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How Do America's Super-Rich Get Away With Acting Like 'Just Folks'?
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In some ways, the second Gilded Age is worse than the first. Sure, we live longer now, more of us can read and you don't have to be a white man to be able to vote. But to prove my point, consider two big parties, thrown 110 years apart.
In February 1897 elite lawyer Bradley Martin and his wife, Cornelia, threw a costume ball at the Waldorf. J.P. Morgan dressed as Molière, John Jacob Astor dressed as Henry of Navarre and brandished a sword covered in jewels, and fifty women dressed as Marie Antoinette. But the hosts were so nervous about "men of socialistic tendencies" that they surrounded the hotel with Pinkertons and had the first-floor windows nailed shut.
In February 2007 Blackstone CEO Steve Schwarzman threw himself a sixtieth birthday party for hundreds of his closest friends. Rod Stewart sang for about half an hour, earning a million for his efforts. The party was at the Seventh Regiment Armory on Park Avenue -- just seventeen blocks north of the Waldorf. The building has a rich history. In the second half of the nineteenth century the Seventh Regiment, nominally a state National Guard unit, was a kind of private militia staffed by the men of New York's upper class; though they didn't like to fight much, they did put down a strike or two. And the armory itself -- decorations by Louis Tiffany -- was built at the end of the 1870s (with private funds) as part of an urban-fortress building boom driven by the need to suppress the restive working class. We had populists in the heartland, socialists in the cities and labor radicals everywhere, who wanted to subdue corporate power and redistribute some income. The confrontations were sharp and often violent -- but that history is largely forgotten. After the bomb-sniffing dogs had done their work, the biggest security challenge at Schwarzman's party seems to have been keeping the army of photographers safely penned up and nosy onlookers out. No worries about men with socialistic tendencies climbing in the windows to do their revolutionary mischief.
After the Martins' party, there was a huge public outcry at its egregious too-muchness, and the couple exiled themselves to England to escape their critics. After his party, Schwarzman got a little bad press, and some unpleasant questions were raised about the low tax rate his private-equity business operates under, but he was hardly driven into exile. In fact, Schwarzman remains comfortably lodged in one of the most spectacular residences in New York City, a Park Avenue apartment that once belonged to John D. Rockefeller Jr.
It's not just the absence of the socialist threat at Schwarzman's party that marks the difference between the Gilded Ages, though that's pretty striking. The contrast in social pretensions is almost as striking. As Sven Beckert shows in his excellent book The Monied Metropolis, the elite of the first Gilded Age dressed as royalty at the Martins' costume ball because they were consciously trying to project themselves as an upper class in a nominally republican, egalitarian society. Our elite, though obviously not afraid to spend on a grand scale, often affect a "just folks" presentation. So, though Schwarzman has his personal chef prepare him stone crabs that cost $400 apiece for a casual Saturday lunch, he hired the profoundly middlebrow Rod Stewart to croon at his birthday party. And though Schwarzman is usually photographed in a business suit, and occasionally in formalwear, many of his Wall Street colleagues prefer open-necked shirts and khakis as their work clothes. Class conflict was a lot more open, on both sides of the divide, a century ago.
Of course, the style of dress that's come to be known as hedge-fund casual isn't bought at your local Nordstrom's. A couple of years ago, the Wall Street Journal put together a representative outfit that a male hedge-funder would wear to work in Greenwich, Connecticut (the epicenter of the industry): shoes by Cole Haan, $365; trousers by Ermenegildo Zegna, $495; shirt by Armani, $315; messenger bag (no dorky briefcase!) by Tumi, $395. Total, not including underwear and socks: $1,570 -- not all that much below $1,874, the average household's annual expenditure on clothing in 2006. But that's just for the hedge-fund rank and file; for the top guys, who take in a billion a year or more, it's private jets and even personal submarines.
Still, that just-folks presentation, even if it does come with a high price tag, seems to help encourage aspirational overconsumption by the upper middle class. If they sort of look like you, then maybe you can sort of live like them. So, outfit the kitchen with a Sub-Zero refrigerator and a Wolf cooktop. You won't have an in-house chef to do the cooking for you, $400 crabs are a little beyond your reach and you may have to tap the home equity line to pay for the appliances -- but you, too, can feel like a participant in the new Gilded Age. Or could, until the job market headed south and the credit markets froze up.
And what about the sources of the fortunes that dominated the two Gilded Ages? The elite of the nineteenth century was fresh from building a massive industrial infrastructure, like steel mills and a transcontinental railroad system. Yes, it came with massive amounts of securities fraud (a reminder that financial chicanery is hardly a recent innovation in American economic history), not to mention waste, surplus capacity and shoddy workmanship. But it did result in the transformation of the United States from a relative backwater to a global industrial power.
How did Schwarzman and his colleagues in the private-equity and hedge-fund rackets, probably the most prominent members of today's overclass, make their money? Mainly by taking over existing assets and milking them for fees, dividends and interest payments. Sure, there are some new fortunes that come from high technology, but the biggest of those are the piles accumulated by Bill Gates and his Microsoft colleagues Paul Allen and Steve Ballmer (respectively numbers 1, 11 and 16 on the Forbes 400 list). Microsoft has made its money mainly from the monopoly status of its mediocre Windows operating system. The encouragement of innovation is one of the most common rationales for the accumulation of large fortunes put forward by the system's publicists, but it would be hard to name any significant ways Microsoft has been an innovator.
Oh, and there's the Walton family (three tied at number 12 and one at 16), whose fortune comes from Wal-Mart, whose low prices have helped the working class cope with the downward mobility that Wal-Mart has helped create.
People on the left are always looking to recession or worse as some sort of wake-up call to the masses, who were narcotized during the boom times but will be awakened by harder times. The historical record on this isn't all that encouraging. There was the great example of the 1930s, but that may be the exception that proves the rule, since it was so extreme. We aren't likely to see a 25 percent unemployment rate again, as we did in 1933, and it's hard to wish for a rerun, unless you like the idea of putting 30 million more Americans out of work to make a political point. The 1950s, a decade that saw two recessions; the 1970s, a decade known for a deep recession and persistent stagflation; and the early 1980s, when the economy experienced its worst downturn since the 1930s, are not known for progressive mobilization.
But you do have to wonder what will happen to the political culture now that the second Gilded Age seems to be drawing to a close. (The fact that Schwarzman and his partner, Pete Peterson, took Blackstone public in 2007 suggests that they agree: it looks like they were cashing in at a market top. The housing bust will probably be a drag on the economy, and on household finances, for quite some time; and the job market, which turned in its weakest performance of any post-World War II expansion between 2001 and 2007, is now contracting and likely to continue to do so. The first Gilded Age was succeeded by the corporate-friendly reforms of the Progressive Era -- but whatever small-p progressive content they had was stimulated by all the political ferment during the boom. It's likely we'll see some kind of re-regulation of the economic system in the coming years, but what kind and how much will we see, when the fat years were so politically quiescent?
