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In other words, rewarding the criminals and screwing the victims.
That kind of behavior is only going to make the conspiracy theorists even cozier. When you already think the Fed has made a serious living from doing everything from transferring public wealth to private hands to signing off on the assassination of John F. Kennedy, you're not going to start thinking better of them when they offload billions onto Bear Stearns, which is a securities firm and not a bank at all. You're not going to get the opposition to stop parroting the usual party lines about the Fed being a privately owned bank that screws Americans by charging interest or compromises the overall interests of the United States by unconstitutionally printing up money like it was going out of style. You're only going to further invigorate them.
That, my friends, is known as reality.
Which is something the Fed doesn't seem to be connected to anymore, judging by how it has, in the words of Bloomberg's Craig Torres, "thrown out four decades of monetary history" in favor of not only bailing out obvious criminals, but also taking on their worthless debt as collateral. The move makes zero sense to anyone outside of those who understand the back channels of America's tangled financial networks, which are beginning to look more and more like Ponzi schemes by the minute. The fact that the Fed has taken on America's prodigious debt, and the already drowning Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac have loosened their capital requirements to do the same, there's nowhere to go but down, down, down for the economy, no matter how many billions of dollars -- or "liquidity" -- the Fed or their partners in crime manage to inject. In other words, to mangle Shakespeare, the Fed's recent actions are full of money and fury, signifying nothing.
"The Fed is trying to encourage more reckless borrowing and spending," argues Peter Schiff, president of Euro Pacific Capital and a longtime caller of bullshit on the irrational exuberance that debt securitization. "Obviously, its bailout of Bear Stearns creditors means that Americans are going to absorb their losses. The Fed is monetizing the mess and spreading out the losses among those who own dollars, whether in their savings or income. They're the ones being asked to shoulder the burden."
What kind of burden? It depends on who you ask. I'm not alone in arguing to anyone within earshot that the recession we're in -- and if you don't think you're in one, I'll have what you're smoking -- will rival if not outdistance the Great Depression. Others, like the Bush administration, who kick-started this recession with a program of easy money, batshit spending and rampant militarism, seem to think, as the president laughably asserted, that "our financial institutions are strong and that our capital markets are functioning efficiently and effectively." But that suspiciously rosy estimation could not be further from the truth.
"We've never had this type of this crisis before," Schiff adds by phone, on the way to a television appearance where he no doubt delivered the same doom prophecy, "and we never had this type of Fed trying to hold onto the economy. Why is it up to the Fed to stop this from happening? If recession is what we need, then postponing it won't help. We've got to restore order to the economy, and the Fed doesn't want to process that short-term pain, so its replacing the pain with one that will hurt even worse later."
"Where are we?" asks Danny Schechter, award-winning producer for CNN and ABC, graduate of the London School of Economics and the man behind the prescient debt economy documentary In Debt We Trust. "We're in a disaster zone. It's like bird flu in the financial system. Buyers overseas who bought all of these securities have found out that they've been scammed. No one knows how to value this stuff. The Fed has unsuccessfully injected hundreds of billions into the system as well as slashed rates. But it hasn't solved the problem."
Why? If the Fed is just a bunch of highly credentialed money wonks rather than the dark-hearted star chamber that conspiracy theorists make it out to be, then why wasn't it smart enough to realize that just throwing money at the wall wouldn't stick? After slashing rates down as low as 2.25 percent and handing out billions in duffel bags like Wall Street was Baghdad, how is it possible that the collective economic genius of the Fed hasn't been able to make a single noticeable dent in the oncoming depression? How could so many smart people be so stupid?
The answer is as boring as you think: greed.
"Nobody ever wants to upset the apple cart," Schiff explains. "No one wants to tell taxpayers that they've stumbled on a new get-rich-quick scheme where home ownership takes the place of hard work and savings, especially since they're making a lot of money. We've learned nothing from the past at this point. What we've done to ourselves with this attitude is create a situation where there is no way to postpone the unbearable destruction."
Yet destruction and creation come in one package. In other words, while Ma and Pa Kettle are losing equity like Britney's losing listeners, some are commanding interstellar earnings.
"If you're one of the 2 million American families losing your house this year, it's a depression," argues Greg Palast, BBC investigative journalist, author of Armed Madhouse and onetime student of neoconservative privatization guru Milton Friedman. "If you're a mortgage shark, happy days are here again. The difference between the Great Depression and this one is that, back then, everyone was in it. Now, it's a selective mangling. Exxon's profit hit $40 billion, the highest of any corporation since the pharaohs. So how can you say the economy is going down? For whom?"
Palast's point is well taken, even as it is ignored by everyone from the Bush administration to the financial (which is to say, entertainment) media and all the way to homeowners who ignorantly refinance so they can buy that new Hummer: Your life may suck ass, but others around you are sucking you dry. And most importantly, they're crushing the dollar on their way out the door to Dubai, or wherever suits hide in the New World Order's afterlife.
"Regardless of what the Fed does, the dollar is going to keep going down," Schiff agrees. "If the Fed keeps doing what it is doing, it won't make it out of this as a functioning currency."
"I'm sorry to tell you this," Palast adds, "but higher oil prices and weak dollars is not a failure of policy. That is the policy. Clinton had a strong dollar policy and Bush hated it. The weak dollar is a way to temporarily hike exports to create short-term pretend juice for the economy. But the weak dollar also made it easier for foreigners to buy up U.S. assets. The capitalists are cashing out of America. They're keeping condos in New York, Palm Beach and Malibu, but their investments are where the returns are fatter: Malaysia, China, India. A weak dollar helps the transfer of capital ownership."
