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'This is a Class War' -- Auto Workers Fight 50 Percent Pay Cut Demand
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There are five more lines going south on St. Aubin Street, and two to the north. Spirits are high, and strikers are dressed warmly to face the bitter tail of winter weather.
More than 3,600 American Axle workers have been on strike since February 26 at this plant and four other plants in Detroit and Three Rivers, Michigan, and two Buffalo suburbs, Cheektowaga and Tonawanda, New York. The plants produce the axles and parts for every General Motors light truck and SUV built in North America. Their chokehold on auto production was quickly felt: 28 GM plants at press time have stopped their lines as a result of the strike.
Line in the Sand
Many workers prepared for the strike and are ready to stay out as long as it takes. One Detroit plant worker had gone as far as putting aside money for two years in anticipation of the strike. When asked about how he was faring four weeks into the strike he replied, "like a piece of cake."
Picketers talk about the need to draw a line in the sand against spiraling concessions on wages, health care benefits, and pensions.
American Axle stands out in the U.S. auto industry because it has stayed profitable since spinning off from General Motors. Staying in the black hasn't stopped the company's CEO, Dick Dauch -- who himself averaged $14.5 million in annual compensation between 2003 and 2006 -- from demanding two-tier wage concessions.
In 2004, American Axle workers were told by the company and the UAW International that they had to accept two-tier wages. Although the AAM contract was voted down in the Detroit flagship plant, it passed nationally over job security fears.
In 2007, two-tier wages were expanded to the Big 3. Now AAM wants the same wage scale found at those companies, a scale that nearly halves starting wages from $27 to $14 an hour.
Strikers, for their part, are demanding wage parity with Ford and Chrysler axle workers, where the union never conceded on two tier. Shifting Gears, a rank-and-file newsletter distributed at all American Axle plants, has consistently hammered over the last year on the need for wage parity in its pages.
Community and union supporters have been a constant presence on the picket lines -- as has their food and donations. GM, Chrysler, Ford, and Delphi workers stop by the lines and commonly voice their support for the kind of strike action they wished they had seen at their companies.
"We know that American Axle workers got two-tier [wages] in 2004, and in 2008 it was forced on us," said one such picket line supporter, Marcus Hamilton, a Pontiac Truck and Bus worker. "If they force wage cuts on seniority workers at a profitable company, it will come back on us next time... This is a class war."
Plant closings are also a major issue in the strike. After the union refused to open up the contract in 2006 to grant concessions, the company idled Buffalo Gear and Axle plant despite "no plant closing" contract language. The work was moved to American Axle operations in Mexico.
The corporation may be using its profitability to maneuver away from union shops. Last September, American Axle opened a non-union forging operation in Oxford, Michigan, and declared that it wanted to close two forges covered by the contract.
There are now only 3,600 workers left in plants covered by the national pattern agreement, and the company wants to eliminate 1,000 more.
The strike is technically not over plant closings or wages, though. The UAW has filed a complaint with the National Labor Relations Board that the company has withheld information during negotiations. The annual cost of the prescription drug plan and vision plan, and the company's calculations on the per-hour cost of retiree health care and pension plans, were among the points of information the company withheld.
Union Promised Cuts
After the strike began, documents surfaced from negotiations showing that prior to the strike, the UAW International had been willing to cut both skilled trades and production workers' wages by up to $5 an hour.
American Axle said it has offered the union at the table retirement incentives, buy-outs, and lump sum payments in exchange for permanently lower wages. (Many in the workforce have put in almost 15 years and would be foregoing secure pension and health care benefits if they accepted lump sum payments.)
At an informational meeting at Local 235, members told international reps that they would not pass a contract that contained deep cuts. Several locals have passed motions to see the actual contract language at least a week before the vote and to have observers at the ballot boxes and during the vote count.
Many of the strikers have been moved by the picket line solidarity.
