember that (to mix a metaphor) when elephants stampede, mice get crushed.
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Posted by: Purple Girl on Jun 21, 2008 5:01 AM
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Off Shore Drilling is an environmental concern,BUT it is Also a charade. It will take years to get up and Running, it's supply will only work to keep US still reliant on Oil ( a Finite resource) and will Only Push the Problem Further ahead while destroying the environment.
It should Not be Just Environmentalists screaming NO regarding Off Shore Drilling it is parents and anyone else who has a sense of duty to the future generations.We are not supposed to be 'Pushing it forward' We are supposed to be 'Paying it Forward'.Are we going to be the generation which the future generations look back on and ask 'What the Fuck were they Thinking?'
Frankly the situation as it stands -on so many issues and problems- is not only an Embarrassment, but Criminal when viewed from a Hindsight perspective.
I, for One, do not want to be despised by my descendants.So I am willing to do the hard things- Increase my taxes to bring down the deficit, increase education, healthcare funding and Retirement age, reduce gas supply and invest in Alternative energy research and developement. My sacrifics Now will be no more then those of my ancestors who struggled to provide a better life by Coming to America 6 generations ago - I honor their Efforts and Sacrifics and I Owe those to Come the same opportunity and Hope.
So anyone who is willing to use this Bandaid for the Fatal Gunshot wound of Oil Addiction is spitting on their grandparents graves and placing their grandchildren on the Global Auction Block.
BUCK UP!!
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Posted by: zoza on Jun 21, 2008 6:06 AM
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If Obama should be elected, hopefully he will have a vision sorely lacking in these retard-acons. McCain (Uncle Fester) would like to "Bomb, Bomb, Bomb Iran" and drill for oil in places where it would take 10 years to make any difference. I don't know how it can be said, but, he looks as dumb or dumber than Bush.
There should be declared and Earth Emergency by Obama enlisting all countries on Earth, large and small, to pony up a vast pool of trillions of dollars to find clean, alternative ways of producing energy. The technology is actually pretty much already in place. There is just a whole new, worldwide infrastructure that needs to be built. Millions of jobs would be created. The environment would be given a chance (a slim chance), of surviving. The global hot spots would be eliminated and there would be little reason to bomb, bomb, bomb anyone.
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Posted by: John Annis on Jun 21, 2008 6:53 AM
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The steep rise in prices has had benefits too, in that at these rates shale oil is worth recovering, and the US has no shortage of that.
But the top five importers to the US are Canada, Saudi Arabia, Mexico, Nigeria and Venezuela. The only other Middle Eastern countries on the list of top importers are Iraq and Kuwait, and together they export less than Venezuela to the US.
The US will lose its reserve currency status shortly, and with it the ability to make other countries pay in increasingly worthless USD. So Dick 'Duck' Cheney and his coterie of neocons and profiteers pick the one solution that is bound to aggravate prices - by fomenting mortal strife in the Middle East.
Whilst these people simply aren't smart enough to be responsible for a lot of stuff the conspiracy theorists accuse them of, it would be a mistake to think of them as stupid. When it comes to enlightened self-interest there is nobody to touch them.
Stop the speculation and forward-buying of oil, except for airlines and shipping companies, and most of the problem will go away. Confine the Zionists to their borders and it gets better still.
It's not such a mystery. There is NO shortage of oil, and you can't blame the OPEC members for increasing prices when they are losing money with the rapid depreciation of the USD.
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Posted by: WhatNow? on Jun 21, 2008 9:54 AM
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I've come to the conclusion that we are doomed as a species. There is too much stupidity and greed in a large percentage of amerikans to recover from the mess we are creating.
The thing that bothers me most is that all excess money being made from the higher prices is not being used to improve the situation. No! We get these foolish ideas like repealing the gas tax, pillaging Alaska, and opening up the ocean to even more stress.
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Posted by: jeffrey7 on Jun 21, 2008 10:06 AM
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Demand automakers get 50mpg trucks on the market. Cars that get 100mpg. If they don't...STOP BUYING CARS AND TRUCKS. If you keep up the servicing on your vehicle it will last for decades. Once they go a few years without a single sale you'll see prices drop like Bush's popularity.