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Posted by: non-person on Jun 14, 2008 12:37 AM
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After 40 years of determined effort by unions, which was met by vicious repression across the board, many basic rights (like the 40 hr work week) were achieved and put into law during FDR's administration.
Ever since the 1950s, the same powers that hated Roosevelt and that were investing in Nazi Germany during the 1930s have been trying to overturn those reforms.
A nice example of the behavior of these individuals in the post WWII era is provided by Antonia Juhasz in her book, The Bush Agenda, on Bechtel c.1952
"Bechtel was most interested, however, in making nuclear power both commercial and profitable. . . One of Bechtel's first opponents in this endeavor was President Truman, who argued that nuclear energy "was too important a development to be made the subject of profit-seeking." Bechtel responded by supporting Dwight Eisenhower's successful 1953 presidential bid and was swiftly rewarded for its efforts. . . In 1957, Eisenhower named John McCone head of the AEC. Twenty years earlier, Bechtel and McCone had founded the Bechtel-McCone Corporation. . ."
"During McCone's confirmation hearing, Ralph Casey of the General Accounting Office, . . . declared "At no time in the history of American business, whether in wartime or in peacetime, have so many men made so much money with so little risk, and all at the expense of taxpayers, not only of this generation but of generations to come."
France, by contrast, has a publicly owned and controlled and regulated nuclear energy sector - something the likes of pro-nuclear advocates like the new Mother Jones never mention.
Interlocking state-corporate relationships are at the heart of this system - and the reason that people are silent about it is because the press is controlled by the same people who are reaping billions in taxpayer-funded profits today. They call it "privatization" but all that means is that private interests get a fat cut of the taxpayer funds - or of "Iraqi reconstruction funds" or of "Katrina reconstruction funds" - nothing but legalized bribery and robbery.
How do they get away with it? Well, we live in a country controlled by a massive domestic propaganda system - it pervades every area of American life, from the left to the right, and from the top to the bottom.
Still, you have to point the finger squarely at the American people for falling for it. There's no excuses - "We were lied to!" - whatever - any rube could have told you you were being lied to. If you didn't know, you could have made the effort to find out, right?
It's also worth remembering that those very same conditions described above - the 1900 U.S. labor conditions - are the standard in places like China and Indonesia and Mexico - and that's who makes your clothes, I imagine. All those hard-won union jobs were shipped overseas to slave labor countries - a program aided immensely by the Clintons and the Republicans, under the guise of NAFTA, GATT, TRIPS, the IMF, the World Bank, the WTO, USAID, the Export Import Bank, the Overseas Credit Corporation, etc. etc.
That's what we've become - a nation of hypocrites. Or media is entirely corrupt, and so is the academic system, at least at the upper tiers. Oh, there are "good people", as the gerbils like to say, but hey, there were good people working for the Nazis, weren't there?
As they say, all it takes for evil to flourish is for good people to keep their mouths shut and do as they're told.
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Posted by: fosters005 on Jun 14, 2008 3:17 AM
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Posted by: Docent on Jun 14, 2008 3:34 AM
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they'll be just identical to the rest of us!
And, by the way, I never saw a Brinks Armoured
Truck following a funeral!
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Posted by: Moonray on Jun 14, 2008 3:52 AM
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Our children are taught very early that systematic sharing -- especially government-sponsored sharing -- is to be viewed with suspicion and hostility. Legislated fairness is for sissies and commies. "Real Americans" prefer the bootstrap approach and those without bootstraps probably did something wrong along the way, so to hell with them.
In recent decades, of course, the rich have been celebrated as heroes in a nonstop media bombardment that brainwashes the public daily. And articulate socialists are never, never, NEVER seen or heard in the media. Ain't the free market wonderful? (Pay no attention to that little troll behind the curtain who is running the money-printing press and granting no-bid contracts to weapons manufacturers.)
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Posted by: nochicagoboys on Jun 14, 2008 4:03 AM
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It's job creation during the "new Gilded Age".
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Posted by: hagwind on Jun 14, 2008 4:10 AM
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A closer look at the socialists, anarchists, labor leaders, and other radicals of the late 19th century might be useful too. I suspect you'll find that many (maybe even most?) were either immigrants or the children of immigrants. They'd been exposed to socialist ideas in (or from) Europe, they were held at arm's length by native-born Americans, and they were part of the communities they were trying to organize. The extremely wealthy of the time were overwhelmingly WASP. Their contempt for "the masses" -- especially the Catholic masses with roots in Ireland or southern Europe -- was obvious, reciprocated, and shared by plenty of non-rich native-born WASPs. Over the decades, though, some of them got smarter. They realized that co-opting unions was less messy and more effective than hiring Pinkertons. Co-opting and assimilating (or appearing to assimilate) the upper-echelon masses is too.
What many left-leaning politicos miss is just how remote the rich and super-rich, the powerful and super-powerful, are from most of us on the ground. They influence our lives for sure -- the way Zeus and the other Olympians did with their feuds and romances and thunderbolts -- but our influence over them is minimal. So we go about our lives and hope that we don't get caught up in the next feud or romance or hit by the next thunderbolt. And you know what? This is a pretty sensible and realistic approach to day-to-day survival. Organzing for even small changes on the most local level takes enough time and effort, and at least then you can see the results of your efforts. Organizing a bunch of people to braid a lariat that can be used to restrain Zeus's throwing arm? This looks like pie in the sky by comparison.
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Posted by: blogbooks on Jun 14, 2008 5:34 AM
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After all, our culture teaches us that wealthy people are just smarter and harder working than everyone else. Poor people are stupid and lazy. If you really believed that how could you hold any contempt for your wealthy overlords? You look to them as an example to follow, and worship them because they are superior to the common man.
The cult of celebrity is at the core of it all. Life Styles of the rich and famous, Cribs, American Idol, all this pop garbage that gives people a voyeuristic glimpse into a life they think they can actually have if they just work hard enough.
Don't expect much from Americans. When millions of us are in the streets starving to death and dying of easily treatable diseases....OH WAIT WE ALREADY ARE.
So you see, there is on escape and there is no hope. The future is trillionaires on their space yachts zooming around like gods while the rest of us toil in the dirt.
This is the American dream.
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Posted by: daniel347x on Jun 14, 2008 6:18 AM
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Hagwind suggested something similar in her (I assume her?) posting: Organizing a bunch of people to braid a lariat that can be used to restrain Zeus's throwing arm? This looks like pie in the sky.
It is a common phenomenon for people in the mid to upper middle-class left to encapsulate a class of people and then completely separate that class from themselves. It's the philosophy that "poor people suffer so greatly" and giving donations to social work organizations while passing by poor people on the street without sacrificing one's lifestyle to stop and have a conversation - the kind of conversations that poor people have constantly as a way to network and to survive.