"Our members have been surprised by the support from the community, which is just as good if not better after three weeks," said Kevin Bushouse, an executive board member at Local 2093 in Three Rivers.
"Many of us see how important it will be for us to support others when their time of need comes."
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Posted by: mmckinl on Apr 15, 2008 12:19 AM
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The threats to outsource, close plants and open non union shops are all here. How do people compete with this kind of skullduggery?
The big question is will the American Middle and Working Classes wake up before their funeral ... ?
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Posted by: Bobsays on Apr 15, 2008 3:31 AM
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The unions never get this though. They just keep trying to extort the same high wages for doing the same junky work. And then plant after plant goes out of business.
It would be like Apple forcing people to buy and use the first MacIntosh computer because it was good enough and it protected union jobs.
The best protection for American jobs and companies is innovation and moving forward. That puts pressure on salaries and makes sure there is a floor salaries will not go through. Whereas, a stagnant and protected market will in the short-term guarantee high paying jobs, but will build in decay and eventually layoffs and bankruptcy, and thus fewer jobs.
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A deal made sweeter by......NAFTA!!!
NAFTA partially created and fully supported by: HILLARY CLINTON!!!!
Hillary Clinton, of course, is fully supported by: UNIONS!!!
Wait, what??
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Posted by: richholland on Apr 15, 2008 6:37 AM
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In Europe oilcompanies HAVE to work together with government. In the Board there must be a member from the workers/tradeunion.
The problem is that workers think a billionaire is a normal thing, they donot realise it is their labor.
i.e. why american companies sell to europe bio-ethanol cheaper then we can produce ourself??
why not use it in the USA.
our government help with susidies but wants in return influence and profitshare.
as long as you have pure Capitalisme the population wlll be in trouble.
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Posted by: Illiteratilumen on Apr 15, 2008 6:43 AM
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Alternet publishes article after article that stereotype and insult people from the Midwest and South. Now they switch gears all of a sudden when they get a quote from a worker that says "class warfare". What gives?
I don't come to this site to hear how brave my fellow Midwesterners are for standing up to their employer (who can't run a decent organization). I come to this site to hear how we are all a bunch of slack-jawed troglodytes who are ruining the country with our guns and trucks and our minding our own business so I can get indignant about it and argue with uppity posters. I really feel let down here.
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Posted by: BlueBerry PickN on Apr 15, 2008 8:54 AM
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They were so freaking EAGER to be told that Mexican or Canadian unions were their ENEMY.
Humanism is greater than Nationalism...
unless you believe human rights & prosperity is a "zero-sum game"...
in that case, you're merely a thug who will eventually be crushed by bigger bastards than you are.
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Those who dam streams can build fountains
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young boy is killed by a gun-toting driver
...caught him, shot him...
cause the kid went too far
when the mad was asked why
he replied with conviction
"i caught the young punk throwing stones at my car"
...stones at my car...
Uncle Sam's on the billboard
Stars n Stripes shining!
as I drive by he's a message for me
the sign reads "The Constant Preparation for War
this is the Preservation of Peace!"
there's a war in our streets
there's a war in our streets
and we're loading our minds
with the word self-defence
take someone's Life for
crossing over our Fence
there's a war in our streets
there's a war in our streets
and we're loading our minds
with the word self-defence
take someone's Life for crossing over our fence
that's the Freedom
tricks on his door sent an old man's heart racing
tricks on his mind broke his patience in two
he answers the door
... ! with the crack of a rifle !
paper boy dies delivering the News
...he becomes the News...
fold heroes and murders
they're condoned and condemned
they're crucified and idolized
for taking their stand
is this how we live?
all good people on guard
defending our Rights
in the home and native land
there's a war in our streets
there's a war in our streets
and we're loading our minds
with the word self-defence
take someone's Life
for crossing over our Fence
there's a war in our streets
there's a war in our streets
and we're loading our minds
with the word self-defence
take someone's life for crossing over your fence
that's Our Freedom!