And that is where this depression gets scarier than any we have survived so far, in America's comparatively short history. With the onset of global warming about to throw huge parts of the United States into environmental disarray, and melting ice about to create a gold rush of insane proportions in parts northward, America may have entered the beginning of a phase of its existence that has no parallel to any yet experienced. With the Bush administration and its friends in the energy, banking, housing, finance and real estate sectors cashing out what remains of American solvency and offloading its debt onto the public, the future has become one giant question mark. And it won't matter who takes the reins of the United States going forward if the newly crowned candidate doesn't start coming up with some serious resolutions.
We are entering uncharted territory on a variety of fronts, although the economic one is hitting most Americans where it hurts at the moment. But that throbbing pain has barely subsided behind our previous ills, from our rampant, expensive militarism in the Middle East to tornadoes or floods that seemingly come out of nowhere to destroy our cities, crops and futures. And if that doesn't scare you, I have a house I need to flip your way, no questions asked.
"No one is going to come out of this unscathed," concludes Schechter. "This is a disaster. It's a 50-state Katrina, and then some."
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Posted by: mmckinl on Apr 7, 2008 1:04 AM
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A Brief History of the Privately owned and operated Federal Reserve ...And what has happened since the privately owned and operated Federal reserve was established in 1913?
- 1914 - 1920 easy money inflation, WWI debt ...
- 1921 Severe Crash
- 1922 -1929 leveraged easy money inflation ...........
- 1929-1940.. Great Depression .... 1933 Gold bullion confiscated ...
- 1940-1962 Massive borrowing for war, WWII and Korea - Fed appeased ...
- 1963-1970 War debt paid, Fed not happy ... Kennedy tries Silver ... Viet Nam ramps up government spending ...
- 1971-1979 Nixon goes off gold, Viet Nam winds down ...The Fed allows inflaion to reach 20%!
- 1980 - 1986 Volcker raises interest rates to 20% to stem the tide of the previous Fed incompetence. Economy dives ... Reagan defense spending goes crazy,, biggest non war deficits ever.
- 1987 Greenspan causes stock market drop and lays seeds for the S&L Crisis and the bond crisis.
- 1989-1991 S&L and bond market crisis due to deregulation ...Massive Governnment bailout...
- 1991 - 1997 further deregulation even though Congress has asked the Fed, Greenspan to regulate loan underwriting ... Greenspan does nothing begins inflating again ...
- 1998 - 1999... LTCM crisis due to leverage and derivatives leads to Asian crisis and Russian default ... The Fed inflates more, deregulates more, stocks go hyperbolic.
- 2000-2003 Stock Market Crash, more Fed deregulation, Fed endorses tax cuts, lowers interest rates to 1%. Iraq War funding and Tax Cuts send budget debt and national debt hyperbolic.
- 2004-2006 Fed endorses exotic loans, refuses to regulate loan underwriting ... Derivatives markets become trillion dollar markets for the banks , the Fed declines to regulate or even offer a framework for the derivatives market ... Huge bubbles form ....
- 2007 Real Estate crash begins, Fed says everything is fine ....
- 2008 The bailout begins, hundreds of billions of tax payer dollars, loaned to first member banks then expanded illegally to nonmember broker dealers. The tax payer is on the hook for everybody now!
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Thomas Jefferson -
"I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs."
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» Uncontrolled Fractional Reserve Banking And The Fed: See "The Money Masters" Link below:
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» Testing: "1933 Gold bullion confiscated" - is that your primary concern here?
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» RE: Testing: "1933 Gold bullion confiscated" - is that your primary concern here?
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» Debunking the Federal Reserve Conspiracy Theories
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» The current crisis is not the result of crime or conspiracies. It resulted from banking deregulation
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Posted by: mmckinl on Apr 7, 2008 1:54 AM
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Just ask yourself one question: Why do we pay interest on our own money? The Constitution gives our government the right to print money, why do we have the privately owned and operated Federal Reserve lend us our own money?
Fractional Reserve Banking (Fed) creates leveraged money whereby they can leverage $1 in deposits to loan $10. So for every $1 they get the interest on $10. Nice work if you can get it. You or I loan ( deposit ) money at the bank and get 3% ( or less ) and they loan the money out at 8% and make 77% on your dollar ( 80% less your 3% )!
Why shouldn't our government be the holder of credit, benefiting the people by lowering taxes and decreasing inflation and speculation?
And remember this has nothing to do with capitalism, we would still be a capitalist economy, just without giving the bankers the right to print our money for their own benefit.
We need a Public Central Bank ...
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Posted by: EJW on Apr 7, 2008 3:00 AM
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Posted by: jwhitneywise on Apr 7, 2008 5:56 AM
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» I prefer defenestration
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Posted by: Suzon on Apr 7, 2008 6:17 AM
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About seven thousand years ago, people began to become tied to land through agriculture. As hunter-gatherers, they would have actively searched out sources of food. If animals, nuts and berries became scarce for any reason, they simply ate things that weren't as tasty or moved on.
Once we began relying upon agriculture to supply our daily bread, we became vulnerable to an early version of the Federal Reserve: landowners and their hangers-on and bully boys. If a despot was controlling your environment, you could not run away as you would have as a hunter-gatherer (see George Carlin on "stuff").