Class is one of the profound features of our capitalist society, and classism is a profoundly detrimental social force. People in the mid to upper-middle class are severely self-isolating and classist in our society. No amount of saying we're nothing like the super-rich can justify this disgusting and disgraceful feature of life today. It is the highly educated and mid to upper middle class that do the dirty work involved in supporting the super-rich - and in turn the super-rich pay those in this class to do the work.
So an article like this misses the point. Yes, the super-rich are a problem. But they don't just pop into existence as though by magic, as though they are just a few greedy, ignorant selfish people ... evil people ... that appear out of nowhere, as this article implies by omission. No, they exist because the mid and upper middle class support them.
That's the real story about class in our society. This article misses the point.
Every time a mid to upper-middle class person walks past a homeless person, and ignores them, on the way to attend class at a private university or grad school or on the way to a high-paying and seemingly rewarding job (if they're not overworked to the bone, just as some of the superrich are), they themselves are no different than the super-rich in essential defining features.
This is the central point that ought to be highlighted in any article on this subject - that the article doesn't even discuss, doesn't even mention. It would be like writing an article about the minisculely small fraction of women who are murdered as a result of domestic violence, without once mentioning the word sexism.
The article doesn't state the essential point that our class-based society is the problem; panning it off on the super-rich - without context - is just the smokescreen that prevents people from looking inside themselves.
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Posted by: daw13 on Jun 14, 2008 6:38 AM
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Class warfare was always a part of our reality, and always orchestrated from the top. But never so effectively as today. Evidence of how effectively the ruling class has ruled us is the degree to which they have no need to fear revolution. Only some bitching, and occasional tantrums. People seek personal security within an elite run system rather than the end of obscene opulence and the social injustice that supports it.
Can this change? Of course, but only when WE THE PEOPLE absorb the fact that those who rule us are very aware of our potential to unseat them and work hard to undermine it. What do they see in us that we don't?
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Posted by: BlueBerry PickN on Jun 14, 2008 7:39 AM
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Have you noticed that *nothing* looks like the majority of homes in North America?
unless they're showing **criminals**... the the homes look oddly similar to the majority of the population.
which means the entire population finds itself struggling to make their homes look 'more middleclass'... because that would be 'normal'... otherwise, you'd feel like you lived below the social standards.
Ever notice that shame that you sometimes get that you don't seem to 'have enough'? that your home isn't Trading Spaces or Home & Garden spiffy? that you don't have the latest clothes or visit the latest restaurants?
how many chicks blow bouncers so they can be 'in the Club' or VIP room with 'the Rich Kids'? how many women trade sex for 'gifts' of status items like purses, jewelry... ? so they can look affluent enough to attract a 'better man' & compete against her 'friends'?
it takes rigid self-control to remember... it doesn't need to be & that you'll be better off if it doesn't.
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Posted by: Sojourner on Jun 14, 2008 7:53 AM
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Back in the early 1960s, I took a class in "Practical Politics" that was sponsored by the Chamber of Commerce in Sioux City, Iowa. Little did I realize at the time that was an indicator of American business' determination to treat democracy like a resource in need of exploitation. Now we have the best government that money can buy.
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Posted by: sausage on Jun 14, 2008 8:05 AM
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But there was one little thing, as a kid growing up in the Fifties and Sixties, that puzzled me; there seemed to be a gap...a large blank as it were...between the end of the Civil War and America's entry into World War I.
My mother bought me this series of history books at the local grocery store. Wonderful little books full of reproductions of four-color illustrations from nineteenth century magazines and newspapers. Great political cartoons. I remember--so foregive me if my memory's not totally acurate--two in particular: One depicted Eugene V. Debbs sitting atop a bridge, wearing a crown on his head; another showed a "crazy" Free Silver advocate astride a donkey being chased by McKinely or someone in a police uniform of the times.
But there was very little text to go with the illustrations. Just some platitudes about labor unrest, the Gilded Age, crazy William Jennings Bryan and "Fightin'" Bob La Follette. Anyway, that stuff, even though there were pictures of the Pullman strike and the Haymarket Riot, wasn't nearly as interesting as the heroics on the battle fields of Europe and later the Pacific.
And it was that way in every history class I took until college.It really wasn't until I picked up the book It Didn't Happen Here:Why Socialism Failed in the United States by Seymour Martin Lipset and Gary Marks that I gained a better understanding of the history of late nineteenth and early twentieth century labor history.
I'll cut this short by noting, in post-WWII America the labor union movement has been co-opted by consumerism and weakened by Rand-cult libertarianism (the most pernicious and socially destructive form of libertarianism) within the rank and file. Also, due in large part to Reagan-Bush I-Clinton-Bush II federal education funding cuts and the simplistic "No Child Left Behind" edict from the court of King Dim-Son, history cirriculum, as well as art and music, is neglected.
As the sage George Santayana noted:A country without a memory is a country of madmen.
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Posted by: makeadifference on Jun 14, 2008 8:27 AM
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When you finally see the middle class wanting revenge you will see action. The poor have always been poor ... it's the NEWly poor that might fight back ...or maybe they'll just leave the good old USA and watch it tank from a distance.
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Posted by: billwald on Jun 14, 2008 9:46 AM
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These days the people on welfare can have all the same sorts of consumer goods as the rich people. The rich people have better quality stuff and don't have to stand in line to get their goods and services.
The rich people want power, not more stuff. During the last few big revolutions the workers knew who to kill by their dress and the cars they rode in. How will we know who to shoot? We don't know who our owners are.
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Posted by: Gravitas on Jun 14, 2008 9:51 AM
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But there is another type of false consciousness at work most people don't see, and that is our definition of morality has changed. Now, one of the most "moral" things one can do is be obsessed with one's own body and stay very very thin. In fact, the rich are thinner than the poor in the U.S. Someone termed it an "inconspicuous consumption." We see an ultra thin rich woman and all we think about is the sacrifice she makes to get her body that slim. All the moral outrage goes to the average Josephina. It is headless plush behind the media loves to portray as the new symbol of gluttony and greed. Never mind that that swelte rich *itch in her mansion and jet may be using a 100 times more resources that the average person on the street. We immediately associate denial with the former and indulgence with the later. Weight obsession is a form of class warfare, that just so happens to also funnel billions from the middle class to the rich each year. And it fails to be recognized as such. Which makes it all the more effective.
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P.S.: If you can spend an hour a day watching Info-tainment bs, then taking one hour for a few days to build a solar powered generator for your home and even apartment can get you off the corporate grid. At least that would be a start towards drying out the lumpsums of the uber-rich.
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Posted by: TJ-stars4peace on Jun 14, 2008 1:22 PM
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The purpose of government is to Serve The People instead it has been perverted twisted and now the government exists to Serve the Corporate Interest and those of the super elite..the top 1% actually the top 0.7% Bush's tax cuts are a good earmark of this reversal but also there are so many other sign posts along the way...