Jeffrey7 for Prez '08
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Posted by: ReallyBearish on Jun 21, 2008 10:06 AM
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The price of a barrel of oil in terms of gold hasn't changed much in the last 8 years. It's gone up mainly in terms of dollars.
The REAL problem is the FED and their cheap dollar policy. Peak oil and shortages haven't even kicked in yet. When that happens the price will really soar. There is no oil bubble-- yet.
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Posted by: jbowen43 on Jun 21, 2008 11:14 AM
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This may be apparent to you but it's not to many experts, especially those who pursue facts.
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Posted by: TJ-stars4peace on Jun 21, 2008 11:20 AM
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This is one of the biggest swindles in history and now due to these swindlers the gas prices are being manipulated by the likes of Bush and Republican lying swine to push for drilling in ANWAR and off shore where there is Oil and even more natural Gas but these would be on line for years to come in some cases 10 years away such as ANWAR..
If we repeal The Commodities and Futures Modernization Act which contains the Enron Loophole tomorrow prices would go down from 25 to 50%...as was testified to before the Senate Commerce Committee Hearing by Professor Michael Greenberger the former director of the Commodities and Futures Commission..
Will prices go up if or I should say when Bush and Israel attack Iran..Hell yes God damn you betcha ya..but again till will be worsened greatly by the Enron Loophole these guys many former Enron employees no less now with Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley and other Hedge funds will gouge our eyes out for Gas and Oil products..
Keith Olbermann did a great report on this I hoped Alternet would get to run the video, here go to The Countdown site and watch McCain and the Enron loophole..
Here's the URL for it..
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/#25252591
If you don't know about The Commodities and Futures Modernization Act and the Enron Loophole you don't know what's really going on..
Simple as that..
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Posted by: memary10 on Jun 21, 2008 2:16 PM
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The Commodity Futures Trading Commission is not doing its job. Phil Gramm's manipulations gave Enron a deregulation loophole big enough to drive a bus through which allowed it to bilk California and cause us all a great deal of suffering. That loophole has never been closed and speculative greed is one of the major engines driving the rapidly escalating price of oil. The average American is really suffering and our economy is being damaged to feed the greed of speculators. Please support an investigation into this manipulation before we have another Enron scandal featuring many of the same cast of characters.
I'm sending it to everyone in congress I can reach. Please feel free to cut and paste.
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Hemp can produce several different kinds of fuel. In the 1800's and 1900's hempseed oil was the primary source of fuel in the United States and was commonly used for lamps and other oil energy needs. The diesel engine was originally designed to run on hemp oil because Rudolf Diesel assumed that it would be the most common fuel. Hemp is also the most efficient plant for the production of methanol. It is estimated that, in one form or another, hemp grown in the United States could provide up to ninety percent of the nation's entire energy needs.
Source: Schaffer Library of Drug Policy
Hemp is 4 times more efficient than corn as biofuel. Hemp pellets can be used to produce clean electricity.
... so powerful it could replace every type of fossil fuel energy product (oil, coal, and natural gas).
... This plant is the earth's number one biomass resource or fastest growing annual plant for agriculture on a worldwide basis, producing up to 14 tons per acre. This is the only biomass source available that is capable of producing all the energy needs of the U.S. and the world...
Hemp will produce cleaner air and reduce greenhouse gases. When biomass fuel burns, it produces CO2 (the major cause of the greenhouse effect), the same as fossil fuel; but during the growth cycle of the plant, photosynthesis removes as much CO2 from the air as burning the biomass adds, so hemp actually cleans the atmosphere. After the first cycle there is no further loading to the atmosphere...
Source: USA Hemp Museum
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Posted by: JohnJlws on Jun 21, 2008 3:07 PM
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"...compounded by the ruinous policies of the Bush Administration..."
and fell out of my chair. Shocking! Unbelievable! To think, this Administration came up with "ruinous policies."