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Posted by: Knot_Rich on Apr 15, 2008 11:31 AM
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How cute. Sorry loser, no sympathy comming from here. Living in what used to be the textile region, your plight seems pittiful. While over 300,000 jobs were being lost in the Carolina's alone, outsourced for cheaper labor, where were you? Nothing, not a word of support from the big unions, after all, UAW members are all highly skilled craftsmen, they surely wouldn't outsource those jobs. Textile workers were only the lowly end of the totem pole, let those jobs go over to those dollar a day labor markets. Let the thousands of idled workers retrain, get themselves real skills like we have. But outsourcing to cheap labor markets has a way of creeping up the food chain, white collar clerical jobs, reading x-rays, computer programming, oh no, now even UAW members. Now, suddenly, these poor souls whine for support. Where were these UAW members while all these other folks were losing their jobs? Oh yeah, I remember now, at Walmart buying those cheap Chinese goods instead of American made goods, ignoring even those with the union label inside. I remember seeing their cars in the parking lot, they were easy to spot, the Toyota's with the "Foreign Steel Steals American Jobs" bumper stickers. I'll see if I can't round up some of the 10,000 unemployed textile workers in my county to have a pity party for the UAW. Maybe if we can get the UAW to provide free hot dogs and soda we'll get more than a handful of people to attend.
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Posted by: euthyfro on Apr 15, 2008 12:59 PM
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Arise ye prisoners of want
For reason in revolt now thunders
And at last ends the age of cant.
Away with all your superstitions
Servile masses arise, arise
We'll change henceforth the old tradition
And spurn the dust to win the prize.
So comrades, come rally
And the last fight let us face
The Internationale unites the human race.
So comrades, come rally
And the last fight let us face
The Internationale unites the human race.
No more deluded by reaction
On tyrants only we'll make war
The soldiers too will take strike action
They'll break ranks and fight no more
And if those cannibals keep trying
To sacrifice us to their pride
They soon shall hear the bullets flying
We'll shoot the generals on our own side.
No saviour from on high delivers
No faith have we in prince or peer
Our own right hand the chains must shiver
Chains of hatred, greed and fear
E'er the thieves will out with their booty
And give to all a happier lot.
Each at the forge must do their duty
And we'll strike while the iron is hot.
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Posted by: BobS on Apr 16, 2008 6:30 AM
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"These are the times that try men's souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country; but he that stands by it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman." Thomas Paine
The words ring as true for today's class war as they did in 1776 during the darkest days of the American Revolution.
Thank you UAW Local 235.
Bob Simpson
The BobboSphere
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Posted by: sarnet on Apr 16, 2008 6:47 AM
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Workers do want to built good quality products and in many facilities in the world, Workers are given the authority to stop production of poor quality parts until the quality issue is resolved by managements. This however requires controlling managements that do not like to relinquish power to change their thinking.
Those of you that wish lower wages on the auto worker remember that the auto worker wage is the benchmark for all other wages. If you think that you won't be asked to work for 50% less in the future or reduced from $14 to the minimum wage, you have your head in the sand. Lower wages are coming for everyone. Even for CEOs. Brilliant people can be hired in India to run our companies.
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Posted by: talkville on Apr 17, 2008 2:18 AM
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It is not "class war" which describes what is going on today. All that is going on, and has been since the New Deal, is the re-assertion of class rule and the abrogation of concessions that had to be made during the last crisis in capitalism which occurred in the 1930's. Now again, at a higher financialized and more globalized level, crisis is once again evident.
There is no "war" going on, only a more transparent, bare, raw, and direct assertion of class rule: the Corporate-State in alliance with forces of the Church. Capital and Labor stand in a directly Vertical relation and not a horizontal one. That is, as always, a Power Relation. Not class war, merely a more direct and forceful application of class rule. And they learned and Profited from their experience of the New Deal. This time around, they will hold firm reins in the management of this crisis of capitalism as opposed to the one in the '30's.