Groups such as the Bilderberg Group are evidence of the arrogance and high command controlling and directing the strategy of this class warfare being waged not just in America but it is a world war or international as well..
As long as Bilderberg has such direct control over our media and banking policies and politicians there is little hope for the average American and or We The People...and Obama if elected is not about to bring the change we really needed...
Whatever is to be done I know this it must begin with Americans once again realizing their government is meant to serve them..and their best interests corporations are not people and they have no right to "personhood" that is how perverted things have gotten..how is a corporation a person..?
If we focus and ask every time something is passed in Congress or proposed how does this Serve The People we'd be better off..but time is running out and we are the ones losing this war, We The People..
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Posted by: estherme on Jun 14, 2008 1:55 PM
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Anyone noticed that when people like JFK, RFK & MLK who want to do anything for average Americans or poor-they are killed. Super wealthy & CIA are involved in this, not lone killers they want you to believe. Too much information coming out & declassified papers showing the secrecy done. Conspiracy theories are not so far-fetched! Super rich have no principles! Read history on the Rockefellers, JP Morgan etc, they stole peoples lands for oil etc. They made gov't use eminent domain to steal private property for big business use. They did other dirty deeds to make their $. Not from hard work! Research before gov't changes the history books to favor them. See youtube for George Carlin's stand up comedy, he says it like it really is about the real world you & I live in.
Conservatives recently voted against the "Tax Big Profits of Oil Companies" that $ would have helped social programs. They had to protect their own! America had since the 1970's oil crisis to do something about gas prices. Both parties did nothing, they wanted the rich to get their profits & it continues today!
Thomas Jefferson said "No people can be both ignorant & free." It's time Americans see what the super-rich & Conservatives are really like. People should be able to make good wages or become rich. It's when this is done by corrupted, illegal methods & controling gov't to hurt the poor, working poor, middle class & elderly & the decline of our country that it should be criminal & prosecuted! Gov't bailed out Wall Street banks in the sub-prime mess as in the Saving & Loan scandal (remember Neil Bush),Conservatives say home owners should have known better. Instead bail out innocent bankers who did the shit! Again protect their own! These bailouts are done with taxpayers $! Rich & conservatives don't want you to learn about gov't corruption or what is really going on because it would be harder for them to BS or scam you into thinking you will be rich one day. Majority of Americans will never be super rich or wealthy, but they continue to believe it & re-elect career politicians who only want to keep their free perks, $ they steal from public, $ from special interests & to keep getting elected! They don't care about the American people who continue to believe the BS. We need to elect those who will do for average Americans (are there any). The rich will always be able to take care of themselves! Don't care about them! It makes no sense for people to vote against their own best interests !
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Posted by: BlueGorilla on Jun 14, 2008 5:48 PM
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For me,the difference is in hegomony.Real class conflict,so often airbrushed from history in the USA,has shown a sometimes slow,occasionaly abrupt( McCarthy era) decline.
The media,the legal system ,the politicians etc,have ensured that class conflict and socialism are terms which are demonised.
Look at the response,to mildly leftist requests ,for example a more socialised healthcare system.
Even on this site,such a proposition is met with ludicrous and inaccurate responses,labelling the notion as "Soviet" or reflecting of a desire for "a dictatorship of the proletariat".
After picking myself up of the floor,where I had been laughing,a depression started to hang over me.
Is the mere notion of fairness,in healthcare,or welfare so beyond the pale in the USA ?
Has the victory of the marketeers,in the arena of ideas,been so complete that it is seen as okey to waste trilions on bombing other countries,but not even a tiny percentage of that money on making sure,that each citizen's physical and psychological problems are treated..regardless of ability to pay?
Yes,is the answer when it comes to mainstream America.
I look at a politician like Tony Blair in the UK,and the frightening thought is,that in the USA he would be on the extreme left.His support for welfare,and belief in healthcare being "free at the point of issue",certainly would lead to him being cast as a red,even amongst US liberals.That is how far the shadow of McCarthy is cast across the USA.
Yet in the UK
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There is a lot of anger,in the USA ,as hopes and dreams are shattered,and the illusions of the middle class are replaced by cold truth.
Capitalism creates conflict,that is its nature.When capitalist societies are more affluent,and relatively stable,this conflict becomes manageable.Added to this,in America's case,many of the worst jobs,have been exported abroad,away from view..much potential conflict is exported with these jobs.
However ,the re-emergence of anger arrives when the rich are coining it in,and the masses are experiencing unemployment,insecurity and poverty.
Anger alone,won't bring change though.Change needs direction and organisation,otherwise people are brought off with a few concessions (which is where The Democrats come in),or worse the anger is misdirected by types like Fox news,into racism,sexism,chauvanistic militarism or rampant and bogus patriotism.
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My favorite might've been the one in the subject line, found here -- it crams a boatload of useful info into its compact format, and the 12-step structure actually works pretty well when discussing our society's current infatuation with runaway inequality. It's also a recipe for putting out this fire that's consuming the lives of so many "little people".
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I take it he does not like Aristotle who taught moderation in all things and says we propose taking 98% of the assets of the super rich as alternative to feasting from the droppings of the high life. But when the scale of the top CEO's goes from 20 times over the average wage to 500 times over the average wage is he actually saying the average sucker is now 25 times less productive? And what about the idle heirs and progeny of these people? Then let's talk about the waste in Iraq as just one example, as result of the non-bid work of that Bechtel polyp, Halliburton.
To "Redbird with a lot of digits, whomever you really are, whom do you really think is getting
the largesse from the taxpayers?
Is it the bag ladies or the dudes holding Bechtel?
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Justice Black's opinion stated that just such publications as those were intended to be protected by the First Amendment's declaration that "Congress shall make no law. . .abridging the freedom of the press."
Paramount among the responsibilities of a free press, he said, "is the duty to prevent any part of the Government from deceiving the people and sending them off to distant lands to die of foreign fevers and foreign shot and shell.
"In my view, far from deserving condemnation for their courageous reporting, The New York Times, The Washington Post and other newspaper should be commended for serving the purpose that the Founding Fathers saw so clearly," he said. "In revealing the workings of government that led to the Vietnam war, the newspapers nobly did precisely that which the founders hoped and trusted they would do."
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use of 'folks'-
compared to the rich ignoramuses,
the working class would be
more accurately called 'peasants' to them...
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Everybody's a "liberal" these days. Support the socially liberal bedroom issue de jour --Just don't challenge that top 1% greadiest oinkers for their cash.
Even Wal Mart is politically correct. Just try starting a union there.
There's a big difference between liberals and the bare-knuckled populists who were the last generation to challenge the Plutocracy.
There is, and there always has been.