Bush, Rove, Cheney, McCain, Crist and their ilk (i.e., a significant percentage of republicans) couldn't find Bush's brain with a team of proctologists, a super-powerful electronic microscope and lots and lots of really big flashlights.
Obama '08
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Posted by: TreeLuvBurdpu on Jun 21, 2008 3:46 PM
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Anyway these higher oil costs are finally encouraging investment in solar, wind, and other energy sources. I even know a guy who is developing self-installed fuel cells on cars. We have seen the steepest drop in miles driven on our roads since they started recording. We waste a lot of gas. Now that it is more expensive we are starting to think about it and that is a good thing.
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» RE: Maybe we didn't go into Iraq to get cheap oil?
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Posted by: dayahka on Jun 21, 2008 4:16 PM
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You are mostly right about the Bush administration's role in the energy policy, but you fail to see their dilemma: An alternative fuels program coupled with conservation would result in an admission that the age of cheap oil--and thus the American empire--is over, something Bush refused to do. Instead of leading, he decided to affirm the status quo and extend, for a few years at best, the role of oil in this system (I hesitate to use the word civilization here because America is hardly a civilized country)--and hence Iraq's oil became of prime importance.
The next president, whomever he may be, is going to face the same dilemma: announce the end of the American dream (and the oil-based civilization) or control more of the diminishing sources of oil by military force, thus postponing the end by a negligible amount of time.
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Posted by: grahamhgreen on Jun 21, 2008 4:24 PM
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War in Iraq.
War in Iraq.
Oilman in the Whitehouse and all that goes with it.
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Posted by: WaldoMaui on Jun 21, 2008 4:42 PM
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With the largest military budget on the planet--far more than that of all other nations combined--and more than 700 military bases throughout the world, the U.S. military requires a staggering amount of oil.
The U.S. military itself, charged with protecting U.S. oil interests in the world, undermines its own mission by being so gigantic.
Ironic, wouldn't you say?
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Posted by: Daniel35 on Jun 21, 2008 7:56 PM
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Finding more oil, biofuels, fuel conservation, even alternative sources of energy are only various levels of short term solutions under an economic system that mandates continued growth in population and energy consumption per person.
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Posted by: lexicon on Jun 21, 2008 8:46 PM
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Well, supply and demand is always a factor, but to assume that the oil market is anything near a "supply and demand" market, is just silly.
To blame Bush is way too simplistic. He's an idiot. Let's blame the folks who are behind bush, pulling the strings on "supply and demand", who are shuttering refineries, who are pushing the dollar down into the cellar, who are starting wars in the oil producing countries.
THe whole thing is such a farce, it can scarcely be comprehended...and articles like this one just add to the incomprehension noise.
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http://www.addictedtoaggravation.com/
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Posted by: richholland on Jun 22, 2008 6:06 AM
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Mr.Reagan told us that Capitalisme and free trade give the world low prizes and so many people believe him.
However Mother Earth becomes raped and destroyed by the profit oriented capitalistic way of exploration.
Mr.Roosevelt fought with Stalin and the Communists to free the world.
Nowadays the Communists still make the lives of millions in China to a hell.
The influence of the slaveworkers and their well paid bosses in China the oilprice is about 10% (see comment above)
but the influence by SPECULATION in USA is nearly 30%
Besides that the oilcompanies have high profits.
Why so many people are convinced capitalisme is better than Communisme.
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Posted by: GreyFoxThree on Jun 22, 2008 6:20 AM
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Posted by: carbon-based on Jun 22, 2008 7:30 AM
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We have learned nothing - Carter, Bush 1 Clinton, Bush 2 all fall asleep on this issue. So what do we do..Our industry build more fuel inefficent cars - SUV's are the rage, alternative fuel research takes a back seat..etc..etc..
Now we have arguments about where to drill.. The immediate option is to destroy our environment with oil wells. Drill off shore.. more damage.
Why are we at this point..Because America loves their SUV's (me too). Why do they only get 15 to 20 MPG. Why arent they up to 30 and 40 MPG! Why do those that have to drive trucks get hammered.. Because congress is more concerned with days off than working on real issues!