The problem that despots and bully boys have is that they, by having acquired wealth/power by murderous theft and subsequently--about 300 years ago--protected and increased their ill-gotten gains by using law, they find themselves riding a tiger.
Even kings do get imprisoned and beheaded. The rich are just as frightened as the poor (perhaps more so) but they have more resources to exploit for their own protection, not least of which is the control of legislation, or more correctly, legislators.
We can look to Ireland as a model for reform. Before the Republic was established in 1921, almost no Irish natives owned land. Today the indigenous population owns 82% of Ireland's homes and farms. The basis of home ownership is use: use of urban land for homes and the use of rural land for farms. The Irish do not pay property tax or for water and real unemployment is probably zero. (Source: Who Owns Britain by Kevin Cahill, p 186)
As I have posted before, the descendants of the supporters of the Norman-English monarchy are presently in charge. The protection of unwarranted privilege has always been a powerful influence in American history. The Federal Reserve is but one demonstration of it.
On the positive side, the Fed and money itself are under a lot of well-deserved scrutiny. Why not ask candidates for office what is it exactly that justifies home repossessions? Wouldn't it be in the public interest to protect everyone's primary residence?
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Posted by: maxpayne on Apr 7, 2008 6:41 AM
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» Most real Republicans do want to get rid of the fed.
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» Unfortunately, they don't.
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Posted by: Iconoclast421 on Apr 7, 2008 6:43 AM
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The Fed is deliberately destroying the dollar so that the rising oil price can be masked by the falling dollar. Thus, the lapdog media can avoid talking about the oil production plateau. Between the Fed's dollar policy, CO2 scaremongering, and the rag-headed boogymen in caves, it is likely that the country will be 'successfully' destroyed without the population ever knowing that it was engineered for the past 40+ years.
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» So the FED is trying to destroy the dollar so we stop using foreign oil while media scares about CO2
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Posted by: gazooks on Apr 7, 2008 7:16 AM
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"How could so many smart people be so stupid? The answer is as boring as you think: greed."
... is the easy, obvious, and practically disarming and deflecting answer used by the perps themselves. Well, gosh darn, it's just that old "greed" thing again practiced by: ( your desired scapegoat diversionary target here.)
The subtitle of this piece:
"By rewarding the criminals and screwing the victims, the Federal Reserve's behavior feeds into RUMORS and CONSPIRACY about its true function."
It simply prepares the reader to discount what should be, by virtue of the witness of FACTUAL events of the past 80 years, an all too statistically and documentable pattern of what screams systemic INTENT, PLANNING and EXECUTION by the moneyed elite.
The unwillingness of the vast majority to even entertain the crafted, seemingly contradictory reality of the persistent, official ACTIONS of CORPORATE sponsors undermining of our political and economic well being is our undoing by denial. Even in this supposed Fed critical piece is the seed of doubt sown at it's outset, despite the daily barrage of politically crippling disinformation spewed by MSM obvious to anyone who cares to THINK. The net effect is a confused submission and a resigned acquiescence by a nation of deer in the headlights of official spin, stunned and frozen in fear.
The fate of this economy is sealed in a viral-like, dilutive contagion of the ill-advised adoption of a fundamentally corrupt and exploitable monetary system of incremental thievery by the power "authority". It's a progressively spontaneous process which ends in a hyper-inflationary collapse and delivers it's victim population to the whims of it's overseers.
We are not totally powerless to mitigate the total reign and control of our economic masters when the soon to be realized end of our folly arrives. If we do not want to be at the absolute mercy of the masters, if soup lines for survival do not appeal, if self-subjection to absolute social controls is not a secret desire, then we need to destroy the mechanism which enables that control.
It's a real power that we collectively possess, and one that many here and abroad already are wisely employing. It is a material vote for independence from the friends of the Fed and their insidious usurpation, an incremental but actual blow against the empire that subjugates through fear, repression and brutal violence. And it buys precious time and necessities during the approaching period of transitional turmoil. While the historically circumstantial causation of the inflationary spiral that we're now in is substantially different than that of Weimar, it's effect's on citizen wealth will not be.
Take whatever portion of your income that you can, and convert failing fiat dollars into 90% pre-1964 US silver coinage. It's an act that comes with historic precedence of viability. John Kennedy may very well have paid with his life for his executive order #1110. An act intended to protect American citizens from a devastating monetary debasement. (see link)
http://www.rense.com/general44/exec.htm
We are paying now, and will all inevitably pay a very steep price for our ignorance and political acquiescence to the official line. This is one very real and practical way to mitigate that penalty for ourselves and our families in the very near future. It is investing in the power to insist that we get it right in the next economic incarnation.
It is an act of revolution.
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Posted by: Southern Gal on Apr 7, 2008 8:15 AM
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Posted by: kogwonton on Apr 7, 2008 8:45 AM
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Then one day we wake up to find that Congress now has to BORROW money from the Federal Reserve, at interest. The FED then inflates the currency (taxing WE THE PEOPLE by devaluing our currency) and issues a check that WE THE PEOPLE have to repay at interest. Since every dollar in circulation is printed with a debt attached to it, we have a system of perpetual debt to a very ambiguous entity. I would certainly like to know who we owe the interest on the public debt to. Is this a private entity contracted by the U.S. Government to perform the public service of printing our money and keeping the nation economically stable? I think most people are operating on the assumption that currency is under the rule of the democratic process.