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If you don't live in New York, don't worry. The show is archived in MP3 format and is available for FREE from WBAI's website. That's how I get it every week. Check it:
http://archive.wbai.org/
Look for "Behind the News" and right-click on the "download" button (uh...on Mac isn't it option+click?), then "save as" whatever filename suits you.
To all my fellow AlterNet readers with mp3-playin' capability, I highly recommend the show. If you're an iTunes user you can subscribe to the podcast through their network, too.
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Wikipedia:
" The Pareto principle (also known as the 80-20 rule, the law of the vital few and the principle of factor sparsity) states that, for many events, 80% of the effects come from 20% of the causes. Business management thinker Joseph M. Juran suggested the principle and named it after Italian economist Vilfredo Pareto, who observed that 80% of income in Italy went to 20% of the population. It is a common rule of thumb in business; e.g., "80% of your sales comes from 20% of your clients."
It is worthy of note that some applications of the Pareto principle appeal to a pseudo-scientific "law of nature" to bolster non-quantifiable or non-verifiable assertions that are "painted with a broad brush". The fact that hedges such as the 90/10, 70/30, and 95/5 "rules" exist is sufficient evidence of the non-exactness of the Pareto principle. On the other hand, there is adequate evidence that "clumping" of factors does occur in most phenomena. "
Sure, you can stack the deck, politically, religiously, whatever. But even the stackers are subject to this natural law, sooner or later.
Note that the 20% slice of the pie that represents that concentration of wealth will always be there, as will the slice representing the top 10%, 15%, and so on. This is mathematics. The persons or entities occupying those slots change over time, but the slots will not.
The accumulation of money is subject to certain laws of the universe, like anything else. "It takes money to make money", it's been said, and it's true. What else will the wealthy do but invest in ways to grow their money? I should expect them to give it to me? That said, examples still abound of people who start out with a pittance at their kitchen table, work hard and succeed. Or, if you start young and save up all the money you're otherwise spending on fast food, ipods, celphones, cable TV and other ways to comfort yourself (funny how many "poor" people still manage to have more toys than I do), you can be a millionaire by the time you retire. Don't take it from me - read The Wealthy Barber.
If you make making money your goal, you will do it. Everything else is griping.
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Posted by: Rod from Canada on Jun 19, 2008 12:33 PM
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Maybe those in the superich nowadays, know that, deep down, there is much about themselves that is, indeed, shallow and insubstantial, compared to their ancestors - reflected in what they produce, not real wealth, like farm equipment, railways, ships, etc.
So they don't cloak themselves in the genuine, aristocratic cloth. It would be too out of sync and phoney for them. They know they don't deserve it.
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When was the last time you joined a discussion about how our welfare "reform"/workfare labor
has been one of the two most powerful tools for breaking unions, wiping out fundamental workers' rights and protections and suppressing wages? The primary function of workfare has been to create a massive pool of super-cheap, no-choice replacement labor, keeping the poor in poverty for the profit of corporations. We have been indoctrinated since the "Reagan/Gingrich Revolution" to shun our poor. Anyone familiar with US history can only be amazed at the similarities between America's ugly attitude toward/treatment of workfare labor and the attitude toward/treatment of the "Okies" of the Great Depression.
I know of no successful social movement in history that excluded the poor, as we do today.
Ignoring the desperate state of our poor has been like sitting back, doing nothing, while the very foundation of your house is crumbling.
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Posted by: non-person on Jun 14, 2008 12:37 AM
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After 40 years of determined effort by unions, which was met by vicious repression across the board, many basic rights (like the 40 hr work week) were achieved and put into law during FDR's administration.
Ever since the 1950s, the same powers that hated Roosevelt and that were investing in Nazi Germany during the 1930s have been trying to overturn those reforms.
A nice example of the behavior of these individuals in the post WWII era is provided by Antonia Juhasz in her book, The Bush Agenda, on Bechtel c.1952
"Bechtel was most interested, however, in making nuclear power both commercial and profitable. . . One of Bechtel's first opponents in this endeavor was President Truman, who argued that nuclear energy "was too important a development to be made the subject of profit-seeking." Bechtel responded by supporting Dwight Eisenhower's successful 1953 presidential bid and was swiftly rewarded for its efforts. . . In 1957, Eisenhower named John McCone head of the AEC. Twenty years earlier, Bechtel and McCone had founded the Bechtel-McCone Corporation. . ."
"During McCone's confirmation hearing, Ralph Casey of the General Accounting Office, . . . declared "At no time in the history of American business, whether in wartime or in peacetime, have so many men made so much money with so little risk, and all at the expense of taxpayers, not only of this generation but of generations to come."
France, by contrast, has a publicly owned and controlled and regulated nuclear energy sector - something the likes of pro-nuclear advocates like the new Mother Jones never mention.
Interlocking state-corporate relationships are at the heart of this system - and the reason that people are silent about it is because the press is controlled by the same people who are reaping billions in taxpayer-funded profits today. They call it "privatization" but all that means is that private interests get a fat cut of the taxpayer funds - or of "Iraqi reconstruction funds" or of "Katrina reconstruction funds" - nothing but legalized bribery and robbery.
How do they get away with it? Well, we live in a country controlled by a massive domestic propaganda system - it pervades every area of American life, from the left to the right, and from the top to the bottom.
Still, you have to point the finger squarely at the American people for falling for it. There's no excuses - "We were lied to!" - whatever - any rube could have told you you were being lied to. If you didn't know, you could have made the effort to find out, right?
It's also worth remembering that those very same conditions described above - the 1900 U.S. labor conditions - are the standard in places like China and Indonesia and Mexico - and that's who makes your clothes, I imagine. All those hard-won union jobs were shipped overseas to slave labor countries - a program aided immensely by the Clintons and the Republicans, under the guise of NAFTA, GATT, TRIPS, the IMF, the World Bank, the WTO, USAID, the Export Import Bank, the Overseas Credit Corporation, etc. etc.
That's what we've become - a nation of hypocrites. Or media is entirely corrupt, and so is the academic system, at least at the upper tiers. Oh, there are "good people", as the gerbils like to say, but hey, there were good people working for the Nazis, weren't there?
As they say, all it takes for evil to flourish is for good people to keep their mouths shut and do as they're told.
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they'll be just identical to the rest of us!
And, by the way, I never saw a Brinks Armoured
Truck following a funeral!
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Posted by: Moonray on Jun 14, 2008 3:52 AM
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Our children are taught very early that systematic sharing -- especially government-sponsored sharing -- is to be viewed with suspicion and hostility. Legislated fairness is for sissies and commies. "Real Americans" prefer the bootstrap approach and those without bootstraps probably did something wrong along the way, so to hell with them.
In recent decades, of course, the rich have been celebrated as heroes in a nonstop media bombardment that brainwashes the public daily. And articulate socialists are never, never, NEVER seen or heard in the media. Ain't the free market wonderful? (Pay no attention to that little troll behind the curtain who is running the money-printing press and granting no-bid contracts to weapons manufacturers.)