And it's only just begun.
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Posted by: mmckinl on Apr 15, 2008 12:19 AM
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The threats to outsource, close plants and open non union shops are all here. How do people compete with this kind of skullduggery?
The big question is will the American Middle and Working Classes wake up before their funeral ... ?
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Posted by: Bobsays on Apr 15, 2008 3:31 AM
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The unions never get this though. They just keep trying to extort the same high wages for doing the same junky work. And then plant after plant goes out of business.
It would be like Apple forcing people to buy and use the first MacIntosh computer because it was good enough and it protected union jobs.
The best protection for American jobs and companies is innovation and moving forward. That puts pressure on salaries and makes sure there is a floor salaries will not go through. Whereas, a stagnant and protected market will in the short-term guarantee high paying jobs, but will build in decay and eventually layoffs and bankruptcy, and thus fewer jobs.
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A deal made sweeter by......NAFTA!!!
NAFTA partially created and fully supported by: HILLARY CLINTON!!!!
Hillary Clinton, of course, is fully supported by: UNIONS!!!
Wait, what??
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Posted by: richholland on Apr 15, 2008 6:37 AM
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In Europe oilcompanies HAVE to work together with government. In the Board there must be a member from the workers/tradeunion.
The problem is that workers think a billionaire is a normal thing, they donot realise it is their labor.
i.e. why american companies sell to europe bio-ethanol cheaper then we can produce ourself??
why not use it in the USA.
our government help with susidies but wants in return influence and profitshare.
as long as you have pure Capitalisme the population wlll be in trouble.
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Posted by: Illiteratilumen on Apr 15, 2008 6:43 AM
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Alternet publishes article after article that stereotype and insult people from the Midwest and South. Now they switch gears all of a sudden when they get a quote from a worker that says "class warfare". What gives?
I don't come to this site to hear how brave my fellow Midwesterners are for standing up to their employer (who can't run a decent organization). I come to this site to hear how we are all a bunch of slack-jawed troglodytes who are ruining the country with our guns and trucks and our minding our own business so I can get indignant about it and argue with uppity posters. I really feel let down here.
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Posted by: BlueBerry PickN on Apr 15, 2008 8:54 AM
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They were so freaking EAGER to be told that Mexican or Canadian unions were their ENEMY.
Humanism is greater than Nationalism...
unless you believe human rights & prosperity is a "zero-sum game"...
in that case, you're merely a thug who will eventually be crushed by bigger bastards than you are.
===
Michael Franti - Time To Go Home
...Those who build walls are pretending
That forever they can defend them
Those who dam streams can build fountains
Those of us who just let them run free
Can move mountains...
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Spirit Of The West - Loaded Minds
young boy is killed by a gun-toting driver
...caught him, shot him...
cause the kid went too far
when the mad was asked why
he replied with conviction
"i caught the young punk throwing stones at my car"
...stones at my car...
Uncle Sam's on the billboard
Stars n Stripes shining!
as I drive by he's a message for me
the sign reads "The Constant Preparation for War
this is the Preservation of Peace!"
there's a war in our streets
there's a war in our streets
and we're loading our minds
with the word self-defence
take someone's Life for
crossing over our Fence
there's a war in our streets
there's a war in our streets
and we're loading our minds
with the word self-defence
take someone's Life for crossing over our fence
that's the Freedom
tricks on his door sent an old man's heart racing
tricks on his mind broke his patience in two
he answers the door
... ! with the crack of a rifle !
paper boy dies delivering the News
...he becomes the News...
fold heroes and murders
they're condoned and condemned
they're crucified and idolized
for taking their stand
is this how we live?
all good people on guard
defending our Rights
in the home and native land
there's a war in our streets
there's a war in our streets
and we're loading our minds
with the word self-defence
take someone's Life
for crossing over our Fence
there's a war in our streets
there's a war in our streets
and we're loading our minds
with the word self-defence
take someone's life for crossing over your fence
that's Our Freedom!