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Posted by: Trazom on Apr 7, 2008 9:54 AM
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Posted by: cbishopp on Apr 7, 2008 9:54 AM
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Bill Gates and Warren Buffet are NOT the wealthiest men on the world, that is absurd. You don't hear the names of the wealthiest people in the world as they know better.
The Rothschild family is said to own 50% of the worlds wealth. They have controlling interest in the Bank of London, The USB, and the Federal Reserve. Recenly I read that they are consolidating assets in their Paris branch with a company in 2007 called Concordia which will unify family shareholdings. They are not the only great economic family, the Rockefellers, The Warburgs, The Schiff family (just to name a few) all have had made great fortunes from loaning governments huge sums of money to make war. The benefit of loaning governments money is that the taxpayers are libel for the debt.
Where does the money for Iraq come from?? Where did it go?
David Rockefellar and his cronies are not only wealthy men but men concerned with social order. They have enough wealth and power to feel justified in deciding how the masses should be controlled. Keep us busy, give us religion, TV, a constant debt, limited healthcare and a mediocre wage and you won't hear us complain. We won't have the time. Those who have challenged fiscal policy in the past have paid dearly.
When you consider what most people call "conspiracy" please consider the very basic factor of motive.
There is much to gain in the control of the worlds resources and the creation of money. If you were such a priveledged individual you might even say that to reduce the population would be beneficial to your goal of ownership.
In other words, what most people don't seem to realize is that their demise is profitable.
There is money to be made by destroying this economy, starving a population, building weapons of mass destruction, and making war.
The political back drop is not the objective and nothing on a global scale happens by accident.
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» Debunking the Federal Reserve Conspiracy Theories
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» RE: so who does own the Fed? That's more interesting and to the point than
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» You are quite wrong on that point. Here is how Fed ownership is structured.
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» You have backtracked quite a bit from you original assertion...
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» Sounds like a CARTEL to me
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» So if the gummint isn't a reliable source why are a hoard of uneducated crackers reliable
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Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Apr 7, 2008 12:51 PM
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Here Roosevelt is stumping on the campaign trail, discussing the reasons behind one of the great scandals of the day:
Quote (1932):
"The investing public did not realize then, as it does now, that the methods used in building up these holding companies were wholly contrary to every sound public policy.
They did not realize that there had been arbitrary write-ups of assets and inflation of vast capital accounts. They did not realize that excessive prices had been paid for property acquired. They did not realize that the expense of financing had been capitalized. They did not realize that payments of dividends had been made out of capital. They did not realize that sound subsidiaries had been milked and milked to keep alive the weaker sisters in the great chain. They did not realize that there had been borrowings and [endings, an interchange of assets, of liabilities and of capital between the component parts of the whole. They did not realize that all these conditions necessitated terrific overcharges for services by these corporations.
The Insull failure has done more to open the eyes of the American public to the truth than anything that has happened. It shows us that the development of these financial monstrosities was such as to compel inevitable and ultimate ruin; that practices had been indulged in that suggest the old days of railroad wild-catting; that private manipulation had outsmarted the slow-moving power of Government.
As always, the public paid and paid dearly. As always, the public is beginning to understand the need for reform after the same public has been fleeced out of millions of dollars.
I have spoken on several occasions of a "new deal" for the American people. I believe that the "new deal," as you and I know it, can be applied to a whole lot of things."
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Posted by: fanny666 on Apr 7, 2008 12:56 PM
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LOVE IS THE ONLY WAY FORWARD EXCEPT ALSO TRUTH IS PRETTY IMPORTANT ALSO
TERRORIST
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» THE ONION is a deliberate spoof. It makes light of current news.
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Posted by: meetmeineleusis on Apr 7, 2008 5:28 PM
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To disagree is to be as loony as that ron paul guy.
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Posted by: HeKnew on Apr 7, 2008 5:46 PM
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Posted by: HeKnew on Apr 7, 2008 7:58 PM
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Direct Democracy
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Posted by: williameon on Apr 8, 2008 4:05 AM
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Poverty
War
Bushanomics!
Assassin
Banker
Prelude
The Armageddon Show
The Grand Delusion!
Blatant Fascism
In your face
BU__! SH__!
All for me and
None for you.
The Gestapo Media Marches
Across the Country
Goose Stepping
From Sea to polluted Sea
Kicking their heels high
Into America's
Ass!
Some Conspiracy?
It’s
Blatant in your face
FASCISM!
Da!
Yada, Yada, Yada!
They are running
The biggest
Con Game going!
The Selection Con!
The Spying Con!
The 911 Con!
The WAR Con!
The Torture Con!
The Oil Con!
The Media Con!
The Katrina Con!
The Banking Con!
The Schlock Market Con!
Welcome to The Casino
Ameri-KaKa style!
Where the People run
The Gauntlet and
Play Russian Roulette.
Going to work.
Freedom is
Water boarding!
How absurd?
Add your own!
It’s a never ending List:
The Horrors of America.
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Posted by: cbishopp on Apr 8, 2008 11:18 AM
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Look up "colonial script" or the opinions of Benjamin Franklin, James Madison, and Thomas Jefferson about the role of Central Banks.
Study Andrew Jackson and the efforts he put forth to curtail the domination of a central bank before his attempted assassination.