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Posted by: nochicagoboys on Jun 14, 2008 4:03 AM
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It's job creation during the "new Gilded Age".
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Posted by: hagwind on Jun 14, 2008 4:10 AM
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A closer look at the socialists, anarchists, labor leaders, and other radicals of the late 19th century might be useful too. I suspect you'll find that many (maybe even most?) were either immigrants or the children of immigrants. They'd been exposed to socialist ideas in (or from) Europe, they were held at arm's length by native-born Americans, and they were part of the communities they were trying to organize. The extremely wealthy of the time were overwhelmingly WASP. Their contempt for "the masses" -- especially the Catholic masses with roots in Ireland or southern Europe -- was obvious, reciprocated, and shared by plenty of non-rich native-born WASPs. Over the decades, though, some of them got smarter. They realized that co-opting unions was less messy and more effective than hiring Pinkertons. Co-opting and assimilating (or appearing to assimilate) the upper-echelon masses is too.
What many left-leaning politicos miss is just how remote the rich and super-rich, the powerful and super-powerful, are from most of us on the ground. They influence our lives for sure -- the way Zeus and the other Olympians did with their feuds and romances and thunderbolts -- but our influence over them is minimal. So we go about our lives and hope that we don't get caught up in the next feud or romance or hit by the next thunderbolt. And you know what? This is a pretty sensible and realistic approach to day-to-day survival. Organzing for even small changes on the most local level takes enough time and effort, and at least then you can see the results of your efforts. Organizing a bunch of people to braid a lariat that can be used to restrain Zeus's throwing arm? This looks like pie in the sky by comparison.
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Posted by: blogbooks on Jun 14, 2008 5:34 AM
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After all, our culture teaches us that wealthy people are just smarter and harder working than everyone else. Poor people are stupid and lazy. If you really believed that how could you hold any contempt for your wealthy overlords? You look to them as an example to follow, and worship them because they are superior to the common man.
The cult of celebrity is at the core of it all. Life Styles of the rich and famous, Cribs, American Idol, all this pop garbage that gives people a voyeuristic glimpse into a life they think they can actually have if they just work hard enough.
Don't expect much from Americans. When millions of us are in the streets starving to death and dying of easily treatable diseases....OH WAIT WE ALREADY ARE.
So you see, there is on escape and there is no hope. The future is trillionaires on their space yachts zooming around like gods while the rest of us toil in the dirt.
This is the American dream.
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Posted by: daniel347x on Jun 14, 2008 6:18 AM
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Hagwind suggested something similar in her (I assume her?) posting: Organizing a bunch of people to braid a lariat that can be used to restrain Zeus's throwing arm? This looks like pie in the sky.
It is a common phenomenon for people in the mid to upper middle-class left to encapsulate a class of people and then completely separate that class from themselves. It's the philosophy that "poor people suffer so greatly" and giving donations to social work organizations while passing by poor people on the street without sacrificing one's lifestyle to stop and have a conversation - the kind of conversations that poor people have constantly as a way to network and to survive.
Class is one of the profound features of our capitalist society, and classism is a profoundly detrimental social force. People in the mid to upper-middle class are severely self-isolating and classist in our society. No amount of saying we're nothing like the super-rich can justify this disgusting and disgraceful feature of life today. It is the highly educated and mid to upper middle class that do the dirty work involved in supporting the super-rich - and in turn the super-rich pay those in this class to do the work.
So an article like this misses the point. Yes, the super-rich are a problem. But they don't just pop into existence as though by magic, as though they are just a few greedy, ignorant selfish people ... evil people ... that appear out of nowhere, as this article implies by omission. No, they exist because the mid and upper middle class support them.
That's the real story about class in our society. This article misses the point.
Every time a mid to upper-middle class person walks past a homeless person, and ignores them, on the way to attend class at a private university or grad school or on the way to a high-paying and seemingly rewarding job (if they're not overworked to the bone, just as some of the superrich are), they themselves are no different than the super-rich in essential defining features.
This is the central point that ought to be highlighted in any article on this subject - that the article doesn't even discuss, doesn't even mention. It would be like writing an article about the minisculely small fraction of women who are murdered as a result of domestic violence, without once mentioning the word sexism.
The article doesn't state the essential point that our class-based society is the problem; panning it off on the super-rich - without context - is just the smokescreen that prevents people from looking inside themselves.
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Posted by: daw13 on Jun 14, 2008 6:38 AM
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Class warfare was always a part of our reality, and always orchestrated from the top. But never so effectively as today. Evidence of how effectively the ruling class has ruled us is the degree to which they have no need to fear revolution. Only some bitching, and occasional tantrums. People seek personal security within an elite run system rather than the end of obscene opulence and the social injustice that supports it.
Can this change? Of course, but only when WE THE PEOPLE absorb the fact that those who rule us are very aware of our potential to unseat them and work hard to undermine it. What do they see in us that we don't?
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Posted by: BlueBerry PickN on Jun 14, 2008 7:39 AM
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Have you noticed that *nothing* looks like the majority of homes in North America?
unless they're showing **criminals**... the the homes look oddly similar to the majority of the population.
which means the entire population finds itself struggling to make their homes look 'more middleclass'... because that would be 'normal'... otherwise, you'd feel like you lived below the social standards.
Ever notice that shame that you sometimes get that you don't seem to 'have enough'? that your home isn't Trading Spaces or Home & Garden spiffy? that you don't have the latest clothes or visit the latest restaurants?
how many chicks blow bouncers so they can be 'in the Club' or VIP room with 'the Rich Kids'? how many women trade sex for 'gifts' of status items like purses, jewelry... ? so they can look affluent enough to attract a 'better man' & compete against her 'friends'?
it takes rigid self-control to remember... it doesn't need to be & that you'll be better off if it doesn't.
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Posted by: Sojourner on Jun 14, 2008 7:53 AM
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Back in the early 1960s, I took a class in "Practical Politics" that was sponsored by the Chamber of Commerce in Sioux City, Iowa. Little did I realize at the time that was an indicator of American business' determination to treat democracy like a resource in need of exploitation. Now we have the best government that money can buy.
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Posted by: sausage on Jun 14, 2008 8:05 AM
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But there was one little thing, as a kid growing up in the Fifties and Sixties, that puzzled me; there seemed to be a gap...a large blank as it were...between the end of the Civil War and America's entry into World War I.
My mother bought me this series of history books at the local grocery store. Wonderful little books full of reproductions of four-color illustrations from nineteenth century magazines and newspapers. Great political cartoons. I remember--so foregive me if my memory's not totally acurate--two in particular: One depicted Eugene V. Debbs sitting atop a bridge, wearing a crown on his head; another showed a "crazy" Free Silver advocate astride a donkey being chased by McKinely or someone in a police uniform of the times.