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BlueBerry Pick'n
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~~~
"We, two, form a Multitude" ~ Ovid.
~~~
"Silent Freedom is Freedom Silenced"
"do no harm"
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How cute. Sorry loser, no sympathy comming from here. Living in what used to be the textile region, your plight seems pittiful. While over 300,000 jobs were being lost in the Carolina's alone, outsourced for cheaper labor, where were you? Nothing, not a word of support from the big unions, after all, UAW members are all highly skilled craftsmen, they surely wouldn't outsource those jobs. Textile workers were only the lowly end of the totem pole, let those jobs go over to those dollar a day labor markets. Let the thousands of idled workers retrain, get themselves real skills like we have. But outsourcing to cheap labor markets has a way of creeping up the food chain, white collar clerical jobs, reading x-rays, computer programming, oh no, now even UAW members. Now, suddenly, these poor souls whine for support. Where were these UAW members while all these other folks were losing their jobs? Oh yeah, I remember now, at Walmart buying those cheap Chinese goods instead of American made goods, ignoring even those with the union label inside. I remember seeing their cars in the parking lot, they were easy to spot, the Toyota's with the "Foreign Steel Steals American Jobs" bumper stickers. I'll see if I can't round up some of the 10,000 unemployed textile workers in my county to have a pity party for the UAW. Maybe if we can get the UAW to provide free hot dogs and soda we'll get more than a handful of people to attend.
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Arise ye prisoners of want
For reason in revolt now thunders
And at last ends the age of cant.
Away with all your superstitions
Servile masses arise, arise
We'll change henceforth the old tradition
And spurn the dust to win the prize.
So comrades, come rally
And the last fight let us face
The Internationale unites the human race.
So comrades, come rally
And the last fight let us face
The Internationale unites the human race.
No more deluded by reaction
On tyrants only we'll make war
The soldiers too will take strike action
They'll break ranks and fight no more
And if those cannibals keep trying
To sacrifice us to their pride
They soon shall hear the bullets flying
We'll shoot the generals on our own side.
No saviour from on high delivers
No faith have we in prince or peer
Our own right hand the chains must shiver
Chains of hatred, greed and fear
E'er the thieves will out with their booty
And give to all a happier lot.
Each at the forge must do their duty
And we'll strike while the iron is hot.
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"These are the times that try men's souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country; but he that stands by it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman." Thomas Paine
The words ring as true for today's class war as they did in 1776 during the darkest days of the American Revolution.
Thank you UAW Local 235.
Bob Simpson
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Workers do want to built good quality products and in many facilities in the world, Workers are given the authority to stop production of poor quality parts until the quality issue is resolved by managements. This however requires controlling managements that do not like to relinquish power to change their thinking.
Those of you that wish lower wages on the auto worker remember that the auto worker wage is the benchmark for all other wages. If you think that you won't be asked to work for 50% less in the future or reduced from $14 to the minimum wage, you have your head in the sand. Lower wages are coming for everyone. Even for CEOs. Brilliant people can be hired in India to run our companies.
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It is not "class war" which describes what is going on today. All that is going on, and has been since the New Deal, is the re-assertion of class rule and the abrogation of concessions that had to be made during the last crisis in capitalism which occurred in the 1930's. Now again, at a higher financialized and more globalized level, crisis is once again evident.
There is no "war" going on, only a more transparent, bare, raw, and direct assertion of class rule: the Corporate-State in alliance with forces of the Church. Capital and Labor stand in a directly Vertical relation and not a horizontal one. That is, as always, a Power Relation. Not class war, merely a more direct and forceful application of class rule. And they learned and Profited from their experience of the New Deal. This time around, they will hold firm reins in the management of this crisis of capitalism as opposed to the one in the '30's.
And it's only just begun.
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