Please take the time to read up on the Civil War, it's causes and international implications include many factors beyond slavery. Lincoln attempted to shift the government's role in printing money. His "greenbacks" were pulled from circulation upon his death.
John F. Kennedy printed currency based on silver and backed by the full faith and credit of the United States government. Pre 1963 silver coins are scarce and becoming more valuable every day.
Look into the connection between the men who selected Woodrow Wilson for office and his statements about the Federal Reserve since he approved the bill.
Read up on J.P. Morgan, how he built the railroads with capital provided by the Rothschild family and that upon his death he actually owned less than 20% of his empire.
Study the history of money. Where it comes from and who determines it's value will be of great interest.
Please refresh your memory about the Battle of Waterloo and the taking over of the London stock market by Nathanial Rothschild after floating erroneous information describing Napoleon's victory. Study what the Koran and the Bible say about usury and it's moral implications.
Those who associate this issue just with Ron Paul have no understanding of the history of this nation and the implications of providing the Federal Reserve with greater powers.
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Posted by: sivere on Apr 8, 2008 7:54 PM
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1. The investment bankers and others created a $516 trillion+ derivatives bubble;
2. In 2005-2007 and likely earlier, they needed more paper to keep it inflated;
3. They screamed for more paper, any paper, and the mortgage dealers supplied it- any way they could. and the investment bankers took it, securitized it and put it into their sivs, cdos, etc. "Thus the subprime crisis."
4. All through this the Fed permitted, coddled and even supported this;
The Fed needs to be fully nationalized and put under Congress. We the taxpayer are going to pay no matter what happens, so we have the responsibility. We should also exercise our Constitutional authority (through our representatives):
Take Back The Fed
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Posted by: amacd on Apr 9, 2008 12:14 PM
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If my suspicion is true, the FED doesn’t have, and can’t even get the Treasury to print, enough money to bail-out the massive hedge industry ---- which several financial analysts suggest will have over a 50% failure rate over the next year.
As a sailor, this is like having a large hull puncture that your bilge pump can’t pump-out fast enough. Bigger pumps dropped from ‘helicopter’ Ben can’t help unless the US wants its currency to quickly look like Zimbabwe’s.
At least FOX should be happy that the ‘corporatist Empire’ hiding behind this façade of ‘Vichy’ American faux-government is being ‘fair and balanced’ in spending the peoples’ taxes ---- in that only $3 Billion dollars per week is being spent for the ‘oil faction’ of the corporatist Empire in its Iraq oil-war, and now that $38 B per week being given by the FED (through its new IBTW – Investment Bank Thievery Window) to the ‘financial faction’ of the empire on Wall Street.
At this improved rate of ‘fair and balanced’ corporate welfare to the ‘financial faction’ of the empire it should equitably catch up with the ‘oil faction’ of the empire ----- with both the oil and financial factions coming up to an equal $1 Trillion of corporate looting of taxpayer dollars ---- by the time that the current faux Emperor retires and the next, ‘opposition party’ (sic), corporatist Emperor is installed in 2009.
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Posted by: vzn on Apr 9, 2008 8:15 PM
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and guess what-- its not a conspiracy theory.
all the gory details, read this if you have the nerve
"fractional reserve banking as economic parasitism"
endorsed by two phd economists. printed in nexus
magazine, 60k world circulation. #1 top downloaded
economics paper. used by economics
teacher in australia as standard classroom material.
more info on request.
recent supporting material:
The Shock Doctrine: Naomi Klein on the Rise of Disaster Capitalism
Confessions of an Economic Hit Man: How the U.S. Uses Globalization to Cheat Poor Countries Out of Trillions
John Perkins on "The Secret History of the American Empire: Economic Hit Men, Jackals, and the Truth about Global Corruption"
Video, senator/pres candidate Dennis Kucinich at last years 2005 Monetary Reform Conference
money as debt video by Grignon
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Posted by: mmckinl on Apr 7, 2008 1:04 AM
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A Brief History of the Privately owned and operated Federal Reserve ...And what has happened since the privately owned and operated Federal reserve was established in 1913?
- 1914 - 1920 easy money inflation, WWI debt ...
- 1921 Severe Crash
- 1922 -1929 leveraged easy money inflation ...........
- 1929-1940.. Great Depression .... 1933 Gold bullion confiscated ...
- 1940-1962 Massive borrowing for war, WWII and Korea - Fed appeased ...
- 1963-1970 War debt paid, Fed not happy ... Kennedy tries Silver ... Viet Nam ramps up government spending ...
- 1971-1979 Nixon goes off gold, Viet Nam winds down ...The Fed allows inflaion to reach 20%!
- 1980 - 1986 Volcker raises interest rates to 20% to stem the tide of the previous Fed incompetence. Economy dives ... Reagan defense spending goes crazy,, biggest non war deficits ever.
- 1987 Greenspan causes stock market drop and lays seeds for the S&L Crisis and the bond crisis.
- 1989-1991 S&L and bond market crisis due to deregulation ...Massive Governnment bailout...
- 1991 - 1997 further deregulation even though Congress has asked the Fed, Greenspan to regulate loan underwriting ... Greenspan does nothing begins inflating again ...
- 1998 - 1999... LTCM crisis due to leverage and derivatives leads to Asian crisis and Russian default ... The Fed inflates more, deregulates more, stocks go hyperbolic.
- 2000-2003 Stock Market Crash, more Fed deregulation, Fed endorses tax cuts, lowers interest rates to 1%. Iraq War funding and Tax Cuts send budget debt and national debt hyperbolic.