I grew up in Miss - gulf coast.. Beautiful country roads, beaches are nice etc.. drive in that area now all you see are refineries - the place is ruined as are many other parts of the country. I agree with the dems and McCain on this one - no new drilling..it just prolongs the enevitable.
Personally we need to be brought to our knees before we act and we seem to be on our knees!
My SUV stays home and used only when I need to haul something. Seems more people are doing the same. The first time I can sell it without getting hammered it's a smart car for me!
The old saying, you dont shit where you eat applies here and America is shitting all over the dinner table!
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» And don't forget the quality of the oil being drilled.
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» When you can import foreign oil, why not give petroleum free cars a chance?
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Posted by: Romans1 on Jun 22, 2008 9:47 AM
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I'll tell you.
Gas guzzling automobiles and jet planes.
Hypocrites
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Posted by: Walks-in-Storms on Jun 22, 2008 3:14 PM
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I've begun installing hydrogen electrolsysis equipment on our vehicles, and will use the same to power a Tesla turbine for powering the house. It's also possible, Iowan as I am, that I will contract with farmer friends for Jatropha bio-fuel production.
Talk may satisfy egos; it doesn't satisfy any energy needs. Think about it (you might even look up the significant terms here).
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Posted by: JPHickey on Jun 22, 2008 5:12 PM
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Personally,I believe most of us have the government we deserve because we have been locked into the status quo outlook. Even as late as the early '90s Clinton proposed a carbon tax and just about laughed out of D.C.
As far back as the '60s some of the more enlightened hippies aspired to get off the grid and to grow their own organic food. Some of them are still living in their passive solar homes and growing their own food.
Being off the grid is a transcendental experience, like being an island of calm in the middle of the manipulative storm of ignorant and misguided national "leaders".
Really now, I believe the nation could be redirected and resusitated, but with an attenuated level of material consumption. But if enough of us believe the delusive spin of republicans insisting that more oil drilling and nuclear generating plants, the end of life as we've known it is must about assurred.
The locial fallacy of implying that out-moded nuclear and oil development will prove to be viable solutions to our current oil expenses is rediculous considering that nuclear couldn't come on line for a decade or more, and is essentially a near-criminal marriage between governmental funding and corrupted private developers. It is sickosociogovernmental socialism. And the oil drilling is little better except for being less directly funded by the government.
Right now, I'm more interested in getting free from the national economy before it totally crashes and burns, as best I can. But I must retain enough optimism to assume that the U.S. won't fall into anarchy and destructive revolution. In that case, all bets are off!
Patrick Hickey -- Sedona, Arizona
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Posted by: maxpayne on Jun 22, 2008 10:28 PM
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Japan water car
India compressed air car
Two great examples. They may not be perfect but can't we learn to give new and better ideas such as those a CHANCE for a change ?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5mZCxH0dFg
Now I sell the device to people for $200 + $100 for installation, plus install guide and email tech support. The kit includes everything you need to increase MPG. The Hydrogen burns with the gasoline as a supplement and burns cleaner, protecting our air and environment. Us Northern Californian's need to take advantage of this "surpressed" technology to revolt against the greedy Oil Corporations of the World and improve our environment by burning clean gas.
For the Revolution...
We never give up...
Michael A (from the Great Land of Lake County, CA)
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Posted by: snideelf on Jun 24, 2008 11:34 AM
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Drill for more oil in Alaska and off the US coast or else.
You want bin shiten coming over here to kill more Americans?
Invade Iraq or else.
Fill in blanks with your best Neo-Con con.
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Posted by: weslen1 on Jun 28, 2008 11:54 AM
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Not only were they ADAMANT about these FACTS, but announced them with the same disrespect and disdain for the congress as the scum Addington when questioned about torture advice given to the scum Cheney.
This whole thing is a SCAM to FORCE congress to allow drilling in the worst possible places, not to "fix" the "problem", but to make more BILLIONS for the company hacks with a big chunk going to Bush and Cheney's "coffers".
PERIOD!!!
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