But there was very little text to go with the illustrations. Just some platitudes about labor unrest, the Gilded Age, crazy William Jennings Bryan and "Fightin'" Bob La Follette. Anyway, that stuff, even though there were pictures of the Pullman strike and the Haymarket Riot, wasn't nearly as interesting as the heroics on the battle fields of Europe and later the Pacific.
And it was that way in every history class I took until college.It really wasn't until I picked up the book It Didn't Happen Here:Why Socialism Failed in the United States by Seymour Martin Lipset and Gary Marks that I gained a better understanding of the history of late nineteenth and early twentieth century labor history.
I'll cut this short by noting, in post-WWII America the labor union movement has been co-opted by consumerism and weakened by Rand-cult libertarianism (the most pernicious and socially destructive form of libertarianism) within the rank and file. Also, due in large part to Reagan-Bush I-Clinton-Bush II federal education funding cuts and the simplistic "No Child Left Behind" edict from the court of King Dim-Son, history cirriculum, as well as art and music, is neglected.
As the sage George Santayana noted:A country without a memory is a country of madmen.
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When you finally see the middle class wanting revenge you will see action. The poor have always been poor ... it's the NEWly poor that might fight back ...or maybe they'll just leave the good old USA and watch it tank from a distance.
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Posted by: billwald on Jun 14, 2008 9:46 AM
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These days the people on welfare can have all the same sorts of consumer goods as the rich people. The rich people have better quality stuff and don't have to stand in line to get their goods and services.
The rich people want power, not more stuff. During the last few big revolutions the workers knew who to kill by their dress and the cars they rode in. How will we know who to shoot? We don't know who our owners are.
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Posted by: Gravitas on Jun 14, 2008 9:51 AM
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But there is another type of false consciousness at work most people don't see, and that is our definition of morality has changed. Now, one of the most "moral" things one can do is be obsessed with one's own body and stay very very thin. In fact, the rich are thinner than the poor in the U.S. Someone termed it an "inconspicuous consumption." We see an ultra thin rich woman and all we think about is the sacrifice she makes to get her body that slim. All the moral outrage goes to the average Josephina. It is headless plush behind the media loves to portray as the new symbol of gluttony and greed. Never mind that that swelte rich *itch in her mansion and jet may be using a 100 times more resources that the average person on the street. We immediately associate denial with the former and indulgence with the later. Weight obsession is a form of class warfare, that just so happens to also funnel billions from the middle class to the rich each year. And it fails to be recognized as such. Which makes it all the more effective.
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P.S.: If you can spend an hour a day watching Info-tainment bs, then taking one hour for a few days to build a solar powered generator for your home and even apartment can get you off the corporate grid. At least that would be a start towards drying out the lumpsums of the uber-rich.
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Posted by: TJ-stars4peace on Jun 14, 2008 1:22 PM
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The purpose of government is to Serve The People instead it has been perverted twisted and now the government exists to Serve the Corporate Interest and those of the super elite..the top 1% actually the top 0.7% Bush's tax cuts are a good earmark of this reversal but also there are so many other sign posts along the way...
Groups such as the Bilderberg Group are evidence of the arrogance and high command controlling and directing the strategy of this class warfare being waged not just in America but it is a world war or international as well..
As long as Bilderberg has such direct control over our media and banking policies and politicians there is little hope for the average American and or We The People...and Obama if elected is not about to bring the change we really needed...
Whatever is to be done I know this it must begin with Americans once again realizing their government is meant to serve them..and their best interests corporations are not people and they have no right to "personhood" that is how perverted things have gotten..how is a corporation a person..?
If we focus and ask every time something is passed in Congress or proposed how does this Serve The People we'd be better off..but time is running out and we are the ones losing this war, We The People..
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Posted by: estherme on Jun 14, 2008 1:55 PM
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Anyone noticed that when people like JFK, RFK & MLK who want to do anything for average Americans or poor-they are killed. Super wealthy & CIA are involved in this, not lone killers they want you to believe. Too much information coming out & declassified papers showing the secrecy done. Conspiracy theories are not so far-fetched! Super rich have no principles! Read history on the Rockefellers, JP Morgan etc, they stole peoples lands for oil etc. They made gov't use eminent domain to steal private property for big business use. They did other dirty deeds to make their $. Not from hard work! Research before gov't changes the history books to favor them. See youtube for George Carlin's stand up comedy, he says it like it really is about the real world you & I live in.
Conservatives recently voted against the "Tax Big Profits of Oil Companies" that $ would have helped social programs. They had to protect their own! America had since the 1970's oil crisis to do something about gas prices. Both parties did nothing, they wanted the rich to get their profits & it continues today!
Thomas Jefferson said "No people can be both ignorant & free." It's time Americans see what the super-rich & Conservatives are really like. People should be able to make good wages or become rich. It's when this is done by corrupted, illegal methods & controling gov't to hurt the poor, working poor, middle class & elderly & the decline of our country that it should be criminal & prosecuted! Gov't bailed out Wall Street banks in the sub-prime mess as in the Saving & Loan scandal (remember Neil Bush),Conservatives say home owners should have known better. Instead bail out innocent bankers who did the shit! Again protect their own! These bailouts are done with taxpayers $! Rich & conservatives don't want you to learn about gov't corruption or what is really going on because it would be harder for them to BS or scam you into thinking you will be rich one day. Majority of Americans will never be super rich or wealthy, but they continue to believe it & re-elect career politicians who only want to keep their free perks, $ they steal from public, $ from special interests & to keep getting elected! They don't care about the American people who continue to believe the BS. We need to elect those who will do for average Americans (are there any). The rich will always be able to take care of themselves! Don't care about them! It makes no sense for people to vote against their own best interests !
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Posted by: BlueGorilla on Jun 14, 2008 5:48 PM
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For me,the difference is in hegomony.Real class conflict,so often airbrushed from history in the USA,has shown a sometimes slow,occasionaly abrupt( McCarthy era) decline.
The media,the legal system ,the politicians etc,have ensured that class conflict and socialism are terms which are demonised.
Look at the response,to mildly leftist requests ,for example a more socialised healthcare system.
Even on this site,such a proposition is met with ludicrous and inaccurate responses,labelling the notion as "Soviet" or reflecting of a desire for "a dictatorship of the proletariat".
After picking myself up of the floor,where I had been laughing,a depression started to hang over me.
Is the mere notion of fairness,in healthcare,or welfare so beyond the pale in the USA ?
Has the victory of the marketeers,in the arena of ideas,been so complete that it is seen as okey to waste trilions on bombing other countries,but not even a tiny percentage of that money on making sure,that each citizen's physical and psychological problems are treated..regardless of ability to pay?
Yes,is the answer when it comes to mainstream America.