- 2004-2006 Fed endorses exotic loans, refuses to regulate loan underwriting ... Derivatives markets become trillion dollar markets for the banks , the Fed declines to regulate or even offer a framework for the derivatives market ... Huge bubbles form ....
- 2007 Real Estate crash begins, Fed says everything is fine ....
- 2008 The bailout begins, hundreds of billions of tax payer dollars, loaned to first member banks then expanded illegally to nonmember broker dealers. The tax payer is on the hook for everybody now!
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Thomas Jefferson -
"I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs."
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» Testing: "1933 Gold bullion confiscated" - is that your primary concern here?
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» The current crisis is not the result of crime or conspiracies. It resulted from banking deregulation
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Posted by: mmckinl on Apr 7, 2008 1:54 AM
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Just ask yourself one question: Why do we pay interest on our own money? The Constitution gives our government the right to print money, why do we have the privately owned and operated Federal Reserve lend us our own money?
Fractional Reserve Banking (Fed) creates leveraged money whereby they can leverage $1 in deposits to loan $10. So for every $1 they get the interest on $10. Nice work if you can get it. You or I loan ( deposit ) money at the bank and get 3% ( or less ) and they loan the money out at 8% and make 77% on your dollar ( 80% less your 3% )!
Why shouldn't our government be the holder of credit, benefiting the people by lowering taxes and decreasing inflation and speculation?
And remember this has nothing to do with capitalism, we would still be a capitalist economy, just without giving the bankers the right to print our money for their own benefit.
We need a Public Central Bank ...
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Posted by: jwhitneywise on Apr 7, 2008 5:56 AM
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Posted by: Suzon on Apr 7, 2008 6:17 AM
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About seven thousand years ago, people began to become tied to land through agriculture. As hunter-gatherers, they would have actively searched out sources of food. If animals, nuts and berries became scarce for any reason, they simply ate things that weren't as tasty or moved on.
Once we began relying upon agriculture to supply our daily bread, we became vulnerable to an early version of the Federal Reserve: landowners and their hangers-on and bully boys. If a despot was controlling your environment, you could not run away as you would have as a hunter-gatherer (see George Carlin on "stuff").
The problem that despots and bully boys have is that they, by having acquired wealth/power by murderous theft and subsequently--about 300 years ago--protected and increased their ill-gotten gains by using law, they find themselves riding a tiger.
Even kings do get imprisoned and beheaded. The rich are just as frightened as the poor (perhaps more so) but they have more resources to exploit for their own protection, not least of which is the control of legislation, or more correctly, legislators.
We can look to Ireland as a model for reform. Before the Republic was established in 1921, almost no Irish natives owned land. Today the indigenous population owns 82% of Ireland's homes and farms. The basis of home ownership is use: use of urban land for homes and the use of rural land for farms. The Irish do not pay property tax or for water and real unemployment is probably zero. (Source: Who Owns Britain by Kevin Cahill, p 186)
As I have posted before, the descendants of the supporters of the Norman-English monarchy are presently in charge. The protection of unwarranted privilege has always been a powerful influence in American history. The Federal Reserve is but one demonstration of it.
On the positive side, the Fed and money itself are under a lot of well-deserved scrutiny. Why not ask candidates for office what is it exactly that justifies home repossessions? Wouldn't it be in the public interest to protect everyone's primary residence?
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» Most real Republicans do want to get rid of the fed.
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Posted by: Iconoclast421 on Apr 7, 2008 6:43 AM
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The Fed is deliberately destroying the dollar so that the rising oil price can be masked by the falling dollar. Thus, the lapdog media can avoid talking about the oil production plateau. Between the Fed's dollar policy, CO2 scaremongering, and the rag-headed boogymen in caves, it is likely that the country will be 'successfully' destroyed without the population ever knowing that it was engineered for the past 40+ years.
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Posted by: gazooks on Apr 7, 2008 7:16 AM
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"How could so many smart people be so stupid? The answer is as boring as you think: greed."
... is the easy, obvious, and practically disarming and deflecting answer used by the perps themselves. Well, gosh darn, it's just that old "greed" thing again practiced by: ( your desired scapegoat diversionary target here.)
The subtitle of this piece:
"By rewarding the criminals and screwing the victims, the Federal Reserve's behavior feeds into RUMORS and CONSPIRACY about its true function."
It simply prepares the reader to discount what should be, by virtue of the witness of FACTUAL events of the past 80 years, an all too statistically and documentable pattern of what screams systemic INTENT, PLANNING and EXECUTION by the moneyed elite.
The unwillingness of the vast majority to even entertain the crafted, seemingly contradictory reality of the persistent, official ACTIONS of CORPORATE sponsors undermining of our political and economic well being is our undoing by denial. Even in this supposed Fed critical piece is the seed of doubt sown at it's outset, despite the daily barrage of politically crippling disinformation spewed by MSM obvious to anyone who cares to THINK. The net effect is a confused submission and a resigned acquiescence by a nation of deer in the headlights of official spin, stunned and frozen in fear.
The fate of this economy is sealed in a viral-like, dilutive contagion of the ill-advised adoption of a fundamentally corrupt and exploitable monetary system of incremental thievery by the power "authority". It's a progressively spontaneous process which ends in a hyper-inflationary collapse and delivers it's victim population to the whims of it's overseers.
We are not totally powerless to mitigate the total reign and control of our economic masters when the soon to be realized end of our folly arrives. If we do not want to be at the absolute mercy of the masters, if soup lines for survival do not appeal, if self-subjection to absolute social controls is not a secret desire, then we need to destroy the mechanism which enables that control.
It's a real power that we collectively possess, and one that many here and abroad already are wisely employing. It is a material vote for independence from the friends of the Fed and their insidious usurpation, an incremental but actual blow against the empire that subjugates through fear, repression and brutal violence. And it buys precious time and necessities during the approaching period of transitional turmoil. While the historically circumstantial causation of the inflationary spiral that we're now in is substantially different than that of Weimar, it's effect's on citizen wealth will not be.
Take whatever portion of your income that you can, and convert failing fiat dollars into 90% pre-1964 US silver coinage. It's an act that comes with historic precedence of viability. John Kennedy may very well have paid with his life for his executive order #1110. An act intended to protect American citizens from a devastating monetary debasement. (see link)
http://www.rense.com/general44/exec.htm
We are paying now, and will all inevitably pay a very steep price for our ignorance and political acquiescence to the official line. This is one very real and practical way to mitigate that penalty for ourselves and our families in the very near future. It is investing in the power to insist that we get it right in the next economic incarnation.
It is an act of revolution.
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Posted by: kogwonton on Apr 7, 2008 8:45 AM
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Then one day we wake up to find that Congress now has to BORROW money from the Federal Reserve, at interest. The FED then inflates the currency (taxing WE THE PEOPLE by devaluing our currency) and issues a check that WE THE PEOPLE have to repay at interest. Since every dollar in circulation is printed with a debt attached to it, we have a system of perpetual debt to a very ambiguous entity. I would certainly like to know who we owe the interest on the public debt to. Is this a private entity contracted by the U.S. Government to perform the public service of printing our money and keeping the nation economically stable? I think most people are operating on the assumption that currency is under the rule of the democratic process.
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Posted by: Trazom on Apr 7, 2008 9:54 AM
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Posted by: cbishopp on Apr 7, 2008 9:54 AM
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Bill Gates and Warren Buffet are NOT the wealthiest men on the world, that is absurd. You don't hear the names of the wealthiest people in the world as they know better.
The Rothschild family is said to own 50% of the worlds wealth. They have controlling interest in the Bank of London, The USB, and the Federal Reserve. Recenly I read that they are consolidating assets in their Paris branch with a company in 2007 called Concordia which will unify family shareholdings. They are not the only great economic family, the Rockefellers, The Warburgs, The Schiff family (just to name a few) all have had made great fortunes from loaning governments huge sums of money to make war. The benefit of loaning governments money is that the taxpayers are libel for the debt.
Where does the money for Iraq come from?? Where did it go?
David Rockefellar and his cronies are not only wealthy men but men concerned with social order. They have enough wealth and power to feel justified in deciding how the masses should be controlled. Keep us busy, give us religion, TV, a constant debt, limited healthcare and a mediocre wage and you won't hear us complain. We won't have the time. Those who have challenged fiscal policy in the past have paid dearly.
When you consider what most people call "conspiracy" please consider the very basic factor of motive.
There is much to gain in the control of the worlds resources and the creation of money. If you were such a priveledged individual you might even say that to reduce the population would be beneficial to your goal of ownership.
In other words, what most people don't seem to realize is that their demise is profitable.
There is money to be made by destroying this economy, starving a population, building weapons of mass destruction, and making war.
The political back drop is not the objective and nothing on a global scale happens by accident.
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» You are quite wrong on that point. Here is how Fed ownership is structured.
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» You have backtracked quite a bit from you original assertion...
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» So if the gummint isn't a reliable source why are a hoard of uneducated crackers reliable
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Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Apr 7, 2008 12:51 PM
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Here Roosevelt is stumping on the campaign trail, discussing the reasons behind one of the great scandals of the day:
Quote (1932):
"The investing public did not realize then, as it does now, that the methods used in building up these holding companies were wholly contrary to every sound public policy.
They did not realize that there had been arbitrary write-ups of assets and inflation of vast capital accounts. They did not realize that excessive prices had been paid for property acquired. They did not realize that the expense of financing had been capitalized. They did not realize that payments of dividends had been made out of capital. They did not realize that sound subsidiaries had been milked and milked to keep alive the weaker sisters in the great chain. They did not realize that there had been borrowings and [endings, an interchange of assets, of liabilities and of capital between the component parts of the whole. They did not realize that all these conditions necessitated terrific overcharges for services by these corporations.
The Insull failure has done more to open the eyes of the American public to the truth than anything that has happened. It shows us that the development of these financial monstrosities was such as to compel inevitable and ultimate ruin; that practices had been indulged in that suggest the old days of railroad wild-catting; that private manipulation had outsmarted the slow-moving power of Government.
As always, the public paid and paid dearly. As always, the public is beginning to understand the need for reform after the same public has been fleeced out of millions of dollars.
I have spoken on several occasions of a "new deal" for the American people. I believe that the "new deal," as you and I know it, can be applied to a whole lot of things."
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Posted by: fanny666 on Apr 7, 2008 12:56 PM
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LOVE IS THE ONLY WAY FORWARD EXCEPT ALSO TRUTH IS PRETTY IMPORTANT ALSO
TERRORIST
HE KNEW
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Posted by: meetmeineleusis on Apr 7, 2008 5:28 PM
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To disagree is to be as loony as that ron paul guy.
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Posted by: HeKnew on Apr 7, 2008 7:58 PM
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Direct Democracy
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Posted by: williameon on Apr 8, 2008 4:05 AM
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Poverty
War
Bushanomics!
Assassin
Banker
Prelude
The Armageddon Show
The Grand Delusion!
Blatant Fascism
In your face
BU__! SH__!
All for me and
None for you.
The Gestapo Media Marches
Across the Country
Goose Stepping
From Sea to polluted Sea
Kicking their heels high
Into America's
Ass!
Some Conspiracy?
It’s
Blatant in your face
FASCISM!
Da!
Yada, Yada, Yada!
They are running
The biggest
Con Game going!
The Selection Con!
The Spying Con!
The 911 Con!
The WAR Con!
The Torture Con!
The Oil Con!
The Media Con!
The Katrina Con!
The Banking Con!
The Schlock Market Con!
Welcome to The Casino
Ameri-KaKa style!
Where the People run
The Gauntlet and
Play Russian Roulette.
Going to work.
Freedom is
Water boarding!
How absurd?
Add your own!
It’s a never ending List:
The Horrors of America.
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Posted by: cbishopp on Apr 8, 2008 11:18 AM
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Look up "colonial script" or the opinions of Benjamin Franklin, James Madison, and Thomas Jefferson about the role of Central Banks.
Study Andrew Jackson and the efforts he put forth to curtail the domination of a central bank before his attempted assassination.
Please take the time to read up on the Civil War, it's causes and international implications include many factors beyond slavery. Lincoln attempted to shift the government's role in printing money. His "greenbacks" were pulled from circulation upon his death.
John F. Kennedy printed currency based on silver and backed by the full faith and credit of the United States government. Pre 1963 silver coins are scarce and becoming more valuable every day.
Look into the connection between the men who selected Woodrow Wilson for office and his statements about the Federal Reserve since he approved the bill.
Read up on J.P. Morgan, how he built the railroads with capital provided by the Rothschild family and that upon his death he actually owned less than 20% of his empire.
Study the history of money. Where it comes from and who determines it's value will be of great interest.
Please refresh your memory about the Battle of Waterloo and the taking over of the London stock market by Nathanial Rothschild after floating erroneous information describing Napoleon's victory. Study what the Koran and the Bible say about usury and it's moral implications.
Those who associate this issue just with Ron Paul have no understanding of the history of this nation and the implications of providing the Federal Reserve with greater powers.
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Posted by: sivere on Apr 8, 2008 7:54 PM
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1. The investment bankers and others created a $516 trillion+ derivatives bubble;
2. In 2005-2007 and likely earlier, they needed more paper to keep it inflated;
3. They screamed for more paper, any paper, and the mortgage dealers supplied it- any way they could. and the investment bankers took it, securitized it and put it into their sivs, cdos, etc. "Thus the subprime crisis."
4. All through this the Fed permitted, coddled and even supported this;
The Fed needs to be fully nationalized and put under Congress. We the taxpayer are going to pay no matter what happens, so we have the responsibility. We should also exercise our Constitutional authority (through our representatives):
Take Back The Fed
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Posted by: amacd on Apr 9, 2008 12:14 PM
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If my suspicion is true, the FED doesn’t have, and can’t even get the Treasury to print, enough money to bail-out the massive hedge industry ---- which several financial analysts suggest will have over a 50% failure rate over the next year.
As a sailor, this is like having a large hull puncture that your bilge pump can’t pump-out fast enough. Bigger pumps dropped from ‘helicopter’ Ben can’t help unless the US wants its currency to quickly look like Zimbabwe’s.
At least FOX should be happy that the ‘corporatist Empire’ hiding behind this façade of ‘Vichy’ American faux-government is being ‘fair and balanced’ in spending the peoples’ taxes ---- in that only $3 Billion dollars per week is being spent for the ‘oil faction’ of the corporatist Empire in its Iraq oil-war, and now that $38 B per week being given by the FED (through its new IBTW – Investment Bank Thievery Window) to the ‘financial faction’ of the empire on Wall Street.
At this improved rate of ‘fair and balanced’ corporate welfare to the ‘financial faction’ of the empire it should equitably catch up with the ‘oil faction’ of the empire ----- with both the oil and financial factions coming up to an equal $1 Trillion of corporate looting of taxpayer dollars ---- by the time that the current faux Emperor retires and the next, ‘opposition party’ (sic), corporatist Emperor is installed in 2009.
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Posted by: vzn on Apr 9, 2008 8:15 PM
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and guess what-- its not a conspiracy theory.
all the gory details, read this if you have the nerve
"fractional reserve banking as economic parasitism"
endorsed by two phd economists. printed in nexus
magazine, 60k world circulation. #1 top downloaded
economics paper. used by economics
teacher in australia as standard classroom material.
more info on request.
recent supporting material:
The Shock Doctrine: Naomi Klein on the Rise of Disaster Capitalism
Confessions of an Economic Hit Man: How the U.S. Uses Globalization to Cheat Poor Countries Out of Trillions
John Perkins on "The Secret History of the American Empire: Economic Hit Men, Jackals, and the Truth about Global Corruption"
Video, senator/pres candidate Dennis Kucinich at last years 2005 Monetary Reform Conference
money as debt video by Grignon
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