I look at a politician like Tony Blair in the UK,and the frightening thought is,that in the USA he would be on the extreme left.His support for welfare,and belief in healthcare being "free at the point of issue",certainly would lead to him being cast as a red,even amongst US liberals.That is how far the shadow of McCarthy is cast across the USA.
Yet in the UK
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There is a lot of anger,in the USA ,as hopes and dreams are shattered,and the illusions of the middle class are replaced by cold truth.
Capitalism creates conflict,that is its nature.When capitalist societies are more affluent,and relatively stable,this conflict becomes manageable.Added to this,in America's case,many of the worst jobs,have been exported abroad,away from view..much potential conflict is exported with these jobs.
However ,the re-emergence of anger arrives when the rich are coining it in,and the masses are experiencing unemployment,insecurity and poverty.
Anger alone,won't bring change though.Change needs direction and organisation,otherwise people are brought off with a few concessions (which is where The Democrats come in),or worse the anger is misdirected by types like Fox news,into racism,sexism,chauvanistic militarism or rampant and bogus patriotism.
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My favorite might've been the one in the subject line, found here -- it crams a boatload of useful info into its compact format, and the 12-step structure actually works pretty well when discussing our society's current infatuation with runaway inequality. It's also a recipe for putting out this fire that's consuming the lives of so many "little people".
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I take it he does not like Aristotle who taught moderation in all things and says we propose taking 98% of the assets of the super rich as alternative to feasting from the droppings of the high life. But when the scale of the top CEO's goes from 20 times over the average wage to 500 times over the average wage is he actually saying the average sucker is now 25 times less productive? And what about the idle heirs and progeny of these people? Then let's talk about the waste in Iraq as just one example, as result of the non-bid work of that Bechtel polyp, Halliburton.
To "Redbird with a lot of digits, whomever you really are, whom do you really think is getting
the largesse from the taxpayers?
Is it the bag ladies or the dudes holding Bechtel?
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Justice Black's opinion stated that just such publications as those were intended to be protected by the First Amendment's declaration that "Congress shall make no law. . .abridging the freedom of the press."
Paramount among the responsibilities of a free press, he said, "is the duty to prevent any part of the Government from deceiving the people and sending them off to distant lands to die of foreign fevers and foreign shot and shell.
"In my view, far from deserving condemnation for their courageous reporting, The New York Times, The Washington Post and other newspaper should be commended for serving the purpose that the Founding Fathers saw so clearly," he said. "In revealing the workings of government that led to the Vietnam war, the newspapers nobly did precisely that which the founders hoped and trusted they would do."
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Posted by: RobP on Jun 15, 2008 8:48 AM
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use of 'folks'-
compared to the rich ignoramuses,
the working class would be
more accurately called 'peasants' to them...
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Posted by: Philip Newton on Jun 15, 2008 9:12 AM
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Everybody's a "liberal" these days. Support the socially liberal bedroom issue de jour --Just don't challenge that top 1% greadiest oinkers for their cash.
Even Wal Mart is politically correct. Just try starting a union there.
There's a big difference between liberals and the bare-knuckled populists who were the last generation to challenge the Plutocracy.
There is, and there always has been.
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Posted by: Coleman on Jun 15, 2008 4:15 PM
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If you don't live in New York, don't worry. The show is archived in MP3 format and is available for FREE from WBAI's website. That's how I get it every week. Check it:
http://archive.wbai.org/
Look for "Behind the News" and right-click on the "download" button (uh...on Mac isn't it option+click?), then "save as" whatever filename suits you.
To all my fellow AlterNet readers with mp3-playin' capability, I highly recommend the show. If you're an iTunes user you can subscribe to the podcast through their network, too.
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Posted by: racetoinfinity on Jun 15, 2008 4:25 PM
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Posted by: Ignatz deFyre on Jun 16, 2008 12:16 PM
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Wikipedia:
" The Pareto principle (also known as the 80-20 rule, the law of the vital few and the principle of factor sparsity) states that, for many events, 80% of the effects come from 20% of the causes. Business management thinker Joseph M. Juran suggested the principle and named it after Italian economist Vilfredo Pareto, who observed that 80% of income in Italy went to 20% of the population. It is a common rule of thumb in business; e.g., "80% of your sales comes from 20% of your clients."
It is worthy of note that some applications of the Pareto principle appeal to a pseudo-scientific "law of nature" to bolster non-quantifiable or non-verifiable assertions that are "painted with a broad brush". The fact that hedges such as the 90/10, 70/30, and 95/5 "rules" exist is sufficient evidence of the non-exactness of the Pareto principle. On the other hand, there is adequate evidence that "clumping" of factors does occur in most phenomena. "
Sure, you can stack the deck, politically, religiously, whatever. But even the stackers are subject to this natural law, sooner or later.
Note that the 20% slice of the pie that represents that concentration of wealth will always be there, as will the slice representing the top 10%, 15%, and so on. This is mathematics. The persons or entities occupying those slots change over time, but the slots will not.
The accumulation of money is subject to certain laws of the universe, like anything else. "It takes money to make money", it's been said, and it's true. What else will the wealthy do but invest in ways to grow their money? I should expect them to give it to me? That said, examples still abound of people who start out with a pittance at their kitchen table, work hard and succeed. Or, if you start young and save up all the money you're otherwise spending on fast food, ipods, celphones, cable TV and other ways to comfort yourself (funny how many "poor" people still manage to have more toys than I do), you can be a millionaire by the time you retire. Don't take it from me - read The Wealthy Barber.
If you make making money your goal, you will do it. Everything else is griping.
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Posted by: Rod from Canada on Jun 19, 2008 12:33 PM
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Maybe those in the superich nowadays, know that, deep down, there is much about themselves that is, indeed, shallow and insubstantial, compared to their ancestors - reflected in what they produce, not real wealth, like farm equipment, railways, ships, etc.
So they don't cloak themselves in the genuine, aristocratic cloth. It would be too out of sync and phoney for them. They know they don't deserve it.
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Posted by: oldman1942 on Jun 21, 2008 2:30 PM
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Posted by: Dianka on Jul 2, 2008 5:13 AM
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When was the last time you joined a discussion about how our welfare "reform"/workfare labor
has been one of the two most powerful tools for breaking unions, wiping out fundamental workers' rights and protections and suppressing wages? The primary function of workfare has been to create a massive pool of super-cheap, no-choice replacement labor, keeping the poor in poverty for the profit of corporations. We have been indoctrinated since the "Reagan/Gingrich Revolution" to shun our poor. Anyone familiar with US history can only be amazed at the similarities between America's ugly attitude toward/treatment of workfare labor and the attitude toward/treatment of the "Okies" of the Great Depression.
I know of no successful social movement in history that excluded the poor, as we do today.
Ignoring the desperate state of our poor has been like sitting back, doing nothing, while the very foundation of your house is crumbling